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[tothyotzobagh]

MUZICA ROMANILOR DIN SERBIA DE EST ! IN ZONA TIMOCULUI S-A VORBIT ROMANESTE INAINTE DE COUPAREA DACIEI DE CATRE TRAIAN !

PS: PUNCTUM!

[Djansr33]

Im sorry but Jovan Paunovic is not Romanian, he is Serb, im from est Serbia my language is serbian and romanian, but we are not romans, we have sebian culture, we have serbian names, we are serbian citizen`s, and we love are country.I`m sorry but we are not romanians, we are VLACH`S and we are part of serbian people ;)

[AndreiM999]

@Djansr33 Yes,he is serbian citizen.Try to discern my words. All romans descendents from Balkan.. of vulgar latin language are "romanians". All of them speak/ or spoke till asimilation the same language.. "romanian" not a latin relative language (like italian,rhaeto-roman,sard,fren­ch,etc). Nobody said they are romanians from present Romania. All of them (vlachs,vlas,olahs,olas,blaxoi­,..)from Greece to Ukraine are simply romanians, descendents of romans. I know you could learn a different history

[AndreiM999]

@AndreiM999 5- WALLAHOLZ ? Do you talk about the "VALACH" ethymology? I know the theories but this doesn't change anything. All romanians were called "Vlach" during the history and some of them still they are called like this. This is an EXONYM, a name wich foreigners use it. You said "are'u a vlach?" and a vlach answer (few exceptions) "yes, I'm ruman" same as you ask a german:"are'u a german?" and the answer may be" Yes,I'm deutsch".. or alemand/deutsch, holand/dutch,. Is it clear for you?

[OrdoBalcanumMinorum]

@Djansr33 To su gluposti, to možeš da kažeš u svoje ime ali ima ans barem još toliko Vlaha koji ne mislimo tako! Vlasi i Srbi imaju samo jednu jedinu zajedničku osobino, oba naroda su pravoslavni, svaka druga sličnost je izmišljena, a različitosti se vide iz "aviona" Srbi su sloveni, a Vlasi su romani.

[OrdoBalcanumMinorum]

@Djansr33 it's nonsense, that you can say in their own name but at least we have so many Vlachs who do not think so! Vlachs and Serbs have only a single common characteristic, both people are Orthodox, any other similarity between the fictional and the differences can be seen from the "aircraft"

serbs are Slavs, Valah are romans

[Durepanya]

@OrdoBalcanumMinorum Hundred of thousands romanians are now serbians just because after the fall of Ottoman Empire they started beeing forced to be assimilated by serbs by closing they're schools and cutting of the acces at studies in they're native language. In my oppinion is time to end the crap with "orthodox brothers" and have some national pride and do something for the romanians! I think we are weak to let others mocking us and that's enough.

[OrdoBalcanumMinorum]

@Durepanya I agree I am romanian who think thet

[mladen603]

@Durepanya if you are not happy here in Serbia why dont you go to Romania or even better you can start a war and push all the serbs out from Timok regia. but my question for you is why you hate Serbs so much? what is the problem with you people?

[Durepanya]

@mladen603 That's the problem, everybody consider romanians as "land-stealers". But we don't wan't to take parts of any neighbours, we just wan't to be treated as we treat national minorities here in Romania. that's why I`m a bit angry, because nobody returns us the respect. In Romania every nationalities has the right to construct they're own schools, they're own churches or whatever religion they have, they're own TV.

[Durepanya]

@Durepanya Not to mention that they even make part of the government! that's a great example for entire Europe. They even can speak in they're native language in parliament. And believe me, i`m not a simpatizant for the political class of actual Romania!

[Durepanya]

And you know what's the irony? We have a saying in Romania: "Romania have only 2 friends: Serbia and Black Sea"

[Tao1519]

@Durepanya Interesting. We say that "We have only us." in Hungary.

But I do not know, why does whole europe hate us.

[geobranzei]

Romanians don't hate Serbians. We've always considered Serbians friends. But we don't understand why you don't treat Romanians from Voivodina and Timoc the same way we treat Serbians in Romania. Look what happened to Yugoslavia because of some crazy politicians and army people. Isn't enough your beautiful country has been split in six republics? Isn't enough you've almost lost Kosovo? Man, leave in peace, make friends and enjoy this life. God bless you and Serbian people!

[Durepanya]

@Djansr33 Yes yes, you vlachs are now part of serbian peoples because you had no alternatives but let's be honest, you make part from a higher people:) The "giant"neighbour from North-East. ;)

[mladen603]

@Durepanya in 1939 Adolf Hitler called his people higher like you are doing now..... interesting ... tou probably dont know how mr Hitler ended and many German people who thinked they were the master race.... thik up....

[Durepanya]

@mladen603 Adolf Hitler? Wow, I think that's why my account was suspended for a while..

When i said "higher people" that means a larger nation, not a master race. I'm not nazy, I hate racism and discrimination and I have respect for everybody. I tried to be objective and that doesn't means I don't apreciate the cultural heritage of serbians!

[MrGoranDjordjevic]

Cand stii ce simti, stii ce vrei.

Svaka cast Jovanu Paunovicu, najezio sam se..

predivna rumunska melodija iz Srbije...

[mirabela881]

jghh

[bagpipelurch]

Hello, I have a question.

Have got this pipe a flea-hole (like bulgarian, macedonian, rodopian, or hungarian bagpipes), or only a small septime-hole?

[voanirges]

I have never heard that Romanian names were forbiden , realy maybe I wrong but that sounds imposible to me, there are many Serbs nowadays that have Romanian names, or slavicized Roman names.About Spartak, Ilirians were people, Thracians are just one tribe of Ilirian people, as Dacian,Moesians.Thrace is one part of Iliria in soutwestern Romania,northern Bulgaria and southeastern Serbia,I live in Thrace(Thracia).If his name was Spartacus, he was Roman,cause it's Roman name,but he was enemy of Rome

[AndreiM999]

It is not your theory . It is a wellknown thing. Yes, he was thracian from Illiria as latin historian told us. No.. Illirians seamed they were a part of thracian people ..same as Dacians-Getaes,Boiis,Triballli­s,Carpians,...and more than 100 tribes . Ancient Thracia region as we know it today is in S Bulgaria-N Greece an it become wellknown with this name becouse it entered under greek influence.. and received information about it by ancient greek sources

[catalin112233]

yes,yes, yes, yes, yes!!! serbs forbide rumanians to give rumanian names; it is forbiden to speak romanian in churches, the priests are majoritar serbs, and, if one would dare to give to his child a rumanian name, the priest would menance him he will not baptise the child. check it!

[voanirges]

You are prooving my theory, Spartak or Spartacus how you call him, wasn't Roman, he was Thracian,so Spartacus isn't his name because it is Roman man name,it isn't thracian name, it is latinized name for Spartak.You said that historical sources came from latin and because sufix US, but exactly that is proof that Spartacus is latinized name for Spartak because Spartak was Ilirian not Latin.Names ending with US are not Ilirian, we know for some Ilirian names and no one ends with US

[voanirges]

Is it posible btw that so big nation, as Romanian(the biggest on Balkan) don't know what language there origins spoke before Romanian.I am very interested to findout what language Romanians spoke before Roman Empire occupation, and Romanization of their original language,that is one of the biggest mistery for me.Salut,I will not discuss any more about this, I am backing to listening good music.Best regards

[Cabirul]

Actually, there is no mistery. Modern Romanian is the natural evolution of Geto-Dacian. According to recent studies, the core lexicon (5000+ basic words) come directly from Dacian.

[voanirges]

Yes I know it is very specific language , I know French but Romanian although belongs to Roman group of language it is very specific

[sorin1918]

Să înțeleg că ai citit dicționarul etimologic scris de Vinereanu!?

[voanirges]

By the way , this is old channel, now I have 27 years,I have master degree of science in electronics, and I am not a child.I am not trying to steal someone's history, like Albanians who are stealing history of my people, all I said is a theory, but ,again about names.Could you imagine Roman Empire existing today.How would Romans call Novak Djokovic for example,Novacus,am I right?As Romanians have there Slavicized names , so Slavs have Romanized names,but that is naturaly

[sorin1918]

the roman empire is forming again..what do you think UE stands for? and the name could be Novus Dacus :)))

[voanirges]

Roman Empire was our enemy, enemy of Serbs and of Dacians too,many years took a war between Dacians and Romans when Dacians lost when Trayan was emperor,so I don't like this new Roman empire

[voanirges]

I know that is popular nowadays to speak some bad and awful things about Serbs, because we are ugly,awful,war crimers,monstrums,killers, and all bad things on the world belongs to Serbs, but we consider Romanians as our brothers and because of truth I have to say that is complete nonsense that Romanian names were forbiden.Maybe in places were Serbs are mayority Romanian names were modified,'cause Serbs cannot speak some Romanian words easily,but to forbid names,that is imposible.

[AndreiM999]

Same as in Bulgaria, romanian names were slavicized .. by sufix OVIC (OV in Bg). This is a way to assimilate a population, ..their identity_ Nobody think at serbians as at . murderers..etc. Propaganda do it. It,s a mistake to accuse a people ..to generalized an accusation. Their leaders could be guilty not a people _Brotherhood between people is an politic-propaganda concept , not a real one...we better talk about Sympathies

[voanirges]

Yea I understand but honestly (although I don't live in that part of Serbia) I have never heard about that,and it sounds imposible to me.I know that Bulgarians assimilated many Thracians,Sops,and other Greeks,Romanians and some Serbs in Macedonia, but I can't imagine that some high number of Romanians is assimilated because I don't believe that so big nation would let smtg like that to happen, that is my opinion.And another thing, Serbs consider Romanians as closest kins we have

[alegsandru]

yes,you consider us "the closest kins" but you still brainwash romanians from timok assimilating and calling them latinised slavs,vlachs but something different by romanians despite of the sinonimity between these two terms...

in voivodiana is another sitation because it's an autonomous region where your brainwashing methods doesn\t works but in timok..brainwashing rulles!

leave me alone with this kinky friendship

[voanirges]

Have you heard for Temisvar(Timisoara) I think you say it in Romanian, majority in Banat where Serbs and only one third of it is in Serbia, what about asimilating Serbs in Romanian Banat, brainwashing ???????????????????? kinky friendship ?????????? come on

[alegsandru]

again majoritary?

serbians were majoritary everywhere,even in kosovo or new guinean papua....

just like romanians from timok you are a victim of brainwashing

look here demographics of banat from 1910 made by austro-mongolians:

592,049 (37.42%) Romanians

387,545 (24.50%) Germans

284,329 (17.97%) Serbs

even germans were much more than you and you call the banat being serb?

if i'm not wrong even now serbs are just 65% of voivodina after your known ethnic purrification processes

[voanirges]

you wrong, I thought in 1918 they were majority , in Voivodina, Serbs were 65% before war , now because of refugees(Serbs) they are more than 85%, and on Kosovo Serbs were majority till 1974 and communistic terror against Serbs, and you are talking good known CNN lies about Serbs, "purification" process, no one gone from Voivodina, but from Croatia,Bosnia and Kosovo gone about milion of Serbs in last 20 years, so stop with that Vatican propagand if you are orthodox, because you are next

[alegsandru]

i\m not so stupid to trust what obese americans,frecled britons or german pedophils says but you can\t deny your massacres against others as others can't deny tito's massacres against you.

anyway that's not our buisness but the situation of romanians from timok.and the demographics of voivodina presented by me were made by you and you can't found them on wikipedia

also,ok understood!we are orthodox both but we can't hide that beyond orthodoxy,stop brainwashing and it will be everything ok

[alegsandru]

you can found them*

[Probyzantinum]

@voanirges romanians were majority in romanian part of Banat, is this why after WWI Great Powers decided to part it this way. If you go today in romanian banat you will fiend serbian vilages with serbian churches or serbian schools and serbian minority in Romania has its representant in parlament. They are not many serbs in romania. But if you go in Timok were romanians are majority you will se no romanian schools and 3 or 4 romanian churches erected only in last 3-4 years. See the diference?

[Probyzantinum]

@alegsandru in voivodina erau majoritari, are dreptate iar in banat erau mai multi doar in ceea ce e acum banatul sarbesc si in cateva sate din sudul banatului nostru. Problema nu e in Voivodina unde romanii sunt putini si au drepturi ci in Timoc unde sunt majoritari si nu au aproape niciun drept. Sper ca incet incet sa se indrepteze lucrurile, sunt semnale bune, s-au facut cateva biserici romanesti, astept si scolile.

[Probyzantinum]

@alegsandru in voivodina erau majoritari, are dreptate iar in banat erau mai multi doar in ceea ce e acum banatul sarbesc si in cateva sate din sudul banatului nostru. Problema nu e in Voivodina unde romanii sunt putini si au drepturi ci in Timoc unde sunt majoritari si nu au aproape niciun drept. Sper ca incet incet sa se indrepteze lucrurile, sunt semnale bune, s-au facut cateva biserici romanesti, astept si scolile.

[voanirges]

his name was Spartak, and Romans called him Spartak, because they were adding this sufix to all names, we know about Atila, and they called him Atillus, but his real name was Atila.You have to regard his original name, not name that Romans used for him.The only thing why I envolved in this discussion is that you said that Romanian names were forbiden in Serbia, it is lie.Never Romanian , or name of any people weren't forbiden in Serbia.

[AndreiM999]

Spartacus was a thracian from Illiria region. Most historians consider illirians a branch of thracian people too. The sufix US come from latin becouse the history source came through latin . We never call Spartak . Only slav people do it. We allways pronounce Spartacus if we talk about the ancient gladiator and all people call him the same way .. Spartacus.

Yes, the romanian names were forbiden in Timoc region since the end of XIX century .. The serb patriarch didn,t allowed this

[voanirges]

You see the only name of some Trachian we now nowadays is Spartak,isn't it?And the sufix "AK" is specific for slavic languages, Milak, Radak,Stojak, Novak(like Novak Djokovic),Pedja StojAKovic...,Spartak was a Serb if we consider his name, and there was mentioning of Serbs before 7th century in monastery Tvrdos 3t century,and there is another theory that Ilirs were Slavs,'cause ilirian=il+iran=he the white man, man from Iran,and Serbs origins are in old Iran,posible?

[AndreiM999]

His name was Spartacus ,,not Spartak

Don,t put such childish arguments .. How old are you ?

[AndreiM999]

yeah.. 19 years old..

[0ne27]

that´s an interesting theory..

before the fall of troy there were probably not any german, celtic, gallic tribe in the balcans there were just the sons of thiras (-thirasier - thrace - thrax) and the sons of javan ( ioan - ions - achais) ...

Thiras also called those whom he ruled over Thirasians; but the Greeks changed the name into Thracians (Ant. of Jews, I, 6).

illyrer -> il+iran (iran-> ayran-> the noble ones =)) no special asosiation at this place.

[sufletdepadure]

dzaciri frumuas rumuneask ! s traiask Timocenii rumuni !

[0ne27]

thx andreiM999 for this words :):

Timocene ..tineti-va tari si pastrati-va frumoasa si pitoreasca limba romaneasca a locului vostru.

i will look for some old tapes oh him.

bye

____

un brandusan

[catalinnz1]

Folclor autentic. Muzica frumoasa au romanii din Serbia. Sa fiti sanatosi oameni buni.

[mihaivitro]

Si eu cred ca e muzica ROMANEASCA si cintaretul Ioan Paun este minunat

[ABCDoAna]

jovan ili van burdus je iz sela plavne on je umro odavno mene zanima dali postoje video zapisi iz 1978. Jel smo onda bili zajedno sa folklorom iz Plavne za Belgiu.

[japi075]

Veliki pozdrav za deda Jovana od Tike iz Blizne!

[AndreiM999]

His romanian name Iovan Paun (Iovan Peacock) was slavicized . Long time ago romanians from balkans were forced to change their second names ( ex. ..adding a specific sufix ...OVIC in Serbia or ..OV in Bulgaria), and also on birth , they had a single option to choose from a list of slavian names. Romanian names were forbiden . This should not to happen next.

Timocene ..tineti-va tari si pastrati-va frumoasa si pitoreasca limba romaneasca a locului vostru.

[voanirges]

Serb Slavic name was Paun and when Roman Empire ocupied Serbs big number of Serbs accepted Roman language(now Romanian) and smaller number fled to Panonia, can you explain me which language you spoke before Roman Empire ???????

I will tell you Serbian, you origins are Serbian, and you are romanized during Roman Empire occupation, Romanians are our brothers and never their names weren't forbiden in Serbia, that isn't wright.

[AndreiM999]

Paun=Peacock into romanian. Before Roman Empire,a large region from Aegean Sea to N Carphatian mountains (till S Poland today) were inhabited by difered kind of thracian populations, including dacians(we know more than 100 names of thracian groups).Certainly, they were speaking more or less identic thracian dialects, far away of slavic language. No ancient historian mentioned serbs on this region before slavic migration. It,s a pity you may bealive such absurd theory. ..I heard about it.

[Djansr33]

@AndreiM999

You are wrong, he is JOVAN PAUNOVIC i dont see something romanian in his name.Do you know who are is WALLAHOLZ?Find something about WALLAHOLZ and you will see who is Jovan Paunovic and we all from est Serbian.I`m sorry but my contry is SERBIAN and for all wallach`s ;)

[AndreiM999]

@Djansr33 . Read again: 1-PAUN = PEACOCK into romanian ; "OVIC" = serb language sufix (in bulgarian a romanian with this name PAUN becamed PAUNOV ) becouse in Serbia and in Bulgaria foreign names were specifically slavicized. 3- Comparison with this,in Romania, serbian or bulgarian names weren't "romanized". Sure, they are romanian citizens now, some of them still speak serbian or bulgarian but we know they are "romanian citizens of serbian origine". 4- This music is simply romanian

[MrKalashnikov100]

@AndreiM999 It's Romanian and not Serbian, by Albanians (Illyrians) and Bulgarians (Thracians) there is the Gajde, too. I think our ancestors play this kind of music, and Romanians must it has from the Dacians. This is antic music, i love it. Bucur this music!

Regards from Albania!

[Durepanya]

@MrKalashnikov100 I know bucur means beautifull in albanian, in romanian means happy (Tu te bucuri - You enjoy).Cool, we share many words exclusively with you! But serbians and bulgarians are more related between them even if they made wars. hehehehe here we have a saying:"Romania is a country sorrounded by romanians". And i know Albania is the same.

[timoceanul]

Asta je muzika rumanjaska, da japi075 puace sa spuna she vrja jel, ka saraku nu a fi shecit njish o karce sa vada she radashinji are. Jo nam njimika ku s'rbi ka ku jej trajesk, s' trajesk binje, numa vreu sa sa scije she je al nuostru rumanjesk. Nuoj nu nje labdam ku lukru altora s' nu nji plashe njish alc' sa faka asta. Da lu muosu Van Br'ndusan, alal saj fije, njish nu sciu da maj trajasce or ba. Dje va traji saj dja Dumnjedzau sanatace sa maj kance la lumje, da dje nu saj fije car'na usuara.

[DrivingInIreland]

no gea ka bjinie szici, haha

[margita013]

Gde mogu da kupim ove caraba gajde?

Da li neko zna?

[margita013]

Da li neko zna gde mogu da se nadju ovakve gajde...caraba. Ja bih kupio jedne.

[japi075]

bravo deda Jovane!ovo je od srca odsvirano,bas za dusu!

[KiZa075]

not bad

[japi075]

Ovo je Srpska muzika koja sas Rumunskom nema veze,to je muzika koja olicje naseg Vlaskog podneblja a koji je deo nase majke Srbije!ja sam iz tog kraja i znam o cemu pisem,tamo sam odrastao u tom kraju u nasoj lepoj Srbiji!pozdrav svim Srbima sirom sveta !!!

[japi075]

bravo majstore!

[nemethmik]

This music is fabulous! Are there caraba cimpoi players in Serbia or Rumania today?

[c0gnate]

Yes, they can still be found there and throughout the Balkans.

[plamna]

Balsam pe suflet pentru noi romanii care cunoustem pe VAN BRNDUSAN de la PLAMNA.

Acum sunt mandru ca-s roman de la Plamna.

Lacrimi de dor din Austria!

[filip74]

Frumos le mai zice mosul..oare or mai fi in Serbia astazi cimpoiesi ca el?

[kamasis]

Ce mai faci cumnate? :)

[c0gnate]

Si mai fac ce fac de mult,

Vara doina mi-o ascult

[kamasis]

No, ma bucur.

Sa mai treci prin Illyria Forums cand mai ai timp.