The point is that you can't become that great of a dancer in a year and a half no matter how good you are at acting. She's speaking out for recognition and respect for the art of classically trained ballerinas.
Even if Natalie didnt do many of the dancing scenes... it doenst matter. She deserves that Oscar because of her effort and acting skills. If you are a double your credit is the money the company pays you.
she's a double. doubles never get credit and if they do its just a brief name written in the credit roll. of course natalie couldn't do the dancing. she did the best she could and deserved an oscar because an oscar is for acting. i bet people think riders in horse movies do all the riding!
portman is an actor. they are paid obscene amounts of money to be so comvincing that the veiwer loses the line between reality and fantasy and gets entertained. portman was legit dancing like heath ledger was robbing banks, blowing up hospitals, and causing mayhem in dark knight. she was a pro ballerina like mark whalberg was at the level of a pro boxer. which is to say they both just looked the part.
I think it's kind of the same concept as having a body double or a stuntman in a film. Natalie trained hard to dance as much as she could in a short space of time, but only the scenes where staying en pointe wasn't for too long. The more difficult scenes were handled by Sara Lane, and she was recognized for dancing the parts Natalie couldn't. Maybe the could have given her more credit or something, but after all, this is a FILM about ballet, not an ACTUAL ballet.
she says she doesn't want fame and natalie deserves everything. so why is she speaking out? she was paid, and got her name in the credits. no one said natalie did all of the dancing.
It's great she spoke out - why not point out you can't became a pro in a year?
I studied classical ballet and I could tell she had trained but that it was very clear that there was a cinematic emphasis on Portman's emotions in her face while the long shots were a Double.
Right. I am a performer, I study both ballet and acting, so I see both ends of the spectrum (of course i'm no professional like either one of these guys though). With all due respect to Sarah Lane, she's making a scene for no real reason.
Natalie was recognized as the best actress with right judgment. she trained to appear a ballerina not be one actually, and she did that amazingly. it's obvious for those who dance to say that in half a year it's impossible, but did she appear amazing in the "movie as one"? --she pulled it off beautifully. the girl who did the actual dancing is amazing too ^_^.
I thought it was a great movie, I love Natalie Portman. I also spent about 10 years of my life training in dance. For someone to believe you can become a ballerina over a years span is very uninformed about dance. It takes years and years to be that good. Especially on Pointe. I only spent a year on pointe after almost a decade of training with absolutely amazing teachers. The main teacher was from ABC the New York based company from center stage. You can't become a great ballerina in a year!!
What a self righteous bitch! Natalie Portman deserves her Oscar for both her acting and dancing - even if she didn't do half of it herself, she trained damn hard and was totally committed to her role in the film and what an amazing film it was. Any Oscar associated with that film is fully deserved. The dancer was paid to be a part of something massive in her career, she is a ballet dancer and says she's not seeking fame so, contractually, she should not be speaking out about the proportion used!
@bazbun So...Then it's ok for them to lie?Also...Did you read her contract?She got frustrated because they lied about her work and used it as a shamefull Oscar campaign.Anyone in her shoes would be.And if acting alone was the reason someone recieves a Oscar, there wouldn't be Oscar campaigns.And that without getting into the subject of bribes.
If you ask me, I feel that Sarah is just a little tattle tale. -_-
Natalie Portman should still be recognized not only for the dancing, but for the fucking acting. It`s a MOVIE. Not some ballet video. Movie involves acting as well, so don`t just say shit that you suddenly lose interest because she didn`t do all the dancing herself.
@phantomskeep That's not the point.The point is that the marketing for her Oscar was all about "she did 90% of her dancing" and that's also diminishing the double's work and dancers worth.As she said they wanted to create a idea that Natalie was some kind of a dance prodigy while it takes a lifetime of hardwork to become a ballerina.
Wow some of ya'll are so easily influenced. "Oh Natalie didn't really dance, so I think she is bad now." or "I didn't like the movie in the first place, or her acting" But suddenly the dancing part is ok? Seriously, ya'll are going to make my cry from these jokes. Grow up! Natalie only practiced a year and half, while they got the stunt double (whose practiced 22 years) to do the dancing. What you should be saying is,"What a waste of time for Natalie. Could have just used the pro all along."
Deceived...I thought it was all Natalie, and wow I'm sorry that she was such a good actress that i was fooled. I mean, does it really make me naive? and pathetic? Sorry I didn't know it takes so much effort to do this. Not really. I'm not a freaking ballerina pro, so how would I know? and how would I know when the producer intentionally kept this detail a secret. Heck, I didn't even know Natalie practiced a year and a half so excuse me for watching a movie and blindly giving credit to whomever.
oops I can't spell scenes lol sorry just really mad. And to add a little, everyone who thought Natalie was actually dancing is totally naive! It would have taken her many years to dance that well for this movie, not just a year. Pathetic! Just goes to show that people are dumb enough to believe everything they see on tv.
I didn't like this movie in the first place! It's a sick and twisted vision of Swan Lake which BTW is a beautiful story. I hated this movie and don't think it should have gotten any awards at all! I'm a dancer (with many years under my tutu) and this movie made me sick! Not only was all the sex scence awkward to watch with other people, it was awkward to watch alone! HUGE fail. And Sarah was beautiful
it was deception that they didn't tell everyone that Natalie wasn't dancing. I (a dancer) knew she couldn't have done all that dancing, but non dancers would think she was freakin amazing and did. For them to tell Sarah not to tell people that it was her dancing because it might hurt Natalie's chances of getting an award is bull. it's lying. Natalie acts. she gets credit for acting. Sarah should get credit for dancing. It's a movie about ballet, not a ballet. there's no dancing award for it
actually in her best scene, she wasnt even dancing.. she was calling her mom in the restroom.... she did an incredible performance as an actress... how stupid of you to think otherwise... i mean this dancer is great! good for her! but the academy doesnt give oscars to dancers, sorry my daarling!!!!
She has every right to stand up for not just herself but the ballet world. It takes a professional ballerina starts ballet at age 3, goes on pointe around age 12 and soon after going on pointe spends everyday after school working her a** off at the dance studio, including Saturdays and most of her summer vacation too. So to say Natalie Portman can just become a prima ballerina in a year and a half is bull crap.
Natalie Portman got the Oscar for her performance and acting skills and not for her dancing skills. She trained many-many months to play this role genuinely . And she got that Oscar,because she truly deserved it. Nobody can take that award from her,she is the best actress of the past decade, and she did a brilliant, magnificent performance in this movie. So this ballerina girl should just simply shut the hell up and live her life.
omg, this is stupid... cuz if you get the dvd and go to special features, there is a whole video on how they put natalie's face on a dancer that did most of the dancing for her. the video showed you how they did it w/ the computer and everything! i really don't know why this is even an issue when they included all this info on the dvd -___-
@iRecycledIt exactly, it's not like they're saying natalie did all the dancing when the girl is in the special features.. she has a little reason to be upset but really, if she signed a contract and they told her she won't get much credit then she doesn't have much room to complain. plus there's 12 year old girls at my dance school who are en pointe and dance better than her -.-
i agree with her but why are they calling her first rate? she isn't all that great, and i've never heard her name before this. they're making her out to be amazing, at the same standing as polina semionova, paloma herrera, or gelsey kirkland.....nope
Shes a beautiful dancer, and I really do believe it was this girl's feet during those shots and not Natalie's but, not trying to be rude or anything because like I said, this girl really is a beautiful dancer..but she's not the best. In that fouette sequence at 4:20 you can clearly see her fall out of the pirouette, lose the passe, hop back onto releve, finish the turn and shakily land. I just feel shes making it sound like shes the best out there, when she's just average in the ballet world.
She sounds like a california valley girl bimbo who simply seeks attention. She even got a magazine spread/ tons of interviews out of this deal. Her dancing is mediocre at best according to true professional ballerinas/critics. The producers should have picked someone with better skill and more modesty.
surprised that so many people apparently thought natalie was doing all the dancing. i thought it was obvious there was a double. i mean the close ups of the feet in pointe shoes? the perfect fouette and pique turns? no one can magically get ballet arched feet and good technique in a year and a half starting in their 20's...that's just absurd.
give credit where credit is due, for acting. she acted the part of a ballerina, but that doesn't make her one.
@rebeccaxx145 Totally agree with you. People who think that Natalie could learn all that in a short time just for the part, just don't know anything about ballet, about how many years it takes to learn, and how a ballerina's body and movements are. For me it was clear she had a double, but I danced ballet for more than 10 years myself.
I watched this movie for the first time last week and I must say this movie did not deserve 31/2 stars! This movie was a little far fetched and outrageous! Ballet is beautiful and angelic,I did not see the beauty of ballet in this movie wouldn't cha say?
@oneill9875 the misunderstanding is:it was not about ballet... ballet was the background story only.Natalie deserved that Oscar,they dont give it for dancing,and she acted really convincingly here,as well as she did in other roles,she really is a great actress.I admire her for training like mad for the role.But being a dancer I totaly understand her double.It's absolutely insane to disgrace an art like that,stating that 22 years of blood and sweat can be reproduced in 1,5 years.Inhuman.Nonsense
in films, there are always doubles. especially in action films. I don´t hear anyone complain about that. natlie never claimed that she did everything as far as I have read and heared in interviews. natalie is an actress and never claimed she is a professional ballerina. she got her oscar for a film, not for her ballet performance. btw, Natalie dances since she has been 4, so she did not just start 6 month ago..that would not have been possible.
Hollywood needs to get called on their 'sleight of hand' and other shenanigans. Sarah Lane is highly trained and very skilled and was not treated with professional respect. In this regard, she's speaking for a lot of people who've been through the same thing.
Sarah Lane did the right thing. People need to know that one cannot become professionally proficient in dancing Ballet in a year.. It takes more like 20 years of intense training.
The studio wanted the public to be fooled in order to enhance the notion that Portman had done something amazing by nailing ballet after only a year of training. There was money to be made in the propagation of that false notion, and movie studios don't like to leave money on the table.
Let's get one thing straight. That girl was hired to be a double NOT a principal. She knew that going in the movie. Natalie didn't have to mention her in the speech because she just didnt have to. So fuck her
Who cares if she didn't do the dancing part, she won the Oscar because her acting was particularly awesome, I think the year and a half she spent training was mostly for her facial and arms expresion but not for the position of her feet because OBVIOUSLY that takes a lot more time of practice, but if Lane got payed and signed a contract that she accepted: it's because she ACCEPTED it! If she's not looking for fame, then why even bother?!
natalie portman, won the Oscar for his performance, not how to dance in the movie, the movie, only show small fragments of the art of lane, it is impossible to feel through these small fragments, however portman if we are moved with his performance.
No offense, but if you believed Natalie did all of the dancing, you are ignorant. Practically ever actor has as stunt double. Action star's stunt double's don't complain about doing dangerous stunts.The producers should not have tried to hide the fact that Sarah did more dancing than they let the public believe, but they never denied that Natalie had a double. Natalie won her Oscar for the acting. Not to mention her complete body transformation and commitment to this role.
@thenextnp87 I personally don't think it has anything to do with ignorance, if the public doesn't know how hard ballet really is, then it's not there fault at all, Sarah lane spoke up for dancers like me, and many others, who work there butts off so that hollywood can pretend it's easy. (but It's NOT Natalie's fault,she won that oscer for her briliant acting! and actors generally DON'T give thanks to there stunts,and Sarah was wrong to expect that. so there for, it's HOLLYWOOD's fault!
@teenovels I am a dancer as well and I guess I should not expect the public to understand how hard ballet is and being a professional dancer is. But to me it seemed like Sarah was trying to discredit Natalie's performance. Yes, the studio should have given Sarah more credit than they did, but I think Sarah was looking for attention that wasn't entirely deserved. But I do agree with you it was hollywoods fault.
Ms. Lane decided to speak out because some way or another it was not made positively clear that Natalie did not do all the dancing in the movie. Maybe it was the marketing campaign or maybe the gullible public. Regardless full disclosure would have been best. The way things were handled was an insult to Ms. Lane and her craft so I commend her for speaking out and want to congratulate her on making the film what it was!
What a whingeing cow! Natalie is not a professional dancer there would be a stunt double. That's movies. It has sweet f/a to do with some twit moaning about her 22 years at the grind like she is exception.
you know, I'm not saying this JUST because I hate Natalie Portman and no, I'm not a dancer, but I believe Sarah Lane is completely justified in what she's saying. Do you know how frustrating I feel right now FOR Sarah and I'm not even in her position. There r few things more infuriating to humans then to not receive credit where credit is due. and all Natalie's cast mates ran to her side to back her up? they're her cast mates!! her fucking FRIENDS what else would they do? hollywoods fucked up
look everybody. i'm a ballet dancer, i've been doing it my whole life... if someone asked me to be a double for someone else, and then the world pisses their pants all excited because they think the OTHER girl really did all those things- i'd be pissed to. Ballet, in particular, has so many tiny, fine details. every single day we push more and more. it's those things that distinguish the professionals from the novices. Natalie Portman did nothing but flap her arms around. She looked terrible.
the REAL ballerinas in the audience can see the difference. I wanted to vomit every time i saw Natalie's arms. Don't worry Lane, those of us who know what we're watching can tell. they're not fooling us.
Plus she (Lane) just contradicted herself. If this isn't about fame for her, then why is she angry? She was credited for her work, so the argument that her work was passed off as someone else's is bull. It has to be about fame and attention that she feels she didn't get.
@SnotRockets55 did you hear what she said the credited her for? like a hand double and one of the dancers!! before this came out I thought Natalie did all her own moves. Just like I used to think Uma Thurman did all her kung foo moves in kill bill. Because when people are watching movies like this it doesn't come to their minds to consider whos doing the stunts and therefore Natalie did NOT deserve the praise she got and filmmakers oughtta be ashamed for letting people think something false.
I don't understand what Lane's issue is? Like they said in the beginning of the clip, neither the filmmakers nor Portman denied there was a dance double. They said NP did some things and that the doubles did others, which is true. So what is her gripe here? Really it just sounds to me like she's annoyed because her face wasn't splashed all over People magazine afterwards or something.
What they get wrong in this video is that they say that this is a dancing movie. It isn't a dancing movie, it's a psychological thriller. The acting was much more important for the quality of the movie than the dancing. However, if nataly portman got the oscar due to the dancing she didn't do, I can see how that is a problem
I've actually heard that natalie had been taking dance classes here and there for eight years before the movie. The dancing was obviously INCREDIBLE but.. movies are acting and natalie was so spot on and amazing at playing this role.
Everyone saying Sarah was not "credited" needs to shut the fuck up. SHE WAS CREDITED! she got paid and she got her recognition. Any short amount of googling will tell you that she was the double for Natalie Portman. So STOP fighting about it. As for Natalie winning the Oscar, she deserved it! I don't care that she didn't do all of the full body dancing. Was that all anybody cared about! I for one noticed the amazing ACTING in the film. She's also not the first actor to use a stunt double before!
@edudisney It is not a 'just because' moment. It is because a great big lie was told that enabled N.P. to receive an oscar for an expertise dance performance she did not perform. It was a great part of the reason she won the oscar. And people like you defending a liar is ridiculous. If N.P conceals the truth in order
to recieve an oscar based on a fraudulent dance performance, she is the one who needs to be chastised and NOT defended. How dare you insult the artist for her fine performance.
all these people saying she isnt right for speaking out or that it's stupid for her to be doing this is wrong for saying that. this girl had trained to be a ballerina from a really young age and worked so hard to be in movie like she was in black swan as a ballet dancer i find it insulting that hollywood said natilie could do that advanced dancing in just a year and a half. sarah lane SHOULD be credited for dancing in this becasue this is what she spent probably most of her life doing...ballet.
I don't know why Sarah doesn't just go ahead and say what this is really about. She wants more attention for her role in the movie, in other words, fame. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what the executives on the movie did, by trying to push Natalie for the Oscars. I have no doubt that people would have respected Sarah just as much if she didn't draw all this attention to herself. Most of it being negative.
as a ballet dancer, i find it incredibly insulting for hollywood to make everyone believe that anyone can become a dancer in a little over a year. i adore natalie portman as an actress, but i am disappointed that sarah was not credited; dance is a physically demanding art form that takes years of dedication and dicipline to even get a fraction closer to the goal of perfection that dancers strive for, not just a hobby that can be perfected in a year and a half of training.
they use doubles all the time. if lane doesnt want to be famous than why is she here. natalie is still a great actress. 80% or 5% of the dance, its because of natalie the film worked. wonder how many people would have cared to watch the movie if lane was doing the lead. she sucks. Lane shoudnt have danced in it if she was worried the situation. move on lane. you just burned your own bridge to sucess.
i found it incredibly insulting that people think natalie was able to do that dancing after a year and a half. ballet is not just about skills it is about shaping your body. a body like sarah lane's takes years and years to perfect. natalie could not physically do those things if she worked 8 hours every single day. ballet is so under-appreciated. i agree that her expressions were top notch and i don't want to take away from the fact that she deserved her oscar, but only for her acting.
I know right!?? i mean, I have been up for less than a year en pointe. I am more advanced than some of the other beginners who have been en pointe for two years, but thats because my ankles and legs are already really strong from other dance i have done.
my mom was put en pointe her first ballet class, but she was 16 and had been dancing Highland for years. For a non dancer to be able to do that in that time....impossible!
1:36 --> she didn´t do it to get fame or recognicion?? The why the hell are you on TV now??? I think it´s great that she´s a professional and I know, because I dance myself that it´s a hard job, but don´t make a big deal out of it, it´s "only" a movie!
Except when she was dancing I wasn't (and doubt anybody) was looking at the dancing ... I was looking at her face. The "pivotal dance sequence" was all about Natalies expression. It was haunting and beautiful.
They act like it was a surprise that they superimposed Natalies face over hers. They do that with regular stunt doubles all the time, why should it be any shock that they did it with a dance double? I cant believe that people actually thought that Natalie did all the dancing. I mean she did a great job, but no way could she get that good, let alone up on pointe, in a year and a half alone.
She is a double (which can be listed as a stunt double btw), she has no right on being further noticed. She said herself if you count the close ups too, Natalie DID 80% of the dancing. If she doesn't count them in it's her problem. And what Natalie did was an amazing job, what she said herself. So in fact, NOBODY lied, implying is not lying. It's Hollywood after all, nothing is real. People believe what they want, but as a double you shut up and don't try to get attention which is not yours.
NO, I see her complaining because the producers/director were and ARE.....CLAIMING that most of the dance work seen was Portman....and it WASN'T!! Another Hollywood....that is WHY this double is speaking out, why are you call so dense as to not see that? They were pusing for Portman to win the Oscar and LIED to that end...those dance moves take YEARS to learn, as the ballerina said...22 yrs she's learned her craft....its the LIES she is speaking out against....DUH.
I don't think that role was oscar worthy. But what's the double doing bitching about her role...what a mess. She should get her giant ego under control.
People, be sure that this girl agreed on the signing of the contract to only do the dancing part. She knew she was a "double". Nobody lied to her, that she will be on the front page of the magazines together with Natalie Portman. Black Swan is a movie that has dancing in it, not a ballet show with some acting. She just doesn't seem right to me. Why don't other doubles speak-out for "such injustices". Because they all understand the concept of being a double. I think she's lame.
I think there is a certain amount of credit due but Natalie did work, I know that you can't become a excellent dancer in 6 months but training 5 hours for 6 months before shooting. I was put on pointe in 9 months. I feel that this is she is not defending the art, she is just defending her self. Sarah dances, Natalie acts. She has got her credit now, and she should be done.
@xFaithfullyYours A ballerina who is doing competitions and shows but not yet hired/scouted by a professional ballet company like ABT which Sarah belongs to. Pre-pro dancers are usually not full time dancers meaning they have to juggle things like studies and working part time elsewhere in order to keep the dream alive. Sad that there is so much social stigma and controversy with regards to what constitutes as an artiste, the art form, and integrity of performance.
She isn't looking for fame. She is only standing up for her art form, it's absolutely insulting that people think you can get to the level of a professional ballet dancer in a year. Sarah Lane isn't in the movie business, any pro ballerina can tell you the only fame she's looking for is that in the theatre, not some fifteen minutes on t.v.
I'm a dancer myself and I LOVE this movie. It has taken me over a year and half to be able to do turns en menage on point shoes... I LOVE black swan and Natalie, I think she did an amazing job in this movie BUT... I understand what Lane is saying. Which is nothing but the fact that it's almost imposible to acomplish something like that on a year and a half. I believe is almost an insult to professional ballerinas worldwide who work for years to day our work can easily be acomplished.
I hate how they just throw "Prima Ballerina" around like it's given to every other dancer, you have to be a Polina Semionova or a Uliana Lopatkina or or a Svetlana Zakharova to own that title and in the movie, Natalie was NOT a Prima.
I'm not raking over Sarah Lane, but only the real gullible would've believed Portman did the pointe moves. Watching it, it's obvious Aronofsky framed shots of Portman's actual dancing to avoid showing her legs. The shots of Portman "actually" on pointe I right away chocked up to CGI editing cause the dancing of Portman on pointe simply can't be achieved by someone in a year's time.
The bottom line is Aronofsky threw out some percentage and Lane called him on it.
the thing is that most of the american audience aregullible persons.I understandLane is upset about not getting the recognitionshe deserved an yet in that agitationshe is calm or smart enough not to diminishPortmans acting.Almost everyone in the showbsnss will supprt nat,after all movies are a business where relations are greatly important,their opinion and the producers opinion is not parcial,but natalie is a great actressIjust wish people were so agressive and close mind towards sara
Honestly no one gives a fuck about you. The only reason anyone watched the movie is because they wanted to see Natalie Portman get her cunt licked. Be honest, they just wanted that to see kike bitch to get a tongue in her pussy. Oh boo hoo, no one knows it was you doing the dancing? Dancing is a pointless job - sorry, HOBBY - and you should stop wasting your time and do something useful. Maybe lie on your back and get fucked by niggers for a dime.
Wow. This comment really enusres my thoughts if even the most dumb of people can use a computer. I'm so sorry that your IQ is lower than your age - which is probably 12. I really hope that mental institution you live in is nice and padded for you.
Oh blah blah blah, get a grip. The only reason the movie won an Oscar was lesbian sex - just the same as the only reason Avatar won was because Cameron was spruiking for 3D technology (which the industry is keen on for more expensive ticket sales) and just the same as the only reason that Halle Berry got an Oscar was because she flashed her tits on screen. Don't be naive. I just feel sad for this stupid dancer chick who thinks dancing is important - it really isn't.
@MisterDanceMachine the movie did not get an Oscar because of lesbian sex and it did not get an Oscar for the ballet. it got an Oscar because of Natalie Portman's amazing performance playing a girl slowly unhinging under the pressure of her own standards for herself and because of the fascinating way the story was told and the profoundly disturbing note it ended on.
Ok. Sarah Lane says ok yeah Natalie deserves all the credit she got, but really? Were the heck was she going doing an interview saying "oh yeah all of the actuall dancing shots are me" that isnt giving her the credit she deserves! I am no dancer, but my sister is and she has been dancing for 22 years. Becoming a ballerina (full blown, knows all the dancing) in a year and a half, is impossible, NO ONE can do it. But, Natilie wouldnt be able to act being a ballerina, with so much passion,
I saw the movie (I'm a civilian, not a dancer) and I never thought Natalie did all the dancing herself. I thought she did an amazing job making herself 'look' like a ballerina and be able to master the basic moves to pull off the role. Movie goes are familiar with the work of doubles. Well, I don't expect Daniel Craig to fly a plane and do all the things James Bond does!
PEOPLE! QUIT IT! Sarah Lane looks like a very sweet girl, but I'm sorry. My uncle works in the film industry as both a casting director and associate producer. Sarah Lane knew that when she signed that waiver that she wasn't going to get credit. It's Hollywood, people. Where ideas and credit are stolen, recycled and stolen again. One of the producers for Black Swan said she signed not one BUT MULTIPLE waivers. Should she get credit? Yes. But she signed those waivers, that's her fault.
@Dank951 your a fucking idiot. This movie was promoted with bullshit interviews with the director saying how amazing portman was training for a year on her own dollar etc complete shit,complete lies
@index1001 How am I an idiot? To correct you, the only idiot is you. I KNOW NATALIE DID NOT PERFORM THE BALLET CHOREOGRAPHY that was displayed within the film. I know! But people need to get their heads out of their ass and realize that SARAH LANE SIGNED A WAIVER and gave up her credit! Plus, Natalie wasn't recognized for the dancing, she was recognized for the acting. Dumbass! Know what the fuck you're talking about before you decide to come at me indirect and completely oblivious.
@Dank951 maybe you are happy to be lied to. Obviously having an Uncle who works in the industry makes you a a complete fucking expert but you are still unable to see the point people are making is not about a waiver, that is fine. It is that the makers of this film lied through their fucking teeth about Portman's dancing performance. I think she is a good actor but she won an Oscar based largely on these lies. You tell people to quit like you are a defining voice on this hence a Fucking idiot
I don't think the important conflict is whether, Sarah deserves recognition. Many dancers, especially ballet dancers are very protective of their art. And they can get fired up and angry if other people think that it's easy. The publicity campagin made out as if Natalie really learned how to dance, which is misleading and dishonest on their part. However, if people had raved more about Natalie's acting than her "dancing" Sarah really wouldn't so be concerned about not getting credit.
I mean really? Natalie Portman can't perfected the dance in a year in a half, I agree with the double. Realistically, no one can dance like what most of us saw in Black Swan in a year in a half but the double shouldn't have bitch and complained about the recognition that Natalie Portman got for the stunts.
I agree with her. You will never, ever become a professional ballerina in a year and a half. And she does deserve a little recognition. Those dance scenes were amazing.
Seriously, if you want to be a 'star' don't be a fucking double. Did she really expect recognition. YOU'RE A FUCKING DOUBLE. Not the actress. Stupid bitch.
I agree with Sarah Lane in her defense against what the media did to portray Portman, saying that "she became a ballerina within a year and a half." That's outrageous and extremely insulting to the professional ballet world. People have no idea what girls endure to try and become dancers for life, and if the public as a majority saw what girls go through, they'd be shocked and might call it abuse. Yes, Portman deserved the Oscar. No, she does not deserve the title "ballerina".
tha oscar its for the performer , not for the dance .. she only want to be famous !!! sincerly if yoy see the movie the dance pass. in second plane , the spotlight its the psique of nina, , his madness and the thin line between his reality and madness.....SHE ONLY WANT ATTENTION AND FAME!!
Every dance film has a dance double for it's protagonist character. It's about the making of the film! Could this woman play that role? no. It's extremely multi dimensional and the film is not about the dancing, it's about the character's journey. she needed at least a year to even be able to pull off a ballerina character believably. Doubles are cheaper with technique. She worked, the got paid in her chosen profession. This is the arts man! If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen!
I can't stand Sarah Lane, If she wanted to get famous she should have went into acting. As for saying she's not doing this for the attention, Why the hell is she doing it? She seems to have one facial expression when dancing, Natalie Portman has a very expressive face. I loved the movie, but i wasn't spending every moment obsessing over weither Natalie done the dancing or not. Funnily enough i watched the film for the story.
She's correct. It's her right to come on this show or do interviews acknowledging her role in the film. I danced a little back in the 80's went to the performing arts, the whole nine yards (my nick name was CoCo) Anyway for this movie to cause the buzz it did, and Oscar worthy, etc...the body doubles should get credit for what they do. That's what the movie was all bout and they really work hard I didn't have a passion for it like other girls but I appreciated all the dicipline that goes into it
i'm sorry i dont get WHY this is even a discussion. OBVIOUSLY NATALIE DIDN"T DO THE DANCING, shes an ACTRESS not a dancer, in this day and age of download this-photoshop that- SPECIAL EFFECTS TEAMS receiving awards, of course its logical to think the dancing was done by a double.
Okay, seriously. Any dancer knows that it is impossible to become truly skilled in the art form of dance in just a year of training. Thankfully, the directors of this film understood this and used visual effects to make up for what Natalie physically lacked. She still did an amazing job and I believe she deserves every bit of her Oscar that she won for her PERFORMANCE (NOT dancing ability) in Black Swan.
@xFaithfullyYours A pre-professional dancer is a dancer who is training to become a professional. For example, I am auditioning for jobs this year after years of training. The fact that you had to ask that question just proves that you have no say in this matter, and you should think before commenting on a subject you clearly know nothing about.
They should have given her credit as the dance double. I danced for over 20 years, and I would at least want that much recognition. Same thing happened after Flashdance came out and you would think the film industry would have learned their lesson. I mean, everyone should be credited for the role they had in the film.
if you've danced ballet for a a longtime you would understand where this chick is coming from. you can spend 10 years dancing ballet and stll suck... it's actually impossible to become a professional ballerina in a year that's an outrageous thing to say....
I know that Natalie wouldn't have been able to dance at such a standard but I still think it's wrong to try and mislead people into thinking that she did all the dancing to better their chances at the Oscars. I don't think that Sarah was being a "fame whore" I think she was trying to shed light on the situation because she felt under appreciated, especially when people think that Natalie got to that standard in a year and half when Sarah has worked her butt off for years to get to where she is.
She is not she is a highly respected artisit in one of the worlds greatest ballet companies. She doesn't need this kind of fame. Being a pre-perfessional dancer myself i understand, clearly you are not.
@Cenarius11 Dude. It's wrong to lie. And its wrong to take credit for work you didn't do. Natalie did both. Sarah doesn't need the supposed fame that she already has in the dance world. Who the f cares about Hollywood credit that is worth nothing to a real artiste. How about I use one of your Youtube videos to win a film maker's award and didn't credit you?
If they had said that it was mostly some other ballet dancer who had done the dance scenes I would probably not have cared at all, I'd still vote for her. Besides, I think I already thought that most scenes weren't Natalie. But it's still pretty wrong to 'hide' it from the world to make sure she had better chances of winning an oscar.
If you know anything about dance you know that Portman did not perform those movements. The fact that the "majority" of people believe Portman did dance those movements speaks volumes about how under appreciated and mis-understood ballet is.
If she didn't do this for fame then why is she doing all these interviews and shit? She knew she'd be a double, so what's she's really moaning about is that they didn't 'put it out there' that Natalie Portman didn't do all of the dancing. So what? She's an outstanding actress who delivered an outstanding movie and you're complaing she isn't a professional ballerina? She smells like bitterness gone rotten.
@imagineaboringlife She's doing interviews because they PAY her for them. Who wouldn't eek as much $ as pos?Tell me at exactly what point in this interview did she whine about "Them not putting it out there" that NP didn't do all the dancing. Again you are correct she is an excellant actress & Ms.
The point is that you can't become that great of a dancer in a year and a half no matter how good you are at acting. She's speaking out for recognition and respect for the art of classically trained ballerinas.
SirDradius 16 hours ago
Even if Natalie didnt do many of the dancing scenes... it doenst matter. She deserves that Oscar because of her effort and acting skills. If you are a double your credit is the money the company pays you.
SakuritaNyu 19 hours ago
you cant say natalie did not deserve an oscar just because she didnt did the dancing.Come on, you are just a double and you act like a bitch
KIYOCHING 1 day ago
she's a double. doubles never get credit and if they do its just a brief name written in the credit roll. of course natalie couldn't do the dancing. she did the best she could and deserved an oscar because an oscar is for acting. i bet people think riders in horse movies do all the riding!
chancesridr 1 day ago
portman is an actor. they are paid obscene amounts of money to be so comvincing that the veiwer loses the line between reality and fantasy and gets entertained. portman was legit dancing like heath ledger was robbing banks, blowing up hospitals, and causing mayhem in dark knight. she was a pro ballerina like mark whalberg was at the level of a pro boxer. which is to say they both just looked the part.
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MasterJediV 2 days ago
I think it's kind of the same concept as having a body double or a stuntman in a film. Natalie trained hard to dance as much as she could in a short space of time, but only the scenes where staying en pointe wasn't for too long. The more difficult scenes were handled by Sara Lane, and she was recognized for dancing the parts Natalie couldn't. Maybe the could have given her more credit or something, but after all, this is a FILM about ballet, not an ACTUAL ballet.
ramonimacaroni 3 days ago
@ramonimacaroni could not agree more!
snophojosie 3 days ago
Oh so you can't become a high skilled ballerina in a year! lol
kamilleseven 4 days ago
She has a whiny annoying voice. And that makeup screams 'attention whore' I trust this woman little based on those two things! Yick
zoerickard 4 days ago
She doesn't care about fame and recognition yet she's "speaking out" and doing a dance routine in this news segment?
nikk1a 5 days ago
she says she doesn't want fame and natalie deserves everything. so why is she speaking out? she was paid, and got her name in the credits. no one said natalie did all of the dancing.
BeccaHennessy 6 days ago
It's great she spoke out - why not point out you can't became a pro in a year?
I studied classical ballet and I could tell she had trained but that it was very clear that there was a cinematic emphasis on Portman's emotions in her face while the long shots were a Double.
lombmusic07 1 week ago
SARAH LANE.
CedricsMom 1 week ago
i like how the ballerina's prettier than natalie
otakunanokana 1 week ago
in my opinion natalie portman its better than she, she´s an actress, and this bailarina just want atention
PrincShinky 1 week ago
I didn't think Natalie would come off that great after only a yr and a half of training...but I still love the movie!
19Ng84 1 week ago
Right. I am a performer, I study both ballet and acting, so I see both ends of the spectrum (of course i'm no professional like either one of these guys though). With all due respect to Sarah Lane, she's making a scene for no real reason.
xsexyminxyx 1 week ago
Natalie was recognized as the best actress with right judgment. she trained to appear a ballerina not be one actually, and she did that amazingly. it's obvious for those who dance to say that in half a year it's impossible, but did she appear amazing in the "movie as one"? --she pulled it off beautifully. the girl who did the actual dancing is amazing too ^_^.
Lylliez 1 week ago
I thought it was a great movie, I love Natalie Portman. I also spent about 10 years of my life training in dance. For someone to believe you can become a ballerina over a years span is very uninformed about dance. It takes years and years to be that good. Especially on Pointe. I only spent a year on pointe after almost a decade of training with absolutely amazing teachers. The main teacher was from ABC the New York based company from center stage. You can't become a great ballerina in a year!!
AeroLuv26 1 week ago
@AeroLuv26 I completely agree! :) You can't become a ballerina in a year!!!
NovaNardi 1 week ago
What a self righteous bitch! Natalie Portman deserves her Oscar for both her acting and dancing - even if she didn't do half of it herself, she trained damn hard and was totally committed to her role in the film and what an amazing film it was. Any Oscar associated with that film is fully deserved. The dancer was paid to be a part of something massive in her career, she is a ballet dancer and says she's not seeking fame so, contractually, she should not be speaking out about the proportion used!
bazbun 2 weeks ago
@bazbun So...Then it's ok for them to lie?Also...Did you read her contract?She got frustrated because they lied about her work and used it as a shamefull Oscar campaign.Anyone in her shoes would be.And if acting alone was the reason someone recieves a Oscar, there wouldn't be Oscar campaigns.And that without getting into the subject of bribes.
iusernaime 1 week ago
If you ask me, I feel that Sarah is just a little tattle tale. -_-
Natalie Portman should still be recognized not only for the dancing, but for the fucking acting. It`s a MOVIE. Not some ballet video. Movie involves acting as well, so don`t just say shit that you suddenly lose interest because she didn`t do all the dancing herself.
phantomskeep 2 weeks ago
@phantomskeep That's not the point.The point is that the marketing for her Oscar was all about "she did 90% of her dancing" and that's also diminishing the double's work and dancers worth.As she said they wanted to create a idea that Natalie was some kind of a dance prodigy while it takes a lifetime of hardwork to become a ballerina.
iusernaime 2 weeks ago
@iusernaime well u said it urself, that is WELL-marketing, that's just how it works to sell, get mad at the people that actually buy it ^_^
Lylliez 1 week ago
@Lylliez You would be surprised how ignorant most of the buyers are about this...
iusernaime 1 week ago
Wow some of ya'll are so easily influenced. "Oh Natalie didn't really dance, so I think she is bad now." or "I didn't like the movie in the first place, or her acting" But suddenly the dancing part is ok? Seriously, ya'll are going to make my cry from these jokes. Grow up! Natalie only practiced a year and half, while they got the stunt double (whose practiced 22 years) to do the dancing. What you should be saying is,"What a waste of time for Natalie. Could have just used the pro all along."
ScotchGamerGirl 2 weeks ago
Deceived...I thought it was all Natalie, and wow I'm sorry that she was such a good actress that i was fooled. I mean, does it really make me naive? and pathetic? Sorry I didn't know it takes so much effort to do this. Not really. I'm not a freaking ballerina pro, so how would I know? and how would I know when the producer intentionally kept this detail a secret. Heck, I didn't even know Natalie practiced a year and a half so excuse me for watching a movie and blindly giving credit to whomever.
ScotchGamerGirl 2 weeks ago
oops I can't spell scenes lol sorry just really mad. And to add a little, everyone who thought Natalie was actually dancing is totally naive! It would have taken her many years to dance that well for this movie, not just a year. Pathetic! Just goes to show that people are dumb enough to believe everything they see on tv.
danceurpantsoff13 2 weeks ago
I didn't like this movie in the first place! It's a sick and twisted vision of Swan Lake which BTW is a beautiful story. I hated this movie and don't think it should have gotten any awards at all! I'm a dancer (with many years under my tutu) and this movie made me sick! Not only was all the sex scence awkward to watch with other people, it was awkward to watch alone! HUGE fail. And Sarah was beautiful
danceurpantsoff13 2 weeks ago
Thought the dancing was done by Natalie.. now it doesnt seem that great after all
akshathabhat2 2 weeks ago
it was deception that they didn't tell everyone that Natalie wasn't dancing. I (a dancer) knew she couldn't have done all that dancing, but non dancers would think she was freakin amazing and did. For them to tell Sarah not to tell people that it was her dancing because it might hurt Natalie's chances of getting an award is bull. it's lying. Natalie acts. she gets credit for acting. Sarah should get credit for dancing. It's a movie about ballet, not a ballet. there's no dancing award for it
MissLizzanna 2 weeks ago
actually in her best scene, she wasnt even dancing.. she was calling her mom in the restroom.... she did an incredible performance as an actress... how stupid of you to think otherwise... i mean this dancer is great! good for her! but the academy doesnt give oscars to dancers, sorry my daarling!!!!
anariojas 3 weeks ago
She has every right to stand up for not just herself but the ballet world. It takes a professional ballerina starts ballet at age 3, goes on pointe around age 12 and soon after going on pointe spends everyday after school working her a** off at the dance studio, including Saturdays and most of her summer vacation too. So to say Natalie Portman can just become a prima ballerina in a year and a half is bull crap.
TheHighSchoolYears15 3 weeks ago
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Natalie Portman got the Oscar for her performance and acting skills and not for her dancing skills. She trained many-many months to play this role genuinely . And she got that Oscar,because she truly deserved it. Nobody can take that award from her,she is the best actress of the past decade, and she did a brilliant, magnificent performance in this movie. So this ballerina girl should just simply shut the hell up and live her life.
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shassy0201 3 weeks ago
BOOOO!!! it was all about the acting not the dancing!
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shassy0201 3 weeks ago
What bollux.... this ballet dancer, "I didn't do this to get famous"..... and yet, here she is doing all these interviews (for money).
stsk8stepally 3 weeks ago
@stsk8stepally so agree!!!!!!
sillygal25 2 weeks ago
omg, this is stupid... cuz if you get the dvd and go to special features, there is a whole video on how they put natalie's face on a dancer that did most of the dancing for her. the video showed you how they did it w/ the computer and everything! i really don't know why this is even an issue when they included all this info on the dvd -___-
iRecycledIt 3 weeks ago
@iRecycledIt exactly, it's not like they're saying natalie did all the dancing when the girl is in the special features.. she has a little reason to be upset but really, if she signed a contract and they told her she won't get much credit then she doesn't have much room to complain. plus there's 12 year old girls at my dance school who are en pointe and dance better than her -.-
dontworryboutmethen 3 weeks ago
i agree with her but why are they calling her first rate? she isn't all that great, and i've never heard her name before this. they're making her out to be amazing, at the same standing as polina semionova, paloma herrera, or gelsey kirkland.....nope
azugirl111 3 weeks ago
Shes a beautiful dancer, and I really do believe it was this girl's feet during those shots and not Natalie's but, not trying to be rude or anything because like I said, this girl really is a beautiful dancer..but she's not the best. In that fouette sequence at 4:20 you can clearly see her fall out of the pirouette, lose the passe, hop back onto releve, finish the turn and shakily land. I just feel shes making it sound like shes the best out there, when she's just average in the ballet world.
alexandraxoxoxo11 1 month ago
She sounds like a california valley girl bimbo who simply seeks attention. She even got a magazine spread/ tons of interviews out of this deal. Her dancing is mediocre at best according to true professional ballerinas/critics. The producers should have picked someone with better skill and more modesty.
nightwishnemo 1 month ago
man shes kinda mehmeh isnt she? I guess Id be sour too :/
Pandafye 1 month ago
the question is, did the makers really hide the fact that there was a double? if the answer is no, then this woman should shut up.
leylander 1 month ago
surprised that so many people apparently thought natalie was doing all the dancing. i thought it was obvious there was a double. i mean the close ups of the feet in pointe shoes? the perfect fouette and pique turns? no one can magically get ballet arched feet and good technique in a year and a half starting in their 20's...that's just absurd.
give credit where credit is due, for acting. she acted the part of a ballerina, but that doesn't make her one.
rebeccaxx145 1 month ago
@rebeccaxx145 Totally agree with you. People who think that Natalie could learn all that in a short time just for the part, just don't know anything about ballet, about how many years it takes to learn, and how a ballerina's body and movements are. For me it was clear she had a double, but I danced ballet for more than 10 years myself.
janaherde 1 month ago
I love this Sara Lane, good for her for speaking up, she deserves credit where credit is due.
gnieoalo92 1 month ago
She's beautiful, they should've just cast her for the role.
gnieoalo92 1 month ago
Natalie Portman is not an actress of the highest caliber in drama, this is waaaaaay too much credit on her acting.
alexsa21 1 month ago
@alexsa21 i know i think her acting is quite bad actually . the only reason she got the votes was because of the dancing which she didnt do
xXxAmyPalmerxXx 1 month ago
@xXxAmyPalmerxXx agree.......dancing was great, still don't think her "acting" was worthy of the oscar
sillygal25 2 weeks ago
i never thought she really did that, i mean, i have been dancing for the past ten years and i hadnt have got a my solo yet ´cause they are so strict
cosviotica2095 1 month ago
I watched this movie for the first time last week and I must say this movie did not deserve 31/2 stars! This movie was a little far fetched and outrageous! Ballet is beautiful and angelic,I did not see the beauty of ballet in this movie wouldn't cha say?
oneill9875 1 month ago
@oneill9875 the misunderstanding is:it was not about ballet... ballet was the background story only.Natalie deserved that Oscar,they dont give it for dancing,and she acted really convincingly here,as well as she did in other roles,she really is a great actress.I admire her for training like mad for the role.But being a dancer I totaly understand her double.It's absolutely insane to disgrace an art like that,stating that 22 years of blood and sweat can be reproduced in 1,5 years.Inhuman.Nonsense
Ardenis9 1 month ago
@Ardenis9 Thank you for the response I guess I'm just a fanatic when it comes to ballet and all its tradition and prestige and yes Natalie was good!
oneill9875 1 month ago
in films, there are always doubles. especially in action films. I don´t hear anyone complain about that. natlie never claimed that she did everything as far as I have read and heared in interviews. natalie is an actress and never claimed she is a professional ballerina. she got her oscar for a film, not for her ballet performance. btw, Natalie dances since she has been 4, so she did not just start 6 month ago..that would not have been possible.
LaraBallerina 1 month ago
Hollywood needs to get called on their 'sleight of hand' and other shenanigans. Sarah Lane is highly trained and very skilled and was not treated with professional respect. In this regard, she's speaking for a lot of people who've been through the same thing.
RLviddy 1 month ago
Sarah Lane did the right thing. People need to know that one cannot become professionally proficient in dancing Ballet in a year.. It takes more like 20 years of intense training.
The studio wanted the public to be fooled in order to enhance the notion that Portman had done something amazing by nailing ballet after only a year of training. There was money to be made in the propagation of that false notion, and movie studios don't like to leave money on the table.
ChampagneCraig 1 month ago
Let's get one thing straight. That girl was hired to be a double NOT a principal. She knew that going in the movie. Natalie didn't have to mention her in the speech because she just didnt have to. So fuck her
DMakeUpLover 1 month ago
Who cares if she didn't do the dancing part, she won the Oscar because her acting was particularly awesome, I think the year and a half she spent training was mostly for her facial and arms expresion but not for the position of her feet because OBVIOUSLY that takes a lot more time of practice, but if Lane got payed and signed a contract that she accepted: it's because she ACCEPTED it! If she's not looking for fame, then why even bother?!
TheTita1718 1 month ago
natalie portman, won the Oscar for his performance, not how to dance in the movie, the movie, only show small fragments of the art of lane, it is impossible to feel through these small fragments, however portman if we are moved with his performance.
fashionneighbourhood 1 month ago
No offense, but if you believed Natalie did all of the dancing, you are ignorant. Practically ever actor has as stunt double. Action star's stunt double's don't complain about doing dangerous stunts.The producers should not have tried to hide the fact that Sarah did more dancing than they let the public believe, but they never denied that Natalie had a double. Natalie won her Oscar for the acting. Not to mention her complete body transformation and commitment to this role.
thenextnp87 1 month ago
@thenextnp87 I personally don't think it has anything to do with ignorance, if the public doesn't know how hard ballet really is, then it's not there fault at all, Sarah lane spoke up for dancers like me, and many others, who work there butts off so that hollywood can pretend it's easy. (but It's NOT Natalie's fault,she won that oscer for her briliant acting! and actors generally DON'T give thanks to there stunts,and Sarah was wrong to expect that. so there for, it's HOLLYWOOD's fault!
teenovels 1 month ago
@teenovels I am a dancer as well and I guess I should not expect the public to understand how hard ballet is and being a professional dancer is. But to me it seemed like Sarah was trying to discredit Natalie's performance. Yes, the studio should have given Sarah more credit than they did, but I think Sarah was looking for attention that wasn't entirely deserved. But I do agree with you it was hollywoods fault.
thenextnp87 1 month ago
What an ungrateful cow, she should be glad she got film money at all. When was the last time a ballet movie was made......?
5teampunker 1 month ago
Ms. Lane decided to speak out because some way or another it was not made positively clear that Natalie did not do all the dancing in the movie. Maybe it was the marketing campaign or maybe the gullible public. Regardless full disclosure would have been best. The way things were handled was an insult to Ms. Lane and her craft so I commend her for speaking out and want to congratulate her on making the film what it was!
WrinkledPaper50 1 month ago
What a whingeing cow! Natalie is not a professional dancer there would be a stunt double. That's movies. It has sweet f/a to do with some twit moaning about her 22 years at the grind like she is exception.
Plumannieduff 1 month ago
you know, I'm not saying this JUST because I hate Natalie Portman and no, I'm not a dancer, but I believe Sarah Lane is completely justified in what she's saying. Do you know how frustrating I feel right now FOR Sarah and I'm not even in her position. There r few things more infuriating to humans then to not receive credit where credit is due. and all Natalie's cast mates ran to her side to back her up? they're her cast mates!! her fucking FRIENDS what else would they do? hollywoods fucked up
cartergirl3of3 1 month ago
look everybody. i'm a ballet dancer, i've been doing it my whole life... if someone asked me to be a double for someone else, and then the world pisses their pants all excited because they think the OTHER girl really did all those things- i'd be pissed to. Ballet, in particular, has so many tiny, fine details. every single day we push more and more. it's those things that distinguish the professionals from the novices. Natalie Portman did nothing but flap her arms around. She looked terrible.
NinjaTree6 1 month ago
@NinjaTree6 exactly
hilarysanda 1 month ago
the REAL ballerinas in the audience can see the difference. I wanted to vomit every time i saw Natalie's arms. Don't worry Lane, those of us who know what we're watching can tell. they're not fooling us.
NinjaTree6 1 month ago
Plus she (Lane) just contradicted herself. If this isn't about fame for her, then why is she angry? She was credited for her work, so the argument that her work was passed off as someone else's is bull. It has to be about fame and attention that she feels she didn't get.
SnotRockets55 1 month ago
@SnotRockets55 did you hear what she said the credited her for? like a hand double and one of the dancers!! before this came out I thought Natalie did all her own moves. Just like I used to think Uma Thurman did all her kung foo moves in kill bill. Because when people are watching movies like this it doesn't come to their minds to consider whos doing the stunts and therefore Natalie did NOT deserve the praise she got and filmmakers oughtta be ashamed for letting people think something false.
cartergirl3of3 1 month ago
I don't understand what Lane's issue is? Like they said in the beginning of the clip, neither the filmmakers nor Portman denied there was a dance double. They said NP did some things and that the doubles did others, which is true. So what is her gripe here? Really it just sounds to me like she's annoyed because her face wasn't splashed all over People magazine afterwards or something.
SnotRockets55 1 month ago
What they get wrong in this video is that they say that this is a dancing movie. It isn't a dancing movie, it's a psychological thriller. The acting was much more important for the quality of the movie than the dancing. However, if nataly portman got the oscar due to the dancing she didn't do, I can see how that is a problem
frank8910 1 month ago
I've actually heard that natalie had been taking dance classes here and there for eight years before the movie. The dancing was obviously INCREDIBLE but.. movies are acting and natalie was so spot on and amazing at playing this role.
xitsbeautiful 1 month ago
Everyone saying Sarah was not "credited" needs to shut the fuck up. SHE WAS CREDITED! she got paid and she got her recognition. Any short amount of googling will tell you that she was the double for Natalie Portman. So STOP fighting about it. As for Natalie winning the Oscar, she deserved it! I don't care that she didn't do all of the full body dancing. Was that all anybody cared about! I for one noticed the amazing ACTING in the film. She's also not the first actor to use a stunt double before!
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nina84642 1 month ago
@edudisney It is not a 'just because' moment. It is because a great big lie was told that enabled N.P. to receive an oscar for an expertise dance performance she did not perform. It was a great part of the reason she won the oscar. And people like you defending a liar is ridiculous. If N.P conceals the truth in order
to recieve an oscar based on a fraudulent dance performance, she is the one who needs to be chastised and NOT defended. How dare you insult the artist for her fine performance.
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nina84642 1 month ago
all these people saying she isnt right for speaking out or that it's stupid for her to be doing this is wrong for saying that. this girl had trained to be a ballerina from a really young age and worked so hard to be in movie like she was in black swan as a ballet dancer i find it insulting that hollywood said natilie could do that advanced dancing in just a year and a half. sarah lane SHOULD be credited for dancing in this becasue this is what she spent probably most of her life doing...ballet.
Msdanceforever97 1 month ago
"I didn't do the movie to get fame or anything" WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ON T.V THEN????
FinalFantasyAerith 1 month ago
@FinalFantasyAerith
nice mouth. just pearls of wisdom. NOT.
nina84642 1 month ago
@nina84642 What? I didn't what you meant by that.....
FinalFantasyAerith 1 month ago
@FinalFantasyAerith i was thinking the same thing
TheRandomNess77 1 month ago
I don't know why Sarah doesn't just go ahead and say what this is really about. She wants more attention for her role in the movie, in other words, fame. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what the executives on the movie did, by trying to push Natalie for the Oscars. I have no doubt that people would have respected Sarah just as much if she didn't draw all this attention to herself. Most of it being negative.
NymmyFowler 1 month ago
as a ballet dancer, i find it incredibly insulting for hollywood to make everyone believe that anyone can become a dancer in a little over a year. i adore natalie portman as an actress, but i am disappointed that sarah was not credited; dance is a physically demanding art form that takes years of dedication and dicipline to even get a fraction closer to the goal of perfection that dancers strive for, not just a hobby that can be perfected in a year and a half of training.
photodancer1 1 month ago
they use doubles all the time. if lane doesnt want to be famous than why is she here. natalie is still a great actress. 80% or 5% of the dance, its because of natalie the film worked. wonder how many people would have cared to watch the movie if lane was doing the lead. she sucks. Lane shoudnt have danced in it if she was worried the situation. move on lane. you just burned your own bridge to sucess.
teecam1982 1 month ago
i found it incredibly insulting that people think natalie was able to do that dancing after a year and a half. ballet is not just about skills it is about shaping your body. a body like sarah lane's takes years and years to perfect. natalie could not physically do those things if she worked 8 hours every single day. ballet is so under-appreciated. i agree that her expressions were top notch and i don't want to take away from the fact that she deserved her oscar, but only for her acting.
xanadu191 1 month ago
Natalie Portman won that oscar for her ACTING not her DANCING! there is a vast difference.
NaTTyKiinz 1 month ago
@littlesheep11
I know right!?? i mean, I have been up for less than a year en pointe. I am more advanced than some of the other beginners who have been en pointe for two years, but thats because my ankles and legs are already really strong from other dance i have done.
my mom was put en pointe her first ballet class, but she was 16 and had been dancing Highland for years. For a non dancer to be able to do that in that time....impossible!
Phoenixfire624 1 month ago
1:36 --> she didn´t do it to get fame or recognicion?? The why the hell are you on TV now??? I think it´s great that she´s a professional and I know, because I dance myself that it´s a hard job, but don´t make a big deal out of it, it´s "only" a movie!
littlesheep11 1 month ago
Except when she was dancing I wasn't (and doubt anybody) was looking at the dancing ... I was looking at her face. The "pivotal dance sequence" was all about Natalies expression. It was haunting and beautiful.
clauclia6 1 month ago
They act like it was a surprise that they superimposed Natalies face over hers. They do that with regular stunt doubles all the time, why should it be any shock that they did it with a dance double? I cant believe that people actually thought that Natalie did all the dancing. I mean she did a great job, but no way could she get that good, let alone up on pointe, in a year and a half alone.
Phoenixfire624 1 month ago
@Phoenixfire624 yes!! that´s exactly my opinion
littlesheep11 1 month ago
She is a double (which can be listed as a stunt double btw), she has no right on being further noticed. She said herself if you count the close ups too, Natalie DID 80% of the dancing. If she doesn't count them in it's her problem. And what Natalie did was an amazing job, what she said herself. So in fact, NOBODY lied, implying is not lying. It's Hollywood after all, nothing is real. People believe what they want, but as a double you shut up and don't try to get attention which is not yours.
DreamySerenade 1 month ago
NO, I see her complaining because the producers/director were and ARE.....CLAIMING that most of the dance work seen was Portman....and it WASN'T!! Another Hollywood....that is WHY this double is speaking out, why are you call so dense as to not see that? They were pusing for Portman to win the Oscar and LIED to that end...those dance moves take YEARS to learn, as the ballerina said...22 yrs she's learned her craft....its the LIES she is speaking out against....DUH.
HearthCricket 1 month ago
I don't think that role was oscar worthy. But what's the double doing bitching about her role...what a mess. She should get her giant ego under control.
ComeLeVent 1 month ago
@ComeLeVent true :)
littlesheep11 1 month ago
People, be sure that this girl agreed on the signing of the contract to only do the dancing part. She knew she was a "double". Nobody lied to her, that she will be on the front page of the magazines together with Natalie Portman. Black Swan is a movie that has dancing in it, not a ballet show with some acting. She just doesn't seem right to me. Why don't other doubles speak-out for "such injustices". Because they all understand the concept of being a double. I think she's lame.
zsicustos 1 month ago
I'd be pissed, too.
elmozakuro 1 month ago
I think there is a certain amount of credit due but Natalie did work, I know that you can't become a excellent dancer in 6 months but training 5 hours for 6 months before shooting. I was put on pointe in 9 months. I feel that this is she is not defending the art, she is just defending her self. Sarah dances, Natalie acts. She has got her credit now, and she should be done.
ItsMeggieMayy 2 months ago
@xFaithfullyYours A ballerina who is doing competitions and shows but not yet hired/scouted by a professional ballet company like ABT which Sarah belongs to. Pre-pro dancers are usually not full time dancers meaning they have to juggle things like studies and working part time elsewhere in order to keep the dream alive. Sad that there is so much social stigma and controversy with regards to what constitutes as an artiste, the art form, and integrity of performance.
charlottejena 2 months ago
Wow, super disappointed in Sarah Lane. Not cool.
Dancer1590 2 months ago
She isn't looking for fame. She is only standing up for her art form, it's absolutely insulting that people think you can get to the level of a professional ballet dancer in a year. Sarah Lane isn't in the movie business, any pro ballerina can tell you the only fame she's looking for is that in the theatre, not some fifteen minutes on t.v.
ligittt 2 months ago
@ligittt Ballet sucks ... get over it.
MisterDanceMachine 2 months ago
@MisterDanceMachine What sucks about it? Tell me that. Please, I would LOVE to hear it.
MissMacKenzieKate 2 months ago
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@MisterDanceMachine What sucks about it? Please, I would LOVE to know.
MissMacKenzieKate 2 months ago
I'm a dancer myself and I LOVE this movie. It has taken me over a year and half to be able to do turns en menage on point shoes... I LOVE black swan and Natalie, I think she did an amazing job in this movie BUT... I understand what Lane is saying. Which is nothing but the fact that it's almost imposible to acomplish something like that on a year and a half. I believe is almost an insult to professional ballerinas worldwide who work for years to day our work can easily be acomplished.
filledeboina 2 months ago
It's kind of annoying how she's obviously just looking for her 15 minutes of fame.
Nataruia4 2 months ago
I hate how they just throw "Prima Ballerina" around like it's given to every other dancer, you have to be a Polina Semionova or a Uliana Lopatkina or or a Svetlana Zakharova to own that title and in the movie, Natalie was NOT a Prima.
loulie1997 2 months ago
Lane even sounds like an idiot.Didn't do the movie for "fame" Pathetic.
zapkvr 2 months ago
I'm not raking over Sarah Lane, but only the real gullible would've believed Portman did the pointe moves. Watching it, it's obvious Aronofsky framed shots of Portman's actual dancing to avoid showing her legs. The shots of Portman "actually" on pointe I right away chocked up to CGI editing cause the dancing of Portman on pointe simply can't be achieved by someone in a year's time.
The bottom line is Aronofsky threw out some percentage and Lane called him on it.
lukebccb 2 months ago
the thing is that most of the american audience aregullible persons.I understandLane is upset about not getting the recognitionshe deserved an yet in that agitationshe is calm or smart enough not to diminishPortmans acting.Almost everyone in the showbsnss will supprt nat,after all movies are a business where relations are greatly important,their opinion and the producers opinion is not parcial,but natalie is a great actressIjust wish people were so agressive and close mind towards sara
alemagui92 2 months ago
Hello -- Natalie won the Oscar, and an Oscar is an award for ACTING - not dancing. Period.
thepolaroidartist 2 months ago
Honestly no one gives a fuck about you. The only reason anyone watched the movie is because they wanted to see Natalie Portman get her cunt licked. Be honest, they just wanted that to see kike bitch to get a tongue in her pussy. Oh boo hoo, no one knows it was you doing the dancing? Dancing is a pointless job - sorry, HOBBY - and you should stop wasting your time and do something useful. Maybe lie on your back and get fucked by niggers for a dime.
MisterDanceMachine 2 months ago
@MisterDanceMachine wow what the fuck is WRONG with you.
xSophieCuyler 2 months ago
@MisterDanceMachine
Wow. This comment really enusres my thoughts if even the most dumb of people can use a computer. I'm so sorry that your IQ is lower than your age - which is probably 12. I really hope that mental institution you live in is nice and padded for you.
PinkPjs26 2 months ago
Oh blah blah blah, get a grip. The only reason the movie won an Oscar was lesbian sex - just the same as the only reason Avatar won was because Cameron was spruiking for 3D technology (which the industry is keen on for more expensive ticket sales) and just the same as the only reason that Halle Berry got an Oscar was because she flashed her tits on screen. Don't be naive. I just feel sad for this stupid dancer chick who thinks dancing is important - it really isn't.
MisterDanceMachine 2 months ago
@MisterDanceMachine the movie did not get an Oscar because of lesbian sex and it did not get an Oscar for the ballet. it got an Oscar because of Natalie Portman's amazing performance playing a girl slowly unhinging under the pressure of her own standards for herself and because of the fascinating way the story was told and the profoundly disturbing note it ended on.
theSynysterPiggy 2 months ago
Oh you are living in DENIAL, I'm sorry to tell you. It's all about sex, the Academy like to see hot sex. Lesbians + jewish actress = instant Oscar
MisterDanceMachine 2 months ago
Either way Natalie did a wonderful performance. Before this, I assumed she had a double.
micheleleigh72 2 months ago
Ok. Sarah Lane says ok yeah Natalie deserves all the credit she got, but really? Were the heck was she going doing an interview saying "oh yeah all of the actuall dancing shots are me" that isnt giving her the credit she deserves! I am no dancer, but my sister is and she has been dancing for 22 years. Becoming a ballerina (full blown, knows all the dancing) in a year and a half, is impossible, NO ONE can do it. But, Natilie wouldnt be able to act being a ballerina, with so much passion,
ShakespeareFreak44 2 months ago
I saw the movie (I'm a civilian, not a dancer) and I never thought Natalie did all the dancing herself. I thought she did an amazing job making herself 'look' like a ballerina and be able to master the basic moves to pull off the role. Movie goes are familiar with the work of doubles. Well, I don't expect Daniel Craig to fly a plane and do all the things James Bond does!
mrsotter19 2 months ago
PEOPLE! QUIT IT! Sarah Lane looks like a very sweet girl, but I'm sorry. My uncle works in the film industry as both a casting director and associate producer. Sarah Lane knew that when she signed that waiver that she wasn't going to get credit. It's Hollywood, people. Where ideas and credit are stolen, recycled and stolen again. One of the producers for Black Swan said she signed not one BUT MULTIPLE waivers. Should she get credit? Yes. But she signed those waivers, that's her fault.
Dank951 2 months ago
@Dank951 your a fucking idiot. This movie was promoted with bullshit interviews with the director saying how amazing portman was training for a year on her own dollar etc complete shit,complete lies
index1001 2 months ago
@index1001 How am I an idiot? To correct you, the only idiot is you. I KNOW NATALIE DID NOT PERFORM THE BALLET CHOREOGRAPHY that was displayed within the film. I know! But people need to get their heads out of their ass and realize that SARAH LANE SIGNED A WAIVER and gave up her credit! Plus, Natalie wasn't recognized for the dancing, she was recognized for the acting. Dumbass! Know what the fuck you're talking about before you decide to come at me indirect and completely oblivious.
Dank951 2 months ago
@Dank951 maybe you are happy to be lied to. Obviously having an Uncle who works in the industry makes you a a complete fucking expert but you are still unable to see the point people are making is not about a waiver, that is fine. It is that the makers of this film lied through their fucking teeth about Portman's dancing performance. I think she is a good actor but she won an Oscar based largely on these lies. You tell people to quit like you are a defining voice on this hence a Fucking idiot
index1001 2 months ago
I don't think the important conflict is whether, Sarah deserves recognition. Many dancers, especially ballet dancers are very protective of their art. And they can get fired up and angry if other people think that it's easy. The publicity campagin made out as if Natalie really learned how to dance, which is misleading and dishonest on their part. However, if people had raved more about Natalie's acting than her "dancing" Sarah really wouldn't so be concerned about not getting credit.
aprilthrusday 2 months ago
@aprilthrusday Words cannot EXPLAIN how much I agree with you (: I'm a dancer and I think it is wrong to defame such a sacred and difficult art form.
ChocoCatpwli 2 months ago
I mean really? Natalie Portman can't perfected the dance in a year in a half, I agree with the double. Realistically, no one can dance like what most of us saw in Black Swan in a year in a half but the double shouldn't have bitch and complained about the recognition that Natalie Portman got for the stunts.
vietgirl25 2 months ago
if she deserves a recogniton for the movie, then all stunt should be recognize too. double is a double. nuff said
bungeegums 2 months ago
I agree with her. You will never, ever become a professional ballerina in a year and a half. And she does deserve a little recognition. Those dance scenes were amazing.
balletstyle 2 months ago
Seriously, if you want to be a 'star' don't be a fucking double. Did she really expect recognition. YOU'RE A FUCKING DOUBLE. Not the actress. Stupid bitch.
andisgreys 2 months ago
I agree with Sarah Lane in her defense against what the media did to portray Portman, saying that "she became a ballerina within a year and a half." That's outrageous and extremely insulting to the professional ballet world. People have no idea what girls endure to try and become dancers for life, and if the public as a majority saw what girls go through, they'd be shocked and might call it abuse. Yes, Portman deserved the Oscar. No, she does not deserve the title "ballerina".
lakenvelder0pandora 2 months ago
tha oscar its for the performer , not for the dance .. she only want to be famous !!! sincerly if yoy see the movie the dance pass. in second plane , the spotlight its the psique of nina, , his madness and the thin line between his reality and madness.....SHE ONLY WANT ATTENTION AND FAME!!
miriamlunita2004 2 months ago
Every dance film has a dance double for it's protagonist character. It's about the making of the film! Could this woman play that role? no. It's extremely multi dimensional and the film is not about the dancing, it's about the character's journey. she needed at least a year to even be able to pull off a ballerina character believably. Doubles are cheaper with technique. She worked, the got paid in her chosen profession. This is the arts man! If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen!
vintagexguru 2 months ago
I can't stand Sarah Lane, If she wanted to get famous she should have went into acting. As for saying she's not doing this for the attention, Why the hell is she doing it? She seems to have one facial expression when dancing, Natalie Portman has a very expressive face. I loved the movie, but i wasn't spending every moment obsessing over weither Natalie done the dancing or not. Funnily enough i watched the film for the story.
LadyAngelaBoleyn1536 2 months ago
She's correct. It's her right to come on this show or do interviews acknowledging her role in the film. I danced a little back in the 80's went to the performing arts, the whole nine yards (my nick name was CoCo) Anyway for this movie to cause the buzz it did, and Oscar worthy, etc...the body doubles should get credit for what they do. That's what the movie was all bout and they really work hard I didn't have a passion for it like other girls but I appreciated all the dicipline that goes into it
atlasshrugged2u 2 months ago
i'm sorry i dont get WHY this is even a discussion. OBVIOUSLY NATALIE DIDN"T DO THE DANCING, shes an ACTRESS not a dancer, in this day and age of download this-photoshop that- SPECIAL EFFECTS TEAMS receiving awards, of course its logical to think the dancing was done by a double.
396M 2 months ago
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Okay, seriously. Any dancer knows that it is impossible to become truly skilled in the art form of dance in just a year of training. Thankfully, the directors of this film understood this and used visual effects to make up for what Natalie physically lacked. She still did an amazing job and I believe she deserves every bit of her Oscar that she won for her PERFORMANCE (NOT dancing ability) in Black Swan.
ooerme 2 months ago
@xFaithfullyYours A pre-professional dancer is a dancer who is training to become a professional. For example, I am auditioning for jobs this year after years of training. The fact that you had to ask that question just proves that you have no say in this matter, and you should think before commenting on a subject you clearly know nothing about.
Shabs463 2 months ago
They should have given her credit as the dance double. I danced for over 20 years, and I would at least want that much recognition. Same thing happened after Flashdance came out and you would think the film industry would have learned their lesson. I mean, everyone should be credited for the role they had in the film.
Hereismytwocents2011 2 months ago
if you've danced ballet for a a longtime you would understand where this chick is coming from. you can spend 10 years dancing ballet and stll suck... it's actually impossible to become a professional ballerina in a year that's an outrageous thing to say....
poopliu2011 2 months ago
She "doesn't care" and still she wants to expose it? a meaningless interview...
POTOskaterJMchic 2 months ago
@xFaithfullyYours Totally agree.
HermioneLupin313 2 months ago
I know that Natalie wouldn't have been able to dance at such a standard but I still think it's wrong to try and mislead people into thinking that she did all the dancing to better their chances at the Oscars. I don't think that Sarah was being a "fame whore" I think she was trying to shed light on the situation because she felt under appreciated, especially when people think that Natalie got to that standard in a year and half when Sarah has worked her butt off for years to get to where she is.
Geekfreediet 2 months ago
@xFaithfullyYours
She is not she is a highly respected artisit in one of the worlds greatest ballet companies. She doesn't need this kind of fame. Being a pre-perfessional dancer myself i understand, clearly you are not.
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Cenarius11 2 months ago
@Cenarius11 Dude. It's wrong to lie. And its wrong to take credit for work you didn't do. Natalie did both. Sarah doesn't need the supposed fame that she already has in the dance world. Who the f cares about Hollywood credit that is worth nothing to a real artiste. How about I use one of your Youtube videos to win a film maker's award and didn't credit you?
charlottejena 2 months ago
@charlottejena
yes, i guess u're right after all. Btw, i've long forgotten my previous comment on the vid, and opinion of people do change over time.
And concerning the Utube vids, just chill.
Cenarius11 2 months ago
If she really cared about the art form would she care about the credit?
MajorStuffs 2 months ago
If they had said that it was mostly some other ballet dancer who had done the dance scenes I would probably not have cared at all, I'd still vote for her. Besides, I think I already thought that most scenes weren't Natalie. But it's still pretty wrong to 'hide' it from the world to make sure she had better chances of winning an oscar.
TheJokerNr1 2 months ago
I totally agree ,this was just wrong
thedridis 2 months ago
If you know anything about dance you know that Portman did not perform those movements. The fact that the "majority" of people believe Portman did dance those movements speaks volumes about how under appreciated and mis-understood ballet is.
Ecsantiago50 2 months ago
@Ecsantiago50 You are absolutely right!
PuppyDotty 2 months ago
Flash dance all over again.
GraceInCharge 2 months ago
If she didn't do this for fame then why is she doing all these interviews and shit? She knew she'd be a double, so what's she's really moaning about is that they didn't 'put it out there' that Natalie Portman didn't do all of the dancing. So what? She's an outstanding actress who delivered an outstanding movie and you're complaing she isn't a professional ballerina? She smells like bitterness gone rotten.
imagineaboringlife 2 months ago
@imagineaboringlife She's doing interviews because they PAY her for them. Who wouldn't eek as much $ as pos?Tell me at exactly what point in this interview did she whine about "Them not putting it out there" that NP didn't do all the dancing. Again you are correct she is an excellant actress & Ms.