VOTE NO or give up all your powers to the EU if u vote yes u will be shitting on ur grandfathers graves who died to protact your country do not give it all up VOTE NO for own sake
Did you know that the constitutional courts of Germany and Austria have blocked implication of large sections of the infamous Lisbon treaty/constitution ?
Justice & Home Affairs,tax and finance,social security,education,policing and military etc. will REMAIN in the hands of democratically elected Germans and Austrians.
Neither will the EU Court of Justice rule over/on Germans !
What a shame this will not be the case in Ireland if the treaty is ratified.
I'm here sifting through my 'readable' copy of the treaty hoping that my fellow citizens aren't stupid enough to vote this self amending, un-democratic piece of bog roll through.
Its not anyone's fault if they don't understand the treaty, its advocates don't want you to. As a democratic voter, you deserve to.
If you don't know, vote no.
(or the less catchy; if your not absolutely entirely sure, vote no.)
I would like to point out as well, that for the first time, if the Lisbon Treaty comes in to force, The EU electorate will have a chance to affect the Commission composition through European Parliament elections.
Can you name a country in the world where the government is directly elected? Every democracy in the world is a compromise between direct and representative democracy.
That being said, The EU is not a country and The Lisbon Treaty will not make it one. Legally it is an union of independent member states. The Commission is however the executive branch of the EU, calling is a government isn't wrong per se. But holding The EU up to standards not present anywhere on the globe seems a bit absurd.
Every tier of American government & legislature is directly elected. It may lack the transferrable vote but the fact is that Bush is president because ordinary Americans voted for him. In other democratic countries the government is chosen by a directly elected assembly such as the Dail. The EU has neither the direct election nor the parliamentary one.
With Lisbon the EU will be seen as a country by the rest of the world. If it looks like a duck etc
The US president is elected by an electoral college and the entire presidential cabinet is appointed by the president himself. This is the reason why Al Gore didn't become president even though he received more votes in 2004.
Why are you holding The EU up to standards of a sovereign country?
If Commission accountability is your concern then you should be happy to learn that the Lisbon Treaty would for the first time make The Commission selection process take in to account the EP elections.
Nonsence. From wikipedia: "The President of the Commission and all the other commissioners are nominated by the Council. Appointment of the Commission President, and also the Commission in its entirety, have to be confirmed by Parliament." It is just like in many countries - we elect parliament, and it decide, which goverment runs the country. Euoroparliament is elected directly. so, what's the problem?
Nonsense. From wiki: "The President of the Commission and all the other commissioners are nominated by the Council. Appointment of the Commission President, and also the Commission in its entirety, have to be confirmed by Parliament."
It sounds to me that it is that it's quite fair. Council is legetime reprezentitives of each countries, and EP is elected diretly. Isn't that's democracy?
Or do you want, that comition president whould be elected directly? (see more)
@jokakutihuti The United States is a union of independant member states. Calling the american Executive branch a government isn't wrong per se. Also, Americans don't directly pick who rules them. An electoral college chooses who runs for president, then we vote from the remaining candidates.
You don't think that america is a country? Haha, have the people with the same logic argue that to our government, you'll be speaking american english before you know it. We'll have a new state.
If we vote yes the same fate will befall ireland that has befallen the fishing industry,
if we vote no what will happen?well a few MEPs have said there will be a price to pay,probably same fate will befall ireland that has befallen the fishing industry.
Tip toe totalitarianism,Godless secularism,it goes on and on,plus i dont like being bullied,our leader has asked us to vote yes but he hasnt read it,how can a man who claims to have our best interests at heart do this?
well this Treaty stinks, and it stinks bad.
doctorcrapable 1 year ago
Very true!
spartacandream 1 year ago
You should held third referendum!! ;)
xjuhox 2 years ago
VOTE NO or give up all your powers to the EU if u vote yes u will be shitting on ur grandfathers graves who died to protact your country do not give it all up VOTE NO for own sake
charlieiscool1000 2 years ago
Did you know that the constitutional courts of Germany and Austria have blocked implication of large sections of the infamous Lisbon treaty/constitution ?
Justice & Home Affairs,tax and finance,social security,education,policing and military etc. will REMAIN in the hands of democratically elected Germans and Austrians.
Neither will the EU Court of Justice rule over/on Germans !
What a shame this will not be the case in Ireland if the treaty is ratified.
Google . No2Lisbon2 for details.
Spenner56 2 years ago
Very good video.
aiyic 2 years ago
The American system is way different then the way the EU works.
Anyway, go see this /watch?v=BYh-zjqafbg
or search Agora EU in youtube.
It's a really good debate between two leading European politicians, from the Greens and Centre-Right.
wutru 3 years ago
thanks for the lowdown buddy! i voted no! naturally.
lord123j 3 years ago
One of the authors of the original draft of the treaty, former French President V.Giscard D'Estaing put it like this to Le Monde, June 14 2007-
"Public opinion will be led to adopt, without knowing it, the proposals that we dare not present to them directly...
All the earlier proposals will be in the new text, but will be hidden and disguised in some way."
trapd0r 3 years ago
"Do you wanna be a wimp or a hero?"
I wanna be a hero my patriotic friend.
I'm here sifting through my 'readable' copy of the treaty hoping that my fellow citizens aren't stupid enough to vote this self amending, un-democratic piece of bog roll through.
Its not anyone's fault if they don't understand the treaty, its advocates don't want you to. As a democratic voter, you deserve to.
If you don't know, vote no.
(or the less catchy; if your not absolutely entirely sure, vote no.)
trapd0r 3 years ago
I would like to point out as well, that for the first time, if the Lisbon Treaty comes in to force, The EU electorate will have a chance to affect the Commission composition through European Parliament elections.
jokakutihuti 3 years ago
Can you name a country in the world where the government is directly elected? Every democracy in the world is a compromise between direct and representative democracy.
That being said, The EU is not a country and The Lisbon Treaty will not make it one. Legally it is an union of independent member states. The Commission is however the executive branch of the EU, calling is a government isn't wrong per se. But holding The EU up to standards not present anywhere on the globe seems a bit absurd.
jokakutihuti 3 years ago
Every tier of American government & legislature is directly elected. It may lack the transferrable vote but the fact is that Bush is president because ordinary Americans voted for him. In other democratic countries the government is chosen by a directly elected assembly such as the Dail. The EU has neither the direct election nor the parliamentary one.
With Lisbon the EU will be seen as a country by the rest of the world. If it looks like a duck etc
christianpatriot125 3 years ago
The US president is elected by an electoral college and the entire presidential cabinet is appointed by the president himself. This is the reason why Al Gore didn't become president even though he received more votes in 2004.
Why are you holding The EU up to standards of a sovereign country?
If Commission accountability is your concern then you should be happy to learn that the Lisbon Treaty would for the first time make The Commission selection process take in to account the EP elections.
jokakutihuti 3 years ago
Nonsence. From wikipedia: "The President of the Commission and all the other commissioners are nominated by the Council. Appointment of the Commission President, and also the Commission in its entirety, have to be confirmed by Parliament." It is just like in many countries - we elect parliament, and it decide, which goverment runs the country. Euoroparliament is elected directly. so, what's the problem?
putavyraitis 3 years ago
Nonsense. From wiki: "The President of the Commission and all the other commissioners are nominated by the Council. Appointment of the Commission President, and also the Commission in its entirety, have to be confirmed by Parliament."
It sounds to me that it is that it's quite fair. Council is legetime reprezentitives of each countries, and EP is elected diretly. Isn't that's democracy?
Or do you want, that comition president whould be elected directly? (see more)
putavyraitis 3 years ago
@jokakutihuti The United States is a union of independant member states. Calling the american Executive branch a government isn't wrong per se. Also, Americans don't directly pick who rules them. An electoral college chooses who runs for president, then we vote from the remaining candidates.
You don't think that america is a country? Haha, have the people with the same logic argue that to our government, you'll be speaking american english before you know it. We'll have a new state.
spartacandream 1 year ago
If we vote yes the same fate will befall ireland that has befallen the fishing industry,
if we vote no what will happen?well a few MEPs have said there will be a price to pay,probably same fate will befall ireland that has befallen the fishing industry.
Tip toe totalitarianism,Godless secularism,it goes on and on,plus i dont like being bullied,our leader has asked us to vote yes but he hasnt read it,how can a man who claims to have our best interests at heart do this?
Vote no,
macker33 3 years ago