my 2 friends fell down 800 ft. (thats how far the found the car) off the side of a cliff on Azusa. They were both in a 2005 s2k. Both survived with minor injuries. Thanks god.
damn niice vid!..i was at Azusa yesterday(Jan.1, 2010) and a stock 4 door corrolla crashed and flew off the cliff...there were 4 people in the car..they all came out safe..
@integraxdc2 Wow, they were really lucky considering the drop off the road at almost any given section is at least 50 feet or more. Don't tell me they were racing around up there in a Corrolla!? lol
The reason it's harder to drift is probably because it has tons of grip with little torque. I imagine drifting an s2000 would feel similar to drifting a mid-engine car. If you let off the the gas or ride the brake you'll spin out very quickly. To control this you have to actually keep on the gas while counter steering, definitely not something to practice on the street. Also noticed in your other videos that you move your hands way too much, drifting requires good hand work. Just my 2 cents.
@damitmanable Thanks for the great response. Its actually quite similiar to a mid-engine because the engine is pushed back right up agaisn't the fire wall in the bay. The whole 50/50 weight thing just like most mid-engine cars ie lotus or mr-2. There definitely insn't any drifting to be done in my car though, its just a little wish of mine to drift. Not happening on my R-compound tires. I wouldn't ever think of attempting that on the street though.
Most FR cars have close to 50/50 weight distribution so thats not really the problem. The problem is high grip levels due to the light weight nature of the s2000. That combined with with to little torque. When the car starts to drift it will likely gain traction very quickly causing it to rapidly rotate resulting in a spin or snap oversteer. With some extra torque though you could keep them spinning. Because of all this you'll have to be a lot more aggressive in getting the car to drift.
It would actually be easier to drift it at high speeds than at slow ones. In the end though it just depends on what you want to do with the car and then tuning/modding the car to get it there. R-compounds are definitely counter productive if you want to do any kind of drifting, no way it'll happen with them on. You just need to figure out want you really want most because with R-compound I would think it's purely grip. If you don't want to compromise then I'd say buy a cheap 240sx and use that.
@damitmanable Interesting that you noticed my hands, its kinda of a pet peeve of mine and I'm aware of it but its mostly just to dry my hands during straight-aways. That steering wheel is like a catchers mit. lol
Thanks, I try to stay in my lane religiously except for the mini-S turn or rock debris. Further more you can see a majority of any cars coming down if you look further down the mountain side before going into a turn.
Not really talking about when your wiping sweat off. It seems like you generally keep your left hand some where between 11 and 7 while right is between 1 and 5 relative to the hours on a clock. Your constantly moving your hands to keep them in that general range. You should try to keep your hands on the wheel as long and much as possible. Look up this video without quotes to see what I mean, "Keiichi Tsuchiya Rare ae86 footage"
One reason why this is really important is because it'll allow you to turn the wheel at a greater radius with one swip down or up and much faster too. This is very useful if you all of a sudden get snap oversteer all of a sudden. For example, lets say your turning right when you get snap oversteer. If it where you driving your left hand would be around 11-11:30. This means you could counter steer down to 7 or 6 before having to reposition your hands. That does not provide much of an
initial counter steering radius. If you kept your hands on longer then you could go from like 2-3 down to again 7 or 6 before having to reposition your hands. This would give more initial steering angle which could make the difference between spinning out and gaining control. Moving hands will almost always be slower than just keeping your hands on the wheel.
Thats a very interesting point you make there. I have to say I've never thought of it that way until now, it makes perfect sense. Guess there is some reasoning after all behind the 10/2 hand placement that you read about in that permit book (granted reasoning was never stated) you get receive when you're 15.
@damitmanable I just wanted to let you know that after reading your comment that I took what you said to heart and it has improved my handling ability 10 fold. Thank you.
Just noticed in you other comment you posted, "reasoning after all behind the 10/2 hand placement". This is usually a good hand placement especially for performance oriented driving but for normal driving I would actually read your drivers manual. Different manufactures recommend different hand placements due to how their particular airbag is setup, some actually recommend as low as 8/4. Just an interesting side note. Anyway, have fun with your s2000, great car!
Wow this videos almost as long as this road lol. Nice video valcgo. And nice ride you could get some better tires if you really want to drift. I recommend some shaved Toyo Proxies fz4's !
The S2000 can drift, but it would need a lot of mods, mostly suspension strengthening and replacing the electronic steering with hydraulic steering.
Rogers1977 6 months ago
my 2 friends fell down 800 ft. (thats how far the found the car) off the side of a cliff on Azusa. They were both in a 2005 s2k. Both survived with minor injuries. Thanks god.
Nazfizzle 1 year ago
@Nazfizzle Wow, they are really lucky. Some of the 'drop offs' are pretty steep. Glad to hear they literally walked away from it. thanks for sharing.
Valcgo 1 year ago
DID IT REALLT TAKE YOU 7 MINUTES TO GET UP THERE
hellapnoy 1 year ago
@hellapnoy how long should it take? lol
Valcgo 1 year ago
shit is effing slow man
daxkhmer 1 year ago
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hellapnoy 1 year ago
damn niice vid!..i was at Azusa yesterday(Jan.1, 2010) and a stock 4 door corrolla crashed and flew off the cliff...there were 4 people in the car..they all came out safe..
integraxdc2 2 years ago
@integraxdc2 Wow, they were really lucky considering the drop off the road at almost any given section is at least 50 feet or more. Don't tell me they were racing around up there in a Corrolla!? lol
Valcgo 1 year ago
@Valcgo it was a bone stock 2003 corolla...i think they were double lanning and got scared of oncoming traffic
integraxdc2 1 year ago
The reason it's harder to drift is probably because it has tons of grip with little torque. I imagine drifting an s2000 would feel similar to drifting a mid-engine car. If you let off the the gas or ride the brake you'll spin out very quickly. To control this you have to actually keep on the gas while counter steering, definitely not something to practice on the street. Also noticed in your other videos that you move your hands way too much, drifting requires good hand work. Just my 2 cents.
damitmanable 2 years ago
@damitmanable Thanks for the great response. Its actually quite similiar to a mid-engine because the engine is pushed back right up agaisn't the fire wall in the bay. The whole 50/50 weight thing just like most mid-engine cars ie lotus or mr-2. There definitely insn't any drifting to be done in my car though, its just a little wish of mine to drift. Not happening on my R-compound tires. I wouldn't ever think of attempting that on the street though.
Valcgo 2 years ago
Most FR cars have close to 50/50 weight distribution so thats not really the problem. The problem is high grip levels due to the light weight nature of the s2000. That combined with with to little torque. When the car starts to drift it will likely gain traction very quickly causing it to rapidly rotate resulting in a spin or snap oversteer. With some extra torque though you could keep them spinning. Because of all this you'll have to be a lot more aggressive in getting the car to drift.
damitmanable 2 years ago
It would actually be easier to drift it at high speeds than at slow ones. In the end though it just depends on what you want to do with the car and then tuning/modding the car to get it there. R-compounds are definitely counter productive if you want to do any kind of drifting, no way it'll happen with them on. You just need to figure out want you really want most because with R-compound I would think it's purely grip. If you don't want to compromise then I'd say buy a cheap 240sx and use that.
damitmanable 2 years ago
@damitmanable Interesting that you noticed my hands, its kinda of a pet peeve of mine and I'm aware of it but its mostly just to dry my hands during straight-aways. That steering wheel is like a catchers mit. lol
Valcgo 2 years ago
Try staying in your lane so you don't run the rest of us canyon carvers off of the road. Nice video angle though.
ravynx 2 years ago
Thanks, I try to stay in my lane religiously except for the mini-S turn or rock debris. Further more you can see a majority of any cars coming down if you look further down the mountain side before going into a turn.
Valcgo 2 years ago
Not really talking about when your wiping sweat off. It seems like you generally keep your left hand some where between 11 and 7 while right is between 1 and 5 relative to the hours on a clock. Your constantly moving your hands to keep them in that general range. You should try to keep your hands on the wheel as long and much as possible. Look up this video without quotes to see what I mean, "Keiichi Tsuchiya Rare ae86 footage"
damitmanable 2 years ago
One reason why this is really important is because it'll allow you to turn the wheel at a greater radius with one swip down or up and much faster too. This is very useful if you all of a sudden get snap oversteer all of a sudden. For example, lets say your turning right when you get snap oversteer. If it where you driving your left hand would be around 11-11:30. This means you could counter steer down to 7 or 6 before having to reposition your hands. That does not provide much of an
damitmanable 2 years ago
initial counter steering radius. If you kept your hands on longer then you could go from like 2-3 down to again 7 or 6 before having to reposition your hands. This would give more initial steering angle which could make the difference between spinning out and gaining control. Moving hands will almost always be slower than just keeping your hands on the wheel.
damitmanable 2 years ago
It's late and I'm tired so please excuse all the spelling mistakes, lol.
damitmanable 2 years ago
Thats a very interesting point you make there. I have to say I've never thought of it that way until now, it makes perfect sense. Guess there is some reasoning after all behind the 10/2 hand placement that you read about in that permit book (granted reasoning was never stated) you get receive when you're 15.
Valcgo 2 years ago
@damitmanable I just wanted to let you know that after reading your comment that I took what you said to heart and it has improved my handling ability 10 fold. Thank you.
Valcgo 1 year ago
That's great man, keep it up.
Just noticed in you other comment you posted, "reasoning after all behind the 10/2 hand placement". This is usually a good hand placement especially for performance oriented driving but for normal driving I would actually read your drivers manual. Different manufactures recommend different hand placements due to how their particular airbag is setup, some actually recommend as low as 8/4. Just an interesting side note. Anyway, have fun with your s2000, great car!
damitmanable 1 year ago
'dreaded snap oversteer is waiting on the other side" sooo true man, still trying to get use to it in my S
MonkayMan 2 years ago
Wow this videos almost as long as this road lol. Nice video valcgo. And nice ride you could get some better tires if you really want to drift. I recommend some shaved Toyo Proxies fz4's !
ahdunheved 2 years ago