This video shows clearly that she was 17 in 2008(actually deng linlin was here too). Some people may say the coaches taught them to lie, but there are so many children and it's too early to tell who will be chosen, so no need for them to lie. They will not choose someone underage, and do many thing like "make" a new passport, this waste their time and money.
This doesn't prove anything. You say, "This is long before Yuyuan got good enough for there to be any motivation to fake her age." Yes the video itself states that they started grooming their 2008 gymnasts back in 2003, they knew back then which gymnasts looked promising. And they could have easily told the girls to lie about their ages way back then. I'm not saying for sure that they did, but this video is hardly proof that they DIDN'T lie.
Of course does this proof she was off age! Why would they make her lie back then? It's true they already started looking for promising gymnasts in 2003, but why would they make all the 300 girls of these training camps lie? This interview was part of an interview with MANY other girls of these camps, but only JYY & DLL were good enough in the end. But noone could have known that before.
Subtle propaganda is more powerful and u.s. media is very very good at it! They're powerful and sophisticated, and they can brainwash some American information consumers very easily.
I disagree that they are underage. I'm not Chinese , I'm Ukrainian-Canadian :). But, There is a possibility for some girls put into higher level gymnastics. In China, for the Olympics, selections were started as early as 2003. I think they are of age. I read somewhere that the ENTIRE team was underage! What about Cheng Fei? Li ShanShan? They look of age! I know that only 3 girls were suspected yo be underage. The accusations against them are ridiculous! Apparently some blogger has proof that He
"She's already being training for almost 9 years... must have started when she was 3! Good gosh."
Amy Chow, the American gold medal winner on its 1996 Olympic team, was interviewed recently and she told the reporter that she started her gymnastics training when she was 3 years old.
Some media reporter should be fired, irrsponsible,
unfair report is really frustrating, Yuyuan is older then Shown Johnson
Deng LinLin is even older then Yuyuen, even she is smaller and shorter
Someone should filing a lawsuit against youtube (Google owned it) to claim $1 million dollars damage, ANY LAWER OUT HERE??, EMAIL ME, I'LL HELP TO FILING THE LAWSUIT
To Hellome1221: There have been so many american athelets who used performance enhanced drugs in worlds and olympics, so you're saying that we shouldn't trust any of them now? Please don't use your fat standard to judge Asians. In fact, yuanyuan Jiang is older than Shawn Johnson!
we americans (or at least myself and many others i know) do not have a "racist attitude". we simply have witnessed many Chinese gymnasts to be under aged. its quite simple really as to why we think the way we do. its hard to trust those who lie and cheat, even if its just once- it still raises suspicion. and i can tell you right now, it was NOT just once.
@hellome1221 Are serious? difficulty to trust those who lie and cheat coming from an American . Sorry but you would not know the truth if it slap you in the face . Ask for lying and cheating your country has no moral ground to speak
this video is just to show that yuyuan jiang was old enough to compete in beijing! This interview was in 2003 and she said she was 12!!!! 2008 she is 17!!!!
And it doesn´t make sense to fake her age when she wasn´t good enough to be in any team!!!
"Everyone is scared of what they don't understand. "
It's amazing that you can find such excuse for u.s. media's racist attitude and extreme bias toward Chinese gymnasts. If the media doe not understand others, don't you think it should make efforts to try to understand instead of making lies and spreading rumors and expresing hatred to others?
I've been reading QueenieQue's comments about Chinese gymnasts. You have been trying to find every possible execuse for American wrongdoings while ignoring facts, bashing Chinese, releasing racial hatred to other people, and behavouring like another American bad loser. Chinese gymnasts and fans have shown class, grace and great sportsmanship. Chinese gymnasts have won utmost respect from gymnastics fans all over the world! Americans should grew up and stop being like crying babies.
QueenieQue is a good example of bad losers. Don't you know that you are so absurd and ridiculous with your numerous Chinese bashing comments? Everybody loves and appreciates Chinese girls' performance at 2008 Olympics except for some American sore losers.
"this video alone is not hard-core evidence that Yuyuan is of age."
So what is your "hard-evidence"? Obviously, you've already formed your opinion that Jiang is underage. That's why you took anything that u.s. media said as "hard evidence" because you WANT to confirm your bias! Jiang is 17! She just celebrated her birthday on Nov. 1, 2008! There are a lot of evidence to approve this, but some sore losers refuse to believe the hard reality. Learn Chinese before you criticize other's English!
Did you even READ my response? I said that the Internet documents were not hard evidence that she is too young, just as this video is not evidence that she is of age. As far as speaking Chinese, last I checked this was a conversation in ENGLISH, not Chinese. If people want to attack me in English, they should be able to speak it properly.
I've been reading QueenieQue's comments about Chinese gymnasts. You have been trying to find every possible execuse for American wrongdoings while ignoring facts, bashing Chinese, releasing racial hatred to other people, and behavouring like another American bad loser. Chinese gymnasts and fans have shown class, grace and great sportsmanship. Chinese gymnasts have won utmost respect from gymnastics fans all over the world! Americans should grew up and stop being like crying babies.
I'm not the one "behaviouring" (learn how to speak correctly, please) badly; people who make generalizations about Americans anger me. I make no generalizations about all Chinese people, or even all Chinese gymnasts. All my original argument ever stated was that this video alone is not hard-core evidence that Yuyuan is of age. Just like Internet documents alone are not evidence that she is too young. People need to be mature.
So did Jiang lie about her age on the off chance that she made it to Bejing in 2008.
In the longer film, not made for the internet, which is about elite Chinese gymnasts that are training for the national team, several of her 2008 team-mates were in the film and others gave their ages...
"American media is no more inherently racist than is every other nation's media. "
There are two differences:1. American media and some americans always self-claim that they are the fairest. 2.Compared with other nations, american media is more advanced in terms of propaganda and brain washing its citizens.
Again, broad generalizations based on no facts. "...american [sic] media is more advanced in terms of propaganda and brain washing its citizens"...One could argue the exact same thing about China. It's pretty ironic that you claim that we are so biased yet fail to recognize your own bias.
There are 5 hate groups formed by some Americans on Facebook. These hate groups use disgusting language attacking Cheng Fei. Having been brain washed by its racist media for years, Having been taught to hate Chinese and others who're "different", these people verbally release their deep hatred to an innocent great gymnast. Sad, isn't it? I feel sorry for these people. Cheng Fei and Chinese gymnasts of 08 Olympics will forever be respected by true fans all over the world!
That does make me sad. Cheng Fei is an amazing gymnast. These people are probably more angry about the fact that she won bronze on vault after falling (even though she had clearly harder vaults than Sacramone) than the fact that she is Chinese. American media is no more inherently racist than is every other nation's media. Everyone is scared of what they don't understand.
Also, I looked up those groups, and the membership on almost all of them is less than 10 people. One could argue that it is just as "racist" (I'm assuming you're talking about white Americans) to say that all Americans and American media is racist based on the fact that several dozen people on Facebook make racist comments.
Quee...: You and some American sore grapes started this ugly thing by insulting Chinese girls and spreading underage rumors! Let me teach you an elementary lesson: respect should be mutual. People who don't know to respect others will not get respect from others. Everybody, every race, every culture is equal. Racism, cultural bias, arrogance are cancers that have caused all major problems and divisions among people and nations in the world.
You're right. Respect SHOULD be mutual. And racism goes both ways, you know. I cannot answer for those who first suspected the girls of being underage, nor am I sorry for critiquing performances, as I do for many gymnasts of all races. Practice what you preach.
"Since we seem to be voicing all that is possible without proof, how about the fact that BALCO Labs created a previously undetectable steroid that many U.S. athletes used during the last decade. Since the U.S. has already proven they are capable and willing (they did it in 2000), Michael Phelps obviously cheated his way to 8 gold medals in Beijing using a more advanced version of this steroid. It is certainly possible. But we'll find out the truth in ten years."
Queenieque: I think you're a fake Japanese, and you lack ability to logically present your argument. On one hand, you believe your media's brain washing preach that Chinese media is a propaganda machine. On the other hand, you cherry pick so-called "evidence" from a few Chinese media (Web site). What's your logic? Don't hide your deep bias and hatred to Chinese gymnasts. Did Chinese critize American gymnasts by accusing u.s. gov.'s Iraqi war? Bad loser!
Can we please stop arguing? It's getting tiring. I am not racist, I admire the Chinese gymnasts. Do I think they're perfect? No. Do I think the American (or any other gymnasts) are perfect? Absolutely not. I don't know whether they're underage or not. But one thing I do know: goodwill between the American and Chinese teams is not going to come through fighting. Agree to disagree?
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Your arguments and points are baseless. What are you really trying to say here? You're clearly shamed of your half-Japanese gene! Why don't you have any doubts on Japanese gymnasts' ages? Several of them look even younger and shorter than Chinese girls! So what you're saying is, you don't have problem with Japanese gymnasts, only with Japanese government? Does Japanese government issues passports to its gymnasts?
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Do you even speak English very well? Apparently not, because you can't read with any sort of comprehension. The allegations about the Chinese gymnasts' ages stemmed from reports that came FROM THE CHINESE MEDIA ITSELF, not from anyone else! Also, Japan doesn't have a history of falsifying ages, whereas China and the Soviet bloc DO! I didn't even say she was underage, I merely said that this video should not be proof that she's 16!
History shows that Japan and China are such great friends.. NOT!
The Japanese are known to be deeply predjudiced against the Chinese too, as are Americans... In the same way the Russians and Romanians dislike each other a diss each others gymnasts with such venom.
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if she's already 17 then why did they put 16 on her playcard in the olympics, because the chinese government faked her age. they did it with a lot of girls and one of them almost got stripped of her medal on the uneven bars.
you only have to be at least 16 at the end of the year since olympics is held in august. Thanks to ItsNastiaFan101 for pointing that out to yayme42 and to others who do not know. so, that maybe they can stop saying the chinese gov't forged the documents.
What evidence do you want QuenieQie? Media lies? Her looks? Guess? They're not abused as some west media tell you. Chinese gymnasts are well taken of, don't pretend that you like Jiang. Just remember, Jiang and her teammates have not been raised by big hamburgers, potapo chips, fries, soft drinks and many other junk foods! You should go to visit some junior high and high schools in China and other Asian countries to get some ideas. Please don't use your fat standard to judge others.
You apparently can't read or make a coherent argument. I didn't say she was abused, nor did I base my argument on the way she looks compared to Western gymnasts. I also never said she was stupid. You, I'm not so sure about. By the way, I'm half-Japanese, so your claims that I'm racist are ridiculous. I have no problem with the gymnasts, only with the government.
What can be more racist than this Queneque's remarks? So you think Chinese girl Yuyuan is stupid that she doesn't know her age? So you think your can tell her age only by guess, speculation and wishful thinking, or only because you're white? Your deep-rooted racism and bias, plus the impacts of your efficient propaganda machine's brain washing job over the years, have made you to write such racist remark! This interview happened long before Jiang was a potential Olympic gymnast by Chinese.
Firstly, I love Jiang Yuyuan. But this video is not proof that she's 16. She was taken from her parents to train at a very young age and may not even know when her actual birthday or year of birth is. It is common in the world of gymnastics (like with Kim Gwang Suk from North Korea) for ages to be falsified AT NO FAULT of the gymnast. I don't think anyone is blaming the Chinese gymnasts, just the government. That said, she is incredibly talented, albeit young.
The reporter asked her how old she was, where she's from, how long she trains, and whether training was really difficult. Jiang says she's 12 and since she's already trained for so many years, she's not about to give up now, and she said she's confident she'd make the Beijing team in 2008.
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What do you expect from a 15 yr old nigger worshiping piece of horse shit? To their eye, everyone on this earth are fakes, lairs and cheaters. That's why their moronic president went to war with false accusation of WMD which was never founded. I hope their economy disintegrate to bits so that we "communist" can finally buy out the entire toothless cracker nation, make them slave to east asians
Continued to YTsockAX:But in a speech on Nov. 3, 2007, in the central city of Wuhan, Liu Peng, director of general administration of sport for China, said: "The 13-year-old uneven-bar gymnast He Kexin, who defeated national team athlete Yang Yilin - she just won the bronze medal in the world championships - has demonstrated her ability."
From an online report? YOu believe that?! Oh please! Why be so damn gullible?! Research some more and you'll see an actual documentary from 2002 when Yang Yilin states she's 11; therefore, she'll be 16 this year.
As for He Kexin, if you even take time to research her story, she was later added to the Chinese gymnastic team when another gymnist got injured....
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Who said anything about Yang? She looks her age. Anyway, I'm done with you, because you're in denial, lying to yourself, and ignorant. This is old news to me now and Im tired of providing proof aside from the obvious. Funny you can call someone gulliable. Her own government claimed several times she was uneraged genius.
YOU DID! Read your post again! hahahah Way to overlook your own comment...
You say I'm indenial. Oh okay! Good one! Atleat I'm not one to be so damn gullible just because some internet document says this and that. Are aliens taking over the world, too?! Oh please! If you think about it, I'm more realistic to not base my opinion by being superficial. Just because someone looks younger or are smaller than others doesn't prove age. That's just ridiculous!
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What part of done didn't you get? Their own goverment and newspapers (as I've said several times) claim He Kexin to be uneraged, as do trained scientists. You're so dumb. I won't even bother replying anymore, because excuse me for believing what their own country says about them a year to two years before the Olmypics.LOL. You're embarrassing and making a fool of yourself. I'm not superficial you just can't better defend your claims with the government quotes I have.:) LOL.
Oh please, scientist? I'm so dumb? hahahah Are you serious?! OMG, what scientist? They observed only from pictures and actually, how did you know they were 'trained scientist'.
Then again, you seem so gullible that you'd believed anything.
i agree. they actually hire a "doctor" to judge the gymnast from a picture/video. it's the same as when the audience look at her. that's why some people think she is younger and others think older.
he lists no names of any of the "scientists", with no proven credentials, and none of the "documents" that stated he kexin to be underaged. this mthr fkr has no proof, no evidence.
also, a persons physical appearance is subjective, and genetically, asians do not premature so fast
Chinesese7en, thank you for clarifying that but believe it or not, some will actually judge you because of your username. In my case, I got judged because of my interests...
It's almost the same as people judging someone's age by their apperance. It just doesn't PROVE anything!
their government already said that the journalists made mistakes. u cant believe everything u read in the newspapers. they were proven to be legit not only by their passports now, but along with other documents made by different ministries in China. China is such a big country, its not that hard to find people talented in gymnastics. y would they put themselves down when the world is focused on them? nothing embarassing about YTsockzAX, its just you and your misleading quotes/facts
Well they would say that now! They sort of have too, but I don't feel like debating with this old topic. It's over, right? I'm not saying they weren't good, because they all are. I just find it unfair people think being American is the only reason I have a problem with cheating, as if China doesn't kick our butts in gymastics. That's their field. They have more gold medals than any other country, because they're professionists. It's unfair Chinese Americans are quick to look the other way.
im not saying that if ur an american ur gonna have a problem with this, nor are u saying that chinese ppl are cheating. i guess its over, but some of this debate is still lingering. im not saying that ur wrong in your opinion in that they are too young either. just that the info u told us are kinda obselete. statistically, when the olympics is held at ur country, you get more medals than you normally get, except for the montreal olympics, we just sucked...
Yeah, the judges do play favorites (I think Ksenia Semenova deserved a bronze) based on popular names and what country you're in. I can't wait for it again in 2012.
i just cant wait for the 2010 Winter's olympics. thats gonna be in my home town xD and we're gonna frikin' pwn in hockey!! im not sure if the judges play favorites cuz they are all from different countries, but i heard that one of them was watching another competition instead of judging Nastia Liuken, which would suck to be her.
no im not telling u cuz then u'd know the city i live in lol. jk its in Vancouver. this time, our hockey team better make it to the finals. we got shut down by the Russians last time cuz Todd Bertuzzi was being a dick. we're supposed to be the best, like China is in diving/gymnastics or USA in basketball/swimming. we must win! cuz this is the only thing that we can win in lol.
Yeah, everyone knows that Canadians dominate in hockey. That's definitely your territory. The Winter Olympics never seems to get as much attention as the Summer. I guess people are more into the adrenaline you get from track. I was into the Winter Olympics before I liked the Summer one though.
its not our territory any more lol. the Russians just killed us in the last olympics and in the world championship. people are more interested in summer olympics cuz they have more events. i think they have around 250 gold medals to hand out while winter's only have 86.
Actually I defended Usain Bolt when he was accused by some commenter of taking drugs by saying Jamaica doesn't have all the fast food, high cholestrol, heart attack at 12 issues America does. Can you post a link of adults weighing 66 pounds?
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They aren't anti-Chinese. I'm only talking about the chetear He kexin. I didn't mention anyone else. The minute you call someone out truthfully you're racist. Yeah right. I have no problem with Chinese people at all, so use another lie. When runners are tested for steroids are y'all being anti-American?
The only gymnast that I don't buy as a 16 year old is linlin. She's looks smallest in the team (in terms of height and appearance). But no one accused Linlin of being underaged, is it because she did not win any medal?? @_@
losers.
They deserved the medal. Jiang, Yang and kexin definitely looks older than linlin. And the three of them got accused and deng lin lin didnt ?
If linlin is of age, I dont see why the rest of the gymnasts arent.
fieryace94, exactly!!! Linlin looks MUCH younger than He and I'm sure she's not being highly scrutinized or questioned for being underaged for the exact reason you gave....possibly because she didn't win a medal individually!!!
Deng Linlin, Jiang Yuyuan, and Yang Yilin are proven of age because of a documentary they were in that was recorded in 2002. As for He Kexin, she was later picked to learn the uneven bar routine after another gymnist was injured!
I can't speak Chinese, but people fake passports all the time (to cc213) and the possibility of her being 17 (I've seen millions of 17 year old Chinese people who look much older than her) doesn't mean every member of her team is. Haven't you heard of the Korean gymnast who was 16 for four years?
she looked 12 in the video, so i believe that she is 16/17 right now. it may not mean that every member of her team is of the minimum age, but it doesn't mean they are underaged either. people do fake passports, but not all the time. u may have seen millions of 17 year old chinese people who look much older than she does, but i've seen millions of 17 year old chinese people that look younger than she does
they are allowed to, but they chose not to waste so much time on this. they never really do anything about underaged athletes unless its very obvious, or if it can be confirmed with documents
they could dig deeper than the passports but its really time consuming, and they already saw the passports, the birth certificate and family residence.
im part chinese and i am still skeptical about their ages, but becuz the IOC can't uncover any evidence, we can neither aknowledge or deny their claims.
There is some truth to that, but a forensic scientist said how you can tell from the shape of their face and irises that they are most likely under 16, but I think He Kexin is the main one underage.
i only suspect He Kexin, i think Jiang Yuyuan and the rest of the team is legit. forensics can tell your age from the shape of your face and iris, but different people age at different speed. and in china, i think there is a contact lense thingy that makes your iris look bigger which is a popular item in china. on top of that, i think that w/o the makeup, they look older than they do with makeup
Technically, another Chinese gymnist was training for the 2008 Beijing Olympics specifically for the uneven bars but got injured; therefore, the coaches chose He Kexin to learn the signature routine which was named after the injured gymnist.
Thankfully, He Kexin learned the routine and have received recognition for it. The only person I suspected at first was Deng Linlin (cuz she's so tiny) but she was training with Li & Jiang in this documentary, too. She's also 16 this year!
What? You can't possibly prove your argument because a scientist can determine how a person should look at 16 when in reality, there's no way you can tell someone by their age by only looking at them.
They've provided everything the IOC asked for to prove that the girls are infact of age. It's actually quite ridiculous that people would believe some internet report, yet, have no problem accusing the Chinese gov't for false passports/proofs.
People should just show better sportmanship and give respect towards these Chinese gymnastics team. If people care enough, they should also look at the Japanese gymnastics team who are about the same height and as young lookig as the Chinese team...
What the heck are you talking about? He Kexin is clearly underaged. You want to argue with a college trained professional? That's ridiculous and funny. You can look young w/o having young features, but you clearly can't tell the difference. The IOC isn't fully investigating it and I'm done w/ this, because the they did cheat but nothing can be done, as to not insult the Chinese.
You believe whatever anyone tells you? That makes you gulliable. She has the features of a child and only weighs 66 lbs. No 16 year old weighs that little. Her parents would be locked up fo starvation.
you talk about facial features, i don't think an anti-chinese like you is jealous that China won. You are jealous that chinese team is prettier than the american team.
LOL. Now you're embarrassing yourself and sounding crazy. Yes, they are many pretty Asians, but that has nothing to do with this. I'm not jealous of anyone or anything. I'm against cheating period. If you condone cheating, because the cheaters are Chinese then you should be ashamed. I'm not anti-Chinese. You have nothing intelligent to say so you want to call me a racist, which I'm not. He Kexin has the face shape of a child, as well as the eyes and weight of a child. LOL. You have no brain.
Ukraine, Italy and Demark, just to name a few, were used illegal drugs to which you did not complain. But you singled out China. Is it because they got a medal?
I didn't even see a representative from the Ukraine this year or Denmark or Italy for the girls. I didn't hear anyone talk about them using drugs on the news, so how can I comment on something I haven't heard about? Don't try to play some victim card. The honest people who received 2nd, 3rd, and 4th are the victims.
You're not racist but you may be a little too superficial. There is no guideline of how a sixteen year old should look like and it's wrong to consider someones age by their apperance or features.
Heck, I'm 22 and people still mistake me for being 16!!
Superficial? Excuse me for believing a forensic scientist or having problems with a SIXTEEN YEAR OLD weighing 66 pounds or interview documents of reporters calling her 11 and saying she'd be great in 2012. You can get mistaken as a teen without having the baby round face of a minor or the weight. Do you honestly in your mind believe a normal sixteen can weigh 66 pounds? Seriously.
Interview documents?! WHAT?!? You must be kidding me! The only documents/reports people use as 'proof' against these gymnasts are from the internet. That alone isn't valid whatsoever!
No, in her country, before the Olympics interviewers repoerted her as young as 11. She said she felt the error to small to correct them. However, that wasn't the only interview in her country docummented in magazines, articles, etc. I don't feel like arguing, because you're clearly in denial regardless of the blunt truth.
WHAT?! Mehrunissah93, the USA reporters would get that interview and use it at their advantage already instead of some damn online reports! Where did you find that interview and actually, do you even speak Chinese to understand it?
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They could also use her being an unnatural weight, their immature irises, and teeth as proof, but they didn't.:) It's an insult to accuse them because they had fake passports legitifying them as 16. I'm so done with you. A file dated in 2006 He Kexin was born in 1994, January. A China Daily newspaper said in the official English language of Chinese government May 23rd she was 14. Continued below I have another piece of proof.:) After this I'm done with your in denial.:)
IS there a guideline of how a 16 year old's features should lok like?! At 16, I looked like I was 12 and at 22 now, people think I'm 21! You can't look at these girls superficially and guess on their age based on how long and how small they may look. That's ridiculous! Why question them?! Seriously, research past Asian gymnasts and even look up the Japanese gymnastic team. They are THE SAME as the Chinese, yet, noone questions them because they didn't manage the gold.
People need to show better sportmanship and respect, the same they are showing the USA gymnastic team. Isn't that what the Olympics is all about? I truly feel sorry for the Chinese gymnists who is over-scrutinized because they 'look young' and that they aren't the same size as their competitors.
What's worst is that people question the Chinese gov't when their own (as other world gov't) are far from perfect. Aren't all passports provided by the gov't?! I just don't get that argument...
Fake passports? you speak if nonsense. Have you seen them?, are you a super spy? Your accusations have nothing to back them up. what about those newspaper articles saying their 14, couldn't they just as well be fake.
Have you seen Ksenia Semenova of Russia ? Who is also tiny and very, very light, and was 15 in Bejing.. He Kexin wasn't even on the original team, she was a substitute. You don't fake official documents in China, you don't fake your age on passports it is very dangerous.
this video can proof that Jian Yuyuan is already over 16 year-old in 2008. Information given that this video took in 2003, and in the video, Jian ssid she was 12 year-old at that time, and after 5 years,, she is 17 year-old in 2008 beijing olympic. why so many people have to argue about that,, their passport already proof they are oven 16 year-old!!!!!!!
Sorry if I sound rude, but Cheng Fei is 20. O.o It is rare though to see older gymnasts. There's also that one 33 year old gymnast on the German team for the olympics.
These are all tall gymnasts, 5'4 is tall for a gymnast.. Heaviness makes a gymnast more prone to injury.. There are few heavy sprinters, swimmers, tennis players either that have any success
have you ever seen a 20 yr old gymnast? how about one 6ft tall or even 5ft?
being small gives you an enormous advantage - and yes, there is a reason why the chinese are sneaking underage girls in - these same girls will be long gone by the next olympics and a new batch of 12 yr olds smuggled in
continued)rising star and if she was 17 she wouldn't be china's youngest star because there are younger chinese girls in the olympics that they call 'their backup star' and stuff like that. she is like 8 there so if you dont believe me then dont but its true so ur loss
no..... u just have to be smart. wow ur so tough ur name is 'ceptryn' ur 25 and ur fighting with an 12 year old. yet im winning and im smarter apparently she's obviously 8 so don't argue anymore
Yeah it's not exactly the greatest thing to look younger when you're a teenager. Look where it's landed China's women's team. Accusations flying in the air.
I'm 20 and apparently I look 16 :(
We just have younger looking faces, it doesn't really have to do with height all the time.
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this is fake. not fake but she is 13 now. let me explain. she can't be 12 there, she did have the intention of going to the olympics when she was 13 or 12 and they let her fake this. if this interview is in 2003 she would be 17 now. when they show her score in the olympics it says age: 16. so why would they write age 16 instead of 17? i will tell you why because the chinese government had planned for her in the olympics after hearing about her. also they call her china's youngest (continued
she's like 8? you're like dumb. I am an american...but only Deng Linlin looks 14. Even He Kexin looks 15-16 - you can see by the face. the thing is, He Kexin is probably turning 15 on Jan 1 2009, which means, she too, is 14, exactly 366 days too young to compete.
Jiang Yuyuan is older. That's really not in question by the New York Times or China Daiily News Reports, only hear-say.
Why did the chinese government train a girl that not reach the standard of the Olympics? Every girls start the training since they were still young, all of them start form zero. So, if they are under aged, why doesn't the government choose someone elder?
Many Chinese look younger then there real age. I am now 21 but peopel said that I look like 17!
You got the right to not believe us, but how can you doubt IOC?
have you ever seen a 20 yr old gymnast? how about one 6ft tall or even 5ft?
being small gives you an enormous advantage - and yes, there is a reason why the chinese are sneaking underage girls in - these same girls will be long gone by the next olympics and a new batch of 12 yr olds smuggled in
Reporter: What is your name? YuYuan: Jiang Yuyuan Reporter: How old are you? Yuyuan: 12 Reporter: How long have you been training Yuyuan: Nearly 9 years Reporter: Where are you from? Yuyuan: Guang Xi Reporter: How much training a day? Yuyuan: 6-7 hours Reporter: Hard work? Yuyuan: Yeah Reporter: Do you still want to train? Yuyuan: Yes Reporter: Why? Yuyuan: I've trained for so long, or it would all be wasted.
This video shows clearly that she was 17 in 2008(actually deng linlin was here too). Some people may say the coaches taught them to lie, but there are so many children and it's too early to tell who will be chosen, so no need for them to lie. They will not choose someone underage, and do many thing like "make" a new passport, this waste their time and money.
iamyukilee 7 months ago 2
This doesn't prove anything. You say, "This is long before Yuyuan got good enough for there to be any motivation to fake her age." Yes the video itself states that they started grooming their 2008 gymnasts back in 2003, they knew back then which gymnasts looked promising. And they could have easily told the girls to lie about their ages way back then. I'm not saying for sure that they did, but this video is hardly proof that they DIDN'T lie.
TinyAva93 10 months ago
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Of course does this proof she was off age! Why would they make her lie back then? It's true they already started looking for promising gymnasts in 2003, but why would they make all the 300 girls of these training camps lie? This interview was part of an interview with MANY other girls of these camps, but only JYY & DLL were good enough in the end. But noone could have known that before.
KarpfenKarpfen 4 months ago
@TinyAva93 does she look any younger than 12??? dumbass. what u think she's 6 here??
iheartchickss 1 month ago
Subtle propaganda is more powerful and u.s. media is very very good at it! They're powerful and sophisticated, and they can brainwash some American information consumers very easily.
russiangymfan 11 months ago
I disagree that they are underage. I'm not Chinese , I'm Ukrainian-Canadian :). But, There is a possibility for some girls put into higher level gymnastics. In China, for the Olympics, selections were started as early as 2003. I think they are of age. I read somewhere that the ENTIRE team was underage! What about Cheng Fei? Li ShanShan? They look of age! I know that only 3 girls were suspected yo be underage. The accusations against them are ridiculous! Apparently some blogger has proof that He
tumbleandbumble 1 year ago
They are underage !!!!!! it is no joke!!!!!
mizzydizzy73 1 year ago
@mizzydizzy73: You do have a fat standard.
russiangymfan 10 months ago
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"She's already being training for almost 9 years... must have started when she was 3! Good gosh."
Amy Chow, the American gold medal winner on its 1996 Olympic team, was interviewed recently and she told the reporter that she started her gymnastics training when she was 3 years old.
russiangymfan 1 year ago
Some media reporter should be fired, irrsponsible,
unfair report is really frustrating, Yuyuan is older then Shown Johnson
Deng LinLin is even older then Yuyuen, even she is smaller and shorter
Someone should filing a lawsuit against youtube (Google owned it) to claim $1 million dollars damage, ANY LAWER OUT HERE??, EMAIL ME, I'LL HELP TO FILING THE LAWSUIT
these stupid media
fdoca 1 year ago 5
For crying out loud get over it they won they were better
misteeq64 1 year ago
To Hellome1221: There have been so many american athelets who used performance enhanced drugs in worlds and olympics, so you're saying that we shouldn't trust any of them now? Please don't use your fat standard to judge Asians. In fact, yuanyuan Jiang is older than Shawn Johnson!
russiangymfan 1 year ago
@russiangymfan I will second that statement
misteeq64 1 year ago
we americans (or at least myself and many others i know) do not have a "racist attitude". we simply have witnessed many Chinese gymnasts to be under aged. its quite simple really as to why we think the way we do. its hard to trust those who lie and cheat, even if its just once- it still raises suspicion. and i can tell you right now, it was NOT just once.
hellome1221 1 year ago
@hellome1221 Are serious? difficulty to trust those who lie and cheat coming from an American . Sorry but you would not know the truth if it slap you in the face . Ask for lying and cheating your country has no moral ground to speak
misteeq64 1 year ago
@hellome1221 u SHOULD CHECK ALL THE EVIDENSE BEFORE COMMENT.
DO THE RIGHT THING ! APPOLOGIZE, ITS NOT GOOD
fdoca 1 year ago
She's already being training for almost 9 years... must have started when she was 3! Good gosh.
MrKaiten 2 years ago
@MrKaiten Many of them start when they're about 3-4. :)
AndromedaAiken 1 year ago
Jiang Yuyuan turned to 17 on November 1, 2008! It's very very hard for fat people to imagine and believe.
russiangymfan 2 years ago 10
this video is just to show that yuyuan jiang was old enough to compete in beijing! This interview was in 2003 and she said she was 12!!!! 2008 she is 17!!!!
And it doesn´t make sense to fake her age when she wasn´t good enough to be in any team!!!
So she was old enough!!!!
KseniaSemenovaFan 2 years ago 11
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AssertedJoedo 3 years ago
HAHA,She is really cute~
But now already was a mature girl=))))
michelleyuk1989 3 years ago
claaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, pq' se re entendio lo qe dijo. psssssss
hermosas8 3 years ago
Is there a full version of this documentary/interview?
AndromedaAiken 3 years ago
It ain't what solve. Every chinese gymnast were over 16 and He Kexin is the best of !!!!
yes Jiang YuYuan is good too all chinese olympic women gymnast were great
HE KEXIN
YANG YILIN
JIANG YUYUAN
DENG LINLIN
LI SHANSHAN
CHENG FEI
中国加油
MichalekMM 3 years ago 28
"Everyone is scared of what they don't understand. "
It's amazing that you can find such excuse for u.s. media's racist attitude and extreme bias toward Chinese gymnasts. If the media doe not understand others, don't you think it should make efforts to try to understand instead of making lies and spreading rumors and expresing hatred to others?
SpunkieMunkie 3 years ago 35
I've been reading QueenieQue's comments about Chinese gymnasts. You have been trying to find every possible execuse for American wrongdoings while ignoring facts, bashing Chinese, releasing racial hatred to other people, and behavouring like another American bad loser. Chinese gymnasts and fans have shown class, grace and great sportsmanship. Chinese gymnasts have won utmost respect from gymnastics fans all over the world! Americans should grew up and stop being like crying babies.
SpunkieMunkie 3 years ago 21
QueenieQue is a good example of bad losers. Don't you know that you are so absurd and ridiculous with your numerous Chinese bashing comments? Everybody loves and appreciates Chinese girls' performance at 2008 Olympics except for some American sore losers.
SpunkieMunkie 3 years ago 14
"this video alone is not hard-core evidence that Yuyuan is of age."
So what is your "hard-evidence"? Obviously, you've already formed your opinion that Jiang is underage. That's why you took anything that u.s. media said as "hard evidence" because you WANT to confirm your bias! Jiang is 17! She just celebrated her birthday on Nov. 1, 2008! There are a lot of evidence to approve this, but some sore losers refuse to believe the hard reality. Learn Chinese before you criticize other's English!
chinatheatre 3 years ago 7
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Did you even READ my response? I said that the Internet documents were not hard evidence that she is too young, just as this video is not evidence that she is of age. As far as speaking Chinese, last I checked this was a conversation in ENGLISH, not Chinese. If people want to attack me in English, they should be able to speak it properly.
QueenieQue 3 years ago
I've been reading QueenieQue's comments about Chinese gymnasts. You have been trying to find every possible execuse for American wrongdoings while ignoring facts, bashing Chinese, releasing racial hatred to other people, and behavouring like another American bad loser. Chinese gymnasts and fans have shown class, grace and great sportsmanship. Chinese gymnasts have won utmost respect from gymnastics fans all over the world! Americans should grew up and stop being like crying babies.
SpunkieMunkie 3 years ago 6
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I'm not the one "behaviouring" (learn how to speak correctly, please) badly; people who make generalizations about Americans anger me. I make no generalizations about all Chinese people, or even all Chinese gymnasts. All my original argument ever stated was that this video alone is not hard-core evidence that Yuyuan is of age. Just like Internet documents alone are not evidence that she is too young. People need to be mature.
QueenieQue 3 years ago
So did Jiang lie about her age on the off chance that she made it to Bejing in 2008.
In the longer film, not made for the internet, which is about elite Chinese gymnasts that are training for the national team, several of her 2008 team-mates were in the film and others gave their ages...
emmyjo720 3 years ago
"American media is no more inherently racist than is every other nation's media. "
There are two differences:1. American media and some americans always self-claim that they are the fairest. 2.Compared with other nations, american media is more advanced in terms of propaganda and brain washing its citizens.
chinatheatre 3 years ago 5
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Again, broad generalizations based on no facts. "...american [sic] media is more advanced in terms of propaganda and brain washing its citizens"...One could argue the exact same thing about China. It's pretty ironic that you claim that we are so biased yet fail to recognize your own bias.
QueenieQue 3 years ago
There are 5 hate groups formed by some Americans on Facebook. These hate groups use disgusting language attacking Cheng Fei. Having been brain washed by its racist media for years, Having been taught to hate Chinese and others who're "different", these people verbally release their deep hatred to an innocent great gymnast. Sad, isn't it? I feel sorry for these people. Cheng Fei and Chinese gymnasts of 08 Olympics will forever be respected by true fans all over the world!
chinatheatre 3 years ago 3
That does make me sad. Cheng Fei is an amazing gymnast. These people are probably more angry about the fact that she won bronze on vault after falling (even though she had clearly harder vaults than Sacramone) than the fact that she is Chinese. American media is no more inherently racist than is every other nation's media. Everyone is scared of what they don't understand.
QueenieQue 3 years ago
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Also, I looked up those groups, and the membership on almost all of them is less than 10 people. One could argue that it is just as "racist" (I'm assuming you're talking about white Americans) to say that all Americans and American media is racist based on the fact that several dozen people on Facebook make racist comments.
QueenieQue 3 years ago
Quee...: You and some American sore grapes started this ugly thing by insulting Chinese girls and spreading underage rumors! Let me teach you an elementary lesson: respect should be mutual. People who don't know to respect others will not get respect from others. Everybody, every race, every culture is equal. Racism, cultural bias, arrogance are cancers that have caused all major problems and divisions among people and nations in the world.
chinatheatre 3 years ago
You're right. Respect SHOULD be mutual. And racism goes both ways, you know. I cannot answer for those who first suspected the girls of being underage, nor am I sorry for critiquing performances, as I do for many gymnasts of all races. Practice what you preach.
QueenieQue 3 years ago
A good comment for Que..:
"Since we seem to be voicing all that is possible without proof, how about the fact that BALCO Labs created a previously undetectable steroid that many U.S. athletes used during the last decade. Since the U.S. has already proven they are capable and willing (they did it in 2000), Michael Phelps obviously cheated his way to 8 gold medals in Beijing using a more advanced version of this steroid. It is certainly possible. But we'll find out the truth in ten years."
chinatheatre 3 years ago
Queenieque: I think you're a fake Japanese, and you lack ability to logically present your argument. On one hand, you believe your media's brain washing preach that Chinese media is a propaganda machine. On the other hand, you cherry pick so-called "evidence" from a few Chinese media (Web site). What's your logic? Don't hide your deep bias and hatred to Chinese gymnasts. Did Chinese critize American gymnasts by accusing u.s. gov.'s Iraqi war? Bad loser!
chinatheatre 3 years ago 2
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Can we please stop arguing? It's getting tiring. I am not racist, I admire the Chinese gymnasts. Do I think they're perfect? No. Do I think the American (or any other gymnasts) are perfect? Absolutely not. I don't know whether they're underage or not. But one thing I do know: goodwill between the American and Chinese teams is not going to come through fighting. Agree to disagree?
QueenieQue 3 years ago
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Your arguments and points are baseless. What are you really trying to say here? You're clearly shamed of your half-Japanese gene! Why don't you have any doubts on Japanese gymnasts' ages? Several of them look even younger and shorter than Chinese girls! So what you're saying is, you don't have problem with Japanese gymnasts, only with Japanese government? Does Japanese government issues passports to its gymnasts?
chinatheatre 3 years ago
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Do you even speak English very well? Apparently not, because you can't read with any sort of comprehension. The allegations about the Chinese gymnasts' ages stemmed from reports that came FROM THE CHINESE MEDIA ITSELF, not from anyone else! Also, Japan doesn't have a history of falsifying ages, whereas China and the Soviet bloc DO! I didn't even say she was underage, I merely said that this video should not be proof that she's 16!
QueenieQue 3 years ago
History shows that Japan and China are such great friends.. NOT!
The Japanese are known to be deeply predjudiced against the Chinese too, as are Americans... In the same way the Russians and Romanians dislike each other a diss each others gymnasts with such venom.
emmyjo720 3 years ago
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if she's already 17 then why did they put 16 on her playcard in the olympics, because the chinese government faked her age. they did it with a lot of girls and one of them almost got stripped of her medal on the uneven bars.
yayme42 3 years ago
ummm, no because her birthday is in Novemeber and she was still 16 at the Olympics
ItsNastiaFan101 3 years ago 4
you only have to be at least 16 at the end of the year since olympics is held in august. Thanks to ItsNastiaFan101 for pointing that out to yayme42 and to others who do not know. so, that maybe they can stop saying the chinese gov't forged the documents.
sunnie123 2 years ago
watch the olympics again... u should've taped it
yayme42 3 years ago
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she doesn't even have all her teeth in the back.............
yayme42 3 years ago
What evidence do you want QuenieQie? Media lies? Her looks? Guess? They're not abused as some west media tell you. Chinese gymnasts are well taken of, don't pretend that you like Jiang. Just remember, Jiang and her teammates have not been raised by big hamburgers, potapo chips, fries, soft drinks and many other junk foods! You should go to visit some junior high and high schools in China and other Asian countries to get some ideas. Please don't use your fat standard to judge others.
chinatheatre 3 years ago
You apparently can't read or make a coherent argument. I didn't say she was abused, nor did I base my argument on the way she looks compared to Western gymnasts. I also never said she was stupid. You, I'm not so sure about. By the way, I'm half-Japanese, so your claims that I'm racist are ridiculous. I have no problem with the gymnasts, only with the government.
QueenieQue 3 years ago
What can be more racist than this Queneque's remarks? So you think Chinese girl Yuyuan is stupid that she doesn't know her age? So you think your can tell her age only by guess, speculation and wishful thinking, or only because you're white? Your deep-rooted racism and bias, plus the impacts of your efficient propaganda machine's brain washing job over the years, have made you to write such racist remark! This interview happened long before Jiang was a potential Olympic gymnast by Chinese.
chinatheatre 3 years ago
Firstly, I love Jiang Yuyuan. But this video is not proof that she's 16. She was taken from her parents to train at a very young age and may not even know when her actual birthday or year of birth is. It is common in the world of gymnastics (like with Kim Gwang Suk from North Korea) for ages to be falsified AT NO FAULT of the gymnast. I don't think anyone is blaming the Chinese gymnasts, just the government. That said, she is incredibly talented, albeit young.
QueenieQue 3 years ago
Where are those people who question Jiang's age? Those sour grapes and bad losers?
chinatheatre 3 years ago
translate this who under stands this any way
nessyreplies 3 years ago
The reporter asked her how old she was, where she's from, how long she trains, and whether training was really difficult. Jiang says she's 12 and since she's already trained for so many years, she's not about to give up now, and she said she's confident she'd make the Beijing team in 2008.
uwoeric 3 years ago 3
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What do you expect from a 15 yr old nigger worshiping piece of horse shit? To their eye, everyone on this earth are fakes, lairs and cheaters. That's why their moronic president went to war with false accusation of WMD which was never founded. I hope their economy disintegrate to bits so that we "communist" can finally buy out the entire toothless cracker nation, make them slave to east asians
XXCCC85XX 3 years ago
Stop using your US viewpoint to judge how old Asian women are. They are on average 20 pounds lighter, and 10cm shorter.
ceptryn 3 years ago 16
Continued to YTsockAX:But in a speech on Nov. 3, 2007, in the central city of Wuhan, Liu Peng, director of general administration of sport for China, said: "The 13-year-old uneven-bar gymnast He Kexin, who defeated national team athlete Yang Yilin - she just won the bronze medal in the world championships - has demonstrated her ability."
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
From an online report? YOu believe that?! Oh please! Why be so damn gullible?! Research some more and you'll see an actual documentary from 2002 when Yang Yilin states she's 11; therefore, she'll be 16 this year.
As for He Kexin, if you even take time to research her story, she was later added to the Chinese gymnastic team when another gymnist got injured....
YTsockzAX 3 years ago
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Who said anything about Yang? She looks her age. Anyway, I'm done with you, because you're in denial, lying to yourself, and ignorant. This is old news to me now and Im tired of providing proof aside from the obvious. Funny you can call someone gulliable. Her own government claimed several times she was uneraged genius.
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
YOU DID! Read your post again! hahahah Way to overlook your own comment...
You say I'm indenial. Oh okay! Good one! Atleat I'm not one to be so damn gullible just because some internet document says this and that. Are aliens taking over the world, too?! Oh please! If you think about it, I'm more realistic to not base my opinion by being superficial. Just because someone looks younger or are smaller than others doesn't prove age. That's just ridiculous!
YTsockzAX 3 years ago
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What part of done didn't you get? Their own goverment and newspapers (as I've said several times) claim He Kexin to be uneraged, as do trained scientists. You're so dumb. I won't even bother replying anymore, because excuse me for believing what their own country says about them a year to two years before the Olmypics.LOL. You're embarrassing and making a fool of yourself. I'm not superficial you just can't better defend your claims with the government quotes I have.:) LOL.
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
Oh please, scientist? I'm so dumb? hahahah Are you serious?! OMG, what scientist? They observed only from pictures and actually, how did you know they were 'trained scientist'.
Then again, you seem so gullible that you'd believed anything.
YTsockzAX 3 years ago
i agree. they actually hire a "doctor" to judge the gymnast from a picture/video. it's the same as when the audience look at her. that's why some people think she is younger and others think older.
sunnie123 2 years ago
It's funny when you say you're not superficial... and what 'government' quotes did you find. I bet they're from the internet...hahaha
Do you even understand Chinese?
YTsockzAX 3 years ago
don't bother with that k0ck xucker.
he said trained scientists.
he lists no names of any of the "scientists", with no proven credentials, and none of the "documents" that stated he kexin to be underaged. this mthr fkr has no proof, no evidence.
also, a persons physical appearance is subjective, and genetically, asians do not premature so fast
his basis is irrational
ChineseSe7en 3 years ago
Chinesese7en, thank you for clarifying that but believe it or not, some will actually judge you because of your username. In my case, I got judged because of my interests...
It's almost the same as people judging someone's age by their apperance. It just doesn't PROVE anything!
YTsockzAX 3 years ago
that mthr fkr didn't even get He Kexin's weight right. we can't take any of his words for fact.
ChineseSe7en 3 years ago
their government already said that the journalists made mistakes. u cant believe everything u read in the newspapers. they were proven to be legit not only by their passports now, but along with other documents made by different ministries in China. China is such a big country, its not that hard to find people talented in gymnastics. y would they put themselves down when the world is focused on them? nothing embarassing about YTsockzAX, its just you and your misleading quotes/facts
SoulStealer299 3 years ago
Well they would say that now! They sort of have too, but I don't feel like debating with this old topic. It's over, right? I'm not saying they weren't good, because they all are. I just find it unfair people think being American is the only reason I have a problem with cheating, as if China doesn't kick our butts in gymastics. That's their field. They have more gold medals than any other country, because they're professionists. It's unfair Chinese Americans are quick to look the other way.
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
im not saying that if ur an american ur gonna have a problem with this, nor are u saying that chinese ppl are cheating. i guess its over, but some of this debate is still lingering. im not saying that ur wrong in your opinion in that they are too young either. just that the info u told us are kinda obselete. statistically, when the olympics is held at ur country, you get more medals than you normally get, except for the montreal olympics, we just sucked...
SoulStealer299 3 years ago
Yeah, the judges do play favorites (I think Ksenia Semenova deserved a bronze) based on popular names and what country you're in. I can't wait for it again in 2012.
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
i just cant wait for the 2010 Winter's olympics. thats gonna be in my home town xD and we're gonna frikin' pwn in hockey!! im not sure if the judges play favorites cuz they are all from different countries, but i heard that one of them was watching another competition instead of judging Nastia Liuken, which would suck to be her.
SoulStealer299 3 years ago
I love the ice skating. It's like ballet on skates. Where is it taking place?
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
no im not telling u cuz then u'd know the city i live in lol. jk its in Vancouver. this time, our hockey team better make it to the finals. we got shut down by the Russians last time cuz Todd Bertuzzi was being a dick. we're supposed to be the best, like China is in diving/gymnastics or USA in basketball/swimming. we must win! cuz this is the only thing that we can win in lol.
SoulStealer299 3 years ago
Yeah, everyone knows that Canadians dominate in hockey. That's definitely your territory. The Winter Olympics never seems to get as much attention as the Summer. I guess people are more into the adrenaline you get from track. I was into the Winter Olympics before I liked the Summer one though.
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
its not our territory any more lol. the Russians just killed us in the last olympics and in the world championship. people are more interested in summer olympics cuz they have more events. i think they have around 250 gold medals to hand out while winter's only have 86.
SoulStealer299 3 years ago
OH...well you learn something new everyday.
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
where did you hear it from that the judge is watching another competition. i thought they have playback for the judges to look at as i saw it on tv.
sunnie123 2 years ago
Ksenia's vault wasn't strong enough, for a medal, she is just as tiny as Yilin. She also has made a big name for herself.
emmyjo720 3 years ago
She has? I didn't know. I'm happy for her.
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
Mehrunissah93:
Some Fully Grown Chinese girls at 66 pounds...
Asian physiology is different, and just cause you're surrounded by people eating Big Macs.
ceptryn 3 years ago 8
Actually I defended Usain Bolt when he was accused by some commenter of taking drugs by saying Jamaica doesn't have all the fast food, high cholestrol, heart attack at 12 issues America does. Can you post a link of adults weighing 66 pounds?
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
you should delete Mehrunissah93's anti-chinese comments.
ChineseSe7en 3 years ago
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They aren't anti-Chinese. I'm only talking about the chetear He kexin. I didn't mention anyone else. The minute you call someone out truthfully you're racist. Yeah right. I have no problem with Chinese people at all, so use another lie. When runners are tested for steroids are y'all being anti-American?
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
The only gymnast that I don't buy as a 16 year old is linlin. She's looks smallest in the team (in terms of height and appearance). But no one accused Linlin of being underaged, is it because she did not win any medal?? @_@
losers.
They deserved the medal. Jiang, Yang and kexin definitely looks older than linlin. And the three of them got accused and deng lin lin didnt ?
If linlin is of age, I dont see why the rest of the gymnasts arent.
and people claims I look 13 when i'm actually 15.
fieryace93 3 years ago 2
fieryace94, exactly!!! Linlin looks MUCH younger than He and I'm sure she's not being highly scrutinized or questioned for being underaged for the exact reason you gave....possibly because she didn't win a medal individually!!!
Deng Linlin, Jiang Yuyuan, and Yang Yilin are proven of age because of a documentary they were in that was recorded in 2002. As for He Kexin, she was later picked to learn the uneven bar routine after another gymnist was injured!
YTsockzAX 3 years ago
And oh please, online/internet documents or reports don't count since anyone can write anything online!
YTsockzAX 3 years ago 3
"Until proven...it's all talk!" - Dominque Dawes!
YTsockzAX 3 years ago 3
Okay, but you get the point. I thought the age was 15, but to be safe I said 16.
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
I can't speak Chinese, but people fake passports all the time (to cc213) and the possibility of her being 17 (I've seen millions of 17 year old Chinese people who look much older than her) doesn't mean every member of her team is. Haven't you heard of the Korean gymnast who was 16 for four years?
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
she looked 12 in the video, so i believe that she is 16/17 right now. it may not mean that every member of her team is of the minimum age, but it doesn't mean they are underaged either. people do fake passports, but not all the time. u may have seen millions of 17 year old chinese people who look much older than she does, but i've seen millions of 17 year old chinese people that look younger than she does
SoulStealer299 3 years ago 5
Well, I guess we'll never know, since the I.O.C. aren't allowed to fully investigate.
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
they are allowed to, but they chose not to waste so much time on this. they never really do anything about underaged athletes unless its very obvious, or if it can be confirmed with documents
SoulStealer299 3 years ago
On the news about the Olympics it said they couldn't because of the passports and how it's insulting to accuse them of lying.
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
they could dig deeper than the passports but its really time consuming, and they already saw the passports, the birth certificate and family residence.
SoulStealer299 3 years ago
Whatever the case, nothing can be down about it.
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
im part chinese and i am still skeptical about their ages, but becuz the IOC can't uncover any evidence, we can neither aknowledge or deny their claims.
SoulStealer299 3 years ago
There is some truth to that, but a forensic scientist said how you can tell from the shape of their face and irises that they are most likely under 16, but I think He Kexin is the main one underage.
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
i only suspect He Kexin, i think Jiang Yuyuan and the rest of the team is legit. forensics can tell your age from the shape of your face and iris, but different people age at different speed. and in china, i think there is a contact lense thingy that makes your iris look bigger which is a popular item in china. on top of that, i think that w/o the makeup, they look older than they do with makeup
SoulStealer299 3 years ago
Technically, another Chinese gymnist was training for the 2008 Beijing Olympics specifically for the uneven bars but got injured; therefore, the coaches chose He Kexin to learn the signature routine which was named after the injured gymnist.
Thankfully, He Kexin learned the routine and have received recognition for it. The only person I suspected at first was Deng Linlin (cuz she's so tiny) but she was training with Li & Jiang in this documentary, too. She's also 16 this year!
YTsockzAX 3 years ago
What? You can't possibly prove your argument because a scientist can determine how a person should look at 16 when in reality, there's no way you can tell someone by their age by only looking at them.
I'm 22 and people still think I'm 16!
YTsockzAX 3 years ago
They've provided everything the IOC asked for to prove that the girls are infact of age. It's actually quite ridiculous that people would believe some internet report, yet, have no problem accusing the Chinese gov't for false passports/proofs.
People should just show better sportmanship and give respect towards these Chinese gymnastics team. If people care enough, they should also look at the Japanese gymnastics team who are about the same height and as young lookig as the Chinese team...
YTsockzAX 3 years ago
The only difference is that the Chinese gymnastic team managed the gold while the Japanese gymnastics didn't, respectively.
I'm sure some people would question the Japanese team's age, too, if they won gold. ;)
YTsockzAX 3 years ago 2
The Chinese are known for dominating gymastics. We have no problem losing if it's fair.:) I guess that is why some of us have a problem.
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
What the heck are you talking about? He Kexin is clearly underaged. You want to argue with a college trained professional? That's ridiculous and funny. You can look young w/o having young features, but you clearly can't tell the difference. The IOC isn't fully investigating it and I'm done w/ this, because the they did cheat but nothing can be done, as to not insult the Chinese.
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
He Kexin is clearly the correct age.
And clearly a gold medalist.
ChineseSe7en 3 years ago
LOL. That's all I can say. LOL.
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
He Kexin told President Hu Jintao that she was 16 before the games.
what does this mean to me?
it means i believe every word.
ChineseSe7en 3 years ago
You believe whatever anyone tells you? That makes you gulliable. She has the features of a child and only weighs 66 lbs. No 16 year old weighs that little. Her parents would be locked up fo starvation.
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
you talk about facial features, i don't think an anti-chinese like you is jealous that China won. You are jealous that chinese team is prettier than the american team.
ChineseSe7en 3 years ago 2
LOL. Now you're embarrassing yourself and sounding crazy. Yes, they are many pretty Asians, but that has nothing to do with this. I'm not jealous of anyone or anything. I'm against cheating period. If you condone cheating, because the cheaters are Chinese then you should be ashamed. I'm not anti-Chinese. You have nothing intelligent to say so you want to call me a racist, which I'm not. He Kexin has the face shape of a child, as well as the eyes and weight of a child. LOL. You have no brain.
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
you shouldn't base chinese appearance on an amerikan scale. since when did a persons physical appearance tell a persons age?
ChineseSe7en 3 years ago 4
nobody cheated. why would you still complain?
ChineseSe7en 3 years ago 2
Ukraine, Italy and Demark, just to name a few, were used illegal drugs to which you did not complain. But you singled out China. Is it because they got a medal?
ChineseSe7en 3 years ago 2
I didn't even see a representative from the Ukraine this year or Denmark or Italy for the girls. I didn't hear anyone talk about them using drugs on the news, so how can I comment on something I haven't heard about? Don't try to play some victim card. The honest people who received 2nd, 3rd, and 4th are the victims.
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
That it the fault of your TV network.
emmyjo720 3 years ago
You're not racist but you may be a little too superficial. There is no guideline of how a sixteen year old should look like and it's wrong to consider someones age by their apperance or features.
Heck, I'm 22 and people still mistake me for being 16!!
YTsockzAX 3 years ago 3
Superficial? Excuse me for believing a forensic scientist or having problems with a SIXTEEN YEAR OLD weighing 66 pounds or interview documents of reporters calling her 11 and saying she'd be great in 2012. You can get mistaken as a teen without having the baby round face of a minor or the weight. Do you honestly in your mind believe a normal sixteen can weigh 66 pounds? Seriously.
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
Interview documents?! WHAT?!? You must be kidding me! The only documents/reports people use as 'proof' against these gymnasts are from the internet. That alone isn't valid whatsoever!
YTsockzAX 3 years ago 2
No, in her country, before the Olympics interviewers repoerted her as young as 11. She said she felt the error to small to correct them. However, that wasn't the only interview in her country docummented in magazines, articles, etc. I don't feel like arguing, because you're clearly in denial regardless of the blunt truth.
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
WHAT?! Mehrunissah93, the USA reporters would get that interview and use it at their advantage already instead of some damn online reports! Where did you find that interview and actually, do you even speak Chinese to understand it?
I think it's complete BS!!!
YTsockzAX 3 years ago
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They could also use her being an unnatural weight, their immature irises, and teeth as proof, but they didn't.:) It's an insult to accuse them because they had fake passports legitifying them as 16. I'm so done with you. A file dated in 2006 He Kexin was born in 1994, January. A China Daily newspaper said in the official English language of Chinese government May 23rd she was 14. Continued below I have another piece of proof.:) After this I'm done with your in denial.:)
Mehrunissah93 3 years ago
IS there a guideline of how a 16 year old's features should lok like?! At 16, I looked like I was 12 and at 22 now, people think I'm 21! You can't look at these girls superficially and guess on their age based on how long and how small they may look. That's ridiculous! Why question them?! Seriously, research past Asian gymnasts and even look up the Japanese gymnastic team. They are THE SAME as the Chinese, yet, noone questions them because they didn't manage the gold.
YTsockzAX 3 years ago
I'm 22 now and people think I'm 16!***** Oops, typo! hahah That's proof that the internet are bound to make errors!
YTsockzAX 3 years ago
People need to show better sportmanship and respect, the same they are showing the USA gymnastic team. Isn't that what the Olympics is all about? I truly feel sorry for the Chinese gymnists who is over-scrutinized because they 'look young' and that they aren't the same size as their competitors.
What's worst is that people question the Chinese gov't when their own (as other world gov't) are far from perfect. Aren't all passports provided by the gov't?! I just don't get that argument...
YTsockzAX 3 years ago
Fake passports? you speak if nonsense. Have you seen them?, are you a super spy? Your accusations have nothing to back them up. what about those newspaper articles saying their 14, couldn't they just as well be fake.
mimtha 3 years ago
Have you seen Ksenia Semenova of Russia ? Who is also tiny and very, very light, and was 15 in Bejing.. He Kexin wasn't even on the original team, she was a substitute. You don't fake official documents in China, you don't fake your age on passports it is very dangerous.
emmyjo720 3 years ago 6
aw so baby cute!
allenadaneele707 3 years ago 2
this video can proof that Jian Yuyuan is already over 16 year-old in 2008. Information given that this video took in 2003, and in the video, Jian ssid she was 12 year-old at that time, and after 5 years,, she is 17 year-old in 2008 beijing olympic. why so many people have to argue about that,, their passport already proof they are oven 16 year-old!!!!!!!
cc213 3 years ago 2
wow - angry little euro douche
wkwickham 3 years ago
where is this video taken from?
vickiez 3 years ago
i see - and can you name one tall gymnast? - no? whats a matter ? don't you know this? i mean do they teach you anything over there?
can you name one heavy gymnast? no?
can you name one older gymnast? - say older than 17? no?
dumbass
wkwickham 3 years ago
Sorry if I sound rude, but Cheng Fei is 20. O.o It is rare though to see older gymnasts. There's also that one 33 year old gymnast on the German team for the olympics.
yinghua14 3 years ago
Nastia Luikin
Svetlana Khorkina
Alicia Sacremone
Jade Barbosa
Sandra Isbaza
These are all tall gymnasts, 5'4 is tall for a gymnast.. Heaviness makes a gymnast more prone to injury.. There are few heavy sprinters, swimmers, tennis players either that have any success
emmyjo720 3 years ago
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have you ever seen a 20 yr old gymnast? how about one 6ft tall or even 5ft?
being small gives you an enormous advantage - and yes, there is a reason why the chinese are sneaking underage girls in - these same girls will be long gone by the next olympics and a new batch of 12 yr olds smuggled in
wkwickham 3 years ago
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continued)rising star and if she was 17 she wouldn't be china's youngest star because there are younger chinese girls in the olympics that they call 'their backup star' and stuff like that. she is like 8 there so if you dont believe me then dont but its true so ur loss
yayme42 3 years ago
You gotta be blind if you think she looks 8 in that picture.
ceptryn 3 years ago
no..... u just have to be smart. wow ur so tough ur name is 'ceptryn' ur 25 and ur fighting with an 12 year old. yet im winning and im smarter apparently she's obviously 8 so don't argue anymore
yayme42 3 years ago
asians look younger than they actually are ^^ I'm 16 although people claims i'm 13 for a weird reason -_-;
asians are much smaller in size. Jiang yuyuan's now 17 and she's not small, she's taller than me. (:
gymmingz 2 years ago 6
@gymmingz
Yeah it's not exactly the greatest thing to look younger when you're a teenager. Look where it's landed China's women's team. Accusations flying in the air.
I'm 20 and apparently I look 16 :(
We just have younger looking faces, it doesn't really have to do with height all the time.
ruchieru 2 years ago
@ruchieru
Could be worse, my voice sounded as if my balls haven't dropped.
iamhungey12345 1 year ago
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this is fake. not fake but she is 13 now. let me explain. she can't be 12 there, she did have the intention of going to the olympics when she was 13 or 12 and they let her fake this. if this interview is in 2003 she would be 17 now. when they show her score in the olympics it says age: 16. so why would they write age 16 instead of 17? i will tell you why because the chinese government had planned for her in the olympics after hearing about her. also they call her china's youngest (continued
yayme42 3 years ago
she's like 8? you're like dumb. I am an american...but only Deng Linlin looks 14. Even He Kexin looks 15-16 - you can see by the face. the thing is, He Kexin is probably turning 15 on Jan 1 2009, which means, she too, is 14, exactly 366 days too young to compete.
Jiang Yuyuan is older. That's really not in question by the New York Times or China Daiily News Reports, only hear-say.
nickschuyler 3 years ago
?? r u agreeing? u sound like u are in the middle
yayme42 3 years ago
Why did the chinese government train a girl that not reach the standard of the Olympics? Every girls start the training since they were still young, all of them start form zero. So, if they are under aged, why doesn't the government choose someone elder?
Many Chinese look younger then there real age. I am now 21 but peopel said that I look like 17!
You got the right to not believe us, but how can you doubt IOC?
j19870524 3 years ago 2
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have you ever seen a 20 yr old gymnast? how about one 6ft tall or even 5ft?
being small gives you an enormous advantage - and yes, there is a reason why the chinese are sneaking underage girls in - these same girls will be long gone by the next olympics and a new batch of 12 yr olds smuggled in
wkwickham 3 years ago
my mom looks 15 but shes 42....... not amazing 4 year difference for u
yayme42 3 years ago
This video is taken in 2003.
What is your name? My name is Jiang Yuyuan
How old are you? 12
How long have you been training? Almost 8 to 9 years.
Where do you come from? Sichuan Guangxi
How long do you train everyday? 5 to 6 hours
etc etc.
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ceptryn 3 years ago