The saddest moment of a young boys life was when Tom baker regenerated. I remember freaking out I could not believe it. In the states I never saw the other doctors so I didn't know about the regenerations. I think I even cried. I could never get into Peter Davidson. I have come back lately though and I like Eccleston, and Tennent somewhat, but I really dig Rose she is so beautiful and hot.
I remember all that stuff about "The Watcher was The Doctor all the time" making no sense back then when it was first shown, and to be honest it makes even less sense now. I agree with the comment that this is the best looking regeneration of the classic era though, he almost glows in the way a regeneration looks nowadays.
@ZavCoyote Nooo. That 'Stone' thing was a spirit that had been following The Doctor for AGES. When the Doctor died it kinda sank into him and started the regeneration.
It's no secret that the new Doctor Whos are way better than the classical ones. No need to lie to seem nostalgic (and for some reason think that is linked with intelligence). Just watch "A Good Man Goes to War".
@GetInMyTardis people dont like the old ones because of nostalgia. I like the odl ones better coz of who they are. Tennant is so annyoing at times which the old doctors never had. Matt is great though!
@Uberdoctorwhofan1 It's because he merged with this thing called the Watcher to help his regeneration, it's appearance was the withered corpse Tom turned into which then turned into Davison.
Considering how short this clip is there's an awful lot of debate on other comments, somehow dragging David Tennant into the matter, some people say this look creepy and Peter looks odd in this, I used to hate his doctor, don't mind him so much now but I think in this scene he kind of looks like a woman, lol, kind of, if he looks fat it's because he's looking down quite a bit, makes anyone's chin go all blubby if you do that.
I'm not saying who was the BEST Doctor, I agree Tom Baker was tops. I'm saying the most tear-wrenching, pull out a case of tissues, make a grown Judoon cry regeneration scene was Tennant's.
@krustkore I thought it was more whiny & embarrassing than epic, like many of Tennant's "angry" performances, but to each his own I suppose. As far as NuWho goes I'll take Smith (or Eccleston for that matter) over Tennant any day. But like I said to each his own so don't get angry at me for expressing that opinion.
@JemmetGK I think they overdid it with all the "last goodbyes". It completely ruined the pathos for me. By the time Tennant got to the "I don't want to go" line I wanted to kick the screen in, especially after all that silly "dying" talk in the cafe earlier on. At least Cribbins was around for that one to keep things from getting too ridiculous, but seeing Tennant bawling like a baby despite the fact that the Doctor wasn't *actually* kicking the bucket but just changing his face was absurd.
Remember that when each Doctor regenerates, it's a wholey new person. Sure he has the vague memories of previous Doctors, but as it was with the first scripted regeneration, they were as memories of dreams. In effect that Doctor does die away.
But then some folks are a little colder hearted towards cinematic death scenes. Can't fault that.
@JemmetGK I see what you're saying, but the previous Doctors never saw regeneration as a form of death. Far from it; Eccleston called it a way to "cheat" death. K'anpo told Sarah Jane Smith it was a form of "renewal" that would prevent death when Pertwee was regenerating. Even Hartnell said "it's far from being all over" before he regenerated into Troughton. Also the Doctor's memories from a previous body were never considered dream-like, but first person just as if that body had lived them.
Very true, it was also a way to cheat the television ratings system. One Doctor isn't working out, getting decent ratings, bump 'im off and "renew" with a new actor. One of the most briliant franchise moves in teley history.
But the memories, they seem to have to grow--as if trying to remember a dream--and slowly (or quickly as the episode may be) getting that who-what-when-where. Remember Tom's regeneration, he didn't know who anybody was right off...
my question is why did he look all plastery for a bit...i know the watcher turned out to really be the doctor or something like that and they joined together...but...why plaster...XD
Tom Baker though good and many people's favorite did a long tour. The next generation played by Peter Davison was my hands down favorite however until Tennant came along.
@back2frinky Depends how you look at it. Everything has to change and bend with how society and the youth of today view things. Because that's what it's about, selling to the next generation, BBC make a profit on Doctor Who products and they have to shell them one way or another. That being said, as much as I enjoy the classic Doctor Who (up until the'96 movie) I think Eccelston was designed for failure, Tennant had shitty writing (at times) and Smith has a slot to fill. Failure by design.
@back2frinky Why d you flat out say baker is the best. his first three seasons were good but the rest were meh. in my opinion is that Davison is the greatest
@thatenglishkid because JNT was bastard. he was the RTD of classic who, writing whatever the fuck he wanted and pulling celebrity guest stars to make people want to watch it.
Since Steven Moffat has replaced Russel T Davies as the head writer / showrunner of Doctor Who, his regenerations will probably be different each time.
(Since Russell was the one who decided to make every regen the same during his run)
@JamiePS3Howitt Russell's choice for that was bullshit, what the fuck have the same regeneration? no one likes that idea nor Russell. Russel ruined dr who
@porqtevasjuan Have you seen the episode? If you have sorry, but it's because he combined with The Watcher from earlier in the episode, not that easy to explain if your wondering.
I wish they'd used this concept for Tennant's regeneration instead of the stupid light show. I like the idea of the Doctor withering to a corpse and then reconstituting in his new body. Just update it using CGI to make it look more organic and fluid.
This makes sense that each doctorre-genarates according to the means of his death. Tom baker fell off a tower, so it makes sense that he withers to a broken corpse. Both CE and DT absorbed massive amounts of energy or radiation. So exploding to release this energy works plotwise.
It would yes HOWEVER If you look at the Masters Regeneration in Utopia and the doctors half regeneration in journey´s end both looked VERY similar to each other and neither regenerations where caused by radiation.
Laser guns doesn´t produce radiations(the master was just shoot by a laser gun), as for the Dalekguns as the seventh Doctor clearly stated in Remembrance of the Daleks, a Dalek gun (when it kills you) doesn´t do it by radiation instead it scrambles your inside.
Basically the doctor´s organs was scrambled not radiated when he regenerated in Journey´s end.
@Erikjust mate, nerds like you give us sci fi fans a bad name. Can you just accept that they were shot by laser gun explanations and move on?? For fucks sake, who fucken cares?? Its a sci fi series (one I love to bits) but dont take it so seriously mate. Chill out and enjoy dr who for what it is.
Well i care :p anyways "the debate" got out of hand the original problem i had was that they reused the same regeneration sequence with David Tennant as with Christopher Eccleston and the master which i think is a pity since the previous Doctors all had their unique regeneration sequences´s (though some more cheap then the others) and it felt in a way like a cheap move just to reuse the same regeneration sequence rather then come up with a new one.
You got a point there David can at least brag about that he is one of the few doctor´s who have damaged the Tardis severally (and properly the only one who have set it on fire)
The other doctor who damaged the Tardis was the eight doctor in an audio play he made contain the explosion of an anti-reality bomb.
Not something the Tardis was particularly happy about.
yes but because all the other ones looked the same it was clarified that was a Time Lord regeneration for any kiddies watching. Russel says this in the confidential episode that accompanies utopia
@doctorwho1982 dude you call yourself a fan and this guy a nerd who obviously knows way more then you do. You just accept any explanantion and deny the real one. The doctor's were scrambled. This nerd gives us good name for having nerd fights because the show is very sci-fi. Dude You act like a fan but dont know shit
@Smallvillenerd real one? Its a sci fi show you dumbass! Its like that time xena appeared on the simpsons and she was feilding questions from nerds, at a comic convention, who looked too deeply into her show. They scrutinised every little detail so she had to end up saying "everytime you see something like that, a wizard did it" LOL
@Smallvillenerd there's no point arguing reason with doctorwho1982, he's utterly vile and hateful towards anyone who dares criticise his precious RTD era. He's the worst kind of fan, and he'll rant constantly. It's not worth it.
@sadako24 Oh no not the RTD era! It did suck pretty hard actually. I can beat this war against him. Just watch! I'll break him and his shitastic RTD era! For the sake of all True Dr Who fans :D
@Smallvillenerd RTD era was great, much better than the series 5 (although series 6 is a vast improvement on series 5 thus far, finally moffats bringing back some of the excitement from RTDs era).
@doctorwho1982 RTD era was shit, series 5 was great, the most solid season yet. RTD era was flawed and many of the epsidoes had stupid characters with cheesy dialogue aimed to be funny for kids. It just felt liek it was too much of a childish show not a show which anyone can enjoy. LOL Moffat bringing back the excitemnt RTD had? Bullshit, what a load of bullshit. RTD brought the gay factor in and all the big reveals were done horribly, especially Davros. And it also lacked good companions.
@Smallvillenerd season 5? Are you kidding? worst ratings of the dr who era yet and it was all over the place. The finale was crap and no single episode stood out at all. RTDs era had the likes of "dalek", blink, midnight, girl in the fireplace, family of blood, turn left, silence in the library & so many more outstanding episodes. Yes i realise many of the best ones were written by SM but i cant help thinking that it was RTDs fine tuning that must have made SM stories connect more with audiences
@doctorwho1982 ur just trying to get RTD to have done the best parts of the best episodes (moffat's) when in reality it was all Moffat! And coz ratings bad means the epsiodes are bad. Nice logic! And maybe none stood out coz they were ALL good. Where as in series 1-4 Moffat's and a couple other's stood out and the rest sucked. So i just took ur argument and used it against you. And the Daleks were overused.
@Smallvillenerd its just a matter of taste. Poor ratings for season 5 suggest that overall as a whole, most of the UKs taste suggests that it was a bad season. I felt it was missing the wow factor of RTDs era although I must say that season 6 shows a vast improvement. "Blink" and "girl in the fireplace" and "Silence in the library" were 3 of the best of RTDs era and possibly the best of the whole series. It had moffats unique style but with the substance & emotional connection of RTD.
@Smallvillenerd cont..That to me suggests that RTDs fine tuning as lead writer and editor improved and perfected moffats masterpieces. His stories in season 5 were more style over substance and lacked any emotional commitment from the audience. Moffat is talented but fell short in that dept that RTD was so good at. Together they were perfect. Season 6 thus far shows great promise, I hope moffat can keep delivering in the 2nd half.
@doctorwho1982 UK is very small though. And the "Bad Ratings" (it actually had normal so i don't knwo what the RTD worshipper is on about) aren't due to Moffat it's just people are recrodig the shows more! And RTD had nothing to do with the best parts of those episodes Shut the FUCK up ok stop talking shit about the show. RTD wrote some of the all time worst epsiodes! "Partners in Crime", "Love and Monsters", "Last of the Timelords", "New Earth". The worst Moffat has written is better to RTD.
@Smallvillenerd UK is very large part of the overall audience for WHO. Why else is BBC cutting dr whos season in half next year? I admit that season 6 is a return to form for WHO after dismal season 5 but it may be too little too late. I feel its like the 80's all over agin. I hope they dont cancel WHO. BTW love and monsters was great as was last of the timelords. LOved it.
@Smallvillenerd furthermore to that, Moffat in series 5 & 6 has still not done any episode that matches his "girl in the fireplace" "blink" or "Silence in the library/forest of dead" efforts although series 6 has managed to equal his slightly less magnificent "the empty child" 2 parter. I can only attribute this to RTDs editing. He may have finetuned the stories to add more substance to moffats incredible style and so what resulted was nothing short of Perfection. They make a good team
@doctorwho1982 Your making it sound that RTD's work on Moffat's episodes is why they were good. Shut the fuck up ok! RTD was a bad writer, deal with it. He actually called Dr who a drama show. Season 5 as you said was all over the place. Isn't that goood for dr who? It's time travel so it should be at different places. RTD always used Earth and the majority of his stories were set on present day earth. Now start saying some arguments without using RTD at all or it won't count!
@Smallvillenerd u dont have to be so aggro dude. Chill out. Its all a matter of opinion. I'll just say that RTDs era had great heart. Audiences felt connected to the characthers, it was ground in urban realism so it appealled to all people whether you were an old dr who fan, sci fi fan or not. This was missing in series 5 but has made a return in series 6 so I'm hoping that viewers come back & the BBC sits up & takes notice so they change thier minds on cutting dr whos season in half next year.
@kiwinazi69 I found series 5 to be the most solid if them all, it was more time travel which is mor elike the old series which is far superior but series 5 had that fairy tale element that doctorwho1982 or you probably didn't get so that's why you didn't enjoy serries 5 which had some greats: The Eleventh hour (Best opener to date), Time of Angels and Flesh and Stone (A rdie of thrills and spills), Amy's Choice (Great concept, original and funny!), Vincent and the Doctor (Beautiful) & the finale
@Smallvillenerd yes i did like the eleventh hour, the angels one was alright and amys choice was good but the rest were way below par. No comparison to the season greats of RTDs era. Season 6 is improving but I just hope moffat can keep it up. BBC have already cut season 12 in half as a result of lost viewership from season 5. What u dont get is that RTD pulled in non sci fi fans into dr who too. If dr who is to survive, moffat has to continue the quality of RTDs era as he is doin now in series6
@doctorwho1982 Season greats of RTd era: Series 1: Empty Child, Doctor Dances, Bad Wolf, Parting of the Ways, Series 2: Girl in the Fireplace, Age of Steel, Rise of the Cybermen, Impossible Planet, Satan pit
series 3: 42, Blink
series 4: Silence in the Library and forest of the dead
You get the point, the best eps of the RTD era were Moffat's, the worst of that era were mostly RTD. He's done some good epsidoes but overall he had more bad then good. Just actually look at the episodes.
@Smallvillenerd i can add to that list season one add "dalek", "fathers day", season two add "love and monsters" (a cheecky dig at obsessive WHO nerds) , "school reunion" the "doomsday 2 parter", Season 3 add "shakespeares code""gridlock" "human nature" "family of blood" "sound of drums" "last of the timelords" Season 4 add "fires of pompeii", "midnight" "turn left" davros two parter finale, Season 4.5 "waters of mars" "the end of time 2 parters". These can add to yr list of entertaining dr who
@doctorwho1982 Dalek is pretty pointless and has barely any plot. Shakespseare code is not a good nor bad epsidoe. Average so not adding it in. And BTW Moffat is not bringing in the "quality" of RTD's ear back in. He's bringing the quality in of the old series which is far superior to RTD's shitty era! Even if you don't like the new epsidoe plots and stuff, the dialogue and writing has improved alot more and doesn't feel like trying to be humour for kids
@Smallvillenerd thats one mans opinion and yr entitled to it but sadly yr taste is in the minority hence the poorer ratings and the BBCs decision to cut next years season in half. I want dr who to be successful as much as the next fan but dr who lost a lot of its mainstream audience (non hardcore WHO fans and sci fi fans) with last years dismal season. Season 6 is an improvement and return to the form seen in RTDs days IMO but its too little too late by the look of the BBCs decision for season 7
@doctorwho1982 I odnt care if it's successful to the "mainstream" i want it to be true to the classic series like it is now. Because i'm a true hardcore fan and if you don't like what i have to say you can go kiss Russel T Dipshit's ass! (The T in his name stands for Turd btw just to let you know. Afterlal you're a big Russel Turd Dipshit fan, i mean Russel T Davies)
@Smallvillenerd With that attitude, dr who is sure to get cancelled once again. You purist dr who fans just dont get it. Do you want to go back to dr who audio tapes and novels instead of watching a revived series? Get some perspective. Dr who under RTD was a phenomenom beyond measure and bought dr who back into the limelight but that light dulled with series 5 as mainstream audiences plummetted. Now moffats back on track but it may be too late. BBC already choppin next yrs season in half.
@doctorwho1982 they're gonna give 2013 series a full run though! and sorry I don't care if you want the show to appeal to a more mainstream audience and have it more safe and more of a drama. Dr who is a strong sc if and this all started when you called a true dr who fan a nerd. Please you haven't seen the old series you only watched and enjoyed the RTD era because it is more of a drama. I'm sorry i'm not talking to you anymore i rest my case. I'm not going to argue with a non dr who fan.
@Smallvillenerd no i think you heard wrong. Reports on the news said they were going to split season 2012 and 2013 in half. I grew up with dr who when tom baker was dr who. I've been a fan since then so i know about the old series. Moffat is finally gettin the drama element of dr who that was so successful in RTDs era right in series 6 but it may already be too little too late. I hope dr who dont get canned cos moffats mistake of caterin to dr who purists in season 5.
@doctorwho1982 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO Shut the fuck up! Ok I'm done here. sound slike im rage quiting but they never said 2013 was gonna get split. In fact nothing really should be official with2013 but its most likely getting a full run. 2012 is just getting a non full series. And the drama element doesn't have to be there so full on like when RTD was head writer and the show was falling apart especially towards the end of his run, It's good how it is. Anyways I'm just going to ignore you now.
@Smallvillenerd I hope yr right about 2013 but from what I read thats what the BBC said they were gonna do and steven moffat aint happy about it. RTDs drama element was magic and a consistent ratings winner. Whether you like it or not the reality is that straying too far from a successful formula results in less ratings which results in BBC choppin down seasons which ultimately can result in cancellation & hardcore fans goin back to dr who novels & audiotapes. I'm sure none of us want that.
@doctorwho1982 Series 5/6 haven't had the worst ratings, infact series 6 had the most ratigns for BBC america. besides who gives a fuck about ratings. I just want the show to be good, and with Mofat it is. I don't care nor do REAL fans care that the shows get "bad" ratings to the mainstream audience when Moffat actually makes it better. RTD was bad to the true dr who element. he may have got the drama element but not the Dr who.
@doctorwho1982 *facepalm* ddin't you read my comments, god? i didn't reply becoz i said im no gonna bother say anything to you coz you're just gonna make up all this bullshit like Steven mofat made the show worse and RTD was good and it sucks and all this and i really dont give a shit. It's an opinion not a fact so just get a life and get some friends and go away.
@Smallvillenerd think about it logically though, if dr who was still the ratings juggernaut it was under RTD, would the BBC really be cutting season 2012 & 2013 in half? Seriously, think about it. For dr who to survive, moffat has to do what he did in series 6 and keep the drama element alive. I dont want it to be cancelled and neither do you. On that I think we can both agree on.
@Smallvillenerd a fanatical hardcore fan has no limits to thier denial. Listen to yr last statement "they're not cutting series seven in half!!! they're just splitting it up across 2 years" LOL My friend, can you not see what you just said? the denial is clear. Surely you are intelligent enough to know what you just said. 2012 will see half a series of dr who and series 2013 will see half a series again. Less episodes my friend. why do you think that BBC have done this? Seriously, think logic
@Smallvillenerd series 2013 will be split and have only half the episodes. If dr who were still the ratings juggernaut of RTDs era, this would not be happening. Its sad but a reality we must face. Hopefully, the improved series 6 can pull back viewers that the dismal series 5 lost.
@doctorwho1982 dude The ratings barely dropped. The bottom line is that Doctor Who is fine and it won't be cancelled or cut down so just calm your horses down and stop thinking that RTD was the reason why everyone watched Dr Who, it has barely dropped!
@doctorwho1982 No they're not you RTD worshipping, disgrace of a fan! Read the news, they'r ehaving a full fucking serie sin 2013 and and series 7 will still have 14 episodes! If that is not true, neither are you. Wait and see, you Hideous, Demented RTD Fan.
@Smallvillenerd I didn't make this up. Its an article I read with moffat saying he was objecting to the fact that BBC have cut season 7 & 8 in half. If its true as you say that this is no longer the case, then I'll be happy too cos I want to see dr who survive. 14 episodes is a full series btw. Last years season had 13 episodes. I'll check the news to see if its true. Thanks.
@doctorwho1982 But Zardoz said to me that series seven and eight will get a full run. And sinced Zardoz said so, it's a fact. (If you don't know what or who zardoz is go look it up just like you "looked up" "Series seven and eight being cut in half") And are you sure it wasn't NOTHING
@Smallvillenerd I dont know who zardoz is mate, I got my info from an actual newspaper article that had interviewed steven moffat complaining about the BBC cutting series 6 and 7 in half. Who is Zardoz? Why do you think his word is fact over steven moffat?
@Smallvillenerd well hold on a second mate. First you say you got told by some dude called zardoz and now you sayin it came from an official site? Which was it? I want to believe you but you have some inconsitencies in yr stories so I want to verify it. What was the name of this official site? R u sure you got this info or are you fabricating it just for the sake of yr argument? I want to believe what u say is true cos i want dr who to survive but yr overzealous fanaticism leaves me doubtful
@Smallvillenerd dude calm down. Why are you so mad? I'm not going to say that its unofficial just to win an argument. I'm going to say its unofficial because its not true. Even the source from the site says its not sure whats happening but they do acknowledge BBCs plans to reduce next season in half. I hope yr right but my source comes from an actual newspaper article interviewing moffat.
@doctorwho1982 Moffat has always said the ratings are fine. He's right. Series 5 was joint second for highest rated series.
You can't just say "Oh, Episode 1 got this many. And last series they got this many". You have to consider 100's of factors. How many people were watching TV. Was it sunny outside. Was in summer or winter. Ratings double in the winter and the dark. Has Sky+ changed things? iPlayer too?
1 or 2 million people record Doctor Who every week. That didn't happen before.
@MrDan2593 yes but then again moffat and the bbc have to defend thier product. One has to wonder, if the ratings are so good, why would they cut the next two seasons in half? Why only produce half as many episodes for dr who if it is still the ratings juggernaut of the RTD era?
@doctorwho1982 I think the split was mainly to have a huge cliffhanger. Yet that "Huge cliffhanger" was a bit naff. I think Moff was trying to proof the the Beeb that the ratings are still good. When the show airs in the winter, it'll be darker and colder and naturally the ratings will be better.
@doctorwho1982 Also Series 6 is the most successful series in America. So successful, that combined with the success of Torchwood. BBC is going into partnership with Starz to start producing TV. Which means more budget after the licence pay was frozen.
@doctorwho1982 AND the 2013 series is not getting cut, you just made that up to try and make me and others believe Moffat era is dr who failing, the views are all the same and infact series 5 opener was the best so far! RTD has written ore stinkers than winners: Partners in Crime, the Long Game, Aliens in London, World War Three, etc. And if you're a Who fan why do you only care if it's successful to the mainstream, it still is but slightly less then before. Just enjoy the show, now go!
@doctorwho1982 Plus if you say you're an old series fan then you'd know that series5/6 didn't actually get the worst ratings. So fuck off. ll you care about is if Dr who the show gets 10 million views with the epsidoes actually being as shit as series 4 rather then them beign as great and original and fresh as Series 5 but have only 6 million views. My point made clear. So Go away back to your Hermit cave, so people can forget you again
@Smallvillenerd whats with the hostility? You hardcore sci fi fans are too intense and fanatical. Chill out dude. I aint yr arch enemy. I'm a dr who fan from way back. I wish you were right about series 5 & 6 havin good ratings but unfortunately thats not true. If it were the BBC would not be cutting season 12 & 13 in half. I hope you realise that. Besides as I said, RTD era vs moffat era bein good is matter of personal taste no doubt. Unfortunately yr taste is in the minority hence BBC decison
@doctorwho1982 You do realize that series/56 never had the worst ratigns of Dr who, plus people are recording them ,alot more so srsly actually take that in. Infact the lowest ever viewed episode of dr who was in the classic series. Whcih you claiming to have seen and know every bit about it, should of known. My opinion is that since YOU liked the RTD era, everyone liked it and no one watches the new series which is by far superior. HEAPS of people watch the Moffat era. So please go away
@Smallvillenerd I'm afraid yr mistaken there. I know people in the know. Like I said, moffat vs RTD is purely a personal matter of taste. Yr entitled to yr opinion but it must be said that it is a minority opinion hence the poor ratings of series 5/6. I know the BBC defended thier investment in the media by sayin people recorded dr who to watch later but that was damage control. Seriously, think logically. Would BBC slash 2012/2013 season in half if it were still the ratings juggernaut it was?
@Smallvillenerd cont...think about it. If DR WHO was still the ratings phenomenom it was when RTD was in charge, would the BBC be cutting it down over the next 2 years? I will say that season 6 has picked up the emotional connection from RTDs era and is a vast improvement on season 5 IMO but could be too little too late. Plus i am a big fan of the old series. Tom bakers era was my favourite, especially most of the 1st 3 seasons of his era. I was a little annoyed at RTDs dr who falling in love
@Smallvillenerd cont.. with Rose storyline becasue like many dr who fans of old we know that the dr never falls in love with his companions..or in love at all, but then I learnt to look past it & look at the positives. The dr cryin over masters death rubbed me the wrong way too cos thats so out of line with the past series but i look at it this way later.dr who must fall in love at some stage cos for continuities sake cos the 1st dr is travelling with his grand daughter..timey wimey etc i know
@Smallvillenerd cont..and the dr cryin over the masters death...well I ratinalised to myself that this dr has lost his entire race, & he killed them so he is a little more messed up and emotional than his previous incarnations. I know RTD messed with the DR WHO formula much to many purists dislike but I for one still appreciated it overall. It had new twists on the old WHO formula, some I liked, others I disliked at first but in retrospect learnt to appreciate for what it was.
@Smallvillenerd yes you can adore the show but just remember that its not real. There will be continuity errors in the show that have no elaborate explanation. Its just like in that simpons episode where the nerds were asking xena stupid questiona that went something like "in episode X the winged horse had a bolt on the left side but in the next scene the bolt appeared on the right side etc etc" and she just said "everytime u notice something like that, a wizard did it".
@Smallvillenerd cont...then just as another nerd stands up to ask a similarly stupid question Xena just says "Wizard" before he has a chance to finish his sentence LOL This remind me of some of the overzealous nerds here.
@rigostar14 the fuck man? that is the totally opposite view of what a regeneration is. its a sad moment for healing not joyful destruction. bloody tennant >implying trauma induced regeneration can be controlled
The saddest moment of a young boys life was when Tom baker regenerated. I remember freaking out I could not believe it. In the states I never saw the other doctors so I didn't know about the regenerations. I think I even cried. I could never get into Peter Davidson. I have come back lately though and I like Eccleston, and Tennent somewhat, but I really dig Rose she is so beautiful and hot.
rainbirdeleven 2 days ago
Me: Knock, Knock!
Friend: Who's there?
Me: Doctor.
Friend: Doctor Who?
Me: Hehe. *Laughs*
GET IT?
stich983 6 days ago
*sniffs* this makes me feel very sad
mrmarcus12t5 1 week ago
Tom Baker was my very first Doctor and I'm 15 this year.
PeppermintCereal 2 weeks ago
@PeppermintCereal Now exactly how is that relevant?
KrisGabby 1 week ago
@KrisGabby It's Doctor Who XD
PeppermintCereal 1 week ago
@PeppermintCereal I mean the fact that you're 15 this year.
KrisGabby 1 week ago
that was fast
warriorr8991 3 weeks ago
@warriorr8991 3's was faster.
TheGreatRukh02 3 weeks ago
0:14 Double chin!
QueenDarkCloud2 1 month ago
@QueenDarkCloud2 Tee-hee! ;o)
Nornegest 1 month ago
Why the second he stopped regenerating the doctor looked fat?
rtuckerivey 1 month ago
This is very hard to watch... Tom Baker is my favorite...
musashihumar 2 months ago
And I still don't like to see him go....
jamesknight626 2 months ago
creepyer back then.
shyguy54321 3 months ago
I remember all that stuff about "The Watcher was The Doctor all the time" making no sense back then when it was first shown, and to be honest it makes even less sense now. I agree with the comment that this is the best looking regeneration of the classic era though, he almost glows in the way a regeneration looks nowadays.
IAN1107 3 months ago
I quite like this music, its nice and calm and relaxing :) I'm too young but did anyone watch this episode when it first aired?
randomhouse123456789 3 months ago
this is my favorite regen my doctor was the 5th one
MattDuesk 4 months ago
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9 absorbed the time vortex to save rose,
10 took the energy of the nuclear bolt
and 4 fell off a radio tower. How embarasing. He should of said "Crud, I was saving that regeneration!"
TheDeepEndShow1 4 months ago
He committed Blasphemy! HE DESTROYED ONE OF THE SCARVES!!!
Kingkahn222 4 months ago
torchwood miracle day- rtd is the man
doctorwho1982 5 months ago
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BigRedUnderpants1 5 months ago
So basically he turned into stone, and his body was moulded inside and then the stone kinda melted.
Ok.
ZavCoyote 5 months ago
@ZavCoyote Nooo. That 'Stone' thing was a spirit that had been following The Doctor for AGES. When the Doctor died it kinda sank into him and started the regeneration.
MrDan2593 5 months ago
@TheShagamer ...calm down...
LucidDivinity 6 months ago
what the heck is the white part of his regeneration ?
angila4447 6 months ago
ewwwwww
Motachwa09 6 months ago
where did all that hair go?
McKnowledge1000 7 months ago
AL GORE WAS THE 5TH DOCTOR???
ProjectOutcast 7 months ago
They should have ended the show here.
sadako24 7 months ago
@sadako24 worst idea in history
Smallvillenerd 7 months ago
It's no secret that the new Doctor Whos are way better than the classical ones. No need to lie to seem nostalgic (and for some reason think that is linked with intelligence). Just watch "A Good Man Goes to War".
GetInMyTardis 7 months ago
@GetInMyTardis people dont like the old ones because of nostalgia. I like the odl ones better coz of who they are. Tennant is so annyoing at times which the old doctors never had. Matt is great though!
Smallvillenerd 7 months ago
He looked dead
quenchgumyumyum 9 months ago
@quenchgumyumyum he kinda is...
Harrydbla 8 months ago
@Harrydbla well yeah ik but he looks like hes crumbling
quenchgumyumyum 8 months ago
This little serenade is brought to you by Sierra Entertainment.
Squiglypig 9 months ago
The Doctor: healed by goofy looking pancake make-up.
JamesOhGoodie 9 months ago
this has a little more effects than the 3rd on.just by a tad though!
MrAzazds 9 months ago
lol the regenerations were far less destructive back then then they are now :P
phillproductions2 9 months ago 48
best looking regeneration of the classic series in my opinion
jhibbitt1 10 months ago 20
0:04 OMG WTF was his regenoration about to fail? That blob of skin and vains didn't look very healthy!
Uberdoctorwhofan1 10 months ago
@Uberdoctorwhofan1 It's because he merged with this thing called the Watcher to help his regeneration, it's appearance was the withered corpse Tom turned into which then turned into Davison.
MrThermomanPreacher 10 months ago
Can some one do me a small favor? Make a vid where the fifth doctor does the leek-spin with his stick of celery.
Id make it but i dont have the right tools.
Uberdoctorwhofan1 10 months ago
at 0:08 it should do horror music like eee eee eee
Punkrock3011 11 months ago
Considering how short this clip is there's an awful lot of debate on other comments, somehow dragging David Tennant into the matter, some people say this look creepy and Peter looks odd in this, I used to hate his doctor, don't mind him so much now but I think in this scene he kind of looks like a woman, lol, kind of, if he looks fat it's because he's looking down quite a bit, makes anyone's chin go all blubby if you do that.
I love the musical score on this.
doctorwhoobawooba 11 months ago
I LIVE NEAR THERE!
CardClashersHub 11 months ago
music sounds like original hitchhikers
chocolatefountain95 1 year ago
ahhhhhhhh he doesnt even look like a doctor! wow from all the doctor who i seen thisd is the fattest!
ilaughs1000 1 year ago
ahhhhhhhh he doesnt even look like a doctor!
ilaughs1000 1 year ago
For me the tear jerkers in times of science fiction are the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 9th doctor regenerations and the blakes 7 finale
CYBERDOODY 1 year ago
First regeneration I ever saw....awesome.
blackphoenix77 1 year ago
Saddest moment in Doctor Who history.
Nacho2333 1 year ago
@Nacho2333
Naa'
I'd say Tennent's leaving was the biggest tear-jerker.
JemmetGK 1 year ago
@JemmetGK NO Tom Baker was by far the waaay better Doctor its sad to see him go.
Nacho2333 1 year ago
@Nacho2333
You missunderstand...
I'm not saying who was the BEST Doctor, I agree Tom Baker was tops. I'm saying the most tear-wrenching, pull out a case of tissues, make a grown Judoon cry regeneration scene was Tennant's.
JemmetGK 1 year ago
@JemmetGK i have to agree with that....him saying, "but i don't want to go" was epic
krustkore 1 year ago
@krustkore
I understand that was actually add-libed.
JemmetGK 1 year ago
@krustkore I thought it was more whiny & embarrassing than epic, like many of Tennant's "angry" performances, but to each his own I suppose. As far as NuWho goes I'll take Smith (or Eccleston for that matter) over Tennant any day. But like I said to each his own so don't get angry at me for expressing that opinion.
icemachine79 11 months ago
@JemmetGK I think they overdid it with all the "last goodbyes". It completely ruined the pathos for me. By the time Tennant got to the "I don't want to go" line I wanted to kick the screen in, especially after all that silly "dying" talk in the cafe earlier on. At least Cribbins was around for that one to keep things from getting too ridiculous, but seeing Tennant bawling like a baby despite the fact that the Doctor wasn't *actually* kicking the bucket but just changing his face was absurd.
icemachine79 11 months ago
@icemachine79
Remember that when each Doctor regenerates, it's a wholey new person. Sure he has the vague memories of previous Doctors, but as it was with the first scripted regeneration, they were as memories of dreams. In effect that Doctor does die away.
But then some folks are a little colder hearted towards cinematic death scenes. Can't fault that.
JemmetGK 11 months ago
@JemmetGK I see what you're saying, but the previous Doctors never saw regeneration as a form of death. Far from it; Eccleston called it a way to "cheat" death. K'anpo told Sarah Jane Smith it was a form of "renewal" that would prevent death when Pertwee was regenerating. Even Hartnell said "it's far from being all over" before he regenerated into Troughton. Also the Doctor's memories from a previous body were never considered dream-like, but first person just as if that body had lived them.
icemachine79 11 months ago
@icemachine79
Very true, it was also a way to cheat the television ratings system. One Doctor isn't working out, getting decent ratings, bump 'im off and "renew" with a new actor. One of the most briliant franchise moves in teley history.
But the memories, they seem to have to grow--as if trying to remember a dream--and slowly (or quickly as the episode may be) getting that who-what-when-where. Remember Tom's regeneration, he didn't know who anybody was right off...
JemmetGK 11 months ago
the fifth was my favourite. people who just flat out say baker or tennant are the best really suck shit!
Smallvillenerd 1 year ago
WHO THE HELL PRESSED THE DISLIKE BUTTON!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
doctorwholover1993 1 year ago
by far the creepiest of the regenerations
patches11111 1 year ago
my question is why did he look all plastery for a bit...i know the watcher turned out to really be the doctor or something like that and they joined together...but...why plaster...XD
DarkJoker7 1 year ago
Tom Baker though good and many people's favorite did a long tour. The next generation played by Peter Davison was my hands down favorite however until Tennant came along.
SaintIrish 1 year ago
The fourth Doctor's last words will be my last words.
DoctorWhoCenterFilms 1 year ago
@DoctorWhoCenterFilms What were they?
lajollacat 1 year ago
Incredible special effects. Seamless.
Sconz32 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Tom Baker owns the role. NuWho is complete sh!t.
back2frinky 1 year ago
@back2frinky Depends how you look at it. Everything has to change and bend with how society and the youth of today view things. Because that's what it's about, selling to the next generation, BBC make a profit on Doctor Who products and they have to shell them one way or another. That being said, as much as I enjoy the classic Doctor Who (up until the'96 movie) I think Eccelston was designed for failure, Tennant had shitty writing (at times) and Smith has a slot to fill. Failure by design.
EpicProWrestling 1 year ago
@back2frinky Why d you flat out say baker is the best. his first three seasons were good but the rest were meh. in my opinion is that Davison is the greatest
Smallvillenerd 1 year ago
I love the way the theme tune is incorporated at the end of the regeneration!
CaptainAndyman 1 year ago
Ugh, I hated that episode. They shouldn't have booted Tom Baker.
couchpatatoe51 1 year ago
they did not boot him.
tom quit himself.
DALEK86 1 year ago 4
@DALEK86 To be fair, tensions were rising between Tom and JNT and they both agreed it would be for the best.
thatenglishkid 1 year ago
@thatenglishkid because JNT was bastard. he was the RTD of classic who, writing whatever the fuck he wanted and pulling celebrity guest stars to make people want to watch it.
OmegaShenron6574 1 year ago
No one "booted" Tom Baker, he decided to leave. Get your facts straight before throwing judgements like that around.
ApocalypseNext 1 year ago
@couchpatatoe51 they didnt boot Tom, nor did he quit. all of the doctors new and old had a 3 year contract but eventually expired. even matt smith
Codelyokofanatic319 1 year ago
@Codelyokofanatic319 That was a long three years then for Tom, seeing as he did 7. And Colin did two (on-screen).
thatenglishkid 1 year ago
@thatenglishkid really? i thought the contracts were only for 3 years... O__o this is embarassing
Codelyokofanatic319 1 year ago
Since Steven Moffat has replaced Russel T Davies as the head writer / showrunner of Doctor Who, his regenerations will probably be different each time.
(Since Russell was the one who decided to make every regen the same during his run)
JamiePS3Howitt 2 years ago
@JamiePS3Howitt Russell's choice for that was bullshit, what the fuck have the same regeneration? no one likes that idea nor Russell. Russel ruined dr who
Smallvillenerd 1 year ago
@JamiePS3Howitt RTD was full of dumb ideas that'd ruin the show
Smallvillenerd 7 months ago
why did he look all white
porqtevasjuan 2 years ago
@porqtevasjuan You need to watch the story.
thatenglishkid 2 years ago 2
doctor who in the olden days didnt have very good special effects,dont get me rong im a big fan of doctor who but.........well yeah....
stuuk1958 2 years ago
@porqtevasjuan Have you seen the episode? If you have sorry, but it's because he combined with The Watcher from earlier in the episode, not that easy to explain if your wondering.
doctorwhoobawooba 11 months ago
that looked creepy..
pipuk3 2 years ago 64
I have a dvd of this very episode!
Engiepengie 2 years ago 2
Tom Baker tuning into Peter Davison
mollydasiy7 2 years ago
I wish they'd used this concept for Tennant's regeneration instead of the stupid light show. I like the idea of the Doctor withering to a corpse and then reconstituting in his new body. Just update it using CGI to make it look more organic and fluid.
roystonlodge 2 years ago 3
i like the new regenerations mor4e fun and distructive
rigostar14 2 years ago 43
yes but not so unique as the other doctors if you look at all the previous regenerations each of them where different.
I really thought David Tennant deserved his own unique Regeneration not just a remix of Christopher Eccleston´s.
But that´s just my opinion.
Erikjust 2 years ago 4
You`re right. They were just lazy
CYBERDOODY 2 years ago
This makes sense that each doctorre-genarates according to the means of his death. Tom baker fell off a tower, so it makes sense that he withers to a broken corpse. Both CE and DT absorbed massive amounts of energy or radiation. So exploding to release this energy works plotwise.
jamiegoddard4 2 years ago
It would yes HOWEVER If you look at the Masters Regeneration in Utopia and the doctors half regeneration in journey´s end both looked VERY similar to each other and neither regenerations where caused by radiation.
Erikjust 2 years ago
@Erikjust wrong, both were caused by radiation from a laser gun.
doctorwho1982 2 years ago
WHAT??? That´s bullshit if i ever heard it.
Laser guns doesn´t produce radiations(the master was just shoot by a laser gun), as for the Dalekguns as the seventh Doctor clearly stated in Remembrance of the Daleks, a Dalek gun (when it kills you) doesn´t do it by radiation instead it scrambles your inside.
Basically the doctor´s organs was scrambled not radiated when he regenerated in Journey´s end.
Erikjust 2 years ago
@Erikjust mate, nerds like you give us sci fi fans a bad name. Can you just accept that they were shot by laser gun explanations and move on?? For fucks sake, who fucken cares?? Its a sci fi series (one I love to bits) but dont take it so seriously mate. Chill out and enjoy dr who for what it is.
doctorwho1982 2 years ago
Well i care :p anyways "the debate" got out of hand the original problem i had was that they reused the same regeneration sequence with David Tennant as with Christopher Eccleston and the master which i think is a pity since the previous Doctors all had their unique regeneration sequences´s (though some more cheap then the others) and it felt in a way like a cheap move just to reuse the same regeneration sequence rather then come up with a new one.
Erikjust 2 years ago 4
@Erikjust fair enough. True, each regenration was unique. I get that.
doctorwho1982 2 years ago
@Erikjust I agree with you
It is kinda sad that they keep using the same process over and over again
Still, al least when David regenerated, the tardis sent up in flames which was unique
gamersunite26 2 years ago 2
You got a point there David can at least brag about that he is one of the few doctor´s who have damaged the Tardis severally (and properly the only one who have set it on fire)
The other doctor who damaged the Tardis was the eight doctor in an audio play he made contain the explosion of an anti-reality bomb.
Not something the Tardis was particularly happy about.
Erikjust 2 years ago
@Erikjust not only that but the tardis did get battered in david time with the master around too.
thewizard99 2 years ago
yes but because all the other ones looked the same it was clarified that was a Time Lord regeneration for any kiddies watching. Russel says this in the confidential episode that accompanies utopia
0willbecome100 2 years ago
@doctorwho1982 dude you call yourself a fan and this guy a nerd who obviously knows way more then you do. You just accept any explanantion and deny the real one. The doctor's were scrambled. This nerd gives us good name for having nerd fights because the show is very sci-fi. Dude You act like a fan but dont know shit
Smallvillenerd 1 year ago
@Smallvillenerd yr another anal nerd with a stick up yr ass. Who cares mate!
doctorwho1982 1 year ago
@Smallvillenerd real one? Its a sci fi show you dumbass! Its like that time xena appeared on the simpsons and she was feilding questions from nerds, at a comic convention, who looked too deeply into her show. They scrutinised every little detail so she had to end up saying "everytime you see something like that, a wizard did it" LOL
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@doctorwho1982 Am i not allowed to act likes it real because im a true fan who adores the show?
Smallvillenerd 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd there's no point arguing reason with doctorwho1982, he's utterly vile and hateful towards anyone who dares criticise his precious RTD era. He's the worst kind of fan, and he'll rant constantly. It's not worth it.
sadako24 7 months ago
@sadako24 Oh no not the RTD era! It did suck pretty hard actually. I can beat this war against him. Just watch! I'll break him and his shitastic RTD era! For the sake of all True Dr Who fans :D
Smallvillenerd 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd RTD era was great, much better than the series 5 (although series 6 is a vast improvement on series 5 thus far, finally moffats bringing back some of the excitement from RTDs era).
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@doctorwho1982 RTD era was shit, series 5 was great, the most solid season yet. RTD era was flawed and many of the epsidoes had stupid characters with cheesy dialogue aimed to be funny for kids. It just felt liek it was too much of a childish show not a show which anyone can enjoy. LOL Moffat bringing back the excitemnt RTD had? Bullshit, what a load of bullshit. RTD brought the gay factor in and all the big reveals were done horribly, especially Davros. And it also lacked good companions.
Smallvillenerd 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd season 5? Are you kidding? worst ratings of the dr who era yet and it was all over the place. The finale was crap and no single episode stood out at all. RTDs era had the likes of "dalek", blink, midnight, girl in the fireplace, family of blood, turn left, silence in the library & so many more outstanding episodes. Yes i realise many of the best ones were written by SM but i cant help thinking that it was RTDs fine tuning that must have made SM stories connect more with audiences
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@doctorwho1982 ur just trying to get RTD to have done the best parts of the best episodes (moffat's) when in reality it was all Moffat! And coz ratings bad means the epsiodes are bad. Nice logic! And maybe none stood out coz they were ALL good. Where as in series 1-4 Moffat's and a couple other's stood out and the rest sucked. So i just took ur argument and used it against you. And the Daleks were overused.
Smallvillenerd 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd its just a matter of taste. Poor ratings for season 5 suggest that overall as a whole, most of the UKs taste suggests that it was a bad season. I felt it was missing the wow factor of RTDs era although I must say that season 6 shows a vast improvement. "Blink" and "girl in the fireplace" and "Silence in the library" were 3 of the best of RTDs era and possibly the best of the whole series. It had moffats unique style but with the substance & emotional connection of RTD.
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd cont..That to me suggests that RTDs fine tuning as lead writer and editor improved and perfected moffats masterpieces. His stories in season 5 were more style over substance and lacked any emotional commitment from the audience. Moffat is talented but fell short in that dept that RTD was so good at. Together they were perfect. Season 6 thus far shows great promise, I hope moffat can keep delivering in the 2nd half.
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@doctorwho1982 UK is very small though. And the "Bad Ratings" (it actually had normal so i don't knwo what the RTD worshipper is on about) aren't due to Moffat it's just people are recrodig the shows more! And RTD had nothing to do with the best parts of those episodes Shut the FUCK up ok stop talking shit about the show. RTD wrote some of the all time worst epsiodes! "Partners in Crime", "Love and Monsters", "Last of the Timelords", "New Earth". The worst Moffat has written is better to RTD.
Smallvillenerd 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd UK is very large part of the overall audience for WHO. Why else is BBC cutting dr whos season in half next year? I admit that season 6 is a return to form for WHO after dismal season 5 but it may be too little too late. I feel its like the 80's all over agin. I hope they dont cancel WHO. BTW love and monsters was great as was last of the timelords. LOved it.
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@doctorwho1982 i agree totally with kiwinazi69 comments.
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@doctorwho1982 all because he complimented RTD
Smallvillenerd 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd furthermore to that, Moffat in series 5 & 6 has still not done any episode that matches his "girl in the fireplace" "blink" or "Silence in the library/forest of dead" efforts although series 6 has managed to equal his slightly less magnificent "the empty child" 2 parter. I can only attribute this to RTDs editing. He may have finetuned the stories to add more substance to moffats incredible style and so what resulted was nothing short of Perfection. They make a good team
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@doctorwho1982 Your making it sound that RTD's work on Moffat's episodes is why they were good. Shut the fuck up ok! RTD was a bad writer, deal with it. He actually called Dr who a drama show. Season 5 as you said was all over the place. Isn't that goood for dr who? It's time travel so it should be at different places. RTD always used Earth and the majority of his stories were set on present day earth. Now start saying some arguments without using RTD at all or it won't count!
Smallvillenerd 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd u dont have to be so aggro dude. Chill out. Its all a matter of opinion. I'll just say that RTDs era had great heart. Audiences felt connected to the characthers, it was ground in urban realism so it appealled to all people whether you were an old dr who fan, sci fi fan or not. This was missing in series 5 but has made a return in series 6 so I'm hoping that viewers come back & the BBC sits up & takes notice so they change thier minds on cutting dr whos season in half next year.
kiwinazi69 7 months ago
@kiwinazi69 I found series 5 to be the most solid if them all, it was more time travel which is mor elike the old series which is far superior but series 5 had that fairy tale element that doctorwho1982 or you probably didn't get so that's why you didn't enjoy serries 5 which had some greats: The Eleventh hour (Best opener to date), Time of Angels and Flesh and Stone (A rdie of thrills and spills), Amy's Choice (Great concept, original and funny!), Vincent and the Doctor (Beautiful) & the finale
Smallvillenerd 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd yes i did like the eleventh hour, the angels one was alright and amys choice was good but the rest were way below par. No comparison to the season greats of RTDs era. Season 6 is improving but I just hope moffat can keep it up. BBC have already cut season 12 in half as a result of lost viewership from season 5. What u dont get is that RTD pulled in non sci fi fans into dr who too. If dr who is to survive, moffat has to continue the quality of RTDs era as he is doin now in series6
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@doctorwho1982 Season greats of RTd era: Series 1: Empty Child, Doctor Dances, Bad Wolf, Parting of the Ways, Series 2: Girl in the Fireplace, Age of Steel, Rise of the Cybermen, Impossible Planet, Satan pit
series 3: 42, Blink
series 4: Silence in the Library and forest of the dead
You get the point, the best eps of the RTD era were Moffat's, the worst of that era were mostly RTD. He's done some good epsidoes but overall he had more bad then good. Just actually look at the episodes.
cont...
Smallvillenerd 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd i can add to that list season one add "dalek", "fathers day", season two add "love and monsters" (a cheecky dig at obsessive WHO nerds) , "school reunion" the "doomsday 2 parter", Season 3 add "shakespeares code""gridlock" "human nature" "family of blood" "sound of drums" "last of the timelords" Season 4 add "fires of pompeii", "midnight" "turn left" davros two parter finale, Season 4.5 "waters of mars" "the end of time 2 parters". These can add to yr list of entertaining dr who
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@doctorwho1982 Dalek is pretty pointless and has barely any plot. Shakespseare code is not a good nor bad epsidoe. Average so not adding it in. And BTW Moffat is not bringing in the "quality" of RTD's ear back in. He's bringing the quality in of the old series which is far superior to RTD's shitty era! Even if you don't like the new epsidoe plots and stuff, the dialogue and writing has improved alot more and doesn't feel like trying to be humour for kids
Smallvillenerd 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd thats one mans opinion and yr entitled to it but sadly yr taste is in the minority hence the poorer ratings and the BBCs decision to cut next years season in half. I want dr who to be successful as much as the next fan but dr who lost a lot of its mainstream audience (non hardcore WHO fans and sci fi fans) with last years dismal season. Season 6 is an improvement and return to the form seen in RTDs days IMO but its too little too late by the look of the BBCs decision for season 7
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@doctorwho1982 I odnt care if it's successful to the "mainstream" i want it to be true to the classic series like it is now. Because i'm a true hardcore fan and if you don't like what i have to say you can go kiss Russel T Dipshit's ass! (The T in his name stands for Turd btw just to let you know. Afterlal you're a big Russel Turd Dipshit fan, i mean Russel T Davies)
Smallvillenerd 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd With that attitude, dr who is sure to get cancelled once again. You purist dr who fans just dont get it. Do you want to go back to dr who audio tapes and novels instead of watching a revived series? Get some perspective. Dr who under RTD was a phenomenom beyond measure and bought dr who back into the limelight but that light dulled with series 5 as mainstream audiences plummetted. Now moffats back on track but it may be too late. BBC already choppin next yrs season in half.
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@doctorwho1982 they're gonna give 2013 series a full run though! and sorry I don't care if you want the show to appeal to a more mainstream audience and have it more safe and more of a drama. Dr who is a strong sc if and this all started when you called a true dr who fan a nerd. Please you haven't seen the old series you only watched and enjoyed the RTD era because it is more of a drama. I'm sorry i'm not talking to you anymore i rest my case. I'm not going to argue with a non dr who fan.
Smallvillenerd 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd no i think you heard wrong. Reports on the news said they were going to split season 2012 and 2013 in half. I grew up with dr who when tom baker was dr who. I've been a fan since then so i know about the old series. Moffat is finally gettin the drama element of dr who that was so successful in RTDs era right in series 6 but it may already be too little too late. I hope dr who dont get canned cos moffats mistake of caterin to dr who purists in season 5.
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@doctorwho1982 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO Shut the fuck up! Ok I'm done here. sound slike im rage quiting but they never said 2013 was gonna get split. In fact nothing really should be official with2013 but its most likely getting a full run. 2012 is just getting a non full series. And the drama element doesn't have to be there so full on like when RTD was head writer and the show was falling apart especially towards the end of his run, It's good how it is. Anyways I'm just going to ignore you now.
Smallvillenerd 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd I hope yr right about 2013 but from what I read thats what the BBC said they were gonna do and steven moffat aint happy about it. RTDs drama element was magic and a consistent ratings winner. Whether you like it or not the reality is that straying too far from a successful formula results in less ratings which results in BBC choppin down seasons which ultimately can result in cancellation & hardcore fans goin back to dr who novels & audiotapes. I'm sure none of us want that.
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@doctorwho1982 Series 5/6 haven't had the worst ratings, infact series 6 had the most ratigns for BBC america. besides who gives a fuck about ratings. I just want the show to be good, and with Mofat it is. I don't care nor do REAL fans care that the shows get "bad" ratings to the mainstream audience when Moffat actually makes it better. RTD was bad to the true dr who element. he may have got the drama element but not the Dr who.
Smallvillenerd 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd i take it by yr non reply that you might finally agree with me?
doctorwho1982 6 months ago
@doctorwho1982 *facepalm* ddin't you read my comments, god? i didn't reply becoz i said im no gonna bother say anything to you coz you're just gonna make up all this bullshit like Steven mofat made the show worse and RTD was good and it sucks and all this and i really dont give a shit. It's an opinion not a fact so just get a life and get some friends and go away.
Smallvillenerd 6 months ago
@Smallvillenerd think about it logically though, if dr who was still the ratings juggernaut it was under RTD, would the BBC really be cutting season 2012 & 2013 in half? Seriously, think about it. For dr who to survive, moffat has to do what he did in series 6 and keep the drama element alive. I dont want it to be cancelled and neither do you. On that I think we can both agree on.
doctorwho1982 6 months ago
@doctorwho1982 THEY'RE NOT CUTTING SERIES SEVEN IN HALF!!!! you idiot. They're just splitting it up across the two years
Smallvillenerd 6 months ago
@Smallvillenerd a fanatical hardcore fan has no limits to thier denial. Listen to yr last statement "they're not cutting series seven in half!!! they're just splitting it up across 2 years" LOL My friend, can you not see what you just said? the denial is clear. Surely you are intelligent enough to know what you just said. 2012 will see half a series of dr who and series 2013 will see half a series again. Less episodes my friend. why do you think that BBC have done this? Seriously, think logic
doctorwho1982 6 months ago
@Smallvillenerd series 2013 will be split and have only half the episodes. If dr who were still the ratings juggernaut of RTDs era, this would not be happening. Its sad but a reality we must face. Hopefully, the improved series 6 can pull back viewers that the dismal series 5 lost.
doctorwho1982 6 months ago
@doctorwho1982 dude The ratings barely dropped. The bottom line is that Doctor Who is fine and it won't be cancelled or cut down so just calm your horses down and stop thinking that RTD was the reason why everyone watched Dr Who, it has barely dropped!
Smallvillenerd 6 months ago
@doctorwho1982 No they're not you RTD worshipping, disgrace of a fan! Read the news, they'r ehaving a full fucking serie sin 2013 and and series 7 will still have 14 episodes! If that is not true, neither are you. Wait and see, you Hideous, Demented RTD Fan.
Smallvillenerd 6 months ago
@Smallvillenerd I didn't make this up. Its an article I read with moffat saying he was objecting to the fact that BBC have cut season 7 & 8 in half. If its true as you say that this is no longer the case, then I'll be happy too cos I want to see dr who survive. 14 episodes is a full series btw. Last years season had 13 episodes. I'll check the news to see if its true. Thanks.
doctorwho1982 6 months ago
@doctorwho1982 But Zardoz said to me that series seven and eight will get a full run. And sinced Zardoz said so, it's a fact. (If you don't know what or who zardoz is go look it up just like you "looked up" "Series seven and eight being cut in half") And are you sure it wasn't NOTHING
Smallvillenerd 6 months ago
@Smallvillenerd I dont know who zardoz is mate, I got my info from an actual newspaper article that had interviewed steven moffat complaining about the BBC cutting series 6 and 7 in half. Who is Zardoz? Why do you think his word is fact over steven moffat?
doctorwho1982 6 months ago
@doctorwho1982 Well i got my info from an official site that got this news seven days ago so... FACE!
Smallvillenerd 6 months ago
@Smallvillenerd well hold on a second mate. First you say you got told by some dude called zardoz and now you sayin it came from an official site? Which was it? I want to believe you but you have some inconsitencies in yr stories so I want to verify it. What was the name of this official site? R u sure you got this info or are you fabricating it just for the sake of yr argument? I want to believe what u say is true cos i want dr who to survive but yr overzealous fanaticism leaves me doubtful
doctorwho1982 6 months ago
@doctorwho1982 Doctor Who TV you little stuck up bastard. Also you probs just going to say its unofficial or not true so that you win this argument.
Smallvillenerd 6 months ago
@Smallvillenerd dude calm down. Why are you so mad? I'm not going to say that its unofficial just to win an argument. I'm going to say its unofficial because its not true. Even the source from the site says its not sure whats happening but they do acknowledge BBCs plans to reduce next season in half. I hope yr right but my source comes from an actual newspaper article interviewing moffat.
doctorwho1982 6 months ago
@doctorwho1982 you mean cut in half the seasons are being cut in half 1 spring season one autum season with one story arc linking the two
brigeboy95 5 months ago
@doctorwho1982 Moffat has always said the ratings are fine. He's right. Series 5 was joint second for highest rated series.
You can't just say "Oh, Episode 1 got this many. And last series they got this many". You have to consider 100's of factors. How many people were watching TV. Was it sunny outside. Was in summer or winter. Ratings double in the winter and the dark. Has Sky+ changed things? iPlayer too?
1 or 2 million people record Doctor Who every week. That didn't happen before.
MrDan2593 5 months ago
@MrDan2593 yes but then again moffat and the bbc have to defend thier product. One has to wonder, if the ratings are so good, why would they cut the next two seasons in half? Why only produce half as many episodes for dr who if it is still the ratings juggernaut of the RTD era?
doctorwho1982 5 months ago
@doctorwho1982 I think the split was mainly to have a huge cliffhanger. Yet that "Huge cliffhanger" was a bit naff. I think Moff was trying to proof the the Beeb that the ratings are still good. When the show airs in the winter, it'll be darker and colder and naturally the ratings will be better.
MrDan2593 5 months ago
@doctorwho1982 Also Series 6 is the most successful series in America. So successful, that combined with the success of Torchwood. BBC is going into partnership with Starz to start producing TV. Which means more budget after the licence pay was frozen.
MrDan2593 5 months ago
@doctorwho1982 AND the 2013 series is not getting cut, you just made that up to try and make me and others believe Moffat era is dr who failing, the views are all the same and infact series 5 opener was the best so far! RTD has written ore stinkers than winners: Partners in Crime, the Long Game, Aliens in London, World War Three, etc. And if you're a Who fan why do you only care if it's successful to the mainstream, it still is but slightly less then before. Just enjoy the show, now go!
Smallvillenerd 6 months ago
@doctorwho1982 Plus if you say you're an old series fan then you'd know that series5/6 didn't actually get the worst ratings. So fuck off. ll you care about is if Dr who the show gets 10 million views with the epsidoes actually being as shit as series 4 rather then them beign as great and original and fresh as Series 5 but have only 6 million views. My point made clear. So Go away back to your Hermit cave, so people can forget you again
Smallvillenerd 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd whats with the hostility? You hardcore sci fi fans are too intense and fanatical. Chill out dude. I aint yr arch enemy. I'm a dr who fan from way back. I wish you were right about series 5 & 6 havin good ratings but unfortunately thats not true. If it were the BBC would not be cutting season 12 & 13 in half. I hope you realise that. Besides as I said, RTD era vs moffat era bein good is matter of personal taste no doubt. Unfortunately yr taste is in the minority hence BBC decison
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@doctorwho1982 You do realize that series/56 never had the worst ratigns of Dr who, plus people are recording them ,alot more so srsly actually take that in. Infact the lowest ever viewed episode of dr who was in the classic series. Whcih you claiming to have seen and know every bit about it, should of known. My opinion is that since YOU liked the RTD era, everyone liked it and no one watches the new series which is by far superior. HEAPS of people watch the Moffat era. So please go away
Smallvillenerd 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd I'm afraid yr mistaken there. I know people in the know. Like I said, moffat vs RTD is purely a personal matter of taste. Yr entitled to yr opinion but it must be said that it is a minority opinion hence the poor ratings of series 5/6. I know the BBC defended thier investment in the media by sayin people recorded dr who to watch later but that was damage control. Seriously, think logically. Would BBC slash 2012/2013 season in half if it were still the ratings juggernaut it was?
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd cont...think about it. If DR WHO was still the ratings phenomenom it was when RTD was in charge, would the BBC be cutting it down over the next 2 years? I will say that season 6 has picked up the emotional connection from RTDs era and is a vast improvement on season 5 IMO but could be too little too late. Plus i am a big fan of the old series. Tom bakers era was my favourite, especially most of the 1st 3 seasons of his era. I was a little annoyed at RTDs dr who falling in love
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd cont.. with Rose storyline becasue like many dr who fans of old we know that the dr never falls in love with his companions..or in love at all, but then I learnt to look past it & look at the positives. The dr cryin over masters death rubbed me the wrong way too cos thats so out of line with the past series but i look at it this way later.dr who must fall in love at some stage cos for continuities sake cos the 1st dr is travelling with his grand daughter..timey wimey etc i know
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd cont..and the dr cryin over the masters death...well I ratinalised to myself that this dr has lost his entire race, & he killed them so he is a little more messed up and emotional than his previous incarnations. I know RTD messed with the DR WHO formula much to many purists dislike but I for one still appreciated it overall. It had new twists on the old WHO formula, some I liked, others I disliked at first but in retrospect learnt to appreciate for what it was.
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd yes you can adore the show but just remember that its not real. There will be continuity errors in the show that have no elaborate explanation. Its just like in that simpons episode where the nerds were asking xena stupid questiona that went something like "in episode X the winged horse had a bolt on the left side but in the next scene the bolt appeared on the right side etc etc" and she just said "everytime u notice something like that, a wizard did it".
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@Smallvillenerd cont...then just as another nerd stands up to ask a similarly stupid question Xena just says "Wizard" before he has a chance to finish his sentence LOL This remind me of some of the overzealous nerds here.
doctorwho1982 7 months ago
@jamiegoddard4 wel no for the last bit, russell T davies just kept the same regeneration
Smallvillenerd 1 year ago
@rigostar14 the fuck man? that is the totally opposite view of what a regeneration is. its a sad moment for healing not joyful destruction. bloody tennant >implying trauma induced regeneration can be controlled
OmegaShenron6574 1 year ago