The grim state of the states Pt. 3

[cultofedward]

jobl are obsolete machines have been doing the work and the trend will continue!

People need money for what they produce wether or not they have a job

I am a musician I Should get paid for what i produce but am cheated by the internet and people downloading and sharing music for free

[Alexander021]

AHAHAHAHAH that was funny.

[cultofedward]

I hope it all caves in its corrup and needs to go extinct!

States impose tyranny upon people there is no law!

[olgrunt1]

should not let queers on program

[owhabe]

this guy is nuts

[revolt81]

of life for those who would not desire or have the intellect to attend college

[revolt81]

@mrzack888....you have a list of things that could be made more affordable by simply having higher wages for the workers of our nation, the first thing on that list is college. have you considered the idea that if we universalize post secondary education the rest of your list becomes affordable for those who have the intellect and desire to take advantage of such a program? of course i do believe that the federal minimum wage should be in the $10-$12 range in order to ensure higher quality...

[revolt81]

first wtf is up with the text comment reply mechanic here these days...it just posts what should be replies at the top of the list...that is out of the way

@boots920...first tell me, would you have rather had John "bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran" McCain? or are you just a nationalist? second, your comment about your momma's Obama acting like Bush because he isn't a citizen of this nation doesn't make sense to me. are you implying that Bush isn't a citizen of this nation?

[0800RelevantElephant]

No he's not, he claims Obama is no citizen, and that's why he's just like Bush (who according to him was a citizen). Make sense? Nope. ;)

[InTheSticks1881]

In government, if one does not spend the budget, there is the possiblility that next year's budget would be reduced. One is given the incentive to spend rather than save and possibly penalized for cutting spending. At the end of the budget year, if it looks like there is unspent money, it is a common practice to find ways to spend it on whatever.

[VolcanicPenguin]

What bothers me is that NO ONE seems to talk about the solution to the problem that's SO SIMPLE.

SHORTEN THE WORK WEEK.

30 hours of work per week. 6 hours a day. Same wage. Over time, as much as 25% unemployment could dissipate.

[Antiks72]

@VolcanicPenguin The reason they didn't do that is because they make more money firing people. Less labor costs, more money. That's why you saw the stock market jump up and profits rise after the collapse. This is capitalism in a nutshell.

[VolcanicPenguin]

I know why the government isn't doing it, I just don't see why no one else is talking about it either. :P

[audadvnc]

Simple solution - cut down on the extreme overspending on law enforcement! These guys get new equipment every damn year - cars, radios, guns - it's like a big toy shop in the police departments. I doubt any terrorist attacks will be occurring if the cops are driving around in 2 year old LTD's.

[bboucharde]

Heintz,

So far, you have not said a word about mismanagement, waste, fraud, & abuse in the operation of state programs. Maybe you better look into this.

[mrzack888]

i agree for higher wages. since most manufactured consumer goods are made in China, the higher US wages will help Americans consume more.

[tarossi400]

Consume more what? Chinese products?

[mrzack888]

well, consume less chinese products, but regardless the price stays the same for consumers, except with higher wages US consumers will find domestic services such as college, health care, car repair, lawyer service type fees more affordable.

[tarossi400]

Where does the money for these higher wages come from?

[mrzack888]

corporations could pay more taxes and their workers more. when workers get paid more, they spend more. very simple. less tax havens for corporations.

[tarossi400]

Yes, but where does the corporation get all this extra money from?

When workers get paid more the products they produce cost more which means competition will obliterate them by making less costly products. Taxing more also means the price goes up. So, all of these things mean that YOUR purchasing power will be lower because of this intervention.

Look at how spectacular the computer industry does to see how a relatively unregulated market works.

[mrzack888]

corporations get this money when US consumers buy products made by cheap labor in Asia. they then hide their profits in offshore cayman island accounts. stop such actions, and the US govt will have extra money, then cut taxes and regulations for small -med size bizness in america, which can pay workers higher wages. very simple. you can't possibly be supporting slave wages for Americans can you?

[Antiks72]

@tarossi400 LOL, yeah until Intel and MS got investigated and bit for anti trust. the computer industry is a rip off. Consider the fact that my old single core comp is faster than my step son's newer comp, which is a dual core.

[tarossi400]

Consider the fact that you can afford to own at least two computers. You think they had luxuries on par with that in the Soviet Union. Hell no, not even close.

Maybe you don't understand what dual core is supposed to do for you. Maybe there is some other reason it's slower, point being, it's not the computer industries fault. It's yours.

[Antiks72]

@tarossi400 At least they could get medical care for no charge. At least they had a gauranteed job. Full employment. Here, if you lose your job in the midst of a recession, you're liable to get thrown out of your financed house, lose your financed car, and lose your health insurance. This is EXACTLY what is happening today. This system does NOT work.

[revolt81]

@tarossi400 from the profit....i'm sorry but it doesn't take millions of dollars to live comfortably...even small businesses usually make more, in profit, than the owners need to live comfortably...to require say a ten dollar minimum wage would not hurt even the smallest employer

[tarossi400]

@revolt81 Spoken like someone who does not own or even understand how a business operates.

[Bravesfan4500]

@tarossi400 The money comes those fat fuck CEO'S who use those wages on private jets, lavish resorts, high priced hookers, european automobiles, and posh estates!

[thetruthergirls]

Good points baout th elow wages. I was just thinking about that the other day. Food prices and other things are inflated, unemployment is rising, but our wages have stayed the same and it seems to cost me twice as much at the grocery store as 3 years ago. End result: peopl eobviously will spend a lot LESS on non-necessities. I don't see how you can call this recovery. We're just getting poorer.

[tarossi400]

So the obvious solution is to attack the source of the inflation, right?

[bbburton]

Crap. More big gov is not the answer to better gov. The gov that governs least, governs best. Heintz is wrong, and so is Jay.

[Paetaor]

Amen. BBBurton

It's not a coincidence that the government has grown as the productive capacity of the US has dropped.

Look at any government enterprise and compare it to any 20 year old company.

Fanny, Freddie, Ginny, FHA, FDIC, Post Office, FEMA, CIA etc etc and you will see 'companies' that go through money faster than you could burn $100 bills in your furnace.

[boots920]

1971 - "Nixon Shock" end of sound money

- Crime of the Century - Super tramp album

You observing the systems of full economic collapse caused by the Federal Reserve emitting bills of credit.

USA society ends you can't stop implosion until you get back to sound money.

US Constitution preserves a free society by rule of law.

What do you folks have now "Banana Republic" country becomes a footnote in history.

1913 start of the illegal central bank (full international co-operation) Fascism

[MrSuperpunch019]

Said that man that killed native americans.

[boots920]

Look at the FACTS: Fascism in Action

Endless UNFUNDED war

Obama can't prove he's a US citizen

US government total corruption 0 effective governance

Bernanke is counterfeiting money (high gold price)

International Fraud and Racketeering since 1971

Tiger woods is a bad boy (Propaganda)

[0800RelevantElephant]

You just had to be a birther, boots... :D

[boots920]

No I'm just an observing the subversion of the US constitution its been going on since the establishment of the illegal central communist bank in 1913.

The Global money system is toast...started in 1971 with Nixon ending sound money (International Fraud)

[0800RelevantElephant]

I'm not a birther I just crush a lot...

How's anything you just said related to what I've said? Are you a bot, boots?

[boots920]

"How's anything you just said related to what I've said? Are you a bot, boots?"

No an observer there's nothing you can do about the USA and the world economy collapsing. Look at you , you're just a dumb fuck. You don't even know what money is.

[0800RelevantElephant]

That's what I'm talking about. I mock you for being a birther, you reply by telling me something about the "subversion of the US constitution" and "illegal communist bank[s]". Then I mocked you again by singing - rapping - that I'm not a birther and your comeback involves telling me that I can't do anything about the economic collapse? WTF?? ... I dont know what they want from me - it's like the more money we come across - the more problems we see ... (Notorious B.I.G., "mo money, mo problems")

[boots920]

Obama can't prove he's a US citizen , that's a FACT

He's a puppet. He's going to send 30,000 more PATRIOTS off to a fake war.

Notorious B.I.G., "mo money, mo problems")

That's right gold and silver is money (can't counterfeit it)

But the US dollar is regarded world reserve money, but its being counterfeited (price of gold proves that observation)

Ridicule all you want no sound money, no civilization.

[0800RelevantElephant]

Birthers are the most pathetic conservative subgroup!

"Obama can't prove he's a US citizen , that's a FACT"

So what if obama is no us citizen?! Bush was one, was he better? Was he your boy? I don't give a shit where obama was born...

You know the difference between me and you? I also don't give a shit whether those soldiers are patriots or Muslims, Christians, snooker players or rap stars. Wars are pointless, no one should kill or be killed.

[boots920]

"So what if obama is no us citizen?! Bush was one, was he better? Was he your boy? I don't give a shit where obama was born... "

Bush is a war criminal in the tradition of LBJ and Nixon.

Obama is protecting war criminals because he doesn't give a fuck about USA. Once your society starts imploding your country will look like Detroit "economic wasteland"

Taxpayers wave the flag as their leaders destroy the great society (Fascism) just like Nazi Germany. Absolute destruction . Can you see...nope

[0800RelevantElephant]

yeah, we getting there... so let's just say obama does protect war criminals, how's that related to him not being a citizen? I actually agree with you there because I too think he's protecting war criminals in one way or another, but still - why the birther angle? How's that adding to any conversation?

[boots920]

"so let's just say obama does protect war criminals, how's that related to him not being a citizen?"

Symptom of subversion of the US constitution (rule of law)

Who makes a better leader for USA

Natural Born US citizen ie Thomas Jefferson

Mystery Citizen ie Obama

Is Obama a legal immigrant ?

He's sending more troops off to a fake war (error) he doesn't care if they live or die (error)

Hitler was also a dual citizen.

A government of laws, and not of men.

John Adams

[0800RelevantElephant]

HItler??? Why do we always have to talk about Hitler? How's Hitler related to Obama? Hitler was also a human being, he and Obama have that in common too! Well, you and Hitler have that in common also, what does that say about you? Nothing.

Hitler was born in Austria, and he could become Chancellor of Germany today. They don't have this "you've gotta be born in our country"-clause there...

[boots920]

They don't have this "you've gotta be born in our country"-clause there...

That's right Hitler was a shitty leader because he didn't give a rat's ass what happened to his people when he made shitty decisions.(no loyalty to the german people)

Ahhh if you have noticed by now only the long form birth certificate proves Obama born on US soil.

Have you seen it yet ? Just the short form - Error

Are the American people that ignorant - yep most don't even know they have a constitution.

[0800RelevantElephant]

I don't want to see his fucking birth certificate, I want to see him be less like George Bush, I want him to not give in so much to the corporate sector and I want him involved in less wars. Again, I don't care where this fucker was born!

[boots920]

I want to see him be less like George Bush, I want him to not give in so much to the corporate sector and I want him involved in less wars. Again, I don't care where this fucker was born!

The reason Obama is acting like Bush could be he's not a US citizen, he gives a rat's ass what happens to you hamsters. Fuck he's lied about EVERYTHING, USA is toast

You can write Obama on how dead you are hamster.

[0800RelevantElephant]

"The reason Obama is acting like Bush could be he's not a US citizen"

Do you even know how asinine that sentence sounds?

Obama's citizenship (which in any event is US, he's never been a citizen of another country) is related to how "evil" he is??? So if he was a natural citizen he wouldn't treat people like hamsters as you put it?

[boots920]

(which in any event is US,)

NOT PROVEN, no long form.

[revolt81]

tell ya what...i don't have my long form and i don't konw how to obtain one...the only one i do know how to procure would be the one i would get if i went to my state capital and requested one from the Social Security Admin...i chanllenge you to post a video in which you show us your "long form" birth certificate...i think we should be judging the man on his merit rather than a document that has only made it big by you crazy birthers...and judging by his job thus far he gets a C in my book

[boots920]

Red herring

i don't have my long form and i don't konw how to obtain one..

- So what you're not the POTUS right ?

"i chanllenge you to post a video in which you show us your "long form" birth certificate"

-Why I'm not eligible to be POTUS either is Obama he needs to prove he's a US citizen not me.

i think we should be judging the man on his merit rather than a document that has only made it big by you crazy birthers..

That's right he's sending 30,000 patriots off to a fake unfunded war dip shit.

[revolt81]

again you make no sense...i was just thinking that if we should hold everyone to the same standards and if you can't produce a document that you claim someone else can't then you have no room to criticize them...regardless of posittion...you are fighting the WRONG BATTLE...instead of hating your momma's obama, you should be hating the corporate lobbyists that control him and our federal government on a daily basis

[boots920]

.i was just thinking that if we should hold everyone to the same standards.

Yea its called RULE OF LAW (US Constitution) , the USA was toast in 1913 when the Federal Reserve subverted the RULE OF LAW.

Since 1971 the US dollar has been worthless PAPER.

Obama isn't eligible to be POTUS that's a fact (based on RULE OF LAW) That's why the States is a Banana Republic. Running fake wars, with a fake POTUS and using monopoly money to run the joint.

US fiat money system ended in 2008.

[boots920]

"i was just thinking that if we should hold everyone to the same standards"

I agree when government asked me to show my long form for a work Visa even though it was expensive a week of time and about $100 in fees (over night delivery) I complied no problem. That was for a work visa not POTUS eh dip shit.

[revolt81]

Wikipedia "Long forms, also known as certified photocopies, book copies, and photostat copies, are exact photocopies of the original birth record that was prepared by the hospital or attending physician at the time of the child's birth."...and also..."Hawaiian Department of Health spokeswoman "Hawaii does not have short-form or long-form certificate." Department confirmed that the state "has Sen. Obamas original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

[revolt81]

these things are verifiable "dip shit"...in my opinion, birthers are merely racists that protect themselves from the ridicule they would face by simply stating they disapprove of obama because he is black by using the gift certificate complaint...i didn't even vote for the guy because he spoke of sending more troops to afganistan and that is not change i can believe in...i voted nader...you are nothing but a rable rousing fool of a racist...

[boots920]

Com'on come up with something better than the race card.

When I HAD to show my long form it wasn't a big deal. Obama might not even be a legal immigrant that's ridiculous.

[revolt81]

You, sir, are a moron. The Hawaii Health Department has stated that they have his original birth certificate on record and long form means as stated above, "certified photocopies, book copies, and photostat copies"...so the way i see it you are either a racist or a moron or, and this is very likely the case, both.

[boots920]

"The Hawaii Health Department has stated that they have his original birth certificate on record" - corruption

So what are the taxpayers of the USA just a bunch of pussies?

There's no LONG FORM buddy on top of that Obama isn't natural born.

Now no big deal but OBAMA is continuing the endless unfunded fake war. The US economy is in free fall and the central bank is counterfeiting money.

Not good if you like eating.. since 1971 US dollar has been funny money. 40 years of counterfeiting.

[revolt81]

the whole system is corrupted....but what you are doing here is not part of the solution...the way i see it is this...we will soon be facing two options, either we get right with each other and start sharing our knowledge and educating the uneducated on a global scale and create a unified humanity, or degrade into a "mad max" reality where the sex drunk and retard strong force civilized people to hide in caves...what you are doing now is likely to lead to the latter

[boots920]

Well what have you done lately hamster ?

You don't even know the US government has been counterfeiting paper currency since 1971.

You can't fix it buddy we're all toast, you need a 100 years of sound money.

Look the American people are so ignorant they have a Kenyan National as POTUS and have no problem with that REALITY.

[SwedxSimon02]

Sir, with all due respect and high regards, do not ad hominem, mister sir

[moniequa]

@revolt81, i think you're funny

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

I find it funny when right-wingers come out saying 'Bush is evil'. No sh*t, Sherlocks.

For 7 1/2 years they had nothing but praise for the man. Liberals and even the odd honest, consistent conservative (James Bovard) were silenced or threatened. People got arrested for wearing the wrong t-shirt. Meanwhile, right-wingers did what they do best: toe the line and pray at the altar of the strongman du jour.

Now the Democrats are in power, they all turn into die-hard Libertarians!

Ridiculous.

[boots920]

Obama can't even prove he's a US citizen that's pretty evil.

No legal document shown to the public proves Obama is a US citizen.

The US government gives a rat's ass...proven

[boots920]

All wars are follies, very expensive and very mischievous ones.

Benjamin Franklin

"Wars are pointless, no one should kill or be killed."

That's 100% correct but if some foreign invader wants to shoot your ass you better have a strong army and legitimate leaders in place to protect your freedom.

- some patriots are on their 8th tour of duty (just shell of a Patriot now

- vaccines fucked up many patriots

- no proper water logistics for desert warfare (subversion)

30,000 Patriots have bad kidneys

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

You're beyond hope, boots.

[boots920]

Why.

What's one thing that I've states isn't true ?

[revolt81]

if he is a puppet then he isn't the one actually sending anyone anywhere...and if you were in his shoes and they offered whatever they offer could you refuse? humans are selfish, i don't think i could refuse...

[boots920]

That's the problem with you , you frickin moron you don't think.

How are you folks paying for the sandbox wars ?

No money raised for the wars what a debacle USA will not survive with this type of idiocy going on. Looks like total empire implosion.

[kmg501]

Paul Jay or whatever his name is preaching the union mantra like what we saw in the thirties and forties which resulted in horrendous unemployment and the eventual necessity for the FBI to step in and stop massive criminal activity by the unions which was result of FDR deliberate tactics.

Research this history for yourselves, it's well documented. I expect however that the leftist reactionaries will vote me down to try and hide this post because they don't want people discovering the truth.

[kmg501]

This man is a Keynesian moron. We have nothing left to stimulate with.

[kmg501]

Productivity has NOT gone up. That is completely false.

[Antiks72]

The whole stimulus was a scam. It was a huge transfer of tax payer dollars from the poor and middle classes to the rich. Banks are hording this cash right now.

[Paetaor]

Where did they dig up this guy?

Increased government spending is the solution? That's the main cause of the problem, it can't fix the problem.

YOU CAN'T RELY ON GOVERNMENT TO GIVE YOU A JOB!!!

Look at the Soviet Union for your childrens sake, they tried this already.

[MopacMurtaza]

I beg to differ. The Soviet Union had very bad leadership, and had a very corupt bureaucracy, that didnt know what to produce and how much to produce.

If it was really done professionally it could have been something great.

And as Noam Chomsky says, Russia is living off of the corpse of the Soviet Union.

[Antiks72]

@MopacMurtaza The Soviets had the second largest economy next to us for quite awhile. You have to give credit where credit is due.

[MopacMurtaza]

For sure the Soviets do need credit, but lets not beat around the bush, there were many things wrong with the Soviet Union, and i say that as a Socialist.

Credit should most def be given, russia cant match the same production of food and other things of the level that existed in the Soviet Union.

Too bad corruption killed a project that could have been beautiful.

[tarossi400]

The Soviet society was essentially a slave farm. Central planning destroyed that country and had to take cues from capitalist societies to even begin to decide what needed to be built. Nearly the whole society was poor as hell and relied on foolish bureaucrats for handouts to survive. Never mind the tens of millions of people that died because of these ideas, either from starvation or directly with a noose or gun. There is no "credit" due here.

[Antiks72]

@tarossi400 I don't think the Soviet Union was as bad as our government told us it was. You and I didn't live there, so we really can't say for sure. The communist party is gaining voting share, btw.

[Antiks72]

@Paetaor The government is already an employer. He's preaching Keynes, btw.

[tarossi400]

You're missing the point. Sure, governments have employees, but they produce nothing. The government is not CREATING any wealth, It is only CONSUMING it. That is why adding government jobs will not solve the problem because in order to pay them you either tax the productive citizens more or you borrow the money. Both end in disaster.

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

Teachers, soldiers, fire fighters, FDA employees...

You don't know the first thing about economics if you think government employees don't create or help create wealth.

[tarossi400]

I understand that employees who's salary is paid in stolen money are not producing anything. Just where is it you think the money to hire government employees comes from?

I don't understand why Marxists, such as yourself, have such a hard time understanding how value is produced, especially given the spectacular failures of the communist model over the last century.

[huskerbird1]

marquis, u got one right,,,,, teachers

[0800RelevantElephant]

well and fire fighters, fda employees (and other gov. empl.), even fucking soldiers technically preserve value...

[Antiks72]

@tarossi400 Government doesn't produce wealth, but private companies do, and it all goes to the tiny elite running the company. The working class? Well, they're screwed.

[tarossi400]

Life has never been better for the working class under a capitalist system. How can you say they're screwed? Even "poor" people have cars and cable tv here. There will ALWAYS be people who do not do well in a given society and capitalism is by far the best way to minimize the impact of poverty.

I'd be interested in hearing how you think working people are screwed.

[Antiks72]

@tarossi400 Cable TV and cars? Do you really consider that to be the paramount of capitalism? Not everyone has those things. There are plenty of people taking public transportation for instance. Having a car costs you in insurance, gas, upkeep -- how is that so good? Many working people do not have health coverage and last time I check rich bankers brought down the economy.

[blackiron60]

Life only got better because the working class fought hard to make it better. The capitalists only let things get better because they were forced to let things get better. That's why many people can now afford cars and cable TV, not to mention a decent place to live, not because of capitalism but because of democratic struggle. With the concentration of wealth, regressive taxation, longer work hours, less benefits, less pay, more stress etc. in the last few decades those gains are eroding.

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

blackiron, that is sadly true.

[Paetaor]

I know that he is a Keynsian.

My point is that relying on the government to get you a job is a bad idea.

Governments are terribly inefficient at almost everything compared to the public and create waste that is eventually paid for by the public.

It's impossible to do good with other peoples money.

[Antiks72]

@Paetaor That's just an excuse to privatize everything in sight, and I it doesn't hold any water. Social security is pretty damned efficient. Our local DMV has had gains too, most everything can be done online. Medicare's administrative costs are lower than private insurance's.

[Paetaor]

Shoot, I thought you were serious until saw:

"Social security is pretty damned efficient."

Probably the biggest rat hole in the history of mankind.

[0800RelevantElephant]

what kind of a broad idiotic statement is that? Its impossible to do good, really? So you're the kind of libertarian who doesn't even have charities in his plan anymore? What kind of welfare institutions would you support? none?

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

I think, basically, you have two groups of people: those like you and me who feel welfare is a (universal) right and those who feel it's something to be earned - or, in practice - to be bought.

I'm pretty sure drones like Paetor are ok with charity work being done by religious charities (Christian charities, mind you). What they're really saying is: 'at the end of the day, some poor people will fall through the cracks and suffer and die, and I'm cool with that'.

[0800RelevantElephant]

They even dare to go further. They say: 'with our system it will be more fair because money will be allocated more effectively (in some magical way no one has ever managed to explain to me) - and we also wont need a very large welfare system, because people will learn to adapt. They will either die or learn how to be productive. Eventually what they have in mind is even more cruel than the villainous communism and fascism they reference to scare people into believing them.

[Paetaor]

@0800RelevantElephant

Have you been asleep since the 70s?Social Security has been used to close budget deficits for decades.

There is no wad of cash waiting for those waiting to retire, it's all been stolen from them. There will be nothing but a useless currency in the US in a few years and it's a crime.

&BTW I donate to many different charities, including the United Way, Childrens Hospital in my town and Humane Society to name a few.

[scottpatrickhumphrey]

@Paetaor the money taken from ss is a surplus after all benefits have been paid for that fiscal year.

[Paetaor]

I know. But that was never its intent.

The surplus was meant to be saved as a fund to be used as people retired in greater numbers.

Instead it was used to go to war and buy elections and now the pot sits at $0 and the tipping point of input vs output is almost here.

[scottpatrickhumphrey]

True.