zurriyatul baghaya and hiding the revelations

[j2ahmad]

Brother saifullha I am impressed. Masahllah

[Rizkhanae]

@saifullakhlaid

If your founder has said something, you should support and stand with it.

He has always said double meaning and confused things.

He was himslef Z'baghaya untill he did not declare himself as Nabi.

[SaifullaKhalid]

There is a difference between present and future tense. try to use common sense. But why would you?

[SaifullaKhalid]

High spiritual status is not a life time post. What happened to bal'am ba'ul?

[SaifullaKhalid]

I will remove your comments which contain offensive remarks.

[SaifullaKhalid]

Ikram, you are doing what every mullah does? Allegations without proof. There have been others who have believed that no prophet will come after Holy Prophet (saw), yet they also believed that Mahdi and Messiah will be a prophet within the Ummah. What will you call them?

[SaifullaKhalid]

Every prophet is unsure of their status in the beginning. But then gradually they are made to understand their mission. Will you call them impostors?

[SaifullaKhalid]

Ikram, can you prove that Khatamun Nabiyyeen means "last in the line of prophets" rather than "seal of Prophets"? Secondly, can you tell me whose advent is mentioned in Surah Jamma. Explaining which holy Prophet Saw indicated that a persian will appear to save the faith?

[megapk126]

oh come on man. open your eyes. this is the reference to the urdu sentence. anyway here is the phrase (if you donot like to look at Mirza's book) "Kiram-e-khaki hoon mere pyare naa aadam zaad hoon. Hoon bashar ki jaa-e-nafrat aur insanoon ki aar."

[SaifullaKhalid]

Thanks for the urdu words. Now tell me if this makes sense to you. "sharam ka muqaam"? What does it mean?

[megapk126]

What a joke. I don't want to give reference? If you have had a chance to completely read my previous posts, you should be able to find the reference unless you don't want to open your eyes. Just for you, here i am posting the reference again. Hopfully you will open your eyes this time. (Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 21, Page 127)

[SaifullaKhalid]

please quote the actual urdu verse or shut up!

[megapk126]

Oh Please Don't be silly. You should know better than me if you so love ahmadiyyah. You are asking me what is the Urdu Phrase? Hah? I have given you the reference. Go and check your self. These are the general lame techniques you so called Qadiani Murbbis use to go away from the main point. I feel really sorry for you.

[SaifullaKhalid]

Oh I understand you very clearly. You just do not want to quote the exact referece. Sharam ka muqaam hay aap k liyay. oops. What did i say? a place of shame for you. What is that? Where is that?

[megapk126]

What a joke. I don't want to give reference? If you have had a chance to completely read my previous posts, you should be able to find the reference unless you don't want to open your eyes. Just for you, here i am posting the reference again. Hopfully you will open your eyes this time. (Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 21, Page 127)

[SaifullaKhalid]

What is the urdu phrase?

[SaifullaKhalid]

h4tabs sahib, you are trying to impose the meanings on the pharse Zurriyatul baghaya which were not intended in the instances where the whole phrase zurriyatul baghaya is used. It means progeny of wickedness. Nutfa, zuuurya, bint, ibn etc do not necessary stand for biological relationships as i have shown you in the examples above.

[megapk126]

WARNING!!! "Mirza was Neither an earth-worm nor a human being. He was the most hated organ of human body and a shame for humanity."

Guess what? Great Blasphemy? No!! Extremist Mullah's thoughts? No buddy!!! Hatred? Not at all!!! These are Mirza's own words about himself. I repeat, HIS OWN WORDS ABOUT HIMSELF. (Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 21, Page 127)

[megapk126]

And as you (QADIANIS) say, Mirza was your beloved (So-Called) NABI, then you have to believe him, After all, he claimed to be divinely guided. You HAVE TO SAY HIM A SHAME FOR HUMANITY. MOST HATED PART OF HUMAN BODY. YOU HAVE NO OTHER OPTION, DO YOU DEAR QADIANIS?

[megapk126]

Kindly be specific to answer my question. Donot try to run arroung the lame interpretations. I have MUCH MUCH to post here. But i think this example is enough for those who wants to follow the truth. everytime you argument AK Shaikh with why he left Ahmadiyya jamaat. instead of answering his question to the point. May allah SWT open your eyes so that you can see the truth.

[h4tabs]

SaifullaKhalid Sahib: The urdu reference does contain the whole phrase of 'zurrayatul baghaya'; so i DO have a valid point - according to your earlier comment. In Farsi, he writes 'notfatul-baghaya' (progeny of prostitute)- which is an equivalent phrase to 'zurriyatul baghaya'.

[achaudhr1]

Brother Saifulla.AOA

Very nice...great great effort...See Promissed Messiah (AS) himself has answered every objection in his books.His writings are precious gems.

[SaifullaKhalid]

Hazrat Mirza sahib did not translated his own books.

[h4tabs]

For translation of 'Baghaya' by Mirza Sahib from Arabic see the followings:

1: Rohani Khazain Vol. 8, Noor-ul-Haq, page 163 (Urdu translation)

2: Rohani Khazain Vol. 16, Lujja-tun-Noor, page 431 (Farsi translation)

3: Rohani Khazain Vol. 16, Lujja-tun-Noor, page 430 (Farsi translation)

[SaifullaKhalid]

Are these the instances where the whole phrase "zurriyatul baghaya" is used? If yes, then you have a valid point. if only the word bagha or baghi or baghaya are mentioned, then on their own they may mean a multitude of things.

[h4tabs]

Fear Allah! The only word Qadianis and Muslim debate is 'baghaya'; no body is debating the word 'zurriyah' because that means progeny, full stop. Meanwhile, why don't you check the above references yourself? Please be honest and read those references; may Allah guide us all and help us see the truth - ameen.

[SaifullaKhalid]

Can you kindly tell me what the word "sabeel" mean and what the phrase "ibnus Sabeel" means? Also what does the word "waqt" mean and what the phrase "ibnul Waqt" means?

[h4tabs]

again leaving the question in focus and jumping on other issues. we don't need this video when Mirza Qadiani has translated 'baghaya' as 'prostitutes' in his Farsi writing. please grab onto the rope of Allah and leave holding onto the skirt of Mirza Sahib. May Allah guide us all, ameen.

[alimirza30]

Mashallah Wonderfull Effort....Superb.