@abulmagd3 What do you mean stolen? It's a mostly forgotten piece from the 1600s, nobody owns it as far as I know. But of course anything that Jews or Israel borrow from other cultures you automatically characterize as "stolen," hell anything Jews do is automatically evil, worthless anti-Semite. Funny, we make your lives better, and you hate us for it.
Yes, this tune has a long history - from an Italian dance tune of 1608, via Central European folk songs and Smetana's "Vltava" (or"Moldau"), till the national anthem of Israel
@oursinbleu06 Smetanas Vltava, Ma Vlast, Die Moldau was inspired by the Swedish folk tune "Ack Värmeland du sköna" which origins can be traced back to the 1700 in Sweden, which would mean that the Hatikvas origins is "Ack Värmeland" and not this Italian tune.
@Slimsoj For me, there is little doubt that this Swedish song has been inspired by the present Italian theme, that had an extraordinary fame in the XVIIth century, all over the Europe
@oursinbleu06 Well, unfortionately for you, the similarities are few and the Swedish tune is a folk song. How would that translate from a theme for the royal courts of Europe? You are, quite frankly, mistaken.
@Slimsoj Hatikva, Vitava, Die Moldau, and Ack Värmeland du sköna...they are all inspired by this original piece from Mantova, Italy. The original is from 600 AD which is way before any of these songs. Hatikva is actually more related to the original the Swedish version. Just letting you know.
@ShinobiKemuri That is completely wrong and nothing but speculation disguised as fact.
La Mantovana barely resembles Ack, Värmeland du sköna and couldn't by any standards be regarded as the origin of the Swedish folk song.
We know for a fact that Bedrich Smetana traveled to Sweden and recided in Gothenburg for a near decade where he taught at a musical school and conducted the Gothenburg society for Classical Choral Music.
At this time the folktune Ack Värmeland du sköna had achieved enourmous popularity in Sweden and was played at operahouses and other venues all across the country. Smetana later returned to Prague wher he then wrote Ma Vlast or die moldau upon which the Israeli national anthem is based.
Case in point, Ma Vlast was heavily inspired by Ack, Värmeland du sköna, both in melody and the patriotic lyrics which then was remade as the Israeli national anthem.
@TheSexymonkey567 you mean anthem of Israel was stolen from
abulmagd3 6 months ago
@abulmagd3 What do you mean stolen? It's a mostly forgotten piece from the 1600s, nobody owns it as far as I know. But of course anything that Jews or Israel borrow from other cultures you automatically characterize as "stolen," hell anything Jews do is automatically evil, worthless anti-Semite. Funny, we make your lives better, and you hate us for it.
remo306 4 months ago
CHAPEAU!!
LeSymposie 8 months ago
Gold of ancient music and modern jazz improvisation...Bravo!
ONDAPRODUCTION 1 year ago
or Finntroll's Fiskarens Fiende
chrischian 2 years ago
... not forgetting the Swedish standard Ack Värmeland, du Sköna!
Pull63cat 2 years ago
Yes, this tune has a long history - from an Italian dance tune of 1608, via Central European folk songs and Smetana's "Vltava" (or"Moldau"), till the national anthem of Israel
oursinbleu06 3 years ago
@oursinbleu06 Smetanas Vltava, Ma Vlast, Die Moldau was inspired by the Swedish folk tune "Ack Värmeland du sköna" which origins can be traced back to the 1700 in Sweden, which would mean that the Hatikvas origins is "Ack Värmeland" and not this Italian tune.
Slimsoj 1 year ago
@Slimsoj For me, there is little doubt that this Swedish song has been inspired by the present Italian theme, that had an extraordinary fame in the XVIIth century, all over the Europe
oursinbleu06 1 year ago 3
@oursinbleu06 Well, unfortionately for you, the similarities are few and the Swedish tune is a folk song. How would that translate from a theme for the royal courts of Europe? You are, quite frankly, mistaken.
Slimsoj 1 year ago
@Slimsoj Hatikva, Vitava, Die Moldau, and Ack Värmeland du sköna...they are all inspired by this original piece from Mantova, Italy. The original is from 600 AD which is way before any of these songs. Hatikva is actually more related to the original the Swedish version. Just letting you know.
ShinobiKemuri 10 months ago
@ShinobiKemuri That is completely wrong and nothing but speculation disguised as fact.
La Mantovana barely resembles Ack, Värmeland du sköna and couldn't by any standards be regarded as the origin of the Swedish folk song.
We know for a fact that Bedrich Smetana traveled to Sweden and recided in Gothenburg for a near decade where he taught at a musical school and conducted the Gothenburg society for Classical Choral Music.
Slimsoj 10 months ago
At this time the folktune Ack Värmeland du sköna had achieved enourmous popularity in Sweden and was played at operahouses and other venues all across the country. Smetana later returned to Prague wher he then wrote Ma Vlast or die moldau upon which the Israeli national anthem is based.
Case in point, Ma Vlast was heavily inspired by Ack, Värmeland du sköna, both in melody and the patriotic lyrics which then was remade as the Israeli national anthem.
Slimsoj 10 months ago