Great video. My only wish is that you ran a test using conventional hard drives since that's what most people use. I'd like to see if the speed limits of the rotating platters bottleneck USB transfer to the point of eliminating any advantages of 3.0 over 2.0. Some thoughts:
1) I also NEVER got Firewire to work on any PC or external hard drive. Connections often dropped mid-transfer.
2) The small Firewire port is mostly used by camcorders.
3) eSATA may beat USB3 because USB relies on the CPU?
For some reason, my Corsair R500 has a Fire-wire port on the front of it, why would you put a basically dead almost entirely apple interface on the front of a brand new case? They should have given me a esata port, or USB 2 ports.
Hello, im wondering if i can plug a usb 2.0 device into a usb 3.0 port? I only have 1 usb2.0 and 1 usb 3.0 port on the front of my case. I would like to plug in a controller and a headset in to these ports.
I have a unique question. I am running a full sized 6850 in my motherboard. My mobo is a micro ATX because I dont have the sense to save $50 to buy a full sized one. Anyways, I can't put a usb 3.0 card into my motherboard because the 6850 blocks the PCI ports. So do they make something like a front USB 3.0 thing that would go where an optical drive goes and plugs into the usb outlets on the mobo?
@threadysparrow . a f f o r d a b l e c u s t o m p c .c o m USB 3.0 hear is a list of the devices you are looking for w w w.n e w e g g .com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007766%20600148671&IsNodeId=1&srchInDesc=3.0%20usb&name=USB%203.0&ActiveSearchResult=True&Pagesize=20 if you have any more ? fill free to contact me
Right, so they had a drive with FireWire 800 ports but decided not to use them in their test? Sounds legit. It's not all that expensive to get a FireWire 800 PCI card if your system doesn't have them.
@pcfreak1992 Windows has pretty craptacular FireWire drivers. They were pretty good in XP, but since Vista they've reduced a lot of the support (like networking for example) and the transfer speeds are a hell of a lot slower. You need to make it use the legacy driver if you want decent speeds under Windows Vista or 7, or install some third party drivers. FireWire 400 kills USB 2.0 with decent drivers under Windows, it completely destroys it (and 800 more so) on Macs though, for obvious reasons.
@filmftw3 potentially USB 3 is faster than Esata but as far as I'm aware the sata interface on the hard drive itself will throttle the USB 3 speeds, thus limiting its potential.
You should not use the microsoft windows 7 default driver for 1394(firewire) to use external storage on some chips (if not most as it has not been updated since vista RC's) you need the vendor's or other third party drivers to get the most of your FW equipment on windows vista and seven.
Why are USB 3.0 ports not present on your new machines?
Admit there is a problem with the headphone jacks on the MBPs, Admit there are problems with the iPhone 4 antennas and the 4s battery. Stop releasing expensive, 'high class' products without thorough testing first.
@freshgino No USB 3.0 is because Intel don't support it on their chipsets. Ivy Bridge will, but right now, not a single Intel chipset does. What's wrong with the headphone jacks? I've never had of heard of any issues. There's nothing wrong with the iPhone 4 antenna, if where was, how come the "issue" people complained about somehow magically fixed itself despite apparently being a "hardware flaw"? The 4S battery is an issue, they've admitted as much and are working on fixes.
I find it funny that Apple, who is known to bring innovations to the computer world, is really slow at incorporating USB 3.0 into their laptops.
I know that they like to focus on the firewire protocol and their recent "thunderbolt" technology, but common Apple, you were the first to get rid of the floppy drive, not to mention giving the boot to the much-beloved CD drive! So many innovations, but are you now too preoccupied to continue to advance computing in our world?
@freshgino USB 3.0 has also had a poor take up due to the lack of fully compliant controllers. There's only a few that are fully certified and even they have questionable performance. I often get better speeds over FireWire 800 than USB 3.0, how's that work? Also, like I said in the other reply, their support is reliant 100% on Intel implementing it in their chipsets. Intel will implement it properly for starters, and it means they don't have to use an extra chip that wastes space on the board.
Most pro audio gear uses Firewire due to, as I understand it, USB speeds being dependant on the number of USB connections being used(?) which isn't helpful for recording multi-tracked audio.
Interested to know if USB 3 has the same issue, if in fact that is the case with USB...
i love your video and i like your comparisons with the speed. but firewire i find to be pretty fast so i don't under stand the problem u r facing.u proably need 2 get a firewire external only and check compatibility with windows 7 and give firewire a chance to run the race!
@Langben121 My guess is the absolutely pathetic default drivers Windows 7 ships with. They're abysmal. You should force it to use legacy for install third party ones if you're using FireWire devices on Windows. Nothing but problems with the defaults in my experience.
Irrelevant when 90% of users still have moving parts for the HDD. Just a thought for those techno junkies. Before you run out and grab it up and wonder why it isn't fast.
@lilHippo Macs use FireWire 800, and have for years. I've NEVER seen 800 on any PC motherboard apart from the expensive Xeon workstations from HP and Dell and so on. I have no idea why, 400 is ancient now, it's older than USB 2.0 by a fair bit (and still faster). FireWire also has the advantage of being able to daisy chain devices. I run 3 external hard drives from one FireWire 800 port on my Mac with no issues. I could run more if I wanted too.
I wonder if this means I could finally find a way to install windows straight onto (and boot from) an external drive without taking a big performance hit using USB 3.0. USB 2.0 bottle necked it, there was a few workarounds that are fairly difficult and it was around 1/2 the speed and only worked on the system you did the install on. If anyone knows please send me a PM.
@dennisjonkristensen Because they want to monopolize their technology and not but anyone else's (except Intel) technology inside their machines so they can completely control the market. Which is why many dislike Apple. They're banking on Thunderbolt to be their USB 3.0. But once again, they're trying to run in too many races and in this one, they've fallen behind.
@dennisjonkristensen You've obviously not used it much then if you're saying that. I connect 3 external hard drives from a single FireWire 800 port and get far better transfer speeds than USB, which when you're moving a lot of data is a god send. USB is terrible for storage devices because it's all software controlled, which is why it bogs down when moving a bunch of smaller files. It uses up CPU cycles too, but modern CPU's don't get hit that hard thankfully. Back in the day though... lol
@TheDJGabizz My old acer laptop had firewire. Windows XP Pro allowed you to connect 2 devices as network devices via firewire. VIsta on they remove it for some reason. Very fast transfer.
@3628800258 Windows 7 can use it as well but using and getting depends on Intel since Thunderbolt is more or less a replacement for Firewire, I doubt Intel will add it to compete with another of it's co-developed products - USB. Price also depends on the grade of wire used in the cables. Cat6 cables are much more expensive than Cat5 but they're also faster.
Sorry if someone has already asked this question. If you have a USB 2.0 port, would USB 3.0 work in that port, just limited to the capability of the USB 2.0 speeds? And when you say USB 3.0 is "backwards capatible" I believe you are saying a USB 3.0 will accept a USB 2.0, but what about the reverse?
@sparkledoodle44 first question: Yes it is possible for a 3.0 conection to work on a 2.0 port. The speed will be the 2.0 one.
Second question: a usb 2.0 will acept a 3.0 conection, but as said before, the speeds will be limited to the 2.0 speed (480mb/s).
This is valid for the "standart A type usb conection. The B type conector(used alot in printers for example) will not fit physicaly the 2.0 B conector.
3.0 conectors uses 5 more pins to transfer data, apart from the four previously on the 2.0 models. Also micro usb conectors will be diferent (and uglier in my opinion) from the previous 2.0 conectrors, just so they can acomodate the 5 "new" pins.
@Blatenly FIrewire or i.Link or IEEE 1394 was on market since 1995 so it's funny compare it with USB 3.0. In that time we would compare with USB 1 with speed of 12Mbit/s, Firewire has 400Mbit/s. Cable used it this video is Firewire 400, there is also Firewire 800 and it's speed is 800Mbit/s, USB 2.0 has 480Mbit/s. Mac's in these days are using Thunderbolt which has 20Gbit/s. FYI eSata internal has 6Gbit/s and USB 3.0 4Gbit/s.
does anyone else have the issue with Windows / PC .. where your USB 2.0 ports eventually get slow and you get the error "try connecting to a USB 2.0 port " when all ports used to be USB 2.0?
How big is that TV/Monitor, and what resolution are you using? Looks like a fairly large one (Resolution), which leads me to believe it was pretty expensive... :o
I have 2.0, Firewall and eSata. I installed a eSata card in my computer but I have a hard time getting my Lacie External drives to connect fast and stay connect in a stable way. Kept dropping connection. I switched to Firewire 800 and got a slower connection speed but barely noticed and the connection was stable... NOW I'm thinking should I go to USB 3.0....
@FiFAViDZ4You on a device or your PC? If it's blue it's USB 3.0, in your pc or device. IF it's black it's most likely 2.0/esata combo/1.1 (will be very old if it's USB 1.1).
@FiFAViDZ4You Well unless you bought your PC before the year 2000 then your almost guaranteed to have 2.0 since 2.0 is a standard and even if you got it recently (after 2008) your probably going to have 2.0 since 3.0 isn't quite as popular among companies yet :)
That enclosure will bottleneck the usb 3.0, because of the s-ata connection on the harddrive inside. Should have tested an USB 3.0 flash drive, if you wanted to compare interfaces. Neat video though.
Intel's thunderbolt I/O transfers 650mb a second. Blows all of this crap outta the water. And of course all the new macs come loaded with it. Windows and pc can suck a fart outta my ass... Lol
Intel's thunderbolt I/O transfers 650mb a second. Blows all of this crap outta the water. And of course all the new macs come loaded with it. Windows and pc can suck a fart outta my ass... Lol
I bought a USB 3.0 flash drive today to put my music on. The transfer rate was a 10MB/s WTF! I was expecting at least 500. Anybody have any ideas why? I updated my drivers. I have a Asus Maximus IV Extreme MOBO.
I have to chime in here to state that Firewire *is* considerably faster, for one reason: latency.
The actor claims that the speed differential between small file copies was likely due to "handling the files differently" by the different interfaces. This may be somewhat correct, but we'll never know. 2 factors contribute to external drive speed: latency, and buffer flushing. (continued above...)
Realtime buffer flushing allows a drive to be removed at any time by pulling the cable (USB, Firewire, eSATA). This needs to be checked to ensure each drive is set to the same settings, as they may be different, depending on the version of Windows, the driver settings, or the particular chipset capabilities. Without assurance that they are the same, these tests are not valid.
While the bandwidth of the interface (FW400-400Mbps, USB2-480Mbps, FW800-800Mbps, eSATA2-3000Mbps, USB3-4800Mbps, eSATA3-6000Mbps, Thunderbolt-20,000Mbps) tells you the maximum sustained transfer for a stream of data, it's the latency that determines how fast you talk back and forth.
If you could pitch baseballs to a catcher continuously, the number of balls/sec arriving at the catcher is the bandwidth. The time it takes to throw to the catcher, and have the catcher throw it back to the pitcher, is the latency. You can see how this affects communication; bandwidth is most relevant for 1-way data streaming (large file copy), but latency governs how fast the balls can be exchanged.
Larger latency interfaces effectively put the pitcher farther away from the catcher. This affects small data transfer the most, since the time required to communicate back and forth becomes the deciding factor in overall "speed" rather than how fast the data can be sent.
Latency is not fixed and is implementation dependant, but generally in this order: USB2/3-1-2ms, FW400/800, 0.1-0.2ms, eSATA3/6-unknown but in nanoseconds, Thunderbolt-0.000008ms
@Ripafartstudios your retarded, what does your over priced shitty Intel computer have anything to do with transfer speeds... i paid 900 bucks for my computer and it will do everything yours can
for my computer itt took 14 hours to download 6gb and you say 23 seconds is a lot
SuperMagicClan 3 days ago
@SuperMagicClan its not downloading its copying did you watch this video at all?
0zfer 2 days ago
@SuperMagicClan Download and Transfer is different things
RaccoonsStudios 2 days ago
@SuperMagicClan Fucking trash, rofl.
ZuluagaSD 2 days ago
I looked for this information for a good 15 minutes. Exactly what I was looking for, thanks NCIX!
Br1an428 4 days ago
Great video. My only wish is that you ran a test using conventional hard drives since that's what most people use. I'd like to see if the speed limits of the rotating platters bottleneck USB transfer to the point of eliminating any advantages of 3.0 over 2.0. Some thoughts:
1) I also NEVER got Firewire to work on any PC or external hard drive. Connections often dropped mid-transfer.
2) The small Firewire port is mostly used by camcorders.
3) eSATA may beat USB3 because USB relies on the CPU?
lgbtTV4 4 days ago
thunderbolt?
Federico84 6 days ago
lol usb 3 copies 5% faster on all my computers and drives, esata is the fastest for me.
REPOMAN24722 1 week ago
he has the smallest mic EVAR!!!! lolnope
LunchTableGaming 1 week ago
For some reason, my Corsair R500 has a Fire-wire port on the front of it, why would you put a basically dead almost entirely apple interface on the front of a brand new case? They should have given me a esata port, or USB 2 ports.
seroyer2 2 weeks ago
Hello, im wondering if i can plug a usb 2.0 device into a usb 3.0 port? I only have 1 usb2.0 and 1 usb 3.0 port on the front of my case. I would like to plug in a controller and a headset in to these ports.
Mattertron1979 2 weeks ago
@Mattertron1979 you can because usb 3.0 has backwards compatability
Hsimmson 2 weeks ago
@Mattertron1979
Yes, any USB 2.0 device can be plugged into a USB 3.0 port.
jcvjcvjcvjcv 2 weeks ago
@jcvjcvjcvjcv I tried that once and my computer short-circuited.
SondreFilms 2 weeks ago
@SondreFilms
I am not talking about rip-off cables that are not made to spec.
jcvjcvjcvjcv 1 week ago
thumbs up if u thought it was a woman talking at first
dmoneyitg 2 weeks ago
can i plug and still use my usb 2.0 devices in a 3.0 port?
gadgetgeek1000 2 weeks ago
@gadgetgeek1000 Yes you can (:
AddictionToBass 2 weeks ago
Clean finger nails.. I like that
neg1990 3 weeks ago
I have a unique question. I am running a full sized 6850 in my motherboard. My mobo is a micro ATX because I dont have the sense to save $50 to buy a full sized one. Anyways, I can't put a usb 3.0 card into my motherboard because the 6850 blocks the PCI ports. So do they make something like a front USB 3.0 thing that would go where an optical drive goes and plugs into the usb outlets on the mobo?
threadysparrow 3 weeks ago
@threadysparrow
You do have the USB 3.0 internal header?
jcvjcvjcvjcv 3 weeks ago
@jcvjcvjcvjcv what's that? i probably dont have it
threadysparrow 3 weeks ago
@threadysparrow
19-pin connector on your motherboard.
What motherboard does your PC have?
jcvjcvjcvjcv 3 weeks ago
@jcvjcvjcvjcv m2n78-LA
threadysparrow 3 weeks ago
@threadysparrow
Forget it: no USB 3.0 on that board.
If you want USB 3.0 you should get a PCI-e x1 card.
But for external HDD I would just get an eSata bracket.
jcvjcvjcvjcv 2 weeks ago
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@threadysparrow . a f f o r d a b l e c u s t o m p c .c o m USB 3.0 hear is a list of the devices you are looking for w w w.n e w e g g .com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007766%20600148671&IsNodeId=1&srchInDesc=3.0%20usb&name=USB%203.0&ActiveSearchResult=True&Pagesize=20 if you have any more ? fill free to contact me
affordablecustompc 2 weeks ago
6:57 haha
oddballo 3 weeks ago
He looks like paul scholes!
unlimitedhackin 3 weeks ago
this guy is cute. is he gay / single : )
danielwrightt 4 weeks ago
@danielwrightt he has a wife dumbass
SirChildrenEater 3 weeks ago
@danielwrightt He's quite married...
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Can you insert a usb2.0 in usb3.0 & work with it to a usb 2.0 speed ?
KEEVVY 1 month ago
@KEEVVY yes
GraphicDevotee 1 month ago
@KEEVVY if u plug USB 2 into USB 3 it goes at USB 2 speed (to my knowledge)
JMR120600 1 month ago
Right, so they had a drive with FireWire 800 ports but decided not to use them in their test? Sounds legit. It's not all that expensive to get a FireWire 800 PCI card if your system doesn't have them.
TalesOfWar 1 month ago
Thanks! This help me decide not to invest in USB 3.0 yet. Going with a ESATA external HD case.
ShawnTRD 1 month ago
"What-a gonna do" *Get at me look*
Balverine115 1 month ago
so thats what that weird port is on my computer that ill never use (eSata)
ABCLockwood 1 month ago
THERE IS NO 8:26!!!
Ga2be 1 month ago 2
@Ga2be clap...clap...clap...clap
Decko45 1 month ago
the porno music never gets old
1000milesinmyshoes 1 month ago
This test is useless, you should have use total commander, or anything but this.
dorinvladstefan 1 month ago
Awesome demo.
mac363 1 month ago
HDD VS USB 2.0
thesancezzz 1 month ago
i think i know why your firewire didn't work: Acomdata.
dliriumtrigger 1 month ago
It's probably because of Windows, because FireWire always worked for me on my Mac :)
Except for that none of the results surprised me..
pcfreak1992 1 month ago
@pcfreak1992 Windows has pretty craptacular FireWire drivers. They were pretty good in XP, but since Vista they've reduced a lot of the support (like networking for example) and the transfer speeds are a hell of a lot slower. You need to make it use the legacy driver if you want decent speeds under Windows Vista or 7, or install some third party drivers. FireWire 400 kills USB 2.0 with decent drivers under Windows, it completely destroys it (and 800 more so) on Macs though, for obvious reasons.
TalesOfWar 1 month ago
@TalesOfWar that's true but people still use FireWire on their Windows machines. A friend of mine works with studio sound systems on FireWire..
pcfreak1992 1 month ago
Results:
6:15
Esata is the fastest, USB3.0 almost as fast as esata and USB2.0 is 3x slower than either of those other two.
filmftw3 1 month ago
@filmftw3 potentially USB 3 is faster than Esata but as far as I'm aware the sata interface on the hard drive itself will throttle the USB 3 speeds, thus limiting its potential.
Hirotoro4692 1 month ago
does usb 3.0 wire works with usb 2.0
scottwilliam9 1 month ago
@scottwilliam9 it does! the beauty of usb 3.0 is you can still take your drive round to your friends house and play music through his USB 2.0!
Hirotoro4692 1 month ago
4:09 That's what she said.
Steetoh 1 month ago
Oh, hi Linus.
giorgiv18 1 month ago
what is the megabyte per second speed on esata and usb3.0??
dawiedude89 1 month ago
You are so concerned about speed and you're using Windows...
iviarko 1 month ago
So under what conditions would USB 3 be 10 times faster than USB 2? The best that USB 3 manages in these tests is 3 times USB 2.
ImpossibleNews 1 month ago
pls. make a WiFi vs Wired (speed test)
legalnoise 2 months ago
@legalnoise
he did
TheKingofskull92 2 months ago
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legalnoise 2 months ago
i don't understand any of this..... but then again, I've seen boobs IRL so I win
ACLTwitch 2 months ago
geek
bolkaa 2 months ago
THANKS TO SHARE THIS VIDEO :) :) :) USB 3.0 AND eSATA, VERY FAST
hiteshchawla007008 2 months ago
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JannisHornfeck 2 months ago
5:20 Speed Test
jishan22 2 months ago
it sounds like you did this entire presentation in one breath, after inhaling a giant helium balloon.
jjcollura 2 months ago
you make my 2.0 sad :(
socool192645 2 months ago
USB 2.0 vs 3.0 is like SLOW vs FAST. USB 2.0 is just incredibly slooow.
Matticitt 2 months ago
man you have very annoying voice
vdz89 2 months ago
34 people are still using firewire
guitarhero1777 2 months ago 33
@guitarhero1777 firewire is faster than usb 2.0 idiot trol'd
3628800258 1 month ago
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mrwashur1991 1 month ago
TQVM!!!
mycorpora 2 months ago
You should not use the microsoft windows 7 default driver for 1394(firewire) to use external storage on some chips (if not most as it has not been updated since vista RC's) you need the vendor's or other third party drivers to get the most of your FW equipment on windows vista and seven.
judgen 2 months ago
...if adding more "connectors" into the usb port then why don't they just add 20?
YuuExussum 2 months ago
I like tests like this.
rrose2009 3 months ago 13
"It's not quite the 10 X speed that's advertised"... ummm understatement of the fucking year!
Gerrrry 3 months ago 2
@freshgino
[_]Apple
[_]advancing computing
Choose one.
Marci124 3 months ago
6:44 .. wutcha gonna do??
mingyee 3 months ago
Junior, lay off the sugar pops! U R 2 HYPER!
dudeboy59 3 months ago
Why are USB 3.0 ports not present on your new machines?
Admit there is a problem with the headphone jacks on the MBPs, Admit there are problems with the iPhone 4 antennas and the 4s battery. Stop releasing expensive, 'high class' products without thorough testing first.
freshgino 3 months ago
@freshgino No USB 3.0 is because Intel don't support it on their chipsets. Ivy Bridge will, but right now, not a single Intel chipset does. What's wrong with the headphone jacks? I've never had of heard of any issues. There's nothing wrong with the iPhone 4 antenna, if where was, how come the "issue" people complained about somehow magically fixed itself despite apparently being a "hardware flaw"? The 4S battery is an issue, they've admitted as much and are working on fixes.
TalesOfWar 1 month ago
I find it funny that Apple, who is known to bring innovations to the computer world, is really slow at incorporating USB 3.0 into their laptops.
I know that they like to focus on the firewire protocol and their recent "thunderbolt" technology, but common Apple, you were the first to get rid of the floppy drive, not to mention giving the boot to the much-beloved CD drive! So many innovations, but are you now too preoccupied to continue to advance computing in our world?
freshgino 3 months ago
@freshgino USB 3.0 has also had a poor take up due to the lack of fully compliant controllers. There's only a few that are fully certified and even they have questionable performance. I often get better speeds over FireWire 800 than USB 3.0, how's that work? Also, like I said in the other reply, their support is reliant 100% on Intel implementing it in their chipsets. Intel will implement it properly for starters, and it means they don't have to use an extra chip that wastes space on the board.
TalesOfWar 1 month ago
fuck off
alextex27 3 months ago
Thanks for the comparison, your presentation was good.
hpmika 3 months ago
Wheres the sound?
sergeylovesjesus 3 months ago
An improvement would have been not having to safely remove your usb drive :P
underthenumber 3 months ago
What if i connect a usb2.0 hd to my usb/esata port? Is it faster than 2.0 -- 2.0?
Thanks in advance
SODrefixer 3 months ago
Most pro audio gear uses Firewire due to, as I understand it, USB speeds being dependant on the number of USB connections being used(?) which isn't helpful for recording multi-tracked audio.
Interested to know if USB 3 has the same issue, if in fact that is the case with USB...
ashkariuk 3 months ago
i love your video and i like your comparisons with the speed. but firewire i find to be pretty fast so i don't under stand the problem u r facing.u proably need 2 get a firewire external only and check compatibility with windows 7 and give firewire a chance to run the race!
KingArturoification 3 months ago
good job
pcmanpcmanpcman 3 months ago
so i should be using firewire?
TheSpanker23 3 months ago in playlist More videos from NCIXcom
Wow... how'd he not manage to connect FW? FW 800 > USB 3.0.
Langben121 3 months ago
@Langben121 My guess is the absolutely pathetic default drivers Windows 7 ships with. They're abysmal. You should force it to use legacy for install third party ones if you're using FireWire devices on Windows. Nothing but problems with the defaults in my experience.
TalesOfWar 1 month ago
Irrelevant when 90% of users still have moving parts for the HDD. Just a thought for those techno junkies. Before you run out and grab it up and wonder why it isn't fast.
It is as fast as the slowest link in the chain.
WildBuck007 3 months ago
hey reminds me slightly of sheldon of the big bang theory, but he's cool (:!
flashygap 3 months ago
Notice he has earrings on both sides o.o
JoshieBoiez 3 months ago
doesnt mac computers use fireware...goodluck with that
lilHippo 4 months ago
@lilHippo Macs use FireWire 800, and have for years. I've NEVER seen 800 on any PC motherboard apart from the expensive Xeon workstations from HP and Dell and so on. I have no idea why, 400 is ancient now, it's older than USB 2.0 by a fair bit (and still faster). FireWire also has the advantage of being able to daisy chain devices. I run 3 external hard drives from one FireWire 800 port on my Mac with no issues. I could run more if I wanted too.
TalesOfWar 1 month ago
@TalesOfWar jesus christ when did i write anythign on this video. i wish theyput back user comments on top
lilHippo 1 month ago
@lilHippo Ha, tell me about it. Why they removed that feature I have no idea. Talk about regression.
TalesOfWar 1 month ago
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LOL 1:25 "the blue one on your RIGHT" hahahaha I am color blind but even I can tell which one is the blue one!
nousername21 4 months ago
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nousername21 4 months ago
Look at 6:15
spikeman316 4 months ago 58
@spikeman316 What is it?
FroztiezIsAwesome 2 months ago
@FroztiezIsAwesome funny sound ssss.....
spikeman316 2 months ago
@spikeman316 ha! thanks. saved me some time.
bulldog1st 1 month ago
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spikeman316 4 months ago
I wonder if this means I could finally find a way to install windows straight onto (and boot from) an external drive without taking a big performance hit using USB 3.0. USB 2.0 bottle necked it, there was a few workarounds that are fairly difficult and it was around 1/2 the speed and only worked on the system you did the install on. If anyone knows please send me a PM.
760slayer 4 months ago
Save you 8 mins.
eSATA wins! =)
JCXY 4 months ago
@JCXY Thank you! haha
arswank88 4 months ago
intersting
omgtkseth 4 months ago
Lol, Macs use Firewire xD
TheDJGabizz 4 months ago 72
@TheDJGabizz yeah but they also use thunderbolt
iamyourmum97 3 months ago
@TheDJGabizz Year i got a mac and it´s awesome but i don´t understand why they keep Firewire800 it sucks
dennisjonkristensen 3 months ago
@dennisjonkristensen Because they want to monopolize their technology and not but anyone else's (except Intel) technology inside their machines so they can completely control the market. Which is why many dislike Apple. They're banking on Thunderbolt to be their USB 3.0. But once again, they're trying to run in too many races and in this one, they've fallen behind.
MathewJoki 2 months ago
@dennisjonkristensen You've obviously not used it much then if you're saying that. I connect 3 external hard drives from a single FireWire 800 port and get far better transfer speeds than USB, which when you're moving a lot of data is a god send. USB is terrible for storage devices because it's all software controlled, which is why it bogs down when moving a bunch of smaller files. It uses up CPU cycles too, but modern CPU's don't get hit that hard thankfully. Back in the day though... lol
TalesOfWar 1 month ago
@TheDJGabizz firewire was made by apple
3Target33 2 months ago
@3Target33 i rem back in the days when i had my iMac i would use Firewire 400 any day over USB 2.0 #1 it was bootable and the speeds were god
Mooseguy15 4 days ago
@TheDJGabizz
Firewire ports are only still used because Sony uses them for there movie cameras. :F
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@TheDJGabizz actually Thunderbolt is the newest. Its faster than usb 3.0
redruney 1 month ago
@TheDJGabizz Works fine for me, 800 MBPS firewire is a great connector :)
stev1212 1 month ago
@TheDJGabizz My old acer laptop had firewire. Windows XP Pro allowed you to connect 2 devices as network devices via firewire. VIsta on they remove it for some reason. Very fast transfer.
instantnetworks 1 month ago
@TheDJGabizz Mac use Thunderbolt which destroys USB 3.0. LOL!
Snapscape 1 month ago
@Snapscape windows 8 will be able to use thunderbolt too ;)
and the cost of thunderbolt is 10 times as much as usb 3.0
3628800258 1 month ago
@3628800258 Windows 7 can use it as well but using and getting depends on Intel since Thunderbolt is more or less a replacement for Firewire, I doubt Intel will add it to compete with another of it's co-developed products - USB. Price also depends on the grade of wire used in the cables. Cat6 cables are much more expensive than Cat5 but they're also faster.
Snapscape 1 month ago
how big is your samsung tv ?
MrSquareZNation 4 months ago
Well, now that Thunderbolt is out, there is no comparison, lol.
sirlinkyalot 4 months ago
Sorry if someone has already asked this question. If you have a USB 2.0 port, would USB 3.0 work in that port, just limited to the capability of the USB 2.0 speeds? And when you say USB 3.0 is "backwards capatible" I believe you are saying a USB 3.0 will accept a USB 2.0, but what about the reverse?
sparkledoodle44 4 months ago
@sparkledoodle44 first question: Yes it is possible for a 3.0 conection to work on a 2.0 port. The speed will be the 2.0 one.
Second question: a usb 2.0 will acept a 3.0 conection, but as said before, the speeds will be limited to the 2.0 speed (480mb/s).
This is valid for the "standart A type usb conection. The B type conector(used alot in printers for example) will not fit physicaly the 2.0 B conector.
Tuscopa 4 months ago
3.0 conectors uses 5 more pins to transfer data, apart from the four previously on the 2.0 models. Also micro usb conectors will be diferent (and uglier in my opinion) from the previous 2.0 conectrors, just so they can acomodate the 5 "new" pins.
Check out wikipedia on this matter.
Hope it helps.
Tuscopa 4 months ago
what is this firewire you speak of?
Blatenly 4 months ago
@Blatenly FIrewire or i.Link or IEEE 1394 was on market since 1995 so it's funny compare it with USB 3.0. In that time we would compare with USB 1 with speed of 12Mbit/s, Firewire has 400Mbit/s. Cable used it this video is Firewire 400, there is also Firewire 800 and it's speed is 800Mbit/s, USB 2.0 has 480Mbit/s. Mac's in these days are using Thunderbolt which has 20Gbit/s. FYI eSata internal has 6Gbit/s and USB 3.0 4Gbit/s.
Xcenda 4 months ago
@Xcenda i know =_=.... i was being sarcastic in the sense that i never used it
Blatenly 3 months ago
who still uses firewire?
shogrran 4 months ago
does anyone else have the issue with Windows / PC .. where your USB 2.0 ports eventually get slow and you get the error "try connecting to a USB 2.0 port " when all ports used to be USB 2.0?
ewupawly 4 months ago
You make awesomely educational nerding videos. I would like more.
PetriDaGamerNerd 4 months ago
How big is that TV/Monitor, and what resolution are you using? Looks like a fairly large one (Resolution), which leads me to believe it was pretty expensive... :o
cccs07 5 months ago
Does USB 3 giving the drive more power from the hub?
qingqingyep 5 months ago
I have 2.0, Firewall and eSata. I installed a eSata card in my computer but I have a hard time getting my Lacie External drives to connect fast and stay connect in a stable way. Kept dropping connection. I switched to Firewire 800 and got a slower connection speed but barely noticed and the connection was stable... NOW I'm thinking should I go to USB 3.0....
jasonworld2007 5 months ago
@jasonworld2007 I think u men fire wire not firewall
JMR120600 4 months ago
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@jasonworld2007 I think u mean fire wire not firewall
JMR120600 4 months ago
How to find wich usb version I have?
FiFAViDZ4You 5 months ago
@FiFAViDZ4You on a device or your PC? If it's blue it's USB 3.0, in your pc or device. IF it's black it's most likely 2.0/esata combo/1.1 (will be very old if it's USB 1.1).
jh3496 5 months ago
@FiFAViDZ4You The inside plastic will be blue, if it's red etc it's also 2.0/1.1
jh3496 5 months ago
@FiFAViDZ4You Well unless you bought your PC before the year 2000 then your almost guaranteed to have 2.0 since 2.0 is a standard and even if you got it recently (after 2008) your probably going to have 2.0 since 3.0 isn't quite as popular among companies yet :)
MrMikeydude10 5 months ago
That enclosure will bottleneck the usb 3.0, because of the s-ata connection on the harddrive inside. Should have tested an USB 3.0 flash drive, if you wanted to compare interfaces. Neat video though.
SwissBrahmin 5 months ago
nice computer case -_-
GlobalGaming101 5 months ago
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cs16rlz 5 months ago
that's called a rig... that's what most pc shops do when the do DEMO BOOTS .... getting the parts on a pc case is a waste of time when sometimes XD
i want to do that to... its much better for cooling the pc... just a rig and a nice fan next to it.. XD
plus it's faster to swap parts LOL
cs16rlz 5 months ago
@cs16rlz besure to haev glass or clear acrylic or something to cover it so it doesnt get too dusty..
djmaxdance 5 months ago
@GlobalGaming101 tech station.
jojotjuh 5 months ago
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Intel's thunderbolt I/O transfers 650mb a second. Blows all of this crap outta the water. And of course all the new macs come loaded with it. Windows and pc can suck a fart outta my ass... Lol
gpittel 5 months ago
Intel's thunderbolt I/O transfers 650mb a second. Blows all of this crap outta the water. And of course all the new macs come loaded with it. Windows and pc can suck a fart outta my ass... Lol
gpittel 5 months ago
@gpittel Hhaha mac fag:)
LemonadeSodaGuy 5 months ago
@gpittel Have fun with your $50 cables then.
L233233 5 months ago
speek slower plz
rubikfan1 5 months ago
Anand tested usb2 and firewire(400/800).
His findings were: usb ~ 15-20% slower (HIGHLY dependent on what is tested) than fw400 and roughly double that for fw800
When they tested usb3, it was 80-100% faster than fw800 (again, test dependent, but it maxed the drive).
So fw is faster than usb2, but not usb3, but fw3200 would be interesting to see
emichan1ban 5 months ago
I bought a USB 3.0 flash drive today to put my music on. The transfer rate was a 10MB/s WTF! I was expecting at least 500. Anybody have any ideas why? I updated my drivers. I have a Asus Maximus IV Extreme MOBO.
xxsekoxx 5 months ago
@xxsekoxx It was a cheap ass Flash drive.
Umbra360 5 months ago
@Umbra360 That is the best you could come up with? " a cheap ass drive " why are there so many morons watching video's about computers.
xxsekoxx 5 months ago
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DancesWithSmurf 5 months ago
he sounds a bit like a poofta :P
sickturboguy 5 months ago
I have to chime in here to state that Firewire *is* considerably faster, for one reason: latency.
The actor claims that the speed differential between small file copies was likely due to "handling the files differently" by the different interfaces. This may be somewhat correct, but we'll never know. 2 factors contribute to external drive speed: latency, and buffer flushing. (continued above...)
davejohnson3000 5 months ago
@davejohnson3000 (continued 2...)
Realtime buffer flushing allows a drive to be removed at any time by pulling the cable (USB, Firewire, eSATA). This needs to be checked to ensure each drive is set to the same settings, as they may be different, depending on the version of Windows, the driver settings, or the particular chipset capabilities. Without assurance that they are the same, these tests are not valid.
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davejohnson3000 5 months ago
@davejohnson3000 (continued 3...)
While the bandwidth of the interface (FW400-400Mbps, USB2-480Mbps, FW800-800Mbps, eSATA2-3000Mbps, USB3-4800Mbps, eSATA3-6000Mbps, Thunderbolt-20,000Mbps) tells you the maximum sustained transfer for a stream of data, it's the latency that determines how fast you talk back and forth.
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davejohnson3000 5 months ago
@davejohnson3000 (continued 4...)
If you could pitch baseballs to a catcher continuously, the number of balls/sec arriving at the catcher is the bandwidth. The time it takes to throw to the catcher, and have the catcher throw it back to the pitcher, is the latency. You can see how this affects communication; bandwidth is most relevant for 1-way data streaming (large file copy), but latency governs how fast the balls can be exchanged.
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davejohnson3000 5 months ago
@davejohnson3000 (continued 5...)
Larger latency interfaces effectively put the pitcher farther away from the catcher. This affects small data transfer the most, since the time required to communicate back and forth becomes the deciding factor in overall "speed" rather than how fast the data can be sent.
Latency is not fixed and is implementation dependant, but generally in this order: USB2/3-1-2ms, FW400/800, 0.1-0.2ms, eSATA3/6-unknown but in nanoseconds, Thunderbolt-0.000008ms
davejohnson3000 5 months ago
@davejohnson3000
Anecdotally, NEC,Texas Instruments, and Oxford (911/922) chipsets are the most reliable, while PLC (probably what you have) are the most problematic.
I would be highly interested in the same test performed under more empirically accurate test. To do so would likely require:
-PCIe add-on card for each interface (to eliminate issues relating to the motherboard's implementation)
-Windows realtime buffer flushing enabled (no cache, or "optimize for quick removal" option)
-etc.
davejohnson3000 5 months ago
@Ripafartstudios your retarded, what does your over priced shitty Intel computer have anything to do with transfer speeds... i paid 900 bucks for my computer and it will do everything yours can
bigapewhat 5 months ago
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Armornone 5 months ago