Hornblower-8-Duty Part3

[LokitheCajun]

Gaaaah! I cannot stand that flat accent of the American woman! Come on! I'm a southern american, and I know a whole host of interesting accents that A&E could have used for her..... But noooooo! They just had to use the flattest, plainest, American (midwest?) accent possible.

[ahenmaxtae]

beh. i thought the lady had an irish accent? but is that her attempt at an american accent? i cant tell what the hell its meant to be

[Fred4Forever]

There needs to be a Sharpe Hornblower xover. Although the world might just explode from too much awesomeness. Still, worth the risk.

[theWall0719]

That was real smart, taking the recently pressed yank ashore with them....

[liamnoeljohnpaul]

mr bush and his arm haha

[AgentM062509]

@BattyKellen...I couldn't agree more

[TheBrakedown]

she forces the American accent way too much.

[vardiss22]

Awesome moment...she goes to slap Hornblower and he simply restrains her....no Madame this is not America..love it awesome

[Ajraddatz]

Why would they take the American with them? That seems to be the most bone-headed choice they could have possibly made.

[b0ywithhat]

@Ajraddatz She's hot. Very hot

[Songsmirth]

@Ajraddatz Yes, I agree. No one trusts him yet there he is. He might have jumped ship to help these people for all they know. They do know he did whatever he did for $. And here they are trusting him to get their backs in a potentially dangerous situation! // One thing that's always bothered me. . Why was the Mrs. insistant on him going first? That wasn't done. Women went first, always. She knows something about the man and didn't want to be in front of him for some reason. Anyone?

[BattyKellen]

My god, that woman can't act worth a shit.

[Hooikt2500]

@BattyKellen when hollywood american coems into a fine british series. LOL

[LokitheCajun]

@BattyKellen Must be the accent.

[lunaMoonMaan]

i miss kennedy!!!!!!!!!!! :(

[MajBlood]

Haha Hornblower just impressed an American seaman into the Royal Navy! Go fuck yourself James Madison!

[SCE2AUX]

@MajBlood Not after 1815 they didn't.

[MajBlood]

@SCE2AUX Because we let them. Don't think the War of 1812 was some sort of glorious victory and second war of independence for America. Though I can't blame you too much. I hear there are people in the United States who actually think they won 1812.

[SCE2AUX]

@MajBlood

- We didn't lose any land.

- Our sailors were no longer being kidnapped by Britain.

[MajBlood]

@SCE2AUX Um yeah that's cool, but since you were the aggressor and not the defender, you don't need to lose any land to be declared the losers of the war, you only need to fail in your imperialistic ambitions.

[SCE2AUX]

@MajBlood Impressment of a sovereign nation's citizens by another is an act of war.

[MajBlood]

@SCE2AUX No an act of war is when you invade someone elses country. Naval impressment was a minor underlying cause but the Americans started the war when they invaded Canada.

[SCE2AUX]

@MajBlood I suggest you double check your sources. Impressing another nations citizens is an act of war. British North America was invaded AFTER the formal declaration of war by the US on June 18th because it was the most convenient British target. And YOU may consider kidnapping a "minor" affront to national sovereignty, but WE didn't then, and we don't now.

[MajBlood]

@SCE2AUX Um declaring before invasion just makes the Americans bad tactical thinkers. Doesn't changed the fact that they declared war first. We only did so in retaliation. And your sailors deserved to be impressed for the American Revolution.

[SCE2AUX]

@MajBlood If they deserved to be impressed, why did Britain stop impressing them?

[MajBlood]

@SCE2AUX Because the United States wouldn't stop pestering us. Obviously you know we could have kept it up if we really wanted.

[sobriquet1999]

@SCE2AUX Lets be honest, one reson the British impressed US sailors is because the US would grant citizenship to deserting British sailors. Most of the sailors impressed by the British were British born and many were in fact deserters. True The USA had every right to protest, but how would we feel if Mexico started accepting US army deserters into their army at a time of a major US?China war?

[SCE2AUX]

@sobriquet1999 I don't see how it would matter since there would be plenty of Mexicans rushing in illegally to take their place.  In any case, we wouldn't respond by kidnapping Mexicans.

[SuperAntiZionist]

Fucking Yankie Doodle Dandies.

[horatio118]

Matthews is so absolutely awesome in this series. In the books he's actually not this prominent a character, but who cares.

[ThatsMrMoronToYou]

Those one-shot pistols sure have a high rate of fire.

[FlippinBooks]

Oh no! Not Bracegirdle!!

[zackzack888]

Im no linguist but Im from the app. mountains and I was told that our accent was the most unchanged form of English in the world. We were so isolated for so long it was not influenced by anything else. At least that is what I was told it may or may not be true. And their accents are terrible. I could not do an English one I guess accents are just impossible to really fake.

[Songsmirth]

@zackzack888 I look up the biography of this lady. She's Irish and one of the only actors in this series that isn't a good fit but there are so many that are excellent I get past it although it's hard to listen to. I wonder how they passed her though her interviews to get the part? Maybe other Brits who thought she was fine. lol No offense anyone. :) Songs

[mtbskiier92]

There's no way the actress is american, that accent is so damn fake.

[hfa555]

Most unlikely the Captain and the First Lieutenant would both go ashore together.

[ruralgent]

What a forced American accent. Holy crap!

[mrgeorgeallison]

Why can't people differentiate between English and British, it puzzles me.

[iago18958]

@mrgeorgeallison In the past, it wasn't really politically incorrect for England to be used as a term for all of Britain. It was really only as late as the 1930's that it was frowned upon. But also, do you mean British, or Great British, because there is a big difference.

[mrgeorgeallison]

@iago18958 I appreciate you trying to teach me about this but it's not needed, British history is my major reading at uni. British does refer to citizen of the United Kingdom, Great British refers to something pertaining to the island of GB. Thank you but I am well aware.

[brohan914]

she is such a terrible actor

[smellincoffee]

"It's quiet. TOO quiet."

[TWBaltz]

In reality, the American accent was very similar to the British at this time. It was only 30 years after the war and they both sounded quite the same.

[MajBlood]

@TWBaltz Dude no way, Americans didn't sound British during the American Revolution let alone the Napoleonic Wars. It takes less time than you think for an accent to develop.

[SurefireEMT4YOU]

As much as I like Hornblower, I didn't really care for the part when he tells the American that he has to be in Royal Navy. Even though that man probably needs some disicipline. It's just the idea that the British are telling him what he can and can't do. Really like this series though!!! Best i've seen in a long time!!

[mymagnoliatree]

He's a sailor, and they rescued him. I don't think he would have got red-carpet treatment.

[cjonesabc]

Her voice is so annoying!

[allegrogryf]

3:16 god he's handsome!

[hannnazus]

My ancestors lived in Upper Canada in 1812 as per their documentation and letters. Prior to that they lived in the Province of Québec and prior to that in New France. They didn't call the place they lived British North America. That term wasn't commonly used until the early-mid 1800s anyway. Nor is the queen (or her rep) anymore than a constitutional & ceremonial figure-head. Exerting her limited rights would break the uncoded constitution & normally result in a constitutional crisis ..

[SangsungMeansToCome]

On the other hand, who knows how Americans spoke in 1805? All of them?

[Albukhshi]

actually, we do know; the reason has to do, surprisingly enough, with education.

the problem in America at the time was that education was rudimentary, particularly in writing. as a result, spelling mistakes and hypercorrection abound. and it can be surprisingly accurate in depicting the dialect of the speaker.

I know what massachusetts people sounded like in 1775 because of that. their accent hasn't changed as much as one might be led to think.

[mymagnoliatree]

It can change a lot! English spelling looks weird because it is how we spoke 7 hundred years ago when the first printing presses were used.

[Albukhshi]

yeah, that's what I was saying.

unless you were replying to someone else?

[mymagnoliatree]

@Albukhshi No, I was replying to you. You were saying that you knew what people would have sounded like in 1775, and the accent hasn't changed. But there can be very rapid changes in accent. My family all come from London, but I remember what my grandparents spoke like, and it is completely different to my children, even though it is officially the same accent, and they were born only 75 years apart.

[Albukhshi]

oh, I see now. my bad

but yes, you are correct in regards to London; there was indeed a considerable amount of change in British english over the last 250 years in fact.

but I was referring to Massachusetts, not London. and I didn't exactly say they remained unchanged; I did however imply that there was little change in the past 250 years.

I recommend david hackett fischer's book on Paul revere; he mentions the period accent in detail. called "paul revere's ride" iirc.

[mymagnoliatree]

@Albukhshi Something I think is funny is that there is some snobbery in British English about "Americanisms" when actually because of isolation at the time of major change, most "americanisms" and a lot of American slang words reflect original Elizabethan English. BUT... just because a schoolmaster wanted to assert independence, doesn't mean that humour, colour, favour, etc end in the sound OR. That "u" is there for a reason.

[mymagnoliatree]

The British and Americans would have spoken almost the same. The southern English "Bahhhth" for "bath" and "cahhht" for "cart" started as a fashionable affectation in the late 18th Century.

[TWBaltz]

Not a very good American accent. She adds her orignal accent at the very end of her sentences.

[raraandraja]

if he falls in love with her, seriously, i am going to reach through the screen and beat him

[EdMcStinko]

Bush is a perfect first officer, loyal, smart and he kicks your ass if you're out of line.

[Orbitusvode]

I agree. And such a voice on the man!

[stevenstreets3]

cmon t new orleans ya english shit

eat cajun pussy and die

your queen and her bank too

[LordWellington15]

Styles just got burned by the cpt.'s stewerd! (style's is still cool though, but I find I'm liking the stewerd).

[raraandraja]

actualyyy...

the americans thought that Canada was undefended because of british occupation in europe. They thought wrong, so the british took them on and eventually burned washington to the ground.

[attie3]

lol raraandraja yall always have to talk about that and still have not forgiving the british for the fire on washington in the war of 1812 but we are still good friends and forever lol

[mrgeorgeallison]

@AdmiralWebb Let's not forget the US invasion of Canada.

[cumbo69]

GO ON HORNBLOWER YA FUCKING HERO YA!

[DouglasEdward84]

The accent everyone is commenting on is an irish woman playing an american but I guess everyone can't do some simple research into that before engaing in their nationality bashing, it is why she also sounds like she is from Newfoundland

[theWall0719]

Actually, while she does def sound like a Newffy, I did run into some Americans lately that sounded just like her. They said that they were from New York though.

[cumbo69]

Hornblower has become such a badass!

[GoldenBoughTrader]

In the South Pacific (Marshall Islands) I saw a Captain dive down in 12 foot seas and clear the props of a skiff tow rope. Had we grounded on the coral I have no doubt many would have died. The things you see some men do on the ocean it just fills your heart with AWE. I can understand why these men had such great respect for their Captains. On the high seas the Captain is God. Or close enough.

[Ohloveeh]

@cumbo69 The punishment is.....death

No surprise there :P

[wellington1800]

Mr. Prowse is a Warrant Sea Officer, ranking between a Lieutenant and a Midshipman. They were full officers and usually specialists, such as the Ship's Surgeon, Purser, Carpenter, Gunner, and in Mr. Prowse's case, Sailing Master. The Sailing Master piloted and sailed the vessel, and was very often a large man with a loud voice with which to shout orders such as Make Sail or something thereof. In the movie Master and Commander, Mr. John Allen in the HMS Surprise's Sailing Master.

[kurumais]

what rank is mr prowse? is he an nco or something ?

thanks

[TheCurtainCall]

did canada exsit in that time?

[1cg12345]

canada did exsist, but it was part of the British Empire

[Orbitusvode]

Technically, Canada still doesn't exist to this day.

[wellington1800]

Yes only it was known as "British North America." Only when about the time it was granted limited and full autonomy from the British Crown (Canada still recognizes HM Queen Elizabeth II of the UK as their head of state through the Canadian Governor-General) did it gain the title of "Dominion of Canada."

[MAXIMILIANAIRE]

Why cant the Yank actors have a cool accent? Like Virginian? Or at least from somewhere the accent isnt too stereotypical?

[PsychoCheese1337]

A Virginian accent in this time period would be a bit stereotypical.

[theWall0719]

What Hornblower did to McGuire was one of the reasons the US attacked Canada in the War of 1812.

[az1517]

And we all know what happend then we marched to Washington D.C. and burnt it down.

[PsychoCheese1337]

Skip ahead a few chapters: U.S. wins.

[tiredy6]

Skip ahead a few chapters and we liberate europe

[blaisejones]

lol, so thats an old school american accent. sounds a lot like a newfie.

[ggmorvaj]

You must be a fellow Canadian!!!!! No one else would know what a newfie is. Actually, to me, she sounds like most English people ,when they mimic Americans.......They usually overdo it a little on that American "rrrr" sound, don't you think.....but maybe a British audience wouldn't notice the subltle difference ???

[blaisejones]

hehe yeah I think you're right. You'd think they could afford to get a real American lol.

[ggmorvaj]

LOL....wonder what English people think of us, trying to put on English accents!!!!!!

[theWall0719]

Like a newfie? No I don't think so, at least not quite.

[ggmorvaj]

Another fellow Canadian! It's like a test to see if someone's Canadian or American....just use the word Newfie in a sentence & the Americans will look at puzzled.......LOL

[theWall0719]

I can usually tell who is American just by talking to them. Americans generally have certain idiosyncracies, stereotypes and strong accents and ways of speaking, not to mention the inability to accept that they are wrong.

[ggmorvaj]

Yes, I think you're right about American accents & idiosyncracies, but there's many parts of the northeast & the pacific coast where the accents& mannerisms are EXTREMELY like ours. ....But don't you think you're being a little harsh(& narrow minded) by making that last statement.......I've met enough Americans to have come to the conclusion that it's just American manners to be very assertive expressing their opinions. Much more so than north of the border.

[theWall0719]

I have been to eastern and western US, UK, Europe and Costa Rica and my worst run ins have all been with Americans.

That said, I fully realize that I am generalizing and you should know that I do have American friends and have met very pleasant Americans. Unfortunately, their overall mannerisms seem to really annoy me.

It's probably also worthy of note that all my American friends are on the western most area of the US and mostly from the Seattle area, with some from California.

[TWBaltz]

Haha and the Canadians admit they're wrong. Most Canadians I hear and speak with are more over patriotic than many Americans. Its sad the way others think they are better just because the live in a place that flies a different flag.

[mymagnoliatree]

patriotism isn't just to do with a flag; it's to do with the achievements and nature of the country you come from. For instance, the ex British colonies of USA, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are all free, democratic, first world nations. Compare that with the mess left behind in south America. Damed good thing for North America that we got the Spanish and Portuguese out of there.

[Donnoliel]

Disdain. But Americans are a bigger audience, and you believe it, so they carry it on.

[TheCurtainCall]

yeah american are crap at putting on american accents

[Ichcann]

Hornblower has become a badass

[ciroalb3]

I love all the scenes in the rain. The cst must have liked them too.

[urquhart2001]

Bracegirdle, noooooo! You can't die! You've got the coolest name ever.

[BVargas78]

sounds like a hobbits name :)

[brohan914]

she's terrible actor, sounds like she's form De Moins

[brohan914]

amen, that midwestern accent is killing my ears

[deadaliveinlove]

If he falls in love with her, I swear I am going to reach through the screen and beat him.

[ytmessenger]

lol :)

[JoshMarden]

@deadaliveinlove the accent would drive me insane.

[DanceWithTheDevil20]

OMFG she's morbidly obese!!!! WHY?????

[trinnhedy]

Uggh! Couldn't they find a better actress!?

[hschan4]

Yeah I don't see why they needed to have an American character in Hornblower. Americans ruin everything they are in (movies, iraq, etc...haha)

[trinnhedy]

Well, we do have a tendency to lump classes of people together without regard to the individuals involved, but I hope that is a mistake we are all learning to avoid.

[hschan4]

Do you mean the "melting pot"?

[Guzzen1]

No, you cretin, he is making a sarcastic remark about the generalization you made in response to trinnhedy's comment.

[hschan4]

Quiet you American lover!

[Guzzen1]

Okay, now it's just funny :P

[hschan4]

Yes I got the joke... I make exception for Americans from the North East, but all those in the south can eat shit and die...

[ppitm]

Americans kicked ass when they were afloat. But my god the stereotypical yankee is insufferable in movies whether they are foreign or not.

[hschan4]

Don't you mean the stereotypical Brit? They are either made to be villains in films or butlers...

[ppitm]

I mean the American character in a film full of brits (or other Europeans). It works the other way too, of course.

[GrittyPunk]

The americans navy was non effective and existant until 1890, It won only one battle against Royal Navy ship of the era

[ppitm]

It won half a dozen high profile actions against the Royal Navy. It won no strategic victories against, but it earned respect from them. It succeeded in chastising the Barbary States and launching an amphibious campaign that captured Mexico City in a season. And then of course, there's the civil war.