Is it me or do these engines take a long time to start up? I am indeed no stranger to raw horsepower. I maintained 2 Caterpillar 8,000 Series engines in a treatment plant. They did not run on diesel, The heads were changed out to run off of Methane & Natural gas. 80% and 20%. They just started up way quicker & they were bigger that the loco's engines. Nice post, Love the sound of that friggin power.
Your CATs were probably of a smaller bore and may have been less horsepower. Were they air start? These particular locomotives (GEVO-12 engine) are started on six cylinders with an electric starter, then worked up to all twelve. This video seems to show a very long startup, but after awhile, he's just notching the throttle--the engine has already been running.
@SpeakerPolice They first started using air start and then made me wire in the electrical starters for a second time. Sorry I do not remember the bore. The engine I worked on were huge 8 cyl. engines. The CSX horsepower I am sure was way more that what the CATs put out. These were connected to impellars to supply air via super soft couplings. Still love the CSX power sound. 4 people do not and they dont know power.
@SpeakerPolice I stand corrected, I think they were 3508's. Yes totaly different engines used in different applications. I can tell you one thing, Although I wore hearing protection I am indeed hard of hearing thanks to them lous boys Ok, So where did you get your knowledge of these Beastly engines.
Haha, I bet! I am a total gearhead, so I strive to learn all I can about big engines. I've worked on lawnmowers to locomotives and everything in between! x3
Wow I didn't realize the new Gevo's sound exactly like a C40-8 when they start up I would assume it would sound different since its a 12 cylinder motor compared to a 16. Guess it's pry the same basic type of motor just with less cylinders and more EPA stuff on it for less emissions.
They sound quite different, actually. O_o Look up my video of a B40-8 startup to hear a 7FDL16 starting up. (Same engine used in the C40-8) On a related note, the 7FDL12 also sounds different from the 7FDL16; the 12-cylinder sounds a bit slower. The GEVO engine is based heavily on the (failed) 7HDL16 engine design originally used in the AC6000CW.
Many of the newer units of both makes are having to be derated because of wheel slippage problems due to overpowering the traction motors.GE has had less problems in this regard due to the high adhesion wheelsets, but still have not been immune. The AC motors are worse in this regard because they are so much more efficient at power transfer. New designs are being tested at both makers for new trucks that are suited to the AC efficiency. ALCO had same problems in 60s with Century series.
@SpeakerPolice These issues have plagued attempts at super powering diesels since the start.You either have too much power for to few axles or to little power for to many axles. Now they have managed to do this even with 6 axle units. Steam had managed to overcomr this and monster locomotives resulted.Now with all the foreign made components and rollercoaster quality issues, 4000hp may be the cap.No more Centennials.At least the cabs are more comfortable these days, and cab ac is always a plus.
Not even steam was immune--several large steamers were built that ran well on flat rail, but would encounter serious problems on even 1 percent grades. I remember a TRAINS Magazine article all about this: 'Big Boy or big mistake?'. Interesting read!
I don't think another double diesel will be made, but for another reason: If you lose one of the engines, you've lost half your horsepower without the ability to swap it out for a new locomotive.
@SpeakerPolice That was an excellent article you cited. Big Boys were handsome but all the PR about them was falseThe Alleghenies weighed more, the Y6bs produced more tractive effort, and those great locomotives on the Missabe were bigger. Those Y6bs were technological gems not to be outdone I think, the Js and their 8000hp either.Now engines are rolling computers more than machines.This can bring benefits,it also brings issues.A computer can't take that kind of industrial abuse.RRs are learning
@SpeakerPolice As much as I like railroads,they historically are known for stupid choices.The steam/diesel changeover bankrupted nearly every single road. It probably was inevitable, but overnight was bizarre.N&W would still be better off with steam with coal at their backdoor. I am still wondering why roads arent running little joes, E33s, or GF6cs like BC rail had. Conrail got into big trouble switching from elec to diesel.That switch killed Milwaukee Road. Its mismanagement of resources.
@SpeakerPolice Its totally weird seeing SR trains on Horseshoe curve, NKP hotlines and Wabash yards.The totally privitizing craze has gone full circle and now class 2&3 railroads abound.They just dont have the romance of D&H, Boston & Maine, WM, Cotton Belt, Frisco, Western Pacific, Rio Grande,Ga RR, AWP,Clinchfield, Erie, Reading, DL&W, New Haven,Wabash or NKP. Somehow I'm just not getting into: RJ CORMAN, Progressive Rail etc. Bring back the FLAGS! Youd think RRs would run them as subsidiaries
@SpeakerPolice Well..not to get technical, but if you look back at the pics of the Conrail SD80MACs, you can pretty much see what an Ace would look like since they are of the same basic design. ;) :D
@SpeakerPolice Well look at NS turning to trust AC and now started buying AC and turning some of their D9s into 4400HP and now CSX is turning into NS by derating units to under 4000HP etc. That is just like a swap too me.
Not really. the Cooper Bessemer FDL that the GE FDLs are based off of has been around for quite some time! They may sound similar, but they are quite different.
@SpeakerPolice I understand. I always thought they were since I was a kid. Because they were so similar in many ways. I don't know I will take Alcos and EMDs over GE any day.
Your right, they just lost the majority share. Losing the market is what happened to BLH. The 50 series had some issues with cables, control modules, plus the CSX units came with air cooled compressors, which overheated. Further, the cylinder heads leaked water, and having an SD50 just run out of water was pretty common in the 1980s. Further, the water leaks caused starting problems at times. CSX did a major reworking of their 50s in 1991, which fixed these most of these troubles.
EMD lost the market because of the poor mechnical and electrical record of the 50 series in the mid 1980s. The 60 series was a HUGE improvement, but reputation is hard to rebuild.
GE has had it's difficulties, but it has always fought like a demon to please the buyers, even if it meant losing money sometimes. They seem to be much more innovative than EMD. Plus, GE's tend to cost less!
They never lost the market, just the largest share of it. I really like the 50 series, if not just because of the way the 645F engine sounds. xD It did suck as far as reliability, though. I never heard of them having electrical problems. I can't say I'd call GE any more innovative than EMD. The GEVO isn't really all that radically different than an SD70ACe. And, the ACes don't randomly barbecue. xD
@DQE347 EMD went down hill because GM was not sure if they would keep the division or not and did not put the R & D into it. After EMD was sold, they totaly went to hell because the holding company had no interest in locomotives, just profits. Now that RailPower has purchased EMD, with Cat as a parent company, I expect big changes and improvements.
@JBthebirdhunter Yes. a classic case of a company TOTALLY losing focus. The locomotive builder "version" of of the same sort of short sighted, stupid thinking that gave us the CSX "stealth". Ge has offered a less expensive unit,with much more aggressive product support than EMD, which in today's world is a winner.
I liken EMD to Motorola in that respect--both used to be on top of the world in their own markets, until competition showed up. Motorola has more competitors than EMD does, however.
@SpeakerPolice I have not worked on an ACE yet. The 70 M-2 has proven to be a total piece of crap. FIRE screens, crew cab noise, water presure sensors, fly wheel ring gear, water fill neck, traction motor speed sensors, EMD dc traction motors in general, DIO modules in the EM2000. I can go on and on. GEVOs have their list of problems also, turbo shafts made in third world countries but I would rather work on one over an SD 70 any day of the week.
@SpeakerPolice I have not worked on an ACE yet. The 70 M-2 has proven to be a total piece of junk. FIRE screens, crew cab noise, water presure sensors, fly wheel ring gear, water fill neck, traction motor speed sensors, EMD dc traction motors in general, DIO modules in the EM2000. I can go on and on. GEVOs have their list of problems also, turbo shafts made in third world countries but I would rather work on one over an SD 70 any day of the week.
Despite the fact these don't smoke as much I've seen some that smoke like ALCOs. The implication being that they are living up to their ancestor's reputation for being smokers.
They are getting both of them. They are going to start populating there fleet with moth ES44Acs and SD70ACe. The ES44AC with come in handy with the locotrol feature when it comes to hauling longer coal trains. I sensing that NS could possibly break Australia's record that was set in 2001. After all N&W did back in 1967 with a 500 car coal train and six new SD45s. The record was ours for about two decades.
Great sounding Startup, and i think i hear a hint of what us railroaders call "Turbo Cough" It happens when the turbo on an engine kicks in before the engine actually fires. Happens a lot to GE's but is harmless and cool to hear!!
i remember the sound of the 7FDL's on C30-7's and the old 251C's from alco C630's in valle de mexico looong time ago,too bad the alcos are gone and the old GE dash 7 are being sold to brazil.excelent video man brings back memories......good memories
CSX just retired all of their remaining Dash 7's. =( Some of them are going to Brazil. The ALCOs are some of the coolest engines there are =) Thanks, glad you like! I have some more FDL engines on my Channel including an idling B36-7 and starting C40-8W, if you're interested. (also an ALCo RS3 and S2 videos!)
well CSX did that cause GE does not Warnatee the Cooper-Bessimer FDL engines anymore, though GE has plenty of spares and extra parts to supply the world twice over. It is sad that CSX did what they did, them good old C30-7's and B30-7's were a wonderful locomotive, i got to operate one and man do they lug, and yes they take a bit to start too, lol but nothing a good shot of Either can't fix :) :P
Yep, for some Reason GE does not Warantee their FDL-V16 engines anymore. I personally think that GE just decided to eliminate their original Prime Mover from their repair Roster. Now GE will still produce and service their Locomotives, but they don't do much more then that now. Still GE dominates the Market so i don't see them losing out on much. They got the V 12 and the V 10 plus their Gen-Set engines so yeah.. Still it is sad that they decided to cut back.
The Dash-9 and AC4400CW engines are in a "Moth Ball" Warranty on parts and labor, though they do have a new Engine coming out soon to replace their FDL-V16 in most of the Dash 7,8,9, and AC series Locos. GE has and will remain the Pride of the USA. They took the lead from EMD only cause GE caught on to the AC Traction Motor and already knew what to do with it and how to utilize it for best adhesion, and tractive effort. They will still service and repair the Dash-9 and AC4400CW and AC6000CW.
HA - As a former GE employee, I can believe almost any sleight-of-hand stories about them! But, how do they get boost pressure to spin the turbo before the engine is running?
I can help on that one. GE's Engines have an auto-Turbo system, It is supposed to spin off Compressed Air from the Tanks and rev before the engine starts. That is how the Startup of the turbo causes the "Turbo Caugh" sometimes the engine fires before the poor turbo can get any real speed to help with ignition..lol You can even get a Thumph" sound from the engine actually catching fire when the turbo engages. It is a rare but cool sound. and totally harmless.
well, I have to say GE's are really nice to listen to. Especially start up. I have heard EMD's start up. though my favorite EMD would be the F59phi. would be awesome to see one of those start up!
What a great video! Inside every GE is the heart of an Alco! No one would have been surprised if this thing would have belched coal black smoke as the prime mover was coming online, just to show its heritage!
Excellent audio! Looking forward to watching more of your videos.
Thanks so much! I agree, the GE's FDL engines are ALCo's at heart. Very similar designs and sounds! I heard that there is actually a computer program in the GEVOS that prevents them from smoking.
Soon here, if I can figure out these crappy new YouTube Channels, I will put up a video I took of me standing on the side of an idling ALCo RS3 with the access doors open. =D
They actually run faster than EMD's (1100RPM in notch 8 vs. 900-1000 for an EMD), but the 4-stroke engine makes it sound slower. EMD uses a 2-stroke diesel in everything but the SD90MAC.
As a side-note, these EVO engines seem to start on 6 cylinders instead of all 12. Notice the pronounced thump-thump-thump for the first few seconds, then the sound becomes normal... well, normal for a GE.
1:15!!!!
DenverGuy11111 2 weeks ago
Sounds great, doesn't it? x3
SpeakerPolice 1 week ago
It is pretty sexy if you ask me. ;3
AMH9217 1 month ago
It can be, though I think EMDs sound even better. ;3
SpeakerPolice 1 month ago
@SpeakerPolice I would need to agree because of SD40-s's... REALLY SEXY! >;3
AMH9217 1 month ago
*shivers*
AMH9217 1 month ago
Sounds that amazing, eh? x3
SpeakerPolice 1 month ago
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inrd9001 2 months ago
Is it me or do these engines take a long time to start up? I am indeed no stranger to raw horsepower. I maintained 2 Caterpillar 8,000 Series engines in a treatment plant. They did not run on diesel, The heads were changed out to run off of Methane & Natural gas. 80% and 20%. They just started up way quicker & they were bigger that the loco's engines. Nice post, Love the sound of that friggin power.
THEATREofPAIN270 5 months ago
Your CATs were probably of a smaller bore and may have been less horsepower. Were they air start? These particular locomotives (GEVO-12 engine) are started on six cylinders with an electric starter, then worked up to all twelve. This video seems to show a very long startup, but after awhile, he's just notching the throttle--the engine has already been running.
SpeakerPolice 5 months ago
@SpeakerPolice They first started using air start and then made me wire in the electrical starters for a second time. Sorry I do not remember the bore. The engine I worked on were huge 8 cyl. engines. The CSX horsepower I am sure was way more that what the CATs put out. These were connected to impellars to supply air via super soft couplings. Still love the CSX power sound. 4 people do not and they dont know power.
THEATREofPAIN270 5 months ago
8 cylinder--may have been 3508s? These engines here are 12 cylinder 'V' engines producing 4,400 HP.
And I agree about those 4 people. xD
SpeakerPolice 5 months ago
@SpeakerPolice I stand corrected, I think they were 3508's. Yes totaly different engines used in different applications. I can tell you one thing, Although I wore hearing protection I am indeed hard of hearing thanks to them lous boys Ok, So where did you get your knowledge of these Beastly engines.
THEATREofPAIN270 5 months ago
Haha, I bet! I am a total gearhead, so I strive to learn all I can about big engines. I've worked on lawnmowers to locomotives and everything in between! x3
SpeakerPolice 5 months ago
@SpeakerPolice Electric start on all 12 then when the enigne is warmed up it's goes into skip fire which runs 6 cylinders per cycle to save on fuel .
CSXAC6000CW 3 months ago
Ahh, thanks for clearing that up. :)
SpeakerPolice 3 months ago
@THEATREofPAIN270 in a diesel there is MUCH more compression than a gasoline engine. also, there is a LOT of weight to move.
flippy941 2 months ago
@flippy941 I am aware of that. It is amazing what these locos can move. Gotta love that power. Happy New Year from New Joisey.
THEATREofPAIN270 2 months ago
i didnt notice a GEVO unit's air compressor motor was loud starting up like a C40-8. i love that sound!!
6V92TA 5 months ago
They use a similar system. ;)
SpeakerPolice 5 months ago
Wow I didn't realize the new Gevo's sound exactly like a C40-8 when they start up I would assume it would sound different since its a 12 cylinder motor compared to a 16. Guess it's pry the same basic type of motor just with less cylinders and more EPA stuff on it for less emissions.
400exNick 6 months ago
They sound quite different, actually. O_o Look up my video of a B40-8 startup to hear a 7FDL16 starting up. (Same engine used in the C40-8) On a related note, the 7FDL12 also sounds different from the 7FDL16; the 12-cylinder sounds a bit slower. The GEVO engine is based heavily on the (failed) 7HDL16 engine design originally used in the AC6000CW.
SpeakerPolice 6 months ago
Wow not much smoke! Nice job, GE!
fixierider97 6 months ago
why did the doors shake???
Trainaholic2946 7 months ago
From the engine shaking the carbody upon startup. xD
SpeakerPolice 7 months ago
Many of the newer units of both makes are having to be derated because of wheel slippage problems due to overpowering the traction motors.GE has had less problems in this regard due to the high adhesion wheelsets, but still have not been immune. The AC motors are worse in this regard because they are so much more efficient at power transfer. New designs are being tested at both makers for new trucks that are suited to the AC efficiency. ALCO had same problems in 60s with Century series.
kevingthompson13 7 months ago
I heard this, yes. Also, GE had problems with wheelslip on the B40-8's, simply because 4,000 horses was just too much on only four axles.
SpeakerPolice 7 months ago
(CSX is derating theirs to B20-8 status in an attempt to rectify this, as well as standardize their switching fleet to 2,000 horsepower)
SpeakerPolice 7 months ago
@SpeakerPolice These issues have plagued attempts at super powering diesels since the start.You either have too much power for to few axles or to little power for to many axles. Now they have managed to do this even with 6 axle units. Steam had managed to overcomr this and monster locomotives resulted.Now with all the foreign made components and rollercoaster quality issues, 4000hp may be the cap.No more Centennials.At least the cabs are more comfortable these days, and cab ac is always a plus.
kevingthompson13 7 months ago
Not even steam was immune--several large steamers were built that ran well on flat rail, but would encounter serious problems on even 1 percent grades. I remember a TRAINS Magazine article all about this: 'Big Boy or big mistake?'. Interesting read!
I don't think another double diesel will be made, but for another reason: If you lose one of the engines, you've lost half your horsepower without the ability to swap it out for a new locomotive.
SpeakerPolice 7 months ago
@SpeakerPolice That was an excellent article you cited. Big Boys were handsome but all the PR about them was falseThe Alleghenies weighed more, the Y6bs produced more tractive effort, and those great locomotives on the Missabe were bigger. Those Y6bs were technological gems not to be outdone I think, the Js and their 8000hp either.Now engines are rolling computers more than machines.This can bring benefits,it also brings issues.A computer can't take that kind of industrial abuse.RRs are learning
kevingthompson13 7 months ago
It was a great article! I am fond of the Y6bs, as well as the 4-6-4 Hudsons, J1e.
SpeakerPolice 7 months ago
@SpeakerPolice As much as I like railroads,they historically are known for stupid choices.The steam/diesel changeover bankrupted nearly every single road. It probably was inevitable, but overnight was bizarre.N&W would still be better off with steam with coal at their backdoor. I am still wondering why roads arent running little joes, E33s, or GF6cs like BC rail had. Conrail got into big trouble switching from elec to diesel.That switch killed Milwaukee Road. Its mismanagement of resources.
kevingthompson13 7 months ago
There were some interesting turn of events, that's for sure. I wish Conrail was still around!
Can you imagine an SD70ACe in Conrail Blue? I can. :B
SpeakerPolice 7 months ago
@SpeakerPolice Its totally weird seeing SR trains on Horseshoe curve, NKP hotlines and Wabash yards.The totally privitizing craze has gone full circle and now class 2&3 railroads abound.They just dont have the romance of D&H, Boston & Maine, WM, Cotton Belt, Frisco, Western Pacific, Rio Grande,Ga RR, AWP,Clinchfield, Erie, Reading, DL&W, New Haven,Wabash or NKP. Somehow I'm just not getting into: RJ CORMAN, Progressive Rail etc. Bring back the FLAGS! Youd think RRs would run them as subsidiaries
kevingthompson13 7 months ago
@SpeakerPolice Well..not to get technical, but if you look back at the pics of the Conrail SD80MACs, you can pretty much see what an Ace would look like since they are of the same basic design. ;) :D
BamaRailfan 7 months ago
They are similar, but not the same. :B
SpeakerPolice 7 months ago
@SpeakerPolice Imagine A Chessie System AC6000CW
re49991 7 months ago
I'd love to see one! Or a Chessie SD70ACe!
SpeakerPolice 7 months ago
cold start???
acuarofilio 10 months ago
Yes, indeed.
SpeakerPolice 10 months ago
They are derating some of the es4400's though. Sucks
CSX4772 11 months ago
They are derating all of the ES44DC's to ES40DC's, as far as I know. They are leaving the ES44AC/AH's alone.
SpeakerPolice 11 months ago
@SpeakerPolice Makes me think NS and CSX has swapped out with eachother VIP board of directors :)
The40MAC 9 months ago
Hmmm? xD
SpeakerPolice 9 months ago
@SpeakerPolice Well look at NS turning to trust AC and now started buying AC and turning some of their D9s into 4400HP and now CSX is turning into NS by derating units to under 4000HP etc. That is just like a swap too me.
The40MAC 9 months ago
Ah, you're right! Strange! xD
SpeakerPolice 9 months ago
what engine is in this thing v12 what?
Z32spdstr 11 months ago
Yes, it is a General Electric GEVO-12 engine. 45-degree V12, four-stroke, turbocharged, 4,400 horsepower.
SpeakerPolice 11 months ago
Cool! I rarely get to hear/see a loco starting up!
CSXCP55 1 year ago
When it first starting turning over sounded like an Alco RS-3
tempronproducts 1 year ago
@tempronproducts That's because GE is a Alco rip off. At less to me anyway
LycoValleyRRFan 1 year ago
Not really. the Cooper Bessemer FDL that the GE FDLs are based off of has been around for quite some time! They may sound similar, but they are quite different.
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
@SpeakerPolice I understand. I always thought they were since I was a kid. Because they were so similar in many ways. I don't know I will take Alcos and EMDs over GE any day.
LycoValleyRRFan 1 year ago
Kinda, though more subdued and slower. xD
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
Your right, they just lost the majority share. Losing the market is what happened to BLH. The 50 series had some issues with cables, control modules, plus the CSX units came with air cooled compressors, which overheated. Further, the cylinder heads leaked water, and having an SD50 just run out of water was pretty common in the 1980s. Further, the water leaks caused starting problems at times. CSX did a major reworking of their 50s in 1991, which fixed these most of these troubles.
DQE347 1 year ago
Yeah, BLH got the short end of the stick. xD I never knew about the 1991 overhauls. Unrelated to the SD50-2 program, I assume?
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
EMD lost the market because of the poor mechnical and electrical record of the 50 series in the mid 1980s. The 60 series was a HUGE improvement, but reputation is hard to rebuild.
GE has had it's difficulties, but it has always fought like a demon to please the buyers, even if it meant losing money sometimes. They seem to be much more innovative than EMD. Plus, GE's tend to cost less!
DQE347 1 year ago
They never lost the market, just the largest share of it. I really like the 50 series, if not just because of the way the 645F engine sounds. xD It did suck as far as reliability, though. I never heard of them having electrical problems. I can't say I'd call GE any more innovative than EMD. The GEVO isn't really all that radically different than an SD70ACe. And, the ACes don't randomly barbecue. xD
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
@DQE347 EMD went down hill because GM was not sure if they would keep the division or not and did not put the R & D into it. After EMD was sold, they totaly went to hell because the holding company had no interest in locomotives, just profits. Now that RailPower has purchased EMD, with Cat as a parent company, I expect big changes and improvements.
JBthebirdhunter 1 year ago
@JBthebirdhunter Yes. a classic case of a company TOTALLY losing focus. The locomotive builder "version" of of the same sort of short sighted, stupid thinking that gave us the CSX "stealth". Ge has offered a less expensive unit,with much more aggressive product support than EMD, which in today's world is a winner.
DQE347 1 year ago
I liken EMD to Motorola in that respect--both used to be on top of the world in their own markets, until competition showed up. Motorola has more competitors than EMD does, however.
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
I wouldn't say that EMD ever went fully into the shitter--the 710 engine has always been reliable. Well, more reliable than the 265 anyway. xD
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
@SpeakerPolice The 710 is reliable, but what good is that when nothing else is?
JBthebirdhunter 1 year ago
What is that supposed to mean? I don't see any problems with the SD70ACes that's as prevalent as oh say, GEVOs with exploding turbos. :P
SpeakerPolice 11 months ago
@SpeakerPolice I have not worked on an ACE yet. The 70 M-2 has proven to be a total piece of crap. FIRE screens, crew cab noise, water presure sensors, fly wheel ring gear, water fill neck, traction motor speed sensors, EMD dc traction motors in general, DIO modules in the EM2000. I can go on and on. GEVOs have their list of problems also, turbo shafts made in third world countries but I would rather work on one over an SD 70 any day of the week.
JBthebirdhunter 11 months ago
@SpeakerPolice I have not worked on an ACE yet. The 70 M-2 has proven to be a total piece of junk. FIRE screens, crew cab noise, water presure sensors, fly wheel ring gear, water fill neck, traction motor speed sensors, EMD dc traction motors in general, DIO modules in the EM2000. I can go on and on. GEVOs have their list of problems also, turbo shafts made in third world countries but I would rather work on one over an SD 70 any day of the week.
JBthebirdhunter 11 months ago
i like GEVOs
re49991 1 year ago
They are fun to hate, but also fun to like. xD
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
i love the shwa sound it makes
re49991 1 year ago
Yep! Air compressor!
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
The sound of startup is one of the coolest sounds a loco makes. It's as if the beast has sprung to life.
fizzlejibbs 1 year ago
It is pretty cool. =)
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
Despite the fact these don't smoke as much I've seen some that smoke like ALCOs. The implication being that they are living up to their ancestor's reputation for being smokers.
kmothersil 1 year ago
Interesting, maybe the computer system was disabled? xD
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
@SpeakerPolice
Probably. It was a train of just AH diesels by the way no cars.
kmothersil 1 year ago
Wow, maybe they were new, and coming from the factory? I'd love to see the trains that are delivering Norfolk Southern's brand-new SD70ACe's. 8D
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
@SpeakerPolice
They are also getting more ES44ACs on top of the SD70ACe. A total of 180 new engines from late this year all the way to 2014.
kmothersil 1 year ago
Darn! And here I was thinking they were switching to EMD...xD
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
@SpeakerPolice
They are getting both of them. They are going to start populating there fleet with moth ES44Acs and SD70ACe. The ES44AC with come in handy with the locotrol feature when it comes to hauling longer coal trains. I sensing that NS could possibly break Australia's record that was set in 2001. After all N&W did back in 1967 with a 500 car coal train and six new SD45s. The record was ours for about two decades.
kmothersil 1 year ago
SIX SD45's? Holy cow, I would probably die if I heard what that sounded like. xD
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
I'm loving it at 1:45... Whoomp! Only GEs!!!
espinozajos 1 year ago
Yup, that GE-exclusive air compressor xD
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
when it does start it gives us the good ol alco chug.
train2589 1 year ago
She sure does! That's the sound of a big four-stroke diesel!
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
Great video!
morfeusz120 1 year ago
Thanks ^^
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
excuse my ignorance but what does GEVO stand for
rhondaw1 1 year ago
GEVO is a portmanteau of General Electric Evolution, or ES Series, the name of the locomotive model.
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
I would of liked it better if it was a CN GEVO. I've already saw 2 out of the 89 CN GEVOs ES44DC
MrLuebeck 1 year ago
If there are any CN GEVOs waaay down here, they're lost. xD
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
I work on the GEVO at General Electric. Only if I could take videos
Inline6boost 1 year ago
That would be cool to see... =)
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
Once the project I am working on hits the market, I will see what I can do. I bet you haven't seen a Tier 3 GEVO.
Inline6boost 1 year ago
No, I didn't know the GEVO was Tier 3 certified at all O_o xD
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
@SpeakerPolice Its not on the Roads yet. There is a Prototype and a few field units right now being tested
Inline6boost 1 year ago
That's cool. Is it a V12 like the other models, or a totally new configuration?
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
@SpeakerPolice It is a V12
Inline6boost 1 year ago
Ah, OK.
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
@Inline6boost Do you know how many or where these field units are going to?
MattyMaurer11 1 year ago
@MattyMaurer11 Not sure... I wish I could tell you
Inline6boost 1 year ago
SPEAKER POLICE LOVELY VID WHAT A SOUND !
raymondrayban 1 year ago
Thank you muchly :)
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
Really long bell.
train2589 1 year ago
Yes, it was. I believe this may have been an autostart.
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
And my other favorite Heavy Metal noise!
mp897 1 year ago
They do sound pretty sweet. =)
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
Great sounding Startup, and i think i hear a hint of what us railroaders call "Turbo Cough" It happens when the turbo on an engine kicks in before the engine actually fires. Happens a lot to GE's but is harmless and cool to hear!!
phildoethedildoe 1 year ago
You very well might hear turbo cough. It wouldn't surprise me, being a GE and all. xD
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
its always a good relaxing sound listening to a nice GEVO-12 motor idle
sneadfootball 1 year ago
They do sound nice. =)
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
Dude...see if you can catch a C40-8 idling away long enough to catch that classic air compressor whomp, start, compress and ending cycle.
6V92TA 1 year ago
Actually, I believe I have a few recordings of exactly that! I'll see if I can find one and post it.
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
@SpeakerPolice You da man!!!
6V92TA 1 year ago
love the "whoop" sound of those DC traction motors. GREAT VIDEO!!!
fireball789789 1 year ago
This is an AC traction locomotive, and the sound you're hearing is actually the air compressor kicking on. But it is an awesome sound nonetheless!
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
@SpeakerPolice Yeah you know what I actually was wondering about the ''whoop'' sound too but now I know! Its an engine driven compressor I think.
westwick87 1 year ago
That is correct! =)
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
@SpeakerPolice are the DC traction locos on the west coast like the Dash 9 44CW?
fireball789789 1 year ago
I don't think AC or DC traction varies by region, t least not on the CSX. We get plenty of both (AC4400CW, C40-8W, SD70MAC, etc.)
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
@SpeakerPolice alright, thanks! once again great video!!!
fireball789789 1 year ago
Thank you again 8D
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
@SpeakerPolice no prob man. haha. i love trains!!!
fireball789789 1 year ago
You and me both 8D
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
I like the EMD sound way better! The GE's always seem like they are struggling to crank and have that chug chug sound...Great video! Thumbs Up!
DJGENEX71 1 year ago
The GEs definitely start slower. I also prefer the sound of an EMD starting up, like in my most recent video! =)
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
Sounds like me un clogging a sink lol
jschmid 1 year ago
Haha, really? xD
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
i love the older GE's "whoop" sound when the compressor starts.
6V92TA 2 years ago
That's on my Channel somewhere. xD
SpeakerPolice 2 years ago
i remember the sound of the 7FDL's on C30-7's and the old 251C's from alco C630's in valle de mexico looong time ago,too bad the alcos are gone and the old GE dash 7 are being sold to brazil.excelent video man brings back memories......good memories
fnm9908 2 years ago
CSX just retired all of their remaining Dash 7's. =( Some of them are going to Brazil. The ALCOs are some of the coolest engines there are =) Thanks, glad you like! I have some more FDL engines on my Channel including an idling B36-7 and starting C40-8W, if you're interested. (also an ALCo RS3 and S2 videos!)
SpeakerPolice 2 years ago
I love GE locomotives' crankin' up sounds. It sound like... like power(in 12 cylinders)
thunderstormX92 2 years ago
It is an awesome sound. It's really too bad that CSX just canned every single one of their Dash 7's... =(
SpeakerPolice 2 years ago
@SpeakerPolice too bad they're scrapping pure history. At their time those units were at peak but barely now are apreciated
thunderstormX92 2 years ago
It's like what happened to the PA's, all over again...
SpeakerPolice 2 years ago
well CSX did that cause GE does not Warnatee the Cooper-Bessimer FDL engines anymore, though GE has plenty of spares and extra parts to supply the world twice over. It is sad that CSX did what they did, them good old C30-7's and B30-7's were a wonderful locomotive, i got to operate one and man do they lug, and yes they take a bit to start too, lol but nothing a good shot of Either can't fix :) :P
phildoethedildoe 1 year ago
You mean, they don't warranty ANY FDL engines anymore?? What about the ones in the Dash 9's and AC44's? O_o
That's awesome that you've been inside the Dash 7's. I never got that opportunity.
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
Yep, for some Reason GE does not Warantee their FDL-V16 engines anymore. I personally think that GE just decided to eliminate their original Prime Mover from their repair Roster. Now GE will still produce and service their Locomotives, but they don't do much more then that now. Still GE dominates the Market so i don't see them losing out on much. They got the V 12 and the V 10 plus their Gen-Set engines so yeah.. Still it is sad that they decided to cut back.
phildoethedildoe 1 year ago
Wow, just wow. D:
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
What about the Dash 9's and AC4400CW's?
SpeakerPolice 1 year ago
The Dash-9 and AC4400CW engines are in a "Moth Ball" Warranty on parts and labor, though they do have a new Engine coming out soon to replace their FDL-V16 in most of the Dash 7,8,9, and AC series Locos. GE has and will remain the Pride of the USA. They took the lead from EMD only cause GE caught on to the AC Traction Motor and already knew what to do with it and how to utilize it for best adhesion, and tractive effort. They will still service and repair the Dash-9 and AC4400CW and AC6000CW.
phildoethedildoe 1 year ago
Love the hell out of that sound. Raw Power baby.
Vanakatherock 2 years ago
Oh Yeah! =D And thanks!
SpeakerPolice 2 years ago
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greywolf45 2 years ago
Pretty hard to be much cleaner running than that! Most large diesels give off quite a puff of black smoke on start.
timdidit 2 years ago
Psst! GE is cheating! They use a computer to monitor and adjust turbocharger boost pressure to kill the smoke. But you didn't hear it from me! XD
SpeakerPolice 2 years ago
HA - As a former GE employee, I can believe almost any sleight-of-hand stories about them! But, how do they get boost pressure to spin the turbo before the engine is running?
timdidit 2 years ago
The system actually limits the speed of the engine until the turbocharger can catch up,or so I'm told. I'm not sure exactly how it all works. XD
SpeakerPolice 2 years ago
I can help on that one. GE's Engines have an auto-Turbo system, It is supposed to spin off Compressed Air from the Tanks and rev before the engine starts. That is how the Startup of the turbo causes the "Turbo Caugh" sometimes the engine fires before the poor turbo can get any real speed to help with ignition..lol You can even get a Thumph" sound from the engine actually catching fire when the turbo engages. It is a rare but cool sound. and totally harmless.
phildoethedildoe 1 year ago
Got to love the start up of a diesel locomotive!
CSX4772 2 years ago
Oh yes. The EMD's are even better. =)
SpeakerPolice 2 years ago
well, I have to say GE's are really nice to listen to. Especially start up. I have heard EMD's start up. though my favorite EMD would be the F59phi. would be awesome to see one of those start up!
CSX4772 2 years ago
They do have that low rumble and ALCo-like sound. =) I have never seen an F59PHI, all we have here are the P42's. DX
SpeakerPolice 2 years ago
well, look up F59PHI. The best looking locomotive in my opinion. Also the best sounding
CSX4772 2 years ago
Oh, I know what an F59PHI, is, we just don't have them around here. XD
SpeakerPolice 2 years ago
Is it just me or does it seem like GE locomotives take a little more effort to start than EMD locos?
massltca 2 years ago
I believe they do, although an EMD cold start can be almost as laborious. XD
SpeakerPolice 2 years ago
Question? What is that sound heard between 1:44 and 1:46
Rztaylorjr 2 years ago
That 'WOOP!' sound? That's the air compressor kicking on.=)
SpeakerPolice 2 years ago
sry, my english iz bad. What is IDLING?
volvofunclub 2 years ago
volvo..
Minimum engine speed (running at lowest revolutions per minute)
rcpyt 2 years ago
thanx.
volvofunclub 2 years ago
Not necessarily the lowest speed, though. This video depicts a high idle, which is closer to mid-speed.
SpeakerPolice 2 years ago
I wanted to keep it basic for mr volvo.
I am aware that larger diesel engines can have several idle speeds to select from depending on operating conditions. Thanx.
rcpyt 2 years ago
Ahh, gotcha =)
SpeakerPolice 2 years ago
Patrick,
What a great video! Inside every GE is the heart of an Alco! No one would have been surprised if this thing would have belched coal black smoke as the prime mover was coming online, just to show its heritage!
Excellent audio! Looking forward to watching more of your videos.
Dave
CP359 2 years ago
Thanks so much! I agree, the GE's FDL engines are ALCo's at heart. Very similar designs and sounds! I heard that there is actually a computer program in the GEVOS that prevents them from smoking.
Soon here, if I can figure out these crappy new YouTube Channels, I will put up a video I took of me standing on the side of an idling ALCo RS3 with the access doors open. =D
SpeakerPolice 2 years ago
At 1:25 'ish, that sounded like my old Plymouth Duster trying to start! LOL Great job!
FireCaptE9 2 years ago
Turn your speakers up. The audio is AWESOME!!! 5/5* & Fav.
trainkid16 2 years ago
Thanks so much! =D
SpeakerPolice 2 years ago
You're welcome!
trainkid16 2 years ago
They actually run faster than EMD's (1100RPM in notch 8 vs. 900-1000 for an EMD), but the 4-stroke engine makes it sound slower. EMD uses a 2-stroke diesel in everything but the SD90MAC.
As a side-note, these EVO engines seem to start on 6 cylinders instead of all 12. Notice the pronounced thump-thump-thump for the first few seconds, then the sound becomes normal... well, normal for a GE.
Nice vid!
mlavender480 2 years ago