its weird, I went to catholic school for 12 years and they always skipped this story and most of the more harsh punishments in deutoronomy, by the time i graduated I figured they just didn't think throwing themselves through the mental hoops was worth it and figured it was better to just teach us to accept it. I hate that place
OK I GUESS I UNDERSTAND : WHEN GOD SAY SOMETHING ITS EVIL THAT MEANS ITS EVIL BUT THAT EVIL CAN BE GOOD UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES EVEN IF IT WAS EVIL.......................UNDERSTOOD???
This might be your masterpiece! I wanna make a theatre version of it and troll the local church into letting me perform my interpretation of Judges! Oh the potential lols THE POTENTIAL LOLS OF GLOOOORY!
Even if jephthah didn't kill his daughter, he asked for God's blessing to go slaughter and do some real damage. Either way or any way you look at it, it's Ka Ka.
It's ironic that many years ago when I sought to strengthen my faith by actually reading the Bible that I became an Atheist. Most Christians don't get it, we are the ones who read, study and research the Bible. I used to be Christian so I get both sides. That's what infuriates Christians. We have more of a grasp of their religion than they do. How can you seriously deny the horrible shit in the Bible? It's like a raging addict in fierce denial b4 the acceptance.
Regarding God killing children, you missed one: 2 Samuel 12:15-18: "And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick. David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth. And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them. And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died."
@radelgratereaux I can't remember where it is but, yes actually. Yahweh was once part of a Pantheon and was indeed the war god. I will provide the video (when I find it and granted you don't first/ it's not taken down)
"...then frankly, you can go and know yourself!" Brilliant.
The thing I like best about these videos is the subtitling of the source text. It makes it that much tougher for apologists to lie about context.. er.. I mean...refute the content.
According to my Jewish friend Jephthah's daughter wasn't sacrificed but rather the sacrifice was that she would never marry. He says that the King James Version is mistranslated and that this is obvious when the passage is read in Hebrew. I don't believe him.
"You can go know yourself!" LMAO man, I wish my mother understood that it's never ok to murder babies, under any circumstance, even if it is God. "He works in mysterious ways." So do serial killers.
(cont) 38And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains. 39And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed
36And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the LORD hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon. 37And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity. 38And he said
It's funny that tektontv claims Jepthah's murder of his own daughter is a claim made by atheists when you can do a quick google search and see that Catholics and Jews also say Jepthah offed his own kid.
@SaucerheadTharp A quick Google search also can get the scripture. Which clearly says he killed her. Of course, theists are liable to claim "He rode his ass from village to village searching for a wife" means "He got drunk & prayed to Satan & a wife appeared in his tent" if it suits their purpose while claiming it cannot be understood by non believers.
I always thought the ending to this story was that she lived the rest of her life in celibacy in a temple somewhere. I never once read a verse about god killing her. Can someone direct me to the exact verse where she gets killed?
The apologetics are claiming that Jephthah never killed his daughter and that the verse about her bewailing her virginity implies that she was obligated to lives as a virgin, which is supposedly punishing Jephthah (somehow) by ending his lineage.
Basically, they've downplayed her murder, replacing it with the lesser evil of punishing an innocent girl for the deeds of her father by forcing her to live a celibate, loveless, childless life! Praise Yahweh, for he is fair and just....
(Judges 3:22) the hilt also went in after the blade, and the fat closed over the blade, for he did not draw the sword out of his belly; and the dirt came out.
Wow, this story was pretty disturbing. I had never read judges. I really hate the character Yahweh right now. If this was real I would join in with the ranks of Satan LOL.
So... child sacrifice... a burnt offering no less. Now tell me your god isn't basically foul and evil. Smacks of what he did to Jesus really... except Jesus had cheat codes.
Well that's interesting, but I think it actually flies in the face of what it actually says in the Bible. Also, if Jephthah's daughter was somehow allowed to live, why does it say in Judges 11:39-40 - "And it was a custom that in Israel that the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah". You don't lament the living. You TPT are in denial.
@tektontv Interesting. The rating options have been disabled. Conditions have been set on how one may respond to your video. I can only surmise that such conditions are set, so that you can dismiss any future argument by simply saying to another "you didn't read all of it". Which of course, is a rule given by you, where the interpretation and execution lie solely in your hands. Just like Yahweh and his followers. So...
Semantics + Rebellious Older Daughter + Public Vow = Okay to Murder?
Jephthah's story is traditionally used to demonstrate the problem with making impulsive oaths to God. His actions were wrong ones. God doesn't intervene to prevent us from using our free will to do evil. This is different from the story of Abraham because God did not command Jephthah to do anything. Funny video, though.
@antalz Actually his daughter does assent to whatever her father's oath requires (Judges 11:36-37). However, it didn't require him to sacrifice her as a burnt offering, which was a specific ritual reserved for a limited set of male animals. Rather, he probably was forced to set her aside for God, a life we would recognize as being similar to that of a nun. He would therefore have no descendants in the land, a miserable state for an ancient Isrealite.
@JWHurwitz It did too require him to sacrifice her as a burnt offering, because that's what he said he would do in verse 31. And in 39 it says he "did with her according to his vow which he had vowed" which in 31 his vow was "I will offer it up for a burnt offering." Plus the idea of her becoming a nun doesn't make sense because verse 40 says Israelite women lamented her for 4 days out of the year, and I'm sure they wouldn't be sad that she served the Lord for the rest of her life.
@JackDavid6405 He actually vowed that "[it] will be the LORD’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering". A burnt offering is a special ritual used for specific male animals. It also requires that the priests eat part of the sacrifice. Do you think that Jephthah forces priests to cannibalize his daughter? The word for "and" is actually a common idiom for "or", used to show conviction. Jephthah is saying he will commit *something* to God, and he wrongly expects it to be an animal.
@JWHurwitz But you could easily make the argument that the typical sacrificial rules don't apply here. The rules laid out in Leviticus 1 were about burnt offerings that someone wanted to do of their own free will (ver 3) as a means to atone for their sins (ver 4). But here, Jephthah HAD to do it because of a promise to God (Num 30:2). So that gets rid of it having to be an animal, and the priests having to eat her afterwards.
@JackDavid6405 Can you name a single example given where the Law was supervened for a sacrificial offering, much less one that would be abhorrent to God? I do know my Bible, and I'm close to 100% sure that this never occurs. If it doesn't, then the interpretation that Jephthah satisfied his vow by having his daughter dedicated to God seems to be a sound one.
@JWHurwitz "Can you name a single example given where the Law was supervened for a sacrificial offering, much less one that would be abhorrent to God?" ... Jesus? I'm sorry. I really couldn't help myself on that.
@JWHurwitz But to be serious, you could say this is one of those times, if not the only one. And I'm not saying God wanted or liked it. And let's just say hypothetically you're right, sacrificing her would have been against the law. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. And you can say that's the point of the story. "Don't make unnecessary promises without thinking them through". I've seen annotated Bibles that say the same thing. So it's not like it's just an un-Christian thing interpretation.
@JackDavid6405 Well, if you take into account all of the other evidence, and consider some analogous scenarios, the conclusion that she wasn't sacrificed is very reasonable. The lesson you point out is a commonly taught one, I just believe now that it's not entirely correct. In either case, it's not like this story has huge import for Christians. It's a single story from a short OT book : / Moreover, it doesn't actually contain any doctrine or much in the way of a valuable lesson.
@JWHurwitz In the end, I just don't accept the "She became a nun" theory, and even if I was a Christian I still wouldn't. But in the end I guess we might as well agree to disagree to it, because I feel we've gone as far as we can on this. Thanks for an actual good, respectful conversation. I tried before with another guy on the same thing, but to put it nicely, he was an arrogant dickface, and probably the #1 person I wish I never had the misery of knowing existed.
@JackDavid6405 I think I'd have to agree, and likewise. Arrogant people suck! (I should know, I'm one of them!) It is a bit of an odd chapter, but what bears reflecting on is that it seems unusual precisely because it stands out from the rest of a book that teaches us about a loving all-good creator, who is a friend to the downtrodden and a savior to the lost. Thanks for a good discussion. May God richly bless you!
@JackDavid6405 Actually, being committed to ending your family line by neglecting to ever bear any children was a pretty horrible fate in ancient Israel. Progeny and land was considered a sign of God's favor and the *only* way to have any kind of immortality. Jephthah's daughter was seen to have ended any chance of lasting favor with God for herself and her family. Moreover, if she was killed, why was she lamenting her virginity? Wouldn't she have lamented... being murdered as a sacrifice? O_o
@JWHurwitz "Progeny and land was considered a sign of God's favor and the *only* way to have any kind of immortality."
Does that not sound even the slightest bit strange to you? That sounds more like something a pagan god would do, and not the Almighty creator of the universe who is suppose to be above all that.
"Jephthah's daughter was seen to have ended any chance of lasting favor with God for herself and her family."
@JackDavid6405 The religion that God gave to the Isrealites was incomplete, that's why Jesus had to come to finish the work : ) They were affected by the cultures around them, and yeah, it is weird to moderns, but that's just how ancient people were. I'll admit that the second statement you quoted might have been a bit much. I just meant to emphasize how her willing sacrifice might have been seen as significant.
@JWHurwitz " if she was killed, why was she lamenting her virginity? Wouldn't she have lamented... being murdered as a sacrifice? O_o"
You could say she was lamenting over the fact that she was never gonna have kids due to her being killed, and not necessarily the being killed part itself. ^_^
Lol. Checked the Judges verse. The guy didn't really shit himself, his servants just thought he was shitting after he'd died and locked himself in a room. But damn that fart and death scream made this video so I can't complain.
those debating last week are both seriously disturbed people and both claiming to be Christian- one saying that the old testament is evil and not about the true god and the other accusing that person of being a demon. Weird.
When there are disagreements between translations I like to get a view from the Jewish side. Interestingly and unusually, the Jewish encyclopedia starts to sound like Christian apologetics in relation to this story claiming it to be unhistorical and a later invention.
@jacksawild - And, some Jews appear to translate this story like Christians do. Possibly indicating that the Jews were actually moved to accept Christian interpretation and apologetics on some topics.
Then, again the Christian interpretation of of Jephthah's daughter being forced to become a nun seems to originate from Medieval times.
I guess, it only shows how much time, place, and changes in empathy and perspective can alter the "perfect word of God".
great video, love the truth through stick figures, keep it up, but its sad youtube's "up next" selection is crusin' with jesus, christian motorcycling..
why many hate Jesus when he has given all the freedom man kind wants? You can eat whatever you like, drink whatever you like, fuck and get fucked with ever you like. lie, steal and kill as much as you like and after that simply believe in Lord Jesus and wear a cross and you can go to heaven, what they want more???
Just the kind of dumbassed story I'd expect from semi-civilized, Bronze Age barbarians. That God whose sensibilities evolves with that of the people is revealed to be an invention.
I look up every verse....? I'm not a Christian but I'm not that fucking dumb?... None of that was clear? Every verse was not as they said in the video. They twisted up every word in the bible and made God look like a bad guy?... Videos gay
All atheists are mere distorters of truth, skilled deceivers they are and no wonder for their father satan is the father of all lies into which subset fall the atheists.
@j919or "All atheists are mere distorters of truth, skilled deceivers they are and no wonder for their father satan is the father of all lies into which subset fall the atheists."
When you say things like that, you do nothing but show your own desperation, and it makes you look like you might be mental. So I would suggest you stop.
Jephtach didn't even consider her for a blood sacrifice. That was idolatry and forbidden. She agreed to become dedicated to Gd like a nun, and never marry.
If god ever told me to sacrifice my daughter. I'd tell him to go FUCK himself. And next time don't make people with a natural desire to love family and then ask them to kill them. And don't you christians give me that 'speil' about how god had to do it. God raised him up 3 days later. did jephthah get to see his daughter 3 days later
i do have to say though,, this was kinnda funny even if it was off... my favorite part is when the guy craps himself. even that was not right but funny... the book says his "dirt came out" meaning food because he was fat meaning waist in his stomach not his a hole.... but still funny..
didnt have time, so heres a random one that caught my attention. (PSA 137:9) if any athiest or christians actualy notices, its the book that seems to look like a coster if you read the whole PSA. its talking about babylon taking over and they are the ones that took babies and killed. not god. none stamp collector, i understand where your coming from with this stuff. their are some crazzy things in this book but you cant twist. you doing that makes you no different than any religious people...
@SuperVice123 Psalms 137 was talking about how terrible they felt during Babylonian captivity and a little about how they were treated, but the last two verses of it talks about they (the Jews) will get their revenge on the Babylonians, and the smashing babies on rocks was part of that.
No wonder most of the time at my christian retreats was spent praying, if it was spent actually learning about the bible and many of its controversial passages, many people would be turned off and leave. Kind of like how I'm getting now.
I don't understand how christians can find this perfectly acceptable and an act of faith, but if this were to happen today, everyone would think the person went crazy and should be locked up for the rest of his life. How come it was ok for god to allow human sacrifce then, but now people are crazy to do it?
@xtremejohnny69 People will always come up with whatever excuses possible to justify something when they want to, and more importantly, when they NEED to, such as with religion. Any religion. Of course it's not only in religion. Ordinary people do the same thing over other ordinary things everyday as well (Politics is the first thing that comes to my mind). But it seems to be more prevalent in religion.
Yo Stamp for what it worth I was told that the story of Jephthah is a parable condemning mans arrogance and unthinking bravado in the face of God (as opposed to a story of child sacrifice permitted by the Lord).
Yeah, that explanation didnt make a hell of a lot of sense to me either....
@NonStampCollector You should do one of Exodus 32. God tells Moses He wants the golden calf worshipers killed. Moses says no and that it's "evil", and God agrees with him, and repents of even thinking it. Then Moses sees what's going on and says "Kill them all!", to which God agrees to, saying He will bless those who take part in it. And Aaron, the one who should have known better, yet still made the calf himself, wasn't punished, and his excuse was "They made me do it. You know how they are."
@j919or 1. Yes it does. His vow in verse 31 was that he would sacrifice the first thing as a burnt offering. His daughter was the first thing, and verse 39 says he did with her according to his vow. So yeah. She was burned.
2. You're right. But that doesn't help, because then why didn't God stop it like the angels were begging Him to in the video?
1. Specific language is not emplyoed. ANd it would need to be employed to overcome the readers knowledge of the impossiblity of the fulfillment of that vow.
2. Ok Im right and the video is wrong for it implies that God made a bargain with Jeff. God says in the vid"whats in it for me if i give u the Ammonites?"
4. No there isnt? Burnt sacrifices had to be male, not human, couldnt be vow offerings, had to be done by a priest.
@j919or 1. Yes it is, and I already gave it to you. All you did was ignore it, and say I was wrong.
2. Basically.
4. Yeah, for sacrifices that God commanded Himself for other situations, but as you have already said, God didn't command this one. This one was Jephthah's side of the deal that he promised to do, so the sacrificial rules don't apply to this, because this was a completely different situation.
@JackDavid6405 1. The vow was for a burnt offering but no priest would allow that and Jeff knew the law that forbode it. He never would go thru with it. The text only says that he went thru with the vow it didnt say that he went thru with a burnt offering. Vows were public and anyone wouldve corrected him that a vow offering is NEVER a burnt offering. Plus a priest would correct him post victory.
@j919or 1. The vow IS the burnt offering. You can say human sacrifice is evil, and that Jephthah knew that, but David knew that killing and adultery were evil, but did that stop him? No. You can say a priest or someone would have changed his mind, but if he did change it, it would say so. That's why I say the idea that she became a nun is baseless.
@j919or I would also recommend you read Numbers 30:2 to understand why there would be a reason for him to go along with it.
"If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth."
4. Jeff knew that offering human sacrifice was evil would he do evil to fulfill the vow or just offer her to life long service. All contextual clues say he did.
@j919or 4. "Jeff knew that offering human sacrifice was evil would he do evil to fulfill the vow or just offer her to life long service. All contextual clues say he did"
31Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.
According to this, it would be the former. All contextual clues say he did.
Sacrificial rules do apply here . WHo besides you say they dont apply? One cant vow to do evil and then be compeled to do it. Jeff vowed to do evil in that a vow offering was NEVER a burnt offering and a burnt offering was never a human so after his daughter came thru the door, the original vow became more evil. No priest wouldve done this but rather corrected his vow to fit the law. But unbelievers dont want the truth so continue to fight me on this.
@j919or@JackDavid6405 The one piece of evidence you are both missing, is that "Jeff" was the son of a harlot/strange woman, therefore it was not actually "thy" (Israelite) seed passing thru the fire of Molech, when he sacrificed his daughter. See Babylonian Talmud for further explanation of Gentiles/Goyim. The Israelites sacrificed non-Israelites all of the time!! Murderous Moses comes to mind. Also, see very last word of Old Testament....."curse." Last word of New Testament Egyptian...."Amen."
@j919or I have absolutely NO doubt about God's existence! Therefore, I am using my God-gifted common sense to know that He would never command the murders of children, or send his supposed angels to do it for me. Come on! Look around you at the miraculous universe that has been created. Are you kidding me? The Jews invaded Egypt, and if you read Gen 47, you will see how they also impoverished the Egyptians, by theft....just like they're doing today. The word Bible contains the word, LIE. Wake up
@Wildrhody The demons dont doubt GOds existence either. I repeat that u are spawn of hell and woe unto you!
If God wills, I will debate you and destroy your "common sense" based lies. In your world babies dont die or if they do die God could not have prevented it. So your ideas of God is that he is weak and unable to stop babies from dying, abortions etc. Prepare to have your dark arguments crushed until you run away.
@j919or I'm not sure if you read my other comment about circumcision, so I hope you respond to it. Also, I have NO idea what you were trying to say about babies and God, but in the Bible, it clearly shows how the Israelites killed babies, and blamed it on God.
"For what is greater blasphemy to ascribe the wickedness of man to the orders of the Almighty." Thomas Paine.
Think about it! They also killed Jesus, who was trying to tell the TRUTH about them!!
1. The Jews didnt invade Egypt. But they lived there and later were enslaved.
2. Babies of the heathen grow up to be heathen. Moses was told to wipe out the Amalekites. He didnt. 400 years later they were just as evil as ever.
3. The Egyptians abused the Israelites for hundreds of years and then the Egyptians were forced by God to free them and give them provisions for their journey.
4. Yes keep making ur evil quips and i will continue to exposed u as the demon that u are.
6. They lamented her virginity. IOW that she would never marry and never bear children and there would be no heir and the estate and the family would be lost.
5. Offering her into the service of the Lord would be a sacrifice but not a death/burnt sacrifice.
7. Just a heads up where there is suicide , abortion and BLASPHEMY there is satan and where ppl embrace satan there is hell. It really seems that yall are heading for hell. Just a heads up.
@j919or 5. I'll agree with that statement alone, but it doesn't apply here at all. I've heard the "She became a nun" idea, but that's nothing but a completely ludicrous, and baseless excuse that's used to ignore what the situation really is.
6. No, they lamented her death. Your excuse is going off the Nun theory, which I already said is 100% baseless. Yes, she was upset that she would never marry. But that's because she was about to die. Not because she was going to become a nun.
@JackDavid6405 5. U spouted that it was "ludicrous" but didnt say why.
6. It no where says that they lamented her DEATH. It only says they lamented her virginity. you spout assertions and dont back them with evidence/reasons. ANd no wonder bc u r in the dark. No one mourns their own death before they die. Mourning is to prepare one for the next phase of LIFE.
@j919or 5. I thought it was ludicrous because of how baseless it was, and because it looks like nothing but a desperate attempt to sugar coat it, and turn it into something that it's not. That's all.
@j919or 6. "39... And it was a custom in Israel, 40That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year." KJV
I don't see anything about them lamenting her virginity, or her death. But if you actually read the rest of it, it doesn't take much to put 2 and 2 together, and figure out that they were lamenting her death.
i can't believe people don't let their kids watch certain movies, read certain books (like harry potter) or play certain video games. yet they hand their kid a bible, which is filled with pornographic material, bloody violence and a VERY violent main character. AND they actually tell their kids about how they'll burn for ever and how sheitan will get their soul if they misbehave. it hurts my brain thinking about it. i just can't fathom it.
@TakumaDemonReborn No, she was definitely killed. It says in verse 30 - 31 that he vowed to offer up the first thing that came out of his house as a burnt offering. His daughter was the first thing to come out of the house, and in verse 39 it say Jephthah "... did with her according to his vow which he had vowed". So yeah, she was killed without a doubt.
@TakumaDemonReborn It wasn't stated that Jesus had a phobia of fluffy dice, or that Paul suffered from a facial tic, or that Moses stole candy when he was 6, or that Abraham didn't care much for the company of Isaac as an adult and wished yahweh didn't stop the sacrafice, or that Adam had confused feelings about that snake, brought out certain urges apparently, I think yahweh showed him that Britney video! However, I KNOW all these things to be true, you couldn't possibly understand how, sorry!
Yahweh was very ruthless throughout the adventures shown in the Bible... its a great wonder how folks would love and worship a deity like this who has done such horrible things to humans... though do theists really love this God they claim... or just proclaim him out of fear of dying and going to an Eternal Hell as many believe ?
Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.’ 34But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
@BrokenAeroVT I find you right in you argument. I don't know if you think this is justified, but that wasn't what you were arguing. Soooooo yeah, I agree but you do find this to be wrong right?
@unlimitedchikara Cultural context is relavent here. What is often seen as right in one culture is wrong in another. Was the act justified in YHWH's eyes? I have no f*ng clue. I was never commissioned by any god to speak for him/her, and a there are a lot of fanatical people running around who have neglected this fact concerning themselves as well.
the "I'm so sorry" at 8:55 actually managed to be really heartbreaking despite being a cartoon. How could anyone watch this and then imagine themselves in Jepthah's place and think "yes I would plunge the knife into my loved one's heart as they beg for mercy"?
@nicks210684 J's daughter wasn't begging for mercy. She knew of the vow and wanted it fulfilled. She only asked for two months to go to the mountains and "weep for her virginity". Then to let it be done to her as he said. She was clearly a willing sacrifice.
@BrokenAeroVT "a willing sacrifice?" Unbelievable. Try and rationalise it however you like. But just imagine your child or sibling or parent or whoever looking up at you as you hold the knife. Even if you've brainwashed them into willingly lying on the alter, they'll still be screaming as you plunge the knife in and they bleed out before you. If you honestly think that's a morally correct act then there is no helping you.
@nicks210684 Hey, don't accuse me of rationalizing. I'm just telling you what the passage says. As for you, you are clearly emotionalizing, digressing from the document in discussion. I never said it was moral or immoral. Your emotionalism is clearly leading you astray from reality.
@BrokenAeroVT Okay, you're correct; you didn't say it was moral or immoral. You certainly implied that it was somehow okay because his daughter 'agreed' to be sacrificed (of course I doubt that would stand up in court). Perhaps you don't think that. I certainly hope not. As for 'emotionalizing', I fail to see why pointing out what a traumatic experience this would be is a digression...I think it's quite relevant actually.
@nicks210684 The passage strongly indicates his daughter was willing to be sacrificed. I didn't imply anything by simply reiterating the content of the passage. Your conclusion wasn't derived from the evidence of the source text; therefore, it was merely emotional speculation, imagination--digression away from the only evidence at hand. What difference does it make if I think her sacrifice was okay or not? (not my point) Who died and made you commisioner of the morality police?
the ending of this video was priceless
beeto45 7 hours ago
its weird, I went to catholic school for 12 years and they always skipped this story and most of the more harsh punishments in deutoronomy, by the time i graduated I figured they just didn't think throwing themselves through the mental hoops was worth it and figured it was better to just teach us to accept it. I hate that place
aboutfalling1992 13 hours ago
OK I GUESS I UNDERSTAND : WHEN GOD SAY SOMETHING ITS EVIL THAT MEANS ITS EVIL BUT THAT EVIL CAN BE GOOD UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES EVEN IF IT WAS EVIL.......................UNDERSTOOD???
SurBlade 1 day ago
poor cephalopods getting conquered by God's people.
SephieRothe 1 day ago in playlist Creationism rebutted
This might be your masterpiece! I wanna make a theatre version of it and troll the local church into letting me perform my interpretation of Judges! Oh the potential lols THE POTENTIAL LOLS OF GLOOOORY!
mansanraps 2 days ago
You made me hate god ^^
Schoening91 3 days ago
those evil, evil babies...
MadBasstid 4 days ago in playlist More videos from NonStampCollector 2
I can't believe as a child I was so accepting of this...
Springsong5 4 days ago 2
wow, this is quite an epic video!
ndjarnag 6 days ago
Even if jephthah didn't kill his daughter, he asked for God's blessing to go slaughter and do some real damage. Either way or any way you look at it, it's Ka Ka.
paramattic70 6 days ago
It's ironic that many years ago when I sought to strengthen my faith by actually reading the Bible that I became an Atheist. Most Christians don't get it, we are the ones who read, study and research the Bible. I used to be Christian so I get both sides. That's what infuriates Christians. We have more of a grasp of their religion than they do. How can you seriously deny the horrible shit in the Bible? It's like a raging addict in fierce denial b4 the acceptance.
paramattic70 6 days ago 2
Regarding God killing children, you missed one: 2 Samuel 12:15-18: "And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick. David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth. And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them. And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died."
nothosaur 1 week ago
yahweh would have known it was the daughter that was coming out of the house
goemon9378 1 week ago
Stravinsky is God. (I mean that in a good way.)
geneolune 1 week ago
"...Actually I am..." I almost lost my shit there!
pillowpants0804 1 week ago
this only make sense when you examine the evidence and realize that Yahweh was only one of many gods, the god of war.
radelgratereaux 1 week ago
@radelgratereaux I can't remember where it is but, yes actually. Yahweh was once part of a Pantheon and was indeed the war god. I will provide the video (when I find it and granted you don't first/ it's not taken down)
KittenKitoko 4 days ago
"...then frankly, you can go and know yourself!" Brilliant.
The thing I like best about these videos is the subtitling of the source text. It makes it that much tougher for apologists to lie about context.. er.. I mean...refute the content.
ChipArgyle 2 weeks ago
The soundtrack was absolutely perfect.
csmith0191 2 weeks ago
Its shit like this thats the number 1 reason that most people that read the bible become atheists
deathman1021 2 weeks ago
@deathman1021 good
eternitysfallen666 2 weeks ago
@eternitysfallen666 it certainly is
deathman1021 2 weeks ago
According to my Jewish friend Jephthah's daughter wasn't sacrificed but rather the sacrifice was that she would never marry. He says that the King James Version is mistranslated and that this is obvious when the passage is read in Hebrew. I don't believe him.
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@Pillowpants8495 neither would i, that reeks of bullshit
deathman1021 2 weeks ago
lol @ stravinsky at the end
Theduffman4333 3 weeks ago
"bitch had it comming" i really need to start believing in this book christians talk about. it should be called "god is always pissed"
kenshin9894 4 weeks ago
LOL
Dsi1ver 1 month ago
Such a beautiful story about the power of god!!
ultim4t32 1 month ago 3
"You can go know yourself!" LMAO man, I wish my mother understood that it's never ok to murder babies, under any circumstance, even if it is God. "He works in mysterious ways." So do serial killers.
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We just discussed this bit of scripture in my music history class. We studied an oratorio based on the story. Truly, truly disgusting.
atheismforthewin1 1 month ago
I love the bickering at the end. "Shut up..... Shut up!"
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what an idiot you are,,, invest your time in something else,, you going to die real soon
albusai 2 months ago
@albusai You should get some lotion if you're going to be so butthurt.
crazyinsane500 2 months ago
@albusai Really? Did Jesus tell you that?
JaggLion 1 month ago
(cont) 38And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains. 39And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed
Strangerinasland 2 months ago
36And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the LORD hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon. 37And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity. 38And he said
Strangerinasland 2 months ago
It's funny that tektontv claims Jepthah's murder of his own daughter is a claim made by atheists when you can do a quick google search and see that Catholics and Jews also say Jepthah offed his own kid.
SaucerheadTharp 2 months ago
@SaucerheadTharp A quick Google search also can get the scripture. Which clearly says he killed her. Of course, theists are liable to claim "He rode his ass from village to village searching for a wife" means "He got drunk & prayed to Satan & a wife appeared in his tent" if it suits their purpose while claiming it cannot be understood by non believers.
Strangerinasland 2 months ago
I always thought the ending to this story was that she lived the rest of her life in celibacy in a temple somewhere. I never once read a verse about god killing her. Can someone direct me to the exact verse where she gets killed?
Klokinator 3 months ago
Amazing. Out of all the comedic versions of judeo-christian personalities yours is the best.
H4NN1B4LCL 3 months ago
The apologetics are claiming that Jephthah never killed his daughter and that the verse about her bewailing her virginity implies that she was obligated to lives as a virgin, which is supposedly punishing Jephthah (somehow) by ending his lineage.
Basically, they've downplayed her murder, replacing it with the lesser evil of punishing an innocent girl for the deeds of her father by forcing her to live a celibate, loveless, childless life! Praise Yahweh, for he is fair and just....
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 3 months ago
Quoting god saying he doesn't lie - that's some Christian logic dere!
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"You can go know yourself." LOL
Ledwix 3 months ago
(Judges 3:22) the hilt also went in after the blade, and the fat closed over the blade, for he did not draw the sword out of his belly; and the dirt came out.
fretkills 3 months ago
Wow, this story was pretty disturbing. I had never read judges. I really hate the character Yahweh right now. If this was real I would join in with the ranks of Satan LOL.
zacthebold 3 months ago
So... child sacrifice... a burnt offering no less. Now tell me your god isn't basically foul and evil. Smacks of what he did to Jesus really... except Jesus had cheat codes.
formless777 3 months ago
@formless777 Not really, Watch tektontv's vid on this, or mine I'm releasing soon, it's complex but, the daughter doesn't die.
ThePuppyTurtle 2 months ago
@ThePuppyTurtle
Well that's interesting, but I think it actually flies in the face of what it actually says in the Bible. Also, if Jephthah's daughter was somehow allowed to live, why does it say in Judges 11:39-40 - "And it was a custom that in Israel that the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah". You don't lament the living. You TPT are in denial.
formless777 2 months ago
@formless777 Did you watch the vid I mentioned? /watch?v=OpPk4WLBcTM
ThePuppyTurtle 2 months ago
AN INSANE BLOODTHIRSTY DEATH OBSESSED MANIAC.....LOL!! I NEED OXYGEN....
TheboiwhocouldfLY 3 months ago 10
@tektontv Interesting. The rating options have been disabled. Conditions have been set on how one may respond to your video. I can only surmise that such conditions are set, so that you can dismiss any future argument by simply saying to another "you didn't read all of it". Which of course, is a rule given by you, where the interpretation and execution lie solely in your hands. Just like Yahweh and his followers. So...
Semantics + Rebellious Older Daughter + Public Vow = Okay to Murder?
Fail.
TheSleepingLionRoars 3 months ago
Thou shalt not murder but its okay when someone does it for God. How does anyone respect Yahweh?
MrEmeraldfusion 4 months ago
Jephthah's story is traditionally used to demonstrate the problem with making impulsive oaths to God. His actions were wrong ones. God doesn't intervene to prevent us from using our free will to do evil. This is different from the story of Abraham because God did not command Jephthah to do anything. Funny video, though.
JWHurwitz 4 months ago
@JWHurwitz YEs, but God is complicit, having recieved the sacrifice and given victory over the Amorites in return.
craigpsimpson 4 months ago
@JWHurwitz
jephthah's daughter never oathed anything in this story? How does she deserve to die?
Oright, death is a good thing cuz paradise, makes sense
antalz 3 months ago
@antalz Actually his daughter does assent to whatever her father's oath requires (Judges 11:36-37). However, it didn't require him to sacrifice her as a burnt offering, which was a specific ritual reserved for a limited set of male animals. Rather, he probably was forced to set her aside for God, a life we would recognize as being similar to that of a nun. He would therefore have no descendants in the land, a miserable state for an ancient Isrealite.
JWHurwitz 3 months ago
@JWHurwitz It did too require him to sacrifice her as a burnt offering, because that's what he said he would do in verse 31. And in 39 it says he "did with her according to his vow which he had vowed" which in 31 his vow was "I will offer it up for a burnt offering." Plus the idea of her becoming a nun doesn't make sense because verse 40 says Israelite women lamented her for 4 days out of the year, and I'm sure they wouldn't be sad that she served the Lord for the rest of her life.
JackDavid6405 3 months ago
@JackDavid6405 He actually vowed that "[it] will be the LORD’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering". A burnt offering is a special ritual used for specific male animals. It also requires that the priests eat part of the sacrifice. Do you think that Jephthah forces priests to cannibalize his daughter? The word for "and" is actually a common idiom for "or", used to show conviction. Jephthah is saying he will commit *something* to God, and he wrongly expects it to be an animal.
JWHurwitz 3 months ago
@JWHurwitz But you could easily make the argument that the typical sacrificial rules don't apply here. The rules laid out in Leviticus 1 were about burnt offerings that someone wanted to do of their own free will (ver 3) as a means to atone for their sins (ver 4). But here, Jephthah HAD to do it because of a promise to God (Num 30:2). So that gets rid of it having to be an animal, and the priests having to eat her afterwards.
JackDavid6405 3 months ago
@JackDavid6405 Can you name a single example given where the Law was supervened for a sacrificial offering, much less one that would be abhorrent to God? I do know my Bible, and I'm close to 100% sure that this never occurs. If it doesn't, then the interpretation that Jephthah satisfied his vow by having his daughter dedicated to God seems to be a sound one.
JWHurwitz 3 months ago
@JWHurwitz "Can you name a single example given where the Law was supervened for a sacrificial offering, much less one that would be abhorrent to God?" ... Jesus? I'm sorry. I really couldn't help myself on that.
JackDavid6405 3 months ago
@JWHurwitz But to be serious, you could say this is one of those times, if not the only one. And I'm not saying God wanted or liked it. And let's just say hypothetically you're right, sacrificing her would have been against the law. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. And you can say that's the point of the story. "Don't make unnecessary promises without thinking them through". I've seen annotated Bibles that say the same thing. So it's not like it's just an un-Christian thing interpretation.
JackDavid6405 3 months ago
@JackDavid6405 Well, if you take into account all of the other evidence, and consider some analogous scenarios, the conclusion that she wasn't sacrificed is very reasonable. The lesson you point out is a commonly taught one, I just believe now that it's not entirely correct. In either case, it's not like this story has huge import for Christians. It's a single story from a short OT book : / Moreover, it doesn't actually contain any doctrine or much in the way of a valuable lesson.
JWHurwitz 3 months ago
@JWHurwitz In the end, I just don't accept the "She became a nun" theory, and even if I was a Christian I still wouldn't. But in the end I guess we might as well agree to disagree to it, because I feel we've gone as far as we can on this. Thanks for an actual good, respectful conversation. I tried before with another guy on the same thing, but to put it nicely, he was an arrogant dickface, and probably the #1 person I wish I never had the misery of knowing existed.
JackDavid6405 3 months ago
@JackDavid6405 I think I'd have to agree, and likewise. Arrogant people suck! (I should know, I'm one of them!) It is a bit of an odd chapter, but what bears reflecting on is that it seems unusual precisely because it stands out from the rest of a book that teaches us about a loving all-good creator, who is a friend to the downtrodden and a savior to the lost. Thanks for a good discussion. May God richly bless you!
JWHurwitz 3 months ago
@JackDavid6405 Actually, being committed to ending your family line by neglecting to ever bear any children was a pretty horrible fate in ancient Israel. Progeny and land was considered a sign of God's favor and the *only* way to have any kind of immortality. Jephthah's daughter was seen to have ended any chance of lasting favor with God for herself and her family. Moreover, if she was killed, why was she lamenting her virginity? Wouldn't she have lamented... being murdered as a sacrifice? O_o
JWHurwitz 3 months ago
@JWHurwitz "Progeny and land was considered a sign of God's favor and the *only* way to have any kind of immortality."
Does that not sound even the slightest bit strange to you? That sounds more like something a pagan god would do, and not the Almighty creator of the universe who is suppose to be above all that.
"Jephthah's daughter was seen to have ended any chance of lasting favor with God for herself and her family."
By becoming a nun and devoting her life to Him?!
JackDavid6405 3 months ago
@JackDavid6405 The religion that God gave to the Isrealites was incomplete, that's why Jesus had to come to finish the work : ) They were affected by the cultures around them, and yeah, it is weird to moderns, but that's just how ancient people were. I'll admit that the second statement you quoted might have been a bit much. I just meant to emphasize how her willing sacrifice might have been seen as significant.
JWHurwitz 3 months ago
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@JWHurwitz " if she was killed, why was she lamenting her virginity? Wouldn't she have lamented... being murdered as a sacrifice? O_o"
You could say she was lamenting over the fact that she was never gonna have kids due to her being killed, and not necessarily the being killed part itself. ^_^
JackDavid6405 3 months ago
Nice, probably your best video exposing the pathetic doctrines of christianity. Genesis take 3 coming to a cinema near you. At least I hope :P
JimmyFingerz1 4 months ago
Firebird Suite? O_o
clarinetist87 4 months ago
Lol. Checked the Judges verse. The guy didn't really shit himself, his servants just thought he was shitting after he'd died and locked himself in a room. But damn that fart and death scream made this video so I can't complain.
bodhidarma1 4 months ago
those debating last week are both seriously disturbed people and both claiming to be Christian- one saying that the old testament is evil and not about the true god and the other accusing that person of being a demon. Weird.
uponhereyes 4 months ago
235 people know themselves.
TheHeidelbergKid 4 months ago
@TheHeidelbergKid 237 people are morons.
DerrenBrown100 4 months ago
...I think I'm going to be ill.
You captured some of that perhaps a little -too- well. Ugh.
SerpentStare 4 months ago 9
1. You comments are antisemitic and irrelevant.
2. Thomas Paine was anti christ
3. You are anti christ bc you side with Paine and Jesus verified the OT and Moses and was Jewish along with most of His followers.
4. You too would kill Jesus if you thought it was in ur best interest, hypocrite!
j919or 4 months ago
omg his daughter was a zombie! 8:57
buttface112211 4 months ago
"god" is love"!
joferbrasil 4 months ago
This gets my vote for the most classic Nonstampcollector video!
Tibberclaw 5 months ago 2
this is filled with SHWAG
muffinma79 5 months ago
My high school marching band did the Firebird Suite. I never would have guessed that human sacrifice would ever remind me of marching band.
FrostdPoptart 5 months ago
Good to hear Stravinsky fan.
toleodor 5 months ago
When there are disagreements between translations I like to get a view from the Jewish side. Interestingly and unusually, the Jewish encyclopedia starts to sound like Christian apologetics in relation to this story claiming it to be unhistorical and a later invention.
jacksawild 6 months ago
@jacksawild - And, some Jews appear to translate this story like Christians do. Possibly indicating that the Jews were actually moved to accept Christian interpretation and apologetics on some topics.
Then, again the Christian interpretation of of Jephthah's daughter being forced to become a nun seems to originate from Medieval times.
I guess, it only shows how much time, place, and changes in empathy and perspective can alter the "perfect word of God".
lobothesacred3 5 months ago
great video, love the truth through stick figures, keep it up, but its sad youtube's "up next" selection is crusin' with jesus, christian motorcycling..
scemostar 6 months ago
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why many hate Jesus when he has given all the freedom man kind wants? You can eat whatever you like, drink whatever you like, fuck and get fucked with ever you like. lie, steal and kill as much as you like and after that simply believe in Lord Jesus and wear a cross and you can go to heaven, what they want more???
TheFarmountain 6 months ago
Just the kind of dumbassed story I'd expect from semi-civilized, Bronze Age barbarians. That God whose sensibilities evolves with that of the people is revealed to be an invention.
LordKelvin100 6 months ago
i never thought i'd be so moved by a video made from crude cartoons
TheNobleSufferer 6 months ago 36
"Frankly, you can go and know yourself!" LOL
sparkyjunk 6 months ago in playlist NonStampCollector entire catalogue - in reverse order 3
228 people have had their daughters sacrificed.
GhostBusta234 6 months ago
Now that's a story you don't hear in Sunday School
keelie300 6 months ago 32
This video makes me sick...
I can just imagine a Christian watching it and singing "lalalala, I can't hear you!"
gugamilare 6 months ago
I look up every verse....? I'm not a Christian but I'm not that fucking dumb?... None of that was clear? Every verse was not as they said in the video. They twisted up every word in the bible and made God look like a bad guy?... Videos gay
mrchrisgammon 6 months ago
@mrchrisgammon Awww we must've twisted it up.. Sorry about that
iliveon 6 months ago
@mrchrisgammon Can't tell if trolling or just religious.
PwnzingFilms 6 months ago
All atheists are mere distorters of truth, skilled deceivers they are and no wonder for their father satan is the father of all lies into which subset fall the atheists.
j919or 6 months ago
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@j919or "All atheists are mere distorters of truth, skilled deceivers they are and no wonder for their father satan is the father of all lies into which subset fall the atheists."
When you say things like that, you do nothing but show your own desperation, and it makes you look like you might be mental. So I would suggest you stop.
JackDavid6405 6 months ago 4
Jephtach didn't even consider her for a blood sacrifice. That was idolatry and forbidden. She agreed to become dedicated to Gd like a nun, and never marry.
chodeshadar18 6 months ago
You are all twisted and warped in your thinking and satan has you and you dont even seem to care.
j919or 6 months ago
lol funny video
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
If god ever told me to sacrifice my daughter. I'd tell him to go FUCK himself. And next time don't make people with a natural desire to love family and then ask them to kill them. And don't you christians give me that 'speil' about how god had to do it. God raised him up 3 days later. did jephthah get to see his daughter 3 days later
HoBustinJopson 7 months ago
i do have to say though,, this was kinnda funny even if it was off... my favorite part is when the guy craps himself. even that was not right but funny... the book says his "dirt came out" meaning food because he was fat meaning waist in his stomach not his a hole.... but still funny..
SuperVice123 8 months ago
didnt have time, so heres a random one that caught my attention. (PSA 137:9) if any athiest or christians actualy notices, its the book that seems to look like a coster if you read the whole PSA. its talking about babylon taking over and they are the ones that took babies and killed. not god. none stamp collector, i understand where your coming from with this stuff. their are some crazzy things in this book but you cant twist. you doing that makes you no different than any religious people...
SuperVice123 8 months ago
@SuperVice123 Psalms 137 was talking about how terrible they felt during Babylonian captivity and a little about how they were treated, but the last two verses of it talks about they (the Jews) will get their revenge on the Babylonians, and the smashing babies on rocks was part of that.
JackDavid6405 7 months ago
@JackDavid6405 damn,, ill read it again,, i must have read it incorrectly,, thanks man..
SuperVice123 7 months ago
No wonder most of the time at my christian retreats was spent praying, if it was spent actually learning about the bible and many of its controversial passages, many people would be turned off and leave. Kind of like how I'm getting now.
sikesalicious 8 months ago
I don't understand how christians can find this perfectly acceptable and an act of faith, but if this were to happen today, everyone would think the person went crazy and should be locked up for the rest of his life. How come it was ok for god to allow human sacrifce then, but now people are crazy to do it?
xtremejohnny69 8 months ago
@xtremejohnny69 People will always come up with whatever excuses possible to justify something when they want to, and more importantly, when they NEED to, such as with religion. Any religion. Of course it's not only in religion. Ordinary people do the same thing over other ordinary things everyday as well (Politics is the first thing that comes to my mind). But it seems to be more prevalent in religion.
JackDavid6405 8 months ago
Yo Stamp for what it worth I was told that the story of Jephthah is a parable condemning mans arrogance and unthinking bravado in the face of God (as opposed to a story of child sacrifice permitted by the Lord).
Yeah, that explanation didnt make a hell of a lot of sense to me either....
arklowrockz 8 months ago
@NonStampCollector You should do one of Exodus 32. God tells Moses He wants the golden calf worshipers killed. Moses says no and that it's "evil", and God agrees with him, and repents of even thinking it. Then Moses sees what's going on and says "Kill them all!", to which God agrees to, saying He will bless those who take part in it. And Aaron, the one who should have known better, yet still made the calf himself, wasn't punished, and his excuse was "They made me do it. You know how they are."
JackDavid6405 8 months ago
I pride myself on biblical knowledge, but that is seriously well done.
healthmain 8 months ago
@healthmain Well you can stop priding urself in knowledge bc that was poorly done :
1. No where does it say that Jeff actually burned her
2. No where does it say that God needed or wanted the vow.
3. No where does it say that she bewailed her death but rather her virginity
4. There are several reasons that prove that Jeff couldnt have burned her.
5. But he did offer her into service of the Lord
6.The woman lamented which has the connotation that they praised and celebrated her 4x /year.
j919or 6 months ago
@j919or 1. Yes it does. His vow in verse 31 was that he would sacrifice the first thing as a burnt offering. His daughter was the first thing, and verse 39 says he did with her according to his vow. So yeah. She was burned.
2. You're right. But that doesn't help, because then why didn't God stop it like the angels were begging Him to in the video?
3. That's what NSC said she did. @ 7:50
4. No there isn't. Refer back to #1
5. Yeah, by sacrificing her, I guess.
6. They lamented her sacrifice.
JackDavid6405 6 months ago
@JackDavid6405
1. Specific language is not emplyoed. ANd it would need to be employed to overcome the readers knowledge of the impossiblity of the fulfillment of that vow.
2. Ok Im right and the video is wrong for it implies that God made a bargain with Jeff. God says in the vid"whats in it for me if i give u the Ammonites?"
4. No there isnt? Burnt sacrifices had to be male, not human, couldnt be vow offerings, had to be done by a priest.
3.
j919or 6 months ago
@j919or 1. Yes it is, and I already gave it to you. All you did was ignore it, and say I was wrong.
2. Basically.
4. Yeah, for sacrifices that God commanded Himself for other situations, but as you have already said, God didn't command this one. This one was Jephthah's side of the deal that he promised to do, so the sacrificial rules don't apply to this, because this was a completely different situation.
JackDavid6405 6 months ago
@JackDavid6405 1. The vow was for a burnt offering but no priest would allow that and Jeff knew the law that forbode it. He never would go thru with it. The text only says that he went thru with the vow it didnt say that he went thru with a burnt offering. Vows were public and anyone wouldve corrected him that a vow offering is NEVER a burnt offering. Plus a priest would correct him post victory.
2 so u admit that video lies.
j919or 6 months ago
@j919or 1. The vow IS the burnt offering. You can say human sacrifice is evil, and that Jephthah knew that, but David knew that killing and adultery were evil, but did that stop him? No. You can say a priest or someone would have changed his mind, but if he did change it, it would say so. That's why I say the idea that she became a nun is baseless.
JackDavid6405 6 months ago
@j919or I would also recommend you read Numbers 30:2 to understand why there would be a reason for him to go along with it.
"If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth."
JackDavid6405 6 months ago
4. Jeff knew that offering human sacrifice was evil would he do evil to fulfill the vow or just offer her to life long service. All contextual clues say he did.
j919or 6 months ago
@j919or 4. "Jeff knew that offering human sacrifice was evil would he do evil to fulfill the vow or just offer her to life long service. All contextual clues say he did"
31Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.
According to this, it would be the former. All contextual clues say he did.
JackDavid6405 6 months ago
Sacrificial rules do apply here . WHo besides you say they dont apply? One cant vow to do evil and then be compeled to do it. Jeff vowed to do evil in that a vow offering was NEVER a burnt offering and a burnt offering was never a human so after his daughter came thru the door, the original vow became more evil. No priest wouldve done this but rather corrected his vow to fit the law. But unbelievers dont want the truth so continue to fight me on this.
j919or 6 months ago
@j919or @JackDavid6405 The one piece of evidence you are both missing, is that "Jeff" was the son of a harlot/strange woman, therefore it was not actually "thy" (Israelite) seed passing thru the fire of Molech, when he sacrificed his daughter. See Babylonian Talmud for further explanation of Gentiles/Goyim. The Israelites sacrificed non-Israelites all of the time!! Murderous Moses comes to mind. Also, see very last word of Old Testament....."curse." Last word of New Testament Egyptian...."Amen."
Wildrhody 4 months ago
@Wildrhody "" son of a harlot/strange woman""
1. God hated the pass thru the fire practice period.
2. The Israelites did no human sacrifice for it was strongly prohibited. Jeff knew this.
3. You are a child of satan headed for hell and seeking to deceive others on ur way.
4. Woe unto you!
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or I have absolutely NO doubt about God's existence! Therefore, I am using my God-gifted common sense to know that He would never command the murders of children, or send his supposed angels to do it for me. Come on! Look around you at the miraculous universe that has been created. Are you kidding me? The Jews invaded Egypt, and if you read Gen 47, you will see how they also impoverished the Egyptians, by theft....just like they're doing today. The word Bible contains the word, LIE. Wake up
Wildrhody 4 months ago
@Wildrhody The demons dont doubt GOds existence either. I repeat that u are spawn of hell and woe unto you!
If God wills, I will debate you and destroy your "common sense" based lies. In your world babies dont die or if they do die God could not have prevented it. So your ideas of God is that he is weak and unable to stop babies from dying, abortions etc. Prepare to have your dark arguments crushed until you run away.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or I'm not sure if you read my other comment about circumcision, so I hope you respond to it. Also, I have NO idea what you were trying to say about babies and God, but in the Bible, it clearly shows how the Israelites killed babies, and blamed it on God.
"For what is greater blasphemy to ascribe the wickedness of man to the orders of the Almighty." Thomas Paine.
Think about it! They also killed Jesus, who was trying to tell the TRUTH about them!!
Wildrhody 4 months ago
1. The Jews didnt invade Egypt. But they lived there and later were enslaved.
2. Babies of the heathen grow up to be heathen. Moses was told to wipe out the Amalekites. He didnt. 400 years later they were just as evil as ever.
3. The Egyptians abused the Israelites for hundreds of years and then the Egyptians were forced by God to free them and give them provisions for their journey.
4. Yes keep making ur evil quips and i will continue to exposed u as the demon that u are.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or All I can add is that you are thoroughly brainwashed, just as I was, and you did not read Gen 47.
Read about Mohelim, and how the designated Jewish circumcisor cuts the baby's foreskin with sharp fingernails, and then sucks the blood.
jewishcircumcisionDOTorg/jnews90DOThtm
Read about how many countries the Jews have been expelled. Was it because of their godliness?
sunray22bDOTnet/expulsionsDOThtm
Going against Bible was hardest thing I've ever done.God is Truth and Love
Wildrhody 4 months ago
6. They lamented her virginity. IOW that she would never marry and never bear children and there would be no heir and the estate and the family would be lost.
j919or 6 months ago
5. Offering her into the service of the Lord would be a sacrifice but not a death/burnt sacrifice.
7. Just a heads up where there is suicide , abortion and BLASPHEMY there is satan and where ppl embrace satan there is hell. It really seems that yall are heading for hell. Just a heads up.
j919or 6 months ago
@j919or 5. I'll agree with that statement alone, but it doesn't apply here at all. I've heard the "She became a nun" idea, but that's nothing but a completely ludicrous, and baseless excuse that's used to ignore what the situation really is.
6. No, they lamented her death. Your excuse is going off the Nun theory, which I already said is 100% baseless. Yes, she was upset that she would never marry. But that's because she was about to die. Not because she was going to become a nun.
JackDavid6405 6 months ago
@JackDavid6405 5. U spouted that it was "ludicrous" but didnt say why.
6. It no where says that they lamented her DEATH. It only says they lamented her virginity. you spout assertions and dont back them with evidence/reasons. ANd no wonder bc u r in the dark. No one mourns their own death before they die. Mourning is to prepare one for the next phase of LIFE.
j919or 6 months ago
@j919or 5. I thought it was ludicrous because of how baseless it was, and because it looks like nothing but a desperate attempt to sugar coat it, and turn it into something that it's not. That's all.
JackDavid6405 6 months ago
@j919or 6. "39... And it was a custom in Israel, 40That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year." KJV
I don't see anything about them lamenting her virginity, or her death. But if you actually read the rest of it, it doesn't take much to put 2 and 2 together, and figure out that they were lamenting her death.
JackDavid6405 6 months ago
"If you've got nothing to give in return then... Frankly you can go and KNOW yourself"
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XD
AstriaICOW 8 months ago
i can't believe people don't let their kids watch certain movies, read certain books (like harry potter) or play certain video games. yet they hand their kid a bible, which is filled with pornographic material, bloody violence and a VERY violent main character. AND they actually tell their kids about how they'll burn for ever and how sheitan will get their soul if they misbehave. it hurts my brain thinking about it. i just can't fathom it.
qwyzl 8 months ago 3
WTF- I hate Christians!!!
sstan1337 8 months ago
@sstan1337 Don't worry, they'll all be gone when the rapture comes and the world will be a more tolerant, reasonable place then.
exillens 8 months ago
man the bible is twisted shit
brittis2cool4urmom 8 months ago
jephthah's daughter was not killed....it wasnt stated in the bible that she was killed
TakumaDemonReborn 8 months ago
@TakumaDemonReborn No, she was definitely killed. It says in verse 30 - 31 that he vowed to offer up the first thing that came out of his house as a burnt offering. His daughter was the first thing to come out of the house, and in verse 39 it say Jephthah "... did with her according to his vow which he had vowed". So yeah, she was killed without a doubt.
JackDavid6405 8 months ago
@TakumaDemonReborn Ha, good one. :S
BeforeTheNoose 8 months ago
@TakumaDemonReborn It wasn't stated that Jesus had a phobia of fluffy dice, or that Paul suffered from a facial tic, or that Moses stole candy when he was 6, or that Abraham didn't care much for the company of Isaac as an adult and wished yahweh didn't stop the sacrafice, or that Adam had confused feelings about that snake, brought out certain urges apparently, I think yahweh showed him that Britney video! However, I KNOW all these things to be true, you couldn't possibly understand how, sorry!
nontrainspotter 8 months ago
Yahweh was very ruthless throughout the adventures shown in the Bible... its a great wonder how folks would love and worship a deity like this who has done such horrible things to humans... though do theists really love this God they claim... or just proclaim him out of fear of dying and going to an Eternal Hell as many believe ?
tiger695 8 months ago
9:00 :'(
MoonPhase94 8 months ago
Keep up the good work NSC
BreaksFast 9 months ago 15
They were evil babies!!! LOL!!!!
rmpoole1302 9 months ago 25
OK fist of all this is amazing great story epic win!!!
Now i cannot believe that i actually use to live my life without asking any questions what so ever makes me ashamed of who i use to be.
raiderboy012 9 months ago
you are the man dude YOU ARE !! the man you just nailed it so good.
TheMatrix398 9 months ago
"go KNOW yourself" you killed me with that bro, lllMMMFFOOLL
jrev37 9 months ago 3
Im a theist from now on and Thou is my God... nonstampcollector.
jrev37 9 months ago
Yahve is my idol :D
SuperPresidentDead 9 months ago
Can't believe I used to belive in this stuff.
Kimmyloca0 10 months ago
Dude. Whoa.
derman077 10 months ago
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JediKnightZack 10 months ago
"You can go know yourself."
I am SO gonna say this to anyone who pisses me off!
ThatGuyWithHippyHair 11 months ago 3
This was an epic tale, thanks.
feedtherich 11 months ago
Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.’ 34But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
Sworbertson 11 months ago
Firebird FTW. Your choice of music is always a highlight, NonStampCollector.
FiverBeyond 11 months ago
@BrokenAeroVT I find you right in you argument. I don't know if you think this is justified, but that wasn't what you were arguing. Soooooo yeah, I agree but you do find this to be wrong right?
unlimitedchikara 11 months ago
@unlimitedchikara Cultural context is relavent here. What is often seen as right in one culture is wrong in another. Was the act justified in YHWH's eyes? I have no f*ng clue. I was never commissioned by any god to speak for him/her, and a there are a lot of fanatical people running around who have neglected this fact concerning themselves as well.
BrokenAeroVT 7 months ago
The truth hurts but thats the truth!
laikros 11 months ago
Very upsetting ... hated it ... well done.
4whatwhycool 1 year ago
the "I'm so sorry" at 8:55 actually managed to be really heartbreaking despite being a cartoon. How could anyone watch this and then imagine themselves in Jepthah's place and think "yes I would plunge the knife into my loved one's heart as they beg for mercy"?
nicks210684 1 year ago
@nicks210684 J's daughter wasn't begging for mercy. She knew of the vow and wanted it fulfilled. She only asked for two months to go to the mountains and "weep for her virginity". Then to let it be done to her as he said. She was clearly a willing sacrifice.
BrokenAeroVT 11 months ago
@BrokenAeroVT "a willing sacrifice?" Unbelievable. Try and rationalise it however you like. But just imagine your child or sibling or parent or whoever looking up at you as you hold the knife. Even if you've brainwashed them into willingly lying on the alter, they'll still be screaming as you plunge the knife in and they bleed out before you. If you honestly think that's a morally correct act then there is no helping you.
nicks210684 11 months ago
@nicks210684 Hey, don't accuse me of rationalizing. I'm just telling you what the passage says. As for you, you are clearly emotionalizing, digressing from the document in discussion. I never said it was moral or immoral. Your emotionalism is clearly leading you astray from reality.
BrokenAeroVT 11 months ago
@BrokenAeroVT Okay, you're correct; you didn't say it was moral or immoral. You certainly implied that it was somehow okay because his daughter 'agreed' to be sacrificed (of course I doubt that would stand up in court). Perhaps you don't think that. I certainly hope not. As for 'emotionalizing', I fail to see why pointing out what a traumatic experience this would be is a digression...I think it's quite relevant actually.
nicks210684 11 months ago
@nicks210684 The passage strongly indicates his daughter was willing to be sacrificed. I didn't imply anything by simply reiterating the content of the passage. Your conclusion wasn't derived from the evidence of the source text; therefore, it was merely emotional speculation, imagination--digression away from the only evidence at hand. What difference does it make if I think her sacrifice was okay or not? (not my point) Who died and made you commisioner of the morality police?
BrokenAeroVT 11 months ago
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Ghostman11577 11 months ago
@Ghostman11577 If human sacrifice is against God's law, then did YHWH violate his own law sacrificing his Son?
BrokenAeroVT 11 months ago