BR 9F 92203 'Black Prince' Pull's a 1000 Tonne Ballast Train

[MrTonyozzie]

Cracking exhaust sound. Love spaceships and Black 5s myself.

[jrkepler]

I wonder what Black Prince would look like next to UP 3985, in physical size. Very nice movie.

[Nigel16032009]

Sherby - do us a favour; buy yourself a tripod!!!

Good video but spoil by it dancing around!!!

[sherbydip]

@Nigel16032009 i have one now but i had forgotten it that day! So unfortunately that's all i have cause i don't think there's any software available to add a tripod in!

[WatchdogDisciple]

Ok Great Britan I love you guys and Black Prince is my fav loco of your engines and no offence but seriously why no cow catchers?

[danlefou]

@WatchdogDisciple Because no cows! British lines are fenced throughout. Some tramway engines, running partly on roads, had cowcatchers, but they were the exception.

[donaldthescotishtwin]

Beautiful engine

[bcschmerker]

Excellent demonstration of the traction issues encountered with design-max payloads; sanding consistent with that required in the United States might have helped. American Locomotive Company put two sand domes on each of their 2-8-2 Mohawks (much larger than Baldwin Mikados), 4-6-4 Hudsons and 4-8-4 Northerns for several major roads in the U. S. (e.g., Union Pacific, New York Central).

[mekydro]

A great vid, nearly as good as a 'Kreigslok'!

[bennymilk]

why the shitty diesel on the end?

[sherbydip]

@bennymilk so the train can be pulled back into the quarry so they can do more run pasts.

[ssshspotter]

@sherbydip re your reply to @bennymilk,

Also to work the brakes on the MRL wagons. They would be air-braked and the 9F would be vacuum braked.

[1958wheel]

@bennymilk

Brakes.

92203 is vacuum fitted.

Also, I think it was rather more than 1000 tonnes. Closer to 2000.

[Polybun]

Jesus, with both pop valves lifted at that.

[thediremoose]

I first saw 92203 in "Steam Days", and I find it interesting that 2-10-0 locomotives have been really widespread all over the world. What is it that makes it such a good design, anyway?

[GavinS1965]

@thediremoose Largely cos its a culmination of a hundred years of Great Western engineering excellence.

[D335Media]

Good to see a 9F pulling what it should!

[Femmenition]

Tripod.

[mrgrahamhearn]

they were designed to poll loads of 900 tons at a speed of 35mph but were good at passanger work aswell

[dunge0nmaster]

It would be a better sight and sound to see those class 37s at the front of the train :)

[17473039]

@dunge0nmaster hmm thats your oppinion. You're wrong, but at least you have your oppinion :-)

[rogerzilla]

Rather a lot of wheelslip, although apparently this is the hardest thing about starting a steam locomotive - they always want to slip as soon as the regulator is opened, because you get maximum torque at zero revs.

[joshwellburn]

great video, i love 9f's beautifull engines.

[soundnicetome]

Great vid,thanks for posting !!!

[AndreiTupolev]

I've always thought a Britannia whistle would be better suited to a 9F than the one that sounds like a pannier tank.

[60103Henry]

Great Video, 5 Stars!

[RASDV]

Superb video. Nice to see old Black Prince being worked hard for a change!

[scotsguy422]

These locos were regulalry hauling loads way in excess of 1,000 tons in BR steam days. The iron ore trains were just one example, the Stanlow oil trains another. Back in the early 80's Black Prince recorded the heaviest load ever hauled by any BR steam loco with over 2,000 tons.

[mrgrahamhearn]

@scotsguy422 2100 tons i think it was

[mrgrahamhearn]

they were designed to haul 900 tons so 1000 isnt really exesive

[mrgrahamhearn]

they were designed to haul 900 tons regularly

[justandy333]

Would this be deemed a rather excessive load for a 9F in its day? or were they regualrly hauling loads like this?

[sherbydip]

Im no expert but they were designed to pull extremely heavy loads. i think Tyne Dock iron ore trains were some of the heaviest they pulled but i have no doubt they might have pulled this sort of load once or twice! hope this helps.

[amncert]

@sherbydip The very last load to be pulled by a 9F before they were taken out of service was about 400 tonnes. If thats 1000 tonnes, then thats the heaviest train a 9F has pulled to date O.O But i highly doubt that it is pulling that much. Way too heavy

[titup2]

@sherbydip black prince holds the haulage record at 2158 tons from a standing start; so, a mere 1000 tons is easy.

[RocksNotDead101]

@justandy333 The WD 8fs could haul 1000 tonnes at 40 mph, so the 9f would more than likely be capible.

[hiyadroogs]

@justandy333 Even 8f's (2-8-0) were regularly to be found at the head of 1000 ton trains. A 9f could handle 1500 tons.

[hiyadroogs]

@justandy333 A 9F is on record for producing 2400 drawbar horsepower at 40 mph & 55% cut off with full regulator. To put that into perspective, a class 47 diesel produces 2080 DBHP all out. A Western diesel hydraulic, 2000 DBHP, & a class 60 freight diesel rated at 3100 hp, with a design top speed of 62 mph, has a DBHP of 2415.

[rhysicus]

@justandy333 They used to pull double this of coal and iron around south wales. real monsters they were!

[SteamMad]

nice she could have done more if the cilinder pressure relif valvs wernt blowing but then the clinders could have exploded :P

[Creepycottages]

Hells bells what a beast !

[waldenhouse]

Very Very impressive! 5*

(btw please ask Father Christmas for a tripod next year!)

[jandewezel]

Very nice, the only good thing that came from british rail :-)

[fulstow02]

Sounds Awesome!!!! Love It To Bits!!

[beeble2003]

1000 tons = 1016 tons so it makes no difference.

[statusquoman1]

sounds like the prince got a bit carried away with itself at 1.25

[knausspiano]

Strange viewing a 9F with modern freight rolling stock. They were the ultimate power machine. Remember them well. Good on passenger work too.

[60103Henry]

Great Video, 5 Stars! i was there, it really was a great event!

[choochooguy63601]

I'm going to see Black Prince in Octoer

[SteffanLlwyd]

Full forward gear for sure!

[ferretflasher]

For goodness sake...buy a tripod!! Otherwise fantastic subject matter!!

[sherbydip]

id forgotten it! i was well anoyed with myself but from now on i always take my tripod!

[d7106]

I got a ride on the footplate when I went to the Gloster and Warickshire Railway in 2006. Great Loco!

[courtneydavis433]

Lucky you.

[visibleimagery]

B-E-A-U T I F U L

[woodlandsteve]

Just what the doctor ordered - real medicine this is

[SteffanLlwyd]

Absolutely full 'forward gear'... radius rod completely dropped down to the limit of the expansion link. YESSSSS!

[denisxx61]

The zenith of steam traction. These beauties could haul heavy mineral to express passenger trains. With 5 foot drivers any one of the 9F's could top 90 mph and at that speed the piston and rotational speeds were equivalent to that of the Mallard on her record breaking run of 126mph. Yet Mallard only did that speed once - any one of the 250 9F's could do 90 on any given day.

[sparkythefinn]

Mallard has got 30 odd years on most 9f but fair point i work on the Glouscestirshire and warwickshire railway with black rince and she can pull bu isnt very economical with the coal even agains cityy of truro

[Steamhead92220]

black prince - what a machine :D