101 LIES OF THE PRE-MID-TRIBULATION RAPTURE EXPOSED AND REFUTED (INTRODUCTION)

[Sparda849]

1 Thessalonians 5:4-6

4My dear friends, you don't live in darkness, and so that day won't surprise you like a thief. 5You belong to the light and live in the day. We don't live in the night or belong to the dark. 6Others may sleep, but we should stay awake and be alert.

Jesus Christ will be a thief to the Children of the Devil but Jesus Christ will not be a theif to the Children of God.

[JoBernard12oxen]

@Sparda849 How does your comment relate to this video in particular?

[Sparda849]

@JoBernard12oxen My point shows that the rapture is a lie and it fights of the rapture lie.

[JoBernard12oxen]

@Sparda849 Thank you friend, sorry I was not so adept in my perception today. God bless you real good always, Jo

[sprinkle888]

"PRAY ALWAYS) that you maybe counted worthy to escape all these things that are coming to pass and to stand before the Son of man" Luke 21:36

[sprinkle888]

Pre-trib, mid-trib, Post-trib.....What did Jesus say Luke 12:40 - "You also must (be ready) all the time, for the Son of Man will come when least expected.”

BE READY!!!

[Myhopeisinhim]

so i don't even see why the people that reject eternal torment even believe in a resurrection of the dead as neither fits with their belief of a loving God.

You have to reject both really..but is that biblical?

[Myhopeisinhim]

people don't want to believe it because it doesn't comfort them and because it doesn't fit with their idea of God.

Curious, people deny this because it doesn't fit with their idea of a loving God. If this is their thinking, wouldn't this particular line of thinking stem to the question why would he even resurrect the unbelieving again..why not just leave them unresurrected? To resurrect just to kill again? What loving God would do that..wouldn't it be more merciful just to leave them alone?

[Myhopeisinhim]

@jennahwithanh

It seems each person brings their own comforting thoughts to the table. Pre-tribbers because it gives them comfort that they don't think they'll go through the trib. The disbelief in the existence of the unbelieving in the lake of fire also provides comfort for those who have had the unbelieving loved ones die.

Fact is bible says they shall have no rest day nor night..they shall be tormented day and night. No this isn't comforting but it is biblical.

[jennahwithanh]

(cont.) and "God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whomsoever should believe on Him should not PERISH, but have everlasting LIFE." everyone knows these verses, just don't seem to understand them through the cloud of deception mainstream Christianity has on this world. Read psalms. It's all there. The fire will burn whatever is combustible and then...and then, done. I don't know what else to say about that. It is eternal separation. Both sides don't get eternal life.

[JoBernard12oxen]

@jennahwithanh all that is written of fire, burning, flame, is figurative for living conditions without God which become so gruesome it is unbearable and impossible to describe in common words. Thus after all the judgment and all the rewards are handed out in Rev.22:15 the wicked are living just outside the gate of that heavenly city which is adorned with the Jerusalem which comes down from heaven.

[jennahwithanh]

(cont.) No, He was in there with them, protecting them. Is God's arm so short that He cannot save? Also, Jesus prayed for us not to be taken out of this world, but to be kept from harm. I know it's a comforting thought, but it simply isn't Biblical. Same thing with hell-fire. There is a lake of fire, but will not burn forever. The judgement will be forever, but not the fire. God in His mercy will cut off the unbelieving. "For the wages of sin is DEATH, but the gift of God is LIFE eternal."

[jennahwithanh]

The tribulation will come to all who are living in those days, not just the wicked. And by wicked, I mean unbelieving. Those are the ones who God did not allow to enter the Promised Land-the unbelieving. And they wandered in the desert until they died off. Did God take the Israelites out of Egypt when He sent the plagues upon them? No, He protected them. He told the Israelites to put blood on their doorposts as a sign of safety for them. Did he let Shadrach, Meeshach and Abednego be burned up?

[JoBernard12oxen]

This presentation reveals the lies of a rapture that is said to occur before the Lord's day, the only rapture (meeting in the air/gathering of the saints) in all of scripture occurs on the exact same day the Lord returns to destroy Satan kingdom, he destroys Satan's kingdom because they pass through the time of tribulation without repenting of their deeds.

jbbk888 should at least bring a legitimate argument Isa.26:20 is an illustration, it does not represent the entire teachings of a rapture.

[jbooks888]

One verse blows all this garbage away:

Isaiah 26:20

Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

[JoBernard12oxen]

@jbooks888 take the time to read you would learn that this verse is dealt with in its true meaning in this lesson "Lie 52.You can not build a belief about a rapture on Isa.26:20 It is merely an illustration of of the response God's people should take in the wake of the day the Lord day when he come to gather his army from the saints and destroy the powers of this world. and it is blindness to assume that the entire presentation is a lie, it exposes the lies, you can't accept the truth

[JoBernard12oxen]

@NakitaBenjamin2c I considered Post, but it is very very rare that people believe there will be a rapture after the tribulation and before the day of the Lord. It is true the Lord comes after the tribulation in all of prophecy but some believe there is a rapture after the tribulation and before Christ comes and I do not hesitate in proving that belief is wrong. There is one rapture one return all at the same time the Lord returns to destroy the kingdoms of this world and reign.

[GodsSeer]

YHVH does NOT PUNISH His people, He chastens us. Christ took our punishment. We ARE called to suffer and WRATH is NOT the same as tribulation. He said we will have tribulation, persecutions and all Saints who live GODLY, will suffer persecution.

[BlazyJon]

i also refute the pre, mid tribulation rapture. i hope you read my blog at meccasevenmountains dot blogspot dot com

[MsFreedom1974]

Great video. I will share this. I was raised believing the pre trib raptue. Now that I read the bible myself, things are so much different then what I was told. Thanks for making this. It upsets me when ppl preach on pretrib rap. I know I should be calm but I see ppl misleading ppl.This teaching is telling christains that they have a 2nd chance thru trib and they can cont in sin. That is so dangerous. God Bless you!!

[JoBernard12oxen]

@MsFreedom1974 Thank you so much for your encouragement, God bless and keep you, keep spreading the word of truth.

[isaiahawsum]

@JoBernard12oxen ok I'm confused. Ur later comments are anti christian, while ur earlier ones seem more pro Christ. Which are you?

[isaiahawsum]

@JoBernard12oxen the bible also says that Elijah was TAKEN by a fiery chariot into heaven. Obviously, the word 'took' doesn't remain a constant, such as the word 'bat' has multiple meanings.

[inspiralight]

Rev 11:17-19 is a prophetic glimpse. The beasts haven't even been introduced yet! It's just to assure believers that the saints WILL be REWARDED when Christ returns. It says a big NOTHING about where the saints come from.

Also: Rev 3:10 my "entire case"? Only if you ignore Luke 21:36

While we're at it, include Christ's 2 men in the field:"one will be taken, and the other left"

ADD UP the many clues. There REALLY is a rapture, but NOT pre-trib (nor post trib) but MID trib.

[JoBernard12oxen]

@inspiralight Rev.11 the Lord's day , notice vs15 says the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and his Christ and he shall reign: the prophetic message teaches that Christ destroys the kingdoms of this world on his return notice my vid of "The Lord's day return is the second coming" or the PDF at my website. the point is you are misapplying Rev.3:10 PERIOD an d now you are misapplying Luke 21:36 counted worthy to escape" is counted worth of God's protection not a rapture

[inspiralight]

@JoBernard12oxen You wrote: "you are misapplying Rev.3:10 PERIOD and now you are misapplying Luke 21:36" Actually, the only thing I'm misapplying is my time. I can't continue the discussion. God just told me something about not casting my pearls...You will get a big clarification right before the tribulation begins. Everyone will. Peace, out,

inspiralight

[JoBernard12oxen]

@inspiralight it is impossible for you to answer without revealing the rapture for what it is, one big lie after another, you don't like being found out, but even though I proved you wrong it is impossible for you to change, then you try scare tactics talkin about a clarification, you haven't earn the right to warn me of anything seeing that as it is you were the one proven wrong here and if it comes to choosing between who's right here I'd rather teach what Jam.1:12 says we must endure trib.

[jbooks888]

@JoBernard12oxen Yes! Endure tribulation etc, but NOT endure God's wrath. We are not appointed to suffer God's wrath.

[JoBernard12oxen]

@inspiralight How sad you poor thing you don't even realize that Jesus is talking about the uncertainty of the day of the Lord 2nd rtrn. Matt.24:36 to 44 and that's right just like in Noe's time they continued in sin and did not know Noe entered the ark until the flood "TOOK" them away (can you read) the one that is taken in the field is as those that are took in the flood; they are all the evil doers that are taken. Sad, very sad that you brain is perverted unto infinite blindness, very sad

[JoBernard12oxen]

@inspiralight That's all the rapturist are about, adding up their many misinterpretations to make conclusions, everything in the rapturist world is a conclusion: how bout taking the word at face value; it says the meeting in the air occurs at the exact same time as the sudden destruction: these events are preceded by a time when the entire world declares peace and safety as in after a time of world turmoil and danger as in after the tribulation Rev.11:17-19 rewards and destruction-same time.EZ

[JoBernard12oxen]

@inspiralight You really should see "The After Theme of the Lord's Day Second Coming Rapture Same Day " there's no way around the overwhelming proof that the meeting in the air, the gathering together of the Christians, and the changing of our bodies occur after all these events included in this video, spelled out in painful detail that you rapturist can not deny: but you will because God promised that not even all the truth of eternity can open your eyes because God sends you strong delusion

[JoBernard12oxen]

@inspiralight Luke 21:12-24 is world persecution upon the Christian disciples. When Jerusalem is about to be taken Jesus warns the Christians disciples to flee because great desolation is about to fall on them. The vengeance of the Lord is upon those that have forsaken him Isa.63:5 they shall be lead away captive as lit. Israel was and persecuted until Satan's time is fulfilled, from vs 25-36 explains the coming of the Son of man saints do escape the wrath of the day of the Lord's second coming

[JoBernard12oxen]

@inspiralight Rev.11:15-19 says these are the saints servants and prophets that shall receive their rewards in the reign of Christ, these are they which are of the first resurrection Rev.20:4, the dead in Christ which rise and the alive that remain which is said to "be with the Lord forever" it is the marriage of the Lamb mentioned in Rev.19:7-9 which is (again) AFTER and during the same time the great whore kingdom is destroyed. inspiralight you'll con't to deny plain truth regardless.

[JoBernard12oxen]

@inspiralight A direct reference to the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pits was made right there in Rev.11:7 You see inspiralight, that's just like you rapturist, every single time you open you mouth to say any one single thing a lie flies out, you just say things, you don't even have a case you all just make it up on the fly and try to lie your way through but you reveal yourselves for the liars you are, this is not the heart of those that love truth, it is not, you can't convince me.

[Myhopeisinhim]

@inspiralight

Compare revelation 3:10 with 2 Thess 3:3 and Jude 1:24

Also, compare Luke 21:36 with 1 Corinthians 10:13

If "keep you from", and "to escape" in these other verses don't mean being raptured out then why apply that interpretation to Rev 3:10 and Luke 21:36? Remember, when we look at other passages and see how phrases are applied, it can help us understand what other verses mean without adding assumption to it.

[Myhopeisinhim]

At what point of the tribulation, like seal wise, do you place the rapture?

[JoBernard12oxen]

@Myhopeisinhim the seals merely illustrate the weapons that are use of two eternal opponents in the war that spans the scope of all time Jesus and Satan are the two at war and they both have access through the Father to these weapons, accept the day of the Lord is specific Christ coming. The trumpets and plague illustrate the tribulation which begins "after" the worldwide persecution of the saints and intensifies during the time of the abomination of desolation.

[inspiralight]

@Myhopeisinhim The words "keep you" or "escape" don't have to MEAN rapture. They are ordinary words used to communicate an idea. They communicate the idea of a rapture if the thing you are being kept from, or the thing you are escaping is the "hour of trial that will come upon the whole world" (the Great Tribulation.) All Christians will endure SOME tribulation, those who are counted worthy will escape the GREAT Tribulation.

[Myhopeisinhim]

@inspiralight

Question, is there any man who has ever walked this earth that hasn't faced temptation? Temptation is rampant in the world today and getting worse...What is coming is a temptation to believe the great delusion, which everyone on this earth will face

Only those who are written in the book won't succumb to that temptation because we have been given the escape route. The only way to avoid giving in to temptation because he has given us the ability to overcome...

[Myhopeisinhim]

is in the name of Jesus. Nowhere does the bible show any gathering taking place before the tribulation or that we are taken out before..only that we will be kept from it...and kept in the bibles term means protected..Jesus will prevent us from accepting the delusion because we loved the truth.

Just as he keeps us from falling, he'll keep us from falling into that temptation to believe the antichrist. There is no verse that gives it another meaning...especially not when Jesus...

[Myhopeisinhim]

and Paul show that the day of his return and our gathering together unto him happens after the revelation of the antichrist.

[inspiralight]

@Myhopeisinhim What you say is true. That's why Rev.3:10 doesn't say "I will keep you from temptation(s) plural" which would be what you're talking about.

Instead it says I will keep you from THE (singular) "hour of temptation" that will come upon ALL the earth. Only the Great Tribulation is a singular trial that comes upon ALL the world. But as I've said, Christians are being kept only from the second half of it, and even that is only those who are counted worthy to escape all these things.

[Myhopeisinhim]

@inspiralight

You know what I mean...the term "keep you from" or "escape" does not mean a rapture in those passages, thus neither does it have to in Rev 3:10 or Luke 21:36..It means that just as he is able to keep us from falling to the temptation we have now, he will also keep us from falling in the hour of trial...and just as he provides escapes for us now as to avoid falling...he will provide that escape during the tribulation so that we don't fall to the delusion.

[Myhopeisinhim]

So that he will find us watching for him when he returns.

I believe the rapture occurs at the seventh trumpet and between the sixth/seventh seal, and not before then. It occurs at his coming, and just prior to the wrath.

[JoBernard12oxen]

@Myhopeisinhim Very well said, also the meeting in the air is in the same context when the Lord comes "as a thief in the night "when (after) they say (the whole world declares) peace and safety (as in after a time of tribulation) with sudden destruction, also II Tim 4:1 says we are judged at his appearing along with Rev.11:18 the saints, prophets and servants are judged at the same time the Lord comes and destroy them which destroyed the earth when, II Thess 2:8 Satan is consumed.

[JoBernard12oxen]

@inspiralight the hour of temptation same Greek word used in Jam1:12 does come upon all the world including Christians, it is a worldwide identification system which forces its participates to deny Christ, this is why the saints that are slain in Rev.14:13 Christ comes after the sixth and final plague of the tribulation, his Shepards, sheep, and little ones shall die and be persecuted Zac.13:7-9 We meet Christ in the air when Satan's kingdom is suddenly destroyed at Christ coming

[inspiralight]

Many correct observations, but you're too focused on exposing "lies" and not focused enough on providing a good explanation for Rev. 3:10 & Luke 21:36 (pray to be counted worthy to escape all these things). Clearly there IS some type of rapture that escapes at least part of the tribulation, just not every last bit of it as the pre-tribbers are hoping.

Pray for those who are drawn to these videos to mock them. Their mocking comments serve to hide the pain of living lives barren of any hope.

[JoBernard12oxen]

@inspiralight see Lie# 7 that Rev.3:10 is not the stand all verse to a rapture, in fact in this lesson it shows that the same word G3986 is used in Jam.1:12 promising that we must endure tribulation. You absolutely can not build your whole case around an hour of temptation that is not even specific to the"the tribulation" that's insanity; yeah right ignore all the rest of the bible, find a verse that looks like it might be saying what you want it to say and rest your entire case on that!...Nuts

[JoBernard12oxen]

@inspiralight Does it mean any thing to you at all that the meeting in the air is in the exact same context as the sudden destruction which is after the world declares peace and safety, as in after a time of world tribulation? Does it mean any one little thing to you that Rev.11:17-19 confirms that the saints, servants, and prophets of the Lord receive their rewards at the same time the Lord returns to judge, reign, and destroy those that destroyed the earth? if not, you are in delusion

[JoBernard12oxen]

@inspiralight I provide a complete and detailed explanation of Rev.3:10 in Lie # 7, to say that I did not means you did not even take the time to begin to review the lesson. This PDF is on my website easy to find why don't you look at it for yourself. Most rapturist have a belief not truth and as this video says they are under strong delusion and utterly reject any further reading for understanding, most of them will not change even if the truth is staring them in the face.How sad!

[inspiralight]

@JoBernard12oxen I took a look at your web site. What is sad is that you are being use to spread disinformation, and you don't even realize it. That IS a necessary part to play in the scheme of things until it's time for the truth to be revealed, but I wouldn't want to play that part. Offenses must come, but woe to him through whom they come. Something similar applies to those spreading disinformation. The Pre Trib rapture is a lie, post trib is also, but so is No-trib! You'll learn in due time.

[JoBernard12oxen]

@inspiralight The only disinformation I'm spreading is your lack reading. What's truly sad is that lazy people like yourself have the unmitigated gall to accuse others of disinformation when you're too dam lazy to read or listen to the videos. I've made it easy as I possibly can to prove the tribulation will fall on the world while the church is still in the world, that's why its so frustrating to have retarded people come on here accusing me of not making the trib. clear. Read

[TheSnowbord]

We are not wasting our time for death but we are preparing ourself for eternal life

[Wordavee1]

WASTING YOUR LIFE PREPARING FOR DEATH!!

[JoBernard12oxen]

@Wordavee1 IF YOU HATE RELIGION WHY DO WASTE YOUR TIME COMMENTING ON RELIGIOUS VIDEOS, SEEMS TO ME YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME., AND WHEN YOU WASTE TIME YOU WASTE THE LIFE GOD GAVE YOU.

[Wordavee1]

@JoBernard12oxen

As I said, Wasting your life preparing for the next!

I comment on video's like yours in the small hope that my voice will be heard,and people will be nudged away from extreme beliefs like yours. If you had never read Revelations, or indeed the whole bible, you would see it for the ravings of some drugged up lunatic, but instead, as you have been indoctrinated from childhood to believe there is some sort of divine message in that drivel, you become an alternative Harold Camping.