Hi Jeff Thanks for your instruction videos. I'm working on going to the one plane swing. I find that I can let it rip, automatically, without the manipulations I struggled with, like dropping the hands and releasing the club late, etc. I like the simplicity of lining up my arms with my shoulders back and through. Now I have a way to actually see, looking down on myself, whether I'm in the proper positions back and through, even without having a club in hand.
Good work Jeff .Would you no if you model the one plane and swing a little down the line would that produce a shot from the heal and the less your follow throw is round and not down the line would that produce more center in the club face.Any one have any ideas.
The person that is teaching me to play golf, tells me to turn my shoulders back as I swing, then toward 1 o'clock and as my shoulders turn, stop parallel above my left shoulder. This is outside the swing plane. What do you think of this method. I should include that this is his swing at 69yrs old. And he avrages 74-76 scores. It just doesn't feel right for me. He also wants me to start my swing pretty slow then "jump on it" going down.
Jeff is the clearest coach I have ever heard and the combination of his instruction along with his terrific videos is powerful.
I now have a three handicap with a goal of being plus one at the ancient age of 63. When I get there it will be because of Jeff Ritter, Stan Utley and Jim Hardy mainly, even though I have read nearly everything else out there.
Many Thanks Jeff
It would be nice to cross paths someday-particularly when I achieve my goals.
Hi Jeff, at starting position, do you keep your arms parallel to your thigh or just hang straight down? or is there a significance by keeping the arms straight down or stretch forward or keep them closer to your body?
Hi jeff, When i get the butt end of the club ie the plane line through my hip joint the toe of the club wants to be high off the floor is this what is common in ur setup? great video jeff really useful! are you having any clinics in Europe this year?? i live in Uk.
@clarkyboy63 Being that you may be bending over a bit more, your lie angle may be too upright. This is common with this type of technique. I recommend getting a fitting or simply having your lie angle bent a couple degrees flatter so that your equipment matches your swinging style.
@jritter5 Thanks for previous comment! Jeff, im about the same height as u 5ft '9" could u tell me what lie angles you have as i was one degree upright? and also how far away from the ball are you standing from tips of your toes to the ball with say a 7 iron?? this would give me a good idea? i do play on a mini pro tour in uk! also could u tell me if you are having any clinics in the near future in uk or usa?
Jim Hardy says that you might feel like your coming over the top in a one plane swing. It's true. It's the weirdest thing to kind of come over but you've got to keep your right elbow from moving forward on the down swing or you'll block your shots. Zack Johnson does this in an obvious way.
I would bet Jeff's ball flight is nearly straight. Watch his downswing. Notice how the plane coming down nearly matches the plane coming through? This means he is nearly perfectly on plane. I say nearly because i don't think anyone is perfectly on plane. This also means that he has an inside to inside swing path which means straight shots. Think about it, It's a bit tough to grasp at first.
I know it is hard to grasp, but being on plane does not equal a straight shot. You can be on plane with the shaft and the clubface closed and it would hook of the yard. Or the opp. with an open clubface.
To clarify, the standard clubs as it relates to loft. Length wise, as a shorter person you will naturally need to be flatter than a taller person with the same club or else you can be jammed vertically since our bodies are shorter than a taller person. The shaft plane is going to have to be angled more than a taller person. My point though is that being too bent over can still cause some power problems. It did for me. Also, try slightly, slightly choking up as another experiment.
I had the same questions. I am not tall, standing just 5' 7" and I definitely think that being that short with the standard clubs you can get too bent over and actually will lose a little power. I experimented with the one plane swing now for 2 years and found that just slightly more upright than recommended created the best power for me, while at the same time retaining a one plane swing around my axis and core.
thanks a lot for posting your lessons online. it's been the most simple and useful advice i've ever gotten. most of the instructors on youtube and in real life as you know are a joke.
as far as your set up, with the shaft being close to perpendicular to your spine.. what do you recommend for shorter guys? ben hogan was much shorter than yourself, and he was def more upright. is there anything different one must do as far as the swing if shorter and standing more upright? tx
This guy's swing looks like that "Iron Byron" machine. Love to have mine look like that. I've been a scratch golfer for years but my swing breaks down all the time. I'm gonna strive to get into the same position he does at the top.
This is a very nice one plane swing. However, If you are trying to replicate the ops from Jim Hardy's book exactly it is slightly different. The backswing should be slightly under and onto the shaft plane with the downswing on the shaft plane. Please see the post on the JH golf website forum for further clarification. FAQ/Greatest instruction posts - jim hardy on the swing plane
The post on the forum is JIM HARDY talking about the swing HE TEACHES. If you look at late Hogan footage he does just this. Have you seen the 2005 show from the golf channel academy live where JH has Peter Jacobson go through the ops positions? I have very little footage of JH swinging. If you have some post it, i'd love to see it. From what i have i'm not sure that you are correct about JH's own swing. Anyway as i said i'm paraphrasing from JH and giving a source, not just offering my oppinion.
Who cares if it's not a "JH textbook" one plane swing. Labauve himself even comes from underneath on the downswing. As do most legit one-planers (Scott McCarron, Hunter Mahan, etc.) If you look at some of Jeff's other videos, you'll see that he uses JH's one plane philosophy as a basis for his swing and teachings. I distinctly remember JH saying that as long as you are not making 1p moves in a 2p swing and vice versa, you'll be fine. JH has swing footage in one of his secrets vids.
You're just some over zealous idiot who can't read english. I said "This is a very nice one plane swing", meaning as defined by JH, but if you're copying the swing from the book it's slightly different so look at this info. Did you read the post i suggested? It covers exactly this topic. Maybe if you did i wouldn't have to waste my time replying to your comments.
@wongfu82 Hi, I think you simply missed the point of what I said the first time round. I was just trying to point people to some information. Maybe you should work on your comprehension.
I have seen JH's swing its not nearly as nice as this guy. Both of them talk about the same mechanics but this guy's swing is much more fluid then JH.
Actually, what i'm talking about is a slight difference in mechanics between Jim's ideal swing and this. But yes Jeff's swing is very nice as i said before. Fluid and beautiful.
Correct me if I am wrong Jeff but if you are correctly doing the one plane swing your shaft should be more upright at impact. At least thats what Jim Hardy states, and maybe thats why some of your students catch the ball thin often
It was just a thought because....well first of all its in the first book in the in the impact segment..what i was thinking is because his shaft is in a more two plane postion....that is its at the same place it was at address he did not turn his shoudlers fully through the shot. So the reason why I was thinking his students caught things then is because they do not have the correct amount of shaft lean on the club at impact, because shoulders are not turning fast enough.
it appears to me that jeff maintains the plane established throughout...
i think it is a reach to assume that his students will all catch the ball thin based on a picture, but you did take the time to explain your position in a respectful manner.
Hey Jeff.....I'm a beginner, and I'm having soem trouble getting my left shoulder out of the way in my down swing....causing me to actually "miss" the ball in front....can you give me any pointers?
I'm a one plane convert and love the difference it has made to my game. I'm having one recurring problem that I hope you could assist with, I have developed a tendency to hit fat. What can I do to fix this?
the swing is good i like it however it looks slightly steep on teh way down to me?? also, your spine angle seems to be closer to 55 than to 90 which is what you are stating is the correct angle. although i am by no means a pga teacher it appears to me that you look hunched over. please correct me if i am wrong
His spine angle is 55-56 degrees. However, he states that his spine angle is 90 degrees in relation to the club at address. Forms almost a perfect right angle at his belt line (pause at 2:14). He is not "hunched" over. Lower back is straight, upper back does have a slight curve. This is the amount of tilt you need for a One Plane Swing. Not sure how you could call his swing "steep." He gets slightly above plane at impact, but less than 5 degrees.
Thanks for this. I have all Jim Hardy's videos and books plus his and Mike La Bauve stuff from academy live. This is a real treat, you have a beautiful swing and explain it so well. Would it be possible to do something like this from the front view? It really helped me a lot. Thanks for all your stuff on here
Thanks for your explanation of the one plane transition move. Lowering my left knee slightly as I complete my backswing, instead of forcing a hip turn is the key I have been searching for.
Great job in explaining how many people would think you're "laid off" at the top of your swing when in fact it's just a short shoulder turn. I used to erroneously think I was laid off at the top because of my short shoulder turn and when I started turning my shoulders more I started hitting it farther without losing accuracy.
Real nice swing and great explanation...I met Hardy this year and learned quite a bit from him in one day. I have a problem getting my shaft to set properly on plane like your swing. Work in progress.
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chelsiehightower1 3 months ago
JEFF,
you told me to watch a video called barrel roll or something... do you remember what your video title was?
R
golfroomtv 5 months ago
Hi Jeff Thanks for your instruction videos. I'm working on going to the one plane swing. I find that I can let it rip, automatically, without the manipulations I struggled with, like dropping the hands and releasing the club late, etc. I like the simplicity of lining up my arms with my shoulders back and through. Now I have a way to actually see, looking down on myself, whether I'm in the proper positions back and through, even without having a club in hand.
meetMr7 7 months ago
Jeff, thanks for all your video's concise and understandable, great concepts that are helping me improve.
rickcrookzz 11 months ago
it just looks so consistent and effortless
pasturized1394 1 year ago
Good work Jeff .Would you no if you model the one plane and swing a little down the line would that produce a shot from the heal and the less your follow throw is round and not down the line would that produce more center in the club face.Any one have any ideas.
abvoss 1 year ago
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dschultz6072 1 year ago
The person that is teaching me to play golf, tells me to turn my shoulders back as I swing, then toward 1 o'clock and as my shoulders turn, stop parallel above my left shoulder. This is outside the swing plane. What do you think of this method. I should include that this is his swing at 69yrs old. And he avrages 74-76 scores. It just doesn't feel right for me. He also wants me to start my swing pretty slow then "jump on it" going down.
darmikela 1 year ago
Jeff is the clearest coach I have ever heard and the combination of his instruction along with his terrific videos is powerful.
I now have a three handicap with a goal of being plus one at the ancient age of 63. When I get there it will be because of Jeff Ritter, Stan Utley and Jim Hardy mainly, even though I have read nearly everything else out there.
Many Thanks Jeff
It would be nice to cross paths someday-particularly when I achieve my goals.
WilliamMHunt3 1 year ago
Hi Jeff, at starting position, do you keep your arms parallel to your thigh or just hang straight down? or is there a significance by keeping the arms straight down or stretch forward or keep them closer to your body?
orkayen 1 year ago
Hi Jeff, during start of the back swing, do we pull the club by right hand?
orkayen 1 year ago
Hi jeff, When i get the butt end of the club ie the plane line through my hip joint the toe of the club wants to be high off the floor is this what is common in ur setup? great video jeff really useful! are you having any clinics in Europe this year?? i live in Uk.
clarkyboy63 1 year ago
@clarkyboy63 Being that you may be bending over a bit more, your lie angle may be too upright. This is common with this type of technique. I recommend getting a fitting or simply having your lie angle bent a couple degrees flatter so that your equipment matches your swinging style.
jritter5 1 year ago
@jritter5 Thanks for previous comment! Jeff, im about the same height as u 5ft '9" could u tell me what lie angles you have as i was one degree upright? and also how far away from the ball are you standing from tips of your toes to the ball with say a 7 iron?? this would give me a good idea? i do play on a mini pro tour in uk! also could u tell me if you are having any clinics in the near future in uk or usa?
clarkyboy63 1 year ago
Hi Jeff just wont to say t.hanks You opened my eyes in golf game
11nbn 1 year ago
Jeff, how tall are you?
TheOneAndOnlycE 1 year ago
About 5'9"
jritter5 1 year ago
@jritter5 lol more like 5'2"
TheBallbag2000 1 year ago
Jim Hardy says that you might feel like your coming over the top in a one plane swing. It's true. It's the weirdest thing to kind of come over but you've got to keep your right elbow from moving forward on the down swing or you'll block your shots. Zack Johnson does this in an obvious way.
ILIAD9 2 years ago
This is double Dutch!
In practical terms what earthly use is the green line?
Can anyone envisage it when practising?
It bears no resemlance to the arc traced by the club head!
oxybent 2 years ago
truly excellent swing and explanation!
kbkesq 2 years ago
why does the club have to swing back around? what type of shot are you producing with your one plane swing?
PJRGOLF08 2 years ago
I would bet Jeff's ball flight is nearly straight. Watch his downswing. Notice how the plane coming down nearly matches the plane coming through? This means he is nearly perfectly on plane. I say nearly because i don't think anyone is perfectly on plane. This also means that he has an inside to inside swing path which means straight shots. Think about it, It's a bit tough to grasp at first.
pcakesxl 2 years ago
I know it is hard to grasp, but being on plane does not equal a straight shot. You can be on plane with the shaft and the clubface closed and it would hook of the yard. Or the opp. with an open clubface.
PJRGOLF08 2 years ago
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bardskiller2 2 years ago
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bardskiller2 2 years ago
your full of shit
TheSsteve70 2 years ago
What a beautiful swing.
Mward2002 2 years ago
Reckoner 19
To clarify, the standard clubs as it relates to loft. Length wise, as a shorter person you will naturally need to be flatter than a taller person with the same club or else you can be jammed vertically since our bodies are shorter than a taller person. The shaft plane is going to have to be angled more than a taller person. My point though is that being too bent over can still cause some power problems. It did for me. Also, try slightly, slightly choking up as another experiment.
joquirk1 2 years ago
No sense at all.Height makes no difference in flatter or upright routes.
secrettogolf 2 years ago
Reckoner19
I had the same questions. I am not tall, standing just 5' 7" and I definitely think that being that short with the standard clubs you can get too bent over and actually will lose a little power. I experimented with the one plane swing now for 2 years and found that just slightly more upright than recommended created the best power for me, while at the same time retaining a one plane swing around my axis and core.
joquirk1 2 years ago
When you're looking at it, it seems so easy no, but hard to imitate lol
aprilbluerose79 2 years ago
Hi Jeff,
thanks a lot for posting your lessons online. it's been the most simple and useful advice i've ever gotten. most of the instructors on youtube and in real life as you know are a joke.
as far as your set up, with the shaft being close to perpendicular to your spine.. what do you recommend for shorter guys? ben hogan was much shorter than yourself, and he was def more upright. is there anything different one must do as far as the swing if shorter and standing more upright? tx
reckoner19 2 years ago
Jeff is a good instructor but you should check out Lynn Blake
secrettogolf 2 years ago
Hello
atleaststayalert 2 years ago
Mr. Ritter,
What lie angles do you play with?
DJSTARER 2 years ago
This guy's swing looks like that "Iron Byron" machine. Love to have mine look like that. I've been a scratch golfer for years but my swing breaks down all the time. I'm gonna strive to get into the same position he does at the top.
sleestak33 3 years ago
what i want is that room
lol
toolio420 3 years ago
I've been in that room! It's cool...
sbguard9 3 years ago
i want this programm for my swing, where i can get it?
Funmichi 3 years ago
There's 2 cheap versions of that software that I have used and they are both good. They are Cswing and V1.
soxfan2007papi 3 years ago
This is a very nice one plane swing. However, If you are trying to replicate the ops from Jim Hardy's book exactly it is slightly different. The backswing should be slightly under and onto the shaft plane with the downswing on the shaft plane. Please see the post on the JH golf website forum for further clarification. FAQ/Greatest instruction posts - jim hardy on the swing plane
stephenperera 3 years ago
If you look at both Hardy's and LaBauve's one plane swing, you'll see that they most resemble Jeff's and not what you are describing.
wongfu82 3 years ago
The post on the forum is JIM HARDY talking about the swing HE TEACHES. If you look at late Hogan footage he does just this. Have you seen the 2005 show from the golf channel academy live where JH has Peter Jacobson go through the ops positions? I have very little footage of JH swinging. If you have some post it, i'd love to see it. From what i have i'm not sure that you are correct about JH's own swing. Anyway as i said i'm paraphrasing from JH and giving a source, not just offering my oppinion.
stephenperera 3 years ago
Who cares if it's not a "JH textbook" one plane swing. Labauve himself even comes from underneath on the downswing. As do most legit one-planers (Scott McCarron, Hunter Mahan, etc.) If you look at some of Jeff's other videos, you'll see that he uses JH's one plane philosophy as a basis for his swing and teachings. I distinctly remember JH saying that as long as you are not making 1p moves in a 2p swing and vice versa, you'll be fine. JH has swing footage in one of his secrets vids.
wongfu82 3 years ago
You're just some over zealous idiot who can't read english. I said "This is a very nice one plane swing", meaning as defined by JH, but if you're copying the swing from the book it's slightly different so look at this info. Did you read the post i suggested? It covers exactly this topic. Maybe if you did i wouldn't have to waste my time replying to your comments.
stephenperera 3 years ago
I think jeff used to work under Mike LaBauve
sbguard9 3 years ago
Yes, they have know each other a long time. He probably knows pretty well.
stephenperera 3 years ago
Sorry that should read: Yes, they have known each other a long time. He probably knows Jim Hardy pretty well too.
stephenperera 3 years ago
@stephenperera work on your people skills, son.
wongfu82 1 year ago
@wongfu82 Hi, I think you simply missed the point of what I said the first time round. I was just trying to point people to some information. Maybe you should work on your comprehension.
stephenperera 1 year ago
@stephenperera how to win friends and influence people by carnegie. You'll find it at your local library.
wongfu82 1 year ago
@wongfu82 Developing Critical Reading Skills, Deanne Spears. It might be better if you buy a copy.
stephenperera 1 year ago
I have seen JH's swing its not nearly as nice as this guy. Both of them talk about the same mechanics but this guy's swing is much more fluid then JH.
mcconnon12 3 years ago
Actually, what i'm talking about is a slight difference in mechanics between Jim's ideal swing and this. But yes Jeff's swing is very nice as i said before. Fluid and beautiful.
stephenperera 3 years ago
i can't seem to post a comment here
stephenperera 3 years ago
What program are you using to edit/review the swing. It is quite interesting, I would be interested in buying it.
epicvelocity 3 years ago
Correct me if I am wrong Jeff but if you are correctly doing the one plane swing your shaft should be more upright at impact. At least thats what Jim Hardy states, and maybe thats why some of your students catch the ball thin often
steelman3686 3 years ago
where do you get your info?
i own and have read both of jim's books and have no idea what you are talking about...
naflack 3 years ago
It was just a thought because....well first of all its in the first book in the in the impact segment..what i was thinking is because his shaft is in a more two plane postion....that is its at the same place it was at address he did not turn his shoudlers fully through the shot. So the reason why I was thinking his students caught things then is because they do not have the correct amount of shaft lean on the club at impact, because shoulders are not turning fast enough.
steelman3686 3 years ago
it appears to me that jeff maintains the plane established throughout...
i think it is a reach to assume that his students will all catch the ball thin based on a picture, but you did take the time to explain your position in a respectful manner.
naflack 3 years ago
Hey Jeff.....I'm a beginner, and I'm having soem trouble getting my left shoulder out of the way in my down swing....causing me to actually "miss" the ball in front....can you give me any pointers?
Thanks!
curtissii 3 years ago
awesome swing. Very very informative. Thanks.
boandgoy 3 years ago
Jeff,
I'm a one plane convert and love the difference it has made to my game. I'm having one recurring problem that I hope you could assist with, I have developed a tendency to hit fat. What can I do to fix this?
Thanks for your great videos!
Gary
Gazza2588 3 years ago
How do you get the swing so short and laid off?
ryediggy 3 years ago
the swing is good i like it however it looks slightly steep on teh way down to me?? also, your spine angle seems to be closer to 55 than to 90 which is what you are stating is the correct angle. although i am by no means a pga teacher it appears to me that you look hunched over. please correct me if i am wrong
jas2ski 3 years ago
His spine angle is 55-56 degrees. However, he states that his spine angle is 90 degrees in relation to the club at address. Forms almost a perfect right angle at his belt line (pause at 2:14). He is not "hunched" over. Lower back is straight, upper back does have a slight curve. This is the amount of tilt you need for a One Plane Swing. Not sure how you could call his swing "steep." He gets slightly above plane at impact, but less than 5 degrees.
randomhero1090 3 years ago
Jeff can you put up a side view of the one plane swing? I want to see how the shoulder turn is cause im making the switch over this month.
Koe213 3 years ago
Thanks for this. I have all Jim Hardy's videos and books plus his and Mike La Bauve stuff from academy live. This is a real treat, you have a beautiful swing and explain it so well. Would it be possible to do something like this from the front view? It really helped me a lot. Thanks for all your stuff on here
stephenperera 4 years ago
Jeff,
Thanks for your explanation of the one plane transition move. Lowering my left knee slightly as I complete my backswing, instead of forcing a hip turn is the key I have been searching for.
taroroot1 4 years ago
Great job in explaining how many people would think you're "laid off" at the top of your swing when in fact it's just a short shoulder turn. I used to erroneously think I was laid off at the top because of my short shoulder turn and when I started turning my shoulders more I started hitting it farther without losing accuracy.
Eazy2C 4 years ago
Jeff,
Alan from UK here.
Thanks for a great video. This is the simplest and best explanation I have seen for the one plane swing.
Without realising it this is what I have been trying to do for a while now. It kust feels right and feels powerful.
Once again thanks for the great explanation.
pengwynuk 4 years ago
Jeff,
Real nice swing and great explanation...I met Hardy this year and learned quite a bit from him in one day. I have a problem getting my shaft to set properly on plane like your swing. Work in progress.
Nick Paez
PGA Professional
Cleveland,OH
nrpaez 4 years ago
Great post, it helped clear up some of my confusion on the one plane swing...Thanks!
kawboy20 4 years ago