Re: Dispatches - Undercover Mosque (1 of 6)

[hardman476]

big differneces christain fundmentalist dont kill no one let alone blow them selves up

[RAGSTAluvsDA90z]

they are 2 faced people.......... things are done for the money

[samirbbk]

now we see that the media is racist i respect this guy for posting this video

[robin4good]

All the Muslims quote and quote secretly recorded are crying out to be given the chance to be interviewed so that they can clarify their points. cutting snippets of 10 second quotes is stupid. channel 4 is irresponsible, scare-mongering and biased - that is all we got from this dispatches program. the entire credibility of the channel is no more. I invite all fair minded human-beings to study Islam without bais. Thank you all.

[blackmore4]

@robin4good And I invite all "fair minded" Muslim "human beings" to study the International Bill of Rights "without bias". Until they do and, as the ONLY humanitarian consequence, denounce Sharia Law's barbaric contravening of the most basic human rights, the Muslims filmed in this program warrant no sympathy whatsoever. Channel 4's credibility stands untarnished while Islam's frankly ludicrous claims of peacefulness lie, as they always have done, in tatters.

[sepiritz]

Oh and there's plenty of thou shalt kill in the bible, particularly in the old testament. The original message is thou shalt not murder, killing is fine.

[sepiritz]

This guy acts like theres only two sides, the christian side and the muslim side, and thats why hes comparing the bad of one with the bad of the other. What about the other side? We who don't want religion anywhere in our society (keep it private). This is horrific to us.

[ukpakiigyal786]

WTF mate ur american and the programme is set in uk so there's no point of ur opinions and yh I'm Muslim and I agree that there's extremists around the world but that doesn't mean all Muslims are bad there's alot of goodness in islam but that all depends on ur thinking and reasearch and alot of statements made by the imams or sheikhs r also in other religous books so stop pin pointing 1 religion

[anobservation]

Islam is a barbaric, chauvinist, backward, blood thirsty, prejudice, hateful, intolerant & deceitful system & the unholy koran should be completely abolished & outlawed. More people on this planet have been killed by muslims than by any disease, despot or natural disaster.

Islam is a cancer that kills & there's no cure except to make it extinct.

[emperordeebo]

well said mate, it's good to see ppl opening there mind.

[TheZAmiester]

This guy is right.

I honestly believe that British pple are turning into Americans, they believe EVERYTHING they see on T.v. then start saying shit about people.

White people killed 3 million jews.

You don't see the majority of the black population hating white people ?

[jonescomplete]

Christians believe that Homosexuality is wrong, but they dont hurt anyone over it, not if they read their Bible anyways...

[simplenametag]

I mean he speaks about christian fundamentalists in the US and what goes on in the US as if it directly relates to christianity or any given situation in the UK. Americans are arrogant enough to believe that 'they are the world'.

[simplenametag]

What's wrong with this guy? Dispatches is dealing with the rise of Islamic fundamentalism, self-imposed social segregation in the UK and he's going on about christian groups in the US. Sir the USA is not the UK. You deal with your crackpots and we will deal with ours in our own way thank you very much.

[Faruk1189]

Please watch : Muslim response to: Dispatches- Lessons in hate and violence

[Expat88]

What a Dhimmi! We are doomed with idiots like these. Moral equivalence apologists.

[monymaster]

You sound like some one who is fair , but I think you have mistaken in some parts let me try clear some of the issue. You made a fallacy of logic when you appealed to culture on the issue of early merge, because it is a convention that could change from time to time and from society to another, in Holland the age on consent is 12.

[monymaster]

Regarding the killing of infidels its totally propaganda against the Muslims. God in the qurran states that while it is ok to fight those who oppressed you in your religion ,killed you, and through you out of your homes. God does not prevent you from being just, kind and friendly with those who did not oppress you.

[monymaster]

Our profit said “ whom ever harm a theme ie -jew or christen living among the muslim- I (the profit ) will be his opponent in the day of judgment that’s to say the profit will be like lawyer to the Christine.

[monymaster]

Check this critic of the qurran by Garry Miller  read the qurran you will be amazed

?v=YiwdEVBCVow

[ContaMuir17a]

There is a big difference between Christians sometimes talking about some things, and going out regularly to kill people, behead them, hang them, stone them, cut off their hands & feet, beat their wives, etc all in the name of Allah. Learn more about the real Islam, as practiced in fundamentalist Muslim countries. Or even in the USA, wanna hear Islamics threaten us? Go stand on the street corner of many cities, or just watch my Is Islam Dangerous Play List to hear it for yourself! Thanks

[supersaid23]

You are stupid and mentialy ill

[123backinyerface]

Dude you just seem to be using the Muslims tactic of diverting attention to Christian tactics. Islamic apologists are no different than Christian apologists, they will conceded anything to appear neutral and not have to make a decision that might hurt someones feelings.

[UpDownMostly]

@123backinyerface So your solution is? Line up every practicing muslim in the world and shoot them? Better yet, let's behead them, that would seem more appropriate? I don't see any offering of viable, realistic solutions from your point of view.

[123backinyerface]

@UpDownMostly That is yet another typical response from an apologist, why do you jump to the most extreme and ridiculous scenario to try and prove your point.

Read your Qur'an, and when you find yourself saying "oh but this was in a context of 1400 years ago" then tell yourself every single Muslim believes it as it was yesterday, including all those parts about smiting off heads, Jizya, and what needs to happen to bring about the end times.

You are being nothing more than a "useful idiot".

[camranhvietnam]

@UpDownMostly but do you see any christian currently in the world committing mass murders again none believers?. why is it that muslim country are the one wjo are treating anyone who are no muslims.... some of your point are good... but Generally... the fact is islam doesn't promote peace ....

[camranhvietnam]

@UpDownMostly but do you see any christian currently in the world committing mass murders again none believers?. why is it that muslim country are the one wjo are treating anyone who are not muslims.... some of your point are good... but Generally... the fact is islam doesn't promote peace ....

[camranhvietnam]

@UpDownMostly but do you see any christian currently in the world committing mass murders again none believers?. why is it that muslim country are the one who are treating anyone who are not muslims as 3rd class.... some of your point are good... but Generally... the fact is islam doesn't promote peace ....

[TdRaidX]

@UpDownMostly He talking about womens equality, ERR Christians DO SAME!!! Women are nothing that why they cannot become in higher order in christian relgion ...

UR AN IDIOT>

[nkosi19twin]

U are extremly bias aginst Islam but I understand that, you being white western christan really see a difference in religon. Your faith is just as bad and just as good as any other religon. But you keep saying " I'm not familiar with my faith doing that" well just ask any non-Christan and I sure they will have a plethera of complaints about your faith ( but of couse their grippe is illagitament becuase they are unchristan heathens)

[221Dw]

@UpDownMostly The segregation being tought in these places is far more dangerous, this kind of thing leads to civil wars and even genocide.

Islamic civilization belongs in islamic lands, not ours. Just keep it that way and there will be no problems like deaths, rapes, violence between these two groups.

[khidlo]

@UpDownMostly Y r u so racist plz don't say horrible things

[BloodElf19]

Because all of the recent terror attacks were done by Christians and their Zionist masters, right UpDownMostly? Oh, wait, nope. It was all Islam. Stop apologising and grow a pair.

[TheDriveMaster]

Qur'an 8:59 "The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.

[2010MujahidBoxing]

Some of the sutpidest comments on here, are the igronant 3rd grade mornic utube users

[lancevigorous]

If you read the koran, even a little bit of it, you will see that it is full of hatespeech for all non-believers. Islamists want to control every aspect of your life.

You don't like the way this was recorded? I don't care. I want everyone to see how these people operate. I'm not for hiding it, or being overly sensitive about the rights of anti-american people.

Christians talk about hating sin. Muslims are full of hatespeech against all non-believers.

[Axmad1430]

You are surely correct about Christians NOT having the moral highground, since the highest number of people killed by any group of people can only be claimed by Europeans and Christians

[lancevigorous]

@Axmad1430

That makes no sense. Many were killed in the 20th century, but not in the name of Christianity. Mao killed 80 million people. Was he a Christian? Was Stalin a Christian?

America stopped Hitler who was carrying out the muslim teaching of killing all jews. You need to get education and stop your bigotry and hatred. But if you're a muslim you would probably be killed for your trouble, and you're not the type who has any courage.

[ForCurrentUse]

Why are you trying to make these correlations ? they are Muslims, they are all as one, all the same. You're making correlations with individual types of separate people and groups.

You clearly seem to be another sympathetic apologetic, who looks at things for a pretentious forced hope that "everything's really going to be ok", you clearly don't need to wake up yet, but WE do.

Why do you people always compare Islam to Christianity, you should be comparing it to atheism. oh you're religious.

[ForCurrentUse]

@Axmad1430 Yes using his own mind, very interesting, so clever, well done.

I can't think what to do now, i've lost the person that controls my brain.

[77Merav]

Read the book" The Trouble With Islam" Irshad Manji . (about the The geat of Ijtihad)

[oink714]

you are just in your views.

[dobromir2102]

o everyone. I am European grad student in Canada. Moslims are posting throughout the entire University following posters "JESUS WAS A MUSLIM". They are trying to get as many as possible people into their religion. I am neither Canadian nor American, but lived in both countries. I hope people will wake up and see the danger coming out of this religion. Are all the people blind? For any non-believer, get a Koran book and read it. It's amazing some of these people apparently never opened the koran

[Axmad1430]

@dobromir2102

Jesus (peace be upon him) was a muslim. A muslim is one who submits his will to God Almighty and if you know your bible you will know that it quotes Jesus as saying many times "not as I (Jesus) will but as You (God) will" e.g. look up Matthew 26:39

[medie405]

@Axmad1430 Those who ascribe a partner to Allah (like Christians do with Jesus and the Holy Spirit) will not be forgiven. They have "invented a tremendous sin." 4:48, 4:116

Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them. 9:30

Jesus is unclean to the muslims becouse jesus theah about the trinity. Muhammed theahs in his first years of jesus, that he is a good man, but that is only becouse he want to be on good terms with the christians and convert them.

[Paneuropax]

You sir are naive to say the least and you will also be responsible if our childdren and grandchildren lose their freedom. Go live in an islamic neighbourhood.where women are treated as second class humans and jews and homosexual must fear for their lifes. Your self-rightiousness disgusts me!

[klnadal]

Actually, I think you need to worry more about the zionists taking over & running our country (they already have) than muslims.

Isn't it funny how- the harder ppl fight to discredit Islam - the faster is grows throughout the world?

I like listening to your videos - you actually use reasoning & being fair. Also you're open to dialogue. Not a quality found often dealing with this topic .

[ilanchico]

this guy is an idiot. There is a huge difference between being against homosexuality and calling for the beheading of gays. Also you can't compare saying men are the head of the household and saying its ok to kill your wife in the name of honor and marrying out your 9 year old daughter. stop comparing stop appologizing.

[LogSNES]

@ilanchico I agree 100%

[TakeMyLifeLord]

It is clearly the man of this video has never read the qoran or hadiths, When have christians said kill homosexuals? He has no Idea the teaching of ISLAM

[Lallar3n]

Do priest say that muslims and jews should be subjugated? That athists, hindus, buddhists should be exterminated like vermin? Do priest say that all gays must be stoned to death?

[ForYeGo]

This programme is from the UK, and what is preached in UK christian churches, can't be compared to what is said in US churches. This programme was made to show what was being preached in UK mosques, and what was preached, was preached by muslims, and not made up.

[gomakuu]

I am a Muslim and I appreciate your fairness and your critical analysis of the video. You have broken down the subject in a very logical and clear way. Despite our religions, we must stand for the truth and fairness. Thank you

[mike8213]

the link in ur stuff has been taken down, is the video this is a response to still online?

[UpDownMostly]

@mike8213 That's a good question I don't know. I'll have to search around. If you find them let me know, i'll put up new links.

[LIVERLADD]

In England go to any church and you will not even hear homosexuality being mentioned. Any church. Let alone the priest calling for attacks on them. So your not right about the show being biast. What a numpty

[canecreek00]

!!!!!!WHEN IN ROME DO AS THE ROMANS DO!!!!!!

if you want to push Christianity on people go do it in a christian country , if you want to push islam on people go do it in a islamic country.

[jaycrazyman]

can i just ask does the bible teach to rape and pillage palestine?

[LIVERLADD]

jaycrazyman

Whos raping and pillaging palestine?

[jaycrazyman]

i have heard there are certain passages in the bible that encourage the rape of virgin girls kill the ones that have known man and little children.

[drydust999]

You're a bit of a "useful idiot" aren't you?

[TheFactOfEvolution]

another apologist, ...

[pammyoneto]

Perhaps there are people that beleive homosexuality is an abomination to God. However...I have never heard any Christian say...Throw homosexuals from a cliff top! Also..Jehova`s witnesses do not celebrate Christmas or birthdays..No one is against them thank goodness.

God bless you x The police and Crown prosecution appologised to channel 4.Muslims do not worship the same God as Christians, they don`t beleive that Jesus is the son of God. They beleive HE is a prophet like Mohammed.

[TheDustpile]

Muslim women - Honour Killing can seriously damage your health! Band together and escape the ordained evil of Islam!

Paste title into bar: PROPHET MUHAMMAD SAYS "KILL YOUR DAUGHTERS"!

[04carrolld]

muslim extremists are gay

[kiwichriscav]

UpDownMostly:

Why have you disabled ratings?

You believe the Channel 4 program was unbalanced? Where you when the Danish Mohammed cartoon protests were going on in Britain? Did you see the hate, the invective in those good muslims? Where did they learned such hatred? When you see them use the term 'kuffar' with such hatefilled intensity, where do you think they learn that? It seems to me, judging from their own actions, the answer is from their Quran, their mosques & their mothers.

[UpDownMostly]

Ratings are disabled because I don't have much use for them. Hatred and prejudice can be found in abundance on both sides of this equation. I merely make the point that we should own our own hatred and prejudice and seek to understand and then be understood.

[mendelbot]

@UpDownMostly I agree about disabling ratings.  But I'm afraid that Islam is more effective at spreading hatred than you tube. This is not an equation. This is reality, and it does not comport with your comfortable platitudes.

[simpleJb]

also they put khalid yasin on the documentry, making him seem against women rights, but in fact he has made many lectures before the documentry was out about the rights of a women, many videos on yout ube as well which clearly show he has no such opinion. (search him)

the documentry was very wrong.

and trust me now where in islam, nowhere in the quran or hadeeth is it stated that grown men can marry a child NOWHERE!

this is false propoganda

[simpleJb]

Whosoever chooses to follow guidance, follows it for his own good; whosoever goes astray, goes astray to his own loss.

(al-Isra 17: 15)

islam dosnt preach hate, and dispatched was heavely edited, i attended one of the speaches, and the sheikh was quoting a speach of an extremist and then rebuked it. the documentry only showed the sheikh stating the quote making at out that it was his opinion, it was completely unfair. edited biasly

[kiwichriscav]

This, sir, is a complete lie. I suggest you watch the whole of the show and you will realise the simple truth: there is a lot of hate being sown at the mosques. Where else do the people who committed 911, London 7/7, Madrid, Beslan, Bali, Fort Hood, etc learn their hate? In this order: their book, their mosque, their mullahs, their homes. Islam stands collectively guilty of the most blanket self delusion and propganda that result in these crimes. We judge you by your deeds.

[29Gixxer]

Ladies & Gentleman we have a Muslim appologizer...

[abdelwareth01]

'Islamic faith is very clear on non violence and not killing as well".....what kind of moron are you?....there is tens of verses about killing ...slaying .....beheadings.

Do some reading ignorant.....

[UpDownMostly]

The bible has tens of verses about killing...slaying..beheadings.­..and other various and sundry violence. Yet I don't think all Christians are out to destroy the world.

[nigelium]

There were OLD WAYS in the Bible.

But Jesus is the NEW WAY.

In this NEW WAY, He abolished the OLD WAYS.

-No more killing people for wrongs committed against you, but forgiving them.

-No more ethnic favouring (Jews)

-No more a lot of things.

JESUS SAYS TO LOVE EVERYBODY.

Now with MoHamMAD, there was no change in era. If you don't recognize this, then it will take you dying in ignorance by one of these crazy people! They WANT to KILL U (not all, but TRUE MUSLIMS DO).

[nigelium]

"FIGHT against such of those who have been given thescripture as believenot in allah nor the Last Day & forbid not that which allah hath forbidden by his messenger and follow not the religion of truth-until they pay the tribute readily-being brought low-And the Jews say Ezra is the son of Allah' &theChristianssay-The Messiah is the Son of Allah-That is their saying with their mouths-They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old-allah fighteth against them-How perverse are they!"9:29-30

[muslimwhacker]

The next time a Christian, Jew, Scientologist or Hindu flies a plane full of people into a building full of people for the glory of their religion...you let us know...

[mh8784]

Your comment will not be valid until America reveals the evidence relating 9/11to Muslims.

And even if we suppose Muslims did it, the situation will be no different than Christians persecuting Jews in Jerusalem before Islam came through in the name of religion. Same principle! A Muslim criminal does not imply Islam is flawed.

[muslimwhacker]

"until America reveals the evidence relating 9/11to Muslims."

What "evidence" do you think they are hiding?

[mh8784]

From what I have heard, the evidence they have revealed is quite bogus, for example finding a passport of one of the suspects nearby one of the towers. They must have better evidence for conviction... but no one knows where it is.

Apparently, when Afghan government inquired about this evidence they gave it to the Pakistani government, which is a bit silly. But regardless of that, 9/11 was a shame whosoever did it. Muslims refute killing of innocent. FACT!

[MsReadIT]

b4 u call sm1 a moron..like christianity, Islam does address violence..its part of the reality of human nature..thus does demonising Islam, or trying to wipe it out mean 'killing, slaying, beheading' will also be wiped out..no, uv only got to look at the brimming UK prisons to figure that out..Islam channels violence, under regulations, but we are living in a world, where no1 is playing by the rules, wy demonise Islam..?

[MsReadIT]

Appreciated video!

[djvision20022000]

@MsReadIT yeah but these mosques aint out the way wacky radicals on this film, this is the main london mosque it would be like you going to your largest main stream church saying kill homosexuals kill adulterers, or kill the non believer, that my problem with them

[MsReadIT]

like there are many churches there are also many mosques, some speakers are more forceful than others and similarly with the holy scriptures, they have to be understood in the correct context, but whats been done is this doc, like media usually does is distorted words, religion is generally portrayed as unpopular, and this channel4 doc is just another attempt..com on, u got to admit, it was bias, u got to understand Islam to no it was..

[djvision20022000]

you dont find christians walking in to your army barracks and killin your own troops tho but look what happened a few days ago

[UpDownMostly]

There are mentally ill people in all walks of life. My consideration of Mr. Hasan is that he was mentally imbalanced (as pointed out by his many colleagues -- who did NOTHING) which manifested itself in his behavior. Actually, when I think about it, anyone with a radical view that includes killing innocents is mentally imbalanced. :)

[8MrJuppi8]

Sir, forgive my vernacular, but ROCK.ON.

your objectivity with respect to this subject, and your brilliant incorporation of LOGIC is what we need in this world.

I have the utmost respect for you and applaud your understanding.

I am not Muslim, but am a very simple man who believes that if you're a Christian, be a good Christian. If you're a Muslim, be a good Muslim.

It's just amazing to see someone with such parallel viewpoints.

amazing. abso-bloody-lutely amazing.

sir. much respect.

[UpDownMostly]

Thanks appreciate the kind words.

[precal22]

With regards too marriage, Islam says the age that both males and females are allowed to marry is the age at which they reach puberty. If you think about it, this makes more sense than picking and arbitrary age.

[eBritishIdentity]

Only idoits don't believe that this is happening on a large scale.

[sshender]

Too bad the rating is disabled, I would have relished 1-starring this Dhimmi screed.

[wakeupwhitey1]

religion....look where its got us so far how many more,my gods bigger than your god....it [preys on the week and small minded.man has never lived in peace...it wouldnt happen,man aint like that.take off your blinkers....live your life well .

[Cagaphan]

fundamentalist Christianity isn't as big in the UK as in America, and that program dealt solely with the UK.

[bahaaru]

this person talking here is a ignorant man...and a big LIER..

[Musicofthissphere]

oh and I've gone to a Catholic church for most of my life and never were there anythings said that even mildly compare to that Islamist bunk

[Musicofthissphere]

Why on earth did you do 6 videos of yourself? Your commentary is longer than the film, how totally self-aggrandizing

[UpDownMostly]

I looked at your channel, apparently you have a narrow view of the world which is fine, I'm ok with that. If you notice this is a RESPONSE video to another video which was one in a series of six. I did not respond to all six of the other persons videos.

[Musicofthissphere]

I listened to your video and appraently you have very few brain cells. My channel is based on facts, your video is a rambling deluge of nothing

[nigelium]

CHRISTIANs my friend, don't agree with HOMOSEXUALITY and know it is an ABOMINATION.

HOWEVER.

THEY (true believers) WILL NEVER SAY, "KILL GAYS"

Because Jesus says love your neighbours, love your enemies.

True Christians don't sleep with 9 year old girls like MOHAMMAD did.

Why are you turning the focus on Christians? What the hecK? The focus is on ISLAM and their evil ways.

The BIBLE does not promote their evils.

The QURAN does.

Look 4 TRUTH.

[UpDownMostly]

I have seen no evidence that Mohammad had a 9 year old wife as some claim. Islamic religion, from what I've seen in the Koran, is not "evil" -- however, I have seen men twist both Christianity and Islam to meet their own wants, desires and needs and have perpetrated "evil" acts in the name of religion.

[Musicman2U]

My apologies for the 3x repeated posts... YouTube was being hinky there.

[NahidaChowdhury]

u got caught every single time and stop with the parables...man u lack words in ur vocabulary...it's not funny anymore JESUS preached JIHAD it's in the bible that's it

[Musicman2U]

Muhammad was a blood-thirsty murderer, pedophile, and false prophet whose legacy is one of International treachery, deceit and ruin.

Jesus, on the other hand was chaste, never married, and never ever used violence to win others to his point of view.

Jesus said, "Love your enemies..."

Muhammad said, "... fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ..." (Surah 9:5)

Jesus is far superior in character.

[NahidaChowdhury]

Inshallah u'll get ur head chopped off when ur time will come and yes God said to kill pagans not our prophet(saws), the same God jesus worshipped falling on his face."love ur enemies" this is a joke cuz u show no love nor do the troops u guyz send abroad. we don't love our enemies cuz were smart enough to know that if we don't wipe them they'll take over.anywway this quote is pure hypocricy cuz no true believer would love the ones

[NahidaChowdhury]

that denies the thruth about God and so christians are hypocrites we're not hypocrites and that's why we bun your flags while u film it and are able to do nothing about it..inshallah our time is coming soon

[UpDownMostly]

You can find various passages in the bible that will speak of killing non-believers as well. I don't accept your initial premise that Muhammad (the Islamic faith by extension) is filled with blood thirsty murderers, pedophiles and false prophets who are hell bent on taking over the world.

[nigelium]

BELIEVE IT

•"Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so AND THEN HE MARRIED 'AISHA WHEN SHE WAS A GIRL OF SIX YEARS OF AGE, AND HE CONSUMMATED THAT MARRIAGE [sex] WHEN SHE WAS NINE YEARS OLD." [Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236]

Do you not see how sick this is?

I only expect you to defend this.

Why?

Ignorance my friend is bliss! Dont be INDIFFERENT because there are crazy people who follow this insanity!

WAKE UP!

[UpDownMostly]

There is no where in the Koran that I've found that speaks to this. There's a few stories out there about the early days of the life of Christ but I can't put much stock in them either because it's not in scripture.

[nigelium]

But do you dismiss that people actually follow these books of Islam?

This is taking place in ALL Islamic countries. ALL.

And this is taking place in the WEST, more and more-so.

[UpDownMostly]

No I believe there are people who use religion to justify all sorts of madness. There are christians that use the bible to justify killing an abortion doctor; there are christians that use the bible to promote a husbands right to beat their wives; i know christians who drive home the message of love and kindness yet would stone a homosexual on site. So I do believe there are many religions being used to further mans own interests and perverted desires.

[nigelium]

UpDown, you have to try 1 thing in your responses: Stop talking about Christianity. The world religions are not 1 big happy family. Islam is extremely different from Christianity.

It's Saudi Arabia human rights Vs America Human Rights.

America wins hands down.

Everything that you have mentioned about Christianity are NOT Christian. We can't kill people. Period. Jesus says to love everybody. So STOP bringing up Christians, in an ISLAMIC debate.

ISLAM is an insane entity all on its own

[UpDownMostly]

Try to keep in mind that the Islamic faith as taught by the Koran is very clear on non violence and not killing as well. It's generally people who twist religion to their own ends, their own needs and desires. Now is every Muslim going to open their heart to us --probably not, but that's not religion as much as it is mistrust cause by our own actions. Are there bad people in the world, sure. Are ALL Muslims evil, no.

[nigelium]

//Try to keep in mind that the Islamic faith as taught by the Koran is very clear on non violence and not killing as well. // U lied U simply lied to me Y? I gave U clear quotes But U respond with a lie? U either bought the world lie about Islam OR U R willingly facilitating the lie. I hope its not the latter, bcuz thats a pretty bad judgment on u. There is no such thing as a moderate muslim. A muslim who refuses to -whip their wives -kill 4 Allah Is NOT a muslim

[mh8784]

Age of consent in UK: 16yrs.

Age of consent in Netherlands: 12yrs

If you are British and you think it's "sick" to be Dutch then whose fault is it? Dutch's, or your's? And BTW how many British teenagers respect this rule??

In fact what Islam does is, it encourages people to marry when they "need to" marry rather than to "please themselves as they like and with whom they like" in a wild manner and then dump them the following day.

[djvision20022000]

@mh8784 what bullshit, there is a difference between 2 14 year olds experimenting, and a 9 year old being forced into marrage with a 50 year old

[mh8784]

Sorry I don't get what the confusion is. Is the age of consent or the difference in age?

In fact Islam solves both delicately. Rasulullah s.a.w. married Ai'sha as soon as she achieved puberty, and that signifies any age younger is impermissible. He also indirectly condemned the practice of some Christian preachers of the time who used to "abuse" girls as young as 3 or 4.

I am not suggesting that Christianity encourages paedophilia but some Christians didn't pay attention to their ruling

[mh8784]

Mate I see you spreading hatred for no good reason. If you are suggesting that Islam doesn't give women their rights then I am sorry, you haven't read the history. Before Islam people used to bury their daughters alive. They didn't have inheritance rights. Didn't have testimonial rights. Didn't have rights to marry with own choice. Islam, however, stops women from being abused via ways of "selling themselves to the society" - the hijab really is for their protection.

[mh8784]

This quote is out of context. Surah Tawbah was revealed when the disbelievers broke a major peace treaty and therefore Muslims were no longer obliged to adhere to the agreement. And this verse doesn't mean KILL EVERYONE. If you could read verse 5, please read verse 6 too.

...in my next post

[mh8784]

"And if anyone of the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allâh (the Qur'ân), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not."

See. Muslims were ORDERED to escort non-believers who wanted a safe passage - I am sure that's what Jesus (p.b.u.h.) would have also done because like Muhammad(p.b.u.h.) he was a man of righteousness

[dannyg271]

You're not getting it.

England is an extremely liberal place (Christianity has fallen by the wayside).

Islam has created a highly uniform group. It passes down uniform judgment on every part of person's life. Its more than the opposition of basic freedoms like sexuality and womens rights. Its the fact you have to pray five times a day, the woman is FORCED to cover up, etc.

American Christian fundamentalism has always been in the context of a free, democratic society.

[Musicman2U]

A woefully pathetic attempt at equivocation in an attempt to trivialize the naked truth revealed by the exposé.

Christians do NOT advocate the killing of anyone for the sin of being homosexuality.

Christians do NOT advocate the over-throw of any host Government where they are guests.

There simply is NO equivocation between radical Muslims, and Christianity.

[NahidaChowdhury]

hey musicman2u u said "Christians do NOT advocate the killing of anyone for the sin of being homosexuality." u try to insult islam but u dug a hole for urself read the following:

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them" so u guyz also encourage to kill gays...go get ur facts straight

[Musicman2U]

Hey Nahida: You are quoting from the OLD TESTAMENT. And if I were a Jew, living in Israel during the 2nd Millenium BC; you'd have point. But since I am a NEW TESTAMENT Christian, living under the Covenant of Grace and not Law; you are fatally flawed in your conclusions.

Christ never taught His followers to use VIOLENCE in order to achieve obedience to the Law. Instead we are to warn every man of a coming day when such crimes will be judged, once for all; and HE will be that Judge.

Jesus Rules.

[NahidaChowdhury]

fine I got one from the NEW TESTAMENT

Luke 19:27...

"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."

so u dug a bigger hole for urself...u christians don't even know ur own BIBLE...Jesus(peace be upon him) preached Jihad

[Musicman2U]

Foolish Muslim, even a child reading Luke 19 readily knows Jesus was speaking a PARABLE to them, about the punishment of the wicked at his future RETURN not in the here & now!

Had Jesus intended His disciples to use violence in answer to opposition, he would not have rebuked Peter for his use of a sword.

Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. (Mat 26:52)

The sword of Allah cuts you off from Heaven.

[Musicman2U]

Foolish Muslim, even a child reading Luke 19 readily knows Jesus was speaking a PARABLE to them, about the punishment of the wicked at his future RETURN not in the here & now!

Had Jesus intended His disciples to use violence in answer to opposition, he would not have rebuked Peter for his use of a sword.

Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. (Mat 26:52)

The sword of Allah cuts you off from Heaven.

[NahidaChowdhury]

so it's still in ur bible relating to violence...ha ha ha u can't even handle the truth..."If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."

(22:36) ....another one....man I feel sorry for u guyz

[doxielady24]

Very interesting topic.  Thanks for sharing.

[obaidkarki]

UpDownMostly

"I [Jesus] have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble [tribulation]. But take heart! I have overcome the world."1

[craigowler]

Our politically correct laws and think tanks sat back for several years allowing the Islamic extremists to propagate their hatred towards anything/everything "Western" If I or any other non-moslem Brit spouteed out the same verbal garbage against Islamic culture we would have had our collars felt by the police and dealt with appropriately in the courts - receiving serious jail time punishment.

[UpDownMostly]

I put the link the description for the six part video series.

[jimmyboy3301972]

omg not agin your on it agin did you leave for this reason omg stop talking about pedos i mean we all can say that we hate pedos but omg SHUT UP about it allready

[UpDownMostly]

You might want to pay attention to the subject of the video before commenting. This video is about Muslim teachings in mosques in England.

[28October1961]

A recent reply to a muslim:

I think 'Free' speech is sacrificed in the West for a 'Free' Society. The way people are dressed and attitudes against one another or respect of things.

Truly anarchy is not far away here because there is no right code of conduct, the Police are very busy.

I do not think Jesus is respected apart from Christmas which as you can imagine is very pagan, in fact truly Jesus as a name used in the year is frowned upon and is a dirty no go word.

Duncan

[UpDownMostly]

Yes too true Duncan, perhaps religions of any kind are not to be tolerated. I believe there's some mention of this in John's final book in the bible. :) Might be time, who knows?

[28October1961]

I like Saint John, the Revalations is very interesting too, yes.