Everything is good except the female dancers....i wonder who danced when Jesus went to garden of Gesthamene after Last super, not angels because their Lord was about to drink a chalice so bitter and they were praying...May be devils were dancing coz they were able deceive Judas and make him betray Jesus they thought our Lord was going to die and never rise...
this is not acceptable AT ALL,, this is not true Catholic rite..female lyrical dancers have never had ,do not have or will EVER have a place at the altar during mass for ANY reason,,plain and simple liturgical abuse
And I wonder why Ireland's national Television, Radio Telefis Erieann, would do something like this. I know that it's a part of Celtic culture, but please, not inside a Catholic Church, especially in Ireland.
Ok armchair worship consultants, cool it already! The Pange Lingua chant is exquisite, the incense abundantly heavenly and the hearts of these young people in the procession seem truly contrite and sincere. Moreover, it is about reverance for Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament rather than absolute liturgical correctness. Priorities are an order here.
Sorry but I find this not liturgical. Solemnity and the presence of the Lord is there but with all due reverence to the presider, liturgist, congregation and the church itself, this is a show.
Sorry but I find this not liturgical. Solemnity and the presence of the Lord is there but with all due reverence to the presider, liturgist, congregation and the church itself, this is a show.
Not Catholic at all--------looks like a coven, terrible, this is not the place for anything like this, what a joke to our 2,000 year old tradition of the Holy Mass---this is what Vatican II hath wrought!!!!!!!!!! No wonder millions have left the church
Since it was Holy Thursday, the night before the crucifixion and death of our Lord Jesus Christ, I do agree that the procession itself should have been more solemn.
Having said that, the music - both instrumental and vocal - was truly beautiful.
@ScottyUrb Can we use some logic here? Daniel 9:24-2, Matthew 12:38-40 both support a mid-week Passover as well as the required three days and nights of Messiah being in the grave. Explain how he could have been in the grave the required three days and nights if he was crucified on Friday? Furthermore there was two Sabbaths that week the Holy day (unleavened bread [Passover is the 15 of Nisan and Passover the 15]) as well as the weekly Sabbath and then the Seventh day of unleavened bread.
@ScottyUrb Can we use some logic here? Daniel 9:24-2, Matthew 12:38-40 both support a mid-week Passover as well as the required three days and nights of Messiah being in the grave. Explain how he could have been in the grave the required three days and nights if he was crucified on Friday? Furthermore there was two Sabbaths that week the Holy day (unleavened bread [Passover is the 15 of Nisan and Passover the 15]) as well as the weekly Sabbath and then the Seventh day of unleavened bread.
OH....., There is no question concerning the female servers but the Liturgy. I may not be a liturgist but.,,, Why carry the Blessed Sacrament Without a canopy??? And Why is it that The ``Tantum Ergo Sacramentum`` Sung before reaching the altar of repose??? Somewhat Absurd...,, Dispensa Me,,
One aspect of the liturgy was unusual, that is, young women holding horns of incense, yet the entire ceremony was extremely respectful. The church seemed full, unlike most US Catholic churches, now pretty devoid of parishoners.
Even though this is pure Idolotry that violin sure is beautiful and pnge lingua is one of my favourite Latin hymns even though the L-RD himself removed me from Paganism!
@4902STEVEN Not true! A friend of mine who used to serve Divine Liturgy with me (In my teen years I became a member of a Ukrainian Catholic Church [which is in full communion with Rome]) Said that one Sunday (I was on Summer Holiday with my Family) the Roman Bishop was Visiting the Church and he Passed out because of the Incense (We later found out that He rarely uses Incense because of his Asthma)! Again I point out your Ignorance!
@4902STEVEN You've yet to show me how I am a bigot! I do not respect child molesting Pastors nor do any non perverted Catholic pastors either! I once said to a Pastor of a Catholic church that too bad it wasn't for the faggot's hiding behind the collar and their Bishop's as they are giving you who are not perverted a bad name! He totally agreed!
@4902STEVEN As I have said You have proven yourself not to be Knowledgeable and thus do not do the Church any justice, You are being held accountable to me as you are claiming knowledge of the church teachings and yet do not even know what the church teaches. When I correct you on What The Church Teaches and how it Contradicts scripture you remain Silent from making an intelligent rebuttal and resort to insults!
What an embarassing form of liturgical abuse. They take something sacred and beautiful, and turn it into, quite frankly, a contemporary stupid cheesy looking ritual thing.
Controversial? Not really. The music was top notch and reverent. The aspect from the ceremony is one of solemnity and reverence. The girls are very well rehearsed choreographed (if that is the word) quite well. Everything they do gives prasise and adoration.
what an amzing interperatation and inclusion of people in the ancient rites of our church! hpw else willl they be carried on if no one is exposed to them? i belong to st joan of rc church in minneapolis mn and i belive in the church and love the euchcarist but i also the beleve the lord has a plan for church< The Church
Well this is NOT any part of any thing. It is made up, not from the litergicon or Roman Ritual novus ordo or any orod. It is another form of liturgical abuse and frankly very disturbing.
It is Holy Thursday 2010 and I just watched this Vidieo, then I read the comments...WOW !!! What about setting the anger aside, on both side of the issue and listen to Jesus Ccommandment: LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS THE FATHER LOVES YOU>>>And then WATCH AND PRAY!
@juancito654 Agreed, except no one has the right to change the liturgy. Just like Jesus threw over the tables while the money changers were selling goods. I mean who were they hurting? No one really. But, Jesus nonetheless was angered by it. This is abuse. What is next, send in the clowns?
I am frankly shocked by the negative comments here, the liturgy and the traditions for this day vary greatly aroung the world. Its a wonderful thing to see young people participating in the liturgy.
Ab illo benedicaris in cujus honore cremaberis , ( blessing the incense after being added to the thurible).I'm surprised at the number of people who aren't aware of the tremendous differences around the world that were part of church tradition even prior to the vernacular Mass. The origins of using incense, historically , would shock some. The common folk had to take their livestock to church with them , or lose them. Neither the faithful nor the animals had a pleasant odor . Picture it .
Although quite a purist when it comes to liturgy, I am not quite so horrified about this as others. One must remember that Irish Catholicism is deeply rooted in Celtic Christianity, which adapted many of it's ancitent rites diretcly rom the Celtic Paganism. It is an interesting method of using incense in this way, rather than a thuribol, but it by no means takes away from the significance of the ceremony.
Hmm, interesting. I always loved Pange Lingua, and the journey to the Altar of Repose, but this looks more like River Dance. It's not offensive, but seems oddly out of place.
The only legitimate complaint that anyone can make with regard to this video is one of aesthetics, with respect to the additional thurifers. There is no abuse demonstrated in this clip under present Canon Law or particular law. I'm not particularly impressed with the additional incense bearers; I have seen better done with fewer, better trained dancers, but that is purely a matter of personal taste. Any other claim, (lacking sanctity/ "abuse") is unfounded, unwarranted, and self-righteous.
Then again with the current events in the Irish Church and what has to be its greatest crisis ever, this is frankly a mere blip on the radar screen. The Church appears to be wishing its own death.
Indeed... this is vwry pagan. many priests disregard the sanctity of the Liturgy... they do too many creativity which is not in accordance with what the Holy Mother Church is saying. Taht's why I am now becoming a traditionalist, because I am already sick with liturgical abuses. AMDG
dbreidenbach-The problem here goes very deep indeed. I agree that the biggest is the complete disregard of sanctity is the problem, but it isn't the only problem. The others are the difficulty understanding what and who the church serves! Not us-HIM. Do this in memory of ME-not do this because I think you can do it better! If it weren't so heartbreaking, it would be funny! His will not ours. Oh don't get me started or I'll start cursing in Latin!
It is silly and disrespectful at the very least/ What are those girls supposed to be? Vestal Virgins or just silly girls being led astray by a church that no longer has a clue what it supposed to be about? Either way it's a mess.
This is in Mayo??? I am an American but my ancestors are from Mayo and my family is ARDENTLY Traditional. I am shocked to see this in Ireland, the land I was always told was faithful to the Church. I thought things were bad here in the US, but I guess liturgical abuse is rampant all over western Christianity. I beg our Blessed Mother's forgiveness.
It looks quite silly, I would rather a more formal procession. That is why I attend a Traditional parish, In dublin that option has been made possible by the Archbishop. I refere to St Kevins parish, where mass in the extraordionary from is celebrated every Sunday. At the very least I know that silly things, like in this video, will not happen there. Liturgical abuse is very bad in this country.
Esta cerimônia é de Paulo VI. O rito antigo da transladação do santíssimo é diferente. Não há moças oferecendo incenso, o oficiante é quem incensa, não só impõe incenso, aliás, usa-se turíbulo, que é mais elegante. Estes paramentos também são muito grosseiros. O hino é este mesmo, embora sem orquestra.
A RC cathedral should know that on Holy Thursday that after the Gloria the organ (and instruments) are to be silent. Obviously they like to "do their own thing" up in Mayo.
@jsrepasky So where did you go to Seminary? Music is most certainly allowed for the adoration and procession of the Blesssed Sacrament. Traditions for this day vary from country to country and this has been the case for centuries.
I consider myself an oldfashioned Catholic, I love all the traditioanl masses, novenas, etc, but this was a little out of the ordinary even for me, I'm all for interpretive dance and self expression but not during one of the most sacred rituals of our faith
@4902STEVEN I see you have blocked me! Well once you stop Masturbating to teen girls acting immorally and start studying I will be happy talk with you! You have yet to prove how I am a bigot! You are ignorant, that is what your Problem is!
@MenechemShaul Everyone: I did a little asking around, cos I do not remember viewing "Teen Girls Dancing" Turns out one of my teen daughters was looking for a posting by a girl at her school. It showed up as me because my name is always logged into Youtube. Now that I have gone to the bother to explain myself to someone to which I am not accountable. I don't know what business my kids activities is to anyone else out here. I await an apology..........tick tock......
@4902STEVEN You expect me to believe this with what the comments say?! Give me a break! When someone like you does not even know Church Doctrine and is passing himself off as knowledgeable I find this extremely hard to believe! I should be the one awaiting an apology, you do not quote sources I am able to disprove you while I quote my sources if needed and then you resort to insults as you cannot come up with an educated response! Give me a break You deserve nothing from me!
e' un orrrrrrrrrrrrore . una vergogna . la SANTISSIMA EUCARESTIA ridotta ad una messinscena
eccoli i risultati del SUPERDOGMA de CVII ......... UN RITO PAGANO
VERGOGNATEVI SIGNORI DEL CLERO ....... MANAGER PIU' CHE SACERDOTI ....... MA HANNO ANCORA IN VALORE LE CINQUE PIAGHE DEL SIGNORE ???? VE LO DOMANDO !!!!!!!!!!!
This looks like pure, unadulterated pagan style worship. However well intentioned it was, it's awful and has no place in catholic practise. It's really quite sickening actually.
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You and any other catholic shit that supports the catholic church are going to burn in hell no matter how much PSALMS you read!! WAKE UP the fact that the POPE the HEAD of the catholic church refused to adopt zero tolerance for child molesters shows their true colors and intentions dont u think??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
may the divine justice be upon us all, that includes you and may... who o earth is sinless let him cast a stone first. If you really in hell, your fingers should not be typing the words you tyoped in this comment. may you find peace in your heart.
Pange Lingua gloriosi é um dos mais belos canticos eucaristicos. Mas o ritual aí usado é uma abuso grave contra o Santíssimo Sacramento, Fruto podre pós conciliar e modernista liderado pelo herege Paulo VI.
I've long preferred the old Latin Mass, but this - in the context of the novus ordo- is actually quite dignified, reverent and beautiful. Psalm 150: "..praise Him with timbrel and DANCING." Hardly a "new" notion apparently.
The song is the hymn "Pange linguam," sung plane, in Gregorian mode. The choreography is a real horror, because to the act takes pity and attention devoted to the worship of the Blessed Sacrament
The errors of modernism are apparent in this liturgy, it is not the same as my parish celebrates it, with 2 thurifers and a slow solemn procession to the chapel and Altar of Repose, Know i know why the SSPX was formed
Actually i don't, cause they were an organic development into the Roman Rite, modern liturgy lacks dignity,solemnity,sacredness and order, two things St.Paul said are essential
i really don't see the big deal about this act. I actually think its pretty cool! but then again i'm not catholic, so i guess you all have your won reasons for supporting or opposing this "dance" i for one would like to hear both sides of it. so don't hate me, i'm just curious.
The procession with the dancers didn't look traditional, and for Holy Thursday, Holy Week, the most sacred time for the church calendar, just did't feel right. At my parish, the eucharistic ministers join in the procession with lit candles, while one of our priests holds the incense and our other one holding the Blessed Sacrament. No funny stuff included. However, the Pange Lingua is the besy on youtube! Loved it.
i love how you think you are being clever, but i don't see how you can call a religion that has produced 2000 years of systematic thought and shaped western culture meaningless bullshit...you better hope your right and we are wrong, because if we are right, thats what sets us apart from scientology and pagan religions...the truth
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meaningless bullshit. it might as well be another cult. what differentiates it anyway? who's to say its any differerent from scientology? or any pagan religion? chanting? drinking blood? (yeah yeah, transubstantiation? but really, what the fuck?) blah blah blah im right, you're wrong.
also, while i think its improper, in this age maybe we could speak at least a single word of thanksgiving that young people are participating in a service to honor the Blessed Sacrament, confused though some of their liturgical actions may be.
While i agree that the liturgical dancing is improper in the mass, I don't see how the fact that they are female has anything to do with it. Its comments like that that scare people away from traditional catholicism, which I happent to hold dear. Vatican II and the Church never made any provisions for this kind of liturgical dancing, but they have had female altar servers for a long time now and don't require women to cover their heads.
Holy Thursday should be a holy and sacred time as we are about to enter the most sacred part of our catholic calender this looked like a nice mass but the dancers didnt fit in
it's a shame that Christ in the Sacrament is abused like this. liturgical dancers? chalices of incense? I think this church needs to consult their GIRM for proper procedure with the incense and reverence towards the Sacraments. In the old Mass [Missal of 1962], females weren't even allowed in the Church unless they had veils on their heads... and they would have NEVER gone near the Altar.
it's a shame that Christ in the Sacrament is abused like this. liturgical dancers? chalices of incense? I think this church needs to consult their GIRM for proper procedure with the incense and reverence towards the Sacraments. In the old Mass [Missal of 1962], females weren't even allowed in the Church unless they had veils on their heads... and they would have NEVER gone near the Altar.
....I was sooooo moved by this vidio....I feel compassion for people who are upset today and feel a need to voice their disconfort on not being liturgically correct about music and other things of the liturgy on this vidio....The people of this vidio are worshiping GOD in a beautiful way...with elavorated expressions of their love for the Eucharistic Jesus.
I could hear Jesus' voice saying to all of us who have written in here today (myself incluted)
Now I understand why Jesus suffered so much. Even on the evening before 'we' are going to crucify Him, they still worship other gods and in the middle of them, He has to be present and watch His own priests organise this.
Instruments are forbiden of Holy Thursday after Gloria... This is horrible. In the moment when we should comemorate Christ's arrest in the Garden of Getsemani, we are watching some sort of roman pagan dance?
What was that? Would you mind repeating that in English? It's not that I'm against you speaking your native Tongue, but I just can't understand what you wrote - and since I'm assuming you want people to know what you're saying, English would probably help a lot of us understand.
There is no need for altar servers to be males. Have you not noticed that the males hardly want to serve? Girls are more willing! However what I just saw in this video is disturbing indeed.Knowing that Holy Thursday is such a solemn night the dance with those incense things is going overboard with the liturgical fanfare. It detracts from the solemnity of the rite.
Get the girls out of the sanctuary. Only men can be priests. Only boys can grow up to be fathers. Give the boys a taste of what they might become, and stop giving the girls false hopes. Not only is this a liturgical abuse, it looks absolutely stupid.
We need more male acolytes. That is why I prefer the term "Altar boys" instead of acolytes or altar servers. I've known it as "Altar Boys" for many years and we should go back to saying it that way.
My nephew is an altar boy and he has said that it is important to be a priest. I pray that one day he can hear God calling him and that he actually becomes a priest one day. I think he might have already heard God.
True, not all altar boys are called to be priests. But it is still a privilege to serve at a Mass. Both my brothers were altar boys and only one of them stayed in the Church. The other is now a pagan. Please pray for him? Thanks so much.
You are absolutly right. It is a privilege to serve at the mass, and I enjoy every minute of it. That is why I am serving the Holy Thursday Mass, Good Friday Service and the Easter Vigil starting tomorrow. Between those and Christmas and all the masses in between I really do enjoy serving. However I have decided to retire after next year, because I will be going into college and it may because to hecktic. Thanks
I am the same person (trev1619 just a different account name)
Weird - but they did separate the gyrating ladies from the liturgical procesion by placing the cross-bearer behind them. The singers should be unaccompnied at this point of the Holy Thursday ceremony. Overall, vaguely pagan.
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What the fuck is this????????????? Vestal Virgins of sumfing??????? Absolute shit, especially at a Catholic benediction??? The priest should be shot!!!!
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Catholics call it Jesus or the "holy" Eucharist and eat him!. But before they eat him, they have to bow down in front of this gold thing called a monstrance. But before they bow down in front of the monstrance (graven image) with their Jesus (idol) in it.You see, their Jesus can't walk. He has to be borne about by men made by men!. THIS is the Catholic Jesus and he is plainly not the Jesus of the Bible
one quick question. if everyone is downing female alter servers, why are nuns alright? as stated before, i'm not catholic, but would like to be so i'm just asking questions in search of answers. i myself am like 49/51 on female alter servers.
It's this way because during the holy sacrifice of the mass there si to be absoltely no way possible for an "evil" thought to be processed. Speaking in terms of "evil" I mean 'lust'. For example, if there's one male and one female 'altar server' on the altar, there is some chance that the boy could be taking his mind off the miracle that is about to be performed right before him and focus on something lustful or vice versa. It's not appropriate and it is very disrespectful.
No women should be up on the altar. This was the liberals who planted this nonsense. The Church has always gained vocations to the priesthood through Male altar servers. This many times is what sparked and led them to become priests. Until this abuse is eliminated, I'd would wholeheartedly suggest people attend the traditional Latin Mass. This is where one receives the Plentitude of graces!
One thurible (two if possible) while in procession walking in front of the Blessed Sacrament, alternating 3 censes toward the Blessed Saracrament while walking to the altar of repose. Also, what is that crazy dance they're doing around the sacrifical altar before the procession?
progresista modernista detected!!
emanuel95tradi 2 months ago
Everything is good except the female dancers....i wonder who danced when Jesus went to garden of Gesthamene after Last super, not angels because their Lord was about to drink a chalice so bitter and they were praying...May be devils were dancing coz they were able deceive Judas and make him betray Jesus they thought our Lord was going to die and never rise...
lionel3fernandez 5 months ago
PAGAN PAGAN PAGAN
lionel3fernandez 7 months ago
this is not acceptable AT ALL,, this is not true Catholic rite..female lyrical dancers have never had ,do not have or will EVER have a place at the altar during mass for ANY reason,,plain and simple liturgical abuse
mondoshrimpo 7 months ago
And I wonder why Ireland's national Television, Radio Telefis Erieann, would do something like this. I know that it's a part of Celtic culture, but please, not inside a Catholic Church, especially in Ireland.
pookerville 7 months ago
This all failed in the 70ies why are we doing this again?
ATXLATIN 9 months ago
Ok armchair worship consultants, cool it already! The Pange Lingua chant is exquisite, the incense abundantly heavenly and the hearts of these young people in the procession seem truly contrite and sincere. Moreover, it is about reverance for Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament rather than absolute liturgical correctness. Priorities are an order here.
hike72653 9 months ago
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No one is worshipping Jesus...Everyone would have been watching at this performance instead of praying..i bet...
lionel3fernandez 7 months ago
@hike72653 It also has to be in accordance with the G.I.R.M.
assasincomedy 6 months ago
This looks more like a scene from "The Wicker Man" than something you'd find in a Catholic church.
mrwarhol 9 months ago
mmmmmmmmmmmm..... nothing like a blaphemous liturgical abuse on the Holiest week of the year...
dcrippen2000 9 months ago
This looks like something from a wood nymph midnight ceremony. Sorry, I don't get this.
DawnESlike 9 months ago
Disgutingly LIBERAL!!!!!
1Hope4All 9 months ago
@1Hope4All Couldn't agree more!
AnCorcaigh 9 months ago
Appalling!!!!!
23dwoc 9 months ago
It looks likes something out of a 60's 70's horror film
maple1212 9 months ago
@maple1212, yes it does look like something out of a horror film! This is horrible!!
1Hope4All 9 months ago
i don't think this is roman catholic, remember there are different catholic rites
279cute 10 months ago
@279cute This is just bad liturgy
maple1212 9 months ago
Very unliturgical. This celebration is not a show, therefore, those women carrying torches with incense should be removed. Please study liturgy.
altarserver79 10 months ago
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Sorry but I find this not liturgical. Solemnity and the presence of the Lord is there but with all due reverence to the presider, liturgist, congregation and the church itself, this is a show.
saxorsned 10 months ago
Sorry but I find this not liturgical. Solemnity and the presence of the Lord is there but with all due reverence to the presider, liturgist, congregation and the church itself, this is a show.
saxorsned 10 months ago
This looks like a pagan offering.... I just pray for the fall of Novus Ordo
Classical0note 11 months ago
Not Catholic at all--------looks like a coven, terrible, this is not the place for anything like this, what a joke to our 2,000 year old tradition of the Holy Mass---this is what Vatican II hath wrought!!!!!!!!!! No wonder millions have left the church
rcarmes1941 1 year ago 2
I think they are from the Order of Vestal virgins! That's what happens with Novus Ordo fabrication after fabrication.
Bad liturgy and even worse Theology!
mansfield1721 1 year ago 2
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Girls should not be around the altar like that.
JULIESloveslotr 1 year ago
We adore You Oh Christ and praise You, because by Your Holy Cross You have redeemed this world.
cyberwi09 1 year ago
No this is madness not Catholic.
robertiacomacci 1 year ago
Since it was Holy Thursday, the night before the crucifixion and death of our Lord Jesus Christ, I do agree that the procession itself should have been more solemn.
Having said that, the music - both instrumental and vocal - was truly beautiful.
ScottyUrb 1 year ago
@ScottyUrb Can we use some logic here? Daniel 9:24-2, Matthew 12:38-40 both support a mid-week Passover as well as the required three days and nights of Messiah being in the grave. Explain how he could have been in the grave the required three days and nights if he was crucified on Friday? Furthermore there was two Sabbaths that week the Holy day (unleavened bread [Passover is the 15 of Nisan and Passover the 15]) as well as the weekly Sabbath and then the Seventh day of unleavened bread.
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
@ScottyUrb Can we use some logic here? Daniel 9:24-2, Matthew 12:38-40 both support a mid-week Passover as well as the required three days and nights of Messiah being in the grave. Explain how he could have been in the grave the required three days and nights if he was crucified on Friday? Furthermore there was two Sabbaths that week the Holy day (unleavened bread [Passover is the 15 of Nisan and Passover the 15]) as well as the weekly Sabbath and then the Seventh day of unleavened bread.
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
OH....., There is no question concerning the female servers but the Liturgy. I may not be a liturgist but.,,, Why carry the Blessed Sacrament Without a canopy??? And Why is it that The ``Tantum Ergo Sacramentum`` Sung before reaching the altar of repose??? Somewhat Absurd...,, Dispensa Me,,
FrancisTradi 1 year ago
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gizzeproductions 1 year ago
This is more Wiccan than Catholic. And the Bishop allows this?
maguirepatrick21 1 year ago
One aspect of the liturgy was unusual, that is, young women holding horns of incense, yet the entire ceremony was extremely respectful. The church seemed full, unlike most US Catholic churches, now pretty devoid of parishoners.
domorel 1 year ago 2
This is disguisting!
94David 1 year ago
Even though this is pure Idolotry that violin sure is beautiful and pnge lingua is one of my favourite Latin hymns even though the L-RD himself removed me from Paganism!
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
There is a lot of smoke here! way too much what about Health and Safety???
jazz8188 1 year ago
@jazz8188 Oh please.....no one ever got sick from church incense.....
4902STEVEN 1 year ago
@4902STEVEN Not true! A friend of mine who used to serve Divine Liturgy with me (In my teen years I became a member of a Ukrainian Catholic Church [which is in full communion with Rome]) Said that one Sunday (I was on Summer Holiday with my Family) the Roman Bishop was Visiting the Church and he Passed out because of the Incense (We later found out that He rarely uses Incense because of his Asthma)! Again I point out your Ignorance!
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
@4902STEVEN You've yet to show me how I am a bigot! I do not respect child molesting Pastors nor do any non perverted Catholic pastors either! I once said to a Pastor of a Catholic church that too bad it wasn't for the faggot's hiding behind the collar and their Bishop's as they are giving you who are not perverted a bad name! He totally agreed!
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
@4902STEVEN As I have said You have proven yourself not to be Knowledgeable and thus do not do the Church any justice, You are being held accountable to me as you are claiming knowledge of the church teachings and yet do not even know what the church teaches. When I correct you on What The Church Teaches and how it Contradicts scripture you remain Silent from making an intelligent rebuttal and resort to insults!
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
What an embarassing form of liturgical abuse. They take something sacred and beautiful, and turn it into, quite frankly, a contemporary stupid cheesy looking ritual thing.
jdfword 1 year ago
Controversial? Not really. The music was top notch and reverent. The aspect from the ceremony is one of solemnity and reverence. The girls are very well rehearsed choreographed (if that is the word) quite well. Everything they do gives prasise and adoration.
4902STEVEN 1 year ago 3
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assasincomedy 3 months ago
what an amzing interperatation and inclusion of people in the ancient rites of our church! hpw else willl they be carried on if no one is exposed to them? i belong to st joan of rc church in minneapolis mn and i belive in the church and love the euchcarist but i also the beleve the lord has a plan for church< The Church
dw4617 1 year ago
Well this is NOT any part of any thing. It is made up, not from the litergicon or Roman Ritual novus ordo or any orod. It is another form of liturgical abuse and frankly very disturbing.
robertiacomacci 1 year ago
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AnotherAppleMacbook 1 year ago
It is Holy Thursday 2010 and I just watched this Vidieo, then I read the comments...WOW !!! What about setting the anger aside, on both side of the issue and listen to Jesus Ccommandment: LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS THE FATHER LOVES YOU>>>And then WATCH AND PRAY!
juancito654 1 year ago 2
@juancito654 Agreed, except no one has the right to change the liturgy. Just like Jesus threw over the tables while the money changers were selling goods. I mean who were they hurting? No one really. But, Jesus nonetheless was angered by it. This is abuse. What is next, send in the clowns?
robertiacomacci 1 year ago
I am frankly shocked by the negative comments here, the liturgy and the traditions for this day vary greatly aroung the world. Its a wonderful thing to see young people participating in the liturgy.
ChristianLehrer 1 year ago
looks like a damn pagan ritual
maple1212 1 year ago 2
Weird. Is this Catholic?
dialyt55 1 year ago 11
@dialyt55 Yeah
jesusboy1997 1 year ago
@jesusboy1997 I was being sarcastic. Lol. But it has a pagan feel to it. I am glad we don't have such things in my own parish.
dialyt55 1 year ago
@dialyt55, NO IT'S NOT AND I'M DISGUSTED!! They might say it is but it's not!
1Hope4All 9 months ago
Ab illo benedicaris in cujus honore cremaberis , ( blessing the incense after being added to the thurible).I'm surprised at the number of people who aren't aware of the tremendous differences around the world that were part of church tradition even prior to the vernacular Mass. The origins of using incense, historically , would shock some. The common folk had to take their livestock to church with them , or lose them. Neither the faithful nor the animals had a pleasant odor . Picture it .
Bartskibeat 1 year ago
And people wonder why there's a vocational crisis in Ireland? Is this why the Irish fought tooth-and-nail for centuries to keep their Catholic faith?
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
Oh my, from reading the comments, only one
thing can be said: How we do hate each other.
Ask yourself this question: "What would Jesus
say? What would Jesus do?"
commander901 1 year ago
@commander901 I could not agree more. Jesus would be happy that the young people had been included. Thank you.
ChristianLehrer 1 year ago
Although quite a purist when it comes to liturgy, I am not quite so horrified about this as others. One must remember that Irish Catholicism is deeply rooted in Celtic Christianity, which adapted many of it's ancitent rites diretcly rom the Celtic Paganism. It is an interesting method of using incense in this way, rather than a thuribol, but it by no means takes away from the significance of the ceremony.
TheAardvark83 2 years ago 3
oblate 21 you are insane this is totaly pagan and lacks santity it looks like a greek roman pagan ritual or ceremony its just matter of sence
alfabeta3003 2 years ago
Hmm, interesting. I always loved Pange Lingua, and the journey to the Altar of Repose, but this looks more like River Dance. It's not offensive, but seems oddly out of place.
dsindc 1 year ago
The only legitimate complaint that anyone can make with regard to this video is one of aesthetics, with respect to the additional thurifers. There is no abuse demonstrated in this clip under present Canon Law or particular law. I'm not particularly impressed with the additional incense bearers; I have seen better done with fewer, better trained dancers, but that is purely a matter of personal taste. Any other claim, (lacking sanctity/ "abuse") is unfounded, unwarranted, and self-righteous.
oblate21 2 years ago
Then again with the current events in the Irish Church and what has to be its greatest crisis ever, this is frankly a mere blip on the radar screen. The Church appears to be wishing its own death.
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@oblate21 I could not agree more. I am frankly pleasantly suprised that the young people are included in the liturgy. Thank you.
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ChristianLehrer 1 year ago
i think these girls look like shhhhhhhluts .. especially the front 2 as they walk down !!
Macka755 2 years ago
I am an American Catholic who is neither traditionalist nor modernist, but I have to say that benediction looks pagan! very pitiful
redunn 2 years ago
Indeed... this is vwry pagan. many priests disregard the sanctity of the Liturgy... they do too many creativity which is not in accordance with what the Holy Mother Church is saying. Taht's why I am now becoming a traditionalist, because I am already sick with liturgical abuses. AMDG
fatimajoe 2 years ago
dbreidenbach-The problem here goes very deep indeed. I agree that the biggest is the complete disregard of sanctity is the problem, but it isn't the only problem. The others are the difficulty understanding what and who the church serves! Not us-HIM. Do this in memory of ME-not do this because I think you can do it better! If it weren't so heartbreaking, it would be funny! His will not ours. Oh don't get me started or I'll start cursing in Latin!
mrsoc 2 years ago
It is silly and disrespectful at the very least/ What are those girls supposed to be? Vestal Virgins or just silly girls being led astray by a church that no longer has a clue what it supposed to be about? Either way it's a mess.
mrsoc 2 years ago
A mess at the least. I'm not sure what this is supposed to be, but it's pretty unorthodox. Gross!!!!!
dbreidenbach 2 years ago
Maybe I am too young, but I don't understand what is wrong in the video?
CommieThreat 2 years ago
This is in Mayo??? I am an American but my ancestors are from Mayo and my family is ARDENTLY Traditional. I am shocked to see this in Ireland, the land I was always told was faithful to the Church. I thought things were bad here in the US, but I guess liturgical abuse is rampant all over western Christianity. I beg our Blessed Mother's forgiveness.
RMartin32975 2 years ago 3
In the modern way of the Vatican II, it is the same thing but there is a canopy covering the blessed sacrament!!! Amen!!!
motzPHaragas 2 years ago
It looks quite silly, I would rather a more formal procession. That is why I attend a Traditional parish, In dublin that option has been made possible by the Archbishop. I refere to St Kevins parish, where mass in the extraordionary from is celebrated every Sunday. At the very least I know that silly things, like in this video, will not happen there. Liturgical abuse is very bad in this country.
luxjdam 2 years ago
Looks like a druid worship service...
choirboy526 2 years ago
una orrenda paroidia della liturgia cattolica
84ulisse 2 years ago
condivido pienamente
erparrucca 2 years ago
Uma vergonha o rumo que a Igreja está tomando devido a "achismos" dos sacerdotes despreparados...
fjbrandao 2 years ago
Esta cerimônia é de Paulo VI. O rito antigo da transladação do santíssimo é diferente. Não há moças oferecendo incenso, o oficiante é quem incensa, não só impõe incenso, aliás, usa-se turíbulo, que é mais elegante. Estes paramentos também são muito grosseiros. O hino é este mesmo, embora sem orquestra.
papapio5 2 years ago
I prefer a more traditional one!
I think this is so OA.
kiapoksmonster 2 years ago 3
vergogna !!!!!!!!!!!!!
NON HO MAI VISTO NULLA DI SIMILE ! QUELLO NON DOVEVA NEANCHE FARE IL PRETE !
an86pv 2 years ago
A RC cathedral should know that on Holy Thursday that after the Gloria the organ (and instruments) are to be silent. Obviously they like to "do their own thing" up in Mayo.
jsrepasky 2 years ago 3
@jsrepasky So where did you go to Seminary? Music is most certainly allowed for the adoration and procession of the Blesssed Sacrament. Traditions for this day vary from country to country and this has been the case for centuries.
ChristianLehrer 1 year ago
it's ok, concentrate on the important stuff people, not whether girls are allowed to carry incense.
PuddyKatz 2 years ago
Obedience is very important
coolrich59 2 years ago 2
another abuse
starbabe58 2 years ago
like ancient greek pagan
tangwaiwa 2 years ago
Another great liturgical abuse. Great..
>:-[
Patriarch00 2 years ago 2
I consider myself an oldfashioned Catholic, I love all the traditioanl masses, novenas, etc, but this was a little out of the ordinary even for me, I'm all for interpretive dance and self expression but not during one of the most sacred rituals of our faith
hjlipinski 2 years ago 15
@hjlipinski I´m tottally with you!
TestigodeDios 1 year ago
@hjlipinski I don't know. I have seen a lot of liturgical daning. This is more like
coordinated processing rather than a dance. They are very well rehearsed. And their facial expressions reflect the solemnity of the occasion.
4902STEVEN 1 year ago
@4902STEVEN I see you have blocked me! Well once you stop Masturbating to teen girls acting immorally and start studying I will be happy talk with you! You have yet to prove how I am a bigot! You are ignorant, that is what your Problem is!
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
@MenechemShaul Everyone: I did a little asking around, cos I do not remember viewing "Teen Girls Dancing" Turns out one of my teen daughters was looking for a posting by a girl at her school. It showed up as me because my name is always logged into Youtube. Now that I have gone to the bother to explain myself to someone to which I am not accountable. I don't know what business my kids activities is to anyone else out here. I await an apology..........tick tock......
4902STEVEN 1 year ago
@4902STEVEN You expect me to believe this with what the comments say?! Give me a break! When someone like you does not even know Church Doctrine and is passing himself off as knowledgeable I find this extremely hard to believe! I should be the one awaiting an apology, you do not quote sources I am able to disprove you while I quote my sources if needed and then you resort to insults as you cannot come up with an educated response! Give me a break You deserve nothing from me!
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
@4902STEVEN My point was quite clear, You do not have godly kids OBVIOUSLY and you are not godly!
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
@hjlipinski Totally agree.
mrstjs 1 year ago
Wow...boo on using incense girls!!
Focus on Our Lord and the solemn occasion! totally distracting.
Beautiful hymn though.
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ChristianLehrer 1 year ago
e' un orrrrrrrrrrrrore . una vergogna . la SANTISSIMA EUCARESTIA ridotta ad una messinscena
eccoli i risultati del SUPERDOGMA de CVII ......... UN RITO PAGANO
VERGOGNATEVI SIGNORI DEL CLERO ....... MANAGER PIU' CHE SACERDOTI ....... MA HANNO ANCORA IN VALORE LE CINQUE PIAGHE DEL SIGNORE ???? VE LO DOMANDO !!!!!!!!!!!
kuangsu 2 years ago
This looks like pure, unadulterated pagan style worship. However well intentioned it was, it's awful and has no place in catholic practise. It's really quite sickening actually.
Andante735 2 years ago
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You and any other catholic shit that supports the catholic church are going to burn in hell no matter how much PSALMS you read!! WAKE UP the fact that the POPE the HEAD of the catholic church refused to adopt zero tolerance for child molesters shows their true colors and intentions dont u think??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
NaaBegNoFriend 3 years ago
may the divine justice be upon us all, that includes you and may... who o earth is sinless let him cast a stone first. If you really in hell, your fingers should not be typing the words you tyoped in this comment. may you find peace in your heart.
fatimajoe 2 years ago
and may you keep supporting a faith that does not respect or protect the children. Wolves in sheeps clothing.
NaaBegNoFriend 2 years ago
Pange Lingua gloriosi é um dos mais belos canticos eucaristicos. Mas o ritual aí usado é uma abuso grave contra o Santíssimo Sacramento, Fruto podre pós conciliar e modernista liderado pelo herege Paulo VI.
papapio5 3 years ago
"modern liturgy lacks dignity ,solemnity sacredness and order..."
I've long preferred the old Latin Mass, but this - in the context of the novus ordo- is actually quite dignified, reverent and beautiful. Psalm 150: "..praise Him with timbrel and DANCING." Hardly a "new" notion apparently.
lichtbroeder 3 years ago
The song is the hymn "Pange linguam," sung plane, in Gregorian mode. The choreography is a real horror, because to the act takes pity and attention devoted to the worship of the Blessed Sacrament
vilazul 3 years ago
que horror!!! a qviene esta coreografia???
delomehor 3 years ago
hello, does anyone know the name of this song?
winniefengling 3 years ago
Truly this looks more like ancient pagan worship with those females rounding the altar, not very Catholic at all
TrainmasterCurt 3 years ago
The errors of modernism are apparent in this liturgy, it is not the same as my parish celebrates it, with 2 thurifers and a slow solemn procession to the chapel and Altar of Repose, Know i know why the SSPX was formed
TrainmasterCurt 3 years ago
Do you reject the early Christian liturgies in the catacombs as well???
Agila1 3 years ago
Actually i don't, cause they were an organic development into the Roman Rite, modern liturgy lacks dignity,solemnity,sacredness and order, two things St.Paul said are essential
TrainmasterCurt 3 years ago
If you studied the Missal, you would not say that.
Weird that some people put themselves above the Church authority and still claim to be "Catholic", more like Luther-copycats
Agila1 3 years ago
Oh this is just fantastic. More liturgical madness in the Conciliar Church.
GoodfellaJohnny 3 years ago
the lord said unto his aposasils "wait with me watch and pray" that is what holy thursday is all about waiting watching and praying
kerwin12346 3 years ago
did a little research on the subject this is an ancient irish tradition
kerwin12346 3 years ago
i really don't see the big deal about this act. I actually think its pretty cool! but then again i'm not catholic, so i guess you all have your won reasons for supporting or opposing this "dance" i for one would like to hear both sides of it. so don't hate me, i'm just curious.
firefann 3 years ago
Circus!!!
vonbiron 3 years ago
The procession with the dancers didn't look traditional, and for Holy Thursday, Holy Week, the most sacred time for the church calendar, just did't feel right. At my parish, the eucharistic ministers join in the procession with lit candles, while one of our priests holds the incense and our other one holding the Blessed Sacrament. No funny stuff included. However, the Pange Lingua is the besy on youtube! Loved it.
fromdaeastbay 3 years ago 3
hermoso
aleluya
Laudattedominum 3 years ago 2
i love how you think you are being clever, but i don't see how you can call a religion that has produced 2000 years of systematic thought and shaped western culture meaningless bullshit...you better hope your right and we are wrong, because if we are right, thats what sets us apart from scientology and pagan religions...the truth
lucci1919 3 years ago
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crimsoncitizen 3 years ago
also, while i think its improper, in this age maybe we could speak at least a single word of thanksgiving that young people are participating in a service to honor the Blessed Sacrament, confused though some of their liturgical actions may be.
lucci1919 3 years ago 2
While i agree that the liturgical dancing is improper in the mass, I don't see how the fact that they are female has anything to do with it. Its comments like that that scare people away from traditional catholicism, which I happent to hold dear. Vatican II and the Church never made any provisions for this kind of liturgical dancing, but they have had female altar servers for a long time now and don't require women to cover their heads.
lucci1919 3 years ago
circus maximus!
vonbiron 3 years ago
Holy Thursday should be a holy and sacred time as we are about to enter the most sacred part of our catholic calender this looked like a nice mass but the dancers didnt fit in
Hgreg015 3 years ago
it's a shame that Christ in the Sacrament is abused like this. liturgical dancers? chalices of incense? I think this church needs to consult their GIRM for proper procedure with the incense and reverence towards the Sacraments. In the old Mass [Missal of 1962], females weren't even allowed in the Church unless they had veils on their heads... and they would have NEVER gone near the Altar.
The music is well done, though.
mkubancsek 3 years ago
it's a shame that Christ in the Sacrament is abused like this. liturgical dancers? chalices of incense? I think this church needs to consult their GIRM for proper procedure with the incense and reverence towards the Sacraments. In the old Mass [Missal of 1962], females weren't even allowed in the Church unless they had veils on their heads... and they would have NEVER gone near the Altar.
The music is well done, though.
mkubancsek 3 years ago 2
Tell me what page of the Sacramentary this appears on.... what is wrong with these people!? another fine example of liturgical abuse.
seadonkey23 3 years ago
Where is this in the ritual? Beautiful but not correct.
scout66250 3 years ago
If Jesus knew crazy people like this would be dancing around his Altar... enough said...
omarqaqish 3 years ago 2
liturgical dancers....
Shenandoah24 3 years ago
We worship and adore you, Jesus, TRULY present in the Blessed Sacrament on the altar.
BurtWilson1 3 years ago
More rotten fruit from Vatican II. This looks more like a pagan ritual with vestal virgins.
njdevil950003 3 years ago
....I was sooooo moved by this vidio....I feel compassion for people who are upset today and feel a need to voice their disconfort on not being liturgically correct about music and other things of the liturgy on this vidio....The people of this vidio are worshiping GOD in a beautiful way...with elavorated expressions of their love for the Eucharistic Jesus.
I could hear Jesus' voice saying to all of us who have written in here today (myself incluted)
"be silent...KEEP WATCH and PRAY..."
juancito654 3 years ago
Now I understand why Jesus suffered so much. Even on the evening before 'we' are going to crucify Him, they still worship other gods and in the middle of them, He has to be present and watch His own priests organise this.
phoenixofflames 3 years ago
Instruments are forbiden of Holy Thursday after Gloria... This is horrible. In the moment when we should comemorate Christ's arrest in the Garden of Getsemani, we are watching some sort of roman pagan dance?
catheh06 3 years ago 2
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OMG, this has all the crap you people cry about...incense, genuflections, latin...you just can't stand women...get a life.
dbgf64 3 years ago
latin, genuflections, incense= crap, even though they are part of the novus ordo Mass too?
I knew this stupid person who was a douchebag sasquach who used to say such things....
manfredfinch 3 years ago
HOW TRUE!
jayboi83 3 years ago
this is a shame and looks more like a pagan ritual than a holy mass
andrija1978 3 years ago
Svatý Patrik toto vidět, vezmu berlu a tu peleš lotrovskou vypráská z chrámu.
Co to je ohavnou odpornost?
Bída Novus Ordo v celé své nahotě.
Cruciferus 3 years ago
What was that? Would you mind repeating that in English? It's not that I'm against you speaking your native Tongue, but I just can't understand what you wrote - and since I'm assuming you want people to know what you're saying, English would probably help a lot of us understand.
jayboi83 3 years ago
This seems very wrong :( Who is the liturgist? I'm all for female altar servers-- but those are liturgical dancers.
manfredfinch 3 years ago
Vestal Virgins, violins playing Pange Lingua, nice vestments. Yep that about sums it up. Shit and they wonder why no one shows up anymore.
SmokinAltarBoy 3 years ago
There is no need for altar servers to be males. Have you not noticed that the males hardly want to serve? Girls are more willing! However what I just saw in this video is disturbing indeed.Knowing that Holy Thursday is such a solemn night the dance with those incense things is going overboard with the liturgical fanfare. It detracts from the solemnity of the rite.
sadgiv45 3 years ago
I think JESUS himself would have been disgusted with male bigotry. Our Lord's closest & loyal followers were women.
josey165 3 years ago
Could have been done well, but was nt!
kpman 3 years ago
Get the girls out of the sanctuary. Only men can be priests. Only boys can grow up to be fathers. Give the boys a taste of what they might become, and stop giving the girls false hopes. Not only is this a liturgical abuse, it looks absolutely stupid.
charlesviolin 3 years ago
Their gender is irrelevant. The dopey dancing is hilarious. How did people keep a straight face?
dwoc23 4 years ago
Liturgical abuse.
Pelicanus88 4 years ago
Liturgical abuse.
laantube 4 years ago
Liturgical abuse.
abatemitrato 4 years ago
We need more male acolytes. That is why I prefer the term "Altar boys" instead of acolytes or altar servers. I've known it as "Altar Boys" for many years and we should go back to saying it that way.
My nephew is an altar boy and he has said that it is important to be a priest. I pray that one day he can hear God calling him and that he actually becomes a priest one day. I think he might have already heard God.
Peace & God bless.
Sandy
1Hope4All 4 years ago 2
I agree except i dont think that I am being called to become a priest
trev1619 3 years ago
To trev1619;
True, not all altar boys are called to be priests. But it is still a privilege to serve at a Mass. Both my brothers were altar boys and only one of them stayed in the Church. The other is now a pagan. Please pray for him? Thanks so much.
Peace & Love in Christ.
Sandy
1Hope4All 3 years ago
You are absolutly right. It is a privilege to serve at the mass, and I enjoy every minute of it. That is why I am serving the Holy Thursday Mass, Good Friday Service and the Easter Vigil starting tomorrow. Between those and Christmas and all the masses in between I really do enjoy serving. However I have decided to retire after next year, because I will be going into college and it may because to hecktic. Thanks
I am the same person (trev1619 just a different account name)
tmacer16 3 years ago
simply beautiful
johndasson 4 years ago
Weird - but they did separate the gyrating ladies from the liturgical procesion by placing the cross-bearer behind them. The singers should be unaccompnied at this point of the Holy Thursday ceremony. Overall, vaguely pagan.
pfchtxs 4 years ago
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What the fuck is this????????????? Vestal Virgins of sumfing??????? Absolute shit, especially at a Catholic benediction??? The priest should be shot!!!!
cks125 4 years ago
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Catholics call it Jesus or the "holy" Eucharist and eat him!. But before they eat him, they have to bow down in front of this gold thing called a monstrance. But before they bow down in front of the monstrance (graven image) with their Jesus (idol) in it.You see, their Jesus can't walk. He has to be borne about by men made by men!. THIS is the Catholic Jesus and he is plainly not the Jesus of the Bible
StatueSmasher 4 years ago
one quick question. if everyone is downing female alter servers, why are nuns alright? as stated before, i'm not catholic, but would like to be so i'm just asking questions in search of answers. i myself am like 49/51 on female alter servers.
firefann 4 years ago
It's this way because during the holy sacrifice of the mass there si to be absoltely no way possible for an "evil" thought to be processed. Speaking in terms of "evil" I mean 'lust'. For example, if there's one male and one female 'altar server' on the altar, there is some chance that the boy could be taking his mind off the miracle that is about to be performed right before him and focus on something lustful or vice versa. It's not appropriate and it is very disrespectful.
Patriarch00 4 years ago
See i get it now it is so simple that i missed it! wow.
alright then. so how come women can't be like pastors and positions of that sort, as long as the church or parish has all women serving on the alter?
firefann 4 years ago
What if the women in the congregation are distracted by the altar boys.
I'm not a fan of female altar servers, but your logic doesn't follow.
Pelicanus88 4 years ago
There is quite a differance of someone having an impure thought in the congregation than an acolyte having an impure thought in the sanctuary.
Patriarch00 3 years ago
No women should be up on the altar. This was the liberals who planted this nonsense. The Church has always gained vocations to the priesthood through Male altar servers. This many times is what sparked and led them to become priests. Until this abuse is eliminated, I'd would wholeheartedly suggest people attend the traditional Latin Mass. This is where one receives the Plentitude of graces!
lgedbmt 4 years ago
One thurible (two if possible) while in procession walking in front of the Blessed Sacrament, alternating 3 censes toward the Blessed Saracrament while walking to the altar of repose. Also, what is that crazy dance they're doing around the sacrifical altar before the procession?
Patriarch00 4 years ago