i'm not sure what you are referring to in the Scripture. are you referring to the so-called masjid?
if so, for an answer please see Part 115 which explains how the meaning of Arabic words have been changed.
in fact until recently, while i knew this is how they altered the meaning of the Quran (by changing the meaning of words)...i didn't know to what extent they had done so.
have you ever considered the book "Mental Bondage in the name of God"?
Hmmm? I keep re-reading the verses and I just don't get the sense that this only applies to those who were direct witnesses in that time. Yes, there are issues with Ramadan. Breaking the fast when it is still more light than dark and playing with 29 and 30 days, etc. And maybe the month has been changed and should be the 'warmest' month =), not sure but stating that the days should be made up after the illness or journey implies a specific time of the year to me. Just my thoughts on it. Peace.
Is there any evidence that before the revelation of the Book to the last prophet, there was a calendar month of the year called 'ramadhan' during which people stopped "eating and drinking" for an entire month as per God's commandment?
that would be interesting to discover if they did. ancient Arabs circled a cube long before Muhammad's time...and the Quran never tells us to circle a cube. also, the pagan crescent moon and star that is on top of mosques is another ancient symbol that was around long before Muhammad's time...and again has nothing to do with the Quran.
Islam also has ties to Hinduism, as explained in Part 52
i'm not sure. while God states that the Quran is complete and fully detailed at Surah 6:114,115, there are details missing about some of these rites.
my conclusion is that the details are missing deliberately because it was not going to apply to our generation, just like the rites of Moses time don't.
This is what i came to understand reading Surah 22:67, which i will quote...
"For each congregation, We (GOD) have decreed a set of rites that they must uphold. Therefore, they should not dispute with you. You shall continue to invite everyone to your Lord. Most assuredly, you are on the right path."
I pondered who would pursue an attack on the unity of the Uhmaa during Ramadan. Any born Moslem would know the spiritual inside - the most important part - of fasting forbids spurious/divisive arguing, an anathema to fasting itself.
Could someone who knows the Quran in such detail, and the Bible even better - knowing that only one reference to hair covering exists - not know that the injunction on interpreting for others did not come from me.
first of all...this video was written more than a year ago.
secondly, Islam does not need me to cause them disunity. there has been strife and division among the Sects of Islam since right after Muhammad left. Sunnis and Shias have been fighting, even killing each other, for centuries...
...when Moses, Jesus and Muhammad appeared on the scene there was commotion...there is always commotion when Messengers arrive.
why? because people do not want to let go of the teachings of their fathers. they do not want their beliefs challenged...and that is what the Messengers always do.
Ramadan is one of those words they never bother translating, because if they did it would undermine the authority of the arab traditions, which constitute the pillars of their religion. If 2:185 were translated honestly it would read something like: It was the month of intense heat (ramadan, root: R-M-D) in which the (holy) recitation was sent down...this, imo, makes alot more sense and allows us to divorce this important ceremonial law from the traditions of (arab)men.
Correct - a Mu'min should not advertise that s/he is fasting during Ramadan while s/he is fasting. And there is no compulsion in religion. And you can feed the needy if you can't fast.
I did not say you said NO FASTING> I saw the video, and I expose truths and deliver messages -- just like you.
These two verses, as you are aware, lead to the verse about fasting through Ramadan.
So then, when are the Mu'minun prescribed to fast? What are these certain number of days? That is not stated in the Qur'an.
I am open to the Truth, and this is not a comment intended to challenge, but to chuck falsehood against truth for me to determine the value of your words.
i think the reason why there are not a lot of details in the Quran about fasting is because it a personal thing between an individual and God.
the Prophet Jesus said that when you fast you should not be showy about it...it is something you do while not letting on to others that makes it meaningful and sincere. you do not do it in order to be considered righteous and pious to others.
"O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed for you, even as it was prescribed for those before you, that ye may ward off (evil);
(Fast) a certain number of days; and (for) him who is sick among you, or on a journey, (the same) number of other days; and for those who can afford it there is a ransom: the feeding of a man in need - but whoso doeth good of his own accord, it is better for him: and that ye fast is better for you if ye did but know -
i never said no one should ever fast. i even addressed that in this video. what i am saying is that Ramadan was for those who witnesses the Quran being sent down.
Thanks for this video, Ramadhan was holly month for Arab long before Islam, I think this opening is interesting and Islam is reveled during Ramadhan and they follower do fasting a month to celebrate Quran, is it right?
well, the Quran reveals that it was during the Arabic month called Ramadan that the Quran was sent down, so they fast during that month.
however, what is strange is that even though God clearly says that it came down during that month...most Muslims believe the Quran came down over a long period of time...even though the very Scripture they follow and fast because of (Surah 2:185)...says it came down that month, meaning during the time frame of that particular month...
...what actually is true is that the Quran came down all at once to Muhammad during that month...and then he revealed it to the people over a long period of time.
...i don't know anything about Ramadan being their sacred month before being given the Quran. however, the Arabs did circle a black cube before the time of Muhammad. however that pagan practice does not come from the Quran...nor does many of the misguided things they do. it comes from their fabricated books called Hadiths...and the teachings and traditions of their fathers.
"We provided them with the Proofs and the Scriptures. And We sent down to you this Message, to proclaim for the people everything that is send down to them, perhaps they will reflect."
hey i'm sorry to go off topic but i cicked on a vid called whreistruth lies & cowardice cuz i thought it was ur vid but it said your 50 and you talk to spirts is that true. lol
Surah 2:186 -"And when my servants question thee concerning Me, then surely I am nigh(near). I answer the prayer of the suppliant(humble) when he crieth unto Me, so let them hear My call and let them trust in Me, in order that they may be led aright."
we will each be told in His Day our accounts of what we did right and wrong. i believe that the messages that God holds the most dear are crystal clear. these points that can cause a schism amongst us are reference points we must take within our own hearts and search for. but i DO love open discussion to show each point so that each of us may find the Truth for ourselves.
i am still learning, and i like how manic and WhereIsTruth and others can take this message at peace. many feel violated by this message and i dont see anywhere that WhereIsTruth has condemned fasting like some have claimed. on the contrary she is just bringing out the point that this cannot be compulsory and like manic says, God always makes His path easy for us and offers a way we can handle.
lets not jump to hostility before understanding what the message trying to be portrayed is.
Fasting can be dangerous especially in extremely hot weather-Fast if you are compelled however-fasting will not get you into heaven any faster than anything else if your heart is wicked and youre not sincere in worship to almighty Allah
Fasting is a very personal decision-Allow Allah to guide you-However i dont feel compelled to fast myself-although i am a true believer in the most high ALLAH
Peace to the Believers who are sincere in their beliefs in ALLAH-
i know, there are brothers who work out in the heat in contruction in tropical parts of the world. should they really go all day without water? fasting is surely a lot harder for a brother doing hard labor in the heat...then it would be for a man who works in an office in the far north.
however, that is just a side point.
there is no compusion in religion.
Ramadan is not mandatory...the wording shows who it applied to.
Allah is Most Merciful and Most Compassionate. I have problems fasting since young. But recently someone told me i should try. I told him I already tried since young but cld not finish a whole day. he implied that i am not sincere in trying! Ya Allah, only You know how hard i tried. So what did I do? Feed a poor person for everyday that i break my fast. (2:183) See? Allah gave me a way out. He dont force people to fast although He says it is good for you if you only knew.
also, i am not saying no one should fast, or try to fast. also, if there is a reason we should fast, and cannot...we should feed the poor.
all i am saying is: fasting for Ramadan is not compulsory...and the wording of Surah 2:185 is not addressing everyone...rather those who were present and witnessed the Quran being revealed. as to the present tense language in that Scripture, i address that in the first comment here.
How could the people who witnessed it fast when they were not muslims yet? And Mohammed (s.a.w) didn't start preaching right away. Wouldn't you be afraid if a Angel spoke to you?
No compulsary in religion means that we can't force religious practices on eachother however it does not mean that God doesn't make some things compulsary.
Allah was saying that those who witnessed the Quran being given to Muhammad, those he were around when it happened...who accepted it...should fast....
yes, God even says that fasting is prescribed, like it was for the people before us.
i am not saying we should never fast.
what i am saying is Ramadan is not compulsory.
this is why Allah didn't say "O you who believe, you shall fast for the month the Quran came down..." instead he said, "those of you who witness..." or "those of you who are present..."
however, if you believe you are suppose to, i am not telling you not to. i am saying it is not compulsory for everyone.
This is very controversial since most people observe Ramadan since they're young without asking questions. I'll consider your point of view but I have to do my own research to believe it.
BTW, I would like to read the Bible, but since it was modified by many people, I'm not sure which version I should read. Any suggestions? I would also be interested in reading other scriptures.
however, it was God's will for him to reveal it and read it slowly to the people over time. that is what God reveals at Surah 17:105,106
the same is true now. God revealed the entire Quran to us all at once. however, we have been reciting and explaining it to people slowly...over a long period of time.
Becca-
If I may play the Devil's advocate, if fasting was not required during Ramadan, how do you explain 2:187 about mid-way through?
thespeez 1 day ago
@thespeez
good to hear from you friend,
i'm not sure what you are referring to in the Scripture. are you referring to the so-called masjid?
if so, for an answer please see Part 115 which explains how the meaning of Arabic words have been changed.
in fact until recently, while i knew this is how they altered the meaning of the Quran (by changing the meaning of words)...i didn't know to what extent they had done so.
have you ever considered the book "Mental Bondage in the name of God"?
WhereIsTruth 20 hours ago
i am muslim and you are right but what do you belive in i got a proof i am a muslim see that arbuc handwriting:اللة العزيز الرحمان
smurfhacker1 3 months ago
@smurfhacker1
peace upon you,
i believe in God, and His angels, and His Messengers, and His Scriptures, and the Last Day.
Quran 4:136
WhereIsTruth 3 months ago
@QuranicCrusader
oh okay, well good to hear from you then. :)
peace
WhereIsTruth 8 months ago
@QuranicCrusader
peace upon you,
nice to meet you, mashallah
WhereIsTruth 9 months ago
Hmmm? I keep re-reading the verses and I just don't get the sense that this only applies to those who were direct witnesses in that time. Yes, there are issues with Ramadan. Breaking the fast when it is still more light than dark and playing with 29 and 30 days, etc. And maybe the month has been changed and should be the 'warmest' month =), not sure but stating that the days should be made up after the illness or journey implies a specific time of the year to me. Just my thoughts on it. Peace.
quantumsolutions 1 year ago
Is there any evidence that before the revelation of the Book to the last prophet, there was a calendar month of the year called 'ramadhan' during which people stopped "eating and drinking" for an entire month as per God's commandment?
szuberi 1 year ago
@szuberi
that would be interesting to discover if they did. ancient Arabs circled a cube long before Muhammad's time...and the Quran never tells us to circle a cube. also, the pagan crescent moon and star that is on top of mosques is another ancient symbol that was around long before Muhammad's time...and again has nothing to do with the Quran.
Islam also has ties to Hinduism, as explained in Part 52
WhereIsTruth 1 year ago
watched,:p good work! salamualykum and keep safe,
peace may allah guide us all
TheLinglonglinglong 1 year ago
@TheLinglonglinglong
wa'aleykum salaam.
thank you, alhumduleeLah. may Allah shower His Grace upon us.
WhereIsTruth 1 year ago
Then what's the restricted month being referred to in 5:2?
nowornever86 1 year ago
@nowornever86
peace to you,
i'm not sure. while God states that the Quran is complete and fully detailed at Surah 6:114,115, there are details missing about some of these rites.
my conclusion is that the details are missing deliberately because it was not going to apply to our generation, just like the rites of Moses time don't.
This is what i came to understand reading Surah 22:67, which i will quote...
WhereIsTruth 1 year ago
"For each congregation, We (GOD) have decreed a set of rites that they must uphold. Therefore, they should not dispute with you. You shall continue to invite everyone to your Lord. Most assuredly, you are on the right path."
Surah 22:67
WhereIsTruth 1 year ago
Don't you even know it is now the middle of Ramadan!
This is haram. Saalam.
QAAproducts 1 year ago
@QAAproducts
yes...my point was, this video was made in May of 2009.
Islam is full of things they claim are "haram" that are not.
such as music, dancing, women swimming in the ocean, women touching the Quran when they are menstruating...etc
Allah says that those who make false prohibitions, and then claim they are from Him...are wicked.
Surah 3:94 7:37
WhereIsTruth 1 year ago
I pondered who would pursue an attack on the unity of the Uhmaa during Ramadan. Any born Moslem would know the spiritual inside - the most important part - of fasting forbids spurious/divisive arguing, an anathema to fasting itself.
Could someone who knows the Quran in such detail, and the Bible even better - knowing that only one reference to hair covering exists - not know that the injunction on interpreting for others did not come from me.
I have done my duty.
S 6:91-94
ps: 35:5-8
QAAproducts 1 year ago
@QAAproducts
first of all...this video was written more than a year ago.
secondly, Islam does not need me to cause them disunity. there has been strife and division among the Sects of Islam since right after Muhammad left. Sunnis and Shias have been fighting, even killing each other, for centuries...
WhereIsTruth 1 year ago
...when Moses, Jesus and Muhammad appeared on the scene there was commotion...there is always commotion when Messengers arrive.
why? because people do not want to let go of the teachings of their fathers. they do not want their beliefs challenged...and that is what the Messengers always do.
Surah 26
WhereIsTruth 1 year ago
Peace Becca,
Ramadan is one of those words they never bother translating, because if they did it would undermine the authority of the arab traditions, which constitute the pillars of their religion. If 2:185 were translated honestly it would read something like: It was the month of intense heat (ramadan, root: R-M-D) in which the (holy) recitation was sent down...this, imo, makes alot more sense and allows us to divorce this important ceremonial law from the traditions of (arab)men.
TheHolyFaith 2 years ago
asalaamu alaika again
do u speak or understand qur'anic arabic if i may ask
jazakalla khair
ah05075 2 years ago
peace once more,
no, i do not.
but the Quran is a Message for the whole world, not just those who speak Arabic. this is why Most Gracious has had it translated into other languages.
however, youtuber manicwild speaks Arabic. he has many interesting videos.
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
thanks
and ofcourse its for the whole mankind
thanks again
ah05075 2 years ago
Correct - a Mu'min should not advertise that s/he is fasting during Ramadan while s/he is fasting. And there is no compulsion in religion. And you can feed the needy if you can't fast.
yowzee 2 years ago
I did not say you said NO FASTING> I saw the video, and I expose truths and deliver messages -- just like you.
These two verses, as you are aware, lead to the verse about fasting through Ramadan.
So then, when are the Mu'minun prescribed to fast? What are these certain number of days? That is not stated in the Qur'an.
I am open to the Truth, and this is not a comment intended to challenge, but to chuck falsehood against truth for me to determine the value of your words.
yowzee 2 years ago
peace again yowzee,
i think the reason why there are not a lot of details in the Quran about fasting is because it a personal thing between an individual and God.
the Prophet Jesus said that when you fast you should not be showy about it...it is something you do while not letting on to others that makes it meaningful and sincere. you do not do it in order to be considered righteous and pious to others.
Matthew 6:16-18
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
2/183-184
"O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed for you, even as it was prescribed for those before you, that ye may ward off (evil);
(Fast) a certain number of days; and (for) him who is sick among you, or on a journey, (the same) number of other days; and for those who can afford it there is a ransom: the feeding of a man in need - but whoso doeth good of his own accord, it is better for him: and that ye fast is better for you if ye did but know -
yowzee 2 years ago
yes yowzee,
i never said no one should ever fast. i even addressed that in this video. what i am saying is that Ramadan was for those who witnesses the Quran being sent down.
peace
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
Thanks for this video, Ramadhan was holly month for Arab long before Islam, I think this opening is interesting and Islam is reveled during Ramadhan and they follower do fasting a month to celebrate Quran, is it right?
bringmefreedom 2 years ago
hello bringmefreedom,
well, the Quran reveals that it was during the Arabic month called Ramadan that the Quran was sent down, so they fast during that month.
however, what is strange is that even though God clearly says that it came down during that month...most Muslims believe the Quran came down over a long period of time...even though the very Scripture they follow and fast because of (Surah 2:185)...says it came down that month, meaning during the time frame of that particular month...
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
...what actually is true is that the Quran came down all at once to Muhammad during that month...and then he revealed it to the people over a long period of time.
peace to you
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
Well thanks, but one more thing, if Ramadhan was a holly moment for Arab before Islam, so what was their god at that time, allah too?
bringmefreedom 2 years ago
well bringme,
the truth is...there is only One GOD.
in Arabic Allah means: The GOD. in Hebrew YHVH means: I AM.
so YHVH ALLAH means: I AM THE GOD.
however, all kinds of people throughout history have worshiped false gods...and when they do they are acutally worshiping Satan.
before the Quran was revealed to the Arabic people (around 600 years after the time of the Messiah), the Arabs worshiped many false gods and idols...
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
...i don't know anything about Ramadan being their sacred month before being given the Quran. however, the Arabs did circle a black cube before the time of Muhammad. however that pagan practice does not come from the Quran...nor does many of the misguided things they do. it comes from their fabricated books called Hadiths...and the teachings and traditions of their fathers.
peace again
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
Thanks and peace be with you
bringmefreedom 2 years ago
"We provided them with the Proofs and the Scriptures. And We sent down to you this Message, to proclaim for the people everything that is send down to them, perhaps they will reflect."
Surah 16:44
"We have revealed this Scripture to you, to point out for them what they dispute, and to provide guidance and mercy for people who believe."
Surah 16:64
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
hey i'm sorry to go off topic but i cicked on a vid called whreistruth lies & cowardice cuz i thought it was ur vid but it said your 50 and you talk to spirts is that true. lol
raygenera 2 years ago
not really ray,
i am 46...and no, i do not talk to spirits.
people have twisted my words. what i said was...an angel verified it to me. i have never spoken to an angel.
peace
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
Surah 2:186 -"And when my servants question thee concerning Me, then surely I am nigh(near). I answer the prayer of the suppliant(humble) when he crieth unto Me, so let them hear My call and let them trust in Me, in order that they may be led aright."
peace and much love!
kaje7 2 years ago
we will each be told in His Day our accounts of what we did right and wrong. i believe that the messages that God holds the most dear are crystal clear. these points that can cause a schism amongst us are reference points we must take within our own hearts and search for. but i DO love open discussion to show each point so that each of us may find the Truth for ourselves.
kaje7 2 years ago
i am still learning, and i like how manic and WhereIsTruth and others can take this message at peace. many feel violated by this message and i dont see anywhere that WhereIsTruth has condemned fasting like some have claimed. on the contrary she is just bringing out the point that this cannot be compulsory and like manic says, God always makes His path easy for us and offers a way we can handle.
lets not jump to hostility before understanding what the message trying to be portrayed is.
kaje7 2 years ago
your a sister :-o ...
i didnt know ..i thought you were a boy...
mjfmUnplugged 2 years ago
yes,
i am a sister mjfm.
peace to you
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
Peace to you sister- The Video is Beautiful and again provides Truth!
InfinityNebula 2 years ago
Fasting can be dangerous especially in extremely hot weather-Fast if you are compelled however-fasting will not get you into heaven any faster than anything else if your heart is wicked and youre not sincere in worship to almighty Allah
Fasting is a very personal decision-Allow Allah to guide you-However i dont feel compelled to fast myself-although i am a true believer in the most high ALLAH
Peace to the Believers who are sincere in their beliefs in ALLAH-
InfinityNebula 2 years ago
peace Infinity,
good to hear from you.
i know, there are brothers who work out in the heat in contruction in tropical parts of the world. should they really go all day without water? fasting is surely a lot harder for a brother doing hard labor in the heat...then it would be for a man who works in an office in the far north.
however, that is just a side point.
there is no compusion in religion.
Ramadan is not mandatory...the wording shows who it applied to.
peace upon you
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
salaam,
Allah is Most Merciful and Most Compassionate. I have problems fasting since young. But recently someone told me i should try. I told him I already tried since young but cld not finish a whole day. he implied that i am not sincere in trying! Ya Allah, only You know how hard i tried. So what did I do? Feed a poor person for everyday that i break my fast. (2:183) See? Allah gave me a way out. He dont force people to fast although He says it is good for you if you only knew.
Insha Allah
manicwild 2 years ago
peace brother manic,
yes, God is Most Merciful.
also, i am not saying no one should fast, or try to fast. also, if there is a reason we should fast, and cannot...we should feed the poor.
all i am saying is: fasting for Ramadan is not compulsory...and the wording of Surah 2:185 is not addressing everyone...rather those who were present and witnessed the Quran being revealed. as to the present tense language in that Scripture, i address that in the first comment here.
may Most Gracious guide us
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
I still like the vid I hope to get back into writing vids starting saturday :) if my mood is up to it i guess
flamezstr33t 2 years ago
hey flame,
that would be great to see a video from you.
i'm sorry you have been feeling down.
i feel down sometimes too. sometimes i feel overwhelmed. the depth of the lies and confusion is distressing.
however, Allah says that the Truth will prevail, and falsehood will vanish.
Surah 8:8
i'm not sure if it's all the falsehood and spiritual arguing that is affecting your mood, or it's other things too. but yeah, that's what affects me.
you are my friend, may God bless you with happiness. :)
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
How could the people who witnessed it fast when they were not muslims yet? And Mohammed (s.a.w) didn't start preaching right away. Wouldn't you be afraid if a Angel spoke to you?
raygenera 2 years ago
No compulsary in religion means that we can't force religious practices on eachother however it does not mean that God doesn't make some things compulsary.
raygenera 2 years ago
peace yaygenera,
Allah was saying that those who witnessed the Quran being given to Muhammad, those he were around when it happened...who accepted it...should fast....
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
You can't just use the no compulsion verse whenever you don't want to follow Gods command. Every prophet taught fasting
raygenera 2 years ago
peace again raygenera,
yes, God even says that fasting is prescribed, like it was for the people before us.
i am not saying we should never fast.
what i am saying is Ramadan is not compulsory.
this is why Allah didn't say "O you who believe, you shall fast for the month the Quran came down..." instead he said, "those of you who witness..." or "those of you who are present..."
however, if you believe you are suppose to, i am not telling you not to. i am saying it is not compulsory for everyone.
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
slam alaikoum
This is very controversial since most people observe Ramadan since they're young without asking questions. I'll consider your point of view but I have to do my own research to believe it.
BTW, I would like to read the Bible, but since it was modified by many people, I'm not sure which version I should read. Any suggestions? I would also be interested in reading other scriptures.
ninjaguy123 2 years ago
wa'aleykum salaam ninjaguy
it is controversial, i agree.
i also think that it is not wrong to fast during Ramadan, since Allah does not put any of our worship to waste.
i just do not believe it to be compulsory...
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
...i like the Living Bible...the older 70's version.
also, the New World Translation.
the standad King James version is fine as well.
the thing is, like you said, and more importantly, like Allah has said...they have altered the Scriptures.
however, most of the Previous Scriptures are true and important. this Allah has also said...explained in Part 46
may Most Gracious guide us in a Straight Path.
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
Hi I'm confused what you mean when you say the quran came down at once but was revealed slowly?
flamezstr33t 2 years ago
peace brother flame,
the Quran came down to Muhammad all at once.
however, it was God's will for him to reveal it and read it slowly to the people over time. that is what God reveals at Surah 17:105,106
the same is true now. God revealed the entire Quran to us all at once. however, we have been reciting and explaining it to people slowly...over a long period of time.
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
short and too the point,,,i bet youll get a lot of attacks on this one
peace
Dabo614 2 years ago
peace Dabo,
God willing we can all just get along.
let us all believe as we do, with wide open minds and hearts for truth.
Allah says that He will settle our disputes on Judgment Day.
may Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, take it easy on those who believe...seeing that we are only humans, insha'Lah
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago
peace to everyone,
some Muslims debate that Surah 2:185 is in present tense. yes, God addressed the people of the time in present tense.
however, note how Allah speaks in both present and past tense at Surah 67:8-10...even though they are events that will not occur until the future.
therefore, the tense used is not always relevant to what is being spoken of.
WhereIsTruth 2 years ago