I'd say for them the definition of natural still allows (at very least):
Prohormones
DHEA
Anti-estrogens
Clenbuterol
Diuretics
Growth Hormone
Insulin
A lot of what of what they've achieved REALLY is down to hard work over many years, good training techniques, eating, day in and day out, but the above substances take them into the domain of not looking natural.
@playwithpassion exactly, cause I have been training right since 1977 and don't look freaky..............You can tell I train, cut these dudes are different
@jersdog I don't question your commitment and I certainly don't want to take away from your hard work, but I do question your terminology of "training right". There is no " right way". That's the beauty of it. It's a constant change, it's improving on the little things to effect the larger picture. Perhaps these guys are using a little extra stuff, but their genetic potential is through the roof!! I don't know your situation, but keep up the good work and don't give up!
@playwithpassion Im a natual BB at 242 19% bodyfat, 6 feet tall. I hav been bulking for 7 years from 168lbs to 242. I assure you, I do not use this shit, and honestly have not fucking clue what 3/4ths of the stuff you mentioned are.
In my situation, and other that are similar ot me, I assure you, ignorance is bliss in natural bodybuilding.
I remember Skips journal in 2006 when he was still training heavy-also his cardio was brutal intensity short sessions.Must be awesome to have such conditioning and fitness.
man ron coleman is huge..u cannot convince me he's not a juice pig..his size is freakishly huge...i dont doubt he works out hard..but to have the sheer amount of muscle growth without the use of roids..is really an impressive feat..if he is man thats amaazing.
@SilkySilv i think you may be thinking about Ronnie "Roids" Coleman buddy. The guy who eat, sleeps, drinks, and shits roids. This is "Ron" Coleman. He's nowhere near Ronnie's size...
@SilkySilv if you start out young 14 to 25 then you can get to your genetic potential much quicker for some people insanely fast. roids only come into play if you want to be in the ifbb and make a lot more money. cant buy no house with natural pro money
I don't think there is any merit to the idea that they don't "look" like drug users, just as there is no merit to the idea that they do "look" like drug users. Steroids do not give a certain look.
The reason why you can believe that they are natural is because they compete in natural bodybuilding shows. In order to compete, you must past numerous drug and polygraph tests. If you still don't believe they're natural (in the face of all the evidence) then that reflects poorly on you, not them.
to be that big drug free is got to be almost impossible. I would like to know there work out routine and nutrition schedule and supplements if any ???? i ahve been told growth hormone is undetectable in these natural bodybuilding drug screenings??? just curious I would never take it
@muleywatcher It's not "impossible" at all. I'm life-time drug free, and in a few years I'll be nearly as big as Skip was and no one will believe I'm natural. People are way too limited in their thinking...
No, that is not the IFBB pro Ronnie Coleman. He is referred to as the other Ron Coleman. These guys are a huge inspiration to those taking the drug free path. They don't look like drug users. You can tell certain differences in appearance.
@quixotee Sometimes if you use steroids you get a puffy look to your gut, like it's been distended. If you look at Ronnie Coleman, he's massively muscled, but his abs and gut look different than natural bodybuilders.
It has a lot to do with the thickness of the muscle. It has less to do with person's size. With natural guys their muscles bulge less, even when they're in great shape. Steroid muscles bulge more, and have a rounder look no matter how big or small the guy is.A trained eye can tell.
natural my ass!!! only an idiot would believe such stupidity.its strabge they even both with saying they are natural. pretty much natural for them just means small steroid cycles and some off time for testing rather than injecting an entire pharmacy. apart from that, these guys are boring.
Really now, well do you know that even small use of steroids will completely change the physique of a person? I'm not talking about being 30-50 pounds heavier. Their entire stucture changes, the way the muscles look, the amount of sattelite cells, the size of the nucleus in their fibers, all change for the remainder of their lives. To an untrained eye like yourself, these guys seem like they're juicing. To my trained eyes, as well as many others, these guys are natural.
@HellionX you are wrong. i have been bodybuilding for 16 years now. competition for 5 years, 2 first years natural. i know natural pro's personaly enough for them to come over my place for a meal every now and then. AND there is no such thing as a natural bodybuilder. you must be dumb or demented. and those 2 natural years i only had to meet sertain criteria to br "natural". your trained eye???? buhahaha your just an idiot, not a pro...so fuck off!! you know nothing over me.
Yeah, yelling on the internet makes you look very professional with your "16 years of bodybuilding". Tell me your placings and I'll see if I believe you. 16 years my ass... Quit riding Kevin Levrone's dick.
wtf ronnies voice was so much deeper back then. maybe he was natural then, his balls shrunk once he juiced, and now he has that high pitched voice lol
if you look at a natural bodybuilding magazine you can tell they are much smaller than the IFBB PROS. ??? or maybe these guys are juicing i dont know what to think anymore about bodybuilding???
personally I think they are all on it, even the so called natural guys, like anything not everyone wants to be a pro , so they arn't gonna juice as hard as jay cutler, coleman and all those guys
its dont ask dont tell. and steroids are not cheating anyway they simply allow big guys to get bigger. thats all. they dont do the work for them they simply open the door to larger gains that ur natural maximum would not permit. so as ul see in the pro's dvds they work dam hard for theyr gains. also in the wwe i can garontee you that at least 90%-95% or wwe stars use juice thats why its called wwe/entertainment not sports ie no testing
There are 2 different Ron Coleman's, the one here and 8 time Mr O. I think this is a great alternative to Wade's super volume program. Genetics do have alot to do with it, drug free or not...I'm inclined to believe that these 2 are predominantly mesomorphs so they can gain muscle easier while maintaining lower bodyfat levels. This bodytype isn't dependant on roids to gain excellent Muscle mass naturally. Beyond a certain point I'd say so but each persons "certain point" is different though.
Very few people are purely one type or the other...most of us are hybrids. I'm a cross between Meso and Ecto myself, think of Bob Paris, Berry Demey. Guys like Ronnie Coleman, Brock Lesnar tend to be Meso-Endo Hybrids. What notable person's bodytype could you identify with?
i really can't say. my forearms and calves are of ecto. no matter how much i train them they won't grow. shoulders maybe meso, along with back. i'm just guessing. look at my picture(click on my name). i'm the one with hulk hogan. i would appreciate your feedback.
Concentrate on wide uprights rows and Lateral as those will add some width to your shoulders. I can feel your pain on stubborn body parts...My Quads and Hams are my stubborn bodyparts. Nice Pic with the legend
I had the same problem with calves and legs, i am a true ectomorph, with a skyrocketing metabolism. I just increased the intensity, and over time the weight, as heavy as possible while keeping form. Then of course there is nutrition, i eat all organic, and every 3-4 hours.
It amazes me how people state their opinion like they actually KNOW something! No one except the athletes themselves KNOWS whether they used or not but you still get dumbasses saying "its obvious they're juiced" why because they're bigger than you and that hurts the old ego maybe? Some people were meant to be muscular and some(MOST) weren't. Get over it.
It's full of guys who say they're naturals because they take a lot less juice than the pro's or than other people who indulge on roids. Natural my ass! Even competitions for naturals are won by former drug users. Not only that, but there are a lot of ways for masking your drug intake and testing negative. And growth hormone use can't be detected. So there can't be such thing as a natural competition bodybuilder. The only naturals are seen in neighborhood gyms, struggling to look like juicers.
Just because you've never achieved anything meaningful without drugs doesn't mean that other people can't. You have no idea about what you're saying. These 2 guys are 5'11" and weigh 215lbs in contest shape. Steroids would allow them to be 240lbs, easliy... They look amazing because they have achieved an incredible level of conditioning... Most natural organizations make you take a polygraph and a urine sample. While it's not 100% fool proof, it makes people think twice about "cheating".
these two guys are definitely not natural. they may stop cycling steroids a few weeks out from a show to pass the testing, but if ur dumb enough to believe they are clean all year round, then that's your loss.
If that's the case, how come the 300lb Ronnie Coleman doesn't says he's natural too then. After all I'm sure he could pass a drug test if he wanted too. Wouldn't he get even more publicity??? 300lbs....6% body fat....ALL NATURAL
when have you heard ronnie say he takes steroids? look up the video where he describes getting his first pro-card and having to pass a urine test the night after the competition. he says he passed the steroid test without blinking. do u honestly believe he's clean? second, natural competitors get no recognition anyway. the greatest title in BBing is the IFBB olympia, a contest where every competitor is on the juice. sooner or later you're going to have to start thinking about the truth yourself.
You completely missed my point. I'm saying what's so great about being a natty BB. Why would a person lie and say they were if they're not. You're right, EVERYONE knows that IFBB Olympia competitors are juicing. But has Skip Lacour ever competed or even qualified for the Mr. Olympia??? Hell No!!!
Look at this bullshit summary the asshole poster wrote on this clip:
"Some good info on working out but whether they are natural or not is up for debate."
Why is it up for debate you fucking jerk off? They've been tested NUMEROUS times, they have been claiming natural for YEARS before you even were a fucking thought on Youtube and have proven themselves to be clean for so long someone would have caught them by now.
It's assholes like you that demonize hard working athletes. Fucking DICK.
What they are saying is great info trust me. I am a Natural and have been training for years. I am 6'1 240 all Muscle & NO ROIDS just plain Natural. SIX meals a day: Breakfast, snack, Lunch,snack then dinner. It can be done with a well balanced meal and complex carbs like oatmeal & brown rice.
They work out the same muscle once a week?! That is odd. I work the same muscle (like the pecs) at least 2 times a week. Their workout intensity must be so much greater than mine. I go as hard as I can in the gym and I feel fully recovered by 48-72 hours after a workout. I'm so confused, it seems like they have a huge opportunity cost not lifting as soon as they are recovered. Anyone have any input on rest time for a major muscle group? I'm not as big as them, but thanks prob b/c my diet sucks.
Doing that you over train. Just because your not sore does not mean your healed. There are three parts to bodybuilding: Training, nutrition, and rest. Working like that you are over training and will keep you from growing. Almost all bodybuilders do a split and work one group a week. Lift, feed your body right, and rest. That's how you grow.
"Almost all bodybuilders do a split and work one group a week. Lift, feed your body right, and rest. That's how you grow."
OH God. Never mind the hard work, dedication, or consistency necessary to see even one new muscle. Fucking IGNORAMUSES! YOU ARE DRIVING ME MAD ON YOUTUBE!
Hahaha. Wow. I wasn't aware I had to spell everything out. Did it occur to you, genius, that those three things require hard work, dedication, and consistency? So, i give you the "Nosh!t" award of the day. Next time I comment on anything I'll spell out ever single obvious thing so you don't get your panties in a bunch, ok Sally? lol. And if this is your "calling", I would re-evaluate your life. Enjoy.
He may have used to be on steroids to gain muscle fast then he stopped so he could be a natural bodybuilder, where the competition is smaller. Not saying he did, but I saw his pics on his site on where he started working out and he got big FAST.
i think the main point here is - "if they are using, they are not doing very well off it!"
come on guys, we all know that bloated roid or hgh look that u can't avoid, ESPECIALLY when shreding weight like these two. they just aint got the look - all natural i say...
I don't understand how the naturals call the people in the untested shows not natural phyiques. how is it not natural to increase your hormones that are already present in your body? It is just like saying it is not natural to increase the levels of creatine in your muscles beyond what they were before taking creatine. I personally would rather want to see a inhuman looking bodybuilder than a skinny man posing onstage.
Show me foods that contain testosterone or growth hormones. Creatine is a food constituent. I can think of plenty of foods with creatine, protein, or any other ingredient used in supplements. I get what you are trying to say; these stuff being synthesized and all that but many foods these days are. But the fact that they are naturally occuring in foods make them natural.
would you agree that it is not natural to take 5 grams of creatine, because it would take 20 pounds of steak to get that much just by eating. If they want to make it completely fair then ban all supplements, then make it food, training and rest.
Just because obtaining a nutrient is easier one way doesn't make it un-natural, it would take maybe 200 pounds of veggies to equate the creatine and protein content of one steak, that dosent make steak un-natural. The point of supplements is to make obtaining nutrients easier. Supplements is a fair game. You are acting like it is not availaible to everyone because it is. Natural items arent un-natural because they are slightly altered. Unless you see hydrogenated milk as unnatural.
anything that is synthetically made is not naturally ocurring even if you are talking about whey protien. It is unatural to eat 20 pounds of steak or 200 pounds of veggies. I think that natural bodybuilding is joke and is pathetic, especially the teenage division. Seriously who would pay thousands of dollars to fly down to las vegas and see your everyday gym trainer posing on stage, It would totally ruin the real sport of bodybuiling.
Man, you're totally right. Bodybuilding in general is a phoney sport, and natural bodybuilding is a joke. These two guys in the video are a couple of genetically scrawny midgets who claim to be natural because they're ashamed of the scarce size they've packed on while on drugs. They say "I juice and I'm small... I'm gonna claim to be natural so that I can be respected despite being nothing. That way I can also lecture people about nutrition and training."
Do your research. Skip La Cour is 5'10, which is taller than the average American (5'8). If you think they are not natural then go look up pro bodybuilders. Look at 5'4 Lee Priest, he weighs the same as Skip during competition!
So why do I believe he's natural? Because my friends and I use the same routine as him and it works (Max-OT). We may not be as big but we also haven't trained as long
I will, however, agree that bodybuilding isn't a sport though, its more like modeling than a sport.
these guys definitely didn't look like they juiced, they don't have overly veiny body parts or bulging stomachs. they probably use supplements, but i don't see them putting their integrity on the line (especially on espn) saying they're natural if they actually were using steroids.
and i've been using max-ot too for about 6 months now, gained almost 20 pounds straight muscle (i'm 5-10 200) and not even using supplements. so its definitely possible
Well, Skip has used clenbuterol (which he has said more than one time)... Maybe they dont use steroids (and never have) but somebody using certain "hardcore" things to get an edge in competition are not the more "self-convinced drug-free athletes" in my book...
Not taking anything from them (all respect) just saying...
it all falls under what you personaly believe to be "cheating" because the whole "natural" classification is really gray. like i dont consider guys who take prohormones to be on roids or cheating but thats just me
You bet! I have a friend who shattered his liver with roids and became a lifetime impotent and now competes in the natural division. He tells everybody he's a natural and his size is a consequence of 20 years of training. It's true hes been training for 20 years, but there's been a lot of sustanon and anadrol during that time...
The problem is not wether they are natural now but have they EVER used roids/growth etc. Many of the "natural" winners used roids in the past and then went natural. This is not fair to bodybuilders who have always been natural. You can mass up on roids then go natural and build more size than before using "muscle memory." Do you if think Jay Cutler went natural he would shrink to these guys size, no.
I don't know about the other guy but I know skip has been natural for life. As far as muscle memory goes, muscles don't actually have memory. It's more that your nervous system is used to doing the exercises and after a period of time off from lifting, your body can adapt back into it quicker than someone who has never lifted.Even if you took steroids in the past, they wouldn't help you in the future when you're natural. If anything, probably would hurt your ability to produce testosterone.
that are bigger, better symmetry, and alot more dryer than him but since he is weiders golden boy and he pretty muchs pays for his placing! he will place high and maybe get his procard but will never do anything in the pro division! sorry i got on that subject! i just hate that mother fucker! all he is is the next jay but smaller! jay should never of won the mr. o in06 07 but neither should ron! it was victor in 06 and victor or dennis in 07 its all rigged thats why levrone and wheeler never won
they just need a golden boy and give people that dont take steriods hope and when they do that there mags sells go way up! its all about sells! look at peter putnam they say he is the future bodybuilding and he lost 2-3 straight times at nationals and 1 time it was against a nobody that you never hear about it! i went to one of his seminars and he admitted that he pays somebody to talk to the judges and looking at the photos he will never make it because there were people that placed behind him!
it i physocally impossible to get as big as pro (non-natural) bodybuilders1 if you disagree with me then show me one!?! the guys might be natural in this video but they werent always natural! look at flex wheeler.he is still fucking huge and he is huge but as soon as he got of the juice he wasnt near the size as he was and they claim that micheal lockett is natural but my training partner compete in the nationals in chicago last year and talked to him and e openly admitted that he is not!
I have 18" arms, less than 8% body fat, I am only 20 and the only supplements that i take are protein and creatine. Proof that you can develop large muscles without altering your natural testosterone levels. If i could i would take a polygraph to prove it but unfortunately i can't.
So what? I have 17.5 arms at 14% BF, but Ronnie Coleman has 23' arms at 3 % bf. YOU CAN buid muscles without steroids, but YOU CAN'T get as big as them without them. Now, Skip is natural, and that's the biggest you can get without steroids.
prosteous 180, yu are one ignorant person. i have several family and friends in colombia who work out and are significantly large. you think they have the money to afford steroids let alone performance sups?!?!?! that is proof right their. and also, i have several friends who i work out with who have great physiques and they are against the use of steroids or even supps.
Does anyone have hard evidence that proves that it is possible for humans to develop incredibly large muscles without using performance enhancing drugs?
I am not talking about minor increases in muscle mass. This observable fact has been known since antiquity. I am talking about significant increases in muscle mass. This phenomenon only started to occur just before the 1890's; at the exact same time athletes began using testosterone extracted from animals. (Google the name James "pud" Galvin)
It is a biological fact that a certain amount of muscle mass always requires a certain amount of testosterone. This relationship explains the following facts:
1) An adult male is always significantly stronger than an adult female.
2) An adult male is always significantly stronger than a prepubescent male child.
3) A castrated male will always lose extensive amounts of muscle mass.
The testosterone levels of a human can vary significantly from one second to the next and your testosterone levels at any given moment can be influenced by the environment, but at the end of the day the TOTAL daily output of testosterone is ALWAYS practically the same.
How much testosterone a human produces per day is a fixed genetic trait. Therefore humans cannot significantly increase their muscle mass.
There is absolutely no rigours scientific evidence that shows that a drug free male can significantly alter his TOTAL daily production of testosterone.
Zero, zilch, nil, nothing, null, cero, sweet fuck all
lol guys i give you a new thing to discuss about and its called myostatin. Search it in google. what do you think about that? With myostatin blocker you could develop large muscles with your natural test level and with no training or something like that. Opinions?
Why are people saying Coleman wasn't natural here? He CLEARLY was lol, dude looks like bearly 200, this was fucking almost 2 decades ago you morons of course he was natural here. Wow a completely different man back then.
They say 1 body part per week. I've also been told to group the muscles to make it 4 days. I know Arnold did just 2 days w/everything grouped. But My muscles feel completely healed after 3-4 days and dont see the need of waiting another 3 to hit them again. So what is best?
RESEARCH shows that weight training increases the natural levels of serum testosterone in your blood. Testosterone causes an increase in satellite cell production, causing muscle hypertrophy. Weightlifting=increase testosteone=bigger muscles. Case closed. Now please stop posting lies.
Many factors can increase your IMMEDIATE testosterone levels. But can you increase your total daily output of testosterone? If you produce a lot more testosterone in the morning than you typically do [for whatever reason] then will you simply produce less testosterone than you typically do in the afternoon and evening?
When a male goes through puberty his testosterone levels will increase considerably. The male's muscle mass and strength levels will notably increase WITHOUT the need of resistance training.
Very true, but if that same pubescent male utilizes resistance training, his strength and size will greatly exceed that if he didn't strength train. He is utilizing what testosterone he has in his blood naturally. Just like an adult male with high levels of naturally produced test will have greater strength and size if he resistance trains. Therefore, humans CAN significantly increase muscle mass w/out 'roids. You are perpetuating dangerous untruths by your previous statements.
When a male naturally goes through puberty his body will fully utilise the extra testosterone in his body but when a fully developed adult male artificially puts his body through puberty again [i.e. goes on a steroid cycle] his body will NOT fully utilise the extra testosterone in his body. A steroid using adult male must FORCE his body to utilise the extra testosterone in his system. Arduous resistance training will force the human body to fully utilise this extra artificial testosterone.
Some of you guys are straight up idiots, if you Diet, Genetics and Training you'll be alright. Some people can train all they want in effort to Jump like Michael Jordan but most people will never get their why "Genetics" - either you have it or you don't does that mean Michael Jordan is using steroids - nope! There are good natural bodybuilders who are awesome and can go pro. Dumb asses...
There is a large degree of variation among humans. If you took 1000 UNTRAINED men and put them through basic physical tests you would find some startling differences. Some of these untrained men will be significantly stronger, faster and fitter than the rest. These are natural advantages. Now, if you trained all 1000 of these men you will improve all of them. But you will still have the same champions. My argument has nothing to do with this.
My argument simply states an obvious fact. Humans cannot significantly increase their muscle mass because humans cannot significantly increase their daily production of testosterone. This should be bloody obvious.
Dude, I put on 45 pounds of muscle steroid-free. But it is true that there are MANY hypocrites that claim to be steroid free but truly aren't. Most of the top "natural" bodybuilders use right up until before the contest and then cycle off.
There is no such thing as "bodybuilding" without synthetic hormones. This should be obvious. Extra muscle mass needs extra testosterone, and the only way an adult male can increase his testosterone levels is by using synthetic hormones. This is not complicated!
The only thing you can do is "condition" your existing muscle mass.
Your testes and your adrenal glands are working to full capacity, or at least very close to full capacity. Testosterone levels can vary widely throughout the day but your daily average output of testosterone will be fairly constant.
That is ridiculous. Extra muscle mass is SUPPORTED by testosterone, but it is the adaptation of muscle fibers to overload that causes hypertrophy. That is why bodybuilders, natural or otherwise, must still lift weights with great intensity and regularity to achieve the mass and definition. That is why any dumb-ass can shoot themselves with roids, but will accomplish nothing but acne and hair loss without doing the work that is necessary.
"If your body cannot increase its testosterone production then you cannot increase your muscle mass, even if you were training correctly for the next 20 years!"
"Extra testosterone is needed to build and maintain extra muscle mass"
Testosterone levels are genetic. There is nothing you can do to increase your natural testosterone levels. Therefore you cannot increase your muscle mass. The only thing you can do is "condition" your existing muscle mass.
These guys sound so fake when they talk LOL
neomysterio 20 hours ago
I would think all that straining would result in a gym full of passed gas.
kevseb66 6 months ago
0:26 'looking huge' the MOST homosexual comment iv ever head in a workout video, absolutely halarious
TheFra53r 8 months ago
natural >>>
Magicalbadgerhand 10 months ago
Yes, they are "natural" ...
fcbayernmun 11 months ago
If these guys are natural so are Ronnie Coleman and Markus Ruhl.
SuperTongpo 1 year ago
I'd say for them the definition of natural still allows (at very least):
Prohormones
DHEA
Anti-estrogens
Clenbuterol
Diuretics
Growth Hormone
Insulin
A lot of what of what they've achieved REALLY is down to hard work over many years, good training techniques, eating, day in and day out, but the above substances take them into the domain of not looking natural.
playwithpassion 1 year ago 4
@playwithpassion exactly, cause I have been training right since 1977 and don't look freaky..............You can tell I train, cut these dudes are different
jersdog 4 months ago
@jersdog I don't question your commitment and I certainly don't want to take away from your hard work, but I do question your terminology of "training right". There is no " right way". That's the beauty of it. It's a constant change, it's improving on the little things to effect the larger picture. Perhaps these guys are using a little extra stuff, but their genetic potential is through the roof!! I don't know your situation, but keep up the good work and don't give up!
BodybuildinginTX 2 months ago
@playwithpassion Im a natual BB at 242 19% bodyfat, 6 feet tall. I hav been bulking for 7 years from 168lbs to 242. I assure you, I do not use this shit, and honestly have not fucking clue what 3/4ths of the stuff you mentioned are.
In my situation, and other that are similar ot me, I assure you, ignorance is bliss in natural bodybuilding.
syphe101 7 hours ago
I remember Skips journal in 2006 when he was still training heavy-also his cardio was brutal intensity short sessions.Must be awesome to have such conditioning and fitness.
layyah0905 1 year ago
SteroidsR4Losers works for Youtube and Google
Montez4000 1 year ago
man ron coleman is huge..u cannot convince me he's not a juice pig..his size is freakishly huge...i dont doubt he works out hard..but to have the sheer amount of muscle growth without the use of roids..is really an impressive feat..if he is man thats amaazing.
SilkySilv 1 year ago
@SilkySilv i think you may be thinking about Ronnie "Roids" Coleman buddy. The guy who eat, sleeps, drinks, and shits roids. This is "Ron" Coleman. He's nowhere near Ronnie's size...
TheHardTruth101 1 year ago
@SilkySilv if you start out young 14 to 25 then you can get to your genetic potential much quicker for some people insanely fast. roids only come into play if you want to be in the ifbb and make a lot more money. cant buy no house with natural pro money
50centfaneminem 1 year ago
I don't think there is any merit to the idea that they don't "look" like drug users, just as there is no merit to the idea that they do "look" like drug users. Steroids do not give a certain look.
The reason why you can believe that they are natural is because they compete in natural bodybuilding shows. In order to compete, you must past numerous drug and polygraph tests. If you still don't believe they're natural (in the face of all the evidence) then that reflects poorly on you, not them.
donovanbrambila 1 year ago
they r not natural
sphinxofthenewage 1 year ago
dont belive hes natural
manzarek74 1 year ago
@manzarek74 they're not that big, bro
Mu5clehead 1 year ago
to be that big drug free is got to be almost impossible. I would like to know there work out routine and nutrition schedule and supplements if any ???? i ahve been told growth hormone is undetectable in these natural bodybuilding drug screenings??? just curious I would never take it
muleywatcher 1 year ago
@muleywatcher It's not "impossible" at all. I'm life-time drug free, and in a few years I'll be nearly as big as Skip was and no one will believe I'm natural. People are way too limited in their thinking...
RJORRIS 1 week ago 4
@RJORRIS YES, I AGREE 100%
fatlosslifestyle 21 hours ago
CANT STAND SO MUCH HYPOCRESY
corporacionmonstruo 1 year ago
No, that is not the IFBB pro Ronnie Coleman. He is referred to as the other Ron Coleman. These guys are a huge inspiration to those taking the drug free path. They don't look like drug users. You can tell certain differences in appearance.
sexee509 1 year ago
these guys look like theyre on roids
ak34809723 1 year ago
i wonder how all the "experts" commenting on this vid figure out whether a bodybuilder is on 'roids or not.
quixotee 2 years ago 2
@quixotee Sometimes if you use steroids you get a puffy look to your gut, like it's been distended. If you look at Ronnie Coleman, he's massively muscled, but his abs and gut look different than natural bodybuilders.
Bookstop1337 2 years ago
okay. that sounds logical. Thanks for the info..
quixotee 2 years ago
It has a lot to do with the thickness of the muscle. It has less to do with person's size. With natural guys their muscles bulge less, even when they're in great shape. Steroid muscles bulge more, and have a rounder look no matter how big or small the guy is.A trained eye can tell.
torresstr8 1 year ago
natural my ass!!! only an idiot would believe such stupidity.its strabge they even both with saying they are natural. pretty much natural for them just means small steroid cycles and some off time for testing rather than injecting an entire pharmacy. apart from that, these guys are boring.
MrD1ss 2 years ago
Really now, well do you know that even small use of steroids will completely change the physique of a person? I'm not talking about being 30-50 pounds heavier. Their entire stucture changes, the way the muscles look, the amount of sattelite cells, the size of the nucleus in their fibers, all change for the remainder of their lives. To an untrained eye like yourself, these guys seem like they're juicing. To my trained eyes, as well as many others, these guys are natural.
HellionX 2 years ago
@HellionX you are wrong. i have been bodybuilding for 16 years now. competition for 5 years, 2 first years natural. i know natural pro's personaly enough for them to come over my place for a meal every now and then. AND there is no such thing as a natural bodybuilder. you must be dumb or demented. and those 2 natural years i only had to meet sertain criteria to br "natural". your trained eye???? buhahaha your just an idiot, not a pro...so fuck off!! you know nothing over me.
MrD1ss 2 years ago
Yeah, yelling on the internet makes you look very professional with your "16 years of bodybuilding". Tell me your placings and I'll see if I believe you. 16 years my ass... Quit riding Kevin Levrone's dick.
HellionX 2 years ago 2
Why am I watching this crap!
Irondukesteve 2 years ago
100% pure natural
-respect
Mu5clehead 2 years ago
as natural as my dish deturgent !!!
bobxoo 2 years ago
Ha Ha very funny
goodddmannn 2 years ago
Does Skip La Cour have a wife or children?
krogdog 2 years ago
re Natural , think it depends on the definition of the word "drugs" you guys have some "natural "stuff over there that is banned here in Australia
hunkydaboyz 2 years ago
THIS IS NOT RONNIE COLEMAN 8 TIME MR. O
Pimpinaintezy 2 years ago 2
why doesn't ESPN show bodybuilding programs anymore?
yashespatel 2 years ago 2
my gym has the same cybex weights. LOL they make the same noise. reminds me of benching at my gym without an mp3 player
wwejackjtube 2 years ago
wtf ronnies voice was so much deeper back then. maybe he was natural then, his balls shrunk once he juiced, and now he has that high pitched voice lol
WIGTRON5000 2 years ago
this a different ronnie coleman in the natural catergory not one of the IFBB bodybuilders
wwejackjtube 2 years ago
theres 2 ronnie colemans? i doubt it. ronnie wasnt always huge, and this vid is def old
WIGTRON5000 2 years ago
no, there are two. Go aheead and look him up online
StayGoldHC 2 years ago
wow i cant believe that there is a natural ron coleman and a steroid ron coleman. i find it humorous
WIGTRON5000 2 years ago
hahah nope thats THE ronnie coleman!
MusclesRUS56 2 years ago
lol is that really the 8 time mr o ronnie coleman back in the day??
ak34809723 1 year ago
they wave a flag saying natural, how the fuck can they actually think anyone believes them
freedomsoldier187 2 years ago
if you look at a natural bodybuilding magazine you can tell they are much smaller than the IFBB PROS. ??? or maybe these guys are juicing i dont know what to think anymore about bodybuilding???
wwejackjtube 2 years ago
personally I think they are all on it, even the so called natural guys, like anything not everyone wants to be a pro , so they arn't gonna juice as hard as jay cutler, coleman and all those guys
But they still hit it to give them an edge
freedomsoldier187 2 years ago
its dont ask dont tell. and steroids are not cheating anyway they simply allow big guys to get bigger. thats all. they dont do the work for them they simply open the door to larger gains that ur natural maximum would not permit. so as ul see in the pro's dvds they work dam hard for theyr gains. also in the wwe i can garontee you that at least 90%-95% or wwe stars use juice thats why its called wwe/entertainment not sports ie no testing
loki198555 2 years ago
of coarse hes natural he looks like shit!
Deathninja5 2 years ago
My god.
That's 100% roids man, no need to make a debate out of it.
sarcol 2 years ago
naw, i can actually believe skip or ron being natural. skip uses MAX-OT training which adds a fuck-ton of size to anyone.
yashespatel 2 years ago
I'm on Max-OT man I know its massive.
Still Ronnie natural??
Or the bald guy?
sarcol 2 years ago
skip is all natural. he's a strong motherfucker too
yashespatel 2 years ago
"Natural" F OFF robs. full of sh%t.
dja0002 2 years ago
this has got to be the most homo-erotic series of workout tips I have ever seen.
yashespatel 2 years ago
tht is nt ronnie coleman
brutishiron 2 years ago
holy smokes doesn't even look like ron coleman. wow!!!
selim741 2 years ago
There are 2 different Ron Coleman's, the one here and 8 time Mr O. I think this is a great alternative to Wade's super volume program. Genetics do have alot to do with it, drug free or not...I'm inclined to believe that these 2 are predominantly mesomorphs so they can gain muscle easier while maintaining lower bodyfat levels. This bodytype isn't dependant on roids to gain excellent Muscle mass naturally. Beyond a certain point I'd say so but each persons "certain point" is different though.
STEALTH872003 2 years ago
what is my body type. i have no idea. do i fall in between endo and meso.
selim741 2 years ago
Very few people are purely one type or the other...most of us are hybrids. I'm a cross between Meso and Ecto myself, think of Bob Paris, Berry Demey. Guys like Ronnie Coleman, Brock Lesnar tend to be Meso-Endo Hybrids. What notable person's bodytype could you identify with?
STEALTH872003 2 years ago
i really can't say. my forearms and calves are of ecto. no matter how much i train them they won't grow. shoulders maybe meso, along with back. i'm just guessing. look at my picture(click on my name). i'm the one with hulk hogan. i would appreciate your feedback.
selim741 2 years ago
Concentrate on wide uprights rows and Lateral as those will add some width to your shoulders. I can feel your pain on stubborn body parts...My Quads and Hams are my stubborn bodyparts. Nice Pic with the legend
STEALTH872003 2 years ago
I had the same problem with calves and legs, i am a true ectomorph, with a skyrocketing metabolism. I just increased the intensity, and over time the weight, as heavy as possible while keeping form. Then of course there is nutrition, i eat all organic, and every 3-4 hours.
pacifront83 2 years ago
Way to go for these guys but this Ron Coleman is not the same guy as the other Ronnie Coleman
HeyZeus4567 2 years ago
It amazes me how people state their opinion like they actually KNOW something! No one except the athletes themselves KNOWS whether they used or not but you still get dumbasses saying "its obvious they're juiced" why because they're bigger than you and that hurts the old ego maybe? Some people were meant to be muscular and some(MOST) weren't. Get over it.
scootyman10 2 years ago
actually is proven Coleman is 5'9
mstymoon 2 years ago
It's full of guys who say they're naturals because they take a lot less juice than the pro's or than other people who indulge on roids. Natural my ass! Even competitions for naturals are won by former drug users. Not only that, but there are a lot of ways for masking your drug intake and testing negative. And growth hormone use can't be detected. So there can't be such thing as a natural competition bodybuilder. The only naturals are seen in neighborhood gyms, struggling to look like juicers.
CORXX 2 years ago
Just because you've never achieved anything meaningful without drugs doesn't mean that other people can't. You have no idea about what you're saying. These 2 guys are 5'11" and weigh 215lbs in contest shape. Steroids would allow them to be 240lbs, easliy... They look amazing because they have achieved an incredible level of conditioning... Most natural organizations make you take a polygraph and a urine sample. While it's not 100% fool proof, it makes people think twice about "cheating".
dmantbo 2 years ago
you spoke the truth there dude! 100%
watanabehefuml 2 years ago
is this a real video? i can't get passed his undeserved sense of accomplishement smile...fucking faggots, natural my ass.
crazymuthaphukr 2 years ago
these two guys are definitely not natural. they may stop cycling steroids a few weeks out from a show to pass the testing, but if ur dumb enough to believe they are clean all year round, then that's your loss.
havemercybabe 3 years ago
If that's the case, how come the 300lb Ronnie Coleman doesn't says he's natural too then. After all I'm sure he could pass a drug test if he wanted too. Wouldn't he get even more publicity??? 300lbs....6% body fat....ALL NATURAL
Destineeambrose 3 years ago
when have you heard ronnie say he takes steroids? look up the video where he describes getting his first pro-card and having to pass a urine test the night after the competition. he says he passed the steroid test without blinking. do u honestly believe he's clean? second, natural competitors get no recognition anyway. the greatest title in BBing is the IFBB olympia, a contest where every competitor is on the juice. sooner or later you're going to have to start thinking about the truth yourself.
havemercybabe 3 years ago 2
You completely missed my point. I'm saying what's so great about being a natty BB. Why would a person lie and say they were if they're not. You're right, EVERYONE knows that IFBB Olympia competitors are juicing. But has Skip Lacour ever competed or even qualified for the Mr. Olympia??? Hell No!!!
Destineeambrose 3 years ago
yes you are correct.............they are wrong to deceive..it blatantly obvious there are NOT CLEAN
jonboygood1 2 years ago 2
how is it blatantly obvious?
increasinglyparanoid 2 years ago
Look at this bullshit summary the asshole poster wrote on this clip:
"Some good info on working out but whether they are natural or not is up for debate."
Why is it up for debate you fucking jerk off? They've been tested NUMEROUS times, they have been claiming natural for YEARS before you even were a fucking thought on Youtube and have proven themselves to be clean for so long someone would have caught them by now.
It's assholes like you that demonize hard working athletes. Fucking DICK.
whoregay 3 years ago
I think skip did used roids on the start of his bbuilding career. He got big very fast. Later he quited to used them in my opinion
ezequieljuanito 3 years ago
Well your opinion sucks.
holisimaka 3 years ago 5
lol
redmeth07 3 years ago
What they are saying is great info trust me. I am a Natural and have been training for years. I am 6'1 240 all Muscle & NO ROIDS just plain Natural. SIX meals a day: Breakfast, snack, Lunch,snack then dinner. It can be done with a well balanced meal and complex carbs like oatmeal & brown rice.
MIKE45688 3 years ago
They work out the same muscle once a week?! That is odd. I work the same muscle (like the pecs) at least 2 times a week. Their workout intensity must be so much greater than mine. I go as hard as I can in the gym and I feel fully recovered by 48-72 hours after a workout. I'm so confused, it seems like they have a huge opportunity cost not lifting as soon as they are recovered. Anyone have any input on rest time for a major muscle group? I'm not as big as them, but thanks prob b/c my diet sucks.
400hurdle 3 years ago
Doing that you over train. Just because your not sore does not mean your healed. There are three parts to bodybuilding: Training, nutrition, and rest. Working like that you are over training and will keep you from growing. Almost all bodybuilders do a split and work one group a week. Lift, feed your body right, and rest. That's how you grow.
dcp3450 3 years ago
Dipshit3450 uttered the following hyperbole:
"Almost all bodybuilders do a split and work one group a week. Lift, feed your body right, and rest. That's how you grow."
OH God. Never mind the hard work, dedication, or consistency necessary to see even one new muscle. Fucking IGNORAMUSES! YOU ARE DRIVING ME MAD ON YOUTUBE!
whoregay 3 years ago
Hahaha. Wow. I wasn't aware I had to spell everything out. Did it occur to you, genius, that those three things require hard work, dedication, and consistency? So, i give you the "Nosh!t" award of the day. Next time I comment on anything I'll spell out ever single obvious thing so you don't get your panties in a bunch, ok Sally? lol. And if this is your "calling", I would re-evaluate your life. Enjoy.
dcp3450 3 years ago
LOL - I thought by "Ron" Coleman you meant Ronnie Coleman. Nothing even remotely natural about that dude.
ChicagoFusion 3 years ago 6
skip is big but doesnt look big enough to be on roids. Ronnie on the other hand is fucking huge.
shlokda 3 years ago
He may have used to be on steroids to gain muscle fast then he stopped so he could be a natural bodybuilder, where the competition is smaller. Not saying he did, but I saw his pics on his site on where he started working out and he got big FAST.
HandelandJ 3 years ago
different Ronnie Coleman.
Martinl792002 3 years ago
i think the main point here is - "if they are using, they are not doing very well off it!"
come on guys, we all know that bloated roid or hgh look that u can't avoid, ESPECIALLY when shreding weight like these two. they just aint got the look - all natural i say...
bigwig13 3 years ago
I don't understand how the naturals call the people in the untested shows not natural phyiques. how is it not natural to increase your hormones that are already present in your body? It is just like saying it is not natural to increase the levels of creatine in your muscles beyond what they were before taking creatine. I personally would rather want to see a inhuman looking bodybuilder than a skinny man posing onstage.
king989killers 3 years ago
Show me foods that contain testosterone or growth hormones. Creatine is a food constituent. I can think of plenty of foods with creatine, protein, or any other ingredient used in supplements. I get what you are trying to say; these stuff being synthesized and all that but many foods these days are. But the fact that they are naturally occuring in foods make them natural.
Rockafellaz726 3 years ago
would you agree that it is not natural to take 5 grams of creatine, because it would take 20 pounds of steak to get that much just by eating. If they want to make it completely fair then ban all supplements, then make it food, training and rest.
king989killers 3 years ago
Just because obtaining a nutrient is easier one way doesn't make it un-natural, it would take maybe 200 pounds of veggies to equate the creatine and protein content of one steak, that dosent make steak un-natural. The point of supplements is to make obtaining nutrients easier. Supplements is a fair game. You are acting like it is not availaible to everyone because it is. Natural items arent un-natural because they are slightly altered. Unless you see hydrogenated milk as unnatural.
Rockafellaz726 3 years ago 2
anything that is synthetically made is not naturally ocurring even if you are talking about whey protien. It is unatural to eat 20 pounds of steak or 200 pounds of veggies. I think that natural bodybuilding is joke and is pathetic, especially the teenage division. Seriously who would pay thousands of dollars to fly down to las vegas and see your everyday gym trainer posing on stage, It would totally ruin the real sport of bodybuiling.
king989killers 3 years ago
Man, you're totally right. Bodybuilding in general is a phoney sport, and natural bodybuilding is a joke. These two guys in the video are a couple of genetically scrawny midgets who claim to be natural because they're ashamed of the scarce size they've packed on while on drugs. They say "I juice and I'm small... I'm gonna claim to be natural so that I can be respected despite being nothing. That way I can also lecture people about nutrition and training."
CORXX 2 years ago
Do your research. Skip La Cour is 5'10, which is taller than the average American (5'8). If you think they are not natural then go look up pro bodybuilders. Look at 5'4 Lee Priest, he weighs the same as Skip during competition!
So why do I believe he's natural? Because my friends and I use the same routine as him and it works (Max-OT). We may not be as big but we also haven't trained as long
I will, however, agree that bodybuilding isn't a sport though, its more like modeling than a sport.
sarsattacks 2 years ago
these guys definitely didn't look like they juiced, they don't have overly veiny body parts or bulging stomachs. they probably use supplements, but i don't see them putting their integrity on the line (especially on espn) saying they're natural if they actually were using steroids.
and i've been using max-ot too for about 6 months now, gained almost 20 pounds straight muscle (i'm 5-10 200) and not even using supplements. so its definitely possible
irishlax13 2 years ago
Well, Skip has used clenbuterol (which he has said more than one time)... Maybe they dont use steroids (and never have) but somebody using certain "hardcore" things to get an edge in competition are not the more "self-convinced drug-free athletes" in my book...
Not taking anything from them (all respect) just saying...
jpg102 2 years ago
agreed!
Dudelookslikeeylady 2 years ago
it all falls under what you personaly believe to be "cheating" because the whole "natural" classification is really gray. like i dont consider guys who take prohormones to be on roids or cheating but thats just me
martiniman440 3 years ago
You bet! I have a friend who shattered his liver with roids and became a lifetime impotent and now competes in the natural division. He tells everybody he's a natural and his size is a consequence of 20 years of training. It's true hes been training for 20 years, but there's been a lot of sustanon and anadrol during that time...
CORXX 2 years ago
wow, that does not even look like big ronnie. unbelivable. now he is the biggest bodybuilder.
selim741 3 years ago
markus ruhl is much bigger
USAisgay 2 years ago
i agree. markus ruhl is the biggest.
selim741 2 years ago
what a great script...they sound like robots talking
qanders2 3 years ago 9
hahaha theres 2 ronnie coleman's !! thats awesome LOL
abodigibine69 3 years ago
Bowman, agree with most BUT check out Jeff Willet always natural and amazing!
littleboeep 3 years ago
The problem is not wether they are natural now but have they EVER used roids/growth etc. Many of the "natural" winners used roids in the past and then went natural. This is not fair to bodybuilders who have always been natural. You can mass up on roids then go natural and build more size than before using "muscle memory." Do you if think Jay Cutler went natural he would shrink to these guys size, no.
silicon2001 3 years ago
I don't know about the other guy but I know skip has been natural for life. As far as muscle memory goes, muscles don't actually have memory. It's more that your nervous system is used to doing the exercises and after a period of time off from lifting, your body can adapt back into it quicker than someone who has never lifted.Even if you took steroids in the past, they wouldn't help you in the future when you're natural. If anything, probably would hurt your ability to produce testosterone.
kingv911 3 years ago
that are bigger, better symmetry, and alot more dryer than him but since he is weiders golden boy and he pretty muchs pays for his placing! he will place high and maybe get his procard but will never do anything in the pro division! sorry i got on that subject! i just hate that mother fucker! all he is is the next jay but smaller! jay should never of won the mr. o in06 07 but neither should ron! it was victor in 06 and victor or dennis in 07 its all rigged thats why levrone and wheeler never won
bowman455 3 years ago
they just need a golden boy and give people that dont take steriods hope and when they do that there mags sells go way up! its all about sells! look at peter putnam they say he is the future bodybuilding and he lost 2-3 straight times at nationals and 1 time it was against a nobody that you never hear about it! i went to one of his seminars and he admitted that he pays somebody to talk to the judges and looking at the photos he will never make it because there were people that placed behind him!
bowman455 3 years ago
it i physocally impossible to get as big as pro (non-natural) bodybuilders1 if you disagree with me then show me one!?! the guys might be natural in this video but they werent always natural! look at flex wheeler.he is still fucking huge and he is huge but as soon as he got of the juice he wasnt near the size as he was and they claim that micheal lockett is natural but my training partner compete in the nationals in chicago last year and talked to him and e openly admitted that he is not!
bowman455 3 years ago
its not just how much muscle you can build that akes you a gifted bodybuilder but how fast you can put it on.
nighthawkjac 3 years ago
because if hes 5 8 are 6 foot hes a geneticaly gifted.
nighthawkjac 3 years ago
how tall is ron colemon and how much does he way?
nighthawkjac 3 years ago
WTF? That can't be Ronnie Coleman? How old is this video? If that really is Ronnie Coleman, then what happened to his voice?
UrizenTheNegator 3 years ago
that is ron coleman. often confused with steroid head Ronnie coleman. he is all natural though. they are tested for steroids in his competitions.
fverv 3 years ago
EXTRAORDINARY claims require EXTRAORDINARY evidence.
Proteus180 3 years ago
I have 18" arms, less than 8% body fat, I am only 20 and the only supplements that i take are protein and creatine. Proof that you can develop large muscles without altering your natural testosterone levels. If i could i would take a polygraph to prove it but unfortunately i can't.
jammasterjon 3 years ago
So what? I have 17.5 arms at 14% BF, but Ronnie Coleman has 23' arms at 3 % bf. YOU CAN buid muscles without steroids, but YOU CAN'T get as big as them without them. Now, Skip is natural, and that's the biggest you can get without steroids.
UrizenTheNegator 3 years ago
i think you are right urizen the body has is muscle growth limmits but i believe it might fall inbetween 230, to 240. those are the natraul monsters.
nighthawkjac 3 years ago
230 - 240 for a 5'10 - 5 '11 men. But for taller men (6'6 - 6'8) (not giants such as Great Khali) it can go as far as 300 pounds at 3% bf.
UrizenTheNegator 3 years ago
that is a different ronnie coleman not the mr olympia ronnie coleman and that guy takes juice by the truck load
jammasterjon 3 years ago 4
Yea.
UrizenTheNegator 3 years ago
no they are tested in his competitons. look it up. i think its called natural mr.olympia but not sure .
fverv 3 years ago
wtf the guy at the beginning isnt Ronnie Coleman wtf ....
portnoyownsnoobs 3 years ago
prosteous 180, yu are one ignorant person. i have several family and friends in colombia who work out and are significantly large. you think they have the money to afford steroids let alone performance sups?!?!?! that is proof right their. and also, i have several friends who i work out with who have great physiques and they are against the use of steroids or even supps.
swolecam32 3 years ago
"If you want to develop large muscles you have to artificially increase your testosterone levels.
Anyone who claims otherwise is either a lying bastard or a god damn retard.
There is always some shithead who claims that it is possible to develop huge muscles without drugs.
The only thing I would say to such a person is: PROVE IT!
If you can't prove it then SHUT THE FUCK UP! "
Proteus180 3 years ago
failure, go cry somewhere else, you lazy, ignorant, smartass.
muscleoffigus 3 years ago
natural bodybuilder ?? skip la cour?? comon ....
zanon111 3 years ago
they are natural..
halkvideos 3 years ago
Does anyone have hard evidence that proves that it is possible for humans to develop incredibly large muscles without using performance enhancing drugs?
thegreatspartan147 4 years ago
Of course there is no hard evidence.
If you want to develop large muscles you have to artificially increase your testosterone levels.
Anyone who claims otherwise is either a lying bastard or a god damn retard.
There is always some shithead who claims that it is possible to develop huge muscles without drugs.
The only thing I would say to such a person is: PROVE IT!
If you can't prove it then SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Proteus180 3 years ago
I am not talking about minor increases in muscle mass. This observable fact has been known since antiquity. I am talking about significant increases in muscle mass. This phenomenon only started to occur just before the 1890's; at the exact same time athletes began using testosterone extracted from animals. (Google the name James "pud" Galvin)
Proteus180 3 years ago
It is a biological fact that a certain amount of muscle mass always requires a certain amount of testosterone. This relationship explains the following facts:
1) An adult male is always significantly stronger than an adult female.
2) An adult male is always significantly stronger than a prepubescent male child.
3) A castrated male will always lose extensive amounts of muscle mass.
Proteus180 3 years ago
4) A steroid using athlete will always lose extensive amounts of muscle mass when he stops using steroids.
5) A real "natural" athlete is unable to significantly increase his muscle mass.
6) An athlete that is taking 15 mg of Dianabol per day will always develop more muscle mass than an athlete that is taking 5 mg of Dianabol per day.
Proteus180 3 years ago
Note that drug use is the only thing that can alter facts 1 -- 5. Fact number 6 is only true if both athletes are weight training.
Proteus180 3 years ago
The testosterone levels of a human can vary significantly from one second to the next and your testosterone levels at any given moment can be influenced by the environment, but at the end of the day the TOTAL daily output of testosterone is ALWAYS practically the same.
How much testosterone a human produces per day is a fixed genetic trait. Therefore humans cannot significantly increase their muscle mass.
Proteus180 3 years ago
This is a FACT not an OPINION.
Proteus180 3 years ago
There is absolutely no rigours scientific evidence that shows that a drug free male can significantly alter his TOTAL daily production of testosterone.
Zero, zilch, nil, nothing, null, cero, sweet fuck all
Proteus180 3 years ago
jeez mate i got 4 words for you... shut up and train!
LCMM7 3 years ago
lol guys i give you a new thing to discuss about and its called myostatin. Search it in google. what do you think about that? With myostatin blocker you could develop large muscles with your natural test level and with no training or something like that. Opinions?
junglaismassivmon 3 years ago
im hvnt even lukd it up..but i no if it wer tru every1 woold b on it... when i luk round streets not every1 has a bodybuilder physic
LCMM7 3 years ago
In one of my books "Ironman's ultimate guide to bodybuilding nutrition" he claims to have done prohormones before they were banned but that is it
yomama0007 4 years ago
Passing Mickey Mouse doping tests does not prove that you are "natural".
thegreatspartan147 4 years ago
Why are people saying Coleman wasn't natural here? He CLEARLY was lol, dude looks like bearly 200, this was fucking almost 2 decades ago you morons of course he was natural here. Wow a completely different man back then.
operations1000 4 years ago
They say 1 body part per week. I've also been told to group the muscles to make it 4 days. I know Arnold did just 2 days w/everything grouped. But My muscles feel completely healed after 3-4 days and dont see the need of waiting another 3 to hit them again. So what is best?
adamskyb 4 years ago
RESEARCH shows that weight training increases the natural levels of serum testosterone in your blood. Testosterone causes an increase in satellite cell production, causing muscle hypertrophy. Weightlifting=increase testosteone=bigger muscles. Case closed. Now please stop posting lies.
koolhand666 4 years ago
Many factors can increase your IMMEDIATE testosterone levels. But can you increase your total daily output of testosterone? If you produce a lot more testosterone in the morning than you typically do [for whatever reason] then will you simply produce less testosterone than you typically do in the afternoon and evening?
thegreatspartan147 4 years ago
When a male goes through puberty his testosterone levels will increase considerably. The male's muscle mass and strength levels will notably increase WITHOUT the need of resistance training.
Proteus180 4 years ago
Very true, but if that same pubescent male utilizes resistance training, his strength and size will greatly exceed that if he didn't strength train. He is utilizing what testosterone he has in his blood naturally. Just like an adult male with high levels of naturally produced test will have greater strength and size if he resistance trains. Therefore, humans CAN significantly increase muscle mass w/out 'roids. You are perpetuating dangerous untruths by your previous statements.
koolhand666 4 years ago
The human body is a highly efficient machine.
The testosterone your body is producing is always being fully used every day. There is nothing left over to use for bodybuilding!
thegreatspartan147 4 years ago
When a male naturally goes through puberty his body will fully utilise the extra testosterone in his body but when a fully developed adult male artificially puts his body through puberty again [i.e. goes on a steroid cycle] his body will NOT fully utilise the extra testosterone in his body. A steroid using adult male must FORCE his body to utilise the extra testosterone in his system. Arduous resistance training will force the human body to fully utilise this extra artificial testosterone.
Proteus180 4 years ago
Some of you guys are straight up idiots, if you Diet, Genetics and Training you'll be alright. Some people can train all they want in effort to Jump like Michael Jordan but most people will never get their why "Genetics" - either you have it or you don't does that mean Michael Jordan is using steroids - nope! There are good natural bodybuilders who are awesome and can go pro. Dumb asses...
MaxArtz 4 years ago
You are confused.
There is a large degree of variation among humans. If you took 1000 UNTRAINED men and put them through basic physical tests you would find some startling differences. Some of these untrained men will be significantly stronger, faster and fitter than the rest. These are natural advantages. Now, if you trained all 1000 of these men you will improve all of them. But you will still have the same champions. My argument has nothing to do with this.
Proteus180 4 years ago
My argument simply states an obvious fact. Humans cannot significantly increase their muscle mass because humans cannot significantly increase their daily production of testosterone. This should be bloody obvious.
Proteus180 4 years ago
Dude, I put on 45 pounds of muscle steroid-free. But it is true that there are MANY hypocrites that claim to be steroid free but truly aren't. Most of the top "natural" bodybuilders use right up until before the contest and then cycle off.
koolhand666 4 years ago
Most men do not have the balls [literally] to admit that they are using steroids.
Proteus180 4 years ago
Men that claim that they are steroid free but are in fact using steroids are a DIME A DOZEN.
Proteus180 4 years ago
There is no such thing as "bodybuilding" without synthetic hormones. This should be obvious. Extra muscle mass needs extra testosterone, and the only way an adult male can increase his testosterone levels is by using synthetic hormones. This is not complicated!
The only thing you can do is "condition" your existing muscle mass.
Proteus180 4 years ago
Of course there is. Training itself increases your testosterone levels. I used to be a body builder and I've never used any synthetic drugs.
But one problem is that many legal enhancements contains illegal substances. The manufacturers are cheating.
ingeborgsjon 4 years ago
Your testes and your adrenal glands are working to full capacity, or at least very close to full capacity. Testosterone levels can vary widely throughout the day but your daily average output of testosterone will be fairly constant.
Proteus180 4 years ago
That is ridiculous. Extra muscle mass is SUPPORTED by testosterone, but it is the adaptation of muscle fibers to overload that causes hypertrophy. That is why bodybuilders, natural or otherwise, must still lift weights with great intensity and regularity to achieve the mass and definition. That is why any dumb-ass can shoot themselves with roids, but will accomplish nothing but acne and hair loss without doing the work that is necessary.
koolhand666 4 years ago
do any of you fat fucks even lift weights
robnmob 4 years ago
There are two Ronnie Colemans. This video does not feature the Mr Olympia coleman
jlange70 4 years ago
"If your body cannot increase its testosterone production then you cannot increase your muscle mass, even if you were training correctly for the next 20 years!"
"Extra testosterone is needed to build and maintain extra muscle mass"
These are facts, not opinions.
Proteus180 4 years ago
Testosterone levels are genetic. There is nothing you can do to increase your natural testosterone levels. Therefore you cannot increase your muscle mass. The only thing you can do is "condition" your existing muscle mass.
Proteus180 4 years ago
You can significantly increase you strength without increasing your muscle mass.
Proteus180 4 years ago
thegreatspartan147 you are completely correct.
Proteus180 4 years ago
A natural athlete cannot significantly increases his muscle mass because he cannot significantly increases his daily testosterone production.
thegreatspartan147 4 years ago