Some Cool Ushiro Kokyu Nage Techniques

[santa3322400]

This is IrimiNage not KokiuNage from UshiroRioteDori

[benluchs]

Thanks for the inspiration of "cool" as a category for aikido-techniques! All the haters talk about realistic or correct, or whatever, discussing, arguing and telling that their own way of doing aikido is the best. Let's just say it's cool and practice!

[Unoke100]

Hm ... As for me, it's still a little too fast, haha xD but I can always catch something: 3 Only ... how Tori caught in a wave of uke's hand? I can not see o__O .... xD

Hm... Jak dla mnie to i tak trochę za szybko, haha xD no ale zawsze mogę coś wyłapać :3 Tylko... jak Tori chwycił w 1 rzucie dłon uke? o__O nie moge dostrzec.... xD

[39Kamal]

That's bad dude

[hunPETERxXx]

Sorry, this is not iriminage?

[TheRogueMonk]

why dont you guys make more... i really need help with iriminage techniques!

also shomenuchi iriminage entering from evade of the uchi.

[KituKitu111]

Lol It is not Kokyu nage. Its iriminage.

[xxxandreexxx15]

yes..

[Weston1968]

Agreed!

[aikifan77]

Dragonre ... I agree with you on the aspect of putting your own arme behind you and the havig it taken advantage of but the point is that balance is supposed to be totally corrupted at that point and uke should be struggling to simply upright himself. It's not shown on this clip as these guys are pants ... but uke should have no way of taking advantage at that point. Also these techniques are only exercises to learn proper movement, they're not practical

[vulgarian37]

Note the word "slow" in the video description, this footage is not at full speed so the actions are happening much faster than you are seeing them. The point is to be able to see the technique properly.

[mcgocken]

Hakama is also used to conceal footwork. Wich does not go well with training. The instructor needs to see if youre doing it right.

[DragonRe]

Thank you for posting this video. I enjoyed watching these techniques. They appear rather smooth and look fun to do. I realize that not all technique is meant to be performed directly in self defense, but in each of these it seems a very silly thing to be giving up your back. Anyone remotely competent would take advantage of that.

[coldassassin15]

hey! in our dojo, hakama's are being used by those higher belts!! isn't it a form of discrimination among lower belts?? i do respect sensei's instruction.

[Raxqorz]

hakama's were used in the old days to not dirt down their training pants when training outside...

[Gattawon]

hakama was also used becuase the gi is was considered "underwear" and O Sensei would never train anyone in their underwear. some dojos require all women to wear hakama; in others you earn the right to wear hakama when you get to a certain kyu level.

[ChadMaestro]

All I see was 4 irimi-nage and one fail kaiten, not really much to see.

[LordCorwin45]

I agree with you.

[sgdias]

Those are Irimi Nage and Kaiten Nage

[bryhykr]

ya.. in my dojo you didn wear a hakima till 1st dan...

[bushin64]

bryhykr - I have been an aikidoka since 1991 and have worn a hakama since day 1. O-Sensei once scolded my senior instructor, Mitsugi Saotome Shihan for not being dressed for class when he did not wear his hakama. I also study Katori Shinto Ryu under Phill Relnik Sensei. I have worn a hakama for KSR since day 1. Hakama is just pants. For some reason aikidoka started associating rank with hakama. I suggest you read "In the Dojo" by Dave Lowry which addresses alot of history in martial arts.

[undonetobin]

i hoped u thanked uke for being so nice lol

[johnmatsson]

Yep, iriminages and a kaitennage

[Polonium36]

indeed

[douglasfajardog]

samurai what is your rank a mean (kyu)

them I WIL TELL YOU WHAT I THINK

[Samurai314]

at the time the both of us were fifth kyu

[SeagullSte]

fifth kyu with akama?re u sure?

[stephen182006]

Hakamas for the present view is just for black belts but, Hakama in O'Sensei's time is required to even join the class, for O'Sensei "No Hakama no class", the true meaning of hakama is not the superiority of the black belt, instead it signifies what qualities a Aikidoka must have! Most school are clouded that you must wear a Hakama when you are a black belt! it is simply wrong! it is disrespect for the lower belts! lower belts also do has qualities of a true Aikidoka!

[adricgardner]

While it is true that Hakamas are simply used to signify that a person is simply an aikidoka and not a master. A person is usually considered an Aikidoka upon attainment of their Shodan (translation - first step) which is the 'black belt' step. As such Hakamas were used to signify that an individual had completed basic training (the kyus) and had BEGUN their Study of Aikido. This is not disrespectful to those who are not udansha. There are however styles that treat this differently

[stephen182006]

Yes, some styles really treat this differently.

[masashi01]

@Samurai314 they are fifth kyu and they are wearing the Hakama ? No way... __-'

[Snakeguevara]

That wasn't kokyu nage!

[rollingbrick]

Depending on the style, it could be called kokyunage or iriminage.

[Snakeguevara]

K, it's iriminage in mine, thanks

[rollingbrick]

Thanks to you, too. Helps to know we're talking the same language & on the same page.

[adriro]

all i saw was iriminage and your posture sucks!!!

[Aur0rah]

I just love it, Nage is realy having the heavenly form :D so inspirational..

for being young this was awsome!

[kengyusei]

Aikidance

[rodrigo1508]

My sensei always says "everything is kokyu" or "everything becomes kokyu" apparently this was also said by kobayashi sensei

[Drufgingsta]

Okay... I do kobayashi aikido, too, but I did'd know that... sorry

[Drufgingsta]

all these technics are irimi nage... the last technic is a kaiten nage!!! no kokyu nage!!!!

[Drufgingsta]

i'm sorry, the second last technic is a kaiten nage!

[sidneycool]

Iriminage is called Kokyunage in some styles. I train in the Ki Fed of Great Britian and our syllabus lists Iriminage as Kokyunage. Iriminage is another throw entirely - I know that this isn't classically how Ueshiba taught it (he clearly demonstrates it as Iriminage in his teachings). See "Aikido and the Dynamic Sphere" for the discrepancies between Ueshiba's base and Tohei's derivative.

[Samurai314]

Let me thank you for your comment I was simply taught this way and posted it on the internet similarly under this title. If you look at the other videos I posted you will see a laundry list of comments regarding "syntax" errors in my titling abilities. All in all though I look at it as semantics and still hope for people to post a comment regarding criticism over the application of the techniques in the videos. thanks for the comment again

[sidneycool]

No problem - just annoying see some people dismissing the naming of the techniques as bad aiki education. It is a nice demonstration of the tenkans especially in these techniques, though. Keep up the good work.

[sisabra]

Apprendez L'aikido- 1983 (with christian tissier) has some irimi forms followed at about 01.20 by some kokyu forms. it is worth looking at some of his to see the differences, much easier than explaining. Check out the various doshu films on youtube, some excellent kokyu forms in there. if i find a really good one i'll forward it

[TheAluc]

nice flow

[kikkoro33]

you saw it once? where? its only irimi here

[Kayfahaluk]

Kokyu nage is the second last moves..of this video clip

[Samurai314]

What makes the second to last technique kokyu nage? Is it also kaiten nage? Why aren't all of them kokyu techniques

[Aikidomo]

@Samurai314 Just picked it up, Ki No Nagari Kokyu nage is what you are doing here.

I do not normally post on here because of the negative and ignorant comments but you are going to be fine in time my freind.

[kuzosama]

=__= Okay, I give up, it's not my fault if you fail your tests though.

[Samurai314]

I'm not sure what branch I study off of, but I was emailing this guy who does ikikai in the Czech Republic, and to make a long story short, I think you are right, my bad

[kuzosama]

I just watched the whole of it. I can only see the kokyunage once. >_< Most of it is iriminage.

[Samurai314]

ok, i see your point, however it is still the same case of defining the technique. "kokyu nage" translates into "breath throw" which can be defined as any projection which lacks a joint lock. These techniques therefore can be most clearly defined as the uke performing a "ushiro katate ryotedori" technique and the nage (tori) is performing a variation of a "kokyu nage"

[kuzosama]

isn't that irimi? fool. 0___o And don't tell me it's at the end. I'm too lazy to load it. Crop it or something.