@indignant99 so far, that seems to be the case. there have been a lot of experiments showing the possibility of the process. And with some success, but not fully success, yet. Im open to the possibility of pansperma, that life came here from elsewhere, but, even if that is the case, abiogenesis would have had to come into existence somewhere. There was a (theoretically) time when a giant asteroid hit earth bringing 1/4th of the earths water here, its possible it brought single celled lifeforms
Hey Cozmic, longtime subscriber here. Science is not my field, but I would like to suggest that although evolution cannot fully account for morality, it certainly plays a role. Those with moral conduct, it would seem, have a higher probability of passing their genes along, while those that don't experience societal blowback, negating their chances. Of course, I'm painting that with a pretty broad brush.
@sndnfry oh how i wish that were true. ever seen the movie "Idiocracy"? statistic shows lower educated people breed more than higher educated people. The world is being filled with stupid people!
@sndnfry well, i dont know. when we look in the animal kingdom, not too many animals kill their own kind. they fight over mating, but not too many kills. if anything humans increase their kill rate via war & handgun accessibility. What is evident is that, we learn our morality from social norms. people of different religions, as well as those who lose religion, still mostly follow social norms. killing, rape, etc isnt socially acceptable, & carry empathetic mirror neurons that inhibit behaviors
@TheAist pt2 i suppose we have evolved these mirror neurons, but its hard to say we evolved morality when we act worse as the future progresses. Examples go in the opposite direction as well, civil rights, abolishion of slavery. The social consciousness does evolve, but on an individual level, we are still mostly apes and religion really isnt helping anyone become "more" moral, its an excuse to not even learn morality. its parroted dogma. however, religions also evolve, it goes both ways
@TheAist Yes, that was the only point I was trying to convey: social norms had to come from somewhere...and the only explanation I can come up with as to why our atrocities multiply has to do with population and technology. Religion certainly hasn't helped...quite the contrary. And yes, I love the irony that the very thing creationists argue against is obviously evident in their own belief system. Enjoy the day, Cozmic, and thanks for all the great vids!
Isn't it how christians always say god-fearing not god-loving. It's so telling. It seems to me that they worship this deiety not because of love but because of his infinite reprisal, based on anger. Ultimately casting them to hell-l-l-l-l!
Great clip. Loved it. I personally WISH you made Gearup your personal bitch, to respond to every idiotic clips he does. I literally cringe, and my toes curle every time the man speaks. It's like a radar going off in my brain flashing red, going 'oh, bullshit!' 'oh, bullshit!' 'oh, bullshit!' BEELP BEELP!
The man IS your intellectual inferior. Not just with you, but to most of every rational person on youtube.
@Domzdream glad you liked it. yeah, he was certainly an easy target. i did make several videos toward him, perhaps i'll put them up. i have all the cozmikzen videos, minus 1. gotta new one coming up soon. sot it last night, i gotta edit the church video 1st, which i also shot.
Cozmic, the man is a fucking dumb dolt. To convince him would be like to try and convincing a child that santa isn't real. Christians pawn themselves and they don't even realize it HAHAHA!
I have NO respect for chriastians, because they choose to stay dumb, even though having replete text books and information on the credibility of science, let alone evolution.
I'll keep watching and facepalming. Great clip Cozmic. Really. It is eye- rolling.
Christians are soooo stupid! Think about it, dicks. WHy do we have lips. A nose. taste buds. Eyes (which arent as perfect as all you theists think. The image gets presented upside down).
All these are traits which help us evolve and survive within our environments. If this god has sight into the future, past universes let alone galaxies, then what's the point of him having eyes?? Oh, it's spiritual eyes. Riiiight. Christian 'logic' is so flawed that it's laughable. And puerile.
Eternal and having starting point is not incompatible. For example, natural numbers start with 0, 1, 2, and so on without end. Or like an infinite robe can have a start and no end (at least in principal). People are having a lot of misconceptions about infinity. It is tricky to understand.
@tubetib true enough, but we are talking about a negative infinity time line, "god always was". And when it comes to time, i dont see how there could ever be a beginning, because there would always be a before. the universe as we know it may have had a beginning, but it must have come from something before it.
@TheAist True, "god always was" is incompatible with a beginning. But I don't think there is always a before. According to Stephen Hawkins, time is part of the Universe and there is no time before the Universe like there is no north at the north of the north pole. When we ask what created the Universe, I think the flaw of the question is in the conception of something versus nothing, cause versus effect. These concepts all break down at infinitely small scale. We believe too much in them.
@tubetib well, i agree to the point that there is a corelation of time/space, & gravity, and that we can measure this back to the singularity, but i dont think that was "the" beginning, i think our universe came from somewhere, possibly a rip in the fabric of another universe, like in the center of a giant black hole. there would be gravity/time/space there for it to come here.
@TheAist God would have to exist in a realm outside of our known space and time for the "God always was" to even begin to make sense. That being said, he would STILL have to have an origin of sorts, just not in our dimension or time.
@TempleofInanna well, if that were the case, he would be existing, as u say, outside of our known space/time, thus, no one could know him. the bible would be total fiction, thus, the biblical god is a fairy tale.
@TheAist Not necessarliy. If god were to create our known space and time, even though he exists in another, then he could interceed or interact with us however he/she/it wishes. The problem is that we see no evidence of a god, much less a particular one, doing this type of thing.
@TempleofInanna well, god, by all definitions im aware of, is supernatural. once he crossed into our realm, he would be a natural part. testable, verifiable, and like you said, there is no evidence of that.
Amusing! They know god is like this or that without evidence. They want it to be so so they express their wish as facts as if this would make them more true that way. But here is my version: God is super intelligent so he, she or it, knows that we cannot believe in him because we have no clue about its nature. But he does not appreciate these arrogant theists talking about him so he will punish them with eternal damnation while offering paradise to all atheists. Sounds good?
A invisible Jewish zombie will give people a ticket to a land no one has seen when they eat his body, drink his blood, and telepathically accept him as their eternal master. The Jewish zombie then removes a sin given to you by a rib-woman who was tricked by a talking snake into eating magical fruit.
of course children of atheistic parents can become xians or muslims or scientologists or ... juslt like children of nonsmoking parents can become smokers. and vice versa. same for all kind of drugs, behavoirs, worldviews, tastes and what not.
Hi, CZ ;) Yup this was a good one. Good re-edit for the new longer time limits... I especially enjoy the moment he says, "I'm not gonna take CosmikZen's word on it.", but he actually expects those of us who have never been touched in any way by some supernatural force to take HIS on religion...
i as an athiest deconverted by way of mental prying of richard dawkins and sam harris then independent study or research for lack of a better word. i still look into the arguments for their and other gods i kinda want it to be real,but sadly it's not.
The problem is proveing the existance of said skydaddy, things are proven with logic not belief , the definition of the word is presumeing somthing or thinking it's so with no factual explination to base it on . Then theres the matter of the bible, and text isn't infailible when it comes to storys ,accounts and other things that were handed down,re told before being put in text. Then you have the problem of contradictions in the text .... This is just the begining of problems in the bible......
@kamphwagon1 thats for sure, plus it was written in a time when people believed in unicorns and dragons and other fairytale creatures, thousands of years before the scientific method.
@TheAist Not only fairy tail creatures but superstision as well along with some cultures beliveing in multipull gods . The Greeks had their oricals who lived in caves simular to some biblical phropets ,come to find out these caves contained a natural sorce of exzlene gas that gave them their visions ,the origional paint huffers ,when considering the amout of petrolem in the middle east these biblical visions and phropceys could be simularly induced, or fasting it's mentioned alot.........
Geerup is saying that God doesn't have a body....but wait a minute....wasn't Jesus resurrected and thus has a body? Why would the son have a body, but the father doesn't? Doesn't make any sense.
Well, I do believe we came from rocks. Now, do you just want to laugh? Or do you want to hear an explanation?
indignant99 7 months ago
@indignant99 Well, we are made of carbon, and we are made of star material, so, thats really not far off. Are you a christian? Lets hear it.
TheAist 7 months ago
@TheAist Hell no, I'm not a christian! The chemicals that started ABIOGENESIS, had to be dissolved into water. And those chemicals came from rocks.
indignant99 6 months ago
@indignant99 so far, that seems to be the case. there have been a lot of experiments showing the possibility of the process. And with some success, but not fully success, yet. Im open to the possibility of pansperma, that life came here from elsewhere, but, even if that is the case, abiogenesis would have had to come into existence somewhere. There was a (theoretically) time when a giant asteroid hit earth bringing 1/4th of the earths water here, its possible it brought single celled lifeforms
TheAist 6 months ago
Hey Cozmic, longtime subscriber here. Science is not my field, but I would like to suggest that although evolution cannot fully account for morality, it certainly plays a role. Those with moral conduct, it would seem, have a higher probability of passing their genes along, while those that don't experience societal blowback, negating their chances. Of course, I'm painting that with a pretty broad brush.
sndnfry 9 months ago
@sndnfry oh how i wish that were true. ever seen the movie "Idiocracy"? statistic shows lower educated people breed more than higher educated people. The world is being filled with stupid people!
TheAist 9 months ago
@TheAist Completely agree, but here I'm speaking of heinous breaches of morality, i.e. murder, rape, etc. It's minimized through evolution, no?
sndnfry 9 months ago
@sndnfry well, i dont know. when we look in the animal kingdom, not too many animals kill their own kind. they fight over mating, but not too many kills. if anything humans increase their kill rate via war & handgun accessibility. What is evident is that, we learn our morality from social norms. people of different religions, as well as those who lose religion, still mostly follow social norms. killing, rape, etc isnt socially acceptable, & carry empathetic mirror neurons that inhibit behaviors
TheAist 9 months ago
@TheAist pt2 i suppose we have evolved these mirror neurons, but its hard to say we evolved morality when we act worse as the future progresses. Examples go in the opposite direction as well, civil rights, abolishion of slavery. The social consciousness does evolve, but on an individual level, we are still mostly apes and religion really isnt helping anyone become "more" moral, its an excuse to not even learn morality. its parroted dogma. however, religions also evolve, it goes both ways
TheAist 9 months ago
@TheAist Yes, that was the only point I was trying to convey: social norms had to come from somewhere...and the only explanation I can come up with as to why our atrocities multiply has to do with population and technology. Religion certainly hasn't helped...quite the contrary. And yes, I love the irony that the very thing creationists argue against is obviously evident in their own belief system. Enjoy the day, Cozmic, and thanks for all the great vids!
sndnfry 9 months ago
Isn't it how christians always say god-fearing not god-loving. It's so telling. It seems to me that they worship this deiety not because of love but because of his infinite reprisal, based on anger. Ultimately casting them to hell-l-l-l-l!
Poor Geerup is a dope!
Domzdream 9 months ago
@Domzdream heh amen to that!
TheAist 9 months ago
Great clip. Loved it. I personally WISH you made Gearup your personal bitch, to respond to every idiotic clips he does. I literally cringe, and my toes curle every time the man speaks. It's like a radar going off in my brain flashing red, going 'oh, bullshit!' 'oh, bullshit!' 'oh, bullshit!' BEELP BEELP!
The man IS your intellectual inferior. Not just with you, but to most of every rational person on youtube.
Domzdream 9 months ago
@Domzdream glad you liked it. yeah, he was certainly an easy target. i did make several videos toward him, perhaps i'll put them up. i have all the cozmikzen videos, minus 1. gotta new one coming up soon. sot it last night, i gotta edit the church video 1st, which i also shot.
TheAist 9 months ago
Cozmic, the man is a fucking dumb dolt. To convince him would be like to try and convincing a child that santa isn't real. Christians pawn themselves and they don't even realize it HAHAHA!
I have NO respect for chriastians, because they choose to stay dumb, even though having replete text books and information on the credibility of science, let alone evolution.
I'll keep watching and facepalming. Great clip Cozmic. Really. It is eye- rolling.
Domzdream 9 months ago
Christians are soooo stupid! Think about it, dicks. WHy do we have lips. A nose. taste buds. Eyes (which arent as perfect as all you theists think. The image gets presented upside down).
All these are traits which help us evolve and survive within our environments. If this god has sight into the future, past universes let alone galaxies, then what's the point of him having eyes?? Oh, it's spiritual eyes. Riiiight. Christian 'logic' is so flawed that it's laughable. And puerile.
Domzdream 9 months ago
I believe Geerup's brain came from a lifeless rock.
Geerup: "when you make an assumption you make an (ass) of (u) and (me)".
No geerup... when you "Assume" you make an (ass) of (u) and (me). I suppose when you make an "assumption" you make an (ass) of (u) and (mption).
AncientAtheist 9 months ago
@AncientAtheist lol nice!
TheAist 9 months ago
Eternal and having starting point is not incompatible. For example, natural numbers start with 0, 1, 2, and so on without end. Or like an infinite robe can have a start and no end (at least in principal). People are having a lot of misconceptions about infinity. It is tricky to understand.
tubetib 9 months ago
@tubetib true enough, but we are talking about a negative infinity time line, "god always was". And when it comes to time, i dont see how there could ever be a beginning, because there would always be a before. the universe as we know it may have had a beginning, but it must have come from something before it.
TheAist 9 months ago
@TheAist True, "god always was" is incompatible with a beginning. But I don't think there is always a before. According to Stephen Hawkins, time is part of the Universe and there is no time before the Universe like there is no north at the north of the north pole. When we ask what created the Universe, I think the flaw of the question is in the conception of something versus nothing, cause versus effect. These concepts all break down at infinitely small scale. We believe too much in them.
tubetib 9 months ago
@tubetib well, i agree to the point that there is a corelation of time/space, & gravity, and that we can measure this back to the singularity, but i dont think that was "the" beginning, i think our universe came from somewhere, possibly a rip in the fabric of another universe, like in the center of a giant black hole. there would be gravity/time/space there for it to come here.
TheAist 9 months ago
@TheAist God would have to exist in a realm outside of our known space and time for the "God always was" to even begin to make sense. That being said, he would STILL have to have an origin of sorts, just not in our dimension or time.
TempleofInanna 9 months ago
@TempleofInanna well, if that were the case, he would be existing, as u say, outside of our known space/time, thus, no one could know him. the bible would be total fiction, thus, the biblical god is a fairy tale.
TheAist 9 months ago
@TheAist Not necessarliy. If god were to create our known space and time, even though he exists in another, then he could interceed or interact with us however he/she/it wishes. The problem is that we see no evidence of a god, much less a particular one, doing this type of thing.
TempleofInanna 9 months ago
@TempleofInanna well, god, by all definitions im aware of, is supernatural. once he crossed into our realm, he would be a natural part. testable, verifiable, and like you said, there is no evidence of that.
TheAist 9 months ago
@TheAist Exactley.
TempleofInanna 9 months ago
Amusing! They know god is like this or that without evidence. They want it to be so so they express their wish as facts as if this would make them more true that way. But here is my version: God is super intelligent so he, she or it, knows that we cannot believe in him because we have no clue about its nature. But he does not appreciate these arrogant theists talking about him so he will punish them with eternal damnation while offering paradise to all atheists. Sounds good?
tubetib 9 months ago
@tubetib sounds better, but i wouldnt wish eternal damnation on anyone....maybe just eternal unpleasantry?
TheAist 9 months ago
@TheAist Don't worry! We can go in peace because we know that god is just a bad idea. Amen!
tubetib 9 months ago
Christian logic in a nutshell...
A invisible Jewish zombie will give people a ticket to a land no one has seen when they eat his body, drink his blood, and telepathically accept him as their eternal master. The Jewish zombie then removes a sin given to you by a rib-woman who was tricked by a talking snake into eating magical fruit.
Oh yeah, lots of logic there lol.
JabberCT 9 months ago
@JabberCT did you see that on facebook yesterday? coincidently, i posted that on my wall there yesterday
TheAist 9 months ago
@TheAist I got it from the video called, "Richard Carrier on Religious Delusion". I laughed like hell when i read it. :)
JabberCT 9 months ago
of course children of atheistic parents can become xians or muslims or scientologists or ... juslt like children of nonsmoking parents can become smokers. and vice versa. same for all kind of drugs, behavoirs, worldviews, tastes and what not.
theheinzification 9 months ago
@theheinzification true, true!
TheAist 9 months ago
Hi, CZ ;) Yup this was a good one. Good re-edit for the new longer time limits... I especially enjoy the moment he says, "I'm not gonna take CosmikZen's word on it.", but he actually expects those of us who have never been touched in any way by some supernatural force to take HIS on religion...
renegade4dio 9 months ago
@renegade4dio no doubt, geerup is classic!
TheAist 9 months ago
LoL buy- bull
donnieb22000 9 months ago
Great Pwnage Aist ,.. Is Geerup still on youtube? i dont see much of him nowadays.
Where are all the real intellectual christian youtubers??????? . . .are there any?
bonnie43uk 9 months ago
@bonnie43uk real intellectual christians? i dunno...um,..never never land? oz? heaven? hehehe. if you find any, let me know! :)
TheAist 9 months ago
i as an athiest deconverted by way of mental prying of richard dawkins and sam harris then independent study or research for lack of a better word. i still look into the arguments for their and other gods i kinda want it to be real,but sadly it's not.
312haku 9 months ago
@312haku i hear ya, i'd like to have eternal life...but, i'd rather live the truth, than waste my one life on a lie
TheAist 9 months ago
The problem is proveing the existance of said skydaddy, things are proven with logic not belief , the definition of the word is presumeing somthing or thinking it's so with no factual explination to base it on . Then theres the matter of the bible, and text isn't infailible when it comes to storys ,accounts and other things that were handed down,re told before being put in text. Then you have the problem of contradictions in the text .... This is just the begining of problems in the bible......
kamphwagon1 9 months ago
@kamphwagon1 thats for sure, plus it was written in a time when people believed in unicorns and dragons and other fairytale creatures, thousands of years before the scientific method.
TheAist 9 months ago
@TheAist Not only fairy tail creatures but superstision as well along with some cultures beliveing in multipull gods . The Greeks had their oricals who lived in caves simular to some biblical phropets ,come to find out these caves contained a natural sorce of exzlene gas that gave them their visions ,the origional paint huffers ,when considering the amout of petrolem in the middle east these biblical visions and phropceys could be simularly induced, or fasting it's mentioned alot.........
kamphwagon1 9 months ago
Geerup is saying that God doesn't have a body....but wait a minute....wasn't Jesus resurrected and thus has a body? Why would the son have a body, but the father doesn't? Doesn't make any sense.
Hereticbooks 9 months ago
@Hereticbooks like any of it makes sense :) Good hearing from you, bro!
TheAist 9 months ago
@TheAist
That would be "sis." But thanks for posting.
Hereticbooks 9 months ago
@Hereticbooks my bad, sorry :)
TheAist 9 months ago
You can not have rational arguments with people who had delusions or are too much into their own beliefs and simply refuse to accept science.
KalimaShaktide 9 months ago
@KalimaShaktide thats what makes it so funny :)
TheAist 9 months ago
lol, Awesome!
Nagneto 9 months ago
@Nagneto thanks! :)
TheAist 9 months ago
So, existing forever is okay for God but, not okay for the Universe?
MisterEvil1 9 months ago
@MisterEvil1 i reckon
TheAist 9 months ago
Does god's shit stink? If it does I would say he is not perfect. LOL The old saying man created god in his own image.
Dwicker64 9 months ago
@Dwicker64 i dont know, thats debatable. if his shit didnt stink, it wouldnt be perfect, it should stink more than any other shit
TheAist 9 months ago