Tiger Feels for Amy, Phil Mickelson

[nathanbigdogj]

Both of you guys seem angry over nothing.

[emncaity]

@nathanbigdogj

If you're talking to me, I'm not the least bit angry--just insistent that it would've been better for Woods to beg off answering a question that has to do with anybody else's wife or marriage, given the circumstances. You'll notice I'm not the guy with the all-caps every other word. I'm more amused at the rabid responses from bentnrk, and I guess a little bit intrigued that he seems not to be the typical Tiger-can-do-no-wrong fanboy but rather sincerely stuck on his point.

[emncaity]

So this is Tiger, who "feels for" somebody else's wife. As for his own, he'll humiliate her and the kids all he wants.

Somebody says it's a hard question, what do you expect him to say, etc. Here's what: "To be brutally honest, I am not the guy who ought to be answering any questions about how meaningful the relationship between husband and wife is. I am not God or the pope anyway, and what I say does not have the quality of a holy pronouncement. I have enough to make up for myself."

[bentnrk]

@emncaity ..How many skeletons are in YOUR home?! Fortunately, YOU'RE not God or the Pope either! And speaking of the Pope...he's JUST a MAN!! When will you people STOP looking upon other's for being more than they are?! Sure, we'd ALL like for these people to be saints (one way or another), but they're NOT. Judges, Lawyers, Police Officers, Priests, School Teachers,Presidents, etc...ALL FLAWED!!! Get REAL people!! LEAVE TIGER ALONE!!!!

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

Simply another variation on the "nobody's perfect" false dichotomy--as if the only two choices were "perfect" or "banged at least 120 women other than his wife while he was married."

Nobody's saying Tiger or anybody else has to be "saintly" to make a comment like he made. But there is such a thing as degree, isn't there? As in, it does matter whether a guy has cheated on his wife literally dozens of times while maintaining the "good guy" image publicly...

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

...versus somebody who, for example, had a carnal thought about a woman he saw on the beach, or something.

I mean, the truth is, you just don't think multiple instances of adultery over several years are all that big a deal. How do I know this? Because you'd never be making this "nobody's perfect, don't be so judgmental" defense of Tiger if he had molested children year after year. Point is, we _all_ make judgments, yourself included. You just don't make them about cheating.

[bentnrk]

@emncaity ..Still being judgmental, huh? One of YOUR statements: "...you just don't think multiple instances of adultery over several years are all that big a deal." How do you know?! Where's your proof?! Face it...you brought God AND the Pope into a special "speech" you'd like for Tiger to have given. YOU'RE the ONLY holier-than-thou here! Cheating is cheating in my book!! It doesn't matter the number OR length of time! I'm sure YOU'VE done things too that could equally be frowned upon!!!!

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

How do I know you don't think adultery is such a big deal? Go back and read your own words, and you'll find it.

As for being "holier-than-thou," I'm not holier than anything. We've all done things that can be "frowned upon." The critical word in your sentence, however, is "equally." No, I have not done things that are "equal" to banging over 120 women who are not my wife, when I'm a public figure and I know it will result in humiliation and ridicule for my wife and kids.

[bentnrk]

@emncaity..Again, from YOU..."I am not God or the pope anyway, and what I say does not have the quality of a holy pronouncement. I have enough to make up for myself." Empty words by you, indeed! You DO NOT believe in them!! You ONLY used them to POINT your finger, "Holier-than-Thou!" Apparently, one has to be "Saintly" to make such a statement. You are a HYPOCRITE!! Answer me this...Did you have sex BEFORE marriage? Did you ever cheat on any of them? Wife or not...YOU ARE JUST AS SCUMMY!!!!

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

What in the world does "sex before marriage" have to do with it? And no, I've never cheated--but so what? What are you, a complete moron? This isn't about only the fact of the cheating--repeatedly, over several years, with at least 120 women--but whether Woods should be talking about anybody else's marriage after having done so. What about that is lost on you?

[bentnrk]

@emncaity...You know, I stated I wouldn't comment again, but YOU are VERY ignorant (yes, ME being jugmental)!! From YOU: "This isn't about only the fact of the cheating--repeatedly, over several years, with at least 120 women--but whether Woods should be talking about anybody else's marriage after having done so." Where's the "FACT" that he cheated for SEVERAL years? Tiger admitted to AFFAIRS, but didn't mention length of time. Where's the "FACT" that the number is "at least 120 women?"....

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

If I give you sources for "the fact" that he slept with 120 or more women over a period of several years, would it make a difference? I mean, at that point, would you concede?

[bentnrk]

@emncaity...Oh, one more thing!! From YOU: " What in the world does "sex before marriage" have to do with it?" emncaity, the "FACT" that you asked that question...proves that YOU'RE the "Complete Moron!" I'll explain... Due to you bringing God and the Pope into this discussion, I thought perhaps you knew sex BEFORE marriage is considered a sin (by most religions)! So, if you've done this, you're JUST AS sinful as Tiger! Now, I must ask YOU.... What about THAT is lost on YOU??!!

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

I probably should just let your rants stand for the illogical drivel they are, but just in case you have some hidden capacity for understanding: Your ranting responses are based on your own presumptions about what I mean when I ask you "what in the world does sex before marriage have to do with it," about whether I myself engaged in it, etc. You appear to be incapable of making a distinction between the fact that Tiger did what he did (which is a separate question) and... (ct'd)

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

...(and) what it means for what he should or should not say in response to an interview question (which was the basis of my original post). As for your theological bent, if you know anything about, say, the Christian or Jewish religions, you know that from one perspective (original sin), all are sinners, but from another perspective, there is such a thing as more or less serious offenses. Now, if you'd like to make the case that a hypothetical person whose worst act is... (ct'd)

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

...to steal a piece of gum when he was 8 years old cannot criticize a serial killer for commenting on (for instance) how bad violence is on TV, go right ahead. We're not talking about a guy here who slept with his fiance and then married her and stayed faithful; this is a guy who broke his marriage vows (and thus broke the law) and humiliated his wife and children in an excessive and outrageous way. I'm no saint, but it's true that I've never done anything that rose near that level.

[bentnrk]

@emncaity...competitor's family. It's incredible to me you take issues with that!! You are a SICK and SAD individual. You've strayed off topic countless times, while RANTING like a mad man!! Please, seek professional (mental) help! I only hope your employment keeps you away from influencing others. If not, I know there's A LOT of people not happy working around you. And, for the love of children, I hope you're NOT a school teacher!! That WOULD be criminal!!!! Have a nice life and get treatment.

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

One more thing, re your "for the love of children" vomitus: In fact I did teach for several years, and reviews were unfailingly good. Sorry to burst your ranting little bubble there.

Also, I suppose it would be useless to point out the extreme hypocrisy of somebody (you) who is so hand-wringingly concerned with children, bringing them in as imaginary co-victims of bad treatment along with yourself, while at the same time defending a guy who has humiliated his own children for life.

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

And here's what's beautiful about your ridiculous point: It's based on the idea that if I had done something that wrong, or anything wrong at all, ever, I should have nothing to say about Woods. And yet, you're ranting against what I said originally, which was that Tiger, having done what he's done, should have nothing to say about somebody else's wife and/or marriage. In other words, your main argument completely deconstructs itself through its own hypocrisy.

[bentnrk]

@emncaity From YOU: "...Tiger, having done what he's done, should have nothing to say about somebody else's wife and/or marriage. In other words, your main argument completely deconstructs itself through its own hypocrisy." Dude, this video/ Tiger's comments regarding the Mickelsons is a topic of HEALTH relations! NOTHING MORE!! Had Tiger not commented, you'd (and other TW haters) said he's heartless and hates Amy as well as Phil. The man (Tiger) showed compassion towards a fellow....

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

Your speculation about what I "would have said" is about as screamingly irrational as the rest of your commentary. You still don't have any idea why what you've said is internally inconsistent and thus hypocritical.

As for "treatment" and "ranting" and such, I'm quite satisfied to let people read your posts and mine, and judge for themselves.

[bentnrk]

@emncaity...This will be my FINAL statement. And, it doesn't matter what you type from this point forward...just know this...YOU, dear sir, are NO BETTER than the person sitting next to you! Open your eyes to your OWN FAILURES!! Only then, will you be able to SHUT YOUR MOUTH towards others!!! Tiger's wealth has NO bearing towards my feelings about him. Only unrealistic, judgmental people like you gives life to such things. And yes, I DO believe certain sponsors will support someone with a.....

[bentnrk]

@emncaity..."less than stellar" background!! As long as there's MONEY to be made... AND, the public isn't aware, they WILL support them!! Are you THAT naive in this are, too?? This country was built on shady deals!!! Gosh, you have A LOT of growing up to do!!! Man, you've been a complete waste of time (but, time I shall no longer spend). Please, STOP BEING SO JUDGMENTAL!!!!

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

Good God. Can you think your way out of a wet paper bag? I'm not saying sponsors and fans won't "support" him. Of course they will.  They "supported" the hell out of Kobe Bryant even though he was (at best) either an adulterer who bought off his wife with a ring, or (at worst) a rapist who got away with it. But his basketball ability is crazy good, so who cares, right?

But hey, if you're all OK with shady deals and cheating over 120 times on your wife...so be it.

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

And BTW, I absolutely, positively, 100% guarantee that you yourself are "judgmental," just like nearly every other human being on the planet, in that you make judgments about what is good and bad every day.  The plain fact is, you just don't think it's all that big a deal that Woods curses in front of children nearly every time he tees it up, or that he had sex with dozens of women other than his wife and thus humiliated her and the children. That's your position. Live with it.

[bentnrk]

@emncaity...Finally, I think you should review this video again. Tiger was ONLY commenting on Amy's condition AND what it was like for him (personally with his father) from a similar position. YOU act as if Tiger was trying to give the Mickelsons marital advice on how to be a better couple. Dude, YOU ARE A JOKE!! You have A LOT of HATE towards Tiger, don't you?! You don't have to answer! It shows in your writing! STAY ON TOPIC, and STOP YOUR RANTING! Adding another BLACK athlete (Kobe), huh?!

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

Aaah, I see...we get to it. Playing the race card. If a black athlete commits an act that is either rape or adultery, don't say anything because some agenda-driven goofball like you is going to imply racism. As for the rest:

1. Once again, your rant against me is based not on what I actually said, but what you think I "act like." If you'd like to point to anywhere that I said Tiger was giving marital advice, feel free to do it, or be man enough to admit your error.

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[emncaity]

@bentnrk

2. Unlike somebody like you, who has to think simplistically, like a child, in terms of "hating" or "loving" somebody, no, I do not "hate" Tiger. I hate what he did. I am also able to distinguish between utter admiration for his game, his competitive drive, his mental toughness (clearly the best of his generation), etc., and what he did to his family. If you don't, that's your business, of course. (ct'd)

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

(2 ct'd): And even if I didn't hate what he did, I would think that would make commenting on the illness of another man's wife--a man with whom he has had a particularly prickly relationship, by the way--more than a little inappropriate, which was the point of my original post, which you keep sliding over in your glurge.

3. As for Kobe, he is merely the example that came to mind, mainly because he plays for a team I used to watch in person when I was growing up in L.A. (ct'd)

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

(3 ct'd):  Of course, a cowardly accuser such as yourself can try to smear somebody as a racist anytime. Doesn't surprise me. As for me, I consider it racist not to apply the same standards of behavior to everyone regardless of race, to expect less of somebody because he's black or Asian or white. Bryant happened to be an on-point example because he was married, because he apparently felt entitled enough to do what he did, and because the reaction of fans to what he did... (ct'd)

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

(3 ct'd): ...was a particularly relevant comparison to how Tiger-worshipers reacted to his own extended and outrageous infidelity, in that as long as the sports figure (Woods, Bryant, whoever) is spectacularly good at what he does, we should ignore things like rape-or-adultery, or serial adultery, so we keep getting our sports entertainment or hero-worship or whatever it is that people like you get out of it.

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

4. No further review needed. I would agree that Woods is uncharacteristically mature-sounding here and actually makes some good points re the comparisons between his father and Amy. Once again, although you seem incapable of understanding this, my original post had to do with the inappropriateness of Woods talking about anybody else's wife in public. If he wanted to go tell Mickelson this privately--and I can just about guarantee you he didn't--that'd be somewhat different.

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

Now: Please feel free to post more irrational off-point responses based on straw men and tangents. I think it is simply impossible for you to see this as an adult sees it. Your entire argument boils down to the following: -- Since all have sinned, nobody can criticize anybody else for anything. If you do, you're a "hater." (This is kind of a universal principle now.) -- Since nobody can criticize Woods, anything he says on any subject cannot be inappropriate.

[bentnrk]

@emncaity...And one more thing "Holier-than-Thou"...that's part of my point...Tiger DIDN'T molest anyone (thanks for being creepy, by the way!!!) He also didn't KILL anyone!!! Tiger hurt himself AND "HIS" family!!! He has to live with that for the rest of his life...NOT YOU!! If you bought into his "Good Guy" public image (as if he could do no wrong), then YOU'RE the fool!!!! I'll say it once more..."Get REAL people!!" Gosh, use Common Sense!!!!

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

Re molestation and murder: That's exactly why I say you don't think adultery is all that big a deal.

As for buying into the good-guy public image, it's a big part of where he made his money from. If he had been a molester or a paroled killer, do you really think his sponsors would've sunk all those millions into him? Really? You think the perception of his character had nothing to do with his riches? Besides, haven't you ever heard of a moral turpitude clause in a contract?

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

As for Tiger hurting himself and his family, you're right--and he did it publicly. Adultery is a crime just about everywhere; publicly-recorded marriage is a public institution; and when the fight that resulted from his adultery spilled out onto a public street, that further made it public. Then there were the tens (hundreds?) of millions of dollars in endorsements that traded on his image as a good family man, or at least as a guy who wasn't banging everybody who would have him.

[bentnrk]

@emncaity...YOUR statement regarding what Tiger should have said..."I am not God or the pope anyway, and what I say does not have the quality of a holy pronouncement. I have enough to make up for myself." emncaity, you see...had you believed in those words, and kept them to yourself instead of judging Tiger with them...WE would'nt be having this discussion right now!!!!

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

You don't have to be God or the pope or any other religious icon to know that a guy who had sex with dozens of women who weren't his wife, thus putting his wife and children through this public humiliation and spectacle, is not the guy to be making comments about anybody else's wife or marriage or anything related to either. That was the original point, and still is. And all of your Tigerphile ranting doesn't change it.

[emncaity]

@bentnrk

The point of the proposed speech was that TW would've been better off by taking the position that 1) people shouldn't be looking to him to make pronouncements about this sort of thing, and 2) particularly in his case, it's not a subject on which he should comment.

[hemet92544]

look at date/year of this vid, after press conf Tiger went and jumped gf's bones

[devmaggie]

Bum!

[TheScottyray12]

Tiger talking about loving a spouse. Real believable

[sammorgan1991]

no wonder u werent getting any sleep and all

[cp3334]

his comments were pretty nice

[xylitol333]

im not bashing tiger but the way he talked about amy it seemed like she had 6 months to live? who knows??? but im sure amy mickleson is a strong women and will recover through this.

[ahoghilllad]

Hey Tiger, ask your asshole caddie Steve Williams what he thinks. When he was asked about Mickelson he said" I hate the F*^#ing Prick" Now that`s real class.

[KenFerrieFan15]

@ahoghilllad how u know that? got evidence?

[Floidman22]

Tiger is such a douchebag... he starts talking about his dad, when asked about Amy and Phil. And what the hell is spouses are supposed to go together... ya if you are in a car accident, douche!!!

[vidann1]

When asked a question you do seem to look at it from your prespective so Tiger answered truthfully, it you had listened to the whole interview you would have learned that instead of looking for something negative. Grow up and stop trying to create an issue where there isn't one.

[Michaelafi42]

You're an idiot

[mockingarab]

affair

[MrSogeking1994]

5 stars