Satan will be so proud of he's little Intelletual helper friends the Huminists,who are helping to destroy the christian religion.And make way for the Anti-Christ 666.
@timmye00 Mate, get real, Satan...the Devil, whatever you want to call him is a story, a myth made up thousands of years ago by people who new nothing about how the world works to try to explain why people do bad things. Be rational about this.
@timmye00 Errr no, it's not anti-Christian, it's pro humanity. Try thinking about it a little more deeply and not just reacting off the top of your head.
This video is just another story of a generation who has no parent. A generation of entitlement, who sees a box of cookies and kicks and screams until he/she gets every one whether they are good or bad for them. How long until we wake up and realize that we are leaving our family values behind by being so self centered?
@LeagueOfDorf Upholding family values doesn't mean we have to live in the dark of ancient superstition. You say we are becoming self-centered? There is nothing selfish about humanism, on the contrary, it's about caring for one another. I would say that using a blood sacrifice of an imaginary god to absolve personal sins, pray for rewards, favours...oh, and a ticket to paradise, and happily imagine that one is special in the eyes of their lord is rather self-centered, wouldn't you?
@sainter1 I see that you are well versed in the art of Christian stereotypes. However, Christianity is not about Christians, but rather about God. We live to bring glory to God. Happiness is only a by-product of this. Therefore, the focus is not on ourselves, but on God. The only thing that make us different from non-believers is that Christians are saved through grace (therefore we are free to serve God rather than ourselves). Christians have nothing to boast about.
@LeagueOfDorf Not a stereotype, it comes from observation and experience. Your description of Christianity is admirable but idealistic and not the reality. Many devout "by the book" Christians convert out of either desperation or an empty life, looking for something to give it meaning. This action is in itself, self centered. It is no coincidence that most fundamentalist Christians politically favour individualism over the collective good.
@sainter1 Humanism means that people are in charge of what happens, correct? If so, then that means that humanity can take pride in what they accomplish, if what they do is good. This makes the focus on the self and what the self has done, thus, being self-centered in actions and thoughts.
@LeagueOfDorf Humanism's aim is to promote a secular path to a moral world primarily for the good of the collective. It doesn't disregard individual freedoms but the good of the many outweighs all else. This in fact is what Jesus of Nazareth taught: love for one another; compassion and forgiveness as community values. Unfortunately this has been lost on many Christians who think Jesus' value is in the forgiveness of their sins. They turned a great thinker into the son of god. He was just a man
@sainter1 You are entitled to your perspective However, I must say one thing. Humanism is dissolving the family in pursuit of its own freedoms. As much as I love promoting hospitality and health, there isa darker side to humanism. There comes a point when we see the freedoms of others as our own. Some examples of this include abortion, the further dissolving and dysfunction of the family and other "freedoms" that attempt to take away the responsibility from ourselves. These actions are perpetual
@LSD25ALICE Hi, Alice. I'm sorry to take so long answering your comment. Yes it did take me alot of time researching and making this vid. I already had set ideas on what I wanted to say and how it would look. Much of the time thereafter was spent creating the images and writing the music (following the Stones track). It was worth it though. It's a statement, and an important one I feel, especially given the way things are today. Thx so much for featuring it on your channel - Wayne :)
You're taking the important quotations out of context. Humanist ideas are not atheistic, it is an expression of the faith you can have in other human beings to act with considerate moral character to other lifeforms on the planet. That belief and spirituality have nothing whatever to do with one another.
@Nerfi Thanks for your comment. Good point but I beg to differ. I aimed to show that religious dogma retards progress, morally and culturally, and that humanism, divorced from religion can stand alone as a moral philosophy - you'll find this explained fully in the description text and video text. I'm not asserting that humanism belongs to atheism, only that we don't need religion to be moral. The quotations I used are there to reinforce my and many others' atheist position.
DEFINITION: Humanist; among the most naive and superstitious of all humans, who believe that science and education will save us from our sins, in spite of the historical evidence after a so-called "age of enlightenment", there arose global imperialism and slavery, the American, French, Russian, Chinese and scores of other violent bloody revolutions, WWI, WWII, Vietnam and continuing, global mass pollution and a looming WWIII, perhaps the real "war to end all wars", who can say for sure"?
@richardaberdeen Your saviour, Jesus of Nazareth, was perhaps the very first radical humanist, preaching equality, non-violence & compassion for others. If you deride humanism you deride Jesus. How hypocritical you fundamentalists are! You call yourselves Christians yet you are pro guns, pro military, pro death penalty and eye for an eye right wing, the complete opposite of what Jesus taught. If Jesus was alive today he'd be one of those "bleeding heart" Liberals you hate so much. Think about it
There is no evidence that the universe magically exists all by itself, without any intelligence behind it. There is however, overwhelming evidence that modern science is filled with ignorant liars who wouldn't know what evidence is if it jumped up and bit them on the ass.
@richardaberdeen Richard, "the Universe magically existing all by itself" and yet you expect people to believe that an invisible being magically create it out of nothing? Try putting aside your narrow view for a moment, scientists aren't liars, they work through a process of investigation to arrive at empirically provable facts. Some theories are overturned as we learn more, but calling them "liars" is absurd and very ignorant. You need to break out of your bubble.
One day soon,everything that has been invented,developed and written by the hand of men,its going to be flushed down the toilet.Only one thing will remain eternal.The son of God.
@TOLTECAAZTECA I don't believe you truly believe in what you've said in your comment. More likely it's wish thinking on your part. There's an odd, rather selfish, death wish in the back of religious people's minds. They can't wait to see the end of the world so that they can be in heaven. They don't care what happens to others or to the world, just as long as THEY are in paradise. Fortunately it's not going to happen. Sorry to disappoint you. Thx for your comment.
I invite you all to the visiting world of Harry Potter. If you are all good enough, you may be allowed entery. All you need is to believe and have faith in the existence of witch craft and wizardry. Remember, religion never requires proof or scientific evidence, just faith. :)
@khashya786786 Yeah, witch craft, magically appearing universes, self-design, the religion of "humanism" will save us, in spite of the overwhelming evidence of WWI, WII, global mass pollution, WMDs and a looming WWIII, emanating out of a so-called "age of reason". You're correct, atheism = Harry Potter, only far less plausible. Atheists are the most superstitious of all known human beings, by far...
@richardaberdeen ..What do you mean atheism= Harry Potter. It seems as if you had failed to understand my point. Atheism= the disbelief of supernatural, unlogical, unscientific ideas. This does not equal Harry Potter because as absurd as my "Harry Potter religion" is, I will continue to put all my faith into it. Simply because I believe ! :)
@khashya786786 Atheism is the most superstitious of all know human positions, thus you are correct, atheism does not equal Harry Potter. Harry Potter is far more likely true than what atheism pretends.
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@sainter1 I forgot what he said now. all I know is there is no such thing as humanism without spirituality. only the outrageously evil and insane criminals running governments & religious institutions as Satanists would come up with reasoning to get people to accept secular humanism; a human being is not just a physical body. the spirit & souls is part of a human. to claim to study or follow humanistic ideas without the spirit is upbelievable, & to believe it is equaly unbelievable.
this is utter crap humanism is a religion as all leftist idealogies are and that man is god and its the biggest genocidal group in the history of mankind-are humanists are the bane of humanity- the killers of all things beautiful
humanists are flat out scum -
secularism humanism has killed a billion people under the umbrella of where man believes he is god-
all humanists are filthy none humans people say christians kill-500 thousand humanists a billion in the last 70 years humanists=evil
@fatherdoom1973 Humanism is a philosophy, not a religion. It's a way of thinking that allows for uncertainty. Religion preaches absolute certainty - a serious mistake as you can see from what's happening in the world today. No nations or political ideology has killed in the name of humanism. I suggest you think about things a little deeper.
I am inclinded to disagree with you on this. Humanism is just another religion, without a god. Humanists like Julian Huxley writing the Purpose and Philosophy of UNESCO admit this. Humanists claim to be for tolerance, but yet invented the term "zero tolerance" for those who don't espouse humanist values such as homosexuality being on the moral par with heterosexuality. Humanism defines itself often basically as the enemy of religion and is therefore intolerant itself.
@Hallonsylt It's true, Humanism like anything can have intolerant adherants, but that's not the fault of Humanism, it's the problem of individuals who lack balance and common sense. But I don't agree that Humanism is a religion. Humanism is a broad array of secular moral principles that move with the progress of time, ever changing and reevaluating. Religious morality is dogma set in stone by the so called moral authority of a deity or religious scripture. Thx for your comment.
@sainter1 So, you don't have any evidence that the "goodness of man", which the humanist Thomas Paine referred to, will actually save us any better than the "goodness of man" did in ancient Babylon and Egypt, so now instead of providing evidence, you're going to lecture me on the meaning of humanism, as if I haven't actually studied humanist philosophy, which I have.
@richardaberdeen The evidence of the good of humanism is in juxtaposing it with the folly of blind faith and the hatred that comes from it. Your aggression and intolerance on this thread is an example. When people start being more humble, less dogmatic, less convinced they have a direct line to a mythical God, then maybe Humanism will have a better chance. Thankfully in the 21st century there are now less of you and more of us.
@sainter1 As for example, some of the "great humanist thinkers" engaging in bloody revolutions over petty material things like 3% taxation, for example (American Revolution), petty disagreements between various kings, nobles and wealthy merchants (French Revolution), disagreements over differences in wealth distribution (Communist Revolution), etc. Yeah, there's some real good moral examples, for you, wealthy American, French and other aristocrats stirring up the commoners to bloody revolution.
@richardaberdeen Don't blame Humanism on human weakness. Look at the number of religious wars. Humanism/ Atheism has nothing to do with war and bloody revolution, it's a philosophy of life. The problem is human nature. Religion too is a philosophy of life but with one big difference: it preaches absolute certainty. As a result you have nutters running around shooting ppl or blowing them up on behalf of their God. Name me one mass murderer who shot people in the name of Atheism? None. Zero. NADA.
@sainter1 I didn't blame humanism for anything. I said that it is quite obvious humanism can't save us from our sins, or else there would have been no such violence as I noted emanating from a so-called "enlightened" age of humanists. Modern behaviorial science evidence absolutely agrees with Jesus and Paul, that war and other oppression is arises from within human beings. There is absolutely zero evidence that religion or humanism causes war; they are both "results" of a much deeper problem.
@slivovich I've been researching theology and philosophy for 35 years. Kurtz says Humanism is like religion in that it is a human-made concept. Religion is faith based dogma dependant on belief in an authority outside and beyond us. Humanism in essence is a non-dogmatic moral philosophy based on free thinking. One looks to a God, the other looks to humanity for solutions. Humanism is not a religion. Cheers.
@fatherdoom1973 And again a piece of shit person who dose not know what they are talking about, and does not know their history. You and people like you are what will lead us all into unparalleled destruction. It is this mod of thinking that will make those Nukes fly. People like you are the reason why we have so many problems in the world. Your stupidity, your utter blindness and your shear lack of knowledge is why we will never ever achieve the full potential of are species.
We do not worship MAN, we do not see MAN as infallible, we try to do the right thing even if a MAN tells us to do wrong. There is no god, MAN is no god.
"humanists...the biggest genocidal group in the history of mankind"
That's like saying human rights propononists are the biggest takers of human rights.
"secularism humanism has killed a billion"
Do you get your edumacation from the pope? Secular humanist doesn't address collectivism, political ideologies etc.
@fatherdoom1973 Humanists have killed. Christians have killed. Theists have killed. Atheists have killed. Humanists HAVE NOT killed in the name of humanism. Christian HAVE killed in the name of Christianity.
You see why humanism is not the same as your faith?
"Judge no man by the name he calls God, for in the end all the GODs are one for all true prayers remain the same.Love, Hope,Peace and Wisdom"
Religion is the old way to control people, maintain laws and history.( eg the flood-every religion has this story),but truth can be hidden from people and make them do horrid things using religion-its a double edge sword.
I'm a member of the BHA and I agree completely with you. I'm guessing you've probably got a lot of grief over this from theists, but people do support this message and I'm glad you've put it out there.
I'm a member of the BHA and I agree completely with you. I'm guessing you've probably got a lot of grief over this from theists, but people do support this message and I'm glad you've put it out there.
I think you are mistaken about the notion that one must either be a humanist or a dogmatist. I believe in God, but do not follow any particular religion. I believe God is seen in our own beauty, goodness and love. I am a humanist, in the sense that I believe in humanity and believe there is goodness within us. But, never will I cast aside the possibility of things I don't understand. There is too much despair and hatred to believe in God, but too much goodness and love to believe otherwise.
@DeathofBabylon Hi and thx for your comment. The video and the text in the vid description doesn't necessarily refer to all people who believe in God as dogmatists, I make the distinction between rational thinking and "fundamentalism" which to my mind is the epitomy of dogma. Cheers - Wayne :)
god hides our enemy and he hides our friends.but they see every thing he do and document our every move.when i was young i seen a demon or the devil it was a giant half snake half humaniod.this snake man is the god of humanists.enjoy having a snake in the place of jesus.
@robfunkeh We have a name for people like you, that see demons... psychologically impaired, schizophrenic. Do you hear voices too? Cuz you should have that checked out. They have medicine for that now.
It is really easy to solve. Start loving everyone. It is as simple as that. The only reason you have extremism, regardless of whether it is Islamic or Christian or Hindu or anything else is because people feel disenfranchised from acceptance. They are not accepted. Love, accept everyone and you will have no extremism. There is no room for extremism when everyone is appreciated, loved, and provided an opportunity, the same equal opportunity for love that everyone else is provided. -The Wonders
It is really easy to solve. Start loving everyone. It is as simple as that. The only reason you have extremism, regardless of whether it is Islamic or Christian or Hindu or anything else is because people feel disenfranchised from acceptance. They are not accepted. Love, accept everyone and you will have no extremism. There is no room for extremism when everyone is appreciated, loved, and provided an opportunity, the same equal opportunity for love that everyone else is provided. -The Wonders
Turn all the churches in the world into small science labs/observatories, put one educated scientist in each to teach their communities about the universe and educate the people on secular humanism and we'll have the world "fixed" in a couple of generations.
"Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system. I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance."
I can't see love, but I can feel it's effects. I can't see gravity but I feel it's effect every day.
I can't prove God but I feel his influence on my life and the world. Creation's complected organization and mathematically tolerances definitely shows how weak science's "random creation" theory is. Statistically, Earth, as it exists now, would be impossible.
Hence I don't have to see to believe I have FAITH. That's the difference between you and me
I can't see love, but I can feel it's effects. I can't see gravity but I feel it's effect every day.
I can't prove God but I feel his influence on my life and the world. Creation's complected organization and mathematically tolerances definitely shows how weak science's "random creation" theory is. Statistically, Earth, as it exists now, would be impossible.
Hence I don't have to see to believe I have FAITH. That's the difference between you and me
no matter how smart you sound when you put down God ... the truth is still the truth... 2 + 2 is always 4 no matter how much you try to prove it to be 5. the truth is, we, the creation, did not come from nothing ... hence there has to be a creator ... GOD.
Your arguement has a self terminating result. I think therefore I am, therefore I was created by a supernatural entity? Nice logic! We came from the elements of the universe! Where did your particular God come from? Face it you have no arguement for the existence of God, if you did we would not be talking.
I can't see love, but I can feel it's effects. I can't see gravity but I feel it's effect every day.
I can't prove God but I feel his influence on my life and the world. Creation's complected organization and mathematically tolerances definitely shows how weak science's "random creation" theory is. Statistically, Earth, as it exists now, would be impossible.
Hence I don't have to see to believe I have FAITH. That's the difference between you and me
What makes you think there was a"nothing" before "creation?" What if existence in some form or another has always been? Then what room is there for a creator? And of course, who created God? You cannot prove your God nor is the universe itself proof of a divine being. There is no evidence at all, yet you expect people to believe in what might be or could be instead of what is. God is a myth we created in place of unanswered questions. The more those wquestions are answered the more God recedes.
You're making assumptions about me, sainter: I don't believe in God - not at all. I never said there was a "nothing" before creation. I never mentioned a belief in creation. The bible is utter bollocks, as are the rest. You said: "You expect people to believe in...etc" No I don't! I don't expect anything from anyone. I dislike all religion and I despise humanists. But I fucking love pickles. And I hate twats that say "pwned".
I can't see love, but I can feel it's effects. I can't see gravity but I feel it's effect every day.
I can't prove God but I feel his influence on my life and the world. Creation's complected organization and mathematically tolerances definitely shows how weak science's "random creation" theory is. Statistically, Earth, as it exists now, would be impossible.
Hence I don't have to see to believe I have FAITH. That's the difference between you and me
I can't see love, but I can feel it's effects. I can't see gravity but I feel it's effect every day.
I can't prove God but I feel his influence on my life and the world. Creation's complected organization and mathematically tolerances definitely shows how weak science's "random creation" theory is. Statistically, Earth, as it exists now, would be impossible.
Hence I don't have to see to believe I have FAITH. That's the difference between you and me
The difference between you and me is you want to believe, I want to know. Faced with the eternally unprovable, I choose not to believe. What I think you feel to be God's presence is wish thinking. Faith takes over where reason ends. Much of the world's problems are caused by a lack of reason. I don't wish to add to it. Mind you, I don't care if people believe in a cosmic deity, what I take exception to is fundamentalists telling me and everyone else that they KNOW God's will from a book.
No, we can't feel God's influence on this world. No one can. What we feel is the concept of God, the doctrines and the teachings of men put forth by men which we have attributed to God.
If God truly existed and it physically influenced this world, then it would have been very easy for science to investigate God.
@FadeLLW I've had an awareness of God since high school and I'm now in by sixties, so I know for a fact that what you are saying is a lie. You can only speak for your own experience. If you want awareness of God, then you ask Jesus to help you understand what is true and to provide you with evidence or, if you want to believe in bullshit instead, then you follow Richard Dawkins or some other liar. But, don't tell me "we can't feel God's influence", all you can speak for is your own experience
and sorry but there's no such thing as "random creation" theory. The process of evolution and natural selection (which I assume is what you mean) is anything BUT random. It is a gradual systematic process where things that are better at surviving and replicating outlast and replicate more than those that are less capible. To claim that we came to be by random chance shows a complete lack of understanding of evolution.
Humanists unashamedly advance an ethical system geared towards ruthless maximisation of our own wants and needs from behind a smog cloud of self-congratulatory altruistic pretence. NON-SPECIESIST ATHEISM is the only truth.
Lord..I have to disagree with you. Your description sounds more suited to religious fundamentalists. Mind you, there's always an element of self satisfaction in nestling into a comfortable personal moral system, but humanism as a whole is geared toward a collective discovery of the true nature of human behaviour and the nature of things. I see nothing smug in that.
Humanism finds its moral direction in the wants, needs and desires of humans (greed). It supports the maximimisation of individual liberty and opportunity (Thatcherism). It is ANTI-CATHOLIC (ever seen the Anti-Pope poster on the Humanist Library wall in Second Life's Roma Garden?) Humanists are largely well-off people with no more than shares in BT and British Gas to worry about. What person in pain, in desperate need would turn to Humanism? There's no HOPE in it. It's for Bridge players.
Can you please elaborate on your claim, NON SPECIESIST ATHEISM is the only truth. PLease lookup the word first. Using fancy language in a mock intellectual manner only makes you look dumb!
Very well done, thought provoking presentation. For the most part I am in total agreement. There have been more atrocities over the years committed in the name of religion than any other causes. I don't understand how every religion believes theirs is the only 1 true way to "salvation". Organized religion is nothing but dogma written by man to control others with fear and intimidation and promising things they have no way of proving exist. Much better to think for yourself than follow blindly.
I agree totally, Celt. It amazes me how intelligent, well educated people can actually believe that women originally came from Adam's rib. That Noah collected two of every creature..including two of every germ AND polar bears I suppose. That Moses parted the Red sea. It is obvious legend/mythos. My guess is many of them don't believe but feel compelled to pretend they do. The belief in God is not on my radar re criticism because we don't know one way or the other but religion is man made. cont..
What religious fundamentalism is, IMO, is a way of avoiding the realities and cold hard responsibilities of life by replacing it with a convenient story that paints the world as black and white and gives everyone simplistic choices. In effect it dumbs us down by asking people to not understand the true nature of human beings and the world. Thx for your great comment, Celt. :)
There are more atrocities commited in the act of humanism/communism even if you do not count abortion. If you are controlled by fear in your religion than you definitely aren't following God. Having a relationship with God is a choice and no one can force this on you as the whole idea of it is to walk by faith and not knowledge. Its not blindly following, your just simplifying faith. Do you think religious people do not question themselves? And you cant prove anything, not even that you exist.
Thank you!! I had the same arguments in my debate class and there was still people arguing about what great things religion has done for the world. I said like what? "the crusades, genocide, executions, enslaving others, or Jihad?"
They couldnt reply.
For humanity to live and improve, religion must die.
Religion itself is a negative that holds back the positive of secular humanism. What good that comes from religion is the result of individuals, not the religion itself. Ultimately a religion is based on myth masquerading as truth. That alone can't be good for us. Religion will die eventually. Lets just hope we get it's replacement, Humanism, right lol. Thx for watching. :)
Greco-Buddhism, sometimes spelt Graeco-Buddhism, refers to the cultural syncretism between Hellenistic culture and Buddhism, which developed between the 4th century BCE and the 5th century CE
No the text isn't meant to imply humanists believe in spirits. On the contrary, the belief we have is in ourselves rather than spirits, saviours and a celestial being.
You may believe you have a spirit by the grace of God...and that's your right. I see no evidence or proof for such a belief.
Spiritual comfort is psychological. If you believe in something such as God it can give you solace. I don't get spiritual comfort because I don't believe in God. The spirit is a matter of belief, so saying a lie can be positive is unfounded. I never said God and faith is a lie I said I don't believe in it. That's very different.
exploiting the resources of other countries, robbing them I should say, declaring war on them if they don't like their government and promulgating the virtual worship of material wealth. A mcdoogles hamburger joint on every corner, everyone sitting in their living room in front of a big screen tv or latest computer courtesy of our wage slaves in asia. Simple minded bourgeois emptiness.
I agree with you totally. I'm not saying we should worship at the altar of the god homo sapien or wallow in materialism, only that we invest more faith in ourselves rather than an unknowable, unprovable "sugar daddy in the sky" who rewards and punishes in return for slavish devotion. I think it excuses us from responsibility and slows progress. Cheers, mate. :)
That sounds like an incredibly nebulous description of "good." So nebulous, in fact, that it's impossible to see how it can retain any meaning. As far as being good at heart being a necessity for survival, what I've seen is that those best at survival are those who are most adept at exploiting others.
At any rate, long term survival of our species will depend on whether we can avoid compromising the habitability of earth to too great an extent.
The point of this video is not an examination of "good" but an expose of, on the one hand religious fundamentalism hypocrisy, dogmatism, and it's antiquated moral value systems, and on the other, an alternative to religious faith and it's by-the-book zealotry in what cannot be substantiated, namely the God of the monotheistic religions. That alternative is humanism, which seeks to encourage faith not in an unknowable God and obvious scrirpture mythology but in human beings...cont
and our need to progress, free of the old bigotries and irrational fears ingrained by religion The essay in the desription box explains this more fully. The establishment of a something called "good" is not the issue. The only thing innate to human beings is the need for a moral code of conduct in order that the group survives. From this does good stem. Empathy, compassion, tolerance and so on are all manifestations of this tribal need to co-operate. We can do much better than we have... cont
As far as those most adept at exploiting others, i'd suggest to you that the majority of such people lose in the end. With all repsect you seem to have a rather negative view that perhaps doesn't take into account that the vast majority of what happens in our world is not exploitative but co-operative. Are you an exploiter or co-operator? How many of your immediate family for instance would you describe as exploiting others including yourself to their own benefit?
Okay, that's fine. Nothing wrong with progress, exposing hypocrisy, dogmatism, bigotries and irrational fears.
I'm pretty much by myself so I don't have any family members to exploit others and I certainly don't do it myself.
I'm not arguing in favor of religious fundamentalism-not even sure what that is, but in favor of people being free to worship and express ideas about religion/god whatever.
The one thing I'm sure we don't need is for the US to make the entire world over in its own image...
I think human beings have the capacity to leap beyond self interest and fear -the selfish gene as Professor Richard Dawkins put it. We empathize with one another, thus we have the ability to care for the group even to our own detriment. We can, have and will sustain a civilized order in the face of catastophe because the group's survival means our individual survival. Goodness in the moral sense flows from this. If this wasn't true, as I stated before we wouldn't have survived as a species.
All the ideas about god here come from people, many from the bible, specifically. If there really were a god how would we know about him? BTW, humanism sounds like a good idea... if there weren't so many bastards among the human population. The general consensus seemingly put forth here--that humans are basically good, caring, etc. beings certainly doesn't jibe with my experience of people. Where are all these good humans hiding? Under the proverbial bushel?
We can't know of God because A/ he's unknowable and B/ in my opinion there is no God. Doesn't stop ppl speculating on the subject. It's probably the biggest question there is, one that won't be answered. But that's not central to this video. My concern is religious fundamentalism and the danger it represents. As for ppl being good, i'd suggest that the majority of ppl are good and a small minority not. All we hear about in the media is the negative. If this wasn't so we'd be exinct by now..
I don't think human survival has anything to do with goodness--more with self interest and fear. If people were inherently good I doubt we'd have had WWs I and II and the countless other wars past and present.
Let's wait and see how people behave when resources start to really run out and the crises begin. That will be the real test of your hypothesis about human goodness.
If you examine my reply I stated my experience of people, not what I've seen in any media.
WWI and II were examples of good and evil. There's a balance that needs to be observed. When evil is upon us, good ultimately triumphs. This is another example of the need for the group to co-operate in order to survive. Goodness is not inherant it is a moral by-product of the survival instinct. For so long as we survive as a species this peculiar moral by-product will be in operation. Everything that we deem to be good comes from it. It doesn't require a god, it's just part of us, imo.
If "goodness" is merely a by-product of human action then how can humans be said to be good or moral in any significant sense? That just doesn't seem to make sense to me. If it's just a by-product, as you put it, how can it be a part of us? Do you see what I'm saying?
I know what you're saying. IMO, goodness is not a force unto itself but a manifestation of the human condition. It becomes something out of necessity The good in the world exists because we have learned that the contrary is ultimately destructive. But it makes no difference where it comes from, ultimately, human beings are good at heart because we must be or we don't survive. We may not be innately good but that doesn't matter.
Satan will be so proud of he's little Intelletual helper friends the Huminists,who are helping to destroy the christian religion.And make way for the Anti-Christ 666.
timmye00 2 months ago
@timmye00 Mate, get real, Satan...the Devil, whatever you want to call him is a story, a myth made up thousands of years ago by people who new nothing about how the world works to try to explain why people do bad things. Be rational about this.
sainter1 2 months ago
@sainter1 I cant wait to say i told you so.
timmye00 2 months ago
@timmye00 I don't think that's going to happen somehow but if you want to believe it, go ahead.
sainter1 2 months ago
The AntiChristian religion of Humanism, where everyone thinks they are little tin gods. What a load of Godless lawless sons of Belial.
timmye00 2 months ago
@timmye00 Errr no, it's not anti-Christian, it's pro humanity. Try thinking about it a little more deeply and not just reacting off the top of your head.
sainter1 2 months ago
This video is just another story of a generation who has no parent. A generation of entitlement, who sees a box of cookies and kicks and screams until he/she gets every one whether they are good or bad for them. How long until we wake up and realize that we are leaving our family values behind by being so self centered?
LeagueOfDorf 2 months ago
@LeagueOfDorf Upholding family values doesn't mean we have to live in the dark of ancient superstition. You say we are becoming self-centered? There is nothing selfish about humanism, on the contrary, it's about caring for one another. I would say that using a blood sacrifice of an imaginary god to absolve personal sins, pray for rewards, favours...oh, and a ticket to paradise, and happily imagine that one is special in the eyes of their lord is rather self-centered, wouldn't you?
sainter1 2 months ago
@sainter1 I see that you are well versed in the art of Christian stereotypes. However, Christianity is not about Christians, but rather about God. We live to bring glory to God. Happiness is only a by-product of this. Therefore, the focus is not on ourselves, but on God. The only thing that make us different from non-believers is that Christians are saved through grace (therefore we are free to serve God rather than ourselves). Christians have nothing to boast about.
LeagueOfDorf 2 months ago
@LeagueOfDorf Not a stereotype, it comes from observation and experience. Your description of Christianity is admirable but idealistic and not the reality. Many devout "by the book" Christians convert out of either desperation or an empty life, looking for something to give it meaning. This action is in itself, self centered. It is no coincidence that most fundamentalist Christians politically favour individualism over the collective good.
sainter1 2 months ago
@sainter1 Humanism means that people are in charge of what happens, correct? If so, then that means that humanity can take pride in what they accomplish, if what they do is good. This makes the focus on the self and what the self has done, thus, being self-centered in actions and thoughts.
LeagueOfDorf 2 months ago
@LeagueOfDorf Humanism's aim is to promote a secular path to a moral world primarily for the good of the collective. It doesn't disregard individual freedoms but the good of the many outweighs all else. This in fact is what Jesus of Nazareth taught: love for one another; compassion and forgiveness as community values. Unfortunately this has been lost on many Christians who think Jesus' value is in the forgiveness of their sins. They turned a great thinker into the son of god. He was just a man
sainter1 2 months ago
@sainter1 You are entitled to your perspective However, I must say one thing. Humanism is dissolving the family in pursuit of its own freedoms. As much as I love promoting hospitality and health, there isa darker side to humanism. There comes a point when we see the freedoms of others as our own. Some examples of this include abortion, the further dissolving and dysfunction of the family and other "freedoms" that attempt to take away the responsibility from ourselves. These actions are perpetual
LeagueOfDorf 2 months ago
This is a very entertaining and intelligent video!
lt's obvious that you spent alot of time to create this, and to research your resources!
LSD25ALICE 3 months ago
@LSD25ALICE Hi, Alice. I'm sorry to take so long answering your comment. Yes it did take me alot of time researching and making this vid. I already had set ideas on what I wanted to say and how it would look. Much of the time thereafter was spent creating the images and writing the music (following the Stones track). It was worth it though. It's a statement, and an important one I feel, especially given the way things are today. Thx so much for featuring it on your channel - Wayne :)
sainter1 3 months ago
You're taking the important quotations out of context. Humanist ideas are not atheistic, it is an expression of the faith you can have in other human beings to act with considerate moral character to other lifeforms on the planet. That belief and spirituality have nothing whatever to do with one another.
Nerfi 4 months ago
@Nerfi Thanks for your comment. Good point but I beg to differ. I aimed to show that religious dogma retards progress, morally and culturally, and that humanism, divorced from religion can stand alone as a moral philosophy - you'll find this explained fully in the description text and video text. I'm not asserting that humanism belongs to atheism, only that we don't need religion to be moral. The quotations I used are there to reinforce my and many others' atheist position.
sainter1 4 months ago
i hope someday when time comes all human will realize that there is no god..
watatapota 4 months ago
DEFINITION: Humanist; among the most naive and superstitious of all humans, who believe that science and education will save us from our sins, in spite of the historical evidence after a so-called "age of enlightenment", there arose global imperialism and slavery, the American, French, Russian, Chinese and scores of other violent bloody revolutions, WWI, WWII, Vietnam and continuing, global mass pollution and a looming WWIII, perhaps the real "war to end all wars", who can say for sure"?
richardaberdeen 6 months ago
@richardaberdeen Your saviour, Jesus of Nazareth, was perhaps the very first radical humanist, preaching equality, non-violence & compassion for others. If you deride humanism you deride Jesus. How hypocritical you fundamentalists are! You call yourselves Christians yet you are pro guns, pro military, pro death penalty and eye for an eye right wing, the complete opposite of what Jesus taught. If Jesus was alive today he'd be one of those "bleeding heart" Liberals you hate so much. Think about it
sainter1 6 months ago 5
There is no evidence that the universe magically exists all by itself, without any intelligence behind it. There is however, overwhelming evidence that modern science is filled with ignorant liars who wouldn't know what evidence is if it jumped up and bit them on the ass.
richardaberdeen 6 months ago
@richardaberdeen Richard, "the Universe magically existing all by itself" and yet you expect people to believe that an invisible being magically create it out of nothing? Try putting aside your narrow view for a moment, scientists aren't liars, they work through a process of investigation to arrive at empirically provable facts. Some theories are overturned as we learn more, but calling them "liars" is absurd and very ignorant. You need to break out of your bubble.
sainter1 6 months ago
One day soon,everything that has been invented,developed and written by the hand of men,its going to be flushed down the toilet.Only one thing will remain eternal.The son of God.
TOLTECAAZTECA 6 months ago
@TOLTECAAZTECA I don't believe you truly believe in what you've said in your comment. More likely it's wish thinking on your part. There's an odd, rather selfish, death wish in the back of religious people's minds. They can't wait to see the end of the world so that they can be in heaven. They don't care what happens to others or to the world, just as long as THEY are in paradise. Fortunately it's not going to happen. Sorry to disappoint you. Thx for your comment.
sainter1 6 months ago
@sainter1 Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah!!!
TOLTECAAZTECA 6 months ago
I invite you all to the visiting world of Harry Potter. If you are all good enough, you may be allowed entery. All you need is to believe and have faith in the existence of witch craft and wizardry. Remember, religion never requires proof or scientific evidence, just faith. :)
khashya786786 6 months ago
@khashya786786 Yeah, witch craft, magically appearing universes, self-design, the religion of "humanism" will save us, in spite of the overwhelming evidence of WWI, WII, global mass pollution, WMDs and a looming WWIII, emanating out of a so-called "age of reason". You're correct, atheism = Harry Potter, only far less plausible. Atheists are the most superstitious of all known human beings, by far...
richardaberdeen 6 months ago
@richardaberdeen ..What do you mean atheism= Harry Potter. It seems as if you had failed to understand my point. Atheism= the disbelief of supernatural, unlogical, unscientific ideas. This does not equal Harry Potter because as absurd as my "Harry Potter religion" is, I will continue to put all my faith into it. Simply because I believe ! :)
khashya786786 6 months ago
@khashya786786 Atheism is the most superstitious of all know human positions, thus you are correct, atheism does not equal Harry Potter. Harry Potter is far more likely true than what atheism pretends.
richardaberdeen 6 months ago
@richardaberdeen ...hhmm, okay..I refuse to feed this troll any further :)..i hope to see you at hogwarts
khashya786786 6 months ago
your description is flawless.. thank you so much for it.. very balanced and fair.. i have to share it with others... credit u of course :)
sevenPlums 7 months ago
@sevenPlums Thx very much. I'm glad you like it. Cheers, mate! :)
sainter1 7 months ago
You managed to make me come back after some time and share it with friends. Good job... :)
SystemLordZeus 9 months ago
@SystemLordZeus Thx very much, i'm glad you and your friends enjoyed it. - Wayne :)
sainter1 9 months ago
God is able and willing to end evil; but if He does, it would be the end of free will. I'd rather have suffering, with free will. Cheers.
RabinoBoricuaVirtual 10 months ago
ženy prý narozdíl od mužů umí dělat více věcí najednou. například poslouchat a přitom si číst a ještě i dýchat vzduch kolem a tím samovolně čichat. :)))))
katerinahejdova 11 months ago
thanx 4 the vid! You got great quotes.
I'm a christian, btw.
MusicOfTheSystem 1 year ago
@MusicOfTheSystem You're welcome, thx for watching. :)
sainter1 1 year ago
1:27 is a very good point. I have thought of it myself. I have my own theories, but I need to figure out one of the 4 questions put forth.
candygir7 1 year ago
@candygir7 Hi. :) It's a powerful argument put forward by Epicurus, that's for sure. Which of the 4 questions are you looking to figure out? - Wayne
sainter1 1 year ago
@sainter1 I forgot what he said now. all I know is there is no such thing as humanism without spirituality. only the outrageously evil and insane criminals running governments & religious institutions as Satanists would come up with reasoning to get people to accept secular humanism; a human being is not just a physical body. the spirit & souls is part of a human. to claim to study or follow humanistic ideas without the spirit is upbelievable, & to believe it is equaly unbelievable.
candygir7 1 year ago
God does not excist why cant you people open your eyes and start living your life I MEAN COMON YOU BRAINWASHED MORONS
MegaGDFAN 1 year ago
fuck athiests!
animefareast 1 year ago
this is utter crap humanism is a religion as all leftist idealogies are and that man is god and its the biggest genocidal group in the history of mankind-are humanists are the bane of humanity- the killers of all things beautiful
humanists are flat out scum -
secularism humanism has killed a billion people under the umbrella of where man believes he is god-
all humanists are filthy none humans people say christians kill-500 thousand humanists a billion in the last 70 years humanists=evil
fatherdoom1973 1 year ago
@fatherdoom1973 Humanism is a philosophy, not a religion. It's a way of thinking that allows for uncertainty. Religion preaches absolute certainty - a serious mistake as you can see from what's happening in the world today. No nations or political ideology has killed in the name of humanism. I suggest you think about things a little deeper.
sainter1 1 year ago 12
@sainter1 why did the founder of humanism call it a religion-
why does the us supreme court concider it a religion?
you dont even know your history of humanism
hahahahaimsofunny 1 year ago
@sainter1
I am inclinded to disagree with you on this. Humanism is just another religion, without a god. Humanists like Julian Huxley writing the Purpose and Philosophy of UNESCO admit this. Humanists claim to be for tolerance, but yet invented the term "zero tolerance" for those who don't espouse humanist values such as homosexuality being on the moral par with heterosexuality. Humanism defines itself often basically as the enemy of religion and is therefore intolerant itself.
Hallonsylt 1 year ago
@Hallonsylt It's true, Humanism like anything can have intolerant adherants, but that's not the fault of Humanism, it's the problem of individuals who lack balance and common sense. But I don't agree that Humanism is a religion. Humanism is a broad array of secular moral principles that move with the progress of time, ever changing and reevaluating. Religious morality is dogma set in stone by the so called moral authority of a deity or religious scripture. Thx for your comment.
sainter1 1 year ago
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Hallonsylt 1 year ago
@sainter1 So, you don't have any evidence that the "goodness of man", which the humanist Thomas Paine referred to, will actually save us any better than the "goodness of man" did in ancient Babylon and Egypt, so now instead of providing evidence, you're going to lecture me on the meaning of humanism, as if I haven't actually studied humanist philosophy, which I have.
richardaberdeen 6 months ago
@richardaberdeen The evidence of the good of humanism is in juxtaposing it with the folly of blind faith and the hatred that comes from it. Your aggression and intolerance on this thread is an example. When people start being more humble, less dogmatic, less convinced they have a direct line to a mythical God, then maybe Humanism will have a better chance. Thankfully in the 21st century there are now less of you and more of us.
sainter1 6 months ago
@sainter1 As for example, some of the "great humanist thinkers" engaging in bloody revolutions over petty material things like 3% taxation, for example (American Revolution), petty disagreements between various kings, nobles and wealthy merchants (French Revolution), disagreements over differences in wealth distribution (Communist Revolution), etc. Yeah, there's some real good moral examples, for you, wealthy American, French and other aristocrats stirring up the commoners to bloody revolution.
richardaberdeen 6 months ago
@richardaberdeen Don't blame Humanism on human weakness. Look at the number of religious wars. Humanism/ Atheism has nothing to do with war and bloody revolution, it's a philosophy of life. The problem is human nature. Religion too is a philosophy of life but with one big difference: it preaches absolute certainty. As a result you have nutters running around shooting ppl or blowing them up on behalf of their God. Name me one mass murderer who shot people in the name of Atheism? None. Zero. NADA.
sainter1 6 months ago
@sainter1 I didn't blame humanism for anything. I said that it is quite obvious humanism can't save us from our sins, or else there would have been no such violence as I noted emanating from a so-called "enlightened" age of humanists. Modern behaviorial science evidence absolutely agrees with Jesus and Paul, that war and other oppression is arises from within human beings. There is absolutely zero evidence that religion or humanism causes war; they are both "results" of a much deeper problem.
richardaberdeen 6 months ago
@sainter1 Not a religion? Do you only surf youtube or actually read Manifesto I and II? Paul Curtz say's different...
slivovich 4 months ago
@slivovich I've been researching theology and philosophy for 35 years. Kurtz says Humanism is like religion in that it is a human-made concept. Religion is faith based dogma dependant on belief in an authority outside and beyond us. Humanism in essence is a non-dogmatic moral philosophy based on free thinking. One looks to a God, the other looks to humanity for solutions. Humanism is not a religion. Cheers.
sainter1 4 months ago
@fatherdoom1973 And again a piece of shit person who dose not know what they are talking about, and does not know their history. You and people like you are what will lead us all into unparalleled destruction. It is this mod of thinking that will make those Nukes fly. People like you are the reason why we have so many problems in the world. Your stupidity, your utter blindness and your shear lack of knowledge is why we will never ever achieve the full potential of are species.
Shawn21769 1 year ago
@fatherdoom1973
"man is god"
We do not worship MAN, we do not see MAN as infallible, we try to do the right thing even if a MAN tells us to do wrong. There is no god, MAN is no god.
"humanists...the biggest genocidal group in the history of mankind"
That's like saying human rights propononists are the biggest takers of human rights.
"secularism humanism has killed a billion"
Do you get your edumacation from the pope? Secular humanist doesn't address collectivism, political ideologies etc.
TurboDally 1 year ago
@fatherdoom1973 Humanists have killed. Christians have killed. Theists have killed. Atheists have killed. Humanists HAVE NOT killed in the name of humanism. Christian HAVE killed in the name of Christianity.
You see why humanism is not the same as your faith?
3csimon 1 year ago
For one man's explanation of why he is a humanist please watch 'Its up to us" humanism by Mary Fletcher.
maryfletcher4 1 year ago
"Judge no man by the name he calls God, for in the end all the GODs are one for all true prayers remain the same.Love, Hope,Peace and Wisdom"
Religion is the old way to control people, maintain laws and history.( eg the flood-every religion has this story),but truth can be hidden from people and make them do horrid things using religion-its a double edge sword.
MsSambo73 1 year ago
too fast to read
falnir1 1 year ago
@falnir1 Yes I realize that now. Too many quotes in the 10 minutes allowed. You can always pause and read, though. Thx for watching.
sainter1 1 year ago
Thanks for the video!
sherrimule 1 year ago
@sherrimule You're welcome. :)
sainter1 1 year ago
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Amazing, Did you put this together yourself?
I'm a member of the BHA and I agree completely with you. I'm guessing you've probably got a lot of grief over this from theists, but people do support this message and I'm glad you've put it out there.
tophatway2fat 1 year ago
Amazing, Did you put this together yourself?
I'm a member of the BHA and I agree completely with you. I'm guessing you've probably got a lot of grief over this from theists, but people do support this message and I'm glad you've put it out there.
tophatway2fat 1 year ago
I think you are mistaken about the notion that one must either be a humanist or a dogmatist. I believe in God, but do not follow any particular religion. I believe God is seen in our own beauty, goodness and love. I am a humanist, in the sense that I believe in humanity and believe there is goodness within us. But, never will I cast aside the possibility of things I don't understand. There is too much despair and hatred to believe in God, but too much goodness and love to believe otherwise.
DeathofBabylon 1 year ago
@DeathofBabylon Hi and thx for your comment. The video and the text in the vid description doesn't necessarily refer to all people who believe in God as dogmatists, I make the distinction between rational thinking and "fundamentalism" which to my mind is the epitomy of dogma. Cheers - Wayne :)
sainter1 1 year ago
@DeathofBabylon it was a pleasure reading your comment.
IAMthehighway1978 1 year ago
god hides our enemy and he hides our friends.but they see every thing he do and document our every move.when i was young i seen a demon or the devil it was a giant half snake half humaniod.this snake man is the god of humanists.enjoy having a snake in the place of jesus.
robfunkeh 1 year ago
@robfunkeh Right...yup.
sainter1 1 year ago
@robfunkeh We have a name for people like you, that see demons... psychologically impaired, schizophrenic. Do you hear voices too? Cuz you should have that checked out. They have medicine for that now.
sherrimule 1 year ago
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It is really easy to solve. Start loving everyone. It is as simple as that. The only reason you have extremism, regardless of whether it is Islamic or Christian or Hindu or anything else is because people feel disenfranchised from acceptance. They are not accepted. Love, accept everyone and you will have no extremism. There is no room for extremism when everyone is appreciated, loved, and provided an opportunity, the same equal opportunity for love that everyone else is provided. -The Wonders
ChooseFreelyTV 1 year ago
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It is really easy to solve. Start loving everyone. It is as simple as that. The only reason you have extremism, regardless of whether it is Islamic or Christian or Hindu or anything else is because people feel disenfranchised from acceptance. They are not accepted. Love, accept everyone and you will have no extremism. There is no room for extremism when everyone is appreciated, loved, and provided an opportunity, the same equal opportunity for love that everyone else is provided. -The Wonders
ChooseFreelyTV 1 year ago
The fundamentalism picture is not the most thoughtful one. Or is ist the only fundamentalism that came up to you? Stigmatize it!
greenwoodonearth 1 year ago
Way too fast. Can't really read it...
greenwoodonearth 1 year ago
@greenwoodonearth I know, I must too many quotes in. Sorry about that.
sainter1 1 year ago
@sainter1
Make two, three, four of it...and search for criterias to put them in different parts...for expample...the enlightenment or something...
greenwoodonearth 1 year ago
Turn all the churches in the world into small science labs/observatories, put one educated scientist in each to teach their communities about the universe and educate the people on secular humanism and we'll have the world "fixed" in a couple of generations.
Brencs 1 year ago
Thank you for this. Validation for my common.
joeswheat 1 year ago
that is a great video thank u for sharing it
basssalt 1 year ago
@basssalt You're welcome, i'm glad you like it. :)
sainter1 1 year ago
Thank you for this. Validation for my common.
joeswheat 1 year ago
@joeswheat You're more than welcome my friend!
sainter1 1 year ago
@basssalt You're more than welcome my friend!
sainter1 1 year ago
thank u sainter1. this made more sense than any church, bible basher, school has tried to drill into my brain.
TheSnotrag2009 1 year ago
Great video. Especially loved the commentary at the end. So true! :)
MaggieLovesJimmy 1 year ago
Thx very much, i'm glad you agree with it. :)
sainter1 1 year ago
Very well done. Nice vide0
kapretikba442 1 year ago
Thx, mate, i'm glad you enjoyed it. :)
sainter1 1 year ago
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"Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system. I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance."
Isaac Newton
valu777 2 years ago
Very well done sure. Great vid.
mb0185646 2 years ago
Thanks very much. :)
sainter1 2 years ago
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I can't see love, but I can feel it's effects. I can't see gravity but I feel it's effect every day.
I can't prove God but I feel his influence on my life and the world. Creation's complected organization and mathematically tolerances definitely shows how weak science's "random creation" theory is. Statistically, Earth, as it exists now, would be impossible.
Hence I don't have to see to believe I have FAITH. That's the difference between you and me
zykkfyw 2 years ago
LordInksworth Got pwned!
InScienceITrust 2 years ago
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I can't see love, but I can feel it's effects. I can't see gravity but I feel it's effect every day.
I can't prove God but I feel his influence on my life and the world. Creation's complected organization and mathematically tolerances definitely shows how weak science's "random creation" theory is. Statistically, Earth, as it exists now, would be impossible.
Hence I don't have to see to believe I have FAITH. That's the difference between you and me
zykkfyw 2 years ago
no matter how smart you sound when you put down God ... the truth is still the truth... 2 + 2 is always 4 no matter how much you try to prove it to be 5. the truth is, we, the creation, did not come from nothing ... hence there has to be a creator ... GOD.
zykkfyw 2 years ago
Your arguement has a self terminating result. I think therefore I am, therefore I was created by a supernatural entity? Nice logic! We came from the elements of the universe! Where did your particular God come from? Face it you have no arguement for the existence of God, if you did we would not be talking.
InScienceITrust 2 years ago
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I can't see love, but I can feel it's effects. I can't see gravity but I feel it's effect every day.
I can't prove God but I feel his influence on my life and the world. Creation's complected organization and mathematically tolerances definitely shows how weak science's "random creation" theory is. Statistically, Earth, as it exists now, would be impossible.
Hence I don't have to see to believe I have FAITH. That's the difference between you and me
zykkfyw 2 years ago
What makes you think there was a"nothing" before "creation?" What if existence in some form or another has always been? Then what room is there for a creator? And of course, who created God? You cannot prove your God nor is the universe itself proof of a divine being. There is no evidence at all, yet you expect people to believe in what might be or could be instead of what is. God is a myth we created in place of unanswered questions. The more those wquestions are answered the more God recedes.
sainter1 2 years ago
You're making assumptions about me, sainter: I don't believe in God - not at all. I never said there was a "nothing" before creation. I never mentioned a belief in creation. The bible is utter bollocks, as are the rest. You said: "You expect people to believe in...etc" No I don't! I don't expect anything from anyone. I dislike all religion and I despise humanists. But I fucking love pickles. And I hate twats that say "pwned".
LordInksworth 2 years ago
That comment is addressed to zykkfyw , not you. I know you're an atheist.
sainter1 2 years ago
Oh right ok. May Almighty God forgive me. Oops.
LordInksworth 2 years ago
I can't see love, but I can feel it's effects. I can't see gravity but I feel it's effect every day.
I can't prove God but I feel his influence on my life and the world. Creation's complected organization and mathematically tolerances definitely shows how weak science's "random creation" theory is. Statistically, Earth, as it exists now, would be impossible.
Hence I don't have to see to believe I have FAITH. That's the difference between you and me
zykkfyw 2 years ago
I can't see love, but I can feel it's effects. I can't see gravity but I feel it's effect every day.
I can't prove God but I feel his influence on my life and the world. Creation's complected organization and mathematically tolerances definitely shows how weak science's "random creation" theory is. Statistically, Earth, as it exists now, would be impossible.
Hence I don't have to see to believe I have FAITH. That's the difference between you and me
zykkfyw 2 years ago
That may not be the only difference.
LordInksworth 2 years ago
@zykkfyw. Or it could just be...Gravity...?
udoUpo 2 years ago
science's "random creation"
fail
I don't have to see to believe I have FAITH. That's the difference between you and me
indeed it is, but as i don't believe in god it would be ridiculous for me to put my faith in him.
gguilford72 2 years ago
The difference between you and me is you want to believe, I want to know. Faced with the eternally unprovable, I choose not to believe. What I think you feel to be God's presence is wish thinking. Faith takes over where reason ends. Much of the world's problems are caused by a lack of reason. I don't wish to add to it. Mind you, I don't care if people believe in a cosmic deity, what I take exception to is fundamentalists telling me and everyone else that they KNOW God's will from a book.
sainter1 2 years ago
@zykkfyw
No, we can't feel God's influence on this world. No one can. What we feel is the concept of God, the doctrines and the teachings of men put forth by men which we have attributed to God.
If God truly existed and it physically influenced this world, then it would have been very easy for science to investigate God.
FadeLLW 2 years ago 8
@FadeLLW I've had an awareness of God since high school and I'm now in by sixties, so I know for a fact that what you are saying is a lie. You can only speak for your own experience. If you want awareness of God, then you ask Jesus to help you understand what is true and to provide you with evidence or, if you want to believe in bullshit instead, then you follow Richard Dawkins or some other liar. But, don't tell me "we can't feel God's influence", all you can speak for is your own experience
richardaberdeen 6 months ago
@zykkfyw
and sorry but there's no such thing as "random creation" theory. The process of evolution and natural selection (which I assume is what you mean) is anything BUT random. It is a gradual systematic process where things that are better at surviving and replicating outlast and replicate more than those that are less capible. To claim that we came to be by random chance shows a complete lack of understanding of evolution.
FadeLLW 2 years ago 2
More...unmitigated Codswallop...Sigh...
udoUpo 2 years ago
Godswallup, surely?
LordInksworth 2 years ago
@LordInksworth Touché!...Godswallup...godswallup...Fantastisch!
udoUpo 2 years ago
Unmitigated Codswallop!
udoUpo 2 years ago
Humanists unashamedly advance an ethical system geared towards ruthless maximisation of our own wants and needs from behind a smog cloud of self-congratulatory altruistic pretence. NON-SPECIESIST ATHEISM is the only truth.
LordInksworth 2 years ago
Lord..I have to disagree with you. Your description sounds more suited to religious fundamentalists. Mind you, there's always an element of self satisfaction in nestling into a comfortable personal moral system, but humanism as a whole is geared toward a collective discovery of the true nature of human behaviour and the nature of things. I see nothing smug in that.
sainter1 2 years ago
Humanism finds its moral direction in the wants, needs and desires of humans (greed). It supports the maximimisation of individual liberty and opportunity (Thatcherism). It is ANTI-CATHOLIC (ever seen the Anti-Pope poster on the Humanist Library wall in Second Life's Roma Garden?) Humanists are largely well-off people with no more than shares in BT and British Gas to worry about. What person in pain, in desperate need would turn to Humanism? There's no HOPE in it. It's for Bridge players.
LordInksworth 2 years ago
Can you please elaborate on your claim, NON SPECIESIST ATHEISM is the only truth. PLease lookup the word first. Using fancy language in a mock intellectual manner only makes you look dumb!
InScienceITrust 2 years ago
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LordInksworth 2 years ago
That's the reply I was expecting! LOL! Your true intellect shining through!
InScienceITrust 2 years ago
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LordInksworth 2 years ago
I gave up my imaginary friends some years ago. Free thinking is far better.
udoUpo 2 years ago
I'm with you there, my friend. Thx for your comment. :)
sainter1 2 years ago
Profundity and speed-reading don't mix.
MartinJWillett 2 years ago
Yes I put too many quotes in. You can always stop and read one's that catch your eye.
sainter1 2 years ago
Very well done, thought provoking presentation. For the most part I am in total agreement. There have been more atrocities over the years committed in the name of religion than any other causes. I don't understand how every religion believes theirs is the only 1 true way to "salvation". Organized religion is nothing but dogma written by man to control others with fear and intimidation and promising things they have no way of proving exist. Much better to think for yourself than follow blindly.
CeltCraic 2 years ago
I agree totally, Celt. It amazes me how intelligent, well educated people can actually believe that women originally came from Adam's rib. That Noah collected two of every creature..including two of every germ AND polar bears I suppose. That Moses parted the Red sea. It is obvious legend/mythos. My guess is many of them don't believe but feel compelled to pretend they do. The belief in God is not on my radar re criticism because we don't know one way or the other but religion is man made. cont..
sainter1 2 years ago
What religious fundamentalism is, IMO, is a way of avoiding the realities and cold hard responsibilities of life by replacing it with a convenient story that paints the world as black and white and gives everyone simplistic choices. In effect it dumbs us down by asking people to not understand the true nature of human beings and the world. Thx for your great comment, Celt. :)
sainter1 2 years ago
There are more atrocities commited in the act of humanism/communism even if you do not count abortion. If you are controlled by fear in your religion than you definitely aren't following God. Having a relationship with God is a choice and no one can force this on you as the whole idea of it is to walk by faith and not knowledge. Its not blindly following, your just simplifying faith. Do you think religious people do not question themselves? And you cant prove anything, not even that you exist.
ploppytheman 2 years ago
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CeltCraic 2 years ago
very good
loved it
its time to move on
from the idea of god or gods.
KILLPROJECT 2 years ago
Totally agree. We won't advance as a species if we continue to live in the past.
sainter1 2 years ago
Thank you!! I had the same arguments in my debate class and there was still people arguing about what great things religion has done for the world. I said like what? "the crusades, genocide, executions, enslaving others, or Jihad?"
They couldnt reply.
For humanity to live and improve, religion must die.
Tr3v3336 2 years ago
Religion itself is a negative that holds back the positive of secular humanism. What good that comes from religion is the result of individuals, not the religion itself. Ultimately a religion is based on myth masquerading as truth. That alone can't be good for us. Religion will die eventually. Lets just hope we get it's replacement, Humanism, right lol. Thx for watching. :)
sainter1 2 years ago
Greco-Buddhism, sometimes spelt Graeco-Buddhism, refers to the cultural syncretism between Hellenistic culture and Buddhism, which developed between the 4th century BCE and the 5th century CE
qaplatlhinganmaH 2 years ago
Hmmmmm ... nice one! Thanks for sharing!
irendelle 2 years ago
ThankYOU for watching..and featuring it on your channel. Much appreciated. :) - Wayne
sainter1 2 years ago
Oh, this is good!
internationalroaming 2 years ago
You like? Glad you enjoyed it. :)
sainter1 2 years ago
Yeah, i've watched it before, but i watched it again. Yeah, i liked it.
internationalroaming 2 years ago
fantastic video, thanks for uploading
JessyIdol017 2 years ago
Thankyou for watching and commenting. :)
sainter1 2 years ago
this video needs to be slowed down.
turnersean 2 years ago
Yes I know, I crammed too many quotes in. You can always stop it, read then continue on. :)
sainter1 2 years ago
sorry i didnt mean to sound like a whiner, thanks for the video :)
turnersean 2 years ago
excellent video - it should be shown - many times - and studied slowly in all classes of the world, well, when will that be ....
peterbelelius 2 years ago
How can man have a spirit without God?
numberonesurvivor75 2 years ago
Have a spirit? What makes you think we have a spirit?
sainter1 2 years ago
Two separate questions. The text on the side implies that humanists believe in spirits. I believe I have a spirit because of God's grace.
numberonesurvivor75 2 years ago
No the text isn't meant to imply humanists believe in spirits. On the contrary, the belief we have is in ourselves rather than spirits, saviours and a celestial being.
You may believe you have a spirit by the grace of God...and that's your right. I see no evidence or proof for such a belief.
sainter1 2 years ago
So you think "spiritual comfort" is a positive yet don't believe in it. That is, you imply that a lie can be positive.
numberonesurvivor75 2 years ago
Spiritual comfort is psychological. If you believe in something such as God it can give you solace. I don't get spiritual comfort because I don't believe in God. The spirit is a matter of belief, so saying a lie can be positive is unfounded. I never said God and faith is a lie I said I don't believe in it. That's very different.
sainter1 2 years ago
How can a banana have a spirit without Thor?
koldtoft 2 years ago
Do you believe a banana has a spirit?
numberonesurvivor75 2 years ago
cont}
exploiting the resources of other countries, robbing them I should say, declaring war on them if they don't like their government and promulgating the virtual worship of material wealth. A mcdoogles hamburger joint on every corner, everyone sitting in their living room in front of a big screen tv or latest computer courtesy of our wage slaves in asia. Simple minded bourgeois emptiness.
omocorp 2 years ago
I agree with you totally. I'm not saying we should worship at the altar of the god homo sapien or wallow in materialism, only that we invest more faith in ourselves rather than an unknowable, unprovable "sugar daddy in the sky" who rewards and punishes in return for slavish devotion. I think it excuses us from responsibility and slows progress. Cheers, mate. :)
sainter1 2 years ago
That sounds like an incredibly nebulous description of "good." So nebulous, in fact, that it's impossible to see how it can retain any meaning. As far as being good at heart being a necessity for survival, what I've seen is that those best at survival are those who are most adept at exploiting others.
At any rate, long term survival of our species will depend on whether we can avoid compromising the habitability of earth to too great an extent.
omocorp 2 years ago
The point of this video is not an examination of "good" but an expose of, on the one hand religious fundamentalism hypocrisy, dogmatism, and it's antiquated moral value systems, and on the other, an alternative to religious faith and it's by-the-book zealotry in what cannot be substantiated, namely the God of the monotheistic religions. That alternative is humanism, which seeks to encourage faith not in an unknowable God and obvious scrirpture mythology but in human beings...cont
sainter1 2 years ago
and our need to progress, free of the old bigotries and irrational fears ingrained by religion The essay in the desription box explains this more fully. The establishment of a something called "good" is not the issue. The only thing innate to human beings is the need for a moral code of conduct in order that the group survives. From this does good stem. Empathy, compassion, tolerance and so on are all manifestations of this tribal need to co-operate. We can do much better than we have... cont
sainter1 2 years ago
As far as those most adept at exploiting others, i'd suggest to you that the majority of such people lose in the end. With all repsect you seem to have a rather negative view that perhaps doesn't take into account that the vast majority of what happens in our world is not exploitative but co-operative. Are you an exploiter or co-operator? How many of your immediate family for instance would you describe as exploiting others including yourself to their own benefit?
sainter1 2 years ago
Okay, that's fine. Nothing wrong with progress, exposing hypocrisy, dogmatism, bigotries and irrational fears.
I'm pretty much by myself so I don't have any family members to exploit others and I certainly don't do it myself.
I'm not arguing in favor of religious fundamentalism-not even sure what that is, but in favor of people being free to worship and express ideas about religion/god whatever.
The one thing I'm sure we don't need is for the US to make the entire world over in its own image...
omocorp 2 years ago
I think human beings have the capacity to leap beyond self interest and fear -the selfish gene as Professor Richard Dawkins put it. We empathize with one another, thus we have the ability to care for the group even to our own detriment. We can, have and will sustain a civilized order in the face of catastophe because the group's survival means our individual survival. Goodness in the moral sense flows from this. If this wasn't true, as I stated before we wouldn't have survived as a species.
sainter1 2 years ago
Seem like some very simplistic and limited notions of god to me.
omocorp 2 years ago
Really? That's interesting. How so?
sainter1 2 years ago
All the ideas about god here come from people, many from the bible, specifically. If there really were a god how would we know about him? BTW, humanism sounds like a good idea... if there weren't so many bastards among the human population. The general consensus seemingly put forth here--that humans are basically good, caring, etc. beings certainly doesn't jibe with my experience of people. Where are all these good humans hiding? Under the proverbial bushel?
omocorp 2 years ago
We can't know of God because A/ he's unknowable and B/ in my opinion there is no God. Doesn't stop ppl speculating on the subject. It's probably the biggest question there is, one that won't be answered. But that's not central to this video. My concern is religious fundamentalism and the danger it represents. As for ppl being good, i'd suggest that the majority of ppl are good and a small minority not. All we hear about in the media is the negative. If this wasn't so we'd be exinct by now..
sainter1 2 years ago
I don't think human survival has anything to do with goodness--more with self interest and fear. If people were inherently good I doubt we'd have had WWs I and II and the countless other wars past and present.
Let's wait and see how people behave when resources start to really run out and the crises begin. That will be the real test of your hypothesis about human goodness.
If you examine my reply I stated my experience of people, not what I've seen in any media.
omocorp 2 years ago
WWI and II were examples of good and evil. There's a balance that needs to be observed. When evil is upon us, good ultimately triumphs. This is another example of the need for the group to co-operate in order to survive. Goodness is not inherant it is a moral by-product of the survival instinct. For so long as we survive as a species this peculiar moral by-product will be in operation. Everything that we deem to be good comes from it. It doesn't require a god, it's just part of us, imo.
sainter1 2 years ago
If "goodness" is merely a by-product of human action then how can humans be said to be good or moral in any significant sense? That just doesn't seem to make sense to me. If it's just a by-product, as you put it, how can it be a part of us? Do you see what I'm saying?
omocorp 2 years ago
I know what you're saying. IMO, goodness is not a force unto itself but a manifestation of the human condition. It becomes something out of necessity The good in the world exists because we have learned that the contrary is ultimately destructive. But it makes no difference where it comes from, ultimately, human beings are good at heart because we must be or we don't survive. We may not be innately good but that doesn't matter.
sainter1 2 years ago