@ricardozyw She never said Stalin was right, if you read her book or watch the documentary you would know that this has nothing to do with Soviet style communism.
capitalism, is far different than greed and corruption, although it is very easy to get infiltrated by those both because capitalism leaves you open and free to make good or bad business ethic, do not blame the idea of capitalism, it is far greater than the idea of working for example 40 hours, and some lazy shit worked 15, but the lazy one gets the same amount of things as the harder worker, that is all it comes down too, so shut the fuck up please stupid ass uneducated liberal motherfuckers.
Kliens investigation has exposed Psychology for what it is Regardless of whether they wear military uniforms or lab coats, Inevitably these people get bored torturing animals and turn to torturing human beings. I believe the first commandant at Auschwitz was a psychiatrist. The story Klien documents goes back at least a century earlier. I would encourage you to read Michael Foucault's Discipline and Punish, Manufacturing Madness or The Myth of Mental Illness by T Sasz.
@jazzbo66zz there is evil and mad scientists everywhere, someone like you should know better than to generalize, psychology helps alot of people, but leave it to the evil men to use this, as other healthy honest things, agfor for sinister things that you speak of.
Klien has uncovered the story of the century Why she has not won the Pulitzer Prize or been assasinated for her trouble is the mystery. She has stepped on the toes of the most dangerous people in the world. She also outed Psychology as a major element in the development of Totalitarianism and this aspect of the book indights that profession as a scientific fraud and an insideous social evil that should be permenently banned from any form of research involving either human or animal subjects.
fuck no, psychology is how we will know if you are going to be a mass murderer when you are older if you torture animals and dolls and shit, give me a break you liberals are fucking amazingly retarded, im not republican either so you can fuck yourself doubly for assuming i am just because i dont agree with your total illogical fucking childish behaviors, psychology is a fraud, fucking amazing.
lol. so the CIA, multi-national corps, Kissinger, Milton Friedman's proteges toppled governments and f*cked up multiple S. American countries, but Chile's Pinochet was the exception?
your petty complaint that she had a paid assistant, gave you away. every major book does. she has over 50 pages of foot notes. you've got nothing. are you jealous? a misogynist? if so, you'll have to deal with it yourself.
Actually the real miracle of Chile wasnt that the free market policies worked so well but that a Latin American government was willing to apply them.
By the way did you search the Tianamen square protests? the idea that those people were protesting AGAINST economic and political freedom is laughable to say the least.
In find incredible that you defend Klein on the basis that all major books pay assistants. I dont think that a serious journalistic work should be wrote that way.
Chile is ranked as one of the most unequal countries in the world: 116th out of 123 in 2007. I wouldn't call that a miracle. Pinochet came to power through the CIA, Kissinger and Freidman's boys, et al, by killing Chile's President, disappearing, torturing, and killing thousands if not hundreds of thousands of Chileans to implement their new market reforms. I call that a nightmare...and certainly not a "free" market.
So what? are you saying you are in favor of the state robbing the people of their hard earn money to make things more equal? thats nonsense.
"Pinochet came to power through the CIA"
Please learn the history of Chile, Salvador Allende was and illegal and unconstitutional marxist president that violated the constitution and the laws of Chile and he was in the KGB's pocket long before the CIA was on the scene.
you're confusing "hard earn(ed) money" with people making out like bandits through rigged systems. in forced economies, people at the top usually didn't earn it. sort of akin to the taxpayer bailouts to Goldman Sachs executives in the US going on today. if it was really free market, that company would already be bankrupt.
are you trying to legitimize pinochet's coup by putting down allende? is legalizing murder and torture in Chile's constitution?
Allende was a criminal and the coup was necessary to save the chilean republic from marxist terrorism and oppression but at the same time I dont support the fact that Pinochet stayed 17 years in power.
"By killing Chile's president and killing thousands"
Allende committed suicide when he realized he could not escape justice and there were only 3000 socialist casualties.
1500 of them died fighting the chilean army using the cuban arsenal Allende and the UP had smuggled into Chile with the help of the cuban DGI and the other 1200 or so died in the next 17 years.
Im not saying all the socialists were terrorists but most them were.
as i recall, there is question as to whether allende really committed suicide.
only 3000 murdered? just a few people...
that number is most likely a understatement. that's like the US government saying we only killed 85,000 Iraqi's in the news the other day. when independent sources say it's more like 1.5 million. same for chile. independent sources believe people tortured and killed were in the 10,000s or 100,000s.
Albeit that Pinochet's voice was recorded on the day of the coup saying that he might let Allende leave the country and then the plane "might have an accident hahahah", Allende's doctor has testified he saw the president just after he had shot himself in the head with the weapon given him by Fidel Castro. Yes, you are right the official figures are more than just conservative, unfortunately.
I was going to answer some of your misinformation, but then I read you are saying "Allende and the UP smuggled Cuban weapons into Chile blablabla..." the very thing some people wished he had done to defend the country from the coup but which he did not do....no,...evidently, right or leftwing, you are content with feeding from the garbage can of discredited misstatements as your sources. I can only say: Swallowing that kind of stuff ain't good for you!!
Doctor Friedman's involvement with the chilean case was minor, in fact that is another hole in Klein's theory of "capitalist conspiracy", once the order had been restored to Chile and the economic and social chaos of Allende's regime was over the military government didn't applied the free market reforms until 2 years later.
Friedman wrote a letter to Pinochet telling him what he recommended should be done with the economy in Chile. Friedman's trained proteges were in Chile ready to institute economic changes. That was done. I don't consider that minor.
Also, I read that Chile would have economically collapsed in the 1980's except Pinochet had never privatized the state copper mine, which generated 85% of the Chile's export revenues. Maybe that was the miracle - that it didn't get privatized.
Klein didn't write that the Chinese people were protesting against economic and political "freedom". They were protesting against sky-rocketing prices on consumer goods after the Chinese leaders had decided to make their country the sweat shop of the world by opening them up to globalization.
You sound upset that she had an assistant, yet it doesn't appear that you've read her book because you are making false claims and using topics of common criticism in reviews by neoconservative groups.
Actually the people at Tianamen were protesting because the political reforms towards economic and political freedom were going to slow and partially because of the death of Hu Yaobang, a big advocate of the free market, that was considered a "reformist" by the communist party and forced to retire until his dead in 1989.
The socialists in power in the communist party knew that economic and political freedom would lead to a more democratic system so they retaliated hard.
I did read her book, well most of it, though I admit I didn't want to waste my money on it so I downloaded it, but since I don't know any "neoconservative" sites I don't know what you are talking about.
I think you should read her book. It is not anti- "free-market". Rather, it is against economic policies that are moslty corporatist in my opinion, that can only be implemented by forcing people to take it through threats, tortures, and killings, not peaceful public consensus. It starts off in S. America, but covers countries through-out the world. Although the instigators always seem to be based in America (IMF, World Bank, big corporations, their minions like Kissinger).
It seems to me that she uses the all to familiar socialist approach of equalizing free market capitalism with crony capitalism.
An approach I know very well since Marx himself didn't understand the difference between mercantilism and capitalism.
Did free market policies worked every time? No, I admit there were problems along the way but it was a hell of a lot better than the central planning socialist state alternative.
i think we'll have to agree to disagree on who we trust in regards to some parts of history. ....and also what the best solutions would be. while i thought klein's analysis of what has gone on the past 30-40 years was excellent, i do not necessarily agree with as much nationalization and welfare or social programs as she proposes. i think there is the danger of people becoming too dependent on the state. i do credit her for waking me up the possibility of economic collapse in the US soon.
The fascist corporate state has figured out that with disasters comes opportunities to impose private business ventures. Wars are initiated by the state with privte military contractors as the primary benificiary. Free market capitalism outsources jobs from countries like the US to emerging markets with cheap slavelike labor. They leave unemployment at home and expolit foreign labor. This is neo-liberalism or free market economics or corporatism or facsism. This is the New World Order.
If you have paid attention in this last couple of years we DO NOT have Free Market Capitalism. If we did there would have been no bailouts by Paulson and the Bush Administration of the huge finance industry companies. What we have had is the Robbing of the working class for the benefit of the corporate class. If we had "Free Market " capitalism, wall street would be a ghost town, but as it is "Main Street: has become the ghost town. Corporations control Government, that is CLEAR.
I agree the US is not a free market, I agree that bailouts are wrong.
But I thinks corporations vs government. is a false dichotomy.
Like Milton Friedman once said, "capitalism is a necessary condition for freedom but not the only condition, you must also have values and political institutions that defend such freedom"
I think you misunderstand. Fascism is the domination of government by corporations. A blending if you will. BUT NO Capitalism is NO source of freedom. It ensures that there will eventually be monopoly and the vast majority will be subjugated by just a few DOMINANT individuals. I guess you never heard the term WAGE SLAVE. In capitalism you are free to earn a sliver of the wealth you produce, the bulk goes to the CEO and shareholders. Friedman was as evil as they get.
Actually fascism takes an organic approach of society, based on corporatism (the body) it believes that the state should regulate both the businesses and the workers for the benefit of the party and the nation, its a collectivist idea.
What you are describing is crony capitalism, corrupt politics mixed with economics.
As Friedman said capitalism is a necessary condition for freedom but it is not the only condition, you also need a free and open market without arbitrary political interference.
Except that the CORPORATIONS have the money and so ALWAYS get regulation in their favor. It is corrupt and always will be. Friedman was an utopian fool.
I have heard the term wage slavery, as well as plus-value and the labor theory, I have studied Marx too, but frankly such theories really dont hold up unless you see the world under the false dichotomy of "capitalists vs proletarians".
In capitalism you earn what you and your employer have agreed in a voluntary contract, if the entrepreneur makes more money is not because he is stealing from you but because he is satisfying the need of the market. No coercion is used so you can quit at anytime.
Quit and starve. All of your Friedmanism sounds real great but if you look at what is really in the world you find his FANTASY is never the truth. What you actually have is coercion and domination. That is the truth of the world, The Utopian world of Friedman never has and never will exist. History is filled with examples of that the domination of entire peoples by capitalist dictators.
Again just because in a free market the state doesnt force you to give your resource to other that doesnt mean you can not choose to help the less fortunate.
Also, is it really true that all workers live under wage slavery? NO, intelligent people with studies and specialties advance and makes more money because their work is more valuable to the company.
There can be no coercion without force, and there is no force in a voluntary contract.
They are still wage slaves, they have no choice but to work within the system, or they become the leeches. And YES this so called free market of yours FORCES you to give up the greater part of what you produce to the Leeches in the executive suite or the Shareholder.
OK ask those many millions who are losing everything, who have been "economically freed" from thier livlihoods how great Globalization is. While the bankers get 10 million dollar bonuses. LOOKS LIKE FASCISM TO ME.
Not all fascism is hitler and jackboots. Fascism exists all over the world in many forms. When the business interests or corporation come ahead of the population to the detriment of 95% of society you can call it fascism. When 80% of the people work for subsistence wages and 1% have more money than anyone could use in 100 lifetimes it is fascism. My uncle was in the army in ww2 , he told me upon liberating one of the Camps, a woman ran out and complained bitterly they were taking her workers
cont... That is fascism. So what is the difference if one is held with razor wire or threat of starvation and no shelter. It is still chains that hold the worker fast to his toil while the owner gets fat off the labor of others.
Capitalism is based on voluntary associations, none is forces to do anything the dont want to do but at the same time none is force to give their hard earn money to others in the name of the state or the party.
But they can choose to help if that is their wish.
Or are you saying that is OK to rob people of their money to feed and shelter other people?
yeah you are free to STARVE!. If people recieved the FULL amount that they produce for their companies NO ONE would live in poverty and many more people would compete for all jobs, as it is now you get a small fraction of what you PRODUCE and someone who sits their ass at a desk because of his alumni associations gets the fruits of everyone elses labor. THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED. And you know it. In my company there are multiple layers of managment and none of them produce ONE dollar of product.
You are free to give your money to other people, why do you wait for the state to take the money of others to do it in your name?
Of course people always exaggerate their own value, after all everybody believes they are worth a million dollars.
If the company you work for is so inefficient and bureaucratic then quit ask for a loan and start your own company, beat them at their own game, thats the free market.
IM not for the state taking anyones money. I think the whole system is corrupt. There will always be someone who will scheme and dominate the system. Just call it what it is. FASCISM and Coercive domination of the masses by a few business leaders. Many countries call themselves by other names but in practice it is all the same, The chinese call it communism but it is really fascism. America calls it capitalism, but it is really Fascism
Jesus! That story reminds of how Haiti had to pay France "compensation" for the "loss of its slaves", in exchange for France recognising Haiti, after the Haitian slaves and former slaves held their revolution.
Haiti continued to pay these "reparations" to France until 1947 (after France itself had been colonised by Germany).
can't wait what's the next shock. probably iran
TheCroArmyBilice 3 months ago
According to her Stalin had it right. What a moron...
ricardozyw 3 months ago
@ricardozyw She never said Stalin was right, if you read her book or watch the documentary you would know that this has nothing to do with Soviet style communism.
dave19941000 3 months ago
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great talent .. very entertaining .. thanks
jesseford97 4 months ago
Wait a minute, is that Banksy?, is spectacular!!!
greeeeeeeeeeeetg 1 year ago
@greeeeeeeeeeeetg Oh shit I think you're right
MedicineMelanch0ly 8 months ago
Brilliant
nemesisdesign 1 year ago
You don't have to agree with her to admit this is damn good cinematography, which (ironically enough) uses psychology to shock viewers.
LadyAudGa 1 year ago
proper marketing.
mma32lmm4 1 year ago
capitalism is victim of greed and corruption.
letsgoforajoyride 2 years ago
do not confuse the cia corruption and bad methods of mind control and nazi experimentation with healthy psychology..
we all know their are evil scientists out there,
letsgoforajoyride 2 years ago
capitalism, is far different than greed and corruption, although it is very easy to get infiltrated by those both because capitalism leaves you open and free to make good or bad business ethic, do not blame the idea of capitalism, it is far greater than the idea of working for example 40 hours, and some lazy shit worked 15, but the lazy one gets the same amount of things as the harder worker, that is all it comes down too, so shut the fuck up please stupid ass uneducated liberal motherfuckers.
letsgoforajoyride 2 years ago
@letsgoforajoyride
Kliens investigation has exposed Psychology for what it is Regardless of whether they wear military uniforms or lab coats, Inevitably these people get bored torturing animals and turn to torturing human beings. I believe the first commandant at Auschwitz was a psychiatrist. The story Klien documents goes back at least a century earlier. I would encourage you to read Michael Foucault's Discipline and Punish, Manufacturing Madness or The Myth of Mental Illness by T Sasz.
jazzbo66zz 2 years ago
@jazzbo66zz there is evil and mad scientists everywhere, someone like you should know better than to generalize, psychology helps alot of people, but leave it to the evil men to use this, as other healthy honest things, agfor for sinister things that you speak of.
letsgoforajoyride 1 year ago
Klien has uncovered the story of the century Why she has not won the Pulitzer Prize or been assasinated for her trouble is the mystery. She has stepped on the toes of the most dangerous people in the world. She also outed Psychology as a major element in the development of Totalitarianism and this aspect of the book indights that profession as a scientific fraud and an insideous social evil that should be permenently banned from any form of research involving either human or animal subjects.
jazzbo66zz 2 years ago
fuck no, psychology is how we will know if you are going to be a mass murderer when you are older if you torture animals and dolls and shit, give me a break you liberals are fucking amazingly retarded, im not republican either so you can fuck yourself doubly for assuming i am just because i dont agree with your total illogical fucking childish behaviors, psychology is a fraud, fucking amazing.
letsgoforajoyride 2 years ago
Doctor Friedman's commitment to economic and political freedom was always patent.
Thats why he gave a speech in a chilean university about the free markets, the same speech he gave in communist China.
Doctor Friedman was an advocate of human liberty and freedom of choice.
Wraith23 2 years ago
Read her book "The Shock Doctrine" it will change how you think about everything that has happened int he last 30 years
enkelin32 2 years ago
"The Shock Doctrine" was hilarious and full of incorrect information.
Do you think she really researched for that book? of course not, she payed some assistant to do that.
Wraith23 2 years ago
Can you give an example of something incorrect in her book?
lloydmer 2 years ago
The involvement of doctor Friedman with the chilean case and the reasons for the chinese rebellion of Tianamen square.
Wraith23 2 years ago
lol. so the CIA, multi-national corps, Kissinger, Milton Friedman's proteges toppled governments and f*cked up multiple S. American countries, but Chile's Pinochet was the exception?
your petty complaint that she had a paid assistant, gave you away. every major book does. she has over 50 pages of foot notes. you've got nothing. are you jealous? a misogynist? if so, you'll have to deal with it yourself.
lloydmer 2 years ago
Actually the real miracle of Chile wasnt that the free market policies worked so well but that a Latin American government was willing to apply them.
By the way did you search the Tianamen square protests? the idea that those people were protesting AGAINST economic and political freedom is laughable to say the least.
In find incredible that you defend Klein on the basis that all major books pay assistants. I dont think that a serious journalistic work should be wrote that way.
Wraith23 2 years ago
Chile is ranked as one of the most unequal countries in the world: 116th out of 123 in 2007. I wouldn't call that a miracle. Pinochet came to power through the CIA, Kissinger and Freidman's boys, et al, by killing Chile's President, disappearing, torturing, and killing thousands if not hundreds of thousands of Chileans to implement their new market reforms. I call that a nightmare...and certainly not a "free" market.
lloydmer 2 years ago
"Chile is rank on the most unequal countries"
So what? are you saying you are in favor of the state robbing the people of their hard earn money to make things more equal? thats nonsense.
"Pinochet came to power through the CIA"
Please learn the history of Chile, Salvador Allende was and illegal and unconstitutional marxist president that violated the constitution and the laws of Chile and he was in the KGB's pocket long before the CIA was on the scene.
Wraith23 2 years ago
you're confusing "hard earn(ed) money" with people making out like bandits through rigged systems. in forced economies, people at the top usually didn't earn it. sort of akin to the taxpayer bailouts to Goldman Sachs executives in the US going on today. if it was really free market, that company would already be bankrupt.
are you trying to legitimize pinochet's coup by putting down allende? is legalizing murder and torture in Chile's constitution?
lloydmer 2 years ago 5
I would never support government bailouts.
Allende was a criminal and the coup was necessary to save the chilean republic from marxist terrorism and oppression but at the same time I dont support the fact that Pinochet stayed 17 years in power.
Wraith23 2 years ago
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Pieldetapir 2 years ago
"By killing Chile's president and killing thousands"
Allende committed suicide when he realized he could not escape justice and there were only 3000 socialist casualties.
1500 of them died fighting the chilean army using the cuban arsenal Allende and the UP had smuggled into Chile with the help of the cuban DGI and the other 1200 or so died in the next 17 years.
Im not saying all the socialists were terrorists but most them were.
Wraith23 2 years ago
as i recall, there is question as to whether allende really committed suicide.
only 3000 murdered? just a few people...
that number is most likely a understatement. that's like the US government saying we only killed 85,000 Iraqi's in the news the other day. when independent sources say it's more like 1.5 million. same for chile. independent sources believe people tortured and killed were in the 10,000s or 100,000s.
lloydmer 2 years ago
Albeit that Pinochet's voice was recorded on the day of the coup saying that he might let Allende leave the country and then the plane "might have an accident hahahah", Allende's doctor has testified he saw the president just after he had shot himself in the head with the weapon given him by Fidel Castro. Yes, you are right the official figures are more than just conservative, unfortunately.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
I was going to answer some of your misinformation, but then I read you are saying "Allende and the UP smuggled Cuban weapons into Chile blablabla..." the very thing some people wished he had done to defend the country from the coup but which he did not do....no,...evidently, right or leftwing, you are content with feeding from the garbage can of discredited misstatements as your sources. I can only say: Swallowing that kind of stuff ain't good for you!!
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
Doctor Friedman's involvement with the chilean case was minor, in fact that is another hole in Klein's theory of "capitalist conspiracy", once the order had been restored to Chile and the economic and social chaos of Allende's regime was over the military government didn't applied the free market reforms until 2 years later.
Wraith23 2 years ago
Friedman wrote a letter to Pinochet telling him what he recommended should be done with the economy in Chile. Friedman's trained proteges were in Chile ready to institute economic changes. That was done. I don't consider that minor.
Also, I read that Chile would have economically collapsed in the 1980's except Pinochet had never privatized the state copper mine, which generated 85% of the Chile's export revenues. Maybe that was the miracle - that it didn't get privatized.
lloydmer 2 years ago 6
When Allende renationalised Chilean copper, he did so with the wide political consensus among the different Chilean political parties.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
Klein didn't write that the Chinese people were protesting against economic and political "freedom". They were protesting against sky-rocketing prices on consumer goods after the Chinese leaders had decided to make their country the sweat shop of the world by opening them up to globalization.
You sound upset that she had an assistant, yet it doesn't appear that you've read her book because you are making false claims and using topics of common criticism in reviews by neoconservative groups.
lloydmer 2 years ago
Actually the people at Tianamen were protesting because the political reforms towards economic and political freedom were going to slow and partially because of the death of Hu Yaobang, a big advocate of the free market, that was considered a "reformist" by the communist party and forced to retire until his dead in 1989.
The socialists in power in the communist party knew that economic and political freedom would lead to a more democratic system so they retaliated hard.
Wraith23 2 years ago
I did read her book, well most of it, though I admit I didn't want to waste my money on it so I downloaded it, but since I don't know any "neoconservative" sites I don't know what you are talking about.
Wraith23 2 years ago
I think you should read her book. It is not anti- "free-market". Rather, it is against economic policies that are moslty corporatist in my opinion, that can only be implemented by forcing people to take it through threats, tortures, and killings, not peaceful public consensus. It starts off in S. America, but covers countries through-out the world. Although the instigators always seem to be based in America (IMF, World Bank, big corporations, their minions like Kissinger).
lloydmer 2 years ago
Like I said I already read the thing.
It seems to me that she uses the all to familiar socialist approach of equalizing free market capitalism with crony capitalism.
An approach I know very well since Marx himself didn't understand the difference between mercantilism and capitalism.
Did free market policies worked every time? No, I admit there were problems along the way but it was a hell of a lot better than the central planning socialist state alternative.
Wraith23 2 years ago
i think we'll have to agree to disagree on who we trust in regards to some parts of history. ....and also what the best solutions would be. while i thought klein's analysis of what has gone on the past 30-40 years was excellent, i do not necessarily agree with as much nationalization and welfare or social programs as she proposes. i think there is the danger of people becoming too dependent on the state. i do credit her for waking me up the possibility of economic collapse in the US soon.
lloydmer 2 years ago
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lloydmer 2 years ago
The fascist corporate state has figured out that with disasters comes opportunities to impose private business ventures. Wars are initiated by the state with privte military contractors as the primary benificiary. Free market capitalism outsources jobs from countries like the US to emerging markets with cheap slavelike labor. They leave unemployment at home and expolit foreign labor. This is neo-liberalism or free market economics or corporatism or facsism. This is the New World Order.
jthomas3174 3 years ago 2
To equal free market capitalism with corporatism or fascism shows your ignorance.
Please, if you want to say you think globalization and economic freedom are wrong do it, but dont be so dishonest to call it fascism.
Wraith23 2 years ago
If you have paid attention in this last couple of years we DO NOT have Free Market Capitalism. If we did there would have been no bailouts by Paulson and the Bush Administration of the huge finance industry companies. What we have had is the Robbing of the working class for the benefit of the corporate class. If we had "Free Market " capitalism, wall street would be a ghost town, but as it is "Main Street: has become the ghost town. Corporations control Government, that is CLEAR.
enkelin32 2 years ago
I agree the US is not a free market, I agree that bailouts are wrong.
But I thinks corporations vs government. is a false dichotomy.
Like Milton Friedman once said, "capitalism is a necessary condition for freedom but not the only condition, you must also have values and political institutions that defend such freedom"
Wraith23 2 years ago
I think you misunderstand. Fascism is the domination of government by corporations. A blending if you will. BUT NO Capitalism is NO source of freedom. It ensures that there will eventually be monopoly and the vast majority will be subjugated by just a few DOMINANT individuals. I guess you never heard the term WAGE SLAVE. In capitalism you are free to earn a sliver of the wealth you produce, the bulk goes to the CEO and shareholders. Friedman was as evil as they get.
enkelin32 2 years ago
Actually fascism takes an organic approach of society, based on corporatism (the body) it believes that the state should regulate both the businesses and the workers for the benefit of the party and the nation, its a collectivist idea.
What you are describing is crony capitalism, corrupt politics mixed with economics.
As Friedman said capitalism is a necessary condition for freedom but it is not the only condition, you also need a free and open market without arbitrary political interference.
Wraith23 2 years ago
Except that the CORPORATIONS have the money and so ALWAYS get regulation in their favor. It is corrupt and always will be. Friedman was an utopian fool.
enkelin32 2 years ago
I have heard the term wage slavery, as well as plus-value and the labor theory, I have studied Marx too, but frankly such theories really dont hold up unless you see the world under the false dichotomy of "capitalists vs proletarians".
In capitalism you earn what you and your employer have agreed in a voluntary contract, if the entrepreneur makes more money is not because he is stealing from you but because he is satisfying the need of the market. No coercion is used so you can quit at anytime.
Wraith23 2 years ago
Quit and starve. All of your Friedmanism sounds real great but if you look at what is really in the world you find his FANTASY is never the truth. What you actually have is coercion and domination. That is the truth of the world, The Utopian world of Friedman never has and never will exist. History is filled with examples of that the domination of entire peoples by capitalist dictators.
enkelin32 2 years ago
Again just because in a free market the state doesnt force you to give your resource to other that doesnt mean you can not choose to help the less fortunate.
Also, is it really true that all workers live under wage slavery? NO, intelligent people with studies and specialties advance and makes more money because their work is more valuable to the company.
There can be no coercion without force, and there is no force in a voluntary contract.
Wraith23 2 years ago
They are still wage slaves, they have no choice but to work within the system, or they become the leeches. And YES this so called free market of yours FORCES you to give up the greater part of what you produce to the Leeches in the executive suite or the Shareholder.
enkelin32 2 years ago
I will always respect doctor Milton Friedman for promoting the cause of human liberty in the world.
Wraith23 2 years ago
OK ask those many millions who are losing everything, who have been "economically freed" from thier livlihoods how great Globalization is. While the bankers get 10 million dollar bonuses. LOOKS LIKE FASCISM TO ME.
enkelin32 2 years ago
You have to make a distinction between a free market problem and a problem caused by bad government policies.
In any case I dont think you can call it fascism.
Wraith23 2 years ago
Not all fascism is hitler and jackboots. Fascism exists all over the world in many forms. When the business interests or corporation come ahead of the population to the detriment of 95% of society you can call it fascism. When 80% of the people work for subsistence wages and 1% have more money than anyone could use in 100 lifetimes it is fascism. My uncle was in the army in ww2 , he told me upon liberating one of the Camps, a woman ran out and complained bitterly they were taking her workers
enkelin32 2 years ago
cont... That is fascism. So what is the difference if one is held with razor wire or threat of starvation and no shelter. It is still chains that hold the worker fast to his toil while the owner gets fat off the labor of others.
enkelin32 2 years ago
Capitalism is based on voluntary associations, none is forces to do anything the dont want to do but at the same time none is force to give their hard earn money to others in the name of the state or the party.
But they can choose to help if that is their wish.
Or are you saying that is OK to rob people of their money to feed and shelter other people?
Wraith23 2 years ago
yeah you are free to STARVE!. If people recieved the FULL amount that they produce for their companies NO ONE would live in poverty and many more people would compete for all jobs, as it is now you get a small fraction of what you PRODUCE and someone who sits their ass at a desk because of his alumni associations gets the fruits of everyone elses labor. THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED. And you know it. In my company there are multiple layers of managment and none of them produce ONE dollar of product.
enkelin32 2 years ago
Aside from the INVENTOR, or the FOUNDER, they are all leeches and arent worth the cost of their suits.
enkelin32 2 years ago
You are free to give your money to other people, why do you wait for the state to take the money of others to do it in your name?
Of course people always exaggerate their own value, after all everybody believes they are worth a million dollars.
If the company you work for is so inefficient and bureaucratic then quit ask for a loan and start your own company, beat them at their own game, thats the free market.
Wraith23 2 years ago
IM not for the state taking anyones money. I think the whole system is corrupt. There will always be someone who will scheme and dominate the system. Just call it what it is. FASCISM and Coercive domination of the masses by a few business leaders. Many countries call themselves by other names but in practice it is all the same, The chinese call it communism but it is really fascism. America calls it capitalism, but it is really Fascism
enkelin32 2 years ago
As I said that is not fascism but crony capitalism, and using the inequality argument so bluntly is absurd.
Are you saying that being successful and rich automatically makes you a fascist?
Is a successful business a form of fascism organization?
OF COURSE NOT.
Fascism involves the use of force to maintain the power of the state, capitalism is based on voluntary trade and peaceful cooperation.
Wraith23 2 years ago
Jesus! That story reminds of how Haiti had to pay France "compensation" for the "loss of its slaves", in exchange for France recognising Haiti, after the Haitian slaves and former slaves held their revolution.
Haiti continued to pay these "reparations" to France until 1947 (after France itself had been colonised by Germany).
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
Seriously, this has to be a joke!
porkypine8974 3 years ago
Torture is no joke.
jthomas3174 3 years ago
I know. That's why this video is so wrong.
porkypine8974 3 years ago
It can be uncomfortable to see the truth sometimes, eh?
lloydmer 2 years ago
Two striking points in this video:
1) shock wears off,
2) information builds in resilience.
In her public appearances, Klein speaks of "pattern recognition." This is the ability to recognize, early on, the sequencing of events.
It appears that as Klein becomes more widely known, she is helping build resilience among those willing to really understand her.
We all MUST resist the privatization agenda. Mercifully, more people are catching on.
Thanks for this vid.
rsaswest 3 years ago 2
Very Nice.
Fletch8888 3 years ago
absolutely awesome
iliketojumplargeobje 4 years ago
holy shit!
actmanraj 4 years ago