Japs asked for it! Stupid dirty Japs underestimated the U.S, well it happens when deluded shitty country underestimates the powerful country the United States of America.Too fucking bad and blame their own ignorance.
Japan's emperor was CONSIDERING surrender and lobbying for negotiations, his generals rejected any such consideration, even after 120000+ died in firebomb raids on Tokyo.
Invasion projections were for 7 million killed in action, fighting every step of the way. Kamikaze attacks certainly bore out that notion.
However, no negotiations were ever started until AFTER Nagasaki was bombed.
Afirdaus068, the job of the US government is to look out for US interests, not other nations.
@afirdaus have you not heard of the horrendous crimes japan had been doing? especially war crimes? and with 6,000 deaths a day on average, 70,000 people would have died in 10-12 days as it was. the bombs were an act of mercy, to both japan, and america, as well as the rest of asia.
1:41 : In order to save the lives of thousands and thousands of young americans.... They didn't care about other people, they all care about their asses, like today.
@natskyle72: I think places in Korea, China, Philippines, Singapore, Guam and many more along with the people there are pretty beautiful too. So what name are you going to call the Japanese for despoiling the land and slaughtered them?
Also, maggot, inbred pigs, please note that Nagasaki was actually meant for factories, creating new suicidal, fuck-tard, death traps like the Type97s. The fact that you maggots don't know that scares me! Let's hope this asshole dies. (Faggot who made the vid. HAH!)
1. Helping the soviet pig get higher, with 150,000 AFVs, clothes, foods and oils, all but to slaughter and rape 2.5 million women in their OWN NATION and create the cold war, letting the Russians nearly "turn Germany into a medieval state, where countries get free pieces of." (Stalin proposed this.)
2. Actually protect the Japs from the Soveits after WWII.
Is this fucking pig really making vids like this? Hey, cunt bad, please note that those bestiality liking, racist, primitive, inferior, have-no-fire-control that is even close on any BB to an American BB and a pig-raised army maggots would fight to the end, were handing weapons to old women, gave knives to children and would've killed a million on each side. Kill 100,000 brainwashed, nuts to save a million, then FEED, CLOTH and PROTECT from Bolsehvik, Russian, PIGS of the North.
Does December 7, 1941 ring a bell to the arm chair generals who think the USA shouldn't have nuked Japan? Japan declared war on the USA and got what it deserved by being nuked twice. Anyone opposed to the dropping of these bombs would change their attitude had they known they'd be on the front line during any invasion of Japan. It's too bad the USA didn't have the bomb ready to have dropped on Germany right in middle of Hitler's Berlin bunker.
@OU812ICRUNVS "Does December 7, 1941 ring a bell" - how many hundreds of thousands of Jap civilians have to die to balance the 62 US civilian deaths at PH?
@majorgeeek "'Does December 7, 1941 ring a bell' - how many hundreds of thousands of Jap civilians have to die to balance the 62 US civilian deaths at PH?" for the learning impaired aka geekboy:
Japan's attack on Pearl started the war between Japan and the US. The reason for the bombs was to not kill 10M or more Japanese during an invasion of Kyushu
Have any non-anecdotal evidence showing that Japan would've surrendered with less loss of life for all? PM Suzuki showed otherwise
Who started WW2??? Japan declared war on the USA. Japan got what it deserved. You talk about Japanese civilians having to die. These civilians would have died for the Emperor. They would have taken as many Allied soldiers as they could have given the chance. You need to talk to a veteran who served and fought against the Japanese and let them tell you what they saw the Japanese soldiers did. You'd whistle a different tune then! Read history and learn something!
there was an argument going on within the japanese military command in tokyo as to the number of bombs the US had. the prevailing argument was only one,and they should fight on.news of the Nagasaki attack came during discussions.Even this didnt sway the military to surrender.It was The russian declaration of war on Japan that was the final straw .And at this time the Japanese army was holding Hirohito captive, as he favored surrender.warlords essentially held Japan captive.
@quellhas "yeah silvache83 america doesent enslave countries.just butch them up" The king was the Soviets. Check out how the maps were redrawn after that
Why China? Why phillipines? Why Indonesia? Why singapore? Why malaya? Why Korea? Why pearl harbour? Why rape on nanking? Why bataam death march? Why sook ching massacre? Thats just a small list of attrocities japan commited. China alone had 12 million people killed by japan
@Silvache83 "there is no difference between the nazis and the americans both killed innocent people to win the war" I guess then the Japanese and Germans and Soviets and the UK and Filipinos and Canadians and Australians and Kiwis and every other country that ever did anything is guilty too
Yup, that's right, we're all humans and all of us have relatives that killed or were killed at one time or another
What you refuse to say is how many in Japan alone would've died by invasion
@Silvache83 Really? Any country the Japanese conquered became a J colony/ slave state.
When MacArthur got to Japan, he found it on the verge of famine. He cabled DC "Send me food or send me bullets" Millions of tons of US grain averted mass starvation
What USA did can never be justified. I will never forgive them for what they have done. It kills me to watch this and know that USA nd Japan alliance is one of the strongest in the world now. Why cruel world....why?
@feerfeerw "What USA did can never be justified" when the alternative is invasion where Japan's military was having school girls train with bamboo spears to kill allied troops so there'd be no difference between a civilian and military, yes, it is justified
"It kills me to watch this and know that USA nd Japan alliance" ever heard of "saving someone from themselves"? That is what the US basically did with Japan
@sol3a1 "when the alternative is invasion where Japan's military was having school girls train with bamboo spears to kill allied troops" - are you implying US marines were too cowardly to invade Japan? and you saying you can justify nuclear terrorism against civilians because Japanese school girls were armed with sticks? - your logic seems redundant - and it didn't stop the US invading Korea or Vietnam or the subsequent US Marine and enemy losses without the use of nuclear bombs
@majorgeeek: when you respond with "are you implying US marines were too cowardly to invade Japan?" to my post of "when the alternative is invasion where Japan's military was having school girls train with bamboo spears to kill allied troops" that just shows the US is incapable of ever doing anything right in you eyes
With your worldview so skewed any attempt of a rational discussions with you is impossible. Deep seated prejudice such as yours needs professional help
@majorgeeek "you saying you can justify nuclear terrorism against civilians because Japanese school girls were armed with sticks?" Not at all but you're too irrational to see that such a population, if invaded, would have a significant portion killed off
Instead of 200k deaths, the deaths would be millions, some Japanese military leaders believed as high as 20M Japanese dead from an invasion
"your logic seems redundant" and you're logic is non-existant
@majorgeeek "try 500+ k inc radiation deaths excluding conventional bombing deaths" can you back that up or did you have a doctor with a flashlight pull that out
"analysts also believe Japan would have folded after a short overwhelming battle if invaded" who? even still, how many would die? What about "fanatical spots"? Germany was beaten but Berlin cost how many loves?
"your figure 20 mill is a totally irrational" not mine, but how many in Okinawa?
@majorgeeek "stick to your "Japanese school girls armed with sticks" theory scared off the US invasion" not afraid, just would hate killing girls
"just be honest just say you support war terrorism" no but you seem to like killing and deaths. Why don't you admit that you've no clue and sink to even more and more desperate ploys to make and keep your strawman alive
@majorgeeek "and it didn't stop the US invading Korea or Vietnam or the subsequent US Marine and enemy losses without the use of nuclear bombs" which are not part of the discussion
You have trouble staying on topic and must borrow from other areas to try to build a big enough strawman to attempt a point
OBTW, Chinese backed N Korea invaded S Korea and the same with Vietnam. The US didn't invade to invade but as a response to Soviet/Chinese backed invaders
@kentamitchell General MacArthur "The war might have ended weeks earlier if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor." The Pathology of Power, pg. 65 - I hope the original Memorandum does not fall into your pathological possession or the hands of any other bent terrorist
@majorgeeek "Pathology of Power" doesn't show when the quote was from. It is known that when Truman DID change from "Surrender of Japan" to "Surrender of Japan's Military" at Potsdam, PM Suzuki use the Japanese word meaning "to kill with silent contempt"
It was a week before Hiroshima but we can already see that Japan's misreading of the US, suing for peace after Pear to "just needing a serious loss" to lose heart and give Japan very favorable terms
@sol3a1 Are you familiar with geekboy's purchase of the Brooklyn Bridge. 8/19/45 A Chicagio Tribune writer named Walter Trohan claimed that 1/45 MacArthur forwarded a 40 page memo from J govt offering to surrender on 1 condition (E remains figurehead) So I called the MacArthur museum archivist in Norfolk Virginia. They've heard the story, but don't have the memo. (Sasquatch stole their last copy)
@kentamitchell: Yeah, I heard geekie tell that story too. Funny how when asked to back it up, he can never seem to reproduce any claim. Actually I heard it was Nessie that stole it
Why are they always like geekie or like the one I'm arguing with now on "Barefoot Gen" on how it is "Exactly like 11th of September"
@sol3a1 Norman Cousins writes of his conversations with MacArthur, "When I asked Gen MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted" and "that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb. The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor." N Cousins,Pathology of Power, pg. 65 - conforms his memorandum
@majorgeeek "Norman Cousins writes of his conversations with MacArthur, 'When I asked Gen MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted'" not all commanders are especially on new weapons, your point?
"N Cousins,Pathology of Power, pg. 65 - conforms his memorandum" that's the only place its seen. It came out AFTER MacArthur died so there's no way it can be confirmed
Cousins had his own agenda, no collaboration so it means zip
@sol3a1 "Japanese school girls armed with sticks scared off the US invasion", "not afraid, just would hate killing girls" - the US mass murdered hundreds of thousands of unarmed women and children in atomic attacks & terror bombings - Albert Einstein said that he was sure that Roosevelt would have forbidden the atomic bombing of Hiroshima had he been alive and that it was probably carried out to end the Pacific war before Russia could participate - proves Albert is lot smarter than you
@majorgeeek "he US mass murdered hundreds of thousands of unarmed women and children in atomic attacks & terror bombings" what strategic bombing had no civilians die in the cities that were bombed?
I don't like it but remember the US didn't start it. Strategic bombing was part of total war. Germany bombed and then was bombed, same with Japan. Civies died in all of them
"Albert Einstein said" more argument from authority. Was Einstein in the middle of the negotiations? No
@majorgeeek "I suggest you bring up the macmemo topic at your next jihad meeting or try and find Sasquatch or lay off the weed for a spell" perhaps you can actually present evidence that Japan's leaders were looking to surrender, not keep what they had
Of course you have to go to ad homs as you have no real argument to use. As for Albert being smarter than I, in physics and science - absolutely. Then again I won't let Albert do my taxes nor operate on me. He's not trained there
@majorgeeek "I suggest you bring up the macmemo topic at your next jihad" and I suggest you bring up something like oh, evidence, not quotes from authorities who've no experience with the diplomacy at the time nor anecdotal and non-collaborated discussions between people who are dead and can't confirm what was stated and activists who would say anything due to their agenda
@sol3a1 "US didn't start it. Strategic bombing was part of total war." - strategic bombing of civilians as opposed to military targets is not war - the deliberate targeting of civilians in war is morally and legally unacceptable irrespective of "who started it" - Hiroshima became the model of mass destruction, psychological warfare and terrorism adopted by US as well as bin Laden in 9/11
@majorgeeek "strategic bombing of civilians as opposed to military targets is not war - the deliberate targeting of civilians in war is morally and legally unacceptable irrespective" when cities are targeted, as Tokyo and others were, civilians die. As there were 3 Military HQs and war production in H, that was strategic bombing
Japan's responsible for putting civies in harm's way
"bin Laden in 9/11" yet more disjointed connection. Was the US at war with a country before 9/11?
@sol3a1 "Was Einstein in the middle of the negotiations?" - Truman's demands for unconditional surrender and deliberate aloofness were all well known - there were no negotiations with Japan - and the eventual surrender was also not unconditional - Truman ignored Einstein, Los Alamos scientists, US intelligence, peace feelers and every authority set against dropping the bomb - Einstein arguably the smartest man on the planet was not wrong about Truman
@majorgeeek "Truman's demands for unconditional surrender and deliberate aloofness were all well known" good thing he changed his tune on 26 July as he offered terms of "Japan's Military to Surrender"
Terms for Japan were same as Germany's. Do you think we should've had other than Unconditional Surrender for Germany?
Many oscientists wanted to use the bomb on Germany and some JUST Germany as they saw Hitler and Nazis as their only enemy. Still some didn't object using it on Japan
@sol3a1 "not all commanders are especially on new weapons, your point? "?? - be real MacArthur knew what an atomic bomb was and he should have been briefed and consulted about using it on Hiroshima - it proves Truman's cabal sidelined anyone who was against the bombings including sideling their own great General MacArthur the Supreme Commander of the Pacific War - who said he "saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb."
@majorgeeek "be real MacArthur knew what an atomic bomb was and he should have been briefed and consulted about using it on Hiroshima" where he was or wasn't is immaterial. What is known is everything you stated about MacArthur has not been collaborated
"saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb" when did he say that and who did he say it to? Who else heard it?
Back it up or realize you don't know WTF you're talking about
@sol3a1 Norman Cousins writes of his conversations with MacArthur, "When I asked General MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted. What, I asked, would his advice have been? He replied that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb." Pathology of Power - therefore your comment "everything you stated about MacArthur has not been collaborated" is uncorroborated nonsense unless you call him a lier
@majorgeeek - When was the book published? Who else heard the interview? Why don't you answer those?
Again geek, I don't doubt that Japan would've surrendered without the bombs. I also think that the death toll would be far higher from starvation, disease and being killed as some invasion would've been done
What MacArthur believed is contradicted by what V Adm Ugaki wrote in his diaries (which are real) and PM Suzuki's response to Truman by Mokusatsu to military surrender of Japan
@sol3a1 details of the book Pathology of Power are freely available on the net, Norman Cousins an American political journalist, author, professor, and world peace advocate has written many books and is a reputable author - he refers to his direct conversations with MacArthur - have you any evidence that suggests he was lying ?
@majorgeeek: If you tell me Mrs. "X" is going to make pumpkin pie Mrs. "X" says she's going to make pecan pie, who should I believe?
If Mac said the Japanese were going to surrender (from implication soon) yet the PM and many military leaders say otherwise, who should you believe?
I'm sure the Japanese would've surrendered without the bomb, after starvation, disease, more conventional attacks and even allied troops killed millions of Japanese
@sol3a1"I'm sure the Japanese would've surrendered without the bomb, after starvation, disease, more conventional attacks and even allied troops killed millions of Japanese" - you cannot be sure since your opinion is total conjecture - the Japs could have surrendered at any time - in fact the Japs could have surrendered earlier if Truman had not insisted on unconditional surrender - there is no justification for strategic bombing of civilians - you are trying to justify mass murder
@majorgeeek "you cannot be sure since your opinion is total conjecture" actually mine pulls from what was known from the fighting before and how Japan was willing to sacrifice 25% of Okinawa's population
Then we've Mac's public statement, ie not heard only by some peace at all cost activist without anyone else to confirm, about "Send me bread or Bullets". Japan's militarists would've still been in charge and preparing for an invasion, hence production goes from food to war
As to why Japan's leaders would've kept fighting, they'd be emboldened by what they heard from Truman and believed what they wanted to all along: The US would sue for peace once the fighting got too tough. We do know and have confirmation that PM Suzuki thought that
Lies Japan's militarists have been telling seems to be true. Japan is still cut off from food imports from China and Korea. We know that with malnutrition comes disease and more suffering
After a while as talks to occupy Japan and war criminals drag on (shouldn't Japan get the same conditions as Germany?) US announces that attacks will resume. Japan's leaders would expect something like that but feel they just have to "maintain the course, out wait and deal another "bloody nose" to the US"
Japan is able to defend itself, to a point, but it becomes obvious to the allies that Japan was just stalling. Outraged the allies plan invasion
There, all logical and from well known and confirmed sources on what Japan's leaders were planning. It doesn't include any deaths in China and Korea or truly innocent people, namely the peasants there
If you want, please show where I've made a mistake and be specific as you're prone to say anything that just doesn't mesh with your rosey world view is wrong with no evidence to back you ass up
"Japs could have surrendered earlier" Truman did lower them
And PM Suzuki rebuffed them. How can you expect that Japan would've surrendered and under what terms?
"there is no justification for strategic bombing of civilians" if you're targeting only civies you'd be correct but cities with war production and military HQs in them, those are targets that the leaders deliberately put in civilian areas
"you are trying to justify mass murder" nope it is what it is. That it conflicts with your Pollyanish POV is your issue
@sol3a1 " If you tell me Mrs. "X" is going to make pumpkin pie Mrs. "X" says she's going to make pecan pie, who should I believe?" - MacArthur because he told Norman Cousins he was against the atomic bomb, which is what Cousins wrote unless of course you have proper contradictory evidence besides your usual half baked conjecture
@majorgeeek: After Nagasaki. V Adm. Ugaki from his diary "Fading Victory" wrote this. It gives a good ideal how far he'd go
"Even though it becomes impossible for us to continue organized resistance after expending our strength, we must continue guerrilla warfare under the emperor and never give up the war. When this resolution is brought home, we can't be defeated. Instead, we can make the enemy finally give up the war after making it taste the bitterness of a prolonged conflict"
@sol3a1 "not all commanders are especially on new weapons, your point? " - your unreferenced implication why MacArthur was not briefed or consulted about Hiroshima is a folly - Truman's cabal sidelined anyone who dissented with their policy making included MacArthur who was against the atomic bomb - Yamamoto got sidelined when he showed resistance to attack on PH - Colin Power was sidelined when he opposed the invasion of Iraq - John Dower, Cultures of War
@majorgeeek "your unreferenced implication why MacArthur was not briefed or consulted about Hiroshima is a folly" nope it is how something worked
"Truman's cabal sidelined anyone who dissented with their policy making included MacArthur who was against the atomic bomb" conjecture as you haven't shown Mac was against the Bomb but he was to use on China
"Yamamoto got sidelined when he showed resistance to attack on PH" yet he was Fleet commander until he died
@sol3a1"I suggest you bring up something like oh, evidence" this is coming from someone who says "Japanese school girls armed with sticks scared off the US invasion", and "not afraid, just would hate killing girls" when in fact Hiroshima & Nagasaki evidenced the mass murder of ten's of thousands of girls, women and children is myopic and totally devoid of any sense let alone evidence - how would you like it if they were your kids??
@sol3a1 just as a point of evidential interest, given MacArthur's obvious willingness to use nuclear weapons to win wars, as was displayed in the Korean War, we should place extra weight on his belief that Japan would have surrendered without them.
@majorgeeek "just as a point of evidential interest, given MacArthur's obvious willingness to use nuclear weapons to win wars" if that's true then it's more likely he was in favor of them on Japan
Unless you can actually show otherwise with collaborated material and not something published AFTER he died and couldn't confirm it
Geekboy I do believe Japan would have surrendered with out the bombs, after millions in Japan starved to death and how many more killed in China and Korea
@kentamitchell Davis Congressional resolution proves Hirohito was not immune from prosecution - MacArthur was the supreme commander in Japan empowered to make the final decision about Hirohito which he did on 30 Nov - so Hirohito's fate was still unknown - point is how did Trohan know on 19 Aug Hirohito would become immune from prosecution and be US puppet? - Potsdam had no such guarantees - in fact Japan's surrender was modeled on the MacMemo unless you can prove otherwise
@majorgeeek "Davis Congressional resolution proves Hirohito was not immune from prosecution - MacArthur was the supreme commander in Japan empowered to make the final decision about Hirohito which he did on 30 Nov" that is true. MacArthur knew he needed something to focus Japan's attention on and have "1 more thing they could lose" if they didn't behave
"in fact Japan's surrender was modeled on the MacMemo unless you can prove otherwise" you state it, you show the evidence
@majorgeeek Again with the MacMemo. I guess you've never heard of Occam's razor.
The Macmemo (Trohan's fabrication) stated that J govt offered to surrender w/hirohito as a figurehead (that's in Jan'45) July '45 when Sato urged Togo to offer surrender w/1 term- Togo rejected the advice and AFTER H&N J govt's 1st formal reply to PD was they accepted provided E kept his perogatives as "sovereign ruler"
J govt offered better terms 1/45 than they did 6 months later?
@kentamitchell "J govt offered better terms 1/45 than they did 6 months later? " - more reason for condemning FDR for not accepting them before Yalta - it would have prevented the need for the Japs having to prove their commitment to their Emperor at Iwo Jima and Okinawa and prevented the US becoming the first modern instance of terrorist bombings of civilian populations using nuclear weapons
@majorgeeek "more reason for condemning FDR for not accepting them before Yalta" both sides of your mouth. Didn't you state earlier that Einstein was SURE FDR wouldn't approve the bomb?
OBTW, where's your evidence? Post it or be shown to be nothing but a pseudo intellectual poseur with no clue, honesty or scruples
@sol3a1"I'm sure the Japanese would've surrendered without the bomb, after starvation, disease, more conventional attacks and even allied troops killed millions of Japanese" - is conjecture and does not justify using the atomic bomb on civilians - FDR did not discuss the atom bomb at Yalta - he died before Alamogordo and yes Einstein was sure FDR would not have approved the atom bomb if he had lived
"pseudo intellectual poseur with no clue, honesty or scruples" describes you
@majorgeeek "is conjecture and does not justify using the atomic bomb on civilians" and I went step, by step on why and how using the evidence that is not just available but available from multiple sources, unlike your fantasies
Again you just dismiss without showing why so I will take it you can't and my points stand, despite your cluelessness to the contrary
"Einstein was sure FDR" yet you go and say "reasons to hate FDR" Einstein said is not as important as PM Suzuki's quote
@majorgeeek "pseudo intellectual poseur with no clue, honesty or scruples" describes you to a "T"
Have you been able to show any independent confirmation on what Mac said to what's his face? NO
Are you able to show why Japan would've surrendered as it was shown after Truman DID go from Japan's unconditional to military surrender that Japan's government thought they'd out wait as they believed the US was unable to continue? NO
@majorgeeek: Okay geek, present your evidence that Japan was looking to surrender AND the terms of that surrender in Jan 1945
I don't want to read what somebody "thinks" but what Japan's leaders (as they'd be the ones who'd decide to surrender) were doing
Take into account what was known, how the Imperial High Command from day 1 of their war with the US believed the US was weak willed and would sue for peace
Also take into account that when Truman did relax the terms what happened
@sol3a1 there is no evidence in your pro terrorism verbiage that justifies US deliberately targeting civilians - bin Laden adopted the US code of terror and psychological weapon " bin Laden was planning to carry out a Hiroshima" prof J Dower, Culture of War
'Truman did relax the terms what happened' - July'45 non diplomatic leaflet droplets? - demanded 'unconditional surrender" & vague on the Emperor - confused the Japs even more
@majorgeeek "there is no evidence in your pro terrorism verbiage that justifies US deliberately targeting civilians" good thing as I 'd never support just targeting civies
"bin Laden adopted" I can't help if nutter decides to use incorrect terms. Like YEC who call it "Creation Science" just because someone uses the word incorrectly doesn't change the real meaning
"demanded 'unconditional surrender" & vague on the Empero" nope it demanded Japan's military to surrender
@majorgeeek "confused the Japs even more" then why did they not ask for more information? If they truly were interested in surrender, they would've asked
Instead they shelved it and stonewalled as they did for months prior
@majorgeeek *Sigh* OK, I'm dealing with a reeeeeeally slow learner. FDR never received any offer from J govt 1/45. When Hoover asked MacArthur about the 'Macmemo', MacArthur declined to confirm that it existed. Call the MacArthur museum in Norfolk.
@kentamitchell MacArthur always declined to comment to the press neither confirm or deny - defending the action of Hiroshima kentamitchell has aligned himself to the code of terror and psychological warfare same as al Qaeda & 9/11
@majorgeeek "MacArthur always declined to comment to the press neither confirm or deny" You do know he was the leader of Japan? He had to be a politician
As the defacto dictator of Japan from '45 to '52 if he said "Yeah, I thought it was great to nuke 'em" it wouldn't be a good idea to say trying to pacify Japan
Mac at the end most likely had real empathy for Japan and like everyone wonder "was there a better way?"
Choice though wasn't for the US, PM Suzuki made it with mokusatsu
@sol3a1 given MacArthur's obvious willingness to use nuclear weapons to win wars, as in the Korean War, you should place extra weight on his belief that Japan would have surrendered without them.
Suzuki's mokusatsu had several different meanings - Sakomizu later said it meant "no comment" - despite the statement Truman knew the Japs were still trying surrender - Suzuki's press conf July 28 "wanting to end the war quickly" Horohito sided with Suzuki, Togo & Yonai - D Wainstock
@majorgeeek "given MacArthur's obvious willingness to use nuclear weapons" on Red Chinese and after he had lived and "guided" Japan. Try again
"his belief that Japan would have surrendered" as I'm sure Japan wou;d've surrendered without them too, after millions died of starvation or worse
"Suzuki's mokusatsu had several different meanings" wow, you are obtuse and desperate here. Suzuki wanted even better terms so mokusatsu's meaning of "to kill by silence" is correct
@majorgeeek: By declaring mokusatsu, Suzuki was waiting for even better terms, negotiations only based on their belief the US was unwilling or unable in some way to continue the war
Mokusastu doesn't mean rejection, and nobody said it does. It would be the same as offering so much cash for a car and having the salesman fold his arms and look at you without saying a thing
But that is a fact that Japan believed the US didn't have the nerve and that was a fatal mistake
@majorgeeek "despite the statement Truman knew the Japs were still trying surrender" That's a flat out lie
Japan was trying to negotiate a ceasefire, not surrender. Truman knew Japan sent ambassadors to the USSR to get them to at least stay neutral and possibly get them to ally with them
Again you say lots of crap with no evidence. Come on geek, show us your evidence that Sato was sent to surrender and get terms for it
@kentamitchell "The authority of the Emperor and the Japanese Government to rule the state shall be subject to the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers who will take such steps as he deems proper to effectuate these terms of surrender." no guarantees of a reprieve - so how did Trojan know that Hirohito would not only be spared, avoid trial and not go to prison and become "puppet in the hands of American forces" as reported in Tribunal on Aug 19 if it is not mentioned here?
Too bad only two a-bombs on them. I also believe they got a-bombs because of their uncivilized mindset, that's still going on down there as far as I can see.
I took history lessons like you said by the way, I just disagree in the "only with these bombings and the 200.000 deaths it did we prevented like, other 10 millon deaths of both american and japanese" part. I think it´s simplifying to justify this terrible, massive historic event just to "oh it was the only way to end the war". Perphas it was. I just hope you americans ashame yourselves at least slightly of having done this instead of the typical TAKE THAT JAPAN, THATS FOR PEARL HARBOR attitude
@kriz440 "I just disagree in the 'only with these bombings and the 200.000 deaths'" then please tell us how it would've gone down with out it, then tell how many would die doing that
"I just hope you americans ashame yourselves" nope. I'd be ashamed if the US had the weapons but killed millions in an invasion instead
"TAKE THAT JAPAN, THATS FOR PEARL HARBOR" you say you study history? That shows you don't
Check out the deaths from Saipan, Iwo Jima and Okinawa then think about Kyushu
"Hiroshima and Nagasaki had no civilians. No part of Japan did. Every Japanese was a combatant and a legitimate target". That´s a bit extreme isn´t it? what about children? I believe no nation in WW2 is free from war crimes and atrocities (of course war itself is one but I hope you get my point), it really seems like it was a competition of the superpowers to see who did the nastiest thing...of course Germany won by far in that, but nuking cities is certainly a good shot at it
Nukes on cities with civilians can never be justified I mean, the US could just like, throw them at military places with the least amount of civilians casualties in order to show the world its power and intimidate so Japan surrendered. The fact that the USSR invaded Manchuria also helped more than the bombs themselves to the surrender of Japan. I just can´t believe that people justify nuking not one, but two cities. The US dropped it for other reasons too, other than making Japan surrender
@kriz440 The Japanese started the war because they thought that American did not have the guts to do what it took to end it. Your suggestion would have played right into Hirohito's plans. Hiroshima and Nagasaki had no civilians. No part of Japan did. Every Japanese was a combatant and a legitimate target.
@kriz440 "the US could just like, throw them at military places" cultural differences between the US and Japan of the Showa Era would show that the Japanese would just make sure they had tons of civies around all their military installations
"The fact that the USSR invaded Manchuria" was done on the same day Nagasaki was bombed. Japan knew then that they were friendless and on the ropes
"The US dropped it for other reasons too" such as? If you're going to lay that at our door, say it
@kriz440 Aren't you aware Hiroshima was the hq of the Japanese 2nd General Army under Field Marshal Hata. 43,000 j troops were in the city & 20,000 died in the bombing.
Have you ever taken a history class? The atomic bombs were dropped to end the war. Japan refused to surrender, and it was the only way. Even after the first bomb, they still didnt surrender. We had to drop the bombs, so stop being such pricks and learn your facts.
@sol3a1 Ha, we are nothing but just losers, jealous, and idiots? You know that we have one of the best militaries, right? Get it right, we dropped the bombs to end the war, not to kill the innocent.
@Cooldudeguy6 "Ha, we are nothing but just losers, jealous, and idiots? You know that we have one of the best militaries, right? Get it right, we dropped the bombs to end the war, not to kill the innocent" I agree completely. I'm one stating the bombs were the best of nothing but bad choices
@putratotti You are an ignorant troll. We do not attack with atomic bombs. The last ones that we used were actually, as a matter of fact, in Hiroshima 1945. Even if we did only use guerrilla warfare, that would be something. So how about you learn your facts before posting some stupid comment like that.
@putratotti "USA sissy, they can only be attack with atomic bombs, if they are guerrilla warfare, so they are nothing!!!" what a loser. So what country are you from?
Don't be shy, let us know and we'll go into detail where your country sucks
For all you fools squealing about how evil the US was for doing this... Realize 2 things. A) Japan was prepping their own citizens (women and children included) to engage allied forces had they invaded, which undoubtedly would have resulted in more deaths of our troops.
B) Germany was attempting to build their own atomic bomb, be grateful the US beat them to the punch. Unless, that is, you would all prefer to be of German descent, in which you should be mad.
@cret2000 Look up Japan's Unit 731. This occurred during peacetime, and all research was directed at innocent civilians. After, perhaps you should be more cautious about what country you accuse of being criminals of humanity. Fool.
The fact is, the evils of JFB and HST, and their determination to use the atomic bomb for a disgusting cause, made it clear that they were more like devils than like humans. The Bomb was thus morally and stategically un-justifiable against them, as it was used against the civilians in the cities.
The fact is, the Japanese cruelties, and their determination to fight to the death for a disgusting cause, made it clear that they were more like a plague than like humans. The Bomb was thus morally justified against them, as it would be against an army of mosquitos.
Estimates state up to 200,000 total had died by 1950 from burns, radiation and related disease. From 1950 to 2000, 46% of leukemia deaths and 11% of solid cancer deaths among bomb survivors were due to radiation from the bombs, the statistical excess being estimated to 94 leukemia and 848 solid cancers.
Truman made the decision to recognize the establishment of the State of Israel over the objections of Secretary of State George Marshall, who feared it would hurt relations with the Arab states
"I am sorry, gentlemen, but I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism: I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents."
Doctors infected soldiers, prostitutes, prisoners and mental patients with syphilis and other sexually transmitted diseases, without the informed consent of the subjects, and treated most subjects with antibiotics. This resulted in at least 83 deaths
@onepoundpull Americans have a sort of naive notion that the world can be made perfect, and this is what has sucked America into this Gordian knot of foreign affairs.
@chimak3d "We Chinese and Korean appreciate US ended the WW2, thank you" I like to ask those who wanted a "negotiated ending for no a-bombs" just how many Chinese or Koreans they'd be happy to let die under IJA occupation until Japan actually surrendered
Has anyone ever heard of "Operation Olympic", the plan to invade Japan? The USA anticipated 1,000,000 casualties. The USA had just completed 4 years of war with a determined, suicidal enemy that had attacked them without warning. The A-Bombs saved many many lives - and it took both of them to work. Let's not be suckered with Marxist, revisionist history. America may be seen as a bad guy now, but in 1945 the USA was the savior of the world. Ask someone from Nanking or Korea. Keith in Canada
This country really needs to wake up to the fact that we ARE the assholes the world thinks we are. There's absolutely no question in my mind that WE will be the cause of the destruction of the world, if it comes to that. Before you get your knickers in a twist, by WE, I mean our illustrious Government, not... you... me... joe blow.
@onepoundpull "This country really needs to wake up to the fact that we ARE the assholes the world thinks we are" no more so than any other country in the world. We're more open about it and a press that is one of the freest in the world ensures we are seen, warts and all
"my mind that WE will be the cause of the destruction of the world" and I'm sure that China, Russia and others are really just interested in Earth first, right?
@sol3a1 Are you really that naive to believe that we are the gov't? They have us bullshitted into believing that, but the reality is that we have no reins on the gov't and they are out of control. Pay closer attention son, you sound like another one of their programmed robots.
You do not see Russia or China stepping into every region in the world telling them how to run their lives like the U.S, is so fond of doing.
@onepoundpull If I ran this country there would be no foreign aid to anyone, and no American military outside of America. The Chinese system works very well for them and is traditional; the Middle Kingdom has always thought that the "barbarians," if they wanted to interact with China, must come hat in hand to China for that purpose. The Chinese economy today vastly benefits from this policy.
@onepoundpull "Are you really that naive to believe that we are the gov't?" It isn't naivete it's just the facts. Gov't corrupt? Look at the people they are either uncaring, uneducated or corrupt themselves
"You do not see Russia or China stepping into every region in the world telling them how to run their lives like the U.S, is so fond of doing" you call me naive?
China: check out who pulls Robert Mugabe's strings in Zimbabwe
@onepoundpull I agree the world does think we are assholes. The same world that accepts all our financial aid and protection. We are assholes, let them take care of themselves.
@chimak3d I have no idea what you mean by your statement " They were just business, Japan got the raw material they want." I was responding to another comment.
@MrSammydude123 "in order to save thousands and thousands american soldiers" actually much more than that. The projected Japanese causalities was over 10M in a US invasion. Check Okinawa and Saipan for how many Japanese civies died and how
"we nuked 2 citys full of innocent people" actually there were 3 military HQs and war production there. How is this different than say London, Berlin, Tokyo?
"fucking hypocrits !!!!!!" if US wanted to really screw Japan, we would've invaded
@sol3a1 Hiroshima was not bombed because of any military there or war production. The main war producton factories were on outskirts and the orders were not to move the aiming point of city center to take in war factories. If it was an important target because of military or war production it would have been bombed earlier. There were more military HQ far more important that weren't bombed like the one that planned the Kyushu defense and in command and control of all forces if the battle began.
@1Dougy85 "Hiroshima was not bombed because of any military there or war production" not just, but they were there
As to "better targets" for war and military yes but they'd been hit previously. I've no doubt one of the reasons H was on the short list was due to it not been hit previously. Tactics like that are not new to military strategies
@MrSammydude123 Hiroshima was the headquarters of the Japanese 2nd General Army under Field Marshal Hata. 43,000 j troops were in the city & 20,000 died in the bombing.
@Shers31 "SHUT UP YANKEE COWARD!!" he shouts from behind the anonymity of his keyboard who knows where. Yup a brave little warrior we have here
"YOU COUNTRY RECEIVE MUCH BOMBS OF IRAN AND DISSAPER!!" um, check again. Besides hot air and empty threats, I doubt Iran's leadership can deliver even a decent bowel movement anywhere save the "Square of Martyrs"
"USA PAY FOR ALL CRIMES IN THE HISTORY" wow, so in our 235+ year history, the US is responsible for all the ills of the world? Wow
@MrSammydude123 Has anyone ever heard of "Operation Olympic", the plan to invade Japan? The USA anticipated 1,000,000 casualties. The USA had just completed 4 years of war with a determined, suicidal enemy that had attacked them without warning. The A-Bombs saved many many lives - and it took both of them to work. Let's not be suckered with Marxist, revisionist history. America may be seen as a bad guy now, but in 1945 the USA was the savior of the world. Ask someone from Nanking or Korea.
It saved lives.
jjabroni56 11 hours ago
Japs asked for it! Stupid dirty Japs underestimated the U.S, well it happens when deluded shitty country underestimates the powerful country the United States of America.Too fucking bad and blame their own ignorance.
vinsmack5 15 hours ago
@vinsmack5 Asked for it? Everyone wants to go to Heaven but nobody wants to die
DeathMetalSnoopy 14 hours ago
Japan's emperor was CONSIDERING surrender and lobbying for negotiations, his generals rejected any such consideration, even after 120000+ died in firebomb raids on Tokyo.
Invasion projections were for 7 million killed in action, fighting every step of the way. Kamikaze attacks certainly bore out that notion.
However, no negotiations were ever started until AFTER Nagasaki was bombed.
Afirdaus068, the job of the US government is to look out for US interests, not other nations.
spvillano 23 hours ago
@afirdaus have you not heard of the horrendous crimes japan had been doing? especially war crimes? and with 6,000 deaths a day on average, 70,000 people would have died in 10-12 days as it was. the bombs were an act of mercy, to both japan, and america, as well as the rest of asia.
LULZORZXXX 1 day ago
1:41 : In order to save the lives of thousands and thousands of young americans.... They didn't care about other people, they all care about their asses, like today.
afirdaus068 1 day ago
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@afirdaus068 "In order to save the lives of thousands and thousands of young americans" and what do you expect during a war?
"They didn't care about other people" really? The US didn't go to the aid of England, France, Australia even China and more?
"they all care about their asses, like today" and your country is? Whose asses does your country care for?
sol3a1 1 day ago
America has to be the most disgusting place on our planet for doing this to such a beautiful place and people
natskyle72 1 day ago
@natskyle72: I think places in Korea, China, Philippines, Singapore, Guam and many more along with the people there are pretty beautiful too. So what name are you going to call the Japanese for despoiling the land and slaughtered them?
sol3a1 1 day ago
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majorgeeek 1 day ago
Also, maggot, inbred pigs, please note that Nagasaki was actually meant for factories, creating new suicidal, fuck-tard, death traps like the Type97s. The fact that you maggots don't know that scares me! Let's hope this asshole dies. (Faggot who made the vid. HAH!)
Tyco200 2 days ago
Also? Yes. America did create a lot of problems.
1. Helping the soviet pig get higher, with 150,000 AFVs, clothes, foods and oils, all but to slaughter and rape 2.5 million women in their OWN NATION and create the cold war, letting the Russians nearly "turn Germany into a medieval state, where countries get free pieces of." (Stalin proposed this.)
2. Actually protect the Japs from the Soveits after WWII.
Tyco200 2 days ago
Is this fucking pig really making vids like this? Hey, cunt bad, please note that those bestiality liking, racist, primitive, inferior, have-no-fire-control that is even close on any BB to an American BB and a pig-raised army maggots would fight to the end, were handing weapons to old women, gave knives to children and would've killed a million on each side. Kill 100,000 brainwashed, nuts to save a million, then FEED, CLOTH and PROTECT from Bolsehvik, Russian, PIGS of the North.
Tyco200 2 days ago
Check out C.I.A. implication in the militairy documentaires and the C.I.A. implications with the nazis in operation paperclip...;
xerato3 2 days ago
Does December 7, 1941 ring a bell to the arm chair generals who think the USA shouldn't have nuked Japan? Japan declared war on the USA and got what it deserved by being nuked twice. Anyone opposed to the dropping of these bombs would change their attitude had they known they'd be on the front line during any invasion of Japan. It's too bad the USA didn't have the bomb ready to have dropped on Germany right in middle of Hitler's Berlin bunker.
OU812ICRUNVS 3 days ago
@OU812ICRUNVS "Does December 7, 1941 ring a bell" - how many hundreds of thousands of Jap civilians have to die to balance the 62 US civilian deaths at PH?
majorgeeek 3 days ago
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@majorgeeek "'Does December 7, 1941 ring a bell' - how many hundreds of thousands of Jap civilians have to die to balance the 62 US civilian deaths at PH?" for the learning impaired aka geekboy:
Japan's attack on Pearl started the war between Japan and the US. The reason for the bombs was to not kill 10M or more Japanese during an invasion of Kyushu
Have any non-anecdotal evidence showing that Japan would've surrendered with less loss of life for all? PM Suzuki showed otherwise
sol3a1 3 days ago
@majorgeeek
Who started WW2??? Japan declared war on the USA. Japan got what it deserved. You talk about Japanese civilians having to die. These civilians would have died for the Emperor. They would have taken as many Allied soldiers as they could have given the chance. You need to talk to a veteran who served and fought against the Japanese and let them tell you what they saw the Japanese soldiers did. You'd whistle a different tune then! Read history and learn something!
OU812ICRUNVS 3 days ago
there was an argument going on within the japanese military command in tokyo as to the number of bombs the US had. the prevailing argument was only one,and they should fight on.news of the Nagasaki attack came during discussions.Even this didnt sway the military to surrender.It was The russian declaration of war on Japan that was the final straw .And at this time the Japanese army was holding Hirohito captive, as he favored surrender.warlords essentially held Japan captive.
bobbyearl60 4 days ago
God obviously wanted radiation and Asians to mix. Why else would he send a tsunami to give the smack down on that nuclear plant?
BringTheNoise1 5 days ago
yeah silvache83 america doesent enslave countries.just butch them up.
quellhas 5 days ago
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@quellhas "yeah silvache83 america doesent enslave countries.just butch them up" The king was the Soviets. Check out how the maps were redrawn after that
sol3a1 5 days ago
Why China? Why phillipines? Why Indonesia? Why singapore? Why malaya? Why Korea? Why pearl harbour? Why rape on nanking? Why bataam death march? Why sook ching massacre? Thats just a small list of attrocities japan commited. China alone had 12 million people killed by japan
TheCriton 5 days ago
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claw2432 5 days ago
there is no difference between the nazis and the americans both killed innocent people to win the war
Silvache83 6 days ago
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@Silvache83 "there is no difference between the nazis and the americans both killed innocent people to win the war" I guess then the Japanese and Germans and Soviets and the UK and Filipinos and Canadians and Australians and Kiwis and every other country that ever did anything is guilty too
Yup, that's right, we're all humans and all of us have relatives that killed or were killed at one time or another
What you refuse to say is how many in Japan alone would've died by invasion
sol3a1 5 days ago
@Silvache83 Really? Any country the Japanese conquered became a J colony/ slave state.
When MacArthur got to Japan, he found it on the verge of famine. He cabled DC "Send me food or send me bullets" Millions of tons of US grain averted mass starvation
kentamitchell 5 days ago
What USA did can never be justified. I will never forgive them for what they have done. It kills me to watch this and know that USA nd Japan alliance is one of the strongest in the world now. Why cruel world....why?
feerfeerw 6 days ago
@feerfeerw "What USA did can never be justified" when the alternative is invasion where Japan's military was having school girls train with bamboo spears to kill allied troops so there'd be no difference between a civilian and military, yes, it is justified
"It kills me to watch this and know that USA nd Japan alliance" ever heard of "saving someone from themselves"? That is what the US basically did with Japan
sol3a1 5 days ago
@sol3a1 "when the alternative is invasion where Japan's military was having school girls train with bamboo spears to kill allied troops" - are you implying US marines were too cowardly to invade Japan? and you saying you can justify nuclear terrorism against civilians because Japanese school girls were armed with sticks? - your logic seems redundant - and it didn't stop the US invading Korea or Vietnam or the subsequent US Marine and enemy losses without the use of nuclear bombs
majorgeeek 5 days ago
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@majorgeeek: when you respond with "are you implying US marines were too cowardly to invade Japan?" to my post of "when the alternative is invasion where Japan's military was having school girls train with bamboo spears to kill allied troops" that just shows the US is incapable of ever doing anything right in you eyes
With your worldview so skewed any attempt of a rational discussions with you is impossible. Deep seated prejudice such as yours needs professional help
sol3a1 5 days ago
@majorgeeek "you saying you can justify nuclear terrorism against civilians because Japanese school girls were armed with sticks?" Not at all but you're too irrational to see that such a population, if invaded, would have a significant portion killed off
Instead of 200k deaths, the deaths would be millions, some Japanese military leaders believed as high as 20M Japanese dead from an invasion
"your logic seems redundant" and you're logic is non-existant
sol3a1 5 days ago
@sol3a1 "200 k deaths" ? try 500+ k inc radiation deaths excluding conventional bombing deaths
- analysts also believe Japan would have folded after a short overwhelming battle if invaded
- your figure 20 mill is a totally irrational - Vietnam War civilian+soldier deaths 1.1 million against 60k USA acceptable without using atom bombs
-stick to your "Japanese school girls armed with sticks" theory scared off the US invasion or just be honest just say you support war terrorism
majorgeeek 4 days ago
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@majorgeeek "try 500+ k inc radiation deaths excluding conventional bombing deaths" can you back that up or did you have a doctor with a flashlight pull that out
"analysts also believe Japan would have folded after a short overwhelming battle if invaded" who? even still, how many would die? What about "fanatical spots"? Germany was beaten but Berlin cost how many loves?
"your figure 20 mill is a totally irrational" not mine, but how many in Okinawa?
sol3a1 4 days ago
@majorgeeek "stick to your "Japanese school girls armed with sticks" theory scared off the US invasion" not afraid, just would hate killing girls
"just be honest just say you support war terrorism" no but you seem to like killing and deaths. Why don't you admit that you've no clue and sink to even more and more desperate ploys to make and keep your strawman alive
sol3a1 4 days ago
@majorgeeek "and it didn't stop the US invading Korea or Vietnam or the subsequent US Marine and enemy losses without the use of nuclear bombs" which are not part of the discussion
You have trouble staying on topic and must borrow from other areas to try to build a big enough strawman to attempt a point
OBTW, Chinese backed N Korea invaded S Korea and the same with Vietnam. The US didn't invade to invade but as a response to Soviet/Chinese backed invaders
You're clueless
sol3a1 5 days ago
@majorgeeek geekboy continues to hit new lows. Never did bother to do a bit of fact checking on the Macmemo at the MacArthur museum, did you?
kentamitchell 5 days ago
@kentamitchell General MacArthur "The war might have ended weeks earlier if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor." The Pathology of Power, pg. 65 - I hope the original Memorandum does not fall into your pathological possession or the hands of any other bent terrorist
majorgeeek 4 days ago
@majorgeeek "Pathology of Power" doesn't show when the quote was from. It is known that when Truman DID change from "Surrender of Japan" to "Surrender of Japan's Military" at Potsdam, PM Suzuki use the Japanese word meaning "to kill with silent contempt"
It was a week before Hiroshima but we can already see that Japan's misreading of the US, suing for peace after Pear to "just needing a serious loss" to lose heart and give Japan very favorable terms
"pathological" describes you
sol3a1 4 days ago
@majorgeeek "'General MacArthur "The war might have ended weeks earlier if the United States had agreed'"
Just for you Geek: /watch?v=3XL2butbKs4
Seems that PM Suzuki had other ideas and though MacArthur may have been led to believe one thing Japan's leadership during the war had other ideas
Quote others all you want, but the real story's from those making the decisions in Japan during the war
Where did "Pathology of Power" get that quote? Your quote's the only place I found it
sol3a1 4 days ago
@sol3a1 Are you familiar with geekboy's purchase of the Brooklyn Bridge. 8/19/45 A Chicagio Tribune writer named Walter Trohan claimed that 1/45 MacArthur forwarded a 40 page memo from J govt offering to surrender on 1 condition (E remains figurehead) So I called the MacArthur museum archivist in Norfolk Virginia. They've heard the story, but don't have the memo. (Sasquatch stole their last copy)
kentamitchell 4 days ago
@kentamitchell: Yeah, I heard geekie tell that story too. Funny how when asked to back it up, he can never seem to reproduce any claim. Actually I heard it was Nessie that stole it
Why are they always like geekie or like the one I'm arguing with now on "Barefoot Gen" on how it is "Exactly like 11th of September"
sol3a1 4 days ago
@sol3a1 Norman Cousins writes of his conversations with MacArthur, "When I asked Gen MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted" and "that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb. The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor." N Cousins,Pathology of Power, pg. 65 - conforms his memorandum
majorgeeek 3 days ago
@majorgeeek "Norman Cousins writes of his conversations with MacArthur, 'When I asked Gen MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted'" not all commanders are especially on new weapons, your point?
"N Cousins,Pathology of Power, pg. 65 - conforms his memorandum" that's the only place its seen. It came out AFTER MacArthur died so there's no way it can be confirmed
Cousins had his own agenda, no collaboration so it means zip
sol3a1 3 days ago
@sol3a1 "Japanese school girls armed with sticks scared off the US invasion", "not afraid, just would hate killing girls" - the US mass murdered hundreds of thousands of unarmed women and children in atomic attacks & terror bombings - Albert Einstein said that he was sure that Roosevelt would have forbidden the atomic bombing of Hiroshima had he been alive and that it was probably carried out to end the Pacific war before Russia could participate - proves Albert is lot smarter than you
majorgeeek 3 days ago
@majorgeeek "he US mass murdered hundreds of thousands of unarmed women and children in atomic attacks & terror bombings" what strategic bombing had no civilians die in the cities that were bombed?
I don't like it but remember the US didn't start it. Strategic bombing was part of total war. Germany bombed and then was bombed, same with Japan. Civies died in all of them
"Albert Einstein said" more argument from authority. Was Einstein in the middle of the negotiations? No
sol3a1 3 days ago
@kentamitchell I suggest you bring up the macmemo topic at your next jihad meeting or try and find Sasquatch or lay off the weed for a spell -
majorgeeek 3 days ago
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@majorgeeek "I suggest you bring up the macmemo topic at your next jihad meeting or try and find Sasquatch or lay off the weed for a spell" perhaps you can actually present evidence that Japan's leaders were looking to surrender, not keep what they had
Of course you have to go to ad homs as you have no real argument to use. As for Albert being smarter than I, in physics and science - absolutely. Then again I won't let Albert do my taxes nor operate on me. He's not trained there
sol3a1 3 days ago
@majorgeeek "I suggest you bring up the macmemo topic at your next jihad" and I suggest you bring up something like oh, evidence, not quotes from authorities who've no experience with the diplomacy at the time nor anecdotal and non-collaborated discussions between people who are dead and can't confirm what was stated and activists who would say anything due to their agenda
Thanks in advance
sol3a1 3 days ago
@sol3a1 "US didn't start it. Strategic bombing was part of total war." - strategic bombing of civilians as opposed to military targets is not war - the deliberate targeting of civilians in war is morally and legally unacceptable irrespective of "who started it" - Hiroshima became the model of mass destruction, psychological warfare and terrorism adopted by US as well as bin Laden in 9/11
majorgeeek 2 days ago
@majorgeeek "strategic bombing of civilians as opposed to military targets is not war - the deliberate targeting of civilians in war is morally and legally unacceptable irrespective" when cities are targeted, as Tokyo and others were, civilians die. As there were 3 Military HQs and war production in H, that was strategic bombing
Japan's responsible for putting civies in harm's way
"bin Laden in 9/11" yet more disjointed connection. Was the US at war with a country before 9/11?
sol3a1 2 days ago
@sol3a1 "Was Einstein in the middle of the negotiations?" - Truman's demands for unconditional surrender and deliberate aloofness were all well known - there were no negotiations with Japan - and the eventual surrender was also not unconditional - Truman ignored Einstein, Los Alamos scientists, US intelligence, peace feelers and every authority set against dropping the bomb - Einstein arguably the smartest man on the planet was not wrong about Truman
majorgeeek 2 days ago
@majorgeeek "Truman's demands for unconditional surrender and deliberate aloofness were all well known" good thing he changed his tune on 26 July as he offered terms of "Japan's Military to Surrender"
Terms for Japan were same as Germany's. Do you think we should've had other than Unconditional Surrender for Germany?
Many oscientists wanted to use the bomb on Germany and some JUST Germany as they saw Hitler and Nazis as their only enemy. Still some didn't object using it on Japan
sol3a1 2 days ago
@sol3a1 "not all commanders are especially on new weapons, your point? "?? - be real MacArthur knew what an atomic bomb was and he should have been briefed and consulted about using it on Hiroshima - it proves Truman's cabal sidelined anyone who was against the bombings including sideling their own great General MacArthur the Supreme Commander of the Pacific War - who said he "saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb."
majorgeeek 2 days ago
@majorgeeek "be real MacArthur knew what an atomic bomb was and he should have been briefed and consulted about using it on Hiroshima" where he was or wasn't is immaterial. What is known is everything you stated about MacArthur has not been collaborated
"saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb" when did he say that and who did he say it to? Who else heard it?
Back it up or realize you don't know WTF you're talking about
sol3a1 2 days ago
@sol3a1 Norman Cousins writes of his conversations with MacArthur, "When I asked General MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted. What, I asked, would his advice have been? He replied that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb." Pathology of Power - therefore your comment "everything you stated about MacArthur has not been collaborated" is uncorroborated nonsense unless you call him a lier
majorgeeek 1 day ago
@majorgeeek - When was the book published? Who else heard the interview? Why don't you answer those?
Again geek, I don't doubt that Japan would've surrendered without the bombs. I also think that the death toll would be far higher from starvation, disease and being killed as some invasion would've been done
What MacArthur believed is contradicted by what V Adm Ugaki wrote in his diaries (which are real) and PM Suzuki's response to Truman by Mokusatsu to military surrender of Japan
sol3a1 1 day ago
@sol3a1 details of the book Pathology of Power are freely available on the net, Norman Cousins an American political journalist, author, professor, and world peace advocate has written many books and is a reputable author - he refers to his direct conversations with MacArthur - have you any evidence that suggests he was lying ?
majorgeeek 1 day ago
@majorgeeek "details of the book Pathology of Power are freely available on the net" then it shouldn't be hard for you to ref your own posts
"Norman Cousins" was dead set against violence, especially the bombs. Easy to do when your ass isn't on the front lines
"reputable author" appeal to authority. I've asked you to back up when the quote was made, who else was there and when it was published
Simple questions you refuse to answer. As PM Suzuki and V Adm Ugaki show Mac was wrong
sol3a1 1 day ago
@majorgeeek: If you tell me Mrs. "X" is going to make pumpkin pie Mrs. "X" says she's going to make pecan pie, who should I believe?
If Mac said the Japanese were going to surrender (from implication soon) yet the PM and many military leaders say otherwise, who should you believe?
I'm sure the Japanese would've surrendered without the bomb, after starvation, disease, more conventional attacks and even allied troops killed millions of Japanese
There's still IJA in China, Korea.....
sol3a1 1 day ago
@sol3a1"I'm sure the Japanese would've surrendered without the bomb, after starvation, disease, more conventional attacks and even allied troops killed millions of Japanese" - you cannot be sure since your opinion is total conjecture - the Japs could have surrendered at any time - in fact the Japs could have surrendered earlier if Truman had not insisted on unconditional surrender - there is no justification for strategic bombing of civilians - you are trying to justify mass murder
majorgeeek 1 day ago
@majorgeeek "you cannot be sure since your opinion is total conjecture" actually mine pulls from what was known from the fighting before and how Japan was willing to sacrifice 25% of Okinawa's population
Then we've Mac's public statement, ie not heard only by some peace at all cost activist without anyone else to confirm, about "Send me bread or Bullets". Japan's militarists would've still been in charge and preparing for an invasion, hence production goes from food to war
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sol3a1 1 day ago
@majorgeeek Part 2
As to why Japan's leaders would've kept fighting, they'd be emboldened by what they heard from Truman and believed what they wanted to all along: The US would sue for peace once the fighting got too tough. We do know and have confirmation that PM Suzuki thought that
Lies Japan's militarists have been telling seems to be true. Japan is still cut off from food imports from China and Korea. We know that with malnutrition comes disease and more suffering
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sol3a1 1 day ago
@majorgeeek Part 3
After a while as talks to occupy Japan and war criminals drag on (shouldn't Japan get the same conditions as Germany?) US announces that attacks will resume. Japan's leaders would expect something like that but feel they just have to "maintain the course, out wait and deal another "bloody nose" to the US"
Japan is able to defend itself, to a point, but it becomes obvious to the allies that Japan was just stalling. Outraged the allies plan invasion
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sol3a1 1 day ago
@majorgeeek Part 4
There, all logical and from well known and confirmed sources on what Japan's leaders were planning. It doesn't include any deaths in China and Korea or truly innocent people, namely the peasants there
If you want, please show where I've made a mistake and be specific as you're prone to say anything that just doesn't mesh with your rosey world view is wrong with no evidence to back you ass up
"Japs could have surrendered earlier" Truman did lower them
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sol3a1 1 day ago
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@majorgeeek Part 5
And PM Suzuki rebuffed them. How can you expect that Japan would've surrendered and under what terms?
"there is no justification for strategic bombing of civilians" if you're targeting only civies you'd be correct but cities with war production and military HQs in them, those are targets that the leaders deliberately put in civilian areas
"you are trying to justify mass murder" nope it is what it is. That it conflicts with your Pollyanish POV is your issue
sol3a1 1 day ago
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@sol3a1 " If you tell me Mrs. "X" is going to make pumpkin pie Mrs. "X" says she's going to make pecan pie, who should I believe?" - MacArthur because he told Norman Cousins he was against the atomic bomb, which is what Cousins wrote unless of course you have proper contradictory evidence besides your usual half baked conjecture
majorgeeek 1 day ago
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@majorgeeek: After Nagasaki. V Adm. Ugaki from his diary "Fading Victory" wrote this. It gives a good ideal how far he'd go
"Even though it becomes impossible for us to continue organized resistance after expending our strength, we must continue guerrilla warfare under the emperor and never give up the war. When this resolution is brought home, we can't be defeated. Instead, we can make the enemy finally give up the war after making it taste the bitterness of a prolonged conflict"
sol3a1 1 day ago
@sol3a1 "not all commanders are especially on new weapons, your point? " - your unreferenced implication why MacArthur was not briefed or consulted about Hiroshima is a folly - Truman's cabal sidelined anyone who dissented with their policy making included MacArthur who was against the atomic bomb - Yamamoto got sidelined when he showed resistance to attack on PH - Colin Power was sidelined when he opposed the invasion of Iraq - John Dower, Cultures of War
majorgeeek 1 day ago
@majorgeeek "your unreferenced implication why MacArthur was not briefed or consulted about Hiroshima is a folly" nope it is how something worked
"Truman's cabal sidelined anyone who dissented with their policy making included MacArthur who was against the atomic bomb" conjecture as you haven't shown Mac was against the Bomb but he was to use on China
"Yamamoto got sidelined when he showed resistance to attack on PH" yet he was Fleet commander until he died
You're clueless
sol3a1 1 day ago
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@sol3a1"I suggest you bring up something like oh, evidence" this is coming from someone who says "Japanese school girls armed with sticks scared off the US invasion", and "not afraid, just would hate killing girls" when in fact Hiroshima & Nagasaki evidenced the mass murder of ten's of thousands of girls, women and children is myopic and totally devoid of any sense let alone evidence - how would you like it if they were your kids??
majorgeeek 2 days ago
@sol3a1 just as a point of evidential interest, given MacArthur's obvious willingness to use nuclear weapons to win wars, as was displayed in the Korean War, we should place extra weight on his belief that Japan would have surrendered without them.
majorgeeek 2 days ago
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@majorgeeek "just as a point of evidential interest, given MacArthur's obvious willingness to use nuclear weapons to win wars" if that's true then it's more likely he was in favor of them on Japan
Unless you can actually show otherwise with collaborated material and not something published AFTER he died and couldn't confirm it
Geekboy I do believe Japan would have surrendered with out the bombs, after millions in Japan starved to death and how many more killed in China and Korea
sol3a1 2 days ago
@majorgeeek Jihad? Not many of us atheists believe in 'jihad', geekboy.
kentamitchell 3 days ago
@kentamitchell Davis Congressional resolution proves Hirohito was not immune from prosecution - MacArthur was the supreme commander in Japan empowered to make the final decision about Hirohito which he did on 30 Nov - so Hirohito's fate was still unknown - point is how did Trohan know on 19 Aug Hirohito would become immune from prosecution and be US puppet? - Potsdam had no such guarantees - in fact Japan's surrender was modeled on the MacMemo unless you can prove otherwise
majorgeeek 2 days ago
@majorgeeek "Davis Congressional resolution proves Hirohito was not immune from prosecution - MacArthur was the supreme commander in Japan empowered to make the final decision about Hirohito which he did on 30 Nov" that is true. MacArthur knew he needed something to focus Japan's attention on and have "1 more thing they could lose" if they didn't behave
"in fact Japan's surrender was modeled on the MacMemo unless you can prove otherwise" you state it, you show the evidence
sol3a1 2 days ago
@majorgeeek Again with the MacMemo. I guess you've never heard of Occam's razor.
The Macmemo (Trohan's fabrication) stated that J govt offered to surrender w/hirohito as a figurehead (that's in Jan'45) July '45 when Sato urged Togo to offer surrender w/1 term- Togo rejected the advice and AFTER H&N J govt's 1st formal reply to PD was they accepted provided E kept his perogatives as "sovereign ruler"
J govt offered better terms 1/45 than they did 6 months later?
kentamitchell 1 day ago
@kentamitchell "J govt offered better terms 1/45 than they did 6 months later? " - more reason for condemning FDR for not accepting them before Yalta - it would have prevented the need for the Japs having to prove their commitment to their Emperor at Iwo Jima and Okinawa and prevented the US becoming the first modern instance of terrorist bombings of civilian populations using nuclear weapons
majorgeeek 1 day ago
@majorgeeek "more reason for condemning FDR for not accepting them before Yalta" both sides of your mouth. Didn't you state earlier that Einstein was SURE FDR wouldn't approve the bomb?
OBTW, where's your evidence? Post it or be shown to be nothing but a pseudo intellectual poseur with no clue, honesty or scruples
sol3a1 1 day ago
@sol3a1"I'm sure the Japanese would've surrendered without the bomb, after starvation, disease, more conventional attacks and even allied troops killed millions of Japanese" - is conjecture and does not justify using the atomic bomb on civilians - FDR did not discuss the atom bomb at Yalta - he died before Alamogordo and yes Einstein was sure FDR would not have approved the atom bomb if he had lived
"pseudo intellectual poseur with no clue, honesty or scruples" describes you
majorgeeek 1 day ago
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@majorgeeek "is conjecture and does not justify using the atomic bomb on civilians" and I went step, by step on why and how using the evidence that is not just available but available from multiple sources, unlike your fantasies
Again you just dismiss without showing why so I will take it you can't and my points stand, despite your cluelessness to the contrary
"Einstein was sure FDR" yet you go and say "reasons to hate FDR" Einstein said is not as important as PM Suzuki's quote
sol3a1 1 day ago
@majorgeeek "pseudo intellectual poseur with no clue, honesty or scruples" describes you to a "T"
Have you been able to show any independent confirmation on what Mac said to what's his face? NO
Are you able to show why Japan would've surrendered as it was shown after Truman DID go from Japan's unconditional to military surrender that Japan's government thought they'd out wait as they believed the US was unable to continue? NO
Can you show anything to back your posts up? NO
poseur
sol3a1 1 day ago
@majorgeeek: Okay geek, present your evidence that Japan was looking to surrender AND the terms of that surrender in Jan 1945
I don't want to read what somebody "thinks" but what Japan's leaders (as they'd be the ones who'd decide to surrender) were doing
Take into account what was known, how the Imperial High Command from day 1 of their war with the US believed the US was weak willed and would sue for peace
Also take into account that when Truman did relax the terms what happened
sol3a1 1 day ago
@sol3a1 there is no evidence in your pro terrorism verbiage that justifies US deliberately targeting civilians - bin Laden adopted the US code of terror and psychological weapon " bin Laden was planning to carry out a Hiroshima" prof J Dower, Culture of War
'Truman did relax the terms what happened' - July'45 non diplomatic leaflet droplets? - demanded 'unconditional surrender" & vague on the Emperor - confused the Japs even more
Einstein was not wrong about the bomb and FDR
majorgeeek 21 hours ago
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@majorgeeek "there is no evidence in your pro terrorism verbiage that justifies US deliberately targeting civilians" good thing as I 'd never support just targeting civies
"bin Laden adopted" I can't help if nutter decides to use incorrect terms. Like YEC who call it "Creation Science" just because someone uses the word incorrectly doesn't change the real meaning
"demanded 'unconditional surrender" & vague on the Empero" nope it demanded Japan's military to surrender
sol3a1 8 hours ago
@majorgeeek "confused the Japs even more" then why did they not ask for more information? If they truly were interested in surrender, they would've asked
Instead they shelved it and stonewalled as they did for months prior
sol3a1 7 hours ago
@majorgeeek *Sigh* OK, I'm dealing with a reeeeeeally slow learner. FDR never received any offer from J govt 1/45. When Hoover asked MacArthur about the 'Macmemo', MacArthur declined to confirm that it existed. Call the MacArthur museum in Norfolk.
kentamitchell 1 day ago
@kentamitchell MacArthur always declined to comment to the press neither confirm or deny - defending the action of Hiroshima kentamitchell has aligned himself to the code of terror and psychological warfare same as al Qaeda & 9/11
majorgeeek 23 hours ago
@majorgeeek "MacArthur always declined to comment to the press neither confirm or deny" You do know he was the leader of Japan? He had to be a politician
As the defacto dictator of Japan from '45 to '52 if he said "Yeah, I thought it was great to nuke 'em" it wouldn't be a good idea to say trying to pacify Japan
Mac at the end most likely had real empathy for Japan and like everyone wonder "was there a better way?"
Choice though wasn't for the US, PM Suzuki made it with mokusatsu
sol3a1 21 hours ago
@sol3a1 given MacArthur's obvious willingness to use nuclear weapons to win wars, as in the Korean War, you should place extra weight on his belief that Japan would have surrendered without them.
Suzuki's mokusatsu had several different meanings - Sakomizu later said it meant "no comment" - despite the statement Truman knew the Japs were still trying surrender - Suzuki's press conf July 28 "wanting to end the war quickly" Horohito sided with Suzuki, Togo & Yonai - D Wainstock
majorgeeek 20 hours ago
@majorgeeek "given MacArthur's obvious willingness to use nuclear weapons" on Red Chinese and after he had lived and "guided" Japan. Try again
"his belief that Japan would have surrendered" as I'm sure Japan wou;d've surrendered without them too, after millions died of starvation or worse
"Suzuki's mokusatsu had several different meanings" wow, you are obtuse and desperate here. Suzuki wanted even better terms so mokusatsu's meaning of "to kill by silence" is correct
sol3a1 8 hours ago
@majorgeeek: By declaring mokusatsu, Suzuki was waiting for even better terms, negotiations only based on their belief the US was unwilling or unable in some way to continue the war
Mokusastu doesn't mean rejection, and nobody said it does. It would be the same as offering so much cash for a car and having the salesman fold his arms and look at you without saying a thing
But that is a fact that Japan believed the US didn't have the nerve and that was a fatal mistake
You lose again
sol3a1 8 hours ago
@majorgeeek "despite the statement Truman knew the Japs were still trying surrender" That's a flat out lie
Japan was trying to negotiate a ceasefire, not surrender. Truman knew Japan sent ambassadors to the USSR to get them to at least stay neutral and possibly get them to ally with them
Again you say lots of crap with no evidence. Come on geek, show us your evidence that Sato was sent to surrender and get terms for it
Or admit that you really are clueless
sol3a1 7 hours ago
@majorgeeek Geekboy, Davis resoultion proves jack shit. The US reply toJ's acceptance of Potsdam Declaration clearly stated hirohito & J govt was subject tothe Supreme Allied Commander. (MacArthur)
Don't you know that the US Constitution prescribes Bills of Attainder??? Of course not, geekboy.
kentamitchell 1 day ago
@kentamitchell "The authority of the Emperor and the Japanese Government to rule the state shall be subject to the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers who will take such steps as he deems proper to effectuate these terms of surrender." no guarantees of a reprieve - so how did Trojan know that Hirohito would not only be spared, avoid trial and not go to prison and become "puppet in the hands of American forces" as reported in Tribunal on Aug 19 if it is not mentioned here?
majorgeeek 1 day ago
@majorgeeek Geekboy, why don't you try calling the MacArthur museum yourself- or won't your mommy let you call long distance?
Not even MacArthur claimed that 'memo' Trohan refered to was genuine.
kentamitchell 3 days ago
I'm crying. fuck Truman...moron...
Waterfall714 6 days ago
Too bad only two a-bombs on them. I also believe they got a-bombs because of their uncivilized mindset, that's still going on down there as far as I can see.
vinsmack5 6 days ago
I took history lessons like you said by the way, I just disagree in the "only with these bombings and the 200.000 deaths it did we prevented like, other 10 millon deaths of both american and japanese" part. I think it´s simplifying to justify this terrible, massive historic event just to "oh it was the only way to end the war". Perphas it was. I just hope you americans ashame yourselves at least slightly of having done this instead of the typical TAKE THAT JAPAN, THATS FOR PEARL HARBOR attitude
kriz440 6 days ago
@kriz440 "I just disagree in the 'only with these bombings and the 200.000 deaths'" then please tell us how it would've gone down with out it, then tell how many would die doing that
"I just hope you americans ashame yourselves" nope. I'd be ashamed if the US had the weapons but killed millions in an invasion instead
"TAKE THAT JAPAN, THATS FOR PEARL HARBOR" you say you study history? That shows you don't
Check out the deaths from Saipan, Iwo Jima and Okinawa then think about Kyushu
sol3a1 6 days ago
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"Hiroshima and Nagasaki had no civilians. No part of Japan did. Every Japanese was a combatant and a legitimate target". That´s a bit extreme isn´t it? what about children? I believe no nation in WW2 is free from war crimes and atrocities (of course war itself is one but I hope you get my point), it really seems like it was a competition of the superpowers to see who did the nastiest thing...of course Germany won by far in that, but nuking cities is certainly a good shot at it
kriz440 6 days ago
account.
originallove911 6 days ago
@kentamitchell let us show your accdnunt, by the way.
originallove911 6 days ago
@kentamitchell watch. youtube.com/watch?v=HxoKYA3aeVs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
originallove911 6 days ago
Nukes on cities with civilians can never be justified I mean, the US could just like, throw them at military places with the least amount of civilians casualties in order to show the world its power and intimidate so Japan surrendered. The fact that the USSR invaded Manchuria also helped more than the bombs themselves to the surrender of Japan. I just can´t believe that people justify nuking not one, but two cities. The US dropped it for other reasons too, other than making Japan surrender
kriz440 6 days ago
@kriz440 The Japanese started the war because they thought that American did not have the guts to do what it took to end it. Your suggestion would have played right into Hirohito's plans. Hiroshima and Nagasaki had no civilians. No part of Japan did. Every Japanese was a combatant and a legitimate target.
Albacorewing 6 days ago
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@kriz440 "the US could just like, throw them at military places" cultural differences between the US and Japan of the Showa Era would show that the Japanese would just make sure they had tons of civies around all their military installations
"The fact that the USSR invaded Manchuria" was done on the same day Nagasaki was bombed. Japan knew then that they were friendless and on the ropes
"The US dropped it for other reasons too" such as? If you're going to lay that at our door, say it
sol3a1 6 days ago
@kriz440 Aren't you aware Hiroshima was the hq of the Japanese 2nd General Army under Field Marshal Hata. 43,000 j troops were in the city & 20,000 died in the bombing.
kentamitchell 6 days ago
Have you ever taken a history class? The atomic bombs were dropped to end the war. Japan refused to surrender, and it was the only way. Even after the first bomb, they still didnt surrender. We had to drop the bombs, so stop being such pricks and learn your facts.
Cooldudeguy6 6 days ago
@Cooldudeguy6 "Have you ever taken a history class?" seems that they take classes on "no matter what, the US is wrong, regardless"
If the US saves 100k people, then why didn't the US save 110k? Obviously it is because we didn't like {insert group here} so we let them die
They are nothing but losers who are either jealous or just idiots
sol3a1 6 days ago
@sol3a1 Ha, we are nothing but just losers, jealous, and idiots? You know that we have one of the best militaries, right? Get it right, we dropped the bombs to end the war, not to kill the innocent.
Cooldudeguy6 6 days ago
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@Cooldudeguy6 "Ha, we are nothing but just losers, jealous, and idiots? You know that we have one of the best militaries, right? Get it right, we dropped the bombs to end the war, not to kill the innocent" I agree completely. I'm one stating the bombs were the best of nothing but bad choices
sol3a1 5 days ago
USA sissy, they can only be attack with atomic bombs, if they are guerrilla warfare, so they are nothing!!!
putratotti 6 days ago
@putratotti You are an ignorant troll. We do not attack with atomic bombs. The last ones that we used were actually, as a matter of fact, in Hiroshima 1945. Even if we did only use guerrilla warfare, that would be something. So how about you learn your facts before posting some stupid comment like that.
Cooldudeguy6 6 days ago
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@putratotti "USA sissy, they can only be attack with atomic bombs, if they are guerrilla warfare, so they are nothing!!!" what a loser. So what country are you from?
Don't be shy, let us know and we'll go into detail where your country sucks
sol3a1 6 days ago
For all you fools squealing about how evil the US was for doing this... Realize 2 things. A) Japan was prepping their own citizens (women and children included) to engage allied forces had they invaded, which undoubtedly would have resulted in more deaths of our troops.
B) Germany was attempting to build their own atomic bomb, be grateful the US beat them to the punch. Unless, that is, you would all prefer to be of German descent, in which you should be mad.
MrAnderson0110 1 week ago 2
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Well said!
OU812ICRUNVS 3 days ago
@OU812ICRUNVS 'merica good sir, 'merica.
MrAnderson0110 3 days ago
read Hull Note,you'll know a fact. written by Cordel Hull , a Jewish American.
originallove911 1 week ago
@originallove911 BULLSHIT! He was Episcopal.
kentamitchell 6 days ago
The United States are criminals of humanity !
cret2000 1 week ago
@cret2000 Look up Japan's Unit 731. This occurred during peacetime, and all research was directed at innocent civilians. After, perhaps you should be more cautious about what country you accuse of being criminals of humanity. Fool.
MrAnderson0110 1 week ago
Stupid power in the wrong hands, hopefully there will never be a repeat
kapalups 1 week ago
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The US ultimatum to Japan and how it backfired:
/watch?v=SSgzYWSuxBo
sol3a1 1 week ago
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The fact is, the evils of JFB and HST, and their determination to use the atomic bomb for a disgusting cause, made it clear that they were more like devils than like humans. The Bomb was thus morally and stategically un-justifiable against them, as it was used against the civilians in the cities.
komentoshimasu 1 week ago
why hiroshima ? :'(
toros544 1 week ago
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@toros544 "why hiroshima ? :'(" why any city that had to endure bombing, allied or axis?
sol3a1 1 week ago
The fact is, the Japanese cruelties, and their determination to fight to the death for a disgusting cause, made it clear that they were more like a plague than like humans. The Bomb was thus morally justified against them, as it would be against an army of mosquitos.
Albacorewing 1 week ago
@Albacorewing you are wasting your talents on you tube - I suggest you start working for Al Quaeda terrorist organization - or better still the CIA
majorgeeek 1 week ago
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japanese are so lucky they easily died with atomic bombs.
ASIANS and some whites DIE THE MOST CRUEL AND EVIL DEATH beyond reckon through the hands of thousands of japanese people
girls, young old and infants raped to death, objects inserted to vagina like bottles, cranes, guns etc, breasts pumped, bayoneted
shops and houses robbed,
japanese used chinese victims as guinea pig for medical experiments, removed bones, opened skulls, etc without anesthesia
all for the EVIL REASON OF INVADING ASIA
DanielAlexis17 1 week ago
I keep offering this challenge to all who say the US was only interested in killing Japanese: Back up where Japan was looking into surrender
How many need to die before the a-bomb would be the best of all the bad options
What else could the US have done? Japan?
I never said Japan didn't want peace but the peace wasn't surrender and they kept their gains and no occupation
Name real solutions where a-bombs aren't used but Japan surrendered as it did. Then count the deaths that would cause
sol3a1 1 week ago
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Truman - probably the most evil President in US history. directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of so many.
- Hiroshima and Nagasaki Atomic bombs - mass murderer of women, children and old civilians
- recognition of Israel
- interfering in Vietnam (leading to vietnam war)
- interfering in Korea (See Korea war)
- medical experiments on blacks in Tuskegee and Guatemalans
And this is not even a complete list of his crimes.
You should not be honoring or defending this man America ...
Communist2012 1 week ago
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Estimates state up to 200,000 total had died by 1950 from burns, radiation and related disease. From 1950 to 2000, 46% of leukemia deaths and 11% of solid cancer deaths among bomb survivors were due to radiation from the bombs, the statistical excess being estimated to 94 leukemia and 848 solid cancers.
Communist2012 1 week ago
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Truman made the decision to recognize the establishment of the State of Israel over the objections of Secretary of State George Marshall, who feared it would hurt relations with the Arab states
"I am sorry, gentlemen, but I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism: I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents."
Communist2012 1 week ago
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Doctors infected soldiers, prostitutes, prisoners and mental patients with syphilis and other sexually transmitted diseases, without the informed consent of the subjects, and treated most subjects with antibiotics. This resulted in at least 83 deaths
Communist2012 1 week ago
小日本被原爆，抵死，倭寇自作孽，有這的報應，很正常，多行不義必自斃。
windcatching 1 week ago
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小日本被原爆，抵死，倭寇自作孽，有這的報應，很正常，多行不義必自斃。
windcatching
Translate : My name is tchang and i'm eating some dogs
kcvous 1 week ago
@windcatching Hey go home Chink. You were ass fucked by the Japanese and couldn't do anything about it. We saved your communist ass
junyo785 1 week ago
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@onepoundpull Americans have a sort of naive notion that the world can be made perfect, and this is what has sucked America into this Gordian knot of foreign affairs.
Albacorewing 1 week ago
We Chinese and Korean appreciate US ended the WW2, thank you.
chimak3d 1 week ago
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@chimak3d "We Chinese and Korean appreciate US ended the WW2, thank you" I like to ask those who wanted a "negotiated ending for no a-bombs" just how many Chinese or Koreans they'd be happy to let die under IJA occupation until Japan actually surrendered
I really don't get much of an answer
sol3a1 1 week ago
Has anyone ever heard of "Operation Olympic", the plan to invade Japan? The USA anticipated 1,000,000 casualties. The USA had just completed 4 years of war with a determined, suicidal enemy that had attacked them without warning. The A-Bombs saved many many lives - and it took both of them to work. Let's not be suckered with Marxist, revisionist history. America may be seen as a bad guy now, but in 1945 the USA was the savior of the world. Ask someone from Nanking or Korea. Keith in Canada
alyosha24601 1 week ago
This country really needs to wake up to the fact that we ARE the assholes the world thinks we are. There's absolutely no question in my mind that WE will be the cause of the destruction of the world, if it comes to that. Before you get your knickers in a twist, by WE, I mean our illustrious Government, not... you... me... joe blow.
onepoundpull 1 week ago
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@onepoundpull "This country really needs to wake up to the fact that we ARE the assholes the world thinks we are" no more so than any other country in the world. We're more open about it and a press that is one of the freest in the world ensures we are seen, warts and all
"my mind that WE will be the cause of the destruction of the world" and I'm sure that China, Russia and others are really just interested in Earth first, right?
"by WE, I mean our" we are our government
sol3a1 1 week ago
@sol3a1 Are you really that naive to believe that we are the gov't? They have us bullshitted into believing that, but the reality is that we have no reins on the gov't and they are out of control. Pay closer attention son, you sound like another one of their programmed robots.
You do not see Russia or China stepping into every region in the world telling them how to run their lives like the U.S, is so fond of doing.
onepoundpull 1 week ago
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@onepoundpull If I ran this country there would be no foreign aid to anyone, and no American military outside of America. The Chinese system works very well for them and is traditional; the Middle Kingdom has always thought that the "barbarians," if they wanted to interact with China, must come hat in hand to China for that purpose. The Chinese economy today vastly benefits from this policy.
Albacorewing 1 week ago
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Albacorewing 1 week ago
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@onepoundpull "Are you really that naive to believe that we are the gov't?" It isn't naivete it's just the facts. Gov't corrupt? Look at the people they are either uncaring, uneducated or corrupt themselves
"You do not see Russia or China stepping into every region in the world telling them how to run their lives like the U.S, is so fond of doing" you call me naive?
China: check out who pulls Robert Mugabe's strings in Zimbabwe
Russia: "Russian passports" in Lithuania, et al
sol3a1 1 week ago
@onepoundpull I agree the world does think we are assholes. The same world that accepts all our financial aid and protection. We are assholes, let them take care of themselves.
NyzCutey 1 week ago
@NyzCutey What financial aid and protection??? They were just business, Japan got the raw material they want.
chimak3d 1 week ago
@chimak3d I have no idea what you mean by your statement " They were just business, Japan got the raw material they want." I was responding to another comment.
NyzCutey 1 week ago
"in order to save thousands and thousands american soldiers"
we nuked 2 citys full of innocent people
fucking hypocrits !!!!!!
MrSammydude123 1 week ago
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@MrSammydude123 "in order to save thousands and thousands american soldiers" actually much more than that. The projected Japanese causalities was over 10M in a US invasion. Check Okinawa and Saipan for how many Japanese civies died and how
"we nuked 2 citys full of innocent people" actually there were 3 military HQs and war production there. How is this different than say London, Berlin, Tokyo?
"fucking hypocrits !!!!!!" if US wanted to really screw Japan, we would've invaded
sol3a1 1 week ago
@sol3a1 Hiroshima was not bombed because of any military there or war production. The main war producton factories were on outskirts and the orders were not to move the aiming point of city center to take in war factories. If it was an important target because of military or war production it would have been bombed earlier. There were more military HQ far more important that weren't bombed like the one that planned the Kyushu defense and in command and control of all forces if the battle began.
1Dougy85 1 week ago
@1Dougy85 "Hiroshima was not bombed because of any military there or war production" not just, but they were there
As to "better targets" for war and military yes but they'd been hit previously. I've no doubt one of the reasons H was on the short list was due to it not been hit previously. Tactics like that are not new to military strategies
sol3a1 1 week ago
@sol3a1 Not all war and military targets were hit previously.
1Dougy85 1 week ago
@MrSammydude123 Hiroshima was the headquarters of the Japanese 2nd General Army under Field Marshal Hata. 43,000 j troops were in the city & 20,000 died in the bombing.
kentamitchell 1 week ago
@kentamitchell SHUT UP YANKEE COWARD!!
YOU COUNTRY RECEIVE MUCH BOMBS OF IRAN AND DISSAPER!!USA PAY FOR ALL CRIMES IN THE HISTORY.
Shers31 1 week ago
@Shers31 "SHUT UP YANKEE COWARD!!" he shouts from behind the anonymity of his keyboard who knows where. Yup a brave little warrior we have here
"YOU COUNTRY RECEIVE MUCH BOMBS OF IRAN AND DISSAPER!!" um, check again. Besides hot air and empty threats, I doubt Iran's leadership can deliver even a decent bowel movement anywhere save the "Square of Martyrs"
"USA PAY FOR ALL CRIMES IN THE HISTORY" wow, so in our 235+ year history, the US is responsible for all the ills of the world? Wow
sol3a1 1 week ago
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@kentamitchell SHUT UP YANKEE COWARD!!
YOU COUNTRY RECEIVE MUCH BOMBS OF IRAN AND DISSAPER!!USA PAY FOR ALL CRIMES IN THE HISTORY.
Shers31 1 week ago
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@MrSammydude123 Has anyone ever heard of "Operation Olympic", the plan to invade Japan? The USA anticipated 1,000,000 casualties. The USA had just completed 4 years of war with a determined, suicidal enemy that had attacked them without warning. The A-Bombs saved many many lives - and it took both of them to work. Let's not be suckered with Marxist, revisionist history. America may be seen as a bad guy now, but in 1945 the USA was the savior of the world. Ask someone from Nanking or Korea.
alyosha24601 1 week ago
@MrSammydude123 Thousands of innocent American soldiers.
NyzCutey 1 week ago
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SeniorJunior97 1 week ago
@SeniorJunior97: What's so funny?
sol3a1 1 week ago