MrAngelojazz--"u sound really upset lame. is it because OUR PRESIDENT IS BLACK? i know u hate it"
Have you figured out yet that the liar-in-chief is mulatto? Half Caucasian and half African? And all kenyan? And all traitor? Or maybe you've moved in with his brother that lives in a hut and survives on a dollar a month. Let us know how you're doing. We haven't heard any good jokes lately like your claim that he's 'black'. lol.
Mr. Carter told the truth, point-blank! So many people (cowards) use false issues to cover up the real matter, the president's race. I don't care what your party affiliation is either. The fact is that racial ignorance has hindered this nation's progress. Reality check folks, America is last globally in education, our businesses are constantly duked by foreign competitors and natural disasters occur like never before, yet we still find time to spew out hate.
@pjmgame Actually I'm not wrong. Look it up. Joe Wilson was right when he said Obama was lying. He may have had no class in saying what he said but Joe was still right
@docj09 He said that Obama was lying when Obama said that his Healthcare Reform wouldn't cover illegal aliens, when it wont. Do you know that you have been paying for illegal alien's hospital bills ever since you have been paying taxes? Did you? The Healthcare reform will not help illegals, unless it is an emergency, just like it is now.
Like the liar-in-chief, his 'health care' takeover has to go. Now. He IS a socialist, of the most hideous kind. The kenyan proves what a liar he is every time he opens his mouth. What a shame to the U.S.A.
shut your ass Kieth Olberman your a tool like the rest of the mass media.Go back to comedy asshole.We all know everyone in politics are professional liars.
The truth hurts , tell the truth and shame the devil. Let these ultra neo right wing conservatives get a dose of their own medicine. They lie and will continue to lie because a black man was elected as president of the united states. Lets get the tea parties out again to spread lies and whip up hysteria for all those ignorant people who are not preapared to inform themselves.Thank the republicans for getting us into two wars, high employment, housing & banking & wall street crisis. Enough !!
Its as simple as keynesian or hayek. Do you want the gov telling you what to do or do you like individual liberty, economic liberty and freedom for all! Ron Paul for President! 2012!
So far, the best you have is that he promised to wait to sign legislation for 5 days, and he sign the healthcare plan in 3. Not that big of a deal. If you have more to your opinion, by all means, share it.
@MrGeestacks you said, "it was a pleasure to hear both sides."
Yeah, I learned a lot from the conversation also.
Try to keep this idea in mind when you say, "He is a liar." He is not lieing about getting a blowjob from an intern. He is not lieing to get America into a war. He is not lieing about lowering taxes (then raising them - Reagan and Bush). He is not lieing about spying on a political party.
@cifier ...he's lying about Obamacare saving money. If you are buying that, along with the CBO figures, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you......
@baldrad1 you said, "...he's lying about Obamacare saving money. If you are buying that, along with the CBO figures, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you......"
Fine, prove President Obama is lying about the Healthcare law.
@baldrad1 you said, "...he's lying about Obamacare saving money. If you are buying that, along with the CBO figures, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you......"
He should have thrown a shoe at him as well... F you MSNBC! When did we start fearing our gov. and not the other way around? The White House needs an enema and Valerie Plame and Joe should do with ALL the American people behind them!
Thank god this asshole got fired! Olbermann is such a piece of shit! If Bush lied, why didn't the Democrats prosecute him for treason. The Democrats lied!
you---sir---no longer have a job b/c you---sir---are so disgustingly biased that not even the kind of people who are willing to associate themselves with msnbc want to listen to your slanderous rantings. furthermore---sir---no one has forgotten that you lost your previous sports reporting career b/c you were fired for sexual harassment.
sorry kieth, maybe next time. you still fail. if bush lied 500 times than obam lies 5000 times. they both sucked and dont care to compare lessor evils. Bam! You LIE! it is a fact. pass that coolaid. obam needs an impeachment for lying. simple. there are much better contenders out there than bam. Ron Paul for Prez! 2012! Bye bye bammy! homeboy is in htat koolaid bubble! gotta pop it!
@cifier lolz, is that a joke? Do you not watch obam anywhere? 1 question cife. What did obama run his campaingn on? if you say one thing one day, and another the next, what does that make you. in life one should strive to better ones self and those around him, that is the opposite of what hes doing. GO TO an economically depressed neighborhood and then comment back pls. He lied to me the voter. look for it on the toob, you will see. hit me back, and never let a good tragedy go to waste.
@MrGeestacks, to answer your question, President Obama ran a campaign on Healthcare, Gitmo, Strong diplomatic actions in regards to foreign policy, securing loose nukes, stronger education platform, "Don't Ask Don't Tell" repeal, Energy Independence, stronger wall street regulations, Afghanistan over Iraq, and a few more things.
And on the things I mentioned above, he has taken action on all of them. I live in an economically depressed neighborhood. SO WHAT?!? He didn't cause this mess.
@cifier.This is the problem with flouride in your water homes. Your confused and you Miss the point! Look up a vid called 7 lies in 2 mins. He has lied about almost everything he has ran on.LOOK IT UP! And it is obvious your not from an economically depressed neighborhood because of your response. Everyone i know in the HOOD says he lied to them too. Wake up PLS! Never let a good tragedy go to waste! Obam Fails Hard body! Answer me this. Why do i have to pay to live on a planet i was born on?
@MrGeestacks you asked, "Why do i have to pay to live on a planet i was born on?"
Answer: You don't. We are all more than happy to let you wander into the wilderness, build a tee-pee, and live off the land. Don't use roads, the mail, the mall, grocery stores, stop-lights, police department, fire department, hospitals or anything else our modern American society provides. BUT, if you are going to live in this society, then you will have to accept some inconvenience. First, laws...then taxes.
@cifier hey man, the fed should do none of those thngs, that is up to the state atm. So if the state levies taxes thats cool, but not this double, triple taxation biz. its almost unanimous that most doctors say, never in the past have they turned someone in need of help away, so ty but no thanks on the obamacare.Laws are not inconvienices for 1, and 2 taxes are okay, in some small form or another, but not when you have too many in washington, creating, bubbling, then squaking.its not their job.
@MrGeestacks you said, "Laws are not inconvienices for 1, and 2 taxes are okay, in some small form or another, but not when you have too many in washington, creating, bubbling, then squaking.its not their job."
The Constitution of the United States is the most authoritative document within the USA. This document says the government can levy taxes. This is LAW. And for those people in Washington, it IS their job. That is what the Constitution says.
@MrGeestacks you asked, "line where it says that income tax is law?"
Answer:
Section 8 (US Constitution)
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
@cifier yes but ciph, thats one vid. there are multiple, what happened to the withdrawal from iraq in '09? and tit for tat is not what i am about, this is about truth and liberty, if you think hte gov should be setting up grocery stores then thats up to you! i chose not to believe in that. That is called corporate america or walmart and i can do without homeland security and their respective collusion to intimidate the american public. We have had enough. 1st the fed, down the line we go.
@MrGeestacks you said, "if you think hte gov should be setting up grocery stores then thats up to you! i chose not to believe in that. That is called corporate america"
That is not Corporate America. "Corporate America" is a term used to identify a group if institutions that are corporations in America.
@MrGeestacks you said, "i can do without homeland security and their respective collusion to intimidate the american public."
@cifier look what happened to clinton, do you htink theres a difference between lying under oath or just lying. i do not. i support those who stand by their word. i know it may be a bit off for you to understand, but words do mean alot and i do stand by those who stand by their's. Ron Paul is a educator, not obam. Look up jfk, or even mlk, and then obam and then Ron Paul. Those who stood up for us will not be in vain. compare the philosophies. obam is the odd one out, bud, you should deal.
@MrGeestacks you said, "i support those who stand by their word. i know it may be a bit off for you to understand, but words do mean alot and i do stand by those who stand by their's. Ron Paul is a educator, not obam. Look up jfk, or even mlk, and then obam and then Ron Paul. Those who stood up for us will not be in vain. compare the philosophies. obam is the odd one out, bud, you should deal."
Do a video on this, your point does not seem clear.
@cifier these men were inspirational at least and at best ......, well i wont limit them at their best. when obam talks he talks about how he is going to do this and that and help here and get jobs and etcetc. that is what i do not want him to do. Free markets is what i want, FREEDOM IS WAHT I WANT! everywhich way pls! it has to do with the content of their character. he lacks all htat by pushing failed policies driven by the wrong idea of what the gov should be into.
@MrGeestacks you said, "Free markets is what i want, FREEDOM IS WAHT I WANT!"
For someone who wants freedom, you are going about it in a very bad way. You want the free market to run wild...unchecked. We already had that, during the Industrial Revolution. This is not in dispute, this is historic fact. Unions, Labor Laws, and strong regulations were the response to it.
You said, "obam talks he talks about how he is going to do this and that and help here"
@cifier again aaaaat! that is not the role of gov. i agree with your facts, but to what end. you seem not to care for an end and i do. like obama leaving iraq in 09. but whats happened?....... i cannot believe you said that is the role of the gov. okay. no taxation w/o representation. <--- is this what we have now? NO! so they need to step off! decrease in size, and stop devaluaing our dollar. It is the fed, or the central bank as it is, and the rabbit hole goes. Fed first. RP 2012!
@MrGeestacks you said, "i agree with your facts, but to what end."
The will of the people IS the END.
You also said, "like obama leaving iraq in 09. but whats happened?"
We should have never been there under the rhetoric that was spoken. The US was LIED into that war. So, yeah, we needed to leave and accept the aftermath.
@MrGeestacks you said, "agreed. i would like to see a timely departure."
Keep in mind, the golden rule in the middle east is, "You break it, you buy it." And we broke it. Now we have to deal with the problems that Bush caused. It took 6 years in Iraq and 8 Years in Afghanistan, to get to where we are. It will probably take longer to fix these things than it did to break them. This is where President Bush Sr. was MUCH smarter than his son. Pres. Bush Sr. knew to not occupy Iraq.
@MrGeestacks you said, "he lacks all htat by pushing failed policies"
Funny...in 2008 the economy WAS failing, Sec. Paulson used tax dollars to get into a losing investment with the banks and the US was fighting 2 wars (one was unnecessary). Pres. Obama instituted policies and now our economy is not failing, we have most of the money back from the bad investment, we are focusing on Afghanistan and removed combat forces from Iraq.
That doesn't sound like failure, that sounds successful.
@cifier but you missed the 3 trilion the fed gave out during the process. behind closed doors. obam lied and the fed does the backdoor dance. they like hte backdoor bandits. and you say we are not failing, lol, this is why i know your not from the hood. YOU and Obam DO not see it or you dont care to open your eyes. The states are now failing, no tax rev, is that success. lolz.. weigh them agianst another and see what you would rather. i can keep going with this one. the ruse is well known.
@MrGeestacks you said, "but you missed the 3 trilion the fed gave out during the process."
No, I am not missing that. I don't agree with the way everything went down, but I can look at the results. And I can judge results. The result of the last 2 years of government policies, overall, has been a success.
@MrGeestacks you said, "but you missed the 3 trilion the fed gave out during the process."
No, I am not missing that. I don't agree with the way everything went down, but I can look at the results. And I can judge results. The result of the last 2 years of government policies, overall, has been a success.
@cifier dude you said we have most of the money back from bad debt. that is absurd again. we the tax payer now own that bad debt. it has not been removed just moved.
@MrGeestacks you said, "we the tax payer now own that bad debt."
No, the tax payer does not own the debt. The Government gave grants and low interest loans to try to alleviate the debt of the toxic assets. But those assets are still on the banks book, that is why banks are still foreclosing on people. You are not thinking clear on this.
@cifier eeeeeerrrrr. none of this makes sense because the backdoor bandits (the fed) do w/e they want. so i do not care for what they discuss with us and congress, its what they do behind closed doors that is a bother. and again your talking about somehting worth round 700billion, which in their scheme of things is pennies in comparison to the derivitivers bubble now reaching 600 trillion. toxic? maybe, but zilch in comparison to their purpetuated ruse.
@MrGeestacks you said, "your talking about somehting worth round 700billion, which in their scheme of things is pennies in comparison to the derivitivers bubble now reaching 600 trillion."
You are mixing up subjects. The Federal Reserve Bank did not create nor get involved with derivative markets directly. And we received the majority of the $700 billion back from the people that took the loans. But remember that there is still a third of that money that has not even been spent yet.
@cifier no they go unchecked in what they do and when pressed for their disclosure to congress they show months later and the numbers change from billions to trillions whilst this bubble is heading for 1 quadrillion. the fed doesnt tell you hwat they do with it and or who they give it to. so i no longer believe them. i dont think a seperate/private company should be in charge of our dollar. i dont trust the philosophy of the owners. NO MORE!
@cifier this is simple, the bets are made against the loans backed up by the gov. do you know how the traunch system works with securities? so if you say its not direct then indirectly they are complicit. When i said they disclose later to congress i mean case in point, that there was 3 tyrillion issued to someone/cvompany (who knows) as we were bickering about the 700billion, and that my friend was disclosed after the fed was asked for transparency. And thats not what i said about our dollar.
@cifier No, the traunch system is how the ponzi scheme works. How they divide up the securities and how they work. and if they werent insured, they would be under. but in turn they and all (companies or ountries) end up back at the fed with their hands out, even congress. Take away the never ending money printing system. it has gone on long enough.
@MrGeestacks you said, "No, the traunch system is how the ponzi scheme works."
The tranche system, as it applies to loans and SPVs, is what you are taking about. By all means, please explain how the Federal Reserve Bank is responsible for this.
@MrGeestacks you said, "Take away the never ending money printing system."
The Government does not request the printing of money arbitrarily from the Federal Reserve Bank.
@cifier you said "please explain how the Federal Reserve Bank is responsible for this." the fed backs up loans made to homeowners, these loans are divided, chopped and split and sold again untill they are leveraged many times over and way higher than their respective values, called securites or other financial instruments. through either the fed itself or the FDIC, or fanny and freddie they are either fully guaranteed or to the tune of 80% on losses.
@MrGeestacks you said, "fed backs up loans made to homeowners"
Actually, that was congress passing legislation for the FRB to back those loans. The financial markets created the SPV to split the loans, and individual banks make the decision to create/sell the SPVs. Fanny and Freddie gave the loans. The FBR had nothing to do with it.
@cifier case in point, citibank, takes profits when it wins and the gov pays when it loses. the traunch system just shows you the whole setup can collapse at any minute.
@MrGeestacks you said, "citibank, takes profits when it wins and the gov pays when it loses."
It was the case with the SRVs because congress voted to back those loans, almost 10 years ago. The Government does not pay every time Citibank loses in a venture.
@MrGeestacks you said, "When i said they disclose later to congress i mean case in point, that there was 3 tyrillion issued to someone/cvompany (who knows) as we were bickering about the 700billion, and that my friend was disclosed after the fed was asked for transparency."
If you can not even describe the issue with definition, how can you expect anyone to discuss the issue with you clearly?
@cifier Tarp went to so called liquidate credit markets and soo on, but how many months later when pressed about disclosure they say they handed out another 3 trillion to others, behind closed doors. I dont care to debate their monetary process or what they do with it, im over that, i am looking at the money printing mechanism, end the fed. i just know that what we have aint working for the little guy. they and the current system has not helped the lil guy out.
@MrGeestacks you said, "Tarp went to so called liquidate credit markets"
TARP had little to nothing to do with credit markets. TARP was our Government trying to deal with trouble assets, directly.
@MrGeestacks you said, "3 trillion to others, behind closed doors."
Who? Where? When? TARP doesn't have $3 trillion dollars. I am beginning to think you are either making u some of this stuff, or you are getting your information from bad sources.
@cifier hello! in the writing asset releif program, the term noted and the reason given was to keep the markets afloat, wheter it was a note, a sercurity etc. the us gov bought those notes, loans, assets, pooools of loans or notes or securities based on mortgages, commercial or residential. all i heard or kept hearing when all was going to hell in 2008 was the call for the looseing up of credit markets.
@MrGeestacks you said, "He has lied about almost everything he has ran on.LOOK IT UP!"
Google Government is your friend. Not only has THIS President made major movement on the vast majority of his campaign platform, he has done it while in 2 wars, a real-estate disaster, a financial market disaster, a threat of a banking collapse and the former administration committing war-crimes.
If you disagree with a policy, fine...say that. I can respect the disagreement. But Wilson was FLAT wrong.
@cifier Wilson may be wrong, but obam is a liar! That is a fact! i do not want the us gov in my life at all! take ss, medicare, and every other gov agency that has done nothing for me and let them sit and spin. what benefit has all this mongering gotten us? pls dont bring up 9/11, your thoughts are no longer mainstream and america is fed up. i dont want to talk about the us gov, and since they have asked for guidance, we will comply. first the fed! wall street and the fed are in collusion.
@MrGeestacks you said, "obam is a liar! That is a fact!"
Not a fact, just your opinion.
@MrGeestacks you said, "i do not want the us gov in my life at all!"
That is a viable perspective. So, you are going to stop using airplanes, automobiles, houses, apartments, streets, store bought items, banks, legal system, police/fire departments and the like? I offer you this list because these things have all been made better by our government. These are the invisible things that our taxes payed for.
@MrGeestacks you said, "your thoughts are no longer mainstream and america is fed up."
Mainstream or not, the thoughts I have seem to be accurate, more or less. And to say, "america is fed up," is a bit vain. Who are you to say what America is or isn't? The USA is 300,000,000 citizens and you are saying what all those people want? It does not seem believable.
You also said, "since they have asked for guidance"
If you mean the elections, they didn't ask...it is a function of the CONSTITUTION!
@cifier [well no ciph theres more than that. what about the fact that they print fiat money, thought the constitution said somethign about that. does that not in fact effect everyother aspect of an economy/society/culture etc. its funny money.][recent polls show mainstream is fed up and have you watched the news lately?][logic tells us that if you say something and do another, by doing so you are telling a lie, this is fact, not an opinion][your list below was from free markets, not gov]
@MrGeestacks you said, "recent polls show mainstream is fed up"
Polls have no authoritative voice in governance. Polls can give indication to a trend, but bottom line...polls can say anything the poller wants it to say.
@MrGeestacks you said, "say something and do another, by doing so you are telling a lie,"
There is more to almost any situation than that. The environment may not allow for a course of action. Higher principles can come into play. But this is hypothetical.
Where EXACTLY did President Obama willfully, and with purpose of malevolence lie to the American people?
@cifier limited to certain number of words, so i cannot xplain everything. you said malevolence and willfully not i. and obam is a keynsian. simple as that. comprende amigo?
@MrGeestacks you said, "you said malevolence and willfully not i. and obam is a keynsian."
Don't try to flip this around. You have been calling President of the United States, Barrack Obama, a liar for days without evidence. You have been implying that he has been willfully deceitful, also without evidence. I asked a question.
"Where EXACTLY did President Obama willfully, and with purpose of malevolence lie to the American people?"
@cifier again he said he would withdraw troops from iraq in '09 and he did not. soooo.... he lied. and i have not flipped anything around, you keep saying malevolence and willfully, i have not. he made inaccurate and false statements did he not?
@MrGeestacks you said, "again he said he would withdraw troops from iraq in '09 and he did not. soooo...."
And he began withdrawing troops in 2009. Did it take longer than I like, yes. But we had pulled all the way out, Iraq would be COMPLETELY destabilized and probably invaded by Iran. He didn't lie, he was just late...and for good reason.
@MrGeestacks you said,"he made inaccurate and false statements did he not?"
Inaccurate means inaccurate. Lying means lying. Candidate Obama expressed INTENTIONS on what he wanted to do, while campaigning. And he is living up to the campaign rhetoric. He may have had to back-burner items, like "Don't Ask Don't Tell," in order to do other things. He isn't doing the opposite.
Palin, on the other hand, says seeing Russia from her house gives her Foreign Policy Experience. THAT is a LIE!
@cifier actually lying = an inaccurate or a false statement, not sure whether the intent was there but he still lied. he said he would do something htat got my vote, and has not done what he said he would do.
@MrGeestacks you said, "actually lying = an inaccurate or a false statement"
Here is the definition of "lie" from Webster's Dictionary:
1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2 : to create a false or misleading impression
The very definition of the word includes the intent, so...NO HE HAS NOT LIED. He was inaccurate. And most of his honest platform has seen forward movement with in his FIRST two years...not bad for government work.
@cifier and 3: an inaccurate or false statement, and that is according to websters. he said if he were president he would pull troops out by '09, he has not. would i be more accurate in saying he is a bullshit artist?
@MrGeestacks you said, "and 3: an inaccurate or false statement"
Your entry does not appear in the Webster's Online Dictionary (m-w(dot)com).
@MrGeestacks you said, "he said.. he would pull troops out by '09, he has not."
He began the the pull out in 2009, and now there are no official combat troops in Iraq. Plus the region is (more or less) stable. He kept his word. If you are upset because he didn't snap his fingers and empty Iraq,fine. That is your choice, but unreasonable.
@cifier as i look over all of our comments over the last couple days, i noticed you pretty good at arguing your points, but you tend to let symantics get in the way of what is right and wrong and spend too much time with subterfuge. You seem to not have a lot of knowledge on how the system on a whole works together in an unfair and keynsian way, this is not what the founding fathers talked about and this is the problem with the fed. End the FED and End the Lies! Whichever technicality u prefer.
@MrGeestacks you said, "this is not what the founding fathers talked about and this is the problem with the fed."
Of course it isn't what they talked about, they couldn't tell the future. They had no way of looking two hundred years into the future and legislating. But what does this have to do with the Federal Reserve Bank?
@MrGeestacks you said, "End the FED and End the Lies! Whichever technicality u prefer."
So the FRB lies? Or is it President Obama? Or Both? You are not being clear.
I am dealing with subterfuge. You are not entirely clear. More that once I have asked you to clarity on a point, and the subject would get changed.
If you said, "President Obama was inaccurate about leaving Iraq." I would say, "Possibly."
But, without proof of deception or malevolence, you are saying, "He lied." And I say, "Prove the deceit, please." This was our original conversation. "Inaccurate" is not the same as "lie," for a reason.
@cifier he said we had 5 days to look online at any bill before it is passed. what happened with hte health care bill than? obama care. whether he is careless with his words or not, or whether to the degree of lieing or being innaccurate and missrepresenting ones actions or motives, i care not to discuss hte in's and outs. it is apparent! you say possibly inaccurate, i say inaccurate. you say a lie, i say inaccurate, but we end up with more of hte same........
@MrGeestacks you said, "he said we had 5 days to look online at any bill before it is passed."
Ok, you have a point. 3 days instead of 5.
@MrGeestacks you said, "you say possibly inaccurate, i say inaccurate. you say a lie, i say inaccurate, but we end up with more of hte same"
Looking at the way you are judging this, you are in the same boat...a liar. He is a liar, you are a liar everyone you know is a liar. And I am OK with this.
@MrGeestacks you said, "your list below was from free markets, not gov"
Free markets would have children in factories, no minimum wage, no thought to safety conditions for workers and no retirement benefits. Free markets would have restaurants serving items called "BEEF," when in reality, the item would be mostly "beef substitutes." Free markets would would serve dangerous products to the population without warning.
@cifier yes so it seems, lets look at taco bell. being sued now for 30% beef. so we have that. if we dont have children in factories then other countrise we toggle with will. this is where all hte uneven is apparent. listen i know wallst/obam want to progress the ruse, but they are creating bubbles and we both aggreeed they are in cohoots. you say retirement benefits i say save. i dont want the gov in my life at all.
@MrGeestacks you said, "if we dont have children in factories then other countrise we toggle with will."
Ummm, I am unclear on your meaning here, but I will assume that you don't like the idea of children in factories. And if other nations allow unhealthy child labor practices, that is THEM. They are a sovereign nation. I do not want child labor in the place where I live, and I want an entity strong to protect against it.
@cifier meaning corporations have done an excellent job of exploiting loopholes. tax,labor laws, you name it. and if they cannot do it here they will do it elsewhere. ie, aruba, sweden and other countries. we may call it a loophole but doesnt change the fact that we are wearing clothes from other countries htat do in fact allow child labor.
@MrGeestacks you said, "we may call it a loophole but doesnt change the fact that we are wearing clothes from other countries htat do in fact allow child labor."
The difference is, they govern themselves...WE GOVERN OURSELVES. If Thailand was to allow kiddie-porn under their law, fine...ITS THEIR COUNTRY!!! I don't want kiddie-porn in MY COUNTRY and I vote to make it so. If China and India want to allow child labor, under the law...fine. They can do whatever they want. I don't want it here.
@MrGeestacks you said, ' "Free markets would would serve dangerous products to the population without warning." this statement is absurd.'
The FDA was created because of a rash on people becoming sick and dieing over bad food in the US. And as a result of the FDA's creation, you can travel almost anywhere in the United States and drink the water without fear of dysentery.
The FDA's creation is the response of the people/government of the market selling bad food.
@cifier no correction, you said "Free markets would would serve dangerous products to the population without warning", i said that is absurd. Um and it is.
@MrGeestacks you said, `no correction, you said "Free markets would would serve dangerous products to the population without warning", i said that is absurd. Um and it is.`
And I showed you just one of a few agencies that was put in place specifically because the "free market" sold dangerous products to consumers. Calling it absurd without viable proof or rational agreeable argument is not addressing the point.
Joe Wilson is a hypcrite, he was fully behind the Bush administration during the years prior. He and his supporters should be the last to talk. Those conservatives who kept shut during the majority of the Bush administration should be the last to talk as well.
@theRebelBull Nancy Pelosi and all those attacking Joe Wilson are hypocrites. They go after Wilson for a two-word outburst, but ignore Charlie Rangel's lack of ethics. A tax cheat should not be writing our tax laws!
@StoogeWatcher My point is, both parties are wrong. If one party does something worse than the other, doesn't make a wrong action anymore right. You're upset about Rangel. You'd damn well better be upset with the outlandish actions of of Wilson. Otherwise you're just as much a hypocrite as the rest.
The two party system has failed us in every way. Look at the current state of things. Washington full of liars and thieves on both sides. Until we break this cycle, we're fucked!
@StoogeWatcher Wilsons actions were despicable and showed no class, respect, or decency in a setting that requires the strictest of standards. Republicans still defend him. Charlie Rangel's lack of ethics shows the problem with politicians on both sides. Dems will still defend him. Why? Because people seem to be too stupid to make decisions for themselves so they follow the crowd of their own chosen political party, never giving thought to the well being of our country.
Olberman, you are a pathetic moron! The U.S. would be much better off if you and the rest of the Stupid Moron Liberals were moved too ......hmmmmm...... Venezuela.... Thats it...... You and Hugo can be the best of buds, one dumb ass complimenting another!
@Weasler455 You know that willfully ignorant, yokel stereotype mentioned in the above video? You're furthering it. By all means troll Youtube and pick fights with whomever will listen to your tirades, but remember: stay classy, America.
Olbermann is a hack
MyLifeRules76 2 weeks ago
olbermann "you lie"
TheClone3000 4 weeks ago
Can a somebody get rid of this guy? He is a cancer in today's media.
ThePalinPatriot 2 months ago
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@ThePalinPatriot
"He is a cancer in..."
Ha ha this from a guy conned into giving palin money and attention because he thought she was going to run for president. Sucker.
H4rryF 2 months ago
OLBERMAN IS A DOUCHEBAG LIAR
TEHTYMEKITTEH1 2 months ago
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@TEHTYMEKITTEH1
"LIAR"
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Any chance of some proof?
H4rryF 2 months ago
MrAngelojazz--"u sound really upset lame. is it because OUR PRESIDENT IS BLACK? i know u hate it"
Have you figured out yet that the liar-in-chief is mulatto? Half Caucasian and half African? And all kenyan? And all traitor? Or maybe you've moved in with his brother that lives in a hut and survives on a dollar a month. Let us know how you're doing. We haven't heard any good jokes lately like your claim that he's 'black'. lol.
theRightizright 4 months ago
Joe Wilson was so right!
Obama also continues those wars without resistance.
freakylocz14 5 months ago
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@gameshowguy2000 Keith Olberman is a communist like you. Now watch mY latest video.
EddieMunsterRabies 5 months ago
Mr. Carter told the truth, point-blank! So many people (cowards) use false issues to cover up the real matter, the president's race. I don't care what your party affiliation is either. The fact is that racial ignorance has hindered this nation's progress. Reality check folks, America is last globally in education, our businesses are constantly duked by foreign competitors and natural disasters occur like never before, yet we still find time to spew out hate.
upt123 7 months ago
Keith Olbermann, You're Wrong!
Get the facts before you make a special comment like this. Joe Wilson was right at the time he said that
docj09 8 months ago
@docj09 Actually you're wrong. Joe Wilson has no class.
pjmgame 6 months ago
@pjmgame Actually I'm not wrong. Look it up. Joe Wilson was right when he said Obama was lying. He may have had no class in saying what he said but Joe was still right
docj09 6 months ago
@docj09 No, Obama told the truth. Wilson also believes Obama is a socialist which is not true
pjmgame 6 months ago
@docj09 He said that Obama was lying when Obama said that his Healthcare Reform wouldn't cover illegal aliens, when it wont. Do you know that you have been paying for illegal alien's hospital bills ever since you have been paying taxes? Did you? The Healthcare reform will not help illegals, unless it is an emergency, just like it is now.
visini14 6 months ago
@visini14
Like the liar-in-chief, his 'health care' takeover has to go. Now. He IS a socialist, of the most hideous kind. The kenyan proves what a liar he is every time he opens his mouth. What a shame to the U.S.A.
theRightizright 4 months ago
shut your ass Kieth Olberman your a tool like the rest of the mass media.Go back to comedy asshole.We all know everyone in politics are professional liars.
deadreck024 9 months ago
@deadreck024=TEABAGGER
merceratus36 5 months ago
@merceratus36 ill teabag you troll.
deadreck024 5 months ago
@deadreck024 Fuck you Faggot
merceratus36 5 months ago
@merceratus36 Enjoy your fema camp cell dip shit
deadreck024 5 months ago
The truth hurts , tell the truth and shame the devil. Let these ultra neo right wing conservatives get a dose of their own medicine. They lie and will continue to lie because a black man was elected as president of the united states. Lets get the tea parties out again to spread lies and whip up hysteria for all those ignorant people who are not preapared to inform themselves.Thank the republicans for getting us into two wars, high employment, housing & banking & wall street crisis. Enough !!
smokeyvelvet42 9 months ago
Its as simple as keynesian or hayek. Do you want the gov telling you what to do or do you like individual liberty, economic liberty and freedom for all! Ron Paul for President! 2012!
MrGeestacks 11 months ago
RP for Congress 2012!
Obama for VP 2012!
JV for Pres. Nom. 2012!!
cifier 11 months ago
@cifier Nononono.
Obama got to go.
davidlee110 8 months ago
@davidlee110 said, "Obama got to go."
Ok, that is slogan. Why do you think this?
cifier 8 months ago
what ever troll! semantics and subterfuge, its in your posts for all to see. nuff said. RP for Prez 2012! Obam Fails!
MrGeestacks 11 months ago
Cifer what are you trolling this page. No Obam fails. RP for Prez 2012!
MrGeestacks 11 months ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "Cifer what are you trolling this page."
You are right about the strange postings...I did not my reply show up. Sorry about that.
@MrGeestacks you said, "No Obam fails."
So far, the best you have is that he promised to wait to sign legislation for 5 days, and he sign the healthcare plan in 3. Not that big of a deal. If you have more to your opinion, by all means, share it.
@MrGeestacks you said, "RP for Prez 2012!"
Good luck with that. Maybe you can get Palin as VP.
cifier 11 months ago
and to start a final post, this definitely has been worth it, it was a pleasure to hear both sides.
MrGeestacks 11 months ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "it was a pleasure to hear both sides."
Yeah, I learned a lot from the conversation also.
Try to keep this idea in mind when you say, "He is a liar." He is not lieing about getting a blowjob from an intern. He is not lieing to get America into a war. He is not lieing about lowering taxes (then raising them - Reagan and Bush). He is not lieing about spying on a political party.
2 days? There are bigger lies to be told.
And I still disagree with President Obama.
cifier 11 months ago
@cifier ...he's lying about Obamacare saving money. If you are buying that, along with the CBO figures, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you......
baldrad1 11 months ago
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@baldrad1 you said, "...he's lying about Obamacare saving money."
Prove it.
cifier 11 months ago
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@baldrad1 you said, "...he's lying about Obamacare saving money. If you are buying that, along with the CBO figures, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you......"
Fine, prove President Obama is lying about the Healthcare law.
cifier 11 months ago
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@baldrad1 you said, "...he's lying about Obamacare saving money. If you are buying that, along with the CBO figures, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you......"
Prove it.
cifier 11 months ago
Keith Olberman = Hate-filled dog. Sees everything upside down. Calls the good bad and the bad good. Loser!
guy12349 11 months ago
You shouldnt do anything about the lies because we all sat back and let bush do whatever he pleased? Is this your argument? Dumbass...
Rblotnicky 1 year ago
He should have thrown a shoe at him as well... F you MSNBC! When did we start fearing our gov. and not the other way around? The White House needs an enema and Valerie Plame and Joe should do with ALL the American people behind them!
ledaohio 1 year ago
Thank god this asshole got fired! Olbermann is such a piece of shit! If Bush lied, why didn't the Democrats prosecute him for treason. The Democrats lied!
TripperLV 1 year ago
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you---sir---no longer have a job b/c you---sir---are so disgustingly biased that not even the kind of people who are willing to associate themselves with msnbc want to listen to your slanderous rantings. furthermore---sir---no one has forgotten that you lost your previous sports reporting career b/c you were fired for sexual harassment.
CornFedArmen 1 year ago
Olbermann set to join Foxnews!!
/watch?v=zausCcGmz68
american2oilet 1 year ago
sorry kieth, maybe next time. you still fail. if bush lied 500 times than obam lies 5000 times. they both sucked and dont care to compare lessor evils. Bam! You LIE! it is a fact. pass that coolaid. obam needs an impeachment for lying. simple. there are much better contenders out there than bam. Ron Paul for Prez! 2012! Bye bye bammy! homeboy is in htat koolaid bubble! gotta pop it!
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks, I don't believe you are thinking very clearly.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier lolz, is that a joke? Do you not watch obam anywhere? 1 question cife. What did obama run his campaingn on? if you say one thing one day, and another the next, what does that make you. in life one should strive to better ones self and those around him, that is the opposite of what hes doing. GO TO an economically depressed neighborhood and then comment back pls. He lied to me the voter. look for it on the toob, you will see. hit me back, and never let a good tragedy go to waste.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks, to answer your question, President Obama ran a campaign on Healthcare, Gitmo, Strong diplomatic actions in regards to foreign policy, securing loose nukes, stronger education platform, "Don't Ask Don't Tell" repeal, Energy Independence, stronger wall street regulations, Afghanistan over Iraq, and a few more things.
And on the things I mentioned above, he has taken action on all of them. I live in an economically depressed neighborhood. SO WHAT?!? He didn't cause this mess.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier.This is the problem with flouride in your water homes. Your confused and you Miss the point! Look up a vid called 7 lies in 2 mins. He has lied about almost everything he has ran on.LOOK IT UP! And it is obvious your not from an economically depressed neighborhood because of your response. Everyone i know in the HOOD says he lied to them too. Wake up PLS! Never let a good tragedy go to waste! Obam Fails Hard body! Answer me this. Why do i have to pay to live on a planet i was born on?
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you asked, "Why do i have to pay to live on a planet i was born on?"
Answer: You don't. We are all more than happy to let you wander into the wilderness, build a tee-pee, and live off the land. Don't use roads, the mail, the mall, grocery stores, stop-lights, police department, fire department, hospitals or anything else our modern American society provides. BUT, if you are going to live in this society, then you will have to accept some inconvenience. First, laws...then taxes.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier hey man, the fed should do none of those thngs, that is up to the state atm. So if the state levies taxes thats cool, but not this double, triple taxation biz. its almost unanimous that most doctors say, never in the past have they turned someone in need of help away, so ty but no thanks on the obamacare.Laws are not inconvienices for 1, and 2 taxes are okay, in some small form or another, but not when you have too many in washington, creating, bubbling, then squaking.its not their job.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "Laws are not inconvienices for 1, and 2 taxes are okay, in some small form or another, but not when you have too many in washington, creating, bubbling, then squaking.its not their job."
The Constitution of the United States is the most authoritative document within the USA. This document says the government can levy taxes. This is LAW. And for those people in Washington, it IS their job. That is what the Constitution says.
As a citizen, I want them to use taxes fairly.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier stop being coy, show me the line where it says that income tax is law? looks like many of your arguements are more keynsian than hiyak.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
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@MrGeestacks you asked, "line where it says that income tax is law?"
Answer:
Section 8 (US Constitution)
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
cifier 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "Look up a vid called 7 lies in 2 mins."
I did. I will take them one at a time:
1) There is more transparency. There is just too much data to find things easily.
2) Misquoted by one word. He got the idea right.
3) Meetings have been posted. See #1.
4)There is less secrecy. See #1
5) Some Bills have been rushed, but I was still able to follow them online and read them.
6) See #3.
7) I am able to find out which rep. puts amendments in bills. See #1.
You are not looking.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier yes but ciph, thats one vid. there are multiple, what happened to the withdrawal from iraq in '09? and tit for tat is not what i am about, this is about truth and liberty, if you think hte gov should be setting up grocery stores then thats up to you! i chose not to believe in that. That is called corporate america or walmart and i can do without homeland security and their respective collusion to intimidate the american public. We have had enough. 1st the fed, down the line we go.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "if you think hte gov should be setting up grocery stores then thats up to you! i chose not to believe in that. That is called corporate america"
That is not Corporate America. "Corporate America" is a term used to identify a group if institutions that are corporations in America.
@MrGeestacks you said, "i can do without homeland security and their respective collusion to intimidate the american public."
This was a republican/conservative bad idea.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier and your point is? should i have called it white america?.....corporate america is lobbying/colluding
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
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@MrGeestacks you said, "and your point is? should i have called it white america?"
My point is the same point I wrote a while back...You are not thinking very clearly.
You also said, "corporate america is lobbying/colluding"
No, it is not.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier look what happened to clinton, do you htink theres a difference between lying under oath or just lying. i do not. i support those who stand by their word. i know it may be a bit off for you to understand, but words do mean alot and i do stand by those who stand by their's. Ron Paul is a educator, not obam. Look up jfk, or even mlk, and then obam and then Ron Paul. Those who stood up for us will not be in vain. compare the philosophies. obam is the odd one out, bud, you should deal.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "i support those who stand by their word. i know it may be a bit off for you to understand, but words do mean alot and i do stand by those who stand by their's. Ron Paul is a educator, not obam. Look up jfk, or even mlk, and then obam and then Ron Paul. Those who stood up for us will not be in vain. compare the philosophies. obam is the odd one out, bud, you should deal."
Do a video on this, your point does not seem clear.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier these men were inspirational at least and at best ......, well i wont limit them at their best. when obam talks he talks about how he is going to do this and that and help here and get jobs and etcetc. that is what i do not want him to do. Free markets is what i want, FREEDOM IS WAHT I WANT! everywhich way pls! it has to do with the content of their character. he lacks all htat by pushing failed policies driven by the wrong idea of what the gov should be into.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "Free markets is what i want, FREEDOM IS WAHT I WANT!"
For someone who wants freedom, you are going about it in a very bad way. You want the free market to run wild...unchecked. We already had that, during the Industrial Revolution. This is not in dispute, this is historic fact. Unions, Labor Laws, and strong regulations were the response to it.
You said, "obam talks he talks about how he is going to do this and that and help here"
That is the roll of Government.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier again aaaaat! that is not the role of gov. i agree with your facts, but to what end. you seem not to care for an end and i do. like obama leaving iraq in 09. but whats happened?....... i cannot believe you said that is the role of the gov. okay. no taxation w/o representation. <--- is this what we have now? NO! so they need to step off! decrease in size, and stop devaluaing our dollar. It is the fed, or the central bank as it is, and the rabbit hole goes. Fed first. RP 2012!
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "i agree with your facts, but to what end."
The will of the people IS the END.
You also said, "like obama leaving iraq in 09. but whats happened?"
We should have never been there under the rhetoric that was spoken. The US was LIED into that war. So, yeah, we needed to leave and accept the aftermath.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier agreed. i would like to see a timely departure.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "agreed. i would like to see a timely departure."
Keep in mind, the golden rule in the middle east is, "You break it, you buy it." And we broke it. Now we have to deal with the problems that Bush caused. It took 6 years in Iraq and 8 Years in Afghanistan, to get to where we are. It will probably take longer to fix these things than it did to break them. This is where President Bush Sr. was MUCH smarter than his son. Pres. Bush Sr. knew to not occupy Iraq.
cifier 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "he lacks all htat by pushing failed policies"
Funny...in 2008 the economy WAS failing, Sec. Paulson used tax dollars to get into a losing investment with the banks and the US was fighting 2 wars (one was unnecessary). Pres. Obama instituted policies and now our economy is not failing, we have most of the money back from the bad investment, we are focusing on Afghanistan and removed combat forces from Iraq.
That doesn't sound like failure, that sounds successful.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier but you missed the 3 trilion the fed gave out during the process. behind closed doors. obam lied and the fed does the backdoor dance. they like hte backdoor bandits. and you say we are not failing, lol, this is why i know your not from the hood. YOU and Obam DO not see it or you dont care to open your eyes. The states are now failing, no tax rev, is that success. lolz.. weigh them agianst another and see what you would rather. i can keep going with this one. the ruse is well known.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "but you missed the 3 trilion the fed gave out during the process."
No, I am not missing that. I don't agree with the way everything went down, but I can look at the results. And I can judge results. The result of the last 2 years of government policies, overall, has been a success.
WE STILL HAVE AN ECONOMY.
cifier 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "but you missed the 3 trilion the fed gave out during the process."
No, I am not missing that. I don't agree with the way everything went down, but I can look at the results. And I can judge results. The result of the last 2 years of government policies, overall, has been a success.
WE STILL HAVE AN ECONOMY.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier lol, i dont want their economy, i want a free market economy.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
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@MrGeestacks you said, "lol, i dont want their economy, i want a free market economy."
Ok, I respect that. I have a serious question to ask you..no trash talk implied...
Do you realize that you will never see a free market in the United States of America, right?
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier dude you said we have most of the money back from bad debt. that is absurd again. we the tax payer now own that bad debt. it has not been removed just moved.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "we the tax payer now own that bad debt."
No, the tax payer does not own the debt. The Government gave grants and low interest loans to try to alleviate the debt of the toxic assets. But those assets are still on the banks book, that is why banks are still foreclosing on people. You are not thinking clear on this.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier eeeeeerrrrr. none of this makes sense because the backdoor bandits (the fed) do w/e they want. so i do not care for what they discuss with us and congress, its what they do behind closed doors that is a bother. and again your talking about somehting worth round 700billion, which in their scheme of things is pennies in comparison to the derivitivers bubble now reaching 600 trillion. toxic? maybe, but zilch in comparison to their purpetuated ruse.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "your talking about somehting worth round 700billion, which in their scheme of things is pennies in comparison to the derivitivers bubble now reaching 600 trillion."
You are mixing up subjects. The Federal Reserve Bank did not create nor get involved with derivative markets directly. And we received the majority of the $700 billion back from the people that took the loans. But remember that there is still a third of that money that has not even been spent yet.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier no they go unchecked in what they do and when pressed for their disclosure to congress they show months later and the numbers change from billions to trillions whilst this bubble is heading for 1 quadrillion. the fed doesnt tell you hwat they do with it and or who they give it to. so i no longer believe them. i dont think a seperate/private company should be in charge of our dollar. i dont trust the philosophy of the owners. NO MORE!
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "disclosure to congress they show months later"
It is normally LIVE on CSPAN. You don't watch CSPAN.
You said, "bubble is heading for 1 quadrillion"
If you think the Fed has something to do with the derivatives markets...ok. Prove it.
You said, "seperate/private company should be in charge of our dollar"
I don't like someone else creating the American Dollar either.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier this is simple, the bets are made against the loans backed up by the gov. do you know how the traunch system works with securities? so if you say its not direct then indirectly they are complicit. When i said they disclose later to congress i mean case in point, that there was 3 tyrillion issued to someone/cvompany (who knows) as we were bickering about the 700billion, and that my friend was disclosed after the fed was asked for transparency. And thats not what i said about our dollar.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "the bets are made against the loans backed up by the gov."
That is not the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK.
@MrGeestacks you said, "do you know how the traunch system works with securities?"
The Tranche System is set up between the IMF and Governments...NOT THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK.
@MrGeestacks you said, "so if you say its not direct then indirectly they are complicit."
Nothing in the post I am quoting has anything to do with the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK!!!
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier fdic? but it all leads back to who gives them this ability..... and that is the fed! the central bank of the usa prints the money.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@cifier No, the traunch system is how the ponzi scheme works. How they divide up the securities and how they work. and if they werent insured, they would be under. but in turn they and all (companies or ountries) end up back at the fed with their hands out, even congress. Take away the never ending money printing system. it has gone on long enough.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "No, the traunch system is how the ponzi scheme works."
The tranche system, as it applies to loans and SPVs, is what you are taking about. By all means, please explain how the Federal Reserve Bank is responsible for this.
@MrGeestacks you said, "Take away the never ending money printing system."
The Government does not request the printing of money arbitrarily from the Federal Reserve Bank.
cifier 11 months ago
@cifier you said "please explain how the Federal Reserve Bank is responsible for this." the fed backs up loans made to homeowners, these loans are divided, chopped and split and sold again untill they are leveraged many times over and way higher than their respective values, called securites or other financial instruments. through either the fed itself or the FDIC, or fanny and freddie they are either fully guaranteed or to the tune of 80% on losses.
MrGeestacks 11 months ago
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@MrGeestacks you said, "fed backs up loans made to homeowners"
Actually, that was congress passing legislation for the FRB to back those loans. The financial markets created the SPV to split the loans, and individual banks make the decision to create/sell the SPVs. Fanny and Freddie gave the loans. The FBR had nothing to do with it.
cifier 11 months ago
@cifier case in point, citibank, takes profits when it wins and the gov pays when it loses. the traunch system just shows you the whole setup can collapse at any minute.
MrGeestacks 11 months ago
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@MrGeestacks you said, "citibank, takes profits when it wins and the gov pays when it loses."
It was the case with the SRVs because congress voted to back those loans, almost 10 years ago. The Government does not pay every time Citibank loses in a venture.
cifier 11 months ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "When i said they disclose later to congress i mean case in point, that there was 3 tyrillion issued to someone/cvompany (who knows) as we were bickering about the 700billion, and that my friend was disclosed after the fed was asked for transparency."
If you can not even describe the issue with definition, how can you expect anyone to discuss the issue with you clearly?
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier Tarp went to so called liquidate credit markets and soo on, but how many months later when pressed about disclosure they say they handed out another 3 trillion to others, behind closed doors. I dont care to debate their monetary process or what they do with it, im over that, i am looking at the money printing mechanism, end the fed. i just know that what we have aint working for the little guy. they and the current system has not helped the lil guy out.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "Tarp went to so called liquidate credit markets"
TARP had little to nothing to do with credit markets. TARP was our Government trying to deal with trouble assets, directly.
@MrGeestacks you said, "3 trillion to others, behind closed doors."
Who? Where? When? TARP doesn't have $3 trillion dollars. I am beginning to think you are either making u some of this stuff, or you are getting your information from bad sources.
cifier 11 months ago
@cifier hello! in the writing asset releif program, the term noted and the reason given was to keep the markets afloat, wheter it was a note, a sercurity etc. the us gov bought those notes, loans, assets, pooools of loans or notes or securities based on mortgages, commercial or residential. all i heard or kept hearing when all was going to hell in 2008 was the call for the looseing up of credit markets.
MrGeestacks 11 months ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "the term noted and the reason given was to keep the markets afloat"
Yes...REAL ESTATE MARKETS. All the SRVs are still working their way through the financial markets.
@MrGeestacks you said, "all i heard or kept hearing when all was going to hell in 2008 was the call for the looseing up of credit markets."
Yes, because Republicans (Fiscal Conservatives) were screaming for it every time they saw a TV Camera. Another bad idea.
cifier 11 months ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "He has lied about almost everything he has ran on.LOOK IT UP!"
Google Government is your friend. Not only has THIS President made major movement on the vast majority of his campaign platform, he has done it while in 2 wars, a real-estate disaster, a financial market disaster, a threat of a banking collapse and the former administration committing war-crimes.
If you disagree with a policy, fine...say that. I can respect the disagreement. But Wilson was FLAT wrong.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier Wilson may be wrong, but obam is a liar! That is a fact! i do not want the us gov in my life at all! take ss, medicare, and every other gov agency that has done nothing for me and let them sit and spin. what benefit has all this mongering gotten us? pls dont bring up 9/11, your thoughts are no longer mainstream and america is fed up. i dont want to talk about the us gov, and since they have asked for guidance, we will comply. first the fed! wall street and the fed are in collusion.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "obam is a liar! That is a fact!"
Not a fact, just your opinion.
@MrGeestacks you said, "i do not want the us gov in my life at all!"
That is a viable perspective. So, you are going to stop using airplanes, automobiles, houses, apartments, streets, store bought items, banks, legal system, police/fire departments and the like? I offer you this list because these things have all been made better by our government. These are the invisible things that our taxes payed for.
cifier 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "your thoughts are no longer mainstream and america is fed up."
Mainstream or not, the thoughts I have seem to be accurate, more or less. And to say, "america is fed up," is a bit vain. Who are you to say what America is or isn't? The USA is 300,000,000 citizens and you are saying what all those people want? It does not seem believable.
You also said, "since they have asked for guidance"
If you mean the elections, they didn't ask...it is a function of the CONSTITUTION!
cifier 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "wall street and the fed are in collusion."
Yes, they are. They are colluding in two main ways, Lobbyists and Campaign Contributions. This is not new.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier [well no ciph theres more than that. what about the fact that they print fiat money, thought the constitution said somethign about that. does that not in fact effect everyother aspect of an economy/society/culture etc. its funny money.][recent polls show mainstream is fed up and have you watched the news lately?][logic tells us that if you say something and do another, by doing so you are telling a lie, this is fact, not an opinion][your list below was from free markets, not gov]
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "recent polls show mainstream is fed up"
Polls have no authoritative voice in governance. Polls can give indication to a trend, but bottom line...polls can say anything the poller wants it to say.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier i know, there was a bit of sarcasm there.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
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@MrGeestacks you said, "i know, there was a bit of sarcasm there."
No, there was no sarcasm at all in my statement.
cifier 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "say something and do another, by doing so you are telling a lie,"
There is more to almost any situation than that. The environment may not allow for a course of action. Higher principles can come into play. But this is hypothetical.
Where EXACTLY did President Obama willfully, and with purpose of malevolence lie to the American people?
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier limited to certain number of words, so i cannot xplain everything. you said malevolence and willfully not i. and obam is a keynsian. simple as that. comprende amigo?
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "you said malevolence and willfully not i. and obam is a keynsian."
Don't try to flip this around. You have been calling President of the United States, Barrack Obama, a liar for days without evidence. You have been implying that he has been willfully deceitful, also without evidence. I asked a question.
"Where EXACTLY did President Obama willfully, and with purpose of malevolence lie to the American people?"
BTW, I saw his birth certificate. He is American.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier again he said he would withdraw troops from iraq in '09 and he did not. soooo.... he lied. and i have not flipped anything around, you keep saying malevolence and willfully, i have not. he made inaccurate and false statements did he not?
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
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@MrGeestacks you said, "again he said he would withdraw troops from iraq in '09 and he did not. soooo...."
And he began withdrawing troops in 2009. Did it take longer than I like, yes. But we had pulled all the way out, Iraq would be COMPLETELY destabilized and probably invaded by Iran. He didn't lie, he was just late...and for good reason.
cifier 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said,"he made inaccurate and false statements did he not?"
Inaccurate means inaccurate. Lying means lying. Candidate Obama expressed INTENTIONS on what he wanted to do, while campaigning. And he is living up to the campaign rhetoric. He may have had to back-burner items, like "Don't Ask Don't Tell," in order to do other things. He isn't doing the opposite.
Palin, on the other hand, says seeing Russia from her house gives her Foreign Policy Experience. THAT is a LIE!
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier actually lying = an inaccurate or a false statement, not sure whether the intent was there but he still lied. he said he would do something htat got my vote, and has not done what he said he would do.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "actually lying = an inaccurate or a false statement"
Here is the definition of "lie" from Webster's Dictionary:
1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2 : to create a false or misleading impression
The very definition of the word includes the intent, so...NO HE HAS NOT LIED. He was inaccurate. And most of his honest platform has seen forward movement with in his FIRST two years...not bad for government work.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier and 3: an inaccurate or false statement, and that is according to websters. he said if he were president he would pull troops out by '09, he has not. would i be more accurate in saying he is a bullshit artist?
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "and 3: an inaccurate or false statement"
Your entry does not appear in the Webster's Online Dictionary (m-w(dot)com).
@MrGeestacks you said, "he said.. he would pull troops out by '09, he has not."
He began the the pull out in 2009, and now there are no official combat troops in Iraq. Plus the region is (more or less) stable. He kept his word. If you are upset because he didn't snap his fingers and empty Iraq,fine. That is your choice, but unreasonable.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier as i look over all of our comments over the last couple days, i noticed you pretty good at arguing your points, but you tend to let symantics get in the way of what is right and wrong and spend too much time with subterfuge. You seem to not have a lot of knowledge on how the system on a whole works together in an unfair and keynsian way, this is not what the founding fathers talked about and this is the problem with the fed. End the FED and End the Lies! Whichever technicality u prefer.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "you pretty good at arguing your points"
Thank you. I am enjoying the conversation also.
@MrGeestacks you said, "you tend to let symantics get in the way"
I think words have definitions for a reason.
@MrGeestacks you said, "You seem to not have a lot of knowledge on how the system on a whole works together in an unfair and keynsian way"
We have been living under it for a period of time now. People make people free or slaves, not economic models.
cifier 11 months ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "this is not what the founding fathers talked about and this is the problem with the fed."
Of course it isn't what they talked about, they couldn't tell the future. They had no way of looking two hundred years into the future and legislating. But what does this have to do with the Federal Reserve Bank?
@MrGeestacks you said, "End the FED and End the Lies! Whichever technicality u prefer."
So the FRB lies? Or is it President Obama? Or Both? You are not being clear.
cifier 11 months ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "time with subterfuge."
I am dealing with subterfuge. You are not entirely clear. More that once I have asked you to clarity on a point, and the subject would get changed.
If you said, "President Obama was inaccurate about leaving Iraq." I would say, "Possibly."
But, without proof of deception or malevolence, you are saying, "He lied." And I say, "Prove the deceit, please." This was our original conversation. "Inaccurate" is not the same as "lie," for a reason.
cifier 11 months ago
@cifier he said we had 5 days to look online at any bill before it is passed. what happened with hte health care bill than? obama care. whether he is careless with his words or not, or whether to the degree of lieing or being innaccurate and missrepresenting ones actions or motives, i care not to discuss hte in's and outs. it is apparent! you say possibly inaccurate, i say inaccurate. you say a lie, i say inaccurate, but we end up with more of hte same........
MrGeestacks 11 months ago
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@MrGeestacks you said, "he said we had 5 days to look online at any bill before it is passed."
Ok, you have a point. 3 days instead of 5.
@MrGeestacks you said, "you say possibly inaccurate, i say inaccurate. you say a lie, i say inaccurate, but we end up with more of hte same"
Looking at the way you are judging this, you are in the same boat...a liar. He is a liar, you are a liar everyone you know is a liar. And I am OK with this.
cifier 11 months ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "your list below was from free markets, not gov"
Free markets would have children in factories, no minimum wage, no thought to safety conditions for workers and no retirement benefits. Free markets would have restaurants serving items called "BEEF," when in reality, the item would be mostly "beef substitutes." Free markets would would serve dangerous products to the population without warning.
Government provides protection from these things.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier yes so it seems, lets look at taco bell. being sued now for 30% beef. so we have that. if we dont have children in factories then other countrise we toggle with will. this is where all hte uneven is apparent. listen i know wallst/obam want to progress the ruse, but they are creating bubbles and we both aggreeed they are in cohoots. you say retirement benefits i say save. i dont want the gov in my life at all.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "if we dont have children in factories then other countrise we toggle with will."
Ummm, I am unclear on your meaning here, but I will assume that you don't like the idea of children in factories. And if other nations allow unhealthy child labor practices, that is THEM. They are a sovereign nation. I do not want child labor in the place where I live, and I want an entity strong to protect against it.
That is the Government.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier meaning corporations have done an excellent job of exploiting loopholes. tax,labor laws, you name it. and if they cannot do it here they will do it elsewhere. ie, aruba, sweden and other countries. we may call it a loophole but doesnt change the fact that we are wearing clothes from other countries htat do in fact allow child labor.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, "we may call it a loophole but doesnt change the fact that we are wearing clothes from other countries htat do in fact allow child labor."
The difference is, they govern themselves...WE GOVERN OURSELVES. If Thailand was to allow kiddie-porn under their law, fine...ITS THEIR COUNTRY!!! I don't want kiddie-porn in MY COUNTRY and I vote to make it so. If China and India want to allow child labor, under the law...fine. They can do whatever they want. I don't want it here.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier agreed.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@cifier "Free markets would would serve dangerous products to the population without warning." this statement is absurd.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
@MrGeestacks you said, ' "Free markets would would serve dangerous products to the population without warning." this statement is absurd.'
The FDA was created because of a rash on people becoming sick and dieing over bad food in the US. And as a result of the FDA's creation, you can travel almost anywhere in the United States and drink the water without fear of dysentery.
The FDA's creation is the response of the people/government of the market selling bad food.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier no correction, you said "Free markets would would serve dangerous products to the population without warning", i said that is absurd. Um and it is.
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
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@MrGeestacks you said, `no correction, you said "Free markets would would serve dangerous products to the population without warning", i said that is absurd. Um and it is.`
And I showed you just one of a few agencies that was put in place specifically because the "free market" sold dangerous products to consumers. Calling it absurd without viable proof or rational agreeable argument is not addressing the point.
cifier 1 year ago
@cifier jamie diamond is a start!
MrGeestacks 1 year ago
another boring keith olbermann lecture
packerfan748 1 year ago
Insurance Companies have always been death panels! I kept waiting to hear about the real lies Obama has told.
Psychicpro1 1 year ago
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Insurance Companies have always been death panels!
Psychicpro1 1 year ago
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Insurance Companies have always been death panels!
Psychicpro1 1 year ago
Only KOol-aid drinkers can fall for this drivel.
1pt21jigawatt 1 year ago
joe wilson is a liar and so are those who agree with him
doc1917 1 year ago
Joe Wilson forced the news to listen- he succeeded....
Mradamjohnboy 1 year ago
too bad Joe Wilson turned out to be right and that Obama was lying
docj09 1 year ago
Fuck this whiner!
paulbunions 1 year ago
Wilson is a douche......but anyone who gets Olbermann this upset is OK with me.
dave4248 1 year ago
Keith must hate that Wilson won re-election. Congrats to Wilson, and an LOL at Keith!
DarthCormac 1 year ago
I like the current studio Keith does Countdown in much better.
liw213 1 year ago
Joe Wilson is a hypcrite, he was fully behind the Bush administration during the years prior. He and his supporters should be the last to talk. Those conservatives who kept shut during the majority of the Bush administration should be the last to talk as well.
theRebelBull 1 year ago
@theRebelBull Nancy Pelosi and all those attacking Joe Wilson are hypocrites. They go after Wilson for a two-word outburst, but ignore Charlie Rangel's lack of ethics. A tax cheat should not be writing our tax laws!
StoogeWatcher 1 year ago
@StoogeWatcher My point is, both parties are wrong. If one party does something worse than the other, doesn't make a wrong action anymore right. You're upset about Rangel. You'd damn well better be upset with the outlandish actions of of Wilson. Otherwise you're just as much a hypocrite as the rest.
The two party system has failed us in every way. Look at the current state of things. Washington full of liars and thieves on both sides. Until we break this cycle, we're fucked!
everythingeco 1 year ago
Fascist Democrats went ballistic over Wilson's two-word outburst, but did nothing about Charlie Rangel, the tax cheat writing our tax codes.
StoogeWatcher 1 year ago
@StoogeWatcher Republicans and Democrats are both hypocrites.
everythingeco 1 year ago
@everythingeco Yes, but why was a two-word outburst a more pressing matter than the tax-cheating House Ways and Means Chair?
StoogeWatcher 1 year ago
@StoogeWatcher Wilsons actions were despicable and showed no class, respect, or decency in a setting that requires the strictest of standards. Republicans still defend him. Charlie Rangel's lack of ethics shows the problem with politicians on both sides. Dems will still defend him. Why? Because people seem to be too stupid to make decisions for themselves so they follow the crowd of their own chosen political party, never giving thought to the well being of our country.
everythingeco 1 year ago
The Rush Limbaugh of the DNC. Keith peddles junk politics to get rich off of public misinformation and hysteria.
DSXmachine 1 year ago
Olberman, you are a pathetic moron! The U.S. would be much better off if you and the rest of the Stupid Moron Liberals were moved too ......hmmmmm...... Venezuela.... Thats it...... You and Hugo can be the best of buds, one dumb ass complimenting another!
teamUSAisgreat 1 year ago
@teamUSAisgreat Shut the fuck up, you right cum guzzler!
Masmosaic1 1 year ago
check out some of the democrats real views on the war on a video called "democrats on iraq before the war started".
ptsmmrs 1 year ago
hey keith,many democrats supported the war so maybe thats why they didnt shout out "you lie"...they agreed with him.
ptsmmrs 1 year ago
@ptsmmrs Would they have supported it if BUSH did LIE...?
usapegasus007 1 year ago
@usapegasus007 so are you saying democrats are easly fooled and tricked into voting for things?disturbing.
ptsmmrs 1 year ago
Someone needs to call the whambulence for poor Puss Olbermann. Joe was right after all.
1pt21jigawatt 1 year ago
@1pt21jigawatt No JOE LIED.... Read it before speaking
usapegasus007 1 year ago
Fuck you, Keith. I hope you get AIDS from a broken rubber in your gay butt.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 You know that willfully ignorant, yokel stereotype mentioned in the above video? You're furthering it. By all means troll Youtube and pick fights with whomever will listen to your tirades, but remember: stay classy, America.
Sakuramori 1 year ago
@Sakuramori Let's hope one breaks in your butt as well.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 Stop hiding in the closet and come out of your basement, take your foil hat off and leave youe white hood behind...dick head
usapegasus007 1 year ago
@usapegasus007 Fuck you, woman-petrified homo.
Weasler455 1 year ago
Who is Kieth Obermann?
postchevelle 1 year ago
SHADDUP Olberman, you fat gay turd. Get out of our country. And take your viewers with you - all 152 of them.
Weasler455 1 year ago
Tell em Keith!!!! Love it!!!! Obama 2012!!!!
QJBDALLAS 1 year ago
@QJBDALLAS The piece of black shit won't even be in office by then. He'll be indicted for treason next year ("Show us your papers!").
Weasler455 1 year ago
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@QJBDALLAS The piece of black sh*t won't even be in office by then. He'll be indicted for treason next year ("Show us your papers!").
Weasler455 1 year ago
Get ready for depression on Nov. 3rd. LOL!!!
postchevelle 1 year ago
Who is this guy?! He is like the only reporter I've seen that isn't full of shit. I want to watch more of him.
XoXitsSaruhh 1 year ago
@XoXitsSaruhh He's a fat liberal jerk. Anyone who wants to watch him is a fool.
Weasler455 1 year ago
@Weasler455 I think he's just intelligent...
XoXitsSaruhh 1 year ago