Paul McKeever on TVO's "The Agenda" with Steve Paikin

[UnderDog988]

This guy is so AWSOME

[harrisonconstantinou]

paul forgot about the poor people

[UnderDog988]

@harrisonconstantinou The gouverment is the reason poor people are so poor high taxes, poor proctivity that what make economys crumble. Technology and progress is what make the world a better place. With effencicy and innovation thing became cheap and more of quality at the same time. A poor person in the past is nothing like a poor person now. What make so many people starve is dictatorship, communist, socialism. It CONTROL, freedom is what saves us

[theshaggyskinhead]

Oh the income tax is load of crapola.

God damn it.

[ch1kusoo]

hey Paul.

have you thought of infiltrating the Conservative Party like how Ron Paul infiltrated the Republican party in the U.S?

[meka4996]

I am joining you for ever! We pay only for what we get, and get what we pay for with quality!

[R0YB0T]

Ultimately it is the Doctor who decides what you need and when you need it.

The insurance companies are just a payment mechanism. Why on earth would you want a private company to take a piece of your money before paying the doctor?

Remember Health Care is not a commodity.

With Canada's public option you can Vote out people you do not like and change your HC system.

With the Private option you have to buy enough shares in the company to challenge policy.

What next Private Police and Fire Dpt?

[shirehorse9]

@R0YB0T Well said!

[R0YB0T]

If you left Canada's Health care up to Paul McKeever you would be dealing with for profit private health care companies like the USA deals with.

Pre-Existing condition? No insurance sorry you are not profitable.

Messed up on your convoluted form when you signed up? No insurance sorry.

What Paul McKeever wants is for the wealthy elite of Canada to be able to cut in line regardless of who needs the treatment 1st.

You have tons of rationing care in USA under the private system. It is truly awful.

[RebelRadius]

Superb speaking Paul.

Bravo!

[bjjjon]

Wow. A politician of Reason. The US used to have a couple of these, 300 years ago.

[bjjjon]

Okay more like 225 years ago

[Kurtyoungblood]

Is there any party like this in the US?

[UnderDog988]

@Kurtyoungblood yes there is it called the Objectivist Party it leader is Tom Stevens and his going to run for president in 2012 if any of you can give vote that would be awsome it would give more credit in office.

Also this is all base on ayn rand philosophy which is Objectivism.

I dont know thomas stevens am just a huge fan of ayn rand philosophy and i think that what we need to make the world a better places.

[KeithCharlesPorter]

Paul-well done!

[prettygirlxD15]

oh my nama is mckeever

[sexdrugsRnR]

also, people dont vote for you because many objectivists see voting as a form of 'legitimizing the system'

[PaulMcKeever]

You are certainly correct that some people do not vote, but such people do not vote at all (i.e., they don't vote for anyone).

Such is the case for a lot of libertarians. It is less common for Objectivists not to vote (or, at least, it is less common to see them recommending that one not vote).

[gigamonster1]

Hi Paul, to quote you, "when charity comes at the point of a gun, thats no longer charity, thats theft"

Do you remain consistant with this statement with all of your parties positions?

Do you view all forms of taxations as theft?

[PaulMcKeever]

The Freedom Party of Ontario policies oppose the taxation of income and property. The guiding principle on government finance is that it should be a fee for service, and that the services should be solely those of a legitimate government: defending every individual's life, liberty and property, and administering remedial justice when someone succeeds in violating someone else's life, liberty or property....(cont'd)

[PaulMcKeever]

The policies of Freedom Party, as they stand right now, are not a statement of some theoretical ideal. They are a statement of what, at present, is the extent the party thinks politically feasible.

[glennyh]

Re: theNDPsuck's comments.

Sounds like the words of a libertarian.

[theNDPsuck]

Wow, McKeever really has a face for radio. Heres a tip for you McKeever: Buddy give it up already, you a an ugly piece of shit who spends all day poorly vomitting up nonsense that you skimmed off of wikipedia. Just go back to bowling, shooting at the rifle range, getting fat on malt liquor, and trying to get lucky with choir boys!

[freedompartyhomo]

I really dislike your youtube username, but I agree with your message. McKeever looks like a lonely virgin, with little else to do other than spend time with his only friend: The Computer.

[simonjeste]

[sarcasm]Boy, I'm sure glad that charismatic and esthetically-pleasing attributes are more important than IDEAS and LOGIC in our so-called "leaders"...[/sarcasm]

PS: Non-voting anarcho-capitalist here. Libertarianism supports the scam of a "democratic" system, since voting is violence and based on irrationality...

[bangbangwoosh]

yea haha the extremist right sees inherent danger in public education and health systems,,,but helk,,,spend tons of tax arming civil servants with high tech weapons and handcuffs,,,and all is good,,,aaaahahaha,,not even worth laughing at anymore

[bangbangwoosh]

haha this clown is bitching about waiting lines,,,you come on down here boss,,,look at the

emerge rooms,,,and the weeks and months of paper work you go through with insurance companies,,,keep watching gupta on cnn,,,he has a cute version of reality,,,but it pays off,,,in his case,,,hahahaha!!!!

[o0obEaKeRo0o]

Many Canadians equate universal health care with basic human rights. When we get sick, we are all entitled to the same standard of care. I don't want to live in a country where greater wealth buys you a greater share of a basic human right.

I have my health and who am I to prevent a fellow Canadian from regaining/maintaining theirs? This is not a zero sum gain, the benefit to the haves would outweigh the have-nots. This is Canada... the majority won't accept that. sorry

[HelmetHedd]

When we get sick we're all entitled to the same long lines and waiting lists. Health care in this country is essentially rationed. They can't deny anyone necessary care, but it can be rationed. To believe, as you do, that government can effectively and efficiently provide any service is ludicrous.

[bangbangwoosh]

haha yea hellmet head privatize police fire services and military too cant trust government to do these things put them in pivate hands haha

[HelmetHedd]

After a couple of futile attempts to read and make sense of your comments, it's easy to see that government-run public education just isn't working out.

[bangbangwoosh]

hey if you cant read..theres always the nhl or nfl!..'home schoolin' sometimes pays off!..sometimes...now go vote for your own private military, police force and fire dept. too!...the peoples government just cant cut it right,,,aaaahahaha

[HelmetHedd]

Anybody that puts 'aaaahahaha' in their own comments needs help. Sherlock Holmes couldn't make sense out of the mangled jumbo of nonsense you write.

[HelmetHedd]

I have no problem reading and writing English. It's the jibberish that you put up here that is incomprehensible.

[HelmetHedd]

If health care is a basic human right, what about food and shelter? Shouldn't the government provide those and force you to pay for & accept it, as they do with health care?

[bangbangwoosh]

force? i thot you canucks voted your government in! the govs already have nets in place for those starving and without shelter..small percent compared to those that need medical care evntually..which is everyone..what fundemantal survival sevices you wont deny to the small percentage you cant deny to the large perventage,,,access,,,if u feel losing ur home for gallbladder surgery doesnt make for capitalist exceptions u live in la la land,,,come on down here big guy,,,live your dream!!!!!

[terraindrain1]

It is sad that the Freedom party is trying to hood-wink people into supporting their ultra right wing agenda. The freedom party only wants to gut Ontario, and ensure that millions of Ontarians have no health care just like millions upon millions of Americans.

[ch1kusoo]

lol well the Freedom Party isn't supporting the U.S. health care system. Paul made that clear in the video.

i don't get why Canadians think only the U.S. has private healthcare? lol the other places in the world has two-tier healthcare. why is Canada behind? why is there no private tier in Canada?

[firebat01]

I like a lot of things Paul Mckeever has to say but as an American, we admire Canada for their universal healthcare. There's a lot of corruption involved in the independent healthcare providers.

[racingbritain]

Are you seriously suggesting there is no corruption in "universal healthcare", i.e. the government? Do you honestly want the same government that handled Katrina handling your health care? I am an American & will never support nationalized health care. Nationalized health care robs the patient of choice, quality of services delivered, & requires him to wait in month to year long queues for procedures. Yes, there are issues with our current system, but they are caused by government interference.

[phaedress]

Never mind, Mr. McKeever. Checking your site I find you are a Randian.

As you have the philosophy of an adolescent I could hardly expect you to understand social structures (like saving the life of a stranger) that require a higher level of community evolution.

The kind of collectivism she was responding to was one imposed by force from above, an utterly different beast from the Canadian Socialism your party seeks to dismantle.

[simonjeste]

All government "laws" are enforced by a death threat, or at the very least a promise to throw you in a cage. Whether or not any individual real living human being has had his/her rights violated.

No government "representative" can logically prove through factual evidence that they they represent ANYONE but themselves... The "secret ballot" ensures the scam continues...

[phaedress]

Scary. All I can see from this is that people with means will buy more insurance. Those, like me, who got sick before they got rich would simply die.

As the walking dead (saved by medicare), I find this deeply disturbing.

[PaulMcKeever]

Consider this: if the government had not existed, what would you have done? Would it have been right for you to steal money from your neighbour so that you could pay your medical bill? If not: what makes it moral for the government to steal it FOR you?

[phaedress]

Nope. I would be dead. is that right?

[phaedress]

I paid taxes, of course. I sent no children to school, and wore the roads down very little as I was a cyclist.

I would not have robbed my neighbour, nor do I consider that the govt did it for me. I beleive that they, all Camndians, voluntarily saved my life. They decided that I was somehow intrisically valuable, despite being reckless enough to get cancer in my 30s.

You would change that?

[PaulMcKeever]

Anyone who wanted to give you their money would be free to do it. Nobody I know voluntarily gave you their money, nor did they necessarily think you were intrinsically valuable. The simple and obvious fact is that the government took their money. The government gave it to those who provided you with medical services, even if you contributed a fraction as well. If you think it would have been wrong for you to steal their money, it was wrong for the government to do so for you.

[phaedress]

You're right.

I shall refuse all further medical care so that you may maintain your quality of life.

I hope nobody is taking your party seriously. I'd check your other videos, but frankly your glib indiference infuriates me beyond reason.

[PaulMcKeever]

I'm far from indifferent to your past illness. But neither do I subscribe to the notion that ones illness entitles one to make someone else their provider, financier, or slave. The money taken from A to pay for B's health or happiness is money that A no longer has to pay for his own health or happiness. To benefit B is to harm A, even if B chooses not to notice that. Our governance, at present, is "glibly indifferent" to the harm caused to A. An FP government would not be so.

[phaedress]

"But neither do I subscribe to the notion that ones illness entitles one to make someone else their provider, financier, or slave."

Right, right. You're Hank Rearden, and I'm your no-good brother profiting from the sweat of your brow.

Personally, I would rather have 'less' to allow others to have 'some'. That includes health care, comodities, natural resources and just about everything else.

[phaedress]

I'm afraid I don't see taxes which reduce one person's disposable income as equivalent in value to healthcare that saves another's life.

Interedependence is why we form societies. The kind of individualism Objectivists (I'm assuming you are) espouse is good for baboons and emotionally stunted ex-bourgoisie.

[RicPhlare]

phaedress- Naturally after McKeever used logic, reasoning and common sense you resort to the standard name-calling. Typical.

[simonjeste]

Paul, be careful about how you're wasting your time ( ;) )

...folks like yourself and Marc Stevens and Stefan Molyneux have tons of videos on Youtube that are logical and reason-able but have comments filled with irrationality and emotionalism and straw-man arguments... Invest your time in educating, although I admit asking simple questions like this are a good way to wake up the "fence-sitters". But not the hardened statists.

[PaulMcKeever]

Oh, I'm fully aware that many people spend most of their energy trying desperately NOT to know things, in order not to interfere with their desire to believe that you can get something for nothing.

Keep in mind, though, that a political party can do things that, say, a registered charity is forbidden, by law, to do, like criticize a political party in government etc.. If nobody actually writes the press releases, and makes the videos (etc.) doing so, identifying the nature of what...

[PaulMcKeever]

...said parties/governments are doing (epistemologically, morally, politically, economically) can be rather difficult for most people. A political party can identify bullshitters as such, and can bring to everyone's attention the fact that they were right when they warned that government-boondoggle-X would turn out to be a huge, immoral, expensive failure.

[nmhood]

nice job. if i could vote in Ontario i'd throw it your way.

[MtnSoli2d]

Interesting, you are like the Ron Paul of Canada (who I will be voting for here shortly). I have seen many Canadians express dismay that they can't support Ron Paul, perhaps I will send them to the Freedom Party if they are unaware of you guys.

[newargot]

Kind of ironic that your greatest media exposure was on a state-owned television station, dont you think? If you can't get your message out on the free market stations what do you think that indicates?

[PaulMcKeever]

Canadian federal law requires parties to receive "equitable time" on each station. This was undoubtedly a case of TVO being forced, by law, to provide coverage.

[PaulMcKeever]

That private stations didn't cover us (or many other parties) should tell you the difference between "business" and "capitalism". Businesses want something for nothing, and so do many others. With their newspapers etc., they promote parties that will steal from others. It's that simple.

[lonewolf1369]

How would private businesses get 'something from nothing' from the other parties? Aren't the other parties going to be taxing them more?

[Chalaco16]

excellent!

[qtronman]

"You're kind of messing with a state religion [socialized medicine] here..."

Indeed, and how sad is it that people still support "state religion"?

[racingbritain]

Excellent appearance and delivery, Paul. I would love to see a Freedom Party in the U.S.. In fact, I would find great value in helping to make it happen. Reason and logic appear to be extinct in American government, and it is becoming maddening watching my liberty being stripped away by well intentioned do-gooders.

[terraindrain1]

It is called the Republican Party. It has done an excellent job in cutting taxes for the ultra rich (top 2%), while poverty rates have skyrocketed. So unless you earne more than $183,000 a year, this party probably isn't for you.

[racingbritain]

Respectfully, I think you should take a closer look at each party's platforms. It would be intellectually dishonest to say Freedom Party & the Republican Party are the same, or even similar. Each is built on a different philosophy. Where the Republican Party is for targeted tax cuts & largess, Freedom Party supports, "[a]'single rate' or 'flat' tax system, [in which] every individual pays a given percentage of his earnings to the government."

[terraindrain1]

Why is it a good idea that the people who can least afford to pay taxes, do not receive a tax break?

[racingbritain]

As humans, are we not all equal? Then why treat some as though they are not based on their income? Targeted tax breaks are unfair & send a bad message. That message is, "if you work harder in an effort to improve your condition, then you will be punished." That discourages people from wanting to be more productive & improve their quality of life. Last, a flat tax would actually be lower than the rate we currently pay, at all income levels. It would lower the burden for those with low incomes.

[HelmetHedd]

The people that can least afford to pay taxes don't pay them. The idea put forth by the left that the 'poor' pay because the rich don't is a pantload. We need lower taxes and less government intrusion in our lives. We need a flat tax.

[pitcalco]

Excellent presentation, Paul. But you willhave to expand a bit on the "ghost of Mike Harris" a bit to use expatriots.

Cheers.

[PaulMcKeever]

No problem: Mike Harris was Premier of Ontario between 1995 and 2002.  He initially campaigned on a 33% tax cut, eliminating affirmative action, and eliminating photo radar. Arguably, he kept those promises. Since he left politics, he has been demonized by the left, who say that his tax cuts led to crippled social services (by which they mean schools, education, welfare etc.).

[HelmetHedd]

Harris was the best Premier we ever had, he just moved too slow and got tired. He needed to start destroying the socialist apparatus immediately. The left-wing media and unions were going to scream no matter what he did. If a truly conservative party gets control again, that is the one lesson that needs to be learned. Destroy the socialist structure and quickly.