മൌലവിമാര് ഏഷ്യാനെറ്റില് പെണ്ണുങ്ങളുടെ കൂടെ ഇരിക്കുന്നത് ഇമ്മിണി ബല്യ കാര്യം തന്നെ, പക്ഷെ ഖുബൂരി പുരോഹിതര് കൈരളിയില് പട്ടുറുമാല് കാണാന് ഇരിക്കുന്നത്, ഹെയ് അത് ഞമ്മന്റെ ആളല്ലെ അതിലെന്താ തെറ്റ്? എന്നാണൊ പേരോടാ
For people who had asked to show evidences for Islam/Rasul (pbuh) allowed muslim women entering mosque for prayers; please watch this video of Dr. Zakir Naik:
"Are Muslim Women allowed to pray in the Mosque? Dr Zakir Naik"
Islam is a religion of great restraint and tolerance, Shame on you both, espically Mujahid. you always claim that You are better educated and cultured .why perod uses such insulting langurage, may Allahs wrath and punishment be on you both
For those who have imaan, and want to go to the heaven where Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasalam's wives and daughter will be, let them know that there is not a single narration that any of the wives or daughter ever left their houses to pray jumuaa and jamaah with men in the mosque. And this was attested by One of the greatest Imams, Imam Shafi rahimahullah; after which he says that if there was ny good in it , they would be the first ones to go.
@IrfanIbnIsmail who r lieing man do u ever know that the your grand mothers mother have gone to mosque for their jumua jamaath. please not that these people have come hear only after prophet and his deciples they don't let their wives to go to the mosque then y u peple do this
Until you post imam shafi's. imam baihaqi's, umm atiiyaa fatwa; your post will get deleted. they are just repetitions. As for asqalani's ibaarat, you didnt prove anything from it. And within time ill respond to what the ibaarat actully conveys. inshallah. I want to see how long you will continue your propogating lies.
what did u convey? go read why u posted the ibaarat. U lied that sahabah opposed what the tabii did. u lied that umm atiyya gave fatwah to go for eid prayers..................I repeat dont waste my time.
i see that nearly all half of my comments and all nearly all the ibaarats and hadiths i posted are missing. SOmething is wrong with the youtube service.
Until u post the ibaarat that i asked, ur comments are worthless. I gave u chance to freely post all this while. Not anymore until post the ibaarat. i have no time for ur baby comments.
Regarding ur state here, If u can post the all the ibaarats i asked u for and that u lied about, then post it. Otherwise go to hell. Ur own saying is worthless. IF u can prove from asqalani's ibaarat that sahabah opposed the tabii who prevented women, then do it. Otherwise go to hell. If u can prove asqalani opposed what tabii did, then prove it. Otherwise go to hell. IF ur planin to keep reapeating ur worthless baby comments instead of proofs 4 ur baatil, then ill delete them. WORD.
u havent even proved anything u loser. Go back and read why u posted the ibaarat in the first place. check ur interpretation there and check ur recent interpretation.
where Imam shafi ? post the ibarat. or its another distortion like ur distortion of imama nawawi's ibaarat. which view of baihaqi? post the ibaarat or its just another distortion like that of nawawe's ibaarat.
After asking you to invite the orkut community here, u didnt. so i did it my self. As expected ur just another big time loser. You had to ban me and delete my posts exposing your baatil views here and on orkut even on other topics like hijab, beard and many others. Let the viewers know, this is wahabism.
i was refering to ur ban on me on orkut. after getting exposed. And dont exagerate ur lie. I dd not delete any of ur posts here. The only time i deleted was ur repetative comments on the aluva debate video.
U translated the part after it as:"not only that the during the time of Rasoolullah what laws were valid in this regard the same were relevant after his Wafath also"
Ur translation was giving the impression that ibn hajr was the one who considers the above and opposed what the tabii did. prove such exists in the ibaarat.
I told u I have no time to waste. Post the ibaarats I asked. It naturally wil be a lie like ur distortion of imam Nawawis ibaarat. prove umm atiya fatwa tht u lied about.
Prove from ibn hajr ibaarat that it says:(BUT SAHABA WOMEN did not approve this).
approve what? it clear ur translatation is meant to show sahabah opposed what the tabii did. prove such is there in ibn hajrs ibarat.
There is a report that women should go to Eid prayers if its proven to be authentic then i will comment that it should be done)
Post the ibaarat.
- (Imaam Baihaqi replies to this Ibarath of Shafi , Yes its proven to be authentic , therefore they should do it accordingly , yes from the hadeeth of Umm Atiyyah)
which ibaarat of imam shafi? and post the ibaarat. Ur explaination of the ibaarat are worthless & untrustable.
(You dont knw the language of Fuqaha and you are cheated by your Mullahs)
Don't get excited. The viewers can read who was lieing using the ibaarats.
Instead of wasting time with ur silly comments, stick to the discussion on ibaarats and provide the word to word translatiom of the line u quoted so that everyone can see how u translated it as such.
After getting caught for lying again, now u translate the line as above. Before u translated it as:""BUT SAHABA WOMEN did not approve this".
Again I ask u to provide word to word translation to expose ur lie.
(Cos you dont knw arabic and no scholars say Jumuah is Haraam upon women)
There is no jumuah for women. Their emergence is haraam at the time of fitna. I can't help ur ignorance. Read ibn hajrs or taqiudeens fatwa I posted before.
And prophet SAW himself did not give umm humayd permission & sent her back home. Again I repeat, im now discussing the ibaarats. Ur jumping to other issues is not going to hide the lie ur spreading in the name of the imams.
(Translate the whole sentence and lets see who has distorted)
U brought the ibaarat. It is u who should prove the lie u said.
As for word to word you first translate the ibarath then let me see how you cheat others)
Its u who brought the ibarat and translated it. And u translated it as as sahabi women opposed so & so. I ask you to prove such even exists. On what basis u translated as such.
(And Sunnies dont even have a place for women to pray)
Prophet sallallahu alaihi wassallams mosque did not have ladies compartments. If a women comes to mosque for jumuah & jamaah, she would naturally pray as she planned which I guess would be behind men. If a room for women are necessary, for example in markets, etc , they maybe put up. But the room is not meant so that women can go to pray jumuah & jamaa with men. Its for exceptional circumstances.
(I qouted exactly the same ibarath without any distortion)
But u brought it out of context and said imam Nawawi quoted ijma that women can go for friday prayers. While the ibaarat in reality is quoting ijma that her prayer is valid, not her going.
(how can someone be present without going to the mosque?)
Stop acting a fool. The ibaarat u quote is discussing the validity of her prayer, not her going. The validity of her going is discussed above what u quote.
(Saying No Jumuah for women means no Jumuah in compulsory for women which you will not understand cos of your fake beliefs)
Wrong. No jumuah means no jumua itself. And this exactly what sunni's say. Friday prayers for women does not exist whether theres fitna or not. How many women you have decieved to believe the opposite.
Your the same person who had an issue with qoting tafsirs of ayah that there is no jumuah and jamaah for women.
(Means what ? So a woman can go chit chat with the Mullah but not attend prayers)
Rubbish. If a women, for example, did not obey the ruling on the emergence from houses for jumuah with men, and go ahead and prays the friday prayers, her prayer is valid. Not her emergence.
If ur refering to the ibarat in sharh muslim; then as I said before it is refering to going to mosque and Not about praying jumuah & jamaah. And the conditions laid out in that is enough to show ur baatil understanding of giving permission to women.
Imaam Nawawi does say abt women going to mosque and lists out the conditions of going)
Stop continuing to lie. No where in the ibarat u quote such is said. Rather in the same area above what u quote, the opposite is said on women going to mosque with men.
(Now you had to change your word that if they are present they can pray?)
Wrong. If a women were for whatever reasons present for friday prayers, her prayer is valid. This is the ijma which u distorted to mean something else.
Imam Nawawi discussion on women going to mosque with men is discussed in the same book, quoting scholars like Imam Rafi. It is imam nawawis opinion that ibn hajr makki took and gave fatwa that today their emergence is haraam.
(So you need to think before you even utter this stupidity)
You need to ask ur molvies y they distort the ibaarats by cutting & hiding the rest.
(A women can go for prayer and if she is present then she can pray)
Imam Nawawi never said in the ibarat a women can go for prayer. This is lie upon the Imam by u and ur molvies. The ibaarat is discussing the validity of womens prayer in masjid.
(So you need to think before you even utter this stupidity)
You need to ask ur molvies y they distort the ibaarats by cutting & hiding the rest.
(A women can go for prayer and if she is present then she can pray)
Imam Nawawi never said in the ibarat a women can go for prayer. This is lie upon the Imam by u and ur molvies. The ibaarat is discussing the validity of womens prayer in masjid.
which means what , for a women its not compulory upon Jumuah for her)
Wrong. It means theres no jumuah for women. And this is ijma. Lets see how u go against ijma.
(How can a person be Haadhir without going ????)
Who said so ? stop diverting. The ibarat you quote is not discussing whether her going to masjid is right or not. The ibaarat is discussing the validity of the womens prayer IF she was to go for jumuah prayer for whatever reasons it maybe.
(Then you lied on the Ijmau that there is no Jumuah)
It is imam Nawawi quoting ijma of ibnul mundhir and others. Lets see how u dump imam Nawawi now. The only proof u were hanging on all this while for womens jumuah prayer.
So the prayer of a women is sahih if she prays in a mosque. She does not have to repeat the prayer. And the proof for this is that women during Prophet SAWS time prayed but did not redo their prayer. And no one disagrees with this.
Ur molvi did not show you that Imam Nawawi in the same book same place said that If a women goes to mosque with men, it is not permissible(fa innahaa laa yajuzoo).
So go back to the author of the book u quoted from and ask him why he fooled you.
So there is no jumuaa itself for women. This is ijma. Then Imam Nawawi discusses the validity of the women's prayer IF she was to go for Friday prayers. And this is what the quote ur molvi used is refering to. It is regarding the validity of women prayer that Imam Nawawi said that
Ibn mundhir and others have quoted ijma that IF a women is haadhir and prays friday prayer, it is enough for her.
Coming to the ibarat, When ur molvi's quoted the cut out from"Sharahul Muhazzab (4-484)" they did not inform u of what is above the quote & the context of the quote.
Before the part u quoted, Imam Nawawi says:
Faqadha lagha li ibnul mundhir wa ghairuhu al ijmaa'a ann al marr'ata la jumu'aa alaihaa. (i.e. Ibn Mundhir and others have mentioned ijma on there being no jumuaa for women)
Before replying to ur little silly comments, I prefer discussing the ibarats. Lets start with u & ur molvi's deception using Imam Nawawi's quote. This is the quote u have been quoting everywhere claiming ijma for ur baatil and fooling the innocent, even on orkut.
After quoting, u said:
"boy you shud be exposed wished this was on a public to let ppl knw how liar you all cud be"
I again ask u to invite everyone you know to the discussion here. Let everyone decide who the liar is.
IF there is proof in any ibarat , u should bring it, not me. Ur the one who played with Imam Shafi's words. Now bring the quote and Prove what u said is truth.
you can continue making big heroic comments. The discussion is open. I ask u to invite the orkut members here. Let everyone see hw weak & silly ur arguments are. The so 2ibarat & 1 hadith ur hangin on wil be refuted soon. Until that, u can enjoy.
I can see ur desperation. nyway , il start making a reply only after 7th. We could discuss d 2 ibarat & 1 hadith one by one. And post imam shafi's Ibarat which u distorted. Also make sure the ibarat u posted r complete. Ibn hajrs is a reapeat.
There is a report that women should go to Eid prayers if its proven to be authentic then i will comment that it should be done
Imaam Baihaqi replies to this Ibarath of Shafi , Yes its proven to be authentic , therefore they should do it accordingly , yes from the hadeeth of Umm Atiyyah
و كا أنهم كانو يمنعون العواتق من الخروج لما حدث بعدا العصر الأول من الفساد و لم تلاحظ لصاحبته ذلك بل رأت إستمرار الحكم على ما كان عليه في زمن النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم
Go give to your arch liars Perod and UStad of liar Kanthapuram who take the other version of hadith it only means to ask doubt from Imam and not praying
So that they can flirt with them
We dont need to follow such corrupted ppl like the one in the screen who take ppl to Jahannam
6. Imam Shafi explicityl saying WOMEN from the categorized category saying is Khair for them to attend Jumua will be put
Then as far as calling others members in my forum know who you are and what you and already verdicted your opinions and it was such a fact that you had to run away from there like a coward
and like a coward you had to delete many of my posts
The Shaaf'i Sheikh Sulaiman Bujairmi (r) in Tuhfatul Habeeb Ala Sharhil Khateeb: "Women should not attend {the Musjid) whether they are young or old for Jamaa-at because of the
appearance of corruption .............Today the Fatwa is on total
(Dont tell this to anyy Shafies they will laught at you)
(knw how a Shafi opinons are valued)
Looks who's talking. A lamadhabi. The shafi's in kerala take ibn hajr and ramli's opinion as the most mu'tammad position. Learn before commenting. There were the last revivers of the madhab.
(So answer this 8 Lies first if you can)
ur Kiddish counting propoganda will work only in calicut mujahid center.
Forthly, all I need to do to show there is no ijma on default permission of women in masjid is by command of Prophet SAW, Sahabah, and scholars.
- Prophet SAW prevented umm humayd(r) when she asked permission.
- ibn masud(r) & ibn umar(r) used to expel women from jumuah.
- Bilal(r) said that he would surely prevent women when Prophet SAWs hadith of not preventing at night was related to him by ibn Umar(who as mentioned also expelled women), because women would make that an excuse.
(Ijmau for women coming to mosques and offering Jumuah was put)
(Imaam Nawawi - Sharahul Muhazzab Vol 4 -484)
First bring ibarat in arabic so I could check it.
Secondly imam nawawi whom u quote ur ijma from said that among the conditions of permissibility is :" that she not mix with men, that she not be a young woman or any similar [kind of
woman] who has a seductive effect, that there not be anything on the
way [to the mosque] that threatens any corruption/harm, etc."
The conduct of sahaba like umar(r), ibn masud(r), ibn umar(r), Aisha's(r) approval, etc and approval of sahaba over what the above did is enough to refute u. They understood the religion & command of Prophet SAW better then ur molvi's.
(Clinging onto weak and solitary opinions is yours)
I quoted around a dozen opinion of scholars. More coming up inshaallah. Everyone's watching ur source of opinions.
(You din quote a single proof from the lips of Rasoolullah to prevent women folk)
Why don't you quote a single proof from lips of Rasulallah SAW preventing women from leading the jamaah of men ?
Prophet SAW sent umm humayd home when she asked permission. Why don't you teach Prophet SAW that when a women ask permission we allow her ? did Prophet SAW say her to wear shariah clothing and pray in jamaah with men ?
Sayyida Aisha(r) who was most knowledgable women among sahaba approved Umar(r) prevention. So how can u say, they did not. So bring ibarat to know where u went wrong.
In Nailul Autaar, the following narration appears:
"It (females going for the Eid Salaat) is forbidden. This has been narrated by Tirmizi on the authority of Thauri, Ibn Mubaarak. And, this is the view of Imaani Maalik Abu Yusuf. Ibn Qudaamah narrated it on the authority of Nakhi and Yahya Ibn Saeed Ansaari. "
(BUT SAHABA WOMEN did not approve this and not only that the during the time of Rasoolullah what laws were valid in this regard the same were relevant after his Wafath also)
Bring the ibarat of this part. Approve what? which sahabi women ?Prophet SAW gave the law that the innermost parts of houses are better.
during the period of Tabi due to Fitna the abie ppl might have stopped their young women)
another proof that tabii were sunni's not islahees and that they understood Prophet SAW command like sunni's and not islahees who encourage even when there is 21st century fitnah going on.
(Hafsa of Tabi generation narrates During Eid we used to forbid young women going for prayers)
shows hafsa(r) was a sunni.
(Umm Atiya herslf came and enquire this)
This does not mean she gave fatwah to tabii to allow going to eid gaah. What is related from her was the conduct during Prophet's (Saw) time. So u lied about fatwah of umm atiya(r) permitting the tabii women.
(To knw your distortion and your contradictins put the story full)
(Else you are a coward as usual)
I do not do someone else's homework. The story is well known. I dnt have time for typing it down. U can refer al- tamheed(1/243) of ibn abdal al bar. Ur propogandas don't work here. As mentioned before, Atika(r)did not dress up more and come to masjid again, ever. She stoped when she found the people were not people.
Yes u have. Because imam shafi explicitly prohibited giving permission to women for jumuah & jamaah. So ur explaination of his words to mean permissibility of jumaah is a distortion.
(prove that i have cut)
(i have mistranslated)
same answer.
(Else what i quoted is bright as day too)
Only a dum person will find the dislike of praying zuhr before jumuaa' to mean ->go to masjid for jumuah.
(What desperate effort ? We have proved it clearly and what did Askalani say)
so have I provided his opinions that it is "incumbent on imam or representative to prevent women from emerging." when free mixing and "danger of misdemeanour" due to adornment and display of beauty occurs.
(Fear of mixing , Irfan is so much intersted in mixing and taking cams and recording)
Look who talking. The one who likes parading women on streets & cameras.
(No where did we claim we are more knwlegable this is a lie on us)
If u did'nt think so, u would not claim having the qualification to check whether opinions of mujthahideen scholars are correct or not. In ur case all the scholars should be following you.
(So you lie that we dont have rules more lie to follow)
Its well known ur madhab does not have any basis, methodology, proirity, etc to derive rulings. that's why all ur scholars contridict each other in nearly every issue.
(We accept based on the authenticity and proofs for any ones opinions)
If ur qualified to do that, u should start ur new "suhail" madhab.
(We are not monks and priests to set up rules and make someone follow manmade rules)
You mean all the scholars for 1400 yrs (who all followed madhabs) where following priests While your following of zakariya salahi does not make zakariya a priest? The Quran commanded those who don't know to take from those who know.
When u deny & lie about facts, it might become a necessity. I even had one of my old friends who I met invite me to a islaahi eid gaah for this eid. I denied as usual. After which i heard him talking to another friend about his intention of attending, which is to flirt with the females who attend there.
If ur women come to mosque in shariah manner then why move them & deny their rights ? if ur women come in shariah manner then y unload them 2 masjid only on friday, eids & taraweeh ?
It is not the room, or women relaxing in the room, etc that is the problem. But women's jamaah with men in this manner, and encouraging women to come out of the house to pray in this compartment is the issue.
(Ask this to Umar (R) itslf who kept seperate entrance for females and recorded in Muhalla of Ibn Hazm)
Suppossing it is authentic, separate doors is not a proof for ladies compartment in mosques. Did'nt the sahaba who prevented women from mosque think of ladies compartment ? Did Umar(r), Aisha(r), etc think of this ?
മൌലവിമാര് ഏഷ്യാനെറ്റില് പെണ്ണുങ്ങളുടെ കൂടെ ഇരിക്കുന്നത് ഇമ്മിണി ബല്യ കാര്യം തന്നെ, പക്ഷെ ഖുബൂരി പുരോഹിതര് കൈരളിയില് പട്ടുറുമാല് കാണാന് ഇരിക്കുന്നത്, ഹെയ് അത് ഞമ്മന്റെ ആളല്ലെ അതിലെന്താ തെറ്റ്? എന്നാണൊ പേരോടാ
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Allah Bless this Great Islamic scholar Kantahapuram
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shanif83 10 months ago
For people who had asked to show evidences for Islam/Rasul (pbuh) allowed muslim women entering mosque for prayers; please watch this video of Dr. Zakir Naik:
"Are Muslim Women allowed to pray in the Mosque? Dr Zakir Naik"
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Islam is a religion of great restraint and tolerance, Shame on you both, espically Mujahid. you always claim that You are better educated and cultured .why perod uses such insulting langurage, may Allahs wrath and punishment be on you both
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Hanefm 2 years ago
asianet ttinnte drama rss agenttekk thala vechkotukkunnaver.....muslim visheyam charcha cheyyen daralam vedikalunttallo
noblesweet1 2 years ago
For those who have imaan, and want to go to the heaven where Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasalam's wives and daughter will be, let them know that there is not a single narration that any of the wives or daughter ever left their houses to pray jumuaa and jamaah with men in the mosque. And this was attested by One of the greatest Imams, Imam Shafi rahimahullah; after which he says that if there was ny good in it , they would be the first ones to go.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
@IrfanIbnIsmail who r lieing man do u ever know that the your grand mothers mother have gone to mosque for their jumua jamaath. please not that these people have come hear only after prophet and his deciples they don't let their wives to go to the mosque then y u peple do this
56sujith 1 year ago
Until you post imam shafi's. imam baihaqi's, umm atiiyaa fatwa; your post will get deleted. they are just repetitions. As for asqalani's ibaarat, you didnt prove anything from it. And within time ill respond to what the ibaarat actully conveys. inshallah. I want to see how long you will continue your propogating lies.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Until you post the complete translation of the Ibarath of Ibn Hajr what i put and prove its against what i told
You can do your stupid things
You are one big liar and your lies have been exposed and the only thing you can do is that I distorted !!!!!!!!
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
Yeah rite !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Prove that from the Ibarath of Ibn Hajr I qouted by providing the complete translation
You think you can fool around continuing by doing this stupidity and deleting what all was said before
Put the translation in full and lets see it
You have no right to accuse of lying unless you prove anything
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
@suhailyouseph YES.............
RAMSHI9744 1 year ago
See you lied that the Ibarath of Fathul Baari is against what i tried to convey
Put the complete translation and lets see it
without that you are not going to get anything from my end
Well , don think i tried to delete your msgs here in you tube , i dont have those prvileges
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
what did u convey? go read why u posted the ibaarat. U lied that sahabah opposed what the tabii did. u lied that umm atiyya gave fatwah to go for eid prayers..................I repeat dont waste my time.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
i see that nearly all half of my comments and all nearly all the ibaarats and hadiths i posted are missing. SOmething is wrong with the youtube service.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Until u post the ibaarat that i asked, ur comments are worthless. I gave u chance to freely post all this while. Not anymore until post the ibaarat. i have no time for ur baby comments.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Regarding ur state here, If u can post the all the ibaarats i asked u for and that u lied about, then post it. Otherwise go to hell. Ur own saying is worthless. IF u can prove from asqalani's ibaarat that sahabah opposed the tabii who prevented women, then do it. Otherwise go to hell. If u can prove asqalani opposed what tabii did, then prove it. Otherwise go to hell. IF ur planin to keep reapeating ur worthless baby comments instead of proofs 4 ur baatil, then ill delete them. WORD.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
You LIED ON ME
and you cant do that by putting up LIES any where
So if you can prove put the whole translation for the Ibarath
Prove thats else you are just creating FITNA
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
u havent even proved anything u loser. Go back and read why u posted the ibaarat in the first place. check ur interpretation there and check ur recent interpretation.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Well you shud go to helll
Askalani used the hadith quotin the opinions of Imaam Shafi
He qouted Imaam Baihaqis view
If there is anything to prove your point you produce rather than putting and acting like a chicken!!!!!11
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
where Imam shafi ? post the ibarat. or its another distortion like ur distortion of imama nawawi's ibaarat. which view of baihaqi? post the ibaarat or its just another distortion like that of nawawe's ibaarat.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
After asking you to invite the orkut community here, u didnt. so i did it my self. As expected ur just another big time loser. You had to ban me and delete my posts exposing your baatil views here and on orkut even on other topics like hijab, beard and many others. Let the viewers know, this is wahabism.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Who has deleted previously all the post
When u ran out of answers you had to delte my posts which were revelant and the same applies to you too
Without putting up the translation of the Ibaarath which you ACCUSe me you are not going to do anything
Translate it and then talk great to me you are another Quboori Jaahil and the lies and Jahaalath of your have already been proved
Now sticking up without even producing the translation you think you can accuse me ??????
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
i was refering to ur ban on me on orkut. after getting exposed. And dont exagerate ur lie. I dd not delete any of ur posts here. The only time i deleted was ur repetative comments on the aluva debate video.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
The portion of that is given in the Ibarath itslf
Why dont you translate the Ibarath as a whole and prove that it is a proof for you
Lets see how you distort
this kind of tactics dear keep it in Markaz itslf
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(It naturally wil be a lie )
you can tell that in your dreams
will be a lie , can be a lie
You dont even have the guts to put up the exact translation and accuse others as lying
If I am lying then put the exact translation
What do you think by fooling around you can escape ?
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
Its clearly told in the Ibaarath itslf
Dont play around
If you can put the Ibarath and translate and prove its not what it is
Don put this Musliyar tactics that wont work with me dear
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
and dont post the comments as a reply. the readers will not be able to understand what the discussion.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
U translated the part after it as:"not only that the during the time of Rasoolullah what laws were valid in this regard the same were relevant after his Wafath also"
Ur translation was giving the impression that ibn hajr was the one who considers the above and opposed what the tabii did. prove such exists in the ibaarat.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
I told u I have no time to waste. Post the ibaarats I asked. It naturally wil be a lie like ur distortion of imam Nawawis ibaarat. prove umm atiya fatwa tht u lied about.
Prove from ibn hajr ibaarat that it says:(BUT SAHABA WOMEN did not approve this).
approve what? it clear ur translatation is meant to show sahabah opposed what the tabii did. prove such is there in ibn hajrs ibarat.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
I want you to put the exact translation of the Ibaarath and prove the intention is wrong and the translation is wrong
Any tom dick and harry can tell wht is quoted is wrong and lie
But you need to prove
Translate the
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
None of the things will be translated until
First you post the complete translation of what Askalani has put
You need to prove it from translating the whole sentence as it is
Lets see who is lying
you think by doing this kind of stupidity you can fool around
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
- Also Post the ibaarat from imam shafi's al umm, which u previously distorted.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Yeah rite
Lets see who distorted first put the complete translation of the Ibarath from Fathula Baari
and put the translation
Lets see how it supports it for you
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
-(From Fathul Baari ( 3-541)
There is a report that women should go to Eid prayers if its proven to be authentic then i will comment that it should be done)
Post the ibaarat.
- (Imaam Baihaqi replies to this Ibarath of Shafi , Yes its proven to be authentic , therefore they should do it accordingly , yes from the hadeeth of Umm Atiyyah)
which ibaarat of imam shafi? and post the ibaarat. Ur explaination of the ibaarat are worthless & untrustable.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Haa Haa
you shud ask Imaam Askalani who recorded that
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
Check Fathul Baari (3-451) before you commit this LIE
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
- What does تلاحظ mean ?
-(Umm Atiya commanding tabi women to go will be put in Arabic itslf)
Im still waiting for the proof of this lie upon Umm Atiya.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(You dont knw the language of Fuqaha and you are cheated by your Mullahs)
Don't get excited. The viewers can read who was lieing using the ibaarats.
Instead of wasting time with ur silly comments, stick to the discussion on ibaarats and provide the word to word translatiom of the line u quoted so that everyone can see how u translated it as such.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
I Have given the translation for the whole sentnece
and for the phrase
And now its your turn put up the tranlsation of the whole sentence and prove its not what it is
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(Sahaba did not consider)
After getting caught for lying again, now u translate the line as above. Before u translated it as:""BUT SAHABA WOMEN did not approve this".
Again I ask u to provide word to word translation to expose ur lie.
(Cos you dont knw arabic and no scholars say Jumuah is Haraam upon women)
There is no jumuah for women. Their emergence is haraam at the time of fitna. I can't help ur ignorance. Read ibn hajrs or taqiudeens fatwa I posted before.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Consider
Approve
Who is lying we can see if you will write the sentence with the translation
What you are trying to prove ?????
Let me see it , well put the translation of the Ibarath and prove its against what i had written
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(Prophet told not to prevent them)
And prophet SAW himself did not give umm humayd permission & sent her back home. Again I repeat, im now discussing the ibaarats. Ur jumping to other issues is not going to hide the lie ur spreading in the name of the imams.
(Translate the whole sentence and lets see who has distorted)
U brought the ibaarat. It is u who should prove the lie u said.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Who is lying ?
Instead prove that else your Baatil is by default understood who is lying
Write the translation and prove the interpretation is wrong
LEts see who is distoring , if you come up with your dirty tricks , there are more proofs to back it up
You dont need to jump up and down to LIE
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(the Ibaraths meanining is as like that itslf
As for word to word you first translate the ibarath then let me see how you cheat others)
Its u who brought the ibarat and translated it. And u translated it as as sahabi women opposed so & so. I ask you to prove such even exists. On what basis u translated as such.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Sahabi women oppossed so and so ?
where did i write this ???
Again you LIAR !!!!!!
The word consideral . approval all means the same
Its you who is doing the dirty Samastha tricks
Translate the same and prove it that the interpretation of the same is wrong
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
And yes the Ibarath and hadith is linked
Its clear from the words do not prevent them from praying in the mosque
No one can go against this statements except ppl like you
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
Translate the phrase before you even tell Lie on others
Due to fitna they might have prevented but Sahaba did not consider and they understood how the laws during the time of PRophet the same to be there
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
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suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(translate the ibarath then from your end)
U have to prove ur lie upon ibn hajr. Translate the line u quoted word by word and prove it.
(Let me see your distortion , I have given the phrase Sahaba women din approve
or consider what ever it s translated the intention is clear)
It is u who have to prove that such even exists in the ibaarat. Or ask ur molvi why he lied to you and to prove his lie.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Get lost
PRove that its not like that
the Ibaraths meanining is as like that itslf
As for word to word you first translate the ibarath then let me see how you cheat others
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(The Ibaraths are linked with the hadith
So therefore a Hadith takes over the Ibarath cos of your utter stupidity of how can someone be present without going ??)
I repeat, ill discuss this after the discussion on the ibaarats. U can comment about hadith taking over ibaarat at that time.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Neither can you translate the Ibarath nor can you put anything
you can accuse cos thats only thing you can do
I have given the phrase that pertains to that meaning
Yet you can only LIE cos thats all you got left with
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
Instead of wasting time rolling over ur lie, point out where in ibn hajrs ibaarat it says sahabah women opposed so & so.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
You are lying upon me and again others
The prhase Sahaba women dint approve
they dint consider is all the same
Translate it before you can do your Dajjal tactics
Translate the whole sentence and lets see who has distorted
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(No Jumuah means
No jumuah as in compulsory)
Liar. No jumuah means women have no jumuah itself. Jumuah is only for men. Stop distorting and lieing upon the Imam.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Liar is you
Cos you dont knw arabic and no scholars say Jumuah is Haraam upon women
You dont knw the language of Fuqaha and you are cheated by your Mullahs
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(So where they pray ??? In Khateebs house ?)
Ask this to Prophet sallallahu alaihi wassallam, the sahabah, salaf and all the muslims who lived for 1300 years.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Prophet told not to prevent them
So its your dirty Mullahs who told its Haraam
Go and tell this stupidity to them
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(And Sunnies dont even have a place for women to pray)
Prophet sallallahu alaihi wassallams mosque did not have ladies compartments. If a women comes to mosque for jumuah & jamaah, she would naturally pray as she planned which I guess would be behind men. If a room for women are necessary, for example in markets, etc , they maybe put up. But the room is not meant so that women can go to pray jumuah & jamaa with men. Its for exceptional circumstances.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(I qouted exactly the same ibarath without any distortion)
But u brought it out of context and said imam Nawawi quoted ijma that women can go for friday prayers. While the ibaarat in reality is quoting ijma that her prayer is valid, not her going.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(how can someone be present without going to the mosque?)
Stop acting a fool. The ibaarat u quote is discussing the validity of her prayer, not her going. The validity of her going is discussed above what u quote.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(You are again lying upon Imaam Nawawi)
Everyone can read who the liar is.
(First you lied there is no Jumuah in the ibarath)
That was inreference to the ibaarat in sharh muslim.
(now you saying if they are present but not going)
That's the ibaarat which u quoted and distorted the meaning.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
translate the ibarath then from your end
Let me see your distortion , I have given the phrase Sahaba women din approve
or consider what ever it s translated the intention is clear
Now prove if its wrong write down the translation
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
What u quote from ibn hajrs ibaarat does not say:
"BUT SAHABA WOMEN did not approve this".
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(Saying No Jumuah for women means no Jumuah in compulsory for women which you will not understand cos of your fake beliefs)
Wrong. No jumuah means no jumua itself. And this exactly what sunni's say. Friday prayers for women does not exist whether theres fitna or not. How many women you have decieved to believe the opposite.
Your the same person who had an issue with qoting tafsirs of ayah that there is no jumuah and jamaah for women.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
No Jumuah means
No jumuah as in compulsory
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(Imaam Nawawi does tell abt women going to mosque
upon conditions)
And those conditions for going to mosque is in agreement with sunnies.
(And your lies dont work here)
You lied that Imam Nawawi quoted ijma that women can go for friday prayers.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
I qouted exactly the same ibarath without any distortion
And Sunnies dont even have a place for women to pray
So where they pray ??? In Khateebs house ?
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(I gave the hadith not to prevent women from praying in the mosque)
Lets discuss one by one. Lets finish with the ibaarats first. Ill come to the 1 hadith ur hanging on after that. So don't waste ur time repeating it.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
The Ibaraths are linked with the hadith
So therefore a Hadith takes over the Ibarath cos of your utter stupidity of how can someone be present without going ??
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(Means what ? So a woman can go chit chat with the Mullah but not attend prayers)
Rubbish. If a women, for example, did not obey the ruling on the emergence from houses for jumuah with men, and go ahead and prays the friday prayers, her prayer is valid. Not her emergence.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
If ur refering to the ibarat in sharh muslim; then as I said before it is refering to going to mosque and Not about praying jumuah & jamaah. And the conditions laid out in that is enough to show ur baatil understanding of giving permission to women.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
You are again lying upon Imaam Nawawi
First you lied there is no Jumuah in the ibarath
now you saying if they are present but not going ]
how can someone be present without going to the mosque?
So this explains your stupidity
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(You are one big liar
Imaam Nawawi does say abt women going to mosque and lists out the conditions of going)
Stop continuing to lie. No where in the ibarat u quote such is said. Rather in the same area above what u quote, the opposite is said on women going to mosque with men.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
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suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(IF she was to go for jumuah prayer for whatever reasons it maybe. )
I gave you the hadith that women should not be prevented for praying in mosques
Words of rasoolullah and proved its Saheeh
Then your words !!!! we can dump to garbage
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
Imaam Nawawi does tell abt women going to mosque
upon conditions
And your lies dont work here
Saying No Jumuah for women means no Jumuah in compulsory for women which you will not understand cos of your fake beliefs
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(Yes i do mind , cos if you search I have put the Arabic Ibarath along with the reference number)
I know that. Im asking u to point out where in the ibaarat it says: "BUT SAHABA WOMEN did not approve this".
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
لم تلاحظ لصاحبته ذلك بل رأت إستمرار الحكم على ما كان عليه في زمن النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(Now you had to change your word that if they are present they can pray?)
Wrong. If a women were for whatever reasons present for friday prayers, her prayer is valid. This is the ijma which u distorted to mean something else.
Imam Nawawi discussion on women going to mosque with men is discussed in the same book, quoting scholars like Imam Rafi. It is imam nawawis opinion that ibn hajr makki took and gave fatwa that today their emergence is haraam.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
What ever reasons ?
Means what ? So a woman can go chit chat with the Mullah but not attend prayers
This is your Fake belief
I gave the hadith not to prevent women from praying in the mosque
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(So you need to think before you even utter this stupidity)
You need to ask ur molvies y they distort the ibaarats by cutting & hiding the rest.
(A women can go for prayer and if she is present then she can pray)
Imam Nawawi never said in the ibarat a women can go for prayer. This is lie upon the Imam by u and ur molvies. The ibaarat is discussing the validity of womens prayer in masjid.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
You are one big liar
Imaam Nawawi does say abt women going to mosque and lists out the conditions of going
You are again lying upon Imaams
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(So you need to think before you even utter this stupidity)
You need to ask ur molvies y they distort the ibaarats by cutting & hiding the rest.
(A women can go for prayer and if she is present then she can pray)
Imam Nawawi never said in the ibarat a women can go for prayer. This is lie upon the Imam by u and ur molvies. The ibaarat is discussing the validity of womens prayer in masjid.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(Laa Jumuah Alaihaa ?
which means what , for a women its not compulory upon Jumuah for her)
Wrong. It means theres no jumuah for women. And this is ijma. Lets see how u go against ijma.
(How can a person be Haadhir without going ????)
Who said so ? stop diverting. The ibarat you quote is not discussing whether her going to masjid is right or not. The ibaarat is discussing the validity of the womens prayer IF she was to go for jumuah prayer for whatever reasons it maybe.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Coming to the issue of eid gaah and ibn hajr's ibaarat. You had translated ibn hajrs ibaarat as:
(BUT SAHABA WOMEN did not approve this).
Do you mind pointing out where in the ibaarat this is said ?
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Yes i do mind , cos if you search I have put the Arabic Ibarath along with the reference number
Hunt and then translate
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(Then you lied on the Ijmau that there is no Jumuah)
It is imam Nawawi quoting ijma of ibnul mundhir and others. Lets see how u dump imam Nawawi now. The only proof u were hanging on all this while for womens jumuah prayer.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
You lied first there is no Jumuah in the Ibarath
Now you had to change your word that if they are present they can pray ?
Like that you will change your opinions
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
So the prayer of a women is sahih if she prays in a mosque. She does not have to repeat the prayer. And the proof for this is that women during Prophet SAWS time prayed but did not redo their prayer. And no one disagrees with this.
Ur molvi did not show you that Imam Nawawi in the same book same place said that If a women goes to mosque with men, it is not permissible(fa innahaa laa yajuzoo).
So go back to the author of the book u quoted from and ask him why he fooled you.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
So there is no jumuaa itself for women. This is ijma. Then Imam Nawawi discusses the validity of the women's prayer IF she was to go for Friday prayers. And this is what the quote ur molvi used is refering to. It is regarding the validity of women prayer that Imam Nawawi said that
Ibn mundhir and others have quoted ijma that IF a women is haadhir and prays friday prayer, it is enough for her.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
How can a person be Haadhir without going ????
So you need to think before you even utter this stupidity
A women can go for prayer and if she is present then she can pray
No Jumuah for Women means no Jumuah compusory on Women
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
Coming to the ibarat, When ur molvi's quoted the cut out from"Sharahul Muhazzab (4-484)" they did not inform u of what is above the quote & the context of the quote.
Before the part u quoted, Imam Nawawi says:
Faqadha lagha li ibnul mundhir wa ghairuhu al ijmaa'a ann al marr'ata la jumu'aa alaihaa. (i.e. Ibn Mundhir and others have mentioned ijma on there being no jumuaa for women)
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Laa Jumuah Alaihaa ?
which means what , for a women its not compulory upon Jumuah for her
Thats what it means
who is fooling we can understand that
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
Before replying to ur little silly comments, I prefer discussing the ibarats. Lets start with u & ur molvi's deception using Imam Nawawi's quote. This is the quote u have been quoting everywhere claiming ijma for ur baatil and fooling the innocent, even on orkut.
After quoting, u said:
"boy you shud be exposed wished this was on a public to let ppl knw how liar you all cud be"
I again ask u to invite everyone you know to the discussion here. Let everyone decide who the liar is.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
IF there is proof in any ibarat , u should bring it, not me. Ur the one who played with Imam Shafi's words. Now bring the quote and Prove what u said is truth.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Ha Haa
Neither you or your Dajjals can prove that I played or I lied or I distorted
I Will put it down but you as usual cant refute it even with the refernce i put !!
All you knw is to put up comments and lies
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
you can continue making big heroic comments. The discussion is open. I ask u to invite the orkut members here. Let everyone see hw weak & silly ur arguments are. The so 2ibarat & 1 hadith ur hangin on wil be refuted soon. Until that, u can enjoy.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Ha Haa
I have seen your responses before also
They have verdicted you and who is silly who is providing what proofs etc everyone knws
You can continue your dialogues cos thats all you got left with
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(imam shafi's Ibarat which u distorted)
Keep counting your lies
I aint A Dajjal Saqaafi like your ulemas to do that
I have quoted you the ref
open up and put the Ibarath make the translation and prove what i distorted
Jus cos its your own channel does not mean you can accuse anything on me
Who is a Liar will be proved Insha Allah
Quote it and do your homework first rather talking garbage
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
First you tried to say that Prophets command does not mean its going for prayer
Then you lied on the Ijmau that there is no Jumuah
then you lied and lied and how ashamed can you be after running away from me and now you have the tragedy of shattering your lies in your own channel
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
I can see ur desperation. nyway , il start making a reply only after 7th. We could discuss d 2 ibarat & 1 hadith one by one. And post imam shafi's Ibarat which u distorted. Also make sure the ibarat u posted r complete. Ibn hajrs is a reapeat.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Yes
I can see your futile way of lying as usual
Who is Liar I will expose in your own channel
You are No:1 Ignorant and Liar will be proved
Do it after 7th or 8th or any day
Till I have rooh and Afiyath your lies will be exposed
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
From Fathul Baari ( 3-541)
There is a report that women should go to Eid prayers if its proven to be authentic then i will comment that it should be done
Imaam Baihaqi replies to this Ibarath of Shafi , Yes its proven to be authentic , therefore they should do it accordingly , yes from the hadeeth of Umm Atiyyah
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
the quoted is Fathul baari 2-109
Now who is liar you yourslf can judge
You think if you put some fake Kurafi (Samastha AP) speech comments we will go away
Do that in your dreams
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
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suhailyouseph 2 years ago
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suhailyouseph 2 years ago
4. Fathul Baari Askalanis Ibarath will be put to prove your ignorance
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
Ignorant Irfan
و صلت ألجمعة translate this
boy you shud be exposed wished this was on a public to let ppl knw how liar you all cud be
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
Sharahul Muhazzab (4-484)
و قذ نقل ابن و غيره الإجماع على أنها لو حضرت و صلت ألجمعة جاز و قذ ثبتت أل الحادثة الصحيحة
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
2. Arabic matn for Imaams Nawawi from Sharahul Muhazzab for Juma itslf will be put to show your ignorance
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
Its Isnaad is Saheeh as already mentione in Musnad Ahmed bin Hanbal
Go take it to your dirty liars who cheat you
You need more such narrations ? go study first before you even think of debating with us
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
Take the hadith no: Ahmed ( 6387)
Narrated by Ibn Umar
Go give to your arch liars Perod and UStad of liar Kanthapuram who take the other version of hadith it only means to ask doubt from Imam and not praying
So that they can flirt with them
We dont need to follow such corrupted ppl like the one in the screen who take ppl to Jahannam
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
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Take the matn of the hadith
قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم لا تمنعوا إماء الله ان يصلين في المسجد إسناده صحيح على شرط الشيخين
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
Take the Isnad of the hadith
حدثنا عبد الله حدثني أبي ثنا عبد الرزاق ثنا معمر عن الزهري عن سالم عن بن عمر وعن أيوب عن نافع عن بن عمر
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
1. I will put the matn of the hadith in arabic itslf that do not prevent your womenfolk for prayer itslf , hadith no: and narraotor
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
6. Imam Shafi explicityl saying WOMEN from the categorized category saying is Khair for them to attend Jumua will be put
Then as far as calling others members in my forum know who you are and what you and already verdicted your opinions and it was such a fact that you had to run away from there like a coward
and like a coward you had to delete many of my posts
You like usual is jus a laughing box for us
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
To rest of your lies
1. I will put the matn of the hadith in arabic itslf that do not prevent your womenfolk for prayer itslf , hadith no: and narraotor
2. Arabic matn for Imaams Nawawi from Sharahul Muhazzab for Juma itslf will be put to show your ignorance
3, Umm Atiya commanding tabi women to go will be put in Arabic itslf
4. Fathul Baari Askalanis Ibarath will be put to prove your ignorance
5. Imam Shafi and Baihaqis opinon will aslo be put
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(You mean the mujathahideen scholars used to take inauthentic and non sunnah opinions ? while zakariya salahi gives authentic and sunnah opinions ?)
Answ:
The rule and science of accepting and rejecting a narration is the one and same for all
Be it any scholar the rules are the same
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(When u deny & lie about facts, it might become a necessity)
what , to be a hooligan ?
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
Lie no :12
(if ur women come in shariah manner then y unload them 2 masjid only on friday, eids & taraweeh )
Prove I have told this statement as it is
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(Women who attend sunni classes come in full covering, most of them with a face veil and remain indoors most of the time.)
Check out the so called Sunni women who come to Jaarams
You think real salafis dress up inappropriate
Jus bcos you are a hypocrite and wants to defame us by your lies , the truth will not be lit away from your dirty lies
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(We follow Prophet SAW command of sending umm humayd home)
Lie No: 11
He only told its better for you to pray in your inner room
Did not say that you need to stay away
You are one big liar
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
Lie No: 10
(wrong. Ur message is ->O women attend the jumuah and jamaah as it is better than the homes)
Prove it else the name Irfan shoud be replaced as KAzaab
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
(Nor did Prophet SAW tell women to attend jumuah for ilm. So u think ur smarter then Prophet pbuh?)
Ans:
It proves you are an ignorant and who does not even have the common sense to understand women cant come to mosque at all times
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
Lie No: 9
(Prove it was after verse on hijab was revealed.)
Your contradictions itslf proves you are one big Liar
You yourslf is telling that Ayesha says Allahs messenger would have prevented them
So are the women at that time going after the verse of Hijab or before ?
After the wafath did any verse reveal ?
Yes we need to count your Lies cos you are Kurafi Samasta Liar
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
Utter PAthetic responses by you
I will reply to all your ignorances soon
You took a week to respond and see your response
Statements that does not have any worth refuting
and Lies till now you dint have the guts to prove them as yet
suhailyouseph 2 years ago
The Shaaf'i Sheikh Sulaiman Bujairmi (r) in Tuhfatul Habeeb Ala Sharhil Khateeb: "Women should not attend {the Musjid) whether they are young or old for Jamaa-at because of the
appearance of corruption .............Today the Fatwa is on total
prohibition in all the Salaat."
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Here are the opinion of more scholars as a gift for you:
In An-Nihaayah it is said;
"Our Fuqaha, base the illegality of women attending the Musjid on the prohibition declared by Hadhrat Umar
Ibn Khattaab (radhiallahu anhu). When he detected the mischief (fitnah which women had started to
introduce) he forbade their emergence. "
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(You are lucky this is not being shown in public forums
Else over there you will get exposed and ppl will mock at you as usual)
Its ok, u can direct the members there over here. before I do it myself.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(Lie no :7)
(Dont tell this to anyy Shafies they will laught at you)
(knw how a Shafi opinons are valued)
Looks who's talking. A lamadhabi. The shafi's in kerala take ibn hajr and ramli's opinion as the most mu'tammad position. Learn before commenting. There were the last revivers of the madhab.
(So answer this 8 Lies first if you can)
ur Kiddish counting propoganda will work only in calicut mujahid center.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
- Scholars like Allamah Aini and Dirmaani says the permissibility was given only during night time as the hadiths say.
- Imam nawawi himself says "a young woman or any similar who has a seductive effect" should not be permitted.
which is enough to refute the ijma on default permission to women.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
- Umar(r) disliked and hit his wife for going to masjid. Umar(r) would not dislike what Prophet SAW permitted.
- Imam Shafi(r) prohibited giving women permission to go for jumuah & jamaah.
- According to Imam Malik the hadith on permissibility apply only to old women.(umdatul Qari 6/157)
-According to Imam Abu Hanifah old women can come for fajr, maghrib, Isha. (Al-Hidaayah 1/61)
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Forthly, all I need to do to show there is no ijma on default permission of women in masjid is by command of Prophet SAW, Sahabah, and scholars.
- Prophet SAW prevented umm humayd(r) when she asked permission.
- ibn masud(r) & ibn umar(r) used to expel women from jumuah.
- Bilal(r) said that he would surely prevent women when Prophet SAWs hadith of not preventing at night was related to him by ibn Umar(who as mentioned also expelled women), because women would make that an excuse.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
So u can't derive ur baatil on allowing women today from Imam Nawawi's opinion.
Thirdly, My original point was:
"No report of women praying behind rasulullah SAW after verses on hijab were revealed.".
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(Ijmau for women coming to mosques and offering Jumuah was put)
(Imaam Nawawi - Sharahul Muhazzab Vol 4 -484)
First bring ibarat in arabic so I could check it.
Secondly imam nawawi whom u quote ur ijma from said that among the conditions of permissibility is :" that she not mix with men, that she not be a young woman or any similar [kind of
woman] who has a seductive effect, that there not be anything on the
way [to the mosque] that threatens any corruption/harm, etc."
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
The conduct of sahaba like umar(r), ibn masud(r), ibn umar(r), Aisha's(r) approval, etc and approval of sahaba over what the above did is enough to refute u. They understood the religion & command of Prophet SAW better then ur molvi's.
(Clinging onto weak and solitary opinions is yours)
I quoted around a dozen opinion of scholars. More coming up inshaallah. Everyone's watching ur source of opinions.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(You din quote a single proof from the lips of Rasoolullah to prevent women folk)
Why don't you quote a single proof from lips of Rasulallah SAW preventing women from leading the jamaah of men ?
Prophet SAW sent umm humayd home when she asked permission. Why don't you teach Prophet SAW that when a women ask permission we allow her ? did Prophet SAW say her to wear shariah clothing and pray in jamaah with men ?
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(You speak a 100 years but no ppl with brains will fall to your cheat)
direct them to here, before I do it myself. We will see how many then will fall for the wahabi deception.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
Sayyida Aisha(r) who was most knowledgable women among sahaba approved Umar(r) prevention. So how can u say, they did not. So bring ibarat to know where u went wrong.
In Nailul Autaar, the following narration appears:
"It (females going for the Eid Salaat) is forbidden. This has been narrated by Tirmizi on the authority of Thauri, Ibn Mubaarak. And, this is the view of Imaani Maalik Abu Yusuf. Ibn Qudaamah narrated it on the authority of Nakhi and Yahya Ibn Saeed Ansaari. "
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(BUT SAHABA WOMEN did not approve this and not only that the during the time of Rasoolullah what laws were valid in this regard the same were relevant after his Wafath also)
Bring the ibarat of this part. Approve what? which sahabi women ?Prophet SAW gave the law that the innermost parts of houses are better.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(Explaining this hadith Askalani tells that
during the period of Tabi due to Fitna the abie ppl might have stopped their young women)
another proof that tabii were sunni's not islahees and that they understood Prophet SAW command like sunni's and not islahees who encourage even when there is 21st century fitnah going on.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(Lie No: 6)
(Hafsa of Tabi generation narrates During Eid we used to forbid young women going for prayers)
shows hafsa(r) was a sunni.
(Umm Atiya herslf came and enquire this)
This does not mean she gave fatwah to tabii to allow going to eid gaah. What is related from her was the conduct during Prophet's (Saw) time. So u lied about fatwah of umm atiya(r) permitting the tabii women.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(You can tell that To Kurafi husband who take women everywhere excpet mosques half naked)
Maybe kuraafi's do along with salafees. Sunni's don't.
(Deira eid Gaah conducts pgm over than other than the two eids)
(So Lie No: 5)
Never heard before. Anyway its not a place where cows & dogs urinate, etc. Neither do they use it as playground, etc.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(To knw your distortion and your contradictins put the story full)
(Else you are a coward as usual)
I do not do someone else's homework. The story is well known. I dnt have time for typing it down. U can refer al- tamheed(1/243) of ibn abdal al bar. Ur propogandas don't work here. As mentioned before, Atika(r)did not dress up more and come to masjid again, ever. She stoped when she found the people were not people.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(Its not like that and you cut the major portion)
Prove its not. Nothing was cut from ur saying. Only ur own conclusion was cut.
If it was not ur conclusion then post the ibaarat in arabic. Also show that he explicitly stated "women" when mentioning about the exempted.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(To prove its a distortion
you need to prove i have lied)
Yes u have. Because imam shafi explicitly prohibited giving permission to women for jumuah & jamaah. So ur explaination of his words to mean permissibility of jumaah is a distortion.
(prove that i have cut)
(i have mistranslated)
same answer.
(Else what i quoted is bright as day too)
Only a dum person will find the dislike of praying zuhr before jumuaa' to mean ->go to masjid for jumuah.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(What desperate effort ? We have proved it clearly and what did Askalani say)
so have I provided his opinions that it is "incumbent on imam or representative to prevent women from emerging." when free mixing and "danger of misdemeanour" due to adornment and display of beauty occurs.
(Fear of mixing , Irfan is so much intersted in mixing and taking cams and recording)
Look who talking. The one who likes parading women on streets & cameras.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(Lie No:2)
(No where did we claim we are more knwlegable this is a lie on us)
If u did'nt think so, u would not claim having the qualification to check whether opinions of mujthahideen scholars are correct or not. In ur case all the scholars should be following you.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(We don believe in blind Taqlid like you do)
u believe in blind taqlid of zakariya, husain salafi & albani.
(and neither we formulate any rules)
thts why ur madhab contridicts each other in all most all issues and make baseless rulings.
(Thats your job who claim as Muqallid but the real Hypocrite Mujthahid who does not even have the brain of a chicken)
Look into the mirror.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(So you lie that we dont have rules more lie to follow)
Its well known ur madhab does not have any basis, methodology, proirity, etc to derive rulings. that's why all ur scholars contridict each other in nearly every issue.
(We accept based on the authenticity and proofs for any ones opinions)
If ur qualified to do that, u should start ur new "suhail" madhab.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(We are not monks and priests to set up rules and make someone follow manmade rules)
You mean all the scholars for 1400 yrs (who all followed madhabs) where following priests While your following of zakariya salahi does not make zakariya a priest? The Quran commanded those who don't know to take from those who know.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(Lie No:1
I have clearly stated the rule and the rule is opinions that are Sunnah and authentic we accept)
You mean the mujathahideen scholars used to take inauthentic and non sunnah opinions ? while zakariya salahi gives authentic and sunnah opinions ?
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(I dont encourage you to be a hooligan)
When u deny & lie about facts, it might become a necessity. I even had one of my old friends who I met invite me to a islaahi eid gaah for this eid. I denied as usual. After which i heard him talking to another friend about his intention of attending, which is to flirt with the females who attend there.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
If ur women come to mosque in shariah manner then why move them & deny their rights ? if ur women come in shariah manner then y unload them 2 masjid only on friday, eids & taraweeh ?
It is not the room, or women relaxing in the room, etc that is the problem. But women's jamaah with men in this manner, and encouraging women to come out of the house to pray in this compartment is the issue.
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago
(Ask this to Umar (R) itslf who kept seperate entrance for females and recorded in Muhalla of Ibn Hazm)
Suppossing it is authentic, separate doors is not a proof for ladies compartment in mosques. Did'nt the sahaba who prevented women from mosque think of ladies compartment ? Did Umar(r), Aisha(r), etc think of this ?
IrfanIbnIsmail 2 years ago