This guy is full of shit. Ron Wyatt swindelled many people out of thousands of dollars so hm and his 'girlfriend' could go sightseeing in Israel at thier expense. You faking fraudsters and your followers are only driving more and more people against your fake church lies
In general, I am skeptical of most claims, but I studied Ron Wyatt research and claims and have found them to be accurate and sincere. Yahweh God Almighty really did have a special relationship with his servant Mr. Wyatt.
@cosmo1pug - You shouldn't be upset because the documentation is all provided and he is one of many eyewitnesses. you're an outsider who evidently does little research.
@DebateRobo ... Your young so I'll forgive you. I shack my head to think how many people can't understand reality. I never thought I was special untill I started to realize 90 percent of humans believe this crap. They believe everything authority tells them. It is still very strange to me how people will simply close their eyes to the fact all priests and thiest are lying to them. I am currenty trying to make money by lying to your type. I see god prove to me I don't.
@DebateRobo ... Your young so I'll forgive you. I shake my head to think how many people can't understand reality. I never thought I was special untill I started to realize 90 percent of humans believe this crap. They believe everything authority tells them. It is still very strange to me how people will simply close their eyes to the fact all priests and thiest are lying to them. I am currenty trying to make money by lying to your type. I see god prove to me I don't.
In the last days will come mockers and scoffers saying "where is your messiah now" thats all I have to say,,,if you can t look at jabal al laws and see that its mt sinai youre just denying GOD on purpose to delude your own wicked heard
@Toudiyama Ron Wyatt isnt the first person to find sodom and gommorah, jabal el laws, the ark etc,,,the people who live in these areas have known for centuries,,,Jabel al laws is called mountain of musa by saudis,,,in other words mountain of moses, Ron just followed the maps in the bible ,,,it really didnt take a rocket scientist other americans had found jabal al laws as well,,,,so what are you talking ab? golgotha has also been well known forever
Idiots taking advantage of people's willingness to believe in some higher power. It's scary to think that we only get one go around at life and that's it. I can see the appeal of wanting to believe in some higher power.
@JVPL213 what is your higher power? yourself? Money? Women? Drugs? Alcohol? Your Pride? you are right we as people do have an appeal to belive in a higher power. The question i ask you which higher power appeals to you that you worship? All people are created worhipping creatures. Sociology and Anthropology bears this evidence.
You may not need a Phd. to be a mystic. But, you DO need one to be the project director for an archaeological mission, because the latter is a science, and requires a huge amount of experience and knowledge of archaeological theory and practical methodology to not, quite frankly, balls it up. Archaeology is not about running around with spades digging up definitive finds that "prove" a historical point all by themselves. TBQH Wyatt really would fail Archaeology 101.
@Krys1304 - and yet he didn't need to waste his time sitting in a air-conditioned room listening to some academic who's never broken a sweat, let alone gotten dirty "running around with spades digging up definitive finds that PROVE a historical point." Careful the Lord warns in 2Timothy 3:7 - the fools are "ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." God uses whomever He wishes - degreed or not - usually NOT as they're less prideful and conceited.
It's difficult to fathom how people can allow their minds to be so completely overtaken by mysticism. This guy Lembke seem like a reasonably intelligent guy, but every thought he tries to articulate is stunted by supernatural supposition. The head of a hardcore Christian must be a difficult place to live... sort of like an asylum.
I guess it's just the nature of the beast, but it would be great if humanity could someday overcome its tendency toward magical thinking.
@sincristo actually this magical thinking is multiplying exponentially, as non christians commune with fallen spirits. THrough various forms of the occult.
more interesting is that thutmoses 1 and the approximate time of exodus are within the same time period. which adds even more evidence that the story is true. the hebrew name is moshe btw, and in egyptian it varies in the way its spelled. But its obvious that Moses was named the way he was because of the egyptian naming convention of the time.
I met Ron Wyatt twice. The first time was in London in 1997 as a skeptic. The second was also in London in 1998 but as one convinced he discoveries were real.
I dont realy care what people say about him. Some people have an axe to grind because he wasn't a "bonafide" arceologist and backed by a major university. I think it says somewhere in the Bible God choses the simple to confound the wise. I will tell you now. Ron was the most sincere, honest , humble person i ever did meet.
Ron Wyatt never even had an archeology permit. If you like to do 'research' maybe you should do some of it yourself. Oh, and if what he says is true, and we'll all go to heaven if Jesus' blood is 'shown to the world': why hide it? That type of logic doesn't seem to fit. If this was a murder case, it'd be dismissed because of a lack of evidence.
The word of God is our only safety, the only thing in our world that we can rely on. Everything that contradicts it, we may be sure, proceeds from Satan. Ron Wyatt claims he saw not only 4 angels, but Christ Himself in the cave. He very possibly saw a supernatural being but it was not Christ. The word of God says, "Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not." Matthew 24:26.
@aeroflying It has been pointed out to me that I am wrong about Wyatt claiming to have seen Christ IN A CAVE. But I still do not believe his claim re the Ark of the Covenant. Ellen White says that at the cross, God's presence has left the earthly Mercy Seat forever. Therefore, Christ's blood would not have been flowing down to anoint what His Father had forsaken forever. At the cross the literal Mercy Seat was out of the picture forever, irrelevant. Only the Mercy Seat in heaven had meaning.
In his book exposing Ron Wyatt's self-deceptions, Russell Standish referred to these specific claims as Satan's "infernal subtlety" against God's people. He wrote, with "..absolutely baseless assertions of Ron Wyatt, he has beguiled us," and counsels, "Dear Brothers and Sisters, please,...let not these utterly unsafe claims take our crowns from us."
What a humble and sincere man, hoki atu ki to tatau matua Ron, aroha nui i o tatau whanau, aroha io tatau Matua TE ATUA NUI I To Tatau IHU KARAITI Me TONA WAIRUA TAPU. Amene
To put it simply the exodus was a cosmic myth. The whole story was part of the Passover story used to explain the rituals surrounding the vernal equinox.
The Canaanite language shows no sudden influx of Egyptian words at any one time. This is something one would expect had there been an Exodus, plus there would be a change in customs. This simply did not occur
@shakelikenumber8 like you I think I could have said that at one time, however, I thought he was lying on a matter. Then I talked to one of the board of directors of Wyatt's Research organization and I changed my mind. The BOD let me listen to an audio tape. As it turned out Ron was telling the truth, and the guy on the phone, that he was talking to, was not. So that's why Ron's credibility is strong with me. He documents his stuff well, and his critics do not.
@VortexDelta: So you went to a snake oil vendor and you changed your mind about medical science. Ron Wyatt`s discoveries are plain fraud, and as a former law enforcement officer digging up fraud is in my blood.
@lizazoon - There are several videos of law enforcement officers planting drugs on people and having them arrested. Most law enforcement people aren't like that, however, there are some. Actually I went to several of the Bible archeology sites, so stating that I'm taking people at their word is disputable. Also I have talked to people who have worked with Wyatt. Most critics of Wyatt have merely read a web page and didn't bother to check out any claims.
@VortexDelta It was time for his people to know about it, Rabbi Wolpe decided. After a century of excavations trying to prove the ancient accounts true, archeologists say there is no conclusive evidence that the Israelites were ever in Egypt, were ever enslaved, ever wandered in the Sinai wilderness for 40 years or ever conquered the land of Canaan under Joshua's leadership. To the contrary, the prevailing view is that most of Joshua's fabled military campaigns never occurred
@lizazoon - actually near the Mt Sinai site was found an inscription including a Jewish menorrah inscribed on a rock. Really impressive. A Korean doctor found it.
@VortexDelta : Well sir, now you gave me definit proof that those people are lying. The Menorah came in use many centuries later as the supposed flood. If they found an inscription of a Menorah they have put it there.
@lizazoon : CORRECTION- Read after the supposed exodus happened-- The Menorah first appeared in Jewish history after the building of the first temple.
@VortexDelta: Strictly speaking, there has never been any clear evidence discovered in Egypt, or elsewhere, to support the Israelite Exodus from Egypt, though there is no small amount of conjecture and theories. In fact, today it is fashionable, among Egyptologists, archaeologists and even some Jewish scholars to doubt the whole biblical story. Jimmy Dunn
@lizazoon Imhotep = Joseph. Thutmoses II = Moses. Hatshepsut = Pharoah's daughter. Thutmoses III = Pharoah of the exodus. What happened to his wife. She wrote a letter, on record, to the Hittites, their enemies, asking for a husband because there was nobody but slaves for her to marry in her kingdom. This sounds extremely strange, because when it history has any kingdom lacked royalty or soldier or priests? What happened to all these people? They died in the Red Sea.
@lizazoon - well, I thought that way too, so I took a metal detector to the site in 07 and confirmed a pattern of iron. I have new respect for the man. According to Tentmaker, a cult and website, there is no pattern of iron. You can't believe anything on the web. The pattern is just one of several facts I found there, all confirming Wyatt's claim. A trip to the Ark is highly recommended. Don't take my word for it.
@lizazoon Not taking any sides, just putting forward a known habit of the ancient Egyptians:
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Often in Egypt's history Pharaoh would strike names or events from the historical record. In some cases we can find evidence of these revisions on the hieroglyphs and statues to this day.
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This seems to make it possible that the entire event to have been erased ( and any supporting evidence to be destroyed ).
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Of course, I'm no expert in the field, just thought I could add a little something useful.
@lizazoon - When the baby was taken from the edge of the water, Pharaoh's daughter named him Moses. In other words she named him pharaoh. The pharaohs during the Eighteenth dynasty were called the Thutmoses. Hence the baby took the name of the Moses. There were three four Thutmoses. I, II, III and IV. Hatshepsut was the pharaoh's daughter, and was of the Thutmoses and a time in Egyptian history where Pharaoh did not have a son and a lady took prominence.
@VortexDelta The baby was never taken from the water. A similar story exist in several older cultures. Moses is total fiction , unless evidence is provided. What you are saying is just of the multiple hypothesis. None is proven
@lizazoon - let's just say that your claim that a baby is taken from water is part of the culture, before Moses came along. This all the more makes Moses history more credible. Moses' real mother obviously would have played up to this story and deliberately had her daughter plant Moses by the water so that Pharoah's daughter would instantly recognize Moses as the new ThutMOSES.
@VortexDelta : This story of a baby found in a basket becoming a king, is part of a few ancient cultures. In fact there is proof that the story is copied from an older cultures, by the way the basket was made waterproof. Look it up.
@lizazoon <------------ Evil Satanic Nazi Shill, who's homepage friend's list is swimming in Satanic symbolism, and has the gall to post absurd wicked condescending comments when it is blatantly obvious he worships Satan and is promoting the Satanic Agenda.
@Toudiyama <---------------- Evil Godforsaken illiterate Satanic Nazi Shill who champions the Satanic Agenda. His homepage friends list is swimming in Satanic symbolism, interlinked to other Satanic genocidal Nazis who are posing as humans.
Here is what a reliable christian website has to say about the many claims of Ron Wyatt . He is the one behind the chariot wheels in the Red sea.--Are the claims true? If they are, such a staggeringly impressive list would mean that Ron Wyatt had been almost as miraculously assisted by God as the patriarch Moses
Here is what a reliable christian website has to say about the many claims of Ron Wyatt . He is the one behind the chariot wheels in the Red sea.--Are the claims true? If they are, such a staggeringly impressive list would mean that Ron Wyatt had been almost as miraculously assisted by God as the patriarch Moses
@lizazoon - I check out all the websites that were critical of Ron, and asked these - to make changes. For instance, the pattern of iron, I found to be verified. Numerous witnesses have seen the chariot wheels, Archeology Bible Review said that Wyatt's Sinai find is the best candidate for Mt Sinai, and an archeology said that Wyatt's Noah's Ark find was authentic.
@VortexDelta: --and an archeology said that Wyatt's Noah's Ark find was authentic--
WHO ???
Sir, it is impossible to find what never existed. It is imposssible to find what is and was impossible to build. Any kindergarten kid can tell you this is a fairy tale. The BAS as far as I know does not support any of Wyatts findings. Believe what you want but the scientific world and any person with a grain of common sense, is laughing .
@lizazoon - that archeologist is Ekrem Akurgal. Also, scientist, Lennart Moller, a scientist who is in charge of a team of scientists, in Sweden, wrote a book in support of Mt Sinai and the crossing site. He was doing radar surveys at the crossing site. Akurgal is an award winning scientist with many honorary degrees. The editor of Bible Archeology Review, went on record as saying that Jebel al Lawz is the best candidate for Mt Sinai.
Moller is an Prof. of Environmental medecine and i fail to see his expertise in archaeology. As for Ekrem Akurgal. I searched and have not found any reference to him having done archaeological research in the Sinai. He made some declaration about the ark but has not provided any evidence for it.
@lizazoon - Moller, who is in charge of a TEAM of scientist knows the scientific language and can read technical journals and understand them. Determining depth and grade of the Red Sea crossing site, testing human and animal remains, and determining kind, is work that he CAN DO as a scientist. You can do it too. But his being a scientist and his being out spoken about it, shows that he's willing to put his name on it. Akurgal is an award winning scientist with numerous honorary degrees.
@lizazoon - Moller wrote: "my earlier university studeis in chemistry, biology, limnology, and toxicology, as well as ecology and marine biology at the universities of Uppsala and Stockholm, have been of great help; as has the analytical laboratory research which is my profession....Where y own knowledge has been insufficient I have mad use of a NETWORK of individuals of SPECIALIST qualifications."
@VortexDelta I checked out statements from people, Wyatt worked with and who categorically deny wyatts findings. E.G. The radar specialist Fenner investigating the site of the Ark. My dear Vortex. This is all fake. I am not going to spend more ttime trying to convince you. You must certainly be familiar with those statements. You hang on these fake findings, most probably because you think your faith requires it.
@lizazoon - as a matter of fact i already looked into Fenner. I was skeptical of Wyatt's beliefs as well. Fenner is on record, on video, as saying that he's afraid of losing his job - as seen with a bunch of holy mollies. And he is also on record, on video as confirming the magnetometer readings and the radar. He also acknowledges the radar scans. He said that the radar may have been tampered with to get those readings. However, GSSI wrote a letter telling me that the radar can't be faked.
@VortexDelta: Well sir you must have read totally different statement from Fenner. That`s all I can say.
But remember I DO NOT NEED any expert opinion, Nor do I need any collaborators of Wyatt statements that Wyatt is a lie. All i Need is COMMON SENSE. How did he get two kangooroos onboard ? By plane ? How did he get them back to Australie ? Did they hop back there ?
@lizazoon - well, the facts at the Ark site are not subject to your question, nor can be. They are fact. I was there and you CAN be there. Since coal fields and petroleum fields prove a universal flood, thus proving the authenticity of the Bible, knowing that the Bible claims that God brought the animals to the Ark is not a complicated thing. As to how the kangaroos got to Australia, that's simple. Evidence shows that much of the ocean waters hadn't drained.... (see part two)
Part two.... since much of the ocean water was still trapped in large areas of the continents, being inland seas, this exposed shallow land area that connects to Australia. You can see these areas in maps that expose the bottoms of the oceans. Apparently, the ocean level used to be lower in the past, as you can detect from these maps. Any more questions?
Not even bible colleges teach the flood:This is the teaching of amillenial covenant theology which is based on an allegorical interpretation of Scripture as opposed to a literal one This is the dominant teaching in most theological seminaries and has been for decades. As an example, there are 106 schools in the Christian College Coalition. Of those 106 only 5 teach a literal interpretation of the Genesis account of creation or that the flood was global
@lizazoon - I haven't validated what you have said, however, the modern creationist, literal Bible movement was started by scientists with legitimate degrees, from Berkeley to Yale. Seminaries aren't led by scientists, and since the modern creationist movement is still relatively young, I figure there would be a lag between leftovers from the evolution faith belief period.
@VortexDelta It was time for his people to know about it, Rabbi Wolpe decided. After a century of excavations trying to prove the ancient accounts true, archeologists say there is no conclusive evidence that the Israelites were ever in Egypt, were ever enslaved, ever wandered in the Sinai wilderness for 40 years or ever conquered the land of Canaan under Joshua's leadership. To the contrary, the prevailing view is that most of Joshua's fabled military campaigns never occurred
@VortexDelta:-- Since coal fields and petroleum fields prove a universal flood-- This is pure nonsense
--.knowing that the Bible claims that God brought the animals to the Ark is not a complicated thing--
So it`s a MIRACLE again. There is no reasonable discussion possible, because anything you can`t explain will be a MIRACLE. Sorry this is too stupid. Good day.
VortexDelta --. Evidence shows that much of the ocean waters hadn't drained...--
What evidence ?
Where did this enormous amount of water drain to ? Remember the ark supposedly landed 4.000 meters up mount Ararat. It was of course a miracle again. No other explanation.
@lizazoon I think we all have to r emember that the biblical people may have thought the entire world flooded because to them it was the whole world but the truth is it was probably just the middle east. People take the Bible too literally,,,its like saying the earth is 6000 yrs old that is crazy ,,,Im a christian but I take into account that the Bible is the history of one group of people
Ron Wyatts discoveries are lies. Here is what a reliable christian website has to say about it---Are the claims true? If they are, such a staggeringly impressive list would mean that Ron Wyatt had been almost as miraculously assisted by God as the patriarch Moses---
Ron Wyatt claimed to have found Noah's ark, the Biblical Ark of the Covenant, the location of Sodom And Gomorrah, the Tower of Babel, the true site of Mt. Sinai, the true site of the crucifixion of Jesus, AND the original stones of the Ten Commandments (Whew! He finds whatever he looks for!). He also found a bunch of "chariot wheels" in the Red Sea, which he claimed proved the Biblical account of the Exodus from Egypt. Alas, the "wheels" turned out to be coral formations. Fail.
:Ron Wyatt claimed to have found Noah's ark, the Biblical Ark of the Covenant, the location of Sodom And Gomorrah, the Tower of Babel, the true site of Mt. Sinai, the true site of the crucifixion of Jesus, AND the original stones of the Ten Commandments (Whew! He finds whatever he looks for!). He also found a bunch of "chariot wheels" in the Red Sea, which he claimed proved the Biblical account of the Exodus from Egypt. Alas, the "wheels" turned out to be coral formations
After hearing him (Ron) speak, and what he says he has seen... (And my personal time spending years studying the scriptures and Christ) it all makes perfect sense. I personally believe what he has claims.. is true. Until I am shown clearly otherwise, I will take my stand with him.
On Passover last Sunday, Rabbi David Wolpe raised that provocative question before 2,200 faithful at Sinai Temple in Westwood. He minced no words. "The truth is that virtually every modern archeologist who has investigated the story of the Exodus, with very few exceptions, agrees that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way it happened, if it happened at all," Wolpe told his congregants
YOU do not NEED a 3 dimensional substance to believe there was a man named Jesus OK? He LIVES in your heart. STOP trying to SEARCH for someone or something who CLEARLY was NOT OF this world. STOP following a MAN named Ron Wyatt and FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST! STOP "searching" for something that IS NOT here anymore. Christ came for a LITTLE while. Jesus told satan, what am I going to get out of your deal to gain the world if I am going to lose my soul? What is YOUR "GAIN" by following Ron Wyatt!?
Queenyinthehouse. Your last comment confirms your attitude of heart. Our Lord forgave those who crucified him yet you would condemn a man for far less? Instead of saying what God would or would not do get to know him and the message of the precious Blood of his Son Jesus Christ.
OMG, I don't know who died and made you the condemner of me, OR who you are to be "confirming" ANYTHING. I get my RIGHT to call out a LIAR from my Father and those who will follow along with this GARBAGE WILL answer for their stupidities in being deceived, for it is UP to you to decide whether to be deceived or not. Follow Jesus Christ, NOT some liar who blatantly sold his soul to the bophomat. THAT is OBVIOUS.
Accept the Lord as your personal saviour. Jesus spoke with respect to the sinner dying with him. Only He can help us loose a heart of stone and give us a heart of flesh. Plead His Blood to forgive our sin, as did the sinner on the cross confessing he was getting what he deserved to the other sinner then asked for Jesus to remember him when he went to his kingdom. He did not come to condemn the world but that the world through Him may be saved.
Well, from one sinner to another Honey... Thanks for that. Again, MY relationship with my Father is between me and Him ok? People DO need to follow Jesus NOT a man who put on a show for the public to MISLEAD. We were WARNED against that BY the Father, or did you not get that message? Pride Vs. CONFIDENCE ..... It's a HUGE difference. Learn it.
If you're going to say that Ron Wyatt is a liar, be sure you're telling the truth. I can tell you that he is NOT a liar. And if he is a liar please tell me how you know. I have checked out all the criticism in regard to Ron Wyatt and I found those people to be liars. OK? End of story. And if you really want to get into the details tell me what they are and I will refute them.
Ron Wyatt was nothing but a liar and a deceiver and DEFINITELY a quack! The WORST thing people like him is MISLEAD everyone. "Trustworthy" is NOT a good description of this liar. More like "master deceiver". God would NEVER "talk" to ANYONE because NO ONE get's to God BUT THROUGH Jesus Christ. This guy Wyatt can burn in hell for his lies.
@Queenyinthehouse - OK. Check this out. I had some questions about Ron Wyatt after reading some internet pages just like you have done, and I doubted his integrity. So instead of going online and stating that he is a liar, I went to the Red Sea (Ron Wyatt checked out just fine), talked to one of his sons, his board of director members, and some others. It turns out that he was telling the truth. Ron Wyatt was an honest man who lived in an apartment.
HOW could the blood of Christ be found in the Ark? Jesus had NOTHING to do with the Ark. MOSES had something to do with it NOT Jesus. Jesus came along MANY years later in the New Testament. The Ark was in the OLD Testament. God DID NOT speak to ANYONE because NO ONE gets to God BUT THROUGH JESUS! This man was a COMPLETE LIAR. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE for Jesus's BLOOD to be ANYWHERE near the Ark? People need to USE THIER COMMON SENSE. I hear more and more bull EVERY DAY. This is RIDICULOUS.
@ 0.50 in his famous "blood" video, your boy Ron Wyatt holds up the sign of the Baphomat. (THE GOAT).You think THAT is by accident? People REALLY need some help. Leviticus 16:12-17 KJV talks about a GOAT (NOT a "lamb) GOATS blood was sprinkled on the Mercy Seat, and he had led people to worshipping GOAT'S blood. You should NOT be promoting someone who MADE UP a LIE!
@lizazoon - Yea, I read statements like that on the internet, so i personally had to look at the evidence, knowing the requirements of law, research, and investigation. Apparently Wyatt's opponents have been shown to be questionable. One critic accused him of not being a Korean war Vet. yet, I the color guard was at his funeral. Even in death Wyatt debunks his opponents.
@crhood- your like the fools in the time of christ that asked him to do tricks and miracles so you could have your proof, and he never answered them, because he saw they to be fools. So if ron wyatt says he had jesus blood, and for reasons from God, he was not to give it out, then i guess thats where you leave it. Your beef is with him. but again, if you need proof than you are of little faith, and no one of true faith has any use for you.What if you never get your proof? you wont see past it?
My "beef" is with any moron who abandons logic and facts because it's easier to blindly accept someone's word no matter how irrational or impossible it might be. Wyatt is the one saying "Hey, I've got proof!" yet time and again, he refuses to let anyone see it. Hmmm.... And, no, I'll never get my proof of God, just like you won't. You don't have any choice but to rely on faith. If I chose to believe in Santa Claus, that's going to come down to "faith", too.
The reason no scholars are giving him credit, is because luciferic groups are running a conspiracy to bring doubt to the world about the truth,and the belief in God. Its too obvious these days as the day of the beast approaches. know the date of his return, its vital to avoid the coming deception.
See "daniels timeline" it will be the most profound truth in the bible that you can ever acknowledge and can never refute. PEACE & BLESS YOU.
Is the Lord the one telling Wyatt not to show the Ark of this "blood of Jesus" to the scientific community for verification? People are morons to believe this guy.
I wouldn't need proof it was scientific, I'd know it was either the result of medical science or other natural processes. I wouldn't assume it was God any more than I would Santa Claus. These Wyatt cases aren't even close. He claims to have ALL this proof, yet won't present ANY of it for peer review. I can claim to be 500 years old, but if I refuse to let anyone try to confirm it, you'd call me full of shit...and rightfully so. The ONLY difference with Wyatt is that you WANT to believe him.
you're probably right ----just got some new info on the wyatt guy---seems like he keeps throwing up the satanic hand sign. so not sure if he can in fact be trusted
Wyatt is the one offering up the signs and miracles, but when someone asks to back his claims....he mysteriously can't accommodate. If God has given him all this "proof", why is Wyatt unwilling to put it up for peer review? Even you know the answer to that...
well, from what i know, his site of noahs ark is the ONLY site that shows,ribbing,metal rivets, and actual precise cubit measurement ,& probable location of the ark.-His site,before anyone else, for jebel el lauz being the ten commandments place. the ONLY one having tombs of miriams midian parents,burnt mountain top,and 12 seperate wells,and alter. and if you understand that moses was the archetype for jesus,his blood would have to be sprinkled on the mercy seat. who else revealed that?
I can't put it more simply than this: Wyatt claims he has blood that could have only come from Jesus as there are no Y chromosomes present, yet he refuses to let any scientists sample or evaluate it themselves. That means he's lying. Or would you believe me if I said "God has given me the power to heal any ailment, but I don't feel like showing anyone!"? Come on!
hey, i'm not defending any of those claims, i'm backing what i said originally that the archeology world of scholars dont give him credit for anything.Its not for me to know those things, doubt them, or have anyway of knowing. what i know is that MOST of his sites for biblical locations are logical and closer to what makes sense, most of the time having several facts and land markers,match the bibles description. But again,christs blood HAD to be on that arks alter,as the lamb.THIS I BELIEVE.
Well, suppose he did. what would they do with it? they would discredit it, they would want to pass it around like a bottle of rum to every skeptical institution which we know are run by darwinistic evolution eugenicists. then they would loose or destroy it. and most likely end up trying to clone yeshua for their own demonic reasons.And also if he did, you dont think it WOULD be gaurded by an entity where it was found, as he said? i say this question is for you to think on,ask yourself,not me.
Typical mind-numbing, completely illogical response. You can't "discredit" scientific fact and human blood without male chromosomal contributions would be hard evidence. By the way, I have Jesus' remains in an old coffin in my basement. No, of course I'm not going to show you or let anyone see it...just take my word for it! Why not? "Proof" obviously doesn't mean anything to you.
no, you just miss the point. I dont need proof of God or christ. i dont need to validate what some guys claims are. thats your argument. get it straight. i'm not looking for that kind of proof you are. so you dont like ron wyatt or believe that specific claim, so move on already. And if you read back, your the one that keeps coming back to one point, get therapy man. Science has never been out to prove God, its always proven itself to people like you that dont believe from the start.
How do you get to a point where you can completely abandon logical thinking? If I tell you I'm God, you just "chose" whether or not you want to believe that regardless of logic, common sense and/or facts?
hey, your getting on my nerves. you dont know anything about my facts,logic or common sense.Because i didnt give you any of my sources. if you want education, go get it. i'm not your teacher, nor am i here to prop up your constant babble about one point. I'm like the guy in the vid. good people work and do things for good. i dont believe ron wyatt to have done anything outside of that. so just because of a claim, that i cant validate, what the fuck do you want from me?
who is Eric Lembke? How did he know Ron Wyatt. I think Ron Wyatt was a remarkable man. Didn't know him, but boy, God sure seemed to have used him to the fullest.
I challenge you to show 1 piece of evidence for macro evolution that has been verified. There is none! Evolutionists say that microevolution is evidence for macroevolution, but it has never been observed. There no doubt is variations of a KIND, but it NEVER goes beyond that! You saying that you don't have "time to waste" just verifies that you are willingly ignorant to the facts and to what is actually going on in this debate. If you want to see how scientific the bible really is just ask me!
What exactly do you need evidence on? Maybe I can help. I am not an on site researcher but do have 10 years experience in creation/evolution discussions. A tragic mistake allot of people make is by making these "ad hominen" arguments. A PhD or degree means nothing if it is an education that was given by secular institutions that don't allow free thought and possibilities of the unknown to factor in. Modern secular science can't give all the answers it claims to.
dude, i agree. i've been explaining that over and over, but the brainwashing is thick these days. huxley was an uneducated opportunist just waiting for someone like darwin to exploit to try to bring denial of God to the world.
This debate will never have its end until "the end"! Allot of ppl already have their minds made up & seems like wasted words sometimes. It comes down to perseverance on our part & to not lose momentum. It can be easier to discuss from different angles, meaning to start with logical arguments of Gods existence and then work through to biblical, historical & prophetic accuracies. It can also be useful to simply suggest books, videos, and other relevant materials to aid in finding this truth.
I believe Ron Wyatt is ligit. There's plenty of proof. The Ark of the Covenant is the only thing that is questionable on proof. But if you look at his character and all the other findings, you just know. From their fruits you will know them.
To be honest, I sense that you are distrusting of everyone and anything that has to do with Ron Wyatt. For that reason I feel that I cannot give you any evidence that will lead you to feel other than what you think right now. And it would be probably too expensive for you to travel to Turkey, the Red Sea and elsewhere and for you to purchase a metal detector. All I can say is that like you I had to go beyond and look at the facts first hand. That my friend, I cannot give you.
I think a lot of us had those thoughts at one time. I thought the Noah's Ark site was a fraud. So in fairness we went and checked out those sites, and I interviewed others who have gone to those sites, and as much as I have to regret this, I was wrong about Ron Wyatt. Wyatt spoke the truth. I have good faith that you will do the same given all the evidence.
Just because a man dose'nt have a PHD He can use him ?lol...NOBODY in the Bible had a "PHD"...the PHD crowd is the unlikely characters!I hope Ron wyatt told the truth for all liars will be in HELL REV. 21:8.
When Jesus died yes the curtain ripped, this was to symbalise the end of the sacrificial system that no longer would man feel the need to go through an earthly mediator as this would be fulfilled by Christs blood. The Ark at that time was beneath the cross and how amazing that it is revealed the importance of Gods Ark with the ten Commandments and how Jesus blood had to touch it for our sins to be removed.
Nope , I'm making a simple joke , the Ark is in the hands of the Jews , let's put Ron Wyatt aside , wht they didn't show it yet to the public ? isn't that a hypocricy ?
I think you misunderstand, noone has the Ark it's in Gods hands, he will reveal it as and when he is ready. People have died at that site since trying to get the Ark, you cannot get near it unless god lets you.
In His death on the cross Christ broke the wall that seperate the Ark from His people,& since that moment everyone can approach God through Christ & without exceptions,no more barriers & walls in approaching God,no more forbiddens & privileges that some people might have to approach God,through Christ God belong to everyon: An old covenant was abolished & a new one was established & it's the body & blood of Christ,& the new Ark was Mary His Mother that Jesus was seated in Her womb for 9 months.
It was the law of Moses that was nailed to the cross all 603 of them, these were the laws and ordinances that the Jews were held in bondage by and through Jesus blood he set them free. The Jews were an example to the world, if you love God and obey him he will forgive you through grace. When Jesus died this went out to the world, love God and have faith in Jesus and you will live, by loving him means you'll obey his commandments and when you fail Jesus will pick you up and strengthen you.
Ron Wyatt discovered the Ark inside a small cave under Golgotha's small hill and right under the hole where the cross was planted , and on the seat of mercy that is placed on the Ark , Ron found the living blood of Christ , it's a message from God to our times , as was and still the holy shroud of Turin .
Does this mean that we don't follow Gods commandments anymore? Absolutely not, as without these there is no sin, man could do anything with impunity and there would be no repurcussions. What is sin? It is the transgression of Gods law, the only way to be forgiven for this is through faith in the forgiveness of Jesus. If you think Gods law is no more then i guess the Bible is lying and ultimately God is a liar?? This is why the Ark of the COVENANT is so important, it's in the name!!
I don't think that the old Ark of the covenant is more important than the holy shroud of Turin , a shroud that was touched by so many hands including scientists ..
God belong to everyone , and that why we should trust and love Christ , because He offered Himself and everything He has for us :
Take and eat My blood , here's My blood , drink from it !
What a beautiful invitation and what a sacred testimony that Christ is giving us !!
Nothing is this universe is more important than that .
I understand what you are saying and in a lot of ways you are right however i think you misunderstand, the Ark is Gods everlasting covenant, his Law of love, it represents God in every way shape and form, it's our daily code that we are to try to live by but can only achieve through faith in Christ. The Ark cannot be handled by sinners, you can only touch it if God deems you worthy, people with ulterior motives will only meet their death as God knows their hearts.
Either if Ron Wyatt was right or wrong , it's a discovery that need to be followed and to find out the truth about it , unfortunately , there are strict limits for it .
you arguments a getting increasing ridiculous. Why wouldnt he sign it? Would you commit fraud and then tell everyone?! maybe if he did sign it the signiture was burned off and repalacd with the bit that was carbon dated!
Noone else made one? How many mona lisas are there?
There's only one shroud my friend and there's no other . I'm stating possibilities not ridiculous arguments , are we going to base our beliefs on the 'maybes' and 'if' ?
As I said and I repeat , no painter neither a sculpturer depicted Christ as this one did , how did he know what all of the others didn't know ?
It doesn't need much , just by looking at His serene face , a person could understand that there's something unusual about it .
Christ is about faith , Christ is about believing , and the Shroud captured the hearts of millions around the world , not just because it's His Shroud , but because of the image itself , there's something about this image to meditate upon .
We have gone over this plenty enough and it is just one tiny point amongst so many which cast doubt on the shroud/gospel.
Im sorry to go on so much but I find it deeply worrying that people declare fact without any basis for proof and then lay scorn on science while choosing to believe pseudoscientist like wyatt just because they tell you what you want to hear.
This way you close your mind and barriers in a world where we desparately need barriers...
a) The gospel said that Jesus was crucified by his hands.
b) Painters used that for their inspiration for years.
c) The shroud shows that jesus was crucified by his wrists.
Logic dictated that therefore either the Shroud or the gospel is wrong.
As I said earlier it doesnt take much knowlege of anatomy to realise that crucifictions needed to be done n such a way, if the romans knew it somebody with the talent and intellegence to forge the shroud ...
and to make things more without sense , is that there's no signature on the Shroud to be known by whom it was made !
How can a painter miss such an opportunity and sign his name on the Shroud that it was made by me !
The Shroud is real , and throughout history since the apostles , it was protected , transfered from a place to another and it was well known that it's the most venerable and important relic of all time .
you said that Jesus told Thomas to touch His hands,then why the painters in history never showed that Christ was crucified by the "hands",why only this genius who was able to paint & on a "shroud" two images with a very very detailed expressions & "wounds" that no one knew about it if it wasn't for the Shroud,& both images,the front & the back of the body and head ?!
How did he know that Christ was nailed by the wrists while ALL the others didn't know!
and what amazes me is how science is so accurate about certain discoveries that goes sometimes to thousands and even millions of years ago , even to the point of discovering that everything started with a big bang , but they can't make up their minds about whether the Shroud is a medieval forgery , painting , made by the effects or by a true miracle !
This guy is full of shit. Ron Wyatt swindelled many people out of thousands of dollars so hm and his 'girlfriend' could go sightseeing in Israel at thier expense. You faking fraudsters and your followers are only driving more and more people against your fake church lies
Malc666the1 2 months ago
Ron Wyatt is a fraud! Get over it!
Malc666the1 2 months ago
In general, I am skeptical of most claims, but I studied Ron Wyatt research and claims and have found them to be accurate and sincere. Yahweh God Almighty really did have a special relationship with his servant Mr. Wyatt.
andymorejon 2 months ago
I thought these guys had answers. What a waste of my 33 years. I'm pretty upset at these story tellers.
cosmo1pug 4 months ago
@cosmo1pug - You shouldn't be upset because the documentation is all provided and he is one of many eyewitnesses. you're an outsider who evidently does little research.
DebateRobo 3 months ago
@DebateRobo ... Your young so I'll forgive you. I shack my head to think how many people can't understand reality. I never thought I was special untill I started to realize 90 percent of humans believe this crap. They believe everything authority tells them. It is still very strange to me how people will simply close their eyes to the fact all priests and thiest are lying to them. I am currenty trying to make money by lying to your type. I see god prove to me I don't.
cosmo1pug 3 months ago
@DebateRobo ... Your young so I'll forgive you. I shake my head to think how many people can't understand reality. I never thought I was special untill I started to realize 90 percent of humans believe this crap. They believe everything authority tells them. It is still very strange to me how people will simply close their eyes to the fact all priests and thiest are lying to them. I am currenty trying to make money by lying to your type. I see god prove to me I don't.
cosmo1pug 3 months ago
@cosmo1pug - apparently you don't do investigative work.
DebateRobo 3 months ago
In the last days will come mockers and scoffers saying "where is your messiah now" thats all I have to say,,,if you can t look at jabal al laws and see that its mt sinai youre just denying GOD on purpose to delude your own wicked heard
candiceevans1 6 months ago
extremely humble yet claiing to have found things noone else ever found
and he did not gain recognition because he could not provide the evidence so others could not examine his claims
no evidence no need to research
Toudiyama 8 months ago
@Toudiyama Ron Wyatt isnt the first person to find sodom and gommorah, jabal el laws, the ark etc,,,the people who live in these areas have known for centuries,,,Jabel al laws is called mountain of musa by saudis,,,in other words mountain of moses, Ron just followed the maps in the bible ,,,it really didnt take a rocket scientist other americans had found jabal al laws as well,,,,so what are you talking ab? golgotha has also been well known forever
candiceevans1 6 months ago
IDIOT SHEEP
godnmyhands 11 months ago
Idiots taking advantage of people's willingness to believe in some higher power. It's scary to think that we only get one go around at life and that's it. I can see the appeal of wanting to believe in some higher power.
JVPL213 11 months ago
@JVPL213 what is your higher power? yourself? Money? Women? Drugs? Alcohol? Your Pride? you are right we as people do have an appeal to belive in a higher power. The question i ask you which higher power appeals to you that you worship? All people are created worhipping creatures. Sociology and Anthropology bears this evidence.
combatkenpo 11 months ago
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What a douche.
JVPL213 11 months ago
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JVPL213 11 months ago
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EndTimeDelusion1 1 year ago
You may not need a Phd. to be a mystic. But, you DO need one to be the project director for an archaeological mission, because the latter is a science, and requires a huge amount of experience and knowledge of archaeological theory and practical methodology to not, quite frankly, balls it up. Archaeology is not about running around with spades digging up definitive finds that "prove" a historical point all by themselves. TBQH Wyatt really would fail Archaeology 101.
Krys1304 1 year ago
@Krys1304 - and yet he didn't need to waste his time sitting in a air-conditioned room listening to some academic who's never broken a sweat, let alone gotten dirty "running around with spades digging up definitive finds that PROVE a historical point." Careful the Lord warns in 2Timothy 3:7 - the fools are "ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." God uses whomever He wishes - degreed or not - usually NOT as they're less prideful and conceited.
tinketteful 6 months ago
It's difficult to fathom how people can allow their minds to be so completely overtaken by mysticism. This guy Lembke seem like a reasonably intelligent guy, but every thought he tries to articulate is stunted by supernatural supposition. The head of a hardcore Christian must be a difficult place to live... sort of like an asylum.
I guess it's just the nature of the beast, but it would be great if humanity could someday overcome its tendency toward magical thinking.
sincristo 1 year ago
@sincristo actually this magical thinking is multiplying exponentially, as non christians commune with fallen spirits. THrough various forms of the occult.
TheWomblemaster 1 year ago
@TheWomblemaster Um.... okay...
sincristo 1 year ago
more interesting is that thutmoses 1 and the approximate time of exodus are within the same time period. which adds even more evidence that the story is true. the hebrew name is moshe btw, and in egyptian it varies in the way its spelled. But its obvious that Moses was named the way he was because of the egyptian naming convention of the time.
TheHellbinder 1 year ago
I met Ron Wyatt twice. The first time was in London in 1997 as a skeptic. The second was also in London in 1998 but as one convinced he discoveries were real.
I dont realy care what people say about him. Some people have an axe to grind because he wasn't a "bonafide" arceologist and backed by a major university. I think it says somewhere in the Bible God choses the simple to confound the wise. I will tell you now. Ron was the most sincere, honest , humble person i ever did meet.
MrMaxTruth 1 year ago
Ron Wyatt never even had an archeology permit. If you like to do 'research' maybe you should do some of it yourself. Oh, and if what he says is true, and we'll all go to heaven if Jesus' blood is 'shown to the world': why hide it? That type of logic doesn't seem to fit. If this was a murder case, it'd be dismissed because of a lack of evidence.
Silenceisbought 1 year ago
who is this guy, he seems a little arrogant and into himself...but yea i agree with him about Ron.
lettherebedance 1 year ago
The word of God is our only safety, the only thing in our world that we can rely on. Everything that contradicts it, we may be sure, proceeds from Satan. Ron Wyatt claims he saw not only 4 angels, but Christ Himself in the cave. He very possibly saw a supernatural being but it was not Christ. The word of God says, "Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not." Matthew 24:26.
NationalApostasy 1 year ago
@NationalApostasy
When did Ron say he saw Christ in the cave?
aeroflying 1 year ago 2
@aeroflying It has been pointed out to me that I am wrong about Wyatt claiming to have seen Christ IN A CAVE. But I still do not believe his claim re the Ark of the Covenant. Ellen White says that at the cross, God's presence has left the earthly Mercy Seat forever. Therefore, Christ's blood would not have been flowing down to anoint what His Father had forsaken forever. At the cross the literal Mercy Seat was out of the picture forever, irrelevant. Only the Mercy Seat in heaven had meaning.
NationalApostasy 1 year ago
@NationalApostasy-- Everything that contradicts it, we may be sure, proceeds from Satan--- Well sir, in that case, all science is from satan.
lizazoon 1 year ago
In his book exposing Ron Wyatt's self-deceptions, Russell Standish referred to these specific claims as Satan's "infernal subtlety" against God's people. He wrote, with "..absolutely baseless assertions of Ron Wyatt, he has beguiled us," and counsels, "Dear Brothers and Sisters, please,...let not these utterly unsafe claims take our crowns from us."
NationalApostasy 1 year ago
The Lord has always used the weak to confound the strong and the simple to confound the wise.
visualvirtue 1 year ago
What a humble and sincere man, hoki atu ki to tatau matua Ron, aroha nui i o tatau whanau, aroha io tatau Matua TE ATUA NUI I To Tatau IHU KARAITI Me TONA WAIRUA TAPU. Amene
wikotus 1 year ago
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Exodus is fantasy
To put it simply the exodus was a cosmic myth. The whole story was part of the Passover story used to explain the rituals surrounding the vernal equinox.
The Canaanite language shows no sudden influx of Egyptian words at any one time. This is something one would expect had there been an Exodus, plus there would be a change in customs. This simply did not occur
lizazoon 1 year ago
@shakelikenumber8 like you I think I could have said that at one time, however, I thought he was lying on a matter. Then I talked to one of the board of directors of Wyatt's Research organization and I changed my mind. The BOD let me listen to an audio tape. As it turned out Ron was telling the truth, and the guy on the phone, that he was talking to, was not. So that's why Ron's credibility is strong with me. He documents his stuff well, and his critics do not.
VortexDelta 1 year ago
@VortexDelta: So you went to a snake oil vendor and you changed your mind about medical science. Ron Wyatt`s discoveries are plain fraud, and as a former law enforcement officer digging up fraud is in my blood.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon - There are several videos of law enforcement officers planting drugs on people and having them arrested. Most law enforcement people aren't like that, however, there are some. Actually I went to several of the Bible archeology sites, so stating that I'm taking people at their word is disputable. Also I have talked to people who have worked with Wyatt. Most critics of Wyatt have merely read a web page and didn't bother to check out any claims.
VortexDelta 1 year ago
@VortexDelta It was time for his people to know about it, Rabbi Wolpe decided. After a century of excavations trying to prove the ancient accounts true, archeologists say there is no conclusive evidence that the Israelites were ever in Egypt, were ever enslaved, ever wandered in the Sinai wilderness for 40 years or ever conquered the land of Canaan under Joshua's leadership. To the contrary, the prevailing view is that most of Joshua's fabled military campaigns never occurred
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon - actually near the Mt Sinai site was found an inscription including a Jewish menorrah inscribed on a rock. Really impressive. A Korean doctor found it.
VortexDelta 1 year ago
@VortexDelta : Well sir, now you gave me definit proof that those people are lying. The Menorah came in use many centuries later as the supposed flood. If they found an inscription of a Menorah they have put it there.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon : CORRECTION- Read after the supposed exodus happened-- The Menorah first appeared in Jewish history after the building of the first temple.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon - Read the Biblical account. The pattern for the temple and all it's furniture was given at Sinai.
VortexDelta 1 year ago
@VortexDelta Fraud, The design of the Menorah is a modern day design. The Menorah in early jewish history was different. Look it up.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon - I heard that story before, only that in I was told that it was a hypothesis but nobody really knows.
VortexDelta 1 year ago
@lizazoon - Moses was given the pattern at Sinai.
VortexDelta 1 year ago
@lizazoon:
Are you referring to the Minora, or the Majora,
You know, in terms of the Labiaphites? When you refer to the "supposed" flood, how can you NOT SEE IT.
bRadicalmagic1 1 year ago
@VortexDelta: Strictly speaking, there has never been any clear evidence discovered in Egypt, or elsewhere, to support the Israelite Exodus from Egypt, though there is no small amount of conjecture and theories. In fact, today it is fashionable, among Egyptologists, archaeologists and even some Jewish scholars to doubt the whole biblical story. Jimmy Dunn
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon Imhotep = Joseph. Thutmoses II = Moses. Hatshepsut = Pharoah's daughter. Thutmoses III = Pharoah of the exodus. What happened to his wife. She wrote a letter, on record, to the Hittites, their enemies, asking for a husband because there was nobody but slaves for her to marry in her kingdom. This sounds extremely strange, because when it history has any kingdom lacked royalty or soldier or priests? What happened to all these people? They died in the Red Sea.
VortexDelta 1 year ago
@VortexDelta A good fiction story. No evidence whatsoever.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon - well, I thought that way too, so I took a metal detector to the site in 07 and confirmed a pattern of iron. I have new respect for the man. According to Tentmaker, a cult and website, there is no pattern of iron. You can't believe anything on the web. The pattern is just one of several facts I found there, all confirming Wyatt's claim. A trip to the Ark is highly recommended. Don't take my word for it.
VortexDelta 1 year ago
@lizazoon Not taking any sides, just putting forward a known habit of the ancient Egyptians:
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Often in Egypt's history Pharaoh would strike names or events from the historical record. In some cases we can find evidence of these revisions on the hieroglyphs and statues to this day.
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This seems to make it possible that the entire event to have been erased ( and any supporting evidence to be destroyed ).
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Of course, I'm no expert in the field, just thought I could add a little something useful.
looncraz 1 year ago
@looncraz - Many of Hatshepsut's statues have been defaced, with inscriptions removed. These are thought to be the name of Moses.
VortexDelta 1 year ago
@VortexDelta --These are thought to be the name of Moses.-- See this all story is riddled with "Thought to be`s " EVIDENCE ZERO
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon - When the baby was taken from the edge of the water, Pharaoh's daughter named him Moses. In other words she named him pharaoh. The pharaohs during the Eighteenth dynasty were called the Thutmoses. Hence the baby took the name of the Moses. There were three four Thutmoses. I, II, III and IV. Hatshepsut was the pharaoh's daughter, and was of the Thutmoses and a time in Egyptian history where Pharaoh did not have a son and a lady took prominence.
VortexDelta 1 year ago
@VortexDelta The baby was never taken from the water. A similar story exist in several older cultures. Moses is total fiction , unless evidence is provided. What you are saying is just of the multiple hypothesis. None is proven
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon - let's just say that your claim that a baby is taken from water is part of the culture, before Moses came along. This all the more makes Moses history more credible. Moses' real mother obviously would have played up to this story and deliberately had her daughter plant Moses by the water so that Pharoah's daughter would instantly recognize Moses as the new ThutMOSES.
VortexDelta 1 year ago
@VortexDelta : This story of a baby found in a basket becoming a king, is part of a few ancient cultures. In fact there is proof that the story is copied from an older cultures, by the way the basket was made waterproof. Look it up.
lizazoon 1 year ago
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TheHellbinder 1 year ago
Ron is a saint
ukmukh 1 year ago
@ukmukh Ron is a fraud,
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon <------------ Evil Satanic Nazi Shill, who's homepage friend's list is swimming in Satanic symbolism, and has the gall to post absurd wicked condescending comments when it is blatantly obvious he worships Satan and is promoting the Satanic Agenda.
waketheoblivious 1 year ago
@waketheoblivious Do you have more of this irrelevant drivel ? The truth hurts, doesn`t it ?
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon don't worry about Wake, his post are 90% copy and paste jobs of post his has on his channel, he is just trying to antagonize you
he barely writes anything truthful at all
Toudiyama 1 year ago
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@Toudiyama <---------------- Evil Godforsaken illiterate Satanic Nazi Shill who champions the Satanic Agenda. His homepage friends list is swimming in Satanic symbolism, interlinked to other Satanic genocidal Nazis who are posing as humans.
waketheoblivious 1 year ago
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Here is what a reliable christian website has to say about the many claims of Ron Wyatt . He is the one behind the chariot wheels in the Red sea.--Are the claims true? If they are, such a staggeringly impressive list would mean that Ron Wyatt had been almost as miraculously assisted by God as the patriarch Moses
lizazoon 1 year ago
Here is what a reliable christian website has to say about the many claims of Ron Wyatt . He is the one behind the chariot wheels in the Red sea.--Are the claims true? If they are, such a staggeringly impressive list would mean that Ron Wyatt had been almost as miraculously assisted by God as the patriarch Moses
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon - I check out all the websites that were critical of Ron, and asked these - to make changes. For instance, the pattern of iron, I found to be verified. Numerous witnesses have seen the chariot wheels, Archeology Bible Review said that Wyatt's Sinai find is the best candidate for Mt Sinai, and an archeology said that Wyatt's Noah's Ark find was authentic.
VortexDelta 1 year ago
@VortexDelta: --and an archeology said that Wyatt's Noah's Ark find was authentic--
WHO ???
Sir, it is impossible to find what never existed. It is imposssible to find what is and was impossible to build. Any kindergarten kid can tell you this is a fairy tale. The BAS as far as I know does not support any of Wyatts findings. Believe what you want but the scientific world and any person with a grain of common sense, is laughing .
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon - that archeologist is Ekrem Akurgal. Also, scientist, Lennart Moller, a scientist who is in charge of a team of scientists, in Sweden, wrote a book in support of Mt Sinai and the crossing site. He was doing radar surveys at the crossing site. Akurgal is an award winning scientist with many honorary degrees. The editor of Bible Archeology Review, went on record as saying that Jebel al Lawz is the best candidate for Mt Sinai.
VortexDelta 1 year ago
@VortexDelta
Moller is an Prof. of Environmental medecine and i fail to see his expertise in archaeology. As for Ekrem Akurgal. I searched and have not found any reference to him having done archaeological research in the Sinai. He made some declaration about the ark but has not provided any evidence for it.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon - Moller, who is in charge of a TEAM of scientist knows the scientific language and can read technical journals and understand them. Determining depth and grade of the Red Sea crossing site, testing human and animal remains, and determining kind, is work that he CAN DO as a scientist. You can do it too. But his being a scientist and his being out spoken about it, shows that he's willing to put his name on it. Akurgal is an award winning scientist with numerous honorary degrees.
VortexDelta 1 year ago
@lizazoon - Moller wrote: "my earlier university studeis in chemistry, biology, limnology, and toxicology, as well as ecology and marine biology at the universities of Uppsala and Stockholm, have been of great help; as has the analytical laboratory research which is my profession....Where y own knowledge has been insufficient I have mad use of a NETWORK of individuals of SPECIALIST qualifications."
VortexDelta 1 year ago
@VortexDelta I checked out statements from people, Wyatt worked with and who categorically deny wyatts findings. E.G. The radar specialist Fenner investigating the site of the Ark. My dear Vortex. This is all fake. I am not going to spend more ttime trying to convince you. You must certainly be familiar with those statements. You hang on these fake findings, most probably because you think your faith requires it.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon - as a matter of fact i already looked into Fenner. I was skeptical of Wyatt's beliefs as well. Fenner is on record, on video, as saying that he's afraid of losing his job - as seen with a bunch of holy mollies. And he is also on record, on video as confirming the magnetometer readings and the radar. He also acknowledges the radar scans. He said that the radar may have been tampered with to get those readings. However, GSSI wrote a letter telling me that the radar can't be faked.
VortexDelta 1 year ago
@VortexDelta: Well sir you must have read totally different statement from Fenner. That`s all I can say.
But remember I DO NOT NEED any expert opinion, Nor do I need any collaborators of Wyatt statements that Wyatt is a lie. All i Need is COMMON SENSE. How did he get two kangooroos onboard ? By plane ? How did he get them back to Australie ? Did they hop back there ?
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon - well, the facts at the Ark site are not subject to your question, nor can be. They are fact. I was there and you CAN be there. Since coal fields and petroleum fields prove a universal flood, thus proving the authenticity of the Bible, knowing that the Bible claims that God brought the animals to the Ark is not a complicated thing. As to how the kangaroos got to Australia, that's simple. Evidence shows that much of the ocean waters hadn't drained.... (see part two)
VortexDelta 1 year ago
Part two.... since much of the ocean water was still trapped in large areas of the continents, being inland seas, this exposed shallow land area that connects to Australia. You can see these areas in maps that expose the bottoms of the oceans. Apparently, the ocean level used to be lower in the past, as you can detect from these maps. Any more questions?
VortexDelta 1 year ago
Not even bible colleges teach the flood:This is the teaching of amillenial covenant theology which is based on an allegorical interpretation of Scripture as opposed to a literal one This is the dominant teaching in most theological seminaries and has been for decades. As an example, there are 106 schools in the Christian College Coalition. Of those 106 only 5 teach a literal interpretation of the Genesis account of creation or that the flood was global
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon - I haven't validated what you have said, however, the modern creationist, literal Bible movement was started by scientists with legitimate degrees, from Berkeley to Yale. Seminaries aren't led by scientists, and since the modern creationist movement is still relatively young, I figure there would be a lag between leftovers from the evolution faith belief period.
VortexDelta 1 year ago
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@VortexDelta It was time for his people to know about it, Rabbi Wolpe decided. After a century of excavations trying to prove the ancient accounts true, archeologists say there is no conclusive evidence that the Israelites were ever in Egypt, were ever enslaved, ever wandered in the Sinai wilderness for 40 years or ever conquered the land of Canaan under Joshua's leadership. To the contrary, the prevailing view is that most of Joshua's fabled military campaigns never occurred
lizazoon 1 year ago
@VortexDelta:-- Since coal fields and petroleum fields prove a universal flood-- This is pure nonsense
--.knowing that the Bible claims that God brought the animals to the Ark is not a complicated thing--
So it`s a MIRACLE again. There is no reasonable discussion possible, because anything you can`t explain will be a MIRACLE. Sorry this is too stupid. Good day.
lizazoon 1 year ago
VortexDelta --. Evidence shows that much of the ocean waters hadn't drained...--
What evidence ?
Where did this enormous amount of water drain to ? Remember the ark supposedly landed 4.000 meters up mount Ararat. It was of course a miracle again. No other explanation.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon I think we all have to r emember that the biblical people may have thought the entire world flooded because to them it was the whole world but the truth is it was probably just the middle east. People take the Bible too literally,,,its like saying the earth is 6000 yrs old that is crazy ,,,Im a christian but I take into account that the Bible is the history of one group of people
candiceevans1 1 year ago
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Ron Wyatts discoveries are lies. Here is what a reliable christian website has to say about it---Are the claims true? If they are, such a staggeringly impressive list would mean that Ron Wyatt had been almost as miraculously assisted by God as the patriarch Moses---
lizazoon 1 year ago
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lizazoon 1 year ago
After hearing him (Ron) speak, and what he says he has seen... (And my personal time spending years studying the scriptures and Christ) it all makes perfect sense. I personally believe what he has claims.. is true. Until I am shown clearly otherwise, I will take my stand with him.
moseslam1 1 year ago
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On Passover last Sunday, Rabbi David Wolpe raised that provocative question before 2,200 faithful at Sinai Temple in Westwood. He minced no words. "The truth is that virtually every modern archeologist who has investigated the story of the Exodus, with very few exceptions, agrees that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way it happened, if it happened at all," Wolpe told his congregants
lizazoon 1 year ago
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YOU do not NEED a 3 dimensional substance to believe there was a man named Jesus OK? He LIVES in your heart. STOP trying to SEARCH for someone or something who CLEARLY was NOT OF this world. STOP following a MAN named Ron Wyatt and FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST! STOP "searching" for something that IS NOT here anymore. Christ came for a LITTLE while. Jesus told satan, what am I going to get out of your deal to gain the world if I am going to lose my soul? What is YOUR "GAIN" by following Ron Wyatt!?
Queenyinthehouse 1 year ago
Queenyinthehouse. Your last comment confirms your attitude of heart. Our Lord forgave those who crucified him yet you would condemn a man for far less? Instead of saying what God would or would not do get to know him and the message of the precious Blood of his Son Jesus Christ.
irpriestley 1 year ago
OMG, I don't know who died and made you the condemner of me, OR who you are to be "confirming" ANYTHING. I get my RIGHT to call out a LIAR from my Father and those who will follow along with this GARBAGE WILL answer for their stupidities in being deceived, for it is UP to you to decide whether to be deceived or not. Follow Jesus Christ, NOT some liar who blatantly sold his soul to the bophomat. THAT is OBVIOUS.
Queenyinthehouse 1 year ago
Accept the Lord as your personal saviour. Jesus spoke with respect to the sinner dying with him. Only He can help us loose a heart of stone and give us a heart of flesh. Plead His Blood to forgive our sin, as did the sinner on the cross confessing he was getting what he deserved to the other sinner then asked for Jesus to remember him when he went to his kingdom. He did not come to condemn the world but that the world through Him may be saved.
Our PRIDE is the core sin against God.
irpriestley 1 year ago
Well, from one sinner to another Honey... Thanks for that. Again, MY relationship with my Father is between me and Him ok? People DO need to follow Jesus NOT a man who put on a show for the public to MISLEAD. We were WARNED against that BY the Father, or did you not get that message? Pride Vs. CONFIDENCE ..... It's a HUGE difference. Learn it.
Queenyinthehouse 1 year ago
If you're going to say that Ron Wyatt is a liar, be sure you're telling the truth. I can tell you that he is NOT a liar. And if he is a liar please tell me how you know. I have checked out all the criticism in regard to Ron Wyatt and I found those people to be liars. OK? End of story. And if you really want to get into the details tell me what they are and I will refute them.
VortexDelta 1 year ago
Ron Wyatt was nothing but a liar and a deceiver and DEFINITELY a quack! The WORST thing people like him is MISLEAD everyone. "Trustworthy" is NOT a good description of this liar. More like "master deceiver". God would NEVER "talk" to ANYONE because NO ONE get's to God BUT THROUGH Jesus Christ. This guy Wyatt can burn in hell for his lies.
Queenyinthehouse 1 year ago
@Queenyinthehouse - OK. Check this out. I had some questions about Ron Wyatt after reading some internet pages just like you have done, and I doubted his integrity. So instead of going online and stating that he is a liar, I went to the Red Sea (Ron Wyatt checked out just fine), talked to one of his sons, his board of director members, and some others. It turns out that he was telling the truth. Ron Wyatt was an honest man who lived in an apartment.
VortexDelta 1 year ago
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HOW could the blood of Christ be found in the Ark? Jesus had NOTHING to do with the Ark. MOSES had something to do with it NOT Jesus. Jesus came along MANY years later in the New Testament. The Ark was in the OLD Testament. God DID NOT speak to ANYONE because NO ONE gets to God BUT THROUGH JESUS! This man was a COMPLETE LIAR. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE for Jesus's BLOOD to be ANYWHERE near the Ark? People need to USE THIER COMMON SENSE. I hear more and more bull EVERY DAY. This is RIDICULOUS.
Queenyinthehouse 1 year ago
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@ 0.50 in his famous "blood" video, your boy Ron Wyatt holds up the sign of the Baphomat. (THE GOAT).You think THAT is by accident? People REALLY need some help. Leviticus 16:12-17 KJV talks about a GOAT (NOT a "lamb) GOATS blood was sprinkled on the Mercy Seat, and he had led people to worshipping GOAT'S blood. You should NOT be promoting someone who MADE UP a LIE!
Queenyinthehouse 1 year ago
That Ron is a great QUACK.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon - Yea, I read statements like that on the internet, so i personally had to look at the evidence, knowing the requirements of law, research, and investigation. Apparently Wyatt's opponents have been shown to be questionable. One critic accused him of not being a Korean war Vet. yet, I the color guard was at his funeral. Even in death Wyatt debunks his opponents.
VortexDelta 1 year ago
If I was God, I would let Ron find these artifacts, because he wasn't looking for glory - he was looking to glorify God!
Eye2EyeIIIV 1 year ago
@crhood- your like the fools in the time of christ that asked him to do tricks and miracles so you could have your proof, and he never answered them, because he saw they to be fools. So if ron wyatt says he had jesus blood, and for reasons from God, he was not to give it out, then i guess thats where you leave it. Your beef is with him. but again, if you need proof than you are of little faith, and no one of true faith has any use for you.What if you never get your proof? you wont see past it?
2skullscrushing 2 years ago
@2skullscrushing
My "beef" is with any moron who abandons logic and facts because it's easier to blindly accept someone's word no matter how irrational or impossible it might be. Wyatt is the one saying "Hey, I've got proof!" yet time and again, he refuses to let anyone see it. Hmmm.... And, no, I'll never get my proof of God, just like you won't. You don't have any choice but to rely on faith. If I chose to believe in Santa Claus, that's going to come down to "faith", too.
crhood2166 2 years ago
ya, didnt you already say that???And as i told you, i didnt say anything about that claim. its all going to be ok, trust me.
2skullscrushing 2 years ago
The reason no scholars are giving him credit, is because luciferic groups are running a conspiracy to bring doubt to the world about the truth,and the belief in God. Its too obvious these days as the day of the beast approaches. know the date of his return, its vital to avoid the coming deception.
See "daniels timeline" it will be the most profound truth in the bible that you can ever acknowledge and can never refute. PEACE & BLESS YOU.
2skullscrushing 2 years ago 2
Thanks for this video !
Good men are know by their character.
Madharasan 2 years ago 2
Is the Lord the one telling Wyatt not to show the Ark of this "blood of Jesus" to the scientific community for verification? People are morons to believe this guy.
crhood2166 2 years ago
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GreenCures 2 years ago
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GreenCures 2 years ago
I wouldn't need proof it was scientific, I'd know it was either the result of medical science or other natural processes. I wouldn't assume it was God any more than I would Santa Claus. These Wyatt cases aren't even close. He claims to have ALL this proof, yet won't present ANY of it for peer review. I can claim to be 500 years old, but if I refuse to let anyone try to confirm it, you'd call me full of shit...and rightfully so. The ONLY difference with Wyatt is that you WANT to believe him.
crhood2166 2 years ago
you're probably right ----just got some new info on the wyatt guy---seems like he keeps throwing up the satanic hand sign. so not sure if he can in fact be trusted
GreenCures 2 years ago
Wicked is the generation that asks for signs and miracles.
2skullscrushing 2 years ago
@2skullscrushing
Wyatt is the one offering up the signs and miracles, but when someone asks to back his claims....he mysteriously can't accommodate. If God has given him all this "proof", why is Wyatt unwilling to put it up for peer review? Even you know the answer to that...
crhood2166 2 years ago
well, from what i know, his site of noahs ark is the ONLY site that shows,ribbing,metal rivets, and actual precise cubit measurement ,& probable location of the ark.-His site,before anyone else, for jebel el lauz being the ten commandments place. the ONLY one having tombs of miriams midian parents,burnt mountain top,and 12 seperate wells,and alter. and if you understand that moses was the archetype for jesus,his blood would have to be sprinkled on the mercy seat. who else revealed that?
2skullscrushing 2 years ago
@2skullscrushing
I can't put it more simply than this: Wyatt claims he has blood that could have only come from Jesus as there are no Y chromosomes present, yet he refuses to let any scientists sample or evaluate it themselves. That means he's lying. Or would you believe me if I said "God has given me the power to heal any ailment, but I don't feel like showing anyone!"? Come on!
crhood2166 2 years ago
hey, i'm not defending any of those claims, i'm backing what i said originally that the archeology world of scholars dont give him credit for anything.Its not for me to know those things, doubt them, or have anyway of knowing. what i know is that MOST of his sites for biblical locations are logical and closer to what makes sense, most of the time having several facts and land markers,match the bibles description. But again,christs blood HAD to be on that arks alter,as the lamb.THIS I BELIEVE.
2skullscrushing 2 years ago
@2skullscrushing
But do you believe that Wyatt has had Christ's blood for years and just isn't letting anyone near it?
crhood2166 2 years ago
Well, suppose he did. what would they do with it? they would discredit it, they would want to pass it around like a bottle of rum to every skeptical institution which we know are run by darwinistic evolution eugenicists. then they would loose or destroy it. and most likely end up trying to clone yeshua for their own demonic reasons.And also if he did, you dont think it WOULD be gaurded by an entity where it was found, as he said? i say this question is for you to think on,ask yourself,not me.
2skullscrushing 2 years ago 2
@2skullscrushing
Typical mind-numbing, completely illogical response. You can't "discredit" scientific fact and human blood without male chromosomal contributions would be hard evidence. By the way, I have Jesus' remains in an old coffin in my basement. No, of course I'm not going to show you or let anyone see it...just take my word for it! Why not? "Proof" obviously doesn't mean anything to you.
crhood2166 2 years ago
no, you just miss the point. I dont need proof of God or christ. i dont need to validate what some guys claims are. thats your argument. get it straight. i'm not looking for that kind of proof you are. so you dont like ron wyatt or believe that specific claim, so move on already. And if you read back, your the one that keeps coming back to one point, get therapy man. Science has never been out to prove God, its always proven itself to people like you that dont believe from the start.
2skullscrushing 2 years ago 2
@2skullscrushing
How do you get to a point where you can completely abandon logical thinking? If I tell you I'm God, you just "chose" whether or not you want to believe that regardless of logic, common sense and/or facts?
crhood2166 2 years ago
hey, your getting on my nerves. you dont know anything about my facts,logic or common sense.Because i didnt give you any of my sources. if you want education, go get it. i'm not your teacher, nor am i here to prop up your constant babble about one point. I'm like the guy in the vid. good people work and do things for good. i dont believe ron wyatt to have done anything outside of that. so just because of a claim, that i cant validate, what the fuck do you want from me?
2skullscrushing 2 years ago
Just sharing National Sunday Law by A. Jan Marcussen=)
hdiylove7 2 years ago
Just like William Branham's message, Ron Wyatt's discoveries are rejected by
the religious organizations of the world.
Thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them unto babes.
Wangtabee 2 years ago
who is Eric Lembke? How did he know Ron Wyatt. I think Ron Wyatt was a remarkable man. Didn't know him, but boy, God sure seemed to have used him to the fullest.
scounts 2 years ago 4
I challenge you to show 1 piece of evidence for macro evolution that has been verified. There is none! Evolutionists say that microevolution is evidence for macroevolution, but it has never been observed. There no doubt is variations of a KIND, but it NEVER goes beyond that! You saying that you don't have "time to waste" just verifies that you are willingly ignorant to the facts and to what is actually going on in this debate. If you want to see how scientific the bible really is just ask me!
bammagamma 2 years ago
What exactly do you need evidence on? Maybe I can help. I am not an on site researcher but do have 10 years experience in creation/evolution discussions. A tragic mistake allot of people make is by making these "ad hominen" arguments. A PhD or degree means nothing if it is an education that was given by secular institutions that don't allow free thought and possibilities of the unknown to factor in. Modern secular science can't give all the answers it claims to.
bammagamma 2 years ago
dude, i agree. i've been explaining that over and over, but the brainwashing is thick these days. huxley was an uneducated opportunist just waiting for someone like darwin to exploit to try to bring denial of God to the world.
2skullscrushing 2 years ago 2
@2skullscrushing
It's already more than okay for me....you're the one I'm a bit worried about. :)
crhood2166 2 years ago
This debate will never have its end until "the end"! Allot of ppl already have their minds made up & seems like wasted words sometimes. It comes down to perseverance on our part & to not lose momentum. It can be easier to discuss from different angles, meaning to start with logical arguments of Gods existence and then work through to biblical, historical & prophetic accuracies. It can also be useful to simply suggest books, videos, and other relevant materials to aid in finding this truth.
bammagamma 1 year ago
I believe Ron Wyatt is ligit. There's plenty of proof. The Ark of the Covenant is the only thing that is questionable on proof. But if you look at his character and all the other findings, you just know. From their fruits you will know them.
8IT4U 2 years ago 7
To be honest, I sense that you are distrusting of everyone and anything that has to do with Ron Wyatt. For that reason I feel that I cannot give you any evidence that will lead you to feel other than what you think right now. And it would be probably too expensive for you to travel to Turkey, the Red Sea and elsewhere and for you to purchase a metal detector. All I can say is that like you I had to go beyond and look at the facts first hand. That my friend, I cannot give you.
VortexDelta 2 years ago
I think a lot of us had those thoughts at one time. I thought the Noah's Ark site was a fraud. So in fairness we went and checked out those sites, and I interviewed others who have gone to those sites, and as much as I have to regret this, I was wrong about Ron Wyatt. Wyatt spoke the truth. I have good faith that you will do the same given all the evidence.
DebateCrusher 2 years ago 4
Thanks for posting these.
LoricaLady 3 years ago 3
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jesus is fucking briliant. i love jesus. i want to fuck jesus
fishdontfry 3 years ago
Just because a man dose'nt have a PHD He can use him ?lol...NOBODY in the Bible had a "PHD"...the PHD crowd is the unlikely characters!I hope Ron wyatt told the truth for all liars will be in HELL REV. 21:8.
christophorM 3 years ago
When Jesus died yes the curtain ripped, this was to symbalise the end of the sacrificial system that no longer would man feel the need to go through an earthly mediator as this would be fulfilled by Christs blood. The Ark at that time was beneath the cross and how amazing that it is revealed the importance of Gods Ark with the ten Commandments and how Jesus blood had to touch it for our sins to be removed.
theonewillcome 3 years ago
God has blessed Ron Wyatt. He did what few were willing to do and for no pay. A true disciple of Christ.
RR44v 3 years ago
we are all sinners. everyone of us. jews..americans..it does'nt matter your nationality.. we are all the same in Gods eyes. His creations. peace.
RR44v 3 years ago
But it still HELPT no one,way way .???????????
wilmex1 3 years ago
I'm not putting all the Jews in one basket , don't get me wrong , but there's a bunch of them who are evils .
comali2212 3 years ago
We never know , they might accuse him for doing that in the future ! LoL
Ron Wyatt was a scientist or a mad man , that is up to you to answer .
comali2212 3 years ago
Unless he stole it and blew it up , we never now LoL
comali2212 3 years ago
And there was one Shroud .
But unfortunaltely , mona lisa was given all the credit for it's authenticity while the Shroud is accused for being a forgery .
comali2212 3 years ago
yeah, set by jews and scientists no doubt.
consortium1979 3 years ago
Well , the ark is not in the hands of osama ben laden , he's in the hands of the Jews , corrct me if I'm wrong .
comali2212 3 years ago 2
Are you comparing the jews to Bin Laden?!
consortium1979 3 years ago
Nope , I'm making a simple joke , the Ark is in the hands of the Jews , let's put Ron Wyatt aside , wht they didn't show it yet to the public ? isn't that a hypocricy ?
or they still think they are the chosen people !
comali2212 3 years ago
I think you misunderstand, noone has the Ark it's in Gods hands, he will reveal it as and when he is ready. People have died at that site since trying to get the Ark, you cannot get near it unless god lets you.
theonewillcome 3 years ago
In His death on the cross Christ broke the wall that seperate the Ark from His people,& since that moment everyone can approach God through Christ & without exceptions,no more barriers & walls in approaching God,no more forbiddens & privileges that some people might have to approach God,through Christ God belong to everyon: An old covenant was abolished & a new one was established & it's the body & blood of Christ,& the new Ark was Mary His Mother that Jesus was seated in Her womb for 9 months.
comali2212 3 years ago
It was the law of Moses that was nailed to the cross all 603 of them, these were the laws and ordinances that the Jews were held in bondage by and through Jesus blood he set them free. The Jews were an example to the world, if you love God and obey him he will forgive you through grace. When Jesus died this went out to the world, love God and have faith in Jesus and you will live, by loving him means you'll obey his commandments and when you fail Jesus will pick you up and strengthen you.
theonewillcome 3 years ago 4
Ron Wyatt discovered the Ark inside a small cave under Golgotha's small hill and right under the hole where the cross was planted , and on the seat of mercy that is placed on the Ark , Ron found the living blood of Christ , it's a message from God to our times , as was and still the holy shroud of Turin .
comali2212 3 years ago
Does this mean that we don't follow Gods commandments anymore? Absolutely not, as without these there is no sin, man could do anything with impunity and there would be no repurcussions. What is sin? It is the transgression of Gods law, the only way to be forgiven for this is through faith in the forgiveness of Jesus. If you think Gods law is no more then i guess the Bible is lying and ultimately God is a liar?? This is why the Ark of the COVENANT is so important, it's in the name!!
theonewillcome 3 years ago 2
I don't think that the old Ark of the covenant is more important than the holy shroud of Turin , a shroud that was touched by so many hands including scientists ..
God belong to everyone , and that why we should trust and love Christ , because He offered Himself and everything He has for us :
Take and eat My blood , here's My blood , drink from it !
What a beautiful invitation and what a sacred testimony that Christ is giving us !!
Nothing is this universe is more important than that .
comali2212 3 years ago
Take and eat my body , here's My blood , drink from it ! ( should I say )
Just a small typos .
comali2212 3 years ago
I understand what you are saying and in a lot of ways you are right however i think you misunderstand, the Ark is Gods everlasting covenant, his Law of love, it represents God in every way shape and form, it's our daily code that we are to try to live by but can only achieve through faith in Christ. The Ark cannot be handled by sinners, you can only touch it if God deems you worthy, people with ulterior motives will only meet their death as God knows their hearts.
theonewillcome 3 years ago
If there was many mona lisas why there wasn't many shrouds ?
The answer is very simple , because no one can do it .
comali2212 3 years ago
There was only one mona lisa.
consortium1979 3 years ago
Either if Ron Wyatt was right or wrong , it's a discovery that need to be followed and to find out the truth about it , unfortunately , there are strict limits for it .
comali2212 3 years ago
to be removed.
you arguments a getting increasing ridiculous. Why wouldnt he sign it? Would you commit fraud and then tell everyone?! maybe if he did sign it the signiture was burned off and repalacd with the bit that was carbon dated!
Noone else made one? How many mona lisas are there?
this could go on for ever.....
consortium1979 3 years ago
There's only one shroud my friend and there's no other . I'm stating possibilities not ridiculous arguments , are we going to base our beliefs on the 'maybes' and 'if' ?
As I said and I repeat , no painter neither a sculpturer depicted Christ as this one did , how did he know what all of the others didn't know ?
That's the question !
comali2212 3 years ago
It doesn't need much , just by looking at His serene face , a person could understand that there's something unusual about it .
Christ is about faith , Christ is about believing , and the Shroud captured the hearts of millions around the world , not just because it's His Shroud , but because of the image itself , there's something about this image to meditate upon .
comali2212 3 years ago
What about the 3D images , that show the face and the body pointed out , an unusual thing in the art of paiting where the picture is flat .
comali2212 3 years ago
... could have worked it out.
We have gone over this plenty enough and it is just one tiny point amongst so many which cast doubt on the shroud/gospel.
Im sorry to go on so much but I find it deeply worrying that people declare fact without any basis for proof and then lay scorn on science while choosing to believe pseudoscientist like wyatt just because they tell you what you want to hear.
This way you close your mind and barriers in a world where we desparately need barriers...
consortium1979 3 years ago
So we are agreed on the following.
a) The gospel said that Jesus was crucified by his hands.
b) Painters used that for their inspiration for years.
c) The shroud shows that jesus was crucified by his wrists.
Logic dictated that therefore either the Shroud or the gospel is wrong.
As I said earlier it doesnt take much knowlege of anatomy to realise that crucifictions needed to be done n such a way, if the romans knew it somebody with the talent and intellegence to forge the shroud ...
consortium1979 3 years ago
Why the Shroud is unique , is there any other Shroud that was painted ?
How many excellent painters throughout history , no one thought about painting an image on a Shroud but this genius !
Now , does that make sense ?
comali2212 3 years ago
and to make things more without sense , is that there's no signature on the Shroud to be known by whom it was made !
How can a painter miss such an opportunity and sign his name on the Shroud that it was made by me !
The Shroud is real , and throughout history since the apostles , it was protected , transfered from a place to another and it was well known that it's the most venerable and important relic of all time .
comali2212 3 years ago
How can a just one painter,who did that !
you said that Jesus told Thomas to touch His hands,then why the painters in history never showed that Christ was crucified by the "hands",why only this genius who was able to paint & on a "shroud" two images with a very very detailed expressions & "wounds" that no one knew about it if it wasn't for the Shroud,& both images,the front & the back of the body and head ?!
How did he know that Christ was nailed by the wrists while ALL the others didn't know!
comali2212 3 years ago
and what amazes me is how science is so accurate about certain discoveries that goes sometimes to thousands and even millions of years ago , even to the point of discovering that everything started with a big bang , but they can't make up their minds about whether the Shroud is a medieval forgery , painting , made by the effects or by a true miracle !
comali2212 3 years ago