1 Science does not work by majorities. If there were 16000,000 architects and engineers in 911 truth they would still only be as good as the work they have published on 911.
2. 1600? There are 200 chartered in Aberdeen Society of Architects.
3. Unlike 911 Truth the Aberdeen Society of Architects don't let in software engineers.
The only person embarrassing themselves is the truther. I'm pissing myself laughing at how these fucking idiots think they are so clever. It's even funnier that you've put this up thinking it make you look smart, honestly pal i'd take a step back and think.
I was a truther.. then I decided to look for pictures of the other side 7, the zoomed out pictures of the pentagon, that shows a path of destroyed light poles. NOT free fall speed, lol, i dont even know what kook came up with that science. I have an idea.... you truthers stand one on top of the other and then have the top guy jump and land back on the pile to watch them crumple. that's retard science.
Osama denied 9/11. The person in the video is NOT Osama. The guy in the video is a dark skinned, right handed, fat guy, with a different and darker beard, who is wearing a golden ring on his finger(Islamic sin from what I've heard) and looks and acts nothing like Osama. The FBI doesn't even list him as most wanted for 9/11 because of no evidence. Last I remember was Osama having a high quality camera when CNN went to interview him and in the video that is shown to us, the quality is TERRIBLE.
What would the US defense budget be like today without 911?CIA budget?Remember Communism had fallen which is why the US had such a huge military in the 1st place.Would the US militarily control some of largest oil reserves in ME/world without 911?Would the people have gone for the wars without it?Is there any proof that OBL/Mujahadeen/Al Quaida our former allies against the Soviets actually turned against us other than the Governments word?Honestly answer these questions & you'll have the truth.
@voodoochild346 What is the Real evidence. Mountains of evidence, HARD PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, that says 19 hijackers hijacked 4 jumbo jets and crashed them into buildings. Twoofer evidence? A bunch of theories and speculation about things they twist to fit their favorite theory. NOT ONE twoofer claim is true. You can think all you want there is evidence, then why hasn't the lid been blown off this thing by any journalist, law enforment official, or anti-US govt organization? NADA, no proof.
@mikeyt34 so instead of giving facts you just basically answer my question with another question. excellent. i guess firefighters for 9/11, engineers for 9/11 truth along with people such as Jesse Ventura don't count right?
also you have to know that you are a conspiracy theorist just like me but it's always easier to spout the same"he's a dumb twoofer" bullshit instead of actually approaching things with an open mind. good job.
@voodoochild346 Great sources for info there kiddo .Jesse Ventura? You do realize there is not one active member of the FDNY that is a member of FF for 9/11 right? You have anything but an open mind if those are your sources. Don't be so gullible, there are great sources for info out there if you have questions about any twoofer claims. Take some time and go to 911.myths.com and they have broken down nearly every twoofer claim to show it's false or a lie. Do that and you have an open mind.
@mikeyt34 the majority aren't active due to the numerous health issue suffered but the wtc dust that was deemed safe even though it contained high amounts of asbestos. i knew 9/11 was a false flag when i looked at the scientific evidence. unlike yourself i don't just take other people's word for it.
@voodoochild346 False. There are numerous people afflicted with some respitory problems but remember there were 14000 active FYND firemen who spent time at the collapse. FAR from the majority are sick, sorry. You looked into what scientific evidence? There is no scientific evidence that makes even the smallest Truther claims hold up. A paper written like "Operation Northwoods" is NOT evidence, it's speculation and imagination. There is NO evidence by truthers, NONE.
@voodoochild346 I think you have been fooled by some shady people on you tube and organizatons that when you look a bit closer you realize are selling you a load of bullshit. I HAVE an open mind and looked at both sides. I came to the conclusion that the Truth Movement is full of liars. If you have an open mind like you claim you do then it shouldn't be much trouble for you to take a little time to go to 911.myths.com and see what they say too. Do yourself a favor before it's too late.
@mikeyt34 yes there is corruption everywhere but suddenly all the evidence goes out the window because a few people such as alex jones want to take advantage of others.
@voodoochild346 All you have is speculation, hearsay, and a cool theory. None of which would hold up in a court of law. Give it up, you need to look at 911myth.com and figure out for yourself where you are being lied to. Have you ever done any investigating outside of a website that promotes Conspiracy theories? Just by your attitude I can tell you haven't. It's a shame you are being mislead and lied to. I've seen your side of the argument and it's nonsense and no proof.
@mikeyt34 the story you believe is by definition a conspiracy theory. and if you are referring to infowars.com i don't go to that site. alex jones is a shill.
"There is no scientific evidence to make even the smallest truther claim hold up"
It`s pretty much the same case with the official story, yet you seem to be backing it up. You kinda miss the fact that people you call "truthers" mostly point out falsehoods within the official story and not saying "what really happened".
I couldnt give a fuck about no "truth movement", however Id like to know what REALLY happened on that day because it does seem the official story is plain BS.
How can you be a debunker when NOTHING has been debunked?None of these 'debunkers' have presented peer reviewed, scientifically experiment based counter evidence to support their assertions.So - the conclusion must be that they are just asserting things.The scientific method is the ONLY way to corroborate evidence or hypothesises so show me a 'debunker' that has used it and then show me the peer reviews or just shut the f..k up.
This young man is an idiot. He's talking about 200,000 tons crushing the floors below when it's been confirmed that the "pancaking" never happened. Watch a vid for yourself and look for the "pile driver" pushing downwards. Guess what? You won't see it because the bldgs were being "peeled" like bananas.!!
Twoofer in the video says: "NIST is a government organization, why can't we get an independent investigation."
If the govt. brought in a bunch of independent, non-government affiliated engineers and scientists to conduct the investigation, you idiots would still complain. This is a bogus insinuation and a bogus claim to imply. 2nd: what has prevented twoofs from performing a private investigation of their own? By now, with all the DVD sales and appearances, they could get steel and do one.
What has prevented people from doing an private investigation on their own?
The government, the FBI? Why do you think there has been countless FOIA cases just to get the information we already have. If they were open, and willing to share the information with the public. Then we would already have found out what really happened. However they have stonewalled any attempts to get access to this information. Thus why they have had to take it to court so many times.
@NeutralExistence No one and I mean NO ONE is preventing you idiots from getting some steel and jet fuel and office contents, and conducting a private investigation of your own. The FBI is not stopping you, the government is not stopping you, no one is. This is all the biggest cop-out imaginable. If the information obtained via a FOIA request is the same, then that is proof that there is no cover-up and sustains what we already know and it isn't stonewalling anything.
I guess you missed all the footage that was heavily edited after they won the court case. Or the fact that the FBI held onto it for over 4+ years before it was given to the public. Some materials are just finally being released now 10 years later.
911research . wtc7 . net/sept11/evidence . html
The FBI did not stop people directly, they destroyed the evidence, concealed it, and manipulated the evidence they did send out. Where is the black boxes from flight 11/175?
@NeutralExistence NOTHING has prevented your "movement" from conducting a private investigation of your own. Not the FBI or any other govt. agency has prevented any truther from getting steel, jet fuel and office contents and conducting an investigation at all. You have no excuses.
@NeutralExistence Please explain to me what has prevented truthers from obtaining steel from a mill. obtaining some jet fuel and office contents and conducting their own, private investigation? Answer: NOTHING. You're the liar here. How is a FOIA being granted and responded to, evidence of a cover-up? Answer: it ISN'T. Your posts are nothing but lame cop-outs here.
Its a freedom of information act, that means they had to take this to court just to get the evidence that should have been provided willingly to independent investigators. The Pentagon footage, the evidence from the Zacarias Moussaoui case, all was seized through FOIA. 90% of the evidence that you see floating around the internet was seized, and took years of court cases to obtain. This evidence was all manipulated as well.
@NeutralExistence Also, the fact that FOIA's have been granted and information released as a result of said FOIS's further proves that the govt. and the FBI are not covering anything up. There is no evidence of any manipulation of the evidence at all.
Obtaining steel from a mill, and some jet fuel + officer contents?
What on earth would that do?
Other then prove that you are a moron because these things would in no way prove or disprove the official story. Seriously do you smoke crack before you come on here, and post Mandrake?
@NeutralExistence What do you think those items relate to? You're by far one of the biggest morons I have talked to as of late. "...these things would in no way prove or disprove the official story..." Completely false and idiotic.
They relate to some sort of illogical fallacy of yours that I would rather not spend my time decoding.
There is no evidence of manipulation at all?
911research . wtc7 . net/sept11/evidence . html
That is only a few, almost every piece of evidence was tampered with, or destroyed.
There is also this one, how did they recovered passports from the WTC towers wreck, but the black boxes were supposedly "destroyed". Just a tad bit strange don't you think.....
@NeutralExistence Also, there is nothing strange about a piece of paper (passport) surviving the impact, fires and collapses of the buildings--at all. Office papers survived and were recovered along with everything else in the rubble pile. This argument is a common antic tried by all of you idiot's and it is the most invalid argument one could make concerning 9/11.
So a black box which is supposedly indestructible, and rarely ever get lost magically disappears on 9/11. Yet that fact is not the least bit suspicious? Clearly the black box not being found is very important, and shows that they did not want to show the flight data from the planes. Since it would have proven their "official story" wrong. Whenever something as commonly found as a black box does not show up in a situation like this there is reason to be suspicious.
@NeutralExistence Since when is a blackbox designed to tolerate a collapse of a building and months of fire and heat? Not to mention that you are purposely ignoring the black boxes found at the Pentagon and Shanksville. LOL!!! I think this is some of the funniest dialog I have encountered: You're saying that black box data recovered from the WTC, would disagree with their findings? LOL!!! The black boxes were crushed to smithereens in the collapses.
So the passports, wheel pieces etc.. All survived but two black boxes magically were destroyed. How convenient. The fact that they were found in the pentagon while pieces of the plane were more than hard to come by, and according to several witnesses there was no plane parts makes it even more unlikely that they would have been destroyed in the WTC. Months of fire? Where on earth did you get the idea that a collapsed building could possibly be on fire for months.....
This does not tell us the impact speeds, trajectory etc... Time of decent, and several other key factors that would greatly help to establish a better understanding of what happened on that day. Flight recorder data is very useful in a situation like this.
@NeutralExistence What video footage was edited and the speeds and trajectories can be determined from video footage. It has already been established what happened that day. According to cell phone calls from the planes that impacted the WTC, mention was made of erratic flying and that some of the people were getting sick as a result of the maneuvers. Again: I haven't come across anyone as dumb as you in a long time.
The pentagon footage, and 90% of the footage released by the MSM.
Here is one of many /watch?v=VyhMTOdRnRo
Unless you believe the pentagon had gas station quality camera's as their perimeter security camera's. Going to be really funny having you explain how one of the worlds most secure buildings has worse quality camera's then a gas station. Also the gas station footage next to the pentagon was seized and required a FOIA to obtain strange I thought the had nothing to hide
You cant determine the speed, or trajectory nearly as well as you can with a black box.
It obviously has not been established since according to an MSN poll 60% of "Americans" believe the official story is false. There is also little tidbits like Nano Thermitic material which crush the "official lie" to pieces.
@NeutralExistence Yes you can tell, rather accurately the trajectory of a plane from a video. Also, fraudulent polls are not proof of anything. The paint chips have already been explained. You are the biggest moron I have talked to about 9/11 in a while.
O yeah you guys try to discredit everything if it does not support your theory, I forgot.
Please explain me through the Nano-Thermitic residue, I would love to hear how you know the chemical structure of Thermitic material better then a well respected chemist. You can also rather accurately manipulate footage towards your own personal interest as has been proven many times, black boxes are not so easy to fake.
@NeutralExistence And, he didn't give a chain of custody for his samples. What's more, is that he didn't obtain a peer review for his paper, which was then published in a vanity publication, against the publishers knowledge, who then quit over the fiasco and it was discovered that Neils Harrit had a friend who was a peer reviewer there, who also had to quit in the wake of the scandal. So, you are hanging onto the long ago debunked words, of a proven pathological liar(s). LOL!!!
Its pretty obvious that when people get threatened with the loss of their jobs, the fact that they will be discredited by all the government paid scientists for not supporting the official lie, and they will most likely end up in a dumpster some where having committed "suicide" like a number of people who did not agree with the official story. This subject is avoided like the black plague by people due to the dangerous nature of investigating this topic.
@NeutralExistence There hasn't been one person who has committed suicide in a dumpster as a result of disagreeing with the OV. No one can avoid something that isn't there. Your innuendo is laughable.
@CaptMandrake360 Right and these experiments have been done ad nauseum. Please do some research! You can watch many failed attempts to melt structural steel with jet-fuel and office contents and these fires were hotter than in the TT and burned for at least 24 HOURS. Also, plenty of experiements (just here on youtube) demonstrating cutting the columns with thermite. I take it you believe we have a free-press? HAHAHAHAS! How does 1600F MAX Kersone melt structural steel with a 2800F mp? woops
@rgs11 I already have done my homework and the failure of the truth movement to accomplish any of their stated objectives, combined with the industry recognized testing of the physical evidence, is all the proof I need and the burden of proof is on truthers making laughable claims of demolition and, etc... Thanks for providing additional entertainment that only a truther can provide.
@tropophyte If the government hadn't done the investigation at all, but had some independent scientists conduct the investigation, which is actually partially true, you kooks would still complain. As it is, there 0% evidence of any alternative findings and the OV has stood the test of time.
The government was NOT going to do an investigation at all they said they knew exactly who did it, and it took the "Family Steering Commission" which is the representative group of the majority of the victims family's to get them to do an investigation. They spent more money on Bill Clinton's sex scandal investigation then they did the 9/11 investigation. That is just disgusting.
Popular mechanics (underwriters laboratory's) has quite the large amount of weapons contracts.
@CaptMandrake360 What investigation? The 9/11 commission report where one sentence went in to building 7, or NIST glaring errors where they then confessed to free fall speed? This has been proven and they continue with the myth. You people are the complainers, for some reason the right government officials haven't come to your door step and explained all this to you step by step. And don't hold your breath waiting for the USA to bring itself to your door wearing hand cuffs. 9/11 inside job.
@tropophyte Please show me where the 9/11 C/R is a technical report. The investigation into the collapse of WTC 7, was conducted by FEMA and NIST, with the final conclusions and report being presented and published by NIST. The 9/11 C/R, was an investigation that explored the vulnerabilities and breaches in security that occurred that day and leading up to it, which made it possible for Al-Qaeda to be successful. There was only freefall found for a portion of the building. It is insignificant.
@CaptMandrake360 I have no problem with you supporting the gov, many do it blindly and others in the know. It takes all kinds. I also suspect you already know 9/11 was an inside job and support the covert military action. Therefore I will not take the bait. If you are a moron, and really are clueless, then I'll provide a link to help you dismantle myths concerning the foolish NIST report. Ask someone else to spin their wheels for your humor. 9/11 WAIJ Cheers! /watch?v=qFpbZ-aLDLY
@tropophyte I accept your white flag of surrender. You haven't presented anything that challenges the official conclusions reached by the many investigations into 9/11. 9/11 "truth" = 9/11strawman.
@CaptMandrake360 Hey traitor! It's not my job to educate your dumb ass. Try and figure some of this stuff yourself and quit asking us for help, we aren't asking you to help us find the truth because most of us are pretty intelligent. You went down the list accepting surrender from all these various posters who you don't like lol. Are you feeling surrounded? Cornered in? Feeling the heat? A last ditch effort of yours? A guilty conscience for supporting the slaughter of 3000 americans?
@tropophyte If you were really intelligent, you would have presented an airtight case that completely refutes the official reports. What ifs, are not evidence and neither are all the over 100 divergeant conspiracy claims made by your "movement" LOL!!! Your white flag of surrender is accepted.
@CaptMandrake360 "If I was intelligent" I would do as you suggest, huh? Well it is 'because' I am intelligent that I don't model my beliefs after you dimwit.. You are scarred for life pal. You fell for the governments execution of your people hook line and sinker. Now that the world knows that it is YOU who swallows it all, you can't live with your embarassment and shame! So you go from post to post begging people to forgive your embarassment by asking THEM for their surrender? HA! LOL!
@tropophyte So far, all you have is invective and ad hom attacks, in lieu of any evidence to the contrary of the official findings. Emotional outbursts are not evidence and after carefully considering the alternatives, I cannot logically buy into the completely bogus hype, advanced by the "truth" movement at all. And, again, your white flag of surrender is accepted.
@tropophyte Usually if you're gonna throw out ficticious fantasies, no one logically buys into it and they usually end up laughing like I have. If you want to be taken seriously, yes, you need to pony up the dough where evidence is concerned.
@CaptMandrake360 Again, you are responsible for your own education. I didn't ask for help to sort this out and no one can do it for you. It's more of a psychological issue, than a physical one imo. I'm sure there were plenty of people like you who laughed their asses off when those FOOL nut jobs decided the earth was round, and revolved around the sun. Those IDIOTS! lol. Just because you can't calculate the math, doesn't mean the figures don't add up. Cheers.
@CaptMandrake360 I find you quite amusing. You go post to post spamming your b.s. ROTFLMAO! White flag of surrender? BWAHAHA! Whose surrendering to you. lol? WHAT do you imagine they are surrendering? Are you at war with logic? Why so angry after 10 YEARS since 9/11? For me its a black and white issue. A 1 or a 0, like a computer. I don't harbor hatred. But it is enjoyable watching you expose yourself and your embarassment and shame. NOW I ACCEPT YOUR WHITE FLAG OF SURRENDER! LOL
@tropophyte Yes, it is a black and white issue. Science refutes you kooks every time, which is why you're all still stuck talking about the early report of the collapse of WTC 7. Yes, I accept your white flag of surrender...still, having not presented a single shred of evidence for your comical "inside job" farce. LOL!!!
@CaptMandrake360 Science does not refute us kooks, they refute you kooks every time. Yes I accept your white flag of surrender since you have not presented a single shred of evidence for your comical "Islamic extremism" farce. LOL!!! At some point you must realize in your childish see-sawing with the world of people who disagree with you this.... "We can only agree to disagree." Therefore, 9/11 was an inside job! And Adieu.
ps.. Just for ur next post I ACCEPT YOUR WHITE FLAG OF SURRENDER!
@stratocaster539 Everything from the Palisades report to the NIST report and everything in between. There is no peer reviewed science in the kook movement and there is no basis for any of their debunked claims. Show me one, just one peer reviewed paper that backs up your debunked crap. There isn't any.
@CaptMandrake360 I asked first, after all you are the one with the outrageous claims.You don't have any do you?So I will consider that a victory for truth.
@stratocaster539 So far you haven't presented anything that refutes the many investigations that were conducted in the wake of the attacks. Your non-response, preceeded by your non-argument is a joke.
@CaptMandrake360 and your presentation of peer reviewed scientific papers are where?what?when?and by who?You lose.Get used to it, you people are an embarrassment to the whole affair.
@CaptMandrake360 What do FEMA,NIST,USGS all have in common?They are agencies of the US GOVERNMENT.This is nothing more than #1 suspect pleading their innocence.They always do,prisons are filled with innocent people just ask 'em.Honestly,EVERY ASPECT of the 911 'INVESTIGATION' has been controlled by the #1 suspect.You guys just keep repeating their cover story NEVER questioning it even though we can demonstrate that much of what was done 'in response' to 911 was planned BEFORE 911.
@waitew Govt, agencies, which have both in-house and external expertise. LOL!!! The official story has been published and hasn't changed a bit. I have spent a considerable amount of time, checking and examining the claims made by the conspiracy sites, which have not rendered a single, valid, claim at all. And, yes, we CAN confirm that 9/11 was planned in advance: only an idiot would not think so.
@CaptMandrake360 Also, I bet you're a "good" American who cares about his country and isn't competely blind to its manifold enemies. That being said, you really do have to be delusional to swallow the official story. I don't think you have to start calling it an inside job or whatever but you can't believe such a ridiculous conspiracy theory which contradicts physics and pretend you're not wearing your own ass for a hat.
@CaptMandrake360 I don't necessarily believe that you HAVE to jump to conspiracy to acknowledge that the building were CLEARLY demolished. I believe it's in the code that such buildings have to be rigged during construction in the case that the building ever threatened to fall over onto other buildings like on 911.
I think the official story had to be modified from the truth for national security reasons.
exactly what's your rationale for the media announcing the fall of wt7 20 MINUTES EARLY?
@rgs11 What does the announcement of the collapse have to do with anything? It doesn't mention anything about "pull it" nor does it make any reference to the fact that the fire dept. was pulled out. Try again. Thanks. These non-arguments are hysterical.
@CaptMandrake360 I have no problem with you supporting the gov, many do it blindly and others in the know. It takes all kinds. I also suspect you already know 9/11 was an inside job and support the covert military action. Therefore I will not take the bait. If you are a moron, and really are clueless, then I'll provide a link to help you dismantle myths concerning the foolish NIST report. Ask someone else to spin their wheels for your humor. 9/11 WAIJ Cheers! /watch?v=qFpbZ-aLDLY
@CaptMandrake360 I have no problem with you supporting the gov, many do it blindly and others in the know. It takes all kinds. I also suspect you already know 9/11 was an inside job and support the covert military action. Therefore I will not take the bait. If you are a moron, and really are clueless, then I'll provide a link to help you dismantle myths concerning the foolish NIST report. Ask someone else to spin their wheels for your humor. 9/11 WAIJ Cheers! /watch?v=qFpbZ-aLDLY
@tropo Freefall is not exclusive to anything, alternative to the findings of NIST and there has been no evidence presented to refute the findings of NIST. It has been 10 years and the so-called "truth" movement has only managed to die out and become extinct. It is a museum of conspiracy theories, only on display on the internet and mainly on YouTube. I don't complain about anything, because I am too busy laughing at the stupidity that you people toss out every day. 9/11 was an outside job!
@CaptMandrake360 I have no problem with you supporting the gov, many do it blindly and others in the know. It takes all kinds. I also suspect you already know 9/11 was an inside job and support the covert military action. Therefore I will not take the bait. If you are a moron, and really are clueless, then I'll provide a link to help you dismantle myths concerning the foolish NIST report. Ask someone else to spin their wheels for your humor. 9/11 WAIJ Cheers! /watch?v=qFpbZ-aLDLY
Then, they do the standard, rubber stamp come back, about the govt. not loving the people, when no one expects the govt. to. They ignore the differing architecture between other buildings and the Twin Towers AND bldg. 7. At present, A&E911truth has 1,400 students and graduates, as opposed to 400 at the time of this taping. The only one who can be verified Richard Gage.
1st thing the idiot truthers does, is claim that OBL was a CIA asset. This of course is not true. Not to mention that many truthers claim the CIA orchestrated the attacks, which implies Bin Laden as being involved. dsglop is right here about Pakistan being a nuke country. Then they go to WTC 7, and get it wrong there too and then try and compare it to other buildings nearby where they were taping this at. LOL!!! Total failure and complete lack of an argument.
This is disgusting, I hope your happy with your selves. I won't be drawn into a 9/11 debate, its been proven time and time again by structal engineers and material scientists in numerous papers. Internet hearsay and cherry picking of evidence and anti scientist and government ideals that get dragged into this 9/11 debate belong there just as much as sarah palin does in the whitehouse
The guy is clearly just an ignorant prick, they have suceeded people you may aswell give up. The public are too stupid to think and when they do investigate they always favour the official sources rather than the people who provide facts. These are the same idiots that would still deny the Gulf of Tonkin incident and that operation Northwoods is just conspiracy theory.
This guy is unfortunetly the majority of the populous and proof that the average person is a total Moron! If Bin lauden was in court, a good lawyer would definitely prove reasonable doubt. And if he didn't do it , then Who? I guarantee we will never know the truth.
Ahhhhahah. Mark Roberts is the biggest shill in the business. He's a total con artist. Have a good laugh listening to Mark Roberts. If this guy is looking up to Mark Roberts I feel more sorry for him than ever.
@tropophyte Has anyone here read the NIST report I got the DVD and start just flipping through all 10000 pages and almost none of it is NIST's own writing its just every blueprint and technical journal ever published on the WTC! They just made it so big that no one would ever want to read it. ITS ALL FILLER!
I feel sorry for these guys who can't accept that 9/11 was an inside job. It is so hard for them to face the ugly fact that the government has such inadequate assholes in it. I hope he comes to a peaceful understanding of the truth. 9/11 was an inside job.
@tropophyte well I feel sorry for the people that buy into this whole thing.."oh uhh ww2 was a setup so bankers can make some interest!" LMAO! "everything is the past was set up by some bankers...bankers bankers bankers!" you guys have the same theories that has been shit on since like 1998...ive been hearing the same shit for so many years and not one has come true..no one world govnt, no food poison fraud nothing...you will see later that nothing happens..no nwo
@burgersforreal You are an idiot. You really are an idiot. What is the point of your post, that there is no corruption in the banking industry? Do you even know WHY every empire in the world has inevitably collapsed? And why the USA is destined to collapse likewise? Bankers. It is cyclical. They are built to collapse. You don't have to hate people for speaking out against a nearly three quarters of a quadrillion dollar derivatives bubble. Go back to school.
@911reset oh wow its the all known "truther" 911reset..another person big into the conspiracy theory...and no, none of them agreed with them....so tell me...wheres that NWO?? i have been hearing about this for years and years now..where is it? i remember it was suppose to come september 2008, than december 2009 and also sept 2010...well that passed...now its december 2011..and when it dosnt happen the..december 21st 2012 so on and so on...have fun dreaming
all of you that do not believe this was an inside job are unconscious frightened individuals. wake up and realize that government is not around to protect you, they dont care about you, they care about money, and thats it. please wake up and realize that the system is using you... once you do wake up please come a join the revolution, because its already begun, and you don't wanna be left behind while we all move forward. waaaaaaaaake up!!
@njjroberts Nijroberts doesn't even know what I look or sound like, so claiming this is me is an obvious lie. And now because he posted an obvious lie, one must wonder what else he has lied about?
Hey dumb fuck, it's embarrasses, not embaresses. Learn how to spell, I'm sure you're just another teenager who believes in these dumb conspiracies. Maybe once you grow up you'll actually see the reality of things, so until then, stop embarrassing yourself
soooooo........Iraq was a lie, he states. How dare you say our government would kill 3000 innocent americans debunkers ask? Well, how many innocent soldiers in Iraq have died now? How many civilians?
This asshole comes out and says he wants to discuss the matter...? When he's the only that's talking and will not listen to what the other people have to say? It almost reminds of a child trying to argue, by repeating the same shit over and over again and talking over people's voices. He's learnt well from his Government.
what bullshit. nobody believes 9/11 was does by "terrorists". These debunkers cock suckers are government agents, retards, or attention starved faggots. No other reason to cover the truth.
Their the retards? You're claiming people who believe that terrorists were the ones who attacked innocent civilians are government agents? You're the one who sounds like the retard, by the way, saying something "was does" is not grammatically correct. If anything the guys who made loose change are the ones who want the fucking attention, after all they are the ones who mainly started this whole conspiracy theory.....So shut the fuck up, you sound like a complete dumb ass
Debunkers often claim we can't answer certain questions. They're right. That's why we want an investigation. I've only 1 question and no debunker has ever been able to answer it. Explain to me how it is WTC 7 collapsed at freefall, into the path of greatest resistence, into dust due to office fires? There were 28 interior columns that needed to be removed within 1/10 of a second of each other for freefall speed to be possible. FYI guy in video, the NIST confirms WTC 7 did freefall.
@rkymtntruther THATS TRUE vote his statement up!!!! i wanna hear that explanation!!!! point in fact 3 steel framed buildings falled at or VERY near free fall speeds. but never again or before in history.
hahahah dsglop aka "dickslop" is nothing more than a intellectual midget who has been crushed many times by many truthers. he is a turd in the punchbowl and suffers from small dick syndrome...nice hat asshole.
@avoozl07 - 80+ thousand Architects reject Richard Gage's stance? Of that 80k, how many have willingly considered his presentation? If all of them had, what per centage would agree do you think?
@rkymtntruther wow, are you so shallow that I actually have to give you a website that list all the different architects that disagree with the official bullshit story of 9/11? get your fat lazy ass from playing world of warcraft and try using a search engine moron.
LOL this is hilarious, i can understand how people really dont want to believe their government would do something like this, but there is so much overwhelming factors that the government have spouted that do not make sense, and when something doesnt make sense, its because it usually isnt true ;)
Dan Stevens (dsglop)=Extremely low self esteem, stalker, resorts to ad-hominem attacks, blocks you if you have proven factual evidence, comments allowed pending approval, won't allow video showing him getting punk'd, is now resorting to "debunk" Peter Schiff, lives off of Government support, no life pussy who could use a few weeks in the gym. That about sums it up.
this punk looks like a cop or a fire fighter, and he does not wants to believe the truth about big and powerfull governments keeping secrets and planning something to change the world to their advantage
Over 1600 architects and engineers in 911 Truth?
3 points:
1 Science does not work by majorities. If there were 16000,000 architects and engineers in 911 truth they would still only be as good as the work they have published on 911.
2. 1600? There are 200 chartered in Aberdeen Society of Architects.
3. Unlike 911 Truth the Aberdeen Society of Architects don't let in software engineers.
ma049 1 week ago
DSGLOP called it right about Bin Laden being in Pakistan. He always makes these truther cultists look so stupid
bahdahdoop 2 weeks ago
The only person embarrassing themselves is the truther. I'm pissing myself laughing at how these fucking idiots think they are so clever. It's even funnier that you've put this up thinking it make you look smart, honestly pal i'd take a step back and think.
IThinkImAloneNow 1 month ago in playlist Debunker Vs. Truthers 2
wtc 7 fell cuz there was heavy damage from the debris? hahahhaahha
arjunj1988 2 months ago
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There's actually over 1600 architects and engineers for 911 truth now =)
UnshackledMind86 2 months ago
This is why we are controlled by Zionists....
megamogx 2 months ago
I was a truther.. then I decided to look for pictures of the other side 7, the zoomed out pictures of the pentagon, that shows a path of destroyed light poles. NOT free fall speed, lol, i dont even know what kook came up with that science. I have an idea.... you truthers stand one on top of the other and then have the top guy jump and land back on the pile to watch them crumple. that's retard science.
TheSeasonalfruit 4 months ago
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Osama denied 9/11. The person in the video is NOT Osama. The guy in the video is a dark skinned, right handed, fat guy, with a different and darker beard, who is wearing a golden ring on his finger(Islamic sin from what I've heard) and looks and acts nothing like Osama. The FBI doesn't even list him as most wanted for 9/11 because of no evidence. Last I remember was Osama having a high quality camera when CNN went to interview him and in the video that is shown to us, the quality is TERRIBLE.
TheComputerEngineer 4 months ago
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TheComputerEngineer 4 months ago
Useful idiot.
o0soda0o 4 months ago
the man on CAMERA is right on.. thats whos side im on
rastawilson311 4 months ago
wow
WideAsleep22 5 months ago
dan stevens is a clown show
TheEots 5 months ago in playlist dsglop
Its kinda embarrasing how childish both sides are acting, but especially the debunker
zly81 7 months ago
@zly81 Actually the debunker is right, all of these truthers are morons.
theBartone9119 6 months ago
@theBartone9119
And what brought you to this conclusion?
zly81 6 months ago
What would the US defense budget be like today without 911?CIA budget?Remember Communism had fallen which is why the US had such a huge military in the 1st place.Would the US militarily control some of largest oil reserves in ME/world without 911?Would the people have gone for the wars without it?Is there any proof that OBL/Mujahadeen/Al Quaida our former allies against the Soviets actually turned against us other than the Governments word?Honestly answer these questions & you'll have the truth.
waitew 7 months ago
dan stevens is a total coward
TheEots 8 months ago
The funniest part of this video is the title. Twoofers are so dellusional.
mikeyt34 8 months ago
Twoofers are morons. You get absolutly nothing right. Look at some other websites besides the typical twoofer crap and see some real evidence.
mikeyt34 8 months ago
@mikeyt34 like what? what's the REAL evidence.
voodoochild346 7 months ago in playlist 9/11 "debunker" embarassess himself
@voodoochild346 What is the Real evidence. Mountains of evidence, HARD PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, that says 19 hijackers hijacked 4 jumbo jets and crashed them into buildings. Twoofer evidence? A bunch of theories and speculation about things they twist to fit their favorite theory. NOT ONE twoofer claim is true. You can think all you want there is evidence, then why hasn't the lid been blown off this thing by any journalist, law enforment official, or anti-US govt organization? NADA, no proof.
mikeyt34 7 months ago
@mikeyt34 so instead of giving facts you just basically answer my question with another question. excellent. i guess firefighters for 9/11, engineers for 9/11 truth along with people such as Jesse Ventura don't count right?
also you have to know that you are a conspiracy theorist just like me but it's always easier to spout the same"he's a dumb twoofer" bullshit instead of actually approaching things with an open mind. good job.
voodoochild346 7 months ago
@voodoochild346 Great sources for info there kiddo .Jesse Ventura? You do realize there is not one active member of the FDNY that is a member of FF for 9/11 right? You have anything but an open mind if those are your sources. Don't be so gullible, there are great sources for info out there if you have questions about any twoofer claims. Take some time and go to 911.myths.com and they have broken down nearly every twoofer claim to show it's false or a lie. Do that and you have an open mind.
mikeyt34 7 months ago
@mikeyt34 the majority aren't active due to the numerous health issue suffered but the wtc dust that was deemed safe even though it contained high amounts of asbestos. i knew 9/11 was a false flag when i looked at the scientific evidence. unlike yourself i don't just take other people's word for it.
voodoochild346 7 months ago
@voodoochild346 False. There are numerous people afflicted with some respitory problems but remember there were 14000 active FYND firemen who spent time at the collapse. FAR from the majority are sick, sorry. You looked into what scientific evidence? There is no scientific evidence that makes even the smallest Truther claims hold up. A paper written like "Operation Northwoods" is NOT evidence, it's speculation and imagination. There is NO evidence by truthers, NONE.
mikeyt34 7 months ago
@voodoochild346 I think you have been fooled by some shady people on you tube and organizatons that when you look a bit closer you realize are selling you a load of bullshit. I HAVE an open mind and looked at both sides. I came to the conclusion that the Truth Movement is full of liars. If you have an open mind like you claim you do then it shouldn't be much trouble for you to take a little time to go to 911.myths.com and see what they say too. Do yourself a favor before it's too late.
mikeyt34 7 months ago
@mikeyt34 yes there is corruption everywhere but suddenly all the evidence goes out the window because a few people such as alex jones want to take advantage of others.
voodoochild346 7 months ago
@voodoochild346 All you have is speculation, hearsay, and a cool theory. None of which would hold up in a court of law. Give it up, you need to look at 911myth.com and figure out for yourself where you are being lied to. Have you ever done any investigating outside of a website that promotes Conspiracy theories? Just by your attitude I can tell you haven't. It's a shame you are being mislead and lied to. I've seen your side of the argument and it's nonsense and no proof.
mikeyt34 7 months ago
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@mikeyt34 the story you believe is by definition a conspiracy theory. and if you are referring to infowars.com i don't go to that site. alex jones is a shill.
voodoochild346 7 months ago
@mikeyt34
"There is no scientific evidence to make even the smallest truther claim hold up"
It`s pretty much the same case with the official story, yet you seem to be backing it up. You kinda miss the fact that people you call "truthers" mostly point out falsehoods within the official story and not saying "what really happened".
I couldnt give a fuck about no "truth movement", however Id like to know what REALLY happened on that day because it does seem the official story is plain BS.
zly81 6 months ago
WOW the guy being filmed is gonna feel really stupid someday. Until then he just looks stupid and sounds stupid.
mxdave91 8 months ago
What a grade A plonker.How on earth do they hope to be taken seriously if this is typical behaviour?
stratocaster539 9 months ago
How can you be a debunker when NOTHING has been debunked?None of these 'debunkers' have presented peer reviewed, scientifically experiment based counter evidence to support their assertions.So - the conclusion must be that they are just asserting things.The scientific method is the ONLY way to corroborate evidence or hypothesises so show me a 'debunker' that has used it and then show me the peer reviews or just shut the f..k up.
stratocaster539 9 months ago
This young man is an idiot. He's talking about 200,000 tons crushing the floors below when it's been confirmed that the "pancaking" never happened. Watch a vid for yourself and look for the "pile driver" pushing downwards. Guess what? You won't see it because the bldgs were being "peeled" like bananas.!!
katyu16 10 months ago
Twoofer in the video says: "NIST is a government organization, why can't we get an independent investigation."
If the govt. brought in a bunch of independent, non-government affiliated engineers and scientists to conduct the investigation, you idiots would still complain. This is a bogus insinuation and a bogus claim to imply. 2nd: what has prevented twoofs from performing a private investigation of their own? By now, with all the DVD sales and appearances, they could get steel and do one.
CaptMandrake360 11 months ago
@CaptMandrake360
What has prevented people from doing an private investigation on their own?
The government, the FBI? Why do you think there has been countless FOIA cases just to get the information we already have. If they were open, and willing to share the information with the public. Then we would already have found out what really happened. However they have stonewalled any attempts to get access to this information. Thus why they have had to take it to court so many times.
NeutralExistence 10 months ago
@NeutralExistence No one and I mean NO ONE is preventing you idiots from getting some steel and jet fuel and office contents, and conducting a private investigation of your own. The FBI is not stopping you, the government is not stopping you, no one is. This is all the biggest cop-out imaginable. If the information obtained via a FOIA request is the same, then that is proof that there is no cover-up and sustains what we already know and it isn't stonewalling anything.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360
I guess you missed all the footage that was heavily edited after they won the court case. Or the fact that the FBI held onto it for over 4+ years before it was given to the public. Some materials are just finally being released now 10 years later.
911research . wtc7 . net/sept11/evidence . html
The FBI did not stop people directly, they destroyed the evidence, concealed it, and manipulated the evidence they did send out. Where is the black boxes from flight 11/175?
NeutralExistence 10 months ago
@NeutralExistence NOTHING has prevented your "movement" from conducting a private investigation of your own. Not the FBI or any other govt. agency has prevented any truther from getting steel, jet fuel and office contents and conducting an investigation at all. You have no excuses.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360
That is a blatant lie.
Please explain to me why there was countless FOIA to get the evidence?
NeutralExistence 10 months ago
@NeutralExistence Please explain to me what has prevented truthers from obtaining steel from a mill. obtaining some jet fuel and office contents and conducting their own, private investigation? Answer: NOTHING. You're the liar here. How is a FOIA being granted and responded to, evidence of a cover-up? Answer: it ISN'T. Your posts are nothing but lame cop-outs here.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360
You must not understand what a FOIA is.
Its a freedom of information act, that means they had to take this to court just to get the evidence that should have been provided willingly to independent investigators. The Pentagon footage, the evidence from the Zacarias Moussaoui case, all was seized through FOIA. 90% of the evidence that you see floating around the internet was seized, and took years of court cases to obtain. This evidence was all manipulated as well.
NeutralExistence 10 months ago
@NeutralExistence Also, the fact that FOIA's have been granted and information released as a result of said FOIS's further proves that the govt. and the FBI are not covering anything up. There is no evidence of any manipulation of the evidence at all.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360
Obtaining steel from a mill, and some jet fuel + officer contents?
What on earth would that do?
Other then prove that you are a moron because these things would in no way prove or disprove the official story. Seriously do you smoke crack before you come on here, and post Mandrake?
NeutralExistence 10 months ago
@NeutralExistence What do you think those items relate to? You're by far one of the biggest morons I have talked to as of late. "...these things would in no way prove or disprove the official story..." Completely false and idiotic.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360
They relate to some sort of illogical fallacy of yours that I would rather not spend my time decoding.
There is no evidence of manipulation at all?
911research . wtc7 . net/sept11/evidence . html
That is only a few, almost every piece of evidence was tampered with, or destroyed.
There is also this one, how did they recovered passports from the WTC towers wreck, but the black boxes were supposedly "destroyed". Just a tad bit strange don't you think.....
NeutralExistence 10 months ago
@NeutralExistence "They relate to some sort of illogical fallacy of yours that I would rather not spend any time decoding."
I accept your surrender.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@NeutralExistence Also, there is nothing strange about a piece of paper (passport) surviving the impact, fires and collapses of the buildings--at all. Office papers survived and were recovered along with everything else in the rubble pile. This argument is a common antic tried by all of you idiot's and it is the most invalid argument one could make concerning 9/11.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360
So a black box which is supposedly indestructible, and rarely ever get lost magically disappears on 9/11. Yet that fact is not the least bit suspicious? Clearly the black box not being found is very important, and shows that they did not want to show the flight data from the planes. Since it would have proven their "official story" wrong. Whenever something as commonly found as a black box does not show up in a situation like this there is reason to be suspicious.
NeutralExistence 10 months ago
@NeutralExistence Since when is a blackbox designed to tolerate a collapse of a building and months of fire and heat? Not to mention that you are purposely ignoring the black boxes found at the Pentagon and Shanksville. LOL!!! I think this is some of the funniest dialog I have encountered: You're saying that black box data recovered from the WTC, would disagree with their findings? LOL!!! The black boxes were crushed to smithereens in the collapses.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360
So the passports, wheel pieces etc.. All survived but two black boxes magically were destroyed. How convenient. The fact that they were found in the pentagon while pieces of the plane were more than hard to come by, and according to several witnesses there was no plane parts makes it even more unlikely that they would have been destroyed in the WTC. Months of fire? Where on earth did you get the idea that a collapsed building could possibly be on fire for months.....
NeutralExistence 10 months ago
@NeutralExistence The video footage of the planes flying into the buildings, is plenty.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360
Video footage cant be edited?
This does not tell us the impact speeds, trajectory etc... Time of decent, and several other key factors that would greatly help to establish a better understanding of what happened on that day. Flight recorder data is very useful in a situation like this.
NeutralExistence 10 months ago
@NeutralExistence What video footage was edited and the speeds and trajectories can be determined from video footage. It has already been established what happened that day. According to cell phone calls from the planes that impacted the WTC, mention was made of erratic flying and that some of the people were getting sick as a result of the maneuvers. Again: I haven't come across anyone as dumb as you in a long time.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360
The pentagon footage, and 90% of the footage released by the MSM.
Here is one of many /watch?v=VyhMTOdRnRo
Unless you believe the pentagon had gas station quality camera's as their perimeter security camera's. Going to be really funny having you explain how one of the worlds most secure buildings has worse quality camera's then a gas station. Also the gas station footage next to the pentagon was seized and required a FOIA to obtain strange I thought the had nothing to hide
NeutralExistence 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360
You cant determine the speed, or trajectory nearly as well as you can with a black box.
It obviously has not been established since according to an MSN poll 60% of "Americans" believe the official story is false. There is also little tidbits like Nano Thermitic material which crush the "official lie" to pieces.
NeutralExistence 10 months ago
@NeutralExistence Yes you can tell, rather accurately the trajectory of a plane from a video. Also, fraudulent polls are not proof of anything. The paint chips have already been explained. You are the biggest moron I have talked to about 9/11 in a while.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360
Fraudulent polls? Since when was MSN fraudulent?
O yeah you guys try to discredit everything if it does not support your theory, I forgot.
Please explain me through the Nano-Thermitic residue, I would love to hear how you know the chemical structure of Thermitic material better then a well respected chemist. You can also rather accurately manipulate footage towards your own personal interest as has been proven many times, black boxes are not so easy to fake.
NeutralExistence 10 months ago
@NeutralExistence And, he didn't give a chain of custody for his samples. What's more, is that he didn't obtain a peer review for his paper, which was then published in a vanity publication, against the publishers knowledge, who then quit over the fiasco and it was discovered that Neils Harrit had a friend who was a peer reviewer there, who also had to quit in the wake of the scandal. So, you are hanging onto the long ago debunked words, of a proven pathological liar(s). LOL!!!
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360
Its pretty obvious that when people get threatened with the loss of their jobs, the fact that they will be discredited by all the government paid scientists for not supporting the official lie, and they will most likely end up in a dumpster some where having committed "suicide" like a number of people who did not agree with the official story. This subject is avoided like the black plague by people due to the dangerous nature of investigating this topic.
NeutralExistence 10 months ago
@NeutralExistence There hasn't been one person who has committed suicide in a dumpster as a result of disagreeing with the OV. No one can avoid something that isn't there. Your innuendo is laughable.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360
So many lies Mandrake, do you ever get sick of your own blatant disregard for the truth?
/watch?v=bvay28lZiHU
NeutralExistence 10 months ago
@NeutralExistence ",,,do you ever get sick of your own blatant disregard for the truth?"
A perfect description of yourself there.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360
Thanks for dodging the facts again.
NeutralExistence 10 months ago
@NeutralExistence It would be easy to dodge facts if you had actually posted any.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360
/watch?v=bvay28lZiHU
People who have committed "suicide" that contradicted the official story.
NeutralExistence 10 months ago
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@NeutralExistence Some things everyone needs to know to sort this out:
We Have the Results and Only We Have the Results (15 minutes)
watch?v=iQdJuQLNFCk
Can we really think honestly about science without paying attention to the logic we are using?
iBlindGame 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 Right and these experiments have been done ad nauseum. Please do some research! You can watch many failed attempts to melt structural steel with jet-fuel and office contents and these fires were hotter than in the TT and burned for at least 24 HOURS. Also, plenty of experiements (just here on youtube) demonstrating cutting the columns with thermite. I take it you believe we have a free-press? HAHAHAHAS! How does 1600F MAX Kersone melt structural steel with a 2800F mp? woops
rgs11 9 months ago
@rgs11 I already have done my homework and the failure of the truth movement to accomplish any of their stated objectives, combined with the industry recognized testing of the physical evidence, is all the proof I need and the burden of proof is on truthers making laughable claims of demolition and, etc... Thanks for providing additional entertainment that only a truther can provide.
CaptMandrake360 9 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 And yet the melting point of structural steel remains the same. Reality can be a pain in the ass, eh? Argue out of that one Houdini.
rgs11 9 months ago
@rgs11 And yet there was no molten steel, which makes your comment completely irrelevant. LOL!!!
CaptMandrake360 9 months ago
@NeutralExistence Each court case has failed due to lack of evidence and massive fraud committed on the part of what is left of the truth movement.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 Well if the government brought them in.... how independent could they be? 9/11 was an inside job.
tropophyte 10 months ago
@tropophyte If they're independent and the government wasn't using any in-house personell, you idiot's would still complain.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 What would we complain about? 9/11 was an inside job.
tropophyte 10 months ago
@tropophyte If the government hadn't done the investigation at all, but had some independent scientists conduct the investigation, which is actually partially true, you kooks would still complain. As it is, there 0% evidence of any alternative findings and the OV has stood the test of time.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360
The government was NOT going to do an investigation at all they said they knew exactly who did it, and it took the "Family Steering Commission" which is the representative group of the majority of the victims family's to get them to do an investigation. They spent more money on Bill Clinton's sex scandal investigation then they did the 9/11 investigation. That is just disgusting.
Popular mechanics (underwriters laboratory's) has quite the large amount of weapons contracts.
NeutralExistence 10 months ago
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@CaptMandrake360 Some things everyone needs to know to sort this out:
We Have the Results and Only We Have the Results (15 minutes)
watch?v=iQdJuQLNFCk
Can we really think honestly about science without paying attention to the logic we are using?
iBlindGame 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 What investigation? The 9/11 commission report where one sentence went in to building 7, or NIST glaring errors where they then confessed to free fall speed? This has been proven and they continue with the myth. You people are the complainers, for some reason the right government officials haven't come to your door step and explained all this to you step by step. And don't hold your breath waiting for the USA to bring itself to your door wearing hand cuffs. 9/11 inside job.
tropophyte 10 months ago
@tropophyte Please show me where the 9/11 C/R is a technical report. The investigation into the collapse of WTC 7, was conducted by FEMA and NIST, with the final conclusions and report being presented and published by NIST. The 9/11 C/R, was an investigation that explored the vulnerabilities and breaches in security that occurred that day and leading up to it, which made it possible for Al-Qaeda to be successful. There was only freefall found for a portion of the building. It is insignificant.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 I have no problem with you supporting the gov, many do it blindly and others in the know. It takes all kinds. I also suspect you already know 9/11 was an inside job and support the covert military action. Therefore I will not take the bait. If you are a moron, and really are clueless, then I'll provide a link to help you dismantle myths concerning the foolish NIST report. Ask someone else to spin their wheels for your humor. 9/11 WAIJ Cheers! /watch?v=qFpbZ-aLDLY
tropophyte 10 months ago
@tropophyte I accept your white flag of surrender. You haven't presented anything that challenges the official conclusions reached by the many investigations into 9/11. 9/11 "truth" = 9/11strawman.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 Hey traitor! It's not my job to educate your dumb ass. Try and figure some of this stuff yourself and quit asking us for help, we aren't asking you to help us find the truth because most of us are pretty intelligent. You went down the list accepting surrender from all these various posters who you don't like lol. Are you feeling surrounded? Cornered in? Feeling the heat? A last ditch effort of yours? A guilty conscience for supporting the slaughter of 3000 americans?
tropophyte 10 months ago
@tropophyte If you were really intelligent, you would have presented an airtight case that completely refutes the official reports. What ifs, are not evidence and neither are all the over 100 divergeant conspiracy claims made by your "movement" LOL!!! Your white flag of surrender is accepted.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 "If I was intelligent" I would do as you suggest, huh? Well it is 'because' I am intelligent that I don't model my beliefs after you dimwit.. You are scarred for life pal. You fell for the governments execution of your people hook line and sinker. Now that the world knows that it is YOU who swallows it all, you can't live with your embarassment and shame! So you go from post to post begging people to forgive your embarassment by asking THEM for their surrender? HA! LOL!
tropophyte 10 months ago
@tropophyte So far, all you have is invective and ad hom attacks, in lieu of any evidence to the contrary of the official findings. Emotional outbursts are not evidence and after carefully considering the alternatives, I cannot logically buy into the completely bogus hype, advanced by the "truth" movement at all. And, again, your white flag of surrender is accepted.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 You mean I have to present evidence to you? Why? Aren't you the confused one. Do some of your own homework.
tropophyte 10 months ago
@tropophyte Usually if you're gonna throw out ficticious fantasies, no one logically buys into it and they usually end up laughing like I have. If you want to be taken seriously, yes, you need to pony up the dough where evidence is concerned.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 Again, you are responsible for your own education. I didn't ask for help to sort this out and no one can do it for you. It's more of a psychological issue, than a physical one imo. I'm sure there were plenty of people like you who laughed their asses off when those FOOL nut jobs decided the earth was round, and revolved around the sun. Those IDIOTS! lol. Just because you can't calculate the math, doesn't mean the figures don't add up. Cheers.
tropophyte 10 months ago
@tropophyte You're right and educating yourself is the one thing you forgot to do. I accept your white flag of surrender...again. LOL!!!
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 I find you quite amusing. You go post to post spamming your b.s. ROTFLMAO! White flag of surrender? BWAHAHA! Whose surrendering to you. lol? WHAT do you imagine they are surrendering? Are you at war with logic? Why so angry after 10 YEARS since 9/11? For me its a black and white issue. A 1 or a 0, like a computer. I don't harbor hatred. But it is enjoyable watching you expose yourself and your embarassment and shame. NOW I ACCEPT YOUR WHITE FLAG OF SURRENDER! LOL
tropophyte 10 months ago
@tropophyte Yes, it is a black and white issue. Science refutes you kooks every time, which is why you're all still stuck talking about the early report of the collapse of WTC 7. Yes, I accept your white flag of surrender...still, having not presented a single shred of evidence for your comical "inside job" farce. LOL!!!
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 Science does not refute us kooks, they refute you kooks every time. Yes I accept your white flag of surrender since you have not presented a single shred of evidence for your comical "Islamic extremism" farce. LOL!!! At some point you must realize in your childish see-sawing with the world of people who disagree with you this.... "We can only agree to disagree." Therefore, 9/11 was an inside job! And Adieu.
ps.. Just for ur next post I ACCEPT YOUR WHITE FLAG OF SURRENDER!
tropophyte 10 months ago
@tropophyte Science refutes you kooks every time. Your white flag of surrender is accepted.
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 show just one,just one,scientifically peer reviewed paper that backs your statement up. Just one.
stratocaster539 9 months ago
@stratocaster539 Everything from the Palisades report to the NIST report and everything in between. There is no peer reviewed science in the kook movement and there is no basis for any of their debunked claims. Show me one, just one peer reviewed paper that backs up your debunked crap. There isn't any.
CaptMandrake360 9 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 I asked first, after all you are the one with the outrageous claims.You don't have any do you?So I will consider that a victory for truth.
stratocaster539 9 months ago
@stratocaster539 So far you haven't presented anything that refutes the many investigations that were conducted in the wake of the attacks. Your non-response, preceeded by your non-argument is a joke.
CaptMandrake360 9 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 and your presentation of peer reviewed scientific papers are where?what?when?and by who?You lose.Get used to it, you people are an embarrassment to the whole affair.
stratocaster539 9 months ago
@stratocaster539 FEMA, NIST, Palisades, USGS, the list goes on, while you haven't presented anything that refutes their conclusions.
CaptMandrake360 9 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 What do FEMA,NIST,USGS all have in common?They are agencies of the US GOVERNMENT.This is nothing more than #1 suspect pleading their innocence.They always do,prisons are filled with innocent people just ask 'em.Honestly,EVERY ASPECT of the 911 'INVESTIGATION' has been controlled by the #1 suspect.You guys just keep repeating their cover story NEVER questioning it even though we can demonstrate that much of what was done 'in response' to 911 was planned BEFORE 911.
waitew 7 months ago
@waitew Govt, agencies, which have both in-house and external expertise. LOL!!! The official story has been published and hasn't changed a bit. I have spent a considerable amount of time, checking and examining the claims made by the conspiracy sites, which have not rendered a single, valid, claim at all. And, yes, we CAN confirm that 9/11 was planned in advance: only an idiot would not think so.
CaptMandrake360 7 months ago
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@waitew i agree let's not forget about a project for a new american century.
voodoochild346 7 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 Also, I bet you're a "good" American who cares about his country and isn't competely blind to its manifold enemies. That being said, you really do have to be delusional to swallow the official story. I don't think you have to start calling it an inside job or whatever but you can't believe such a ridiculous conspiracy theory which contradicts physics and pretend you're not wearing your own ass for a hat.
rgs11 9 months ago
@rgs11 Yeah, you're right: I should have never paid attention in physics class in high school and I should completely ignore documented fact.
CaptMandrake360 9 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 I don't necessarily believe that you HAVE to jump to conspiracy to acknowledge that the building were CLEARLY demolished. I believe it's in the code that such buildings have to be rigged during construction in the case that the building ever threatened to fall over onto other buildings like on 911.
I think the official story had to be modified from the truth for national security reasons.
exactly what's your rationale for the media announcing the fall of wt7 20 MINUTES EARLY?
rgs11 9 months ago
@rgs11 What does the announcement of the collapse have to do with anything? It doesn't mention anything about "pull it" nor does it make any reference to the fact that the fire dept. was pulled out. Try again. Thanks. These non-arguments are hysterical.
CaptMandrake360 9 months ago
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@CaptMandrake360 I have no problem with you supporting the gov, many do it blindly and others in the know. It takes all kinds. I also suspect you already know 9/11 was an inside job and support the covert military action. Therefore I will not take the bait. If you are a moron, and really are clueless, then I'll provide a link to help you dismantle myths concerning the foolish NIST report. Ask someone else to spin their wheels for your humor. 9/11 WAIJ Cheers! /watch?v=qFpbZ-aLDLY
tropophyte 10 months ago
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@CaptMandrake360 I have no problem with you supporting the gov, many do it blindly and others in the know. It takes all kinds. I also suspect you already know 9/11 was an inside job and support the covert military action. Therefore I will not take the bait. If you are a moron, and really are clueless, then I'll provide a link to help you dismantle myths concerning the foolish NIST report. Ask someone else to spin their wheels for your humor. 9/11 WAIJ Cheers! /watch?v=qFpbZ-aLDLY
tropophyte 10 months ago
@tropo Freefall is not exclusive to anything, alternative to the findings of NIST and there has been no evidence presented to refute the findings of NIST. It has been 10 years and the so-called "truth" movement has only managed to die out and become extinct. It is a museum of conspiracy theories, only on display on the internet and mainly on YouTube. I don't complain about anything, because I am too busy laughing at the stupidity that you people toss out every day. 9/11 was an outside job!
CaptMandrake360 10 months ago
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@CaptMandrake360 I have no problem with you supporting the gov, many do it blindly and others in the know. It takes all kinds. I also suspect you already know 9/11 was an inside job and support the covert military action. Therefore I will not take the bait. If you are a moron, and really are clueless, then I'll provide a link to help you dismantle myths concerning the foolish NIST report. Ask someone else to spin their wheels for your humor. 9/11 WAIJ Cheers! /watch?v=qFpbZ-aLDLY
tropophyte 10 months ago
Then, they do the standard, rubber stamp come back, about the govt. not loving the people, when no one expects the govt. to. They ignore the differing architecture between other buildings and the Twin Towers AND bldg. 7. At present, A&E911truth has 1,400 students and graduates, as opposed to 400 at the time of this taping. The only one who can be verified Richard Gage.
CaptMandrake360 11 months ago
1st thing the idiot truthers does, is claim that OBL was a CIA asset. This of course is not true. Not to mention that many truthers claim the CIA orchestrated the attacks, which implies Bin Laden as being involved. dsglop is right here about Pakistan being a nuke country. Then they go to WTC 7, and get it wrong there too and then try and compare it to other buildings nearby where they were taping this at. LOL!!! Total failure and complete lack of an argument.
CaptMandrake360 11 months ago
Doesn't this guy look like some rapist or child molester? I find him just creepy like the guy in that movie bug!
anewlow23 11 months ago
This is disgusting, I hope your happy with your selves. I won't be drawn into a 9/11 debate, its been proven time and time again by structal engineers and material scientists in numerous papers. Internet hearsay and cherry picking of evidence and anti scientist and government ideals that get dragged into this 9/11 debate belong there just as much as sarah palin does in the whitehouse
Poxypriest 1 year ago
The guy is clearly just an ignorant prick, they have suceeded people you may aswell give up. The public are too stupid to think and when they do investigate they always favour the official sources rather than the people who provide facts. These are the same idiots that would still deny the Gulf of Tonkin incident and that operation Northwoods is just conspiracy theory.
UNIQUE1982 1 year ago
This guy is unfortunetly the majority of the populous and proof that the average person is a total Moron! If Bin lauden was in court, a good lawyer would definitely prove reasonable doubt. And if he didn't do it , then Who? I guarantee we will never know the truth.
cruiseplatoon 1 year ago
-_-
shitt...
Bojoe777NaBl 1 year ago
Ahhhhahah. Mark Roberts is the biggest shill in the business. He's a total con artist. Have a good laugh listening to Mark Roberts. If this guy is looking up to Mark Roberts I feel more sorry for him than ever.
tropophyte 1 year ago
@tropophyte Has anyone here read the NIST report I got the DVD and start just flipping through all 10000 pages and almost none of it is NIST's own writing its just every blueprint and technical journal ever published on the WTC! They just made it so big that no one would ever want to read it. ITS ALL FILLER!
anewlow23 11 months ago
I feel sorry for these guys who can't accept that 9/11 was an inside job. It is so hard for them to face the ugly fact that the government has such inadequate assholes in it. I hope he comes to a peaceful understanding of the truth. 9/11 was an inside job.
tropophyte 1 year ago
@tropophyte well I feel sorry for the people that buy into this whole thing.."oh uhh ww2 was a setup so bankers can make some interest!" LMAO! "everything is the past was set up by some bankers...bankers bankers bankers!" you guys have the same theories that has been shit on since like 1998...ive been hearing the same shit for so many years and not one has come true..no one world govnt, no food poison fraud nothing...you will see later that nothing happens..no nwo
burgersforreal 1 year ago
@burgersforreal You are an idiot. You really are an idiot. What is the point of your post, that there is no corruption in the banking industry? Do you even know WHY every empire in the world has inevitably collapsed? And why the USA is destined to collapse likewise? Bankers. It is cyclical. They are built to collapse. You don't have to hate people for speaking out against a nearly three quarters of a quadrillion dollar derivatives bubble. Go back to school.
tropophyte 1 year ago
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this is a fucking shit video
pacificspotted 1 year ago
so what do you 'truthers' have to say about the 83,000 members denying gage?? hmm?
burgersforreal 1 year ago
@burgersforreal
you mean, the council made the decision on behalf of 83k members?
oh well, then all 83k must be unanimous in their opinions. definitely.
i mean, what elese could it be?
911reset 1 year ago
@911reset oh wow its the all known "truther" 911reset..another person big into the conspiracy theory...and no, none of them agreed with them....so tell me...wheres that NWO?? i have been hearing about this for years and years now..where is it? i remember it was suppose to come september 2008, than december 2009 and also sept 2010...well that passed...now its december 2011..and when it dosnt happen the..december 21st 2012 so on and so on...have fun dreaming
burgersforreal 1 year ago
@burgersforreal
ah, denial of a slave. true music to anyone's ears.
911reset 1 year ago
The funniest thing of this video is how the one interviewed, ignores the interviewer lol
ghpink 1 year ago
all of you that do not believe this was an inside job are unconscious frightened individuals. wake up and realize that government is not around to protect you, they dont care about you, they care about money, and thats it. please wake up and realize that the system is using you... once you do wake up please come a join the revolution, because its already begun, and you don't wanna be left behind while we all move forward. waaaaaaaaake up!!
GeorgiaAnneAlexandra 1 year ago
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It's illegal to film someone who says they don't want to be filmed. It's a shame he didn't sue.
wollclark 1 year ago
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Lol - how embarrassing.
po5166 1 year ago
Bin Laden has even said he never worked with the CIA. He hates America. He had millions of dollars of his own money, cause his dad was a millionare.
NWguy83 1 year ago
4:30 "A, I don't believe that. And 2, what are their qualifications" HAHAHAHAHA
Irawdom 1 year ago
This made me laugh:) This 'debunker' is an idiot!
horrorandmetalfan001 1 year ago
hey ive found TyVulpine on film!!
njjroberts 1 year ago
@njjroberts Nijroberts doesn't even know what I look or sound like, so claiming this is me is an obvious lie. And now because he posted an obvious lie, one must wonder what else he has lied about?
TyVulpine 1 year ago
Hey dumb fuck, it's embarrasses, not embaresses. Learn how to spell, I'm sure you're just another teenager who believes in these dumb conspiracies. Maybe once you grow up you'll actually see the reality of things, so until then, stop embarrassing yourself
TheEngrishRanguage 1 year ago
damn wat a moron
girlcalledaish 1 year ago
soooooo........Iraq was a lie, he states. How dare you say our government would kill 3000 innocent americans debunkers ask? Well, how many innocent soldiers in Iraq have died now? How many civilians?
Jrm4cam 1 year ago
this crap stinks. you embarass yoursef. fuckin depravo'.
DINGLEtheBERRY 1 year ago
This asshole comes out and says he wants to discuss the matter...? When he's the only that's talking and will not listen to what the other people have to say? It almost reminds of a child trying to argue, by repeating the same shit over and over again and talking over people's voices. He's learnt well from his Government.
xDr360x 1 year ago
what bullshit. nobody believes 9/11 was does by "terrorists". These debunkers cock suckers are government agents, retards, or attention starved faggots. No other reason to cover the truth.
Debunkers suck George Bush's dick and swallow.
FnkDctr 1 year ago
@FnkDctr
Their the retards? You're claiming people who believe that terrorists were the ones who attacked innocent civilians are government agents? You're the one who sounds like the retard, by the way, saying something "was does" is not grammatically correct. If anything the guys who made loose change are the ones who want the fucking attention, after all they are the ones who mainly started this whole conspiracy theory.....So shut the fuck up, you sound like a complete dumb ass
TheEngrishRanguage 1 year ago
Debunkers often claim we can't answer certain questions. They're right. That's why we want an investigation. I've only 1 question and no debunker has ever been able to answer it. Explain to me how it is WTC 7 collapsed at freefall, into the path of greatest resistence, into dust due to office fires? There were 28 interior columns that needed to be removed within 1/10 of a second of each other for freefall speed to be possible. FYI guy in video, the NIST confirms WTC 7 did freefall.
rkymtntruther 1 year ago
@rkymtntruther THATS TRUE vote his statement up!!!! i wanna hear that explanation!!!! point in fact 3 steel framed buildings falled at or VERY near free fall speeds. but never again or before in history.
wizerdx 1 year ago
Too much acid
amcycletrans 1 year ago
hahahah dsglop aka "dickslop" is nothing more than a intellectual midget who has been crushed many times by many truthers. he is a turd in the punchbowl and suffers from small dick syndrome...nice hat asshole.
avoozl07 1 year ago
@avoozl07 - 80+ thousand Architects reject Richard Gage's stance? Of that 80k, how many have willingly considered his presentation? If all of them had, what per centage would agree do you think?
rkymtntruther 1 year ago
@rkymtntruther wow, are you so shallow that I actually have to give you a website that list all the different architects that disagree with the official bullshit story of 9/11? get your fat lazy ass from playing world of warcraft and try using a search engine moron.
avoozl07 1 year ago
this guy argues about as good as those idiots behind Loose Change.
zarathos81 1 year ago
@zarathos81 And your personal attacks are the same as the ones from the Bermas video.
LibertyInProgress 1 year ago
LOL this is hilarious, i can understand how people really dont want to believe their government would do something like this, but there is so much overwhelming factors that the government have spouted that do not make sense, and when something doesnt make sense, its because it usually isnt true ;)
OmGLoLScott 1 year ago
this is 4 parts? ive made it threw 6 amd a half min, and this guy is a moron. done with this dummy
demigod197 1 year ago
fack you who think arab did 911, arab was the SCAPEGOAT.
Cornbag 1 year ago
hes military. look at his haircut, he has no sideburns because the military does not allow them.... loooks military debunker to me!
FnkDctr 1 year ago
@FnkDctr youre a fucking idiot you obviously dont know anything about the military, the military does allow sideburns but up to a certain legth
sergiopiece 1 year ago
@sergiopiece
Confirmed, the military allows sideburns to the opening of the earlobe. FACT!
Google: Military Dress Code.
BaradaNels 1 year ago
Too bad there is no laws against stupidity in public.
juneausucks 1 year ago
this is RKOwens partner.
stratocaster539 1 year ago
Whos Right and Whos Wrong!? and it makes a good show naame
adamtr1121 1 year ago
This guy argues the phrase "rule of law" as if he knows what the fuck that means. Great video djlogitek.
axltyler 1 year ago
Dan Stevens (dsglop)=Extremely low self esteem, stalker, resorts to ad-hominem attacks, blocks you if you have proven factual evidence, comments allowed pending approval, won't allow video showing him getting punk'd, is now resorting to "debunk" Peter Schiff, lives off of Government support, no life pussy who could use a few weeks in the gym. That about sums it up.
Google; ydio dot com/dan stevens
DABIGRAGU1 1 year ago
He's not embaressing himself
Americanbeast14 1 year ago
@Americanbeast14 indeed he is...hes a fucking idiot.
runelord37 1 year ago
it was osama bin laden
stiggyh 1 year ago
this guy sounds like he's flouridated to the gills. Stay asleep moron
kennyeret 1 year ago
this punk looks like a cop or a fire fighter, and he does not wants to believe the truth about big and powerfull governments keeping secrets and planning something to change the world to their advantage
rmtskingdom 1 year ago