You're smart.. so i don't see why you do this unless you have an ulterior motive. I can't picture someone smart as you, as well-spoken as you, actually believing the swiss-cheese you tried to feed me.
Post-abortive, pro-choice, no regrets. I'm also a mother, a nurse, a wife. I've yet to hear a single anti-abortion argument that has not been parroted countless times before, that I haven't utterly dessimated countless times before. No matter who the person is, if they are pro'life' and get into a debate with me, they eventually dissolve into personal accusations/insults, mockery, denial, or they resort to twisting words or clinging to a religious belief as a last resort. I have NEVER once -c
-c heard a single argument that made any sense, or that has been completely fair and honest, come from the pro'life' side. I've never been spoken to fairly or honestly by a single pro'life'r, and have been threatened, insulted, falsely accused, even been denied my own OPINIONS and had my personal life history and experiences 'corrected' by pro'life'rs who are too insecure to face the mere possibility that someone might be different from their stereotype-ideal of all pro-choicers. Vid=no diff.
@ryddelwearsahat: I used to be pro-choice, but I changed my mind. Everyone has to come to their own conclusion through logic, reason, factual evidence, and experience (all of them...not just one, etc.) For me, I've yet to hear any new arguments from the anti-life side of the argument: they're still in 1973 or something. I'd like to hear one. Also, what about the numbers of pregnancies from rape that are ended by abortion...when are we finally get some verifiable data on that exhausted claim?
@englishteach26 I don't care about the rape card. I'm quite up-to-date. It's not about rape to me- but it is about consent. =)
Consent to sex for humans is not consent to breeding- humans aren't goats going in/out of estrus, sex means more to us and always ahs- so the argument that sex=babies is dust. specially since the glorious invention of birth control, aboriton, and adoption.
..if there was consent, did all those women just.. change their mind? In denial?
@ryddelwearsahat: It sounds like you are trying to make several different points, but they are so conflated that I'm not sure where one point ends and another begins. However, while reproduction is not the only reason human beings have sex, the act of sex does equal conception. Birth control might act to interfere with conception, but sex is how the human race reproduces. That's just a scientific fact. However, do you equate abortion with contraception?
@ryddelwearsahat: What I was pointing out in the video about the 'rape' argument is that there are no verifiable statistics for pregnancies from reported rapes that were ended in abortion. When a woman reports a rape, the police take her to the hospital where she is given contraception, which is why a pregnancy usually never happens. However, anti-lifers, when they feel as if they are on the ropes, always resort to some argument such as "but if you were raped and were going to have a baby," etc
@englishteach26 ...who cares if it's by rape or consentual sex? The result is the same if it is unwanted- it is unwanted. I don't differentiate between the two b/c I don't care or need to care about pity-games for rape vics and blame-games towards women who had consentual sex- I just care about whether or not that woman, no matter her circumstances, is pregnant and whether or not her needs are being met, be they adoption services, childcare services, OR abortion services, -c
-c depending on her wants and needs. Yes, I do equate abortion with contraception- b/c contraception doesn't stop egg and sperm from meeting and dividing, it prevents implantation- two wholly different concepts... and something many anti-choicers know, yet fail to comment on even though technically, preventing a conceived egg from implanting a form of abortion, lol.. hypocrites 'USE PROTECTION OR BIRTH CONTROL'
Ha..
Anyway- yes, sex is reproduction.. but not ONLY -c
-c reproduction, and until it is ONLY to breed like goats in estrus, I'll stand for sexual rights and decimate the will of anyone trying to nazi people's personal lives and business. It's something I'm good at.
Overall.. there's no reason to be anti-abortion unless you have a bone to pick w/ people themselves.. and not the actual issue of killing human tissue... b/c that's /all/ an embryo or fetus is.. developing human tissue w/o any form of personal context.
@AbortionKillsBabies Don't harass people in clone accounts of pro-choice users b/c you're too fucking scared to say it in your original account and show everyone what a shitforbrains troll you are-
choose HONESTY
..by the way, triple-K, tell us all again, please, why you think poorly of white women who date/marry black men?
Why don't you think black men are good enough to date white women? Is it for the same reason you harass people based on their sexual orientation? KKK?
@ryddelwearsahat: "there's no reason to be anti-abortion unless you have a bone to pick w/ people themselves.. and not the actual issue of killing human tissue... b/c that's /all/ an embryo or fetus is..." That is most untrue. You should read some prenatal books. I was for abortion until I did, when we were expecting our first daughter.
@ryddelwearsahat: "I'll stand for sexual rights and decimate the will of anyone trying to nazi people's personal lives and business. It's something I'm good at..." Actually, the Nazi's were fervent supporters for abortion.
@englishteach26 ACTUALLY the nazis executed aryan women who had abortions.. or sent em' to rape camps. They only supported abortion for non-aryans, and they FORCED abortion, regardless- I don't, and nobody with half a brain supports FORCE here, so either way.. that argument has done a bunk. And, also- if you compare abortion to the holocaust, I'll assume you're an anti-semite.
Oh, I'm a nurse- I know all about fetal development. A fetus is nothing like a newborn except in shape.
@ryddelwearsahat: "and nobody with half a brain supports FORCE here..." Interesting that you say that. I've heard testimony from young women who went to Planned Parenthood for what they thought was advice and counseling about dealing with unplanned pregnancies. Instead of providing these services, the PP people acted likes salespersons for abortion and leaned heavily on this young women to get abortions. I wouldn't say PP tries to FORCE...they are just very aggressive in their salesmenship. ;-)
@englishteach26 Well, were the jews thinking, feeling, independent people? Were they killed for the sake of survival and physical independence, or were they murdered based on their race, religion, ect?
If you seriously compare a developing embryo or fetus to a jew and see no difference, or see any correlation at all, I have to say you are stupid, at the very least, to be incapable of grasping the fundamental flaw in that.. Intention, context, circumstance.. none are similar. -c
-c And at the worst, that you do the victims of the holocaust a greast disservice by reducing their genocide to a petty medical procedure performed on thoughtless, memory-less, opinion-less, parasitically-dependent developing human bodies for the sake of health, be it physical or mental, of the woman carrying it... if I may put it bluntly.
You make it all accidental- b/c noone gets pregnant TO abort.. or they shouldn't, anyway. It's not like women scream DIE UNTERMENSCH -c
-c as they pop the pill or get on the table. It's not about race, religion, sexual orientation, or anything.. I can't stress that enough to put that any more clearly.. it's about them, their future, and their needs.
the fetus has no context.
The jews certainly had context- they were rats, according to the nazis.
Now, I don't agree w/ pressuring women or teens into aborting any more than i do adoption or keeping a a child. I don't deny it happens, and I agree THAT is a sick -c
-c waste of time, money, care, and thought.. but at the same time I don't see it as any different that a por'life'r teling a 3wk pregnant teenager that her baby can ehar her, loves her, and that it'll get chopped up in agony and that if she keeps it she'll be so happy and she'lle vner regret it and she won't be poor..
The pushers on both sides should have their heads cut off. Sharp-toothed predators, pro-choice and pro'life'. They don't represent me, nor, hopefully, you. -c
-c Lastly.. as for fetal brain development.. I'm curious which studies you use, how informative they are, and whether or not they're 'fact's bought/paid for by some church organization like the majority of pro'life' 'medical facts' are.. you know.. the ones that claim an 8wk fetus(not embryo?) is 11inches long and can recongize it's mother's voice?
It's not even conscious until born, due to a chemical released en utero that keeps it unconscious.
@ryddelwearsahat: By that reasoning, if it were true, we could excuse the murder of almost any human being who was in a basic state of sleep (which is, after all, unconsciousness).
@englishteach26 Oh, not at all- I mean.. again, context and circumstances are completely different. That sleeping person is not inside of someone else, nor is anyone physically required to sustain them.. once born, all human care of the handicapped, young, and old are on a free-will basis, and no life-support-humans necessary.. That sleeping person still has memories, besides.. and a fetus is just a blank disc.
Completely different circumstances and another baseless claim.
@englishteach26 Oh, not at all. I have plenty of links to support my claims of the embryonic/fetal brain.. and even w/o websites it's not hard to understand that we are born knowing literally nothing, at all, whatsoever, right?
I wasn't born hating the judeo-xtain religion, liking lady gaga, or wanting to be a humanitarian.. I didn't conceive liking the colors black and green.. were you?
Did you?
Other than basic electrical/chemical impulse, claiming the fetus is as fully -c
-c present between the ears as you or I, or even a newborn.. is an insult to how we develop.
Oh, your 19mo old can survive w/o you easily- anyone can care for her once born. She doesn't 'need' to be part of ONLY you to exist and live once born.. an if you can't care for her or tire of it, there's adoption.
@ryddelwearsahat: No...that's not it. What I mean is that if someone didn't care for my 19-month-old, if she were taken from us, left in the woods, and abandoned, then she could not survive. (Remember, Tarzan is only a story.) Even if, by some miracle, she managed to walk her way into the next town, how could she explain to the people who she was, what happened, and where her mom and dad were?
@ryddelwearsahat: My point is, how do we decide who is a person and who is not? The whole 'survive independently' argument is shifty, and it is arbitrary. I think it is more logical, more scientifically sound, and socially safer, to say that a person is a person at the moment of conception...and let's leave flawed, corrupted human thinking out of it. Period.
@englishteach26 Easy- independence and a functioning brain. That easily encompasses all of the born living human populace, regardless of age, race, ect..
The only born living humans I'd not consider people are those poor mistakes w/ anencephaly- look that up- and tell you agree that that is an actual life.
Being a person is more than having living human meat- my foot is living meat, but it can't think or feel or love. It's also part of a thinking individual's body. fetus=ditto
@ryddelwearsahat So you're saying if your mom ends up in a coma, on life support, void of thought, that she is no longer a person. I'm actually pro-choice (very reluctantly), but your argument is flawed and nonsensical. Its is scientifically fact that life begins at conception. You simply cannot argue that and expect anyone to take you serious. To deny that life begins at conception, is like a creationist denying the age of the earth.
@englishteach26 ..and.. in other words, you're copping out w/ a smooth implication that I'm corrupt and flawed...
..is it b/c I'm not swayed by emotionally-manipulative 'analogies' that make no sense outside of BEING emotionally-manipulative to the mentally weak, the cowardly, and the stupid?
..preying on those of weaker wills is what is corrupt. That is dangerous to bully people w/ implications and baseless arguments.
@ryddelwearsahat: I got to go to work. We can discuss it later. However, just because you do not share some of my values about life, culture, and society, that does not mean that I am lying or trying to mislead people. You can agree or disagree, but I am compelled by conscious and belief to say what I say.
@ryddelwearsahat: Thinks like "gaga lady" are arbitrary fashions of cultural taste, and are far different than what makes up our own personalities, our disposition towards the world, our tastes, and our character ethos...as a father of two girls, I can swear that all of these things already exist, and biological science has proven much of this already.
@englishteach26 Oh, genetic programming is something else entirely.. yes, all embryos/fetuses have genetic programming.. but who cares about pre-written coding? THAT only goes.. so far. And we aren't just our genes.. and that genetic programming does nothing while in the womb. The fetus grows, permanently unconscious until born, and permanently parasitic until born.
@ryddelwearsahat: I think that genetic programming is more than nothing. We don't even have the wisdom yet to truly understand all of what is in our genes...not yet.
@englishteach26 ....and..? That cryptic comment means nothing to me- except an attempt at manipulation, once again, this time w/ fear of the possible unknown, instead of guilt for an abandoned baby.
@ryddelwearsahat: "That sleeping person is not inside of someone else, nor is anyone physically required to sustain them..." That sound rather arbitrary to me. After all, while my 19-month-old daughter can breath and feed herself (if we put the food in front of her), how long could she survive without the care of her mom and dad?
@ryddelwearsahat: For me, a pro-lifer, the enemy is not the mothers at all. I want to help them because I think they are victims in this as well, though to a lesser extent than the babies. The enemy here is a small, elite, well-funded group of people who want power over people's lives and who also, for some reason I can't explain (evil perhaps), hate human beings and traditional values.
@englishteach26 ...I'm not a victim, lol. Victims do not benefit or prosper from being victimized- and I did. You could apply those claims and accusations of those in the abortion industry to anyone, anywhere else, in any part of the medical industry, period, b/c medicine=money. You could also say the same of the catholic church, but in that case, it would be frighteningly true, and not just a prejudiced misunderstanding of reason/context.
@ryddelwearsahat: I do not know of any other branch of the medical industry that specializes in destroying life. 99.9% of all doctors and nurses I know want to preserve life. The abortion industry is a separate issue from the rest of the medical profession.
@ryddelwearsahat: You need to calm down and not resort to puerile insults and name-calling. That is beneath human dignity. Also, do not forget who brought the Nazis into the conversation. It was not me. I merely pointed out that the Nazis were fine with abortion...the abortion of people that they viewed as inconvenient or a drag on their society.
@englishteach26 Oh, I originally menat 'nazi' in the verb sense.. but whatever. The intention is there if someone feels the need to police and control someone else based on prejudices and/or a petty opinion/ideal they'd prefer be made into fact..
The nazis weren't 'fine' w/ abortion, they were fine w/ genocide- the 'humans' to them were aryans- and they treated their 'fellow human' w/ contempt for aborting.. hanging, shooting, torture, rape-re-impregnation.. they were pro-life.
@ryddelwearsahat: "they treated their 'fellow human' w/ contempt for aborting.. hanging, shooting, torture, rape-re-impregnation.. they were pro-life..." For Germans, non-Jewish people. According to Nazi moral philosophy, German babies did not inconvenience society and they wanted more of them...for sociological and eugenic reasons. However, this was a small group of people in Europe. Any other pregnancy (most of Europe's population) was inconvenient, and used planning to eliminate them.
@englishteach26 Yes, this is true- but do try to understand the context of that thinking.. and understand that I for one, do not base aobirotn off of genetics, race, religion, ect..
I base it off of whethe ror not that potentiality puts an actuality at risk, and if so, is that REAL person willing to put themselves at risk for said potential-
if so, good for them.
If not, get rid of it and step off their ass-
The two things are completely different- again, I DON'T DO FORCE.
@ryddelwearsahat: "I'm a nurse- I know all about fetal development." That hardly makes you qualified to comment with authority on issues of biological or intellectual development. And most science dissents from your view.
@ryddelwearsahat there is a HUGE difference between a pregnancy conceived from rape or consensual sex. A rape victim is being forced to bear the criminals child against her will. A woman pregnant from consenting sex made that decision. It is a conscious choice not to use birth control and irresponsible to then kill the baby you conceived by your own will. Animals can't chose to wear a condom, we are not cows, we are intelligent humans who are aware of the consequences of sex.
@chrisiviv: I thought we already covered that, both in the video and in the discussion below. No doubt the situation is different, but before we start getting into this conjecture of 'what else could we do...', etc., can we please have the statistics (verifiable, please, not just anecdotal speculations by abortion-friendly groups) of actual pregnancies that have occurred from cases of reported (emphasis on the word REPORTED) rapes?
@englishteach26 Rape is a valid argument. Yes or no? If someone raped my wife. I would refuse to raise that child and would urge an abortion. I don't care about the numbers or rate of occurrence. 1 time is enough. Also, why reward the rapist by bearing his offspring. As you said, humans have sex to conceive. A rapist does not have the right to force someone to conceive his child without their consent. The anti-choice crowd thinks otherwise, and rewards the rapist.
@chrisiviv: I thought we already covered that, both in the video and in the discussion below. No doubt the situation is different, but before we start getting into this conjecture of 'what else could we do...', etc., can we please have the statistics (verifiable, please, not just anecdotal speculations by abortion-friendly groups) of actual pregnancies that have occurred from cases of reported (emphasis on the word REPORTED) rapes?
@englishteach26 I assure you i am not abortion-friendly. I choose life and am disgusted by anyone who uses abortion as birth control. And I think that should be illegal. I also think people should pay for their own damn abortions. Planned parenthood should not be funded by taxpayers.
@chrisiviv: "I don't care about the numbers or rate of occurrence." That is interesting. You don't care because the statistics do not exist. Period. The rate of pregnancy that happens from reported cases of rape is nonexistent. It's a non-issue.
@englishteach26 I'll take your word that there are no stats on that, but that does not answer my question. Is it okay to abort a fetus that resulted from a rape? Allowing a rapist to successfully bear a child through rape violates the liberty of the victim and rewards the rapist's genetic lineage. I believe in individual liberties. That means i don't care about rate of occurrence. One woman forced to bear someone's child against her will violates her inalienable rights.
@chrisiviv: Rather than us spending energy on that question, maybe we should first wait for those groups and individuals (the ones who always use that claim whenever all their other ones are not convincing anyone) to provide the information about how many women were 'saved' from having to bear the child of their rapist. No use in considering a hypothetical that may or may not be an issue.
@englishteach26 Women becoming pregnant by rapists is not hypothetical. It actually happens. Not all women have an abortion. There are prominent pro-life activists who were born as a result of a rape. But not everyone has the desire to birth a rapist's child. Would you force me, backed by law (=gunpoint), to give birth to a rapist's child? that doesn't sound very conservative of you. I am a conservative who stands up for the rights of the individual.
@chrisiviv: When a woman reports a rape, the first thing the police do is take her to the hospital for treatment for three reasons: (1) for a physical examination and to treat her for injuries; (2) to collect physical evidence for criminal prosecution (without this, it is harder to convict because it becomes a 'he said/she said' affair in court; (3) to give the victim the so called 'morning after' pill. This is why pregnancy from rape seldom happens...it's just a anti-life talking point. :-/
I don't mean to call you a liar, but I'm not sure I believe your story...not yet, anyway. I'm assuming that your sister (assuming she exists) did report this crime?
@englishteach26 My apologies, but apparently I have been followed by a /supposedly/ pro'life' user who specializes in the spreading of propaganda, and the harassment of prochoice users and the cloning of accounts.
Contrary to your corrupted opinion, not all pro-choicers are bumbling idiots. In fact, most have a researched or personal reason why they belive that the choice is necessary. My sister was raped at age 13, if she would have given birth to the child she would have died. Would you prefer that we sacrifice a beloved member of our family for a member we didn't even want?
You're smart.. so i don't see why you do this unless you have an ulterior motive. I can't picture someone smart as you, as well-spoken as you, actually believing the swiss-cheese you tried to feed me.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
Post-abortive, pro-choice, no regrets. I'm also a mother, a nurse, a wife. I've yet to hear a single anti-abortion argument that has not been parroted countless times before, that I haven't utterly dessimated countless times before. No matter who the person is, if they are pro'life' and get into a debate with me, they eventually dissolve into personal accusations/insults, mockery, denial, or they resort to twisting words or clinging to a religious belief as a last resort. I have NEVER once -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
-c heard a single argument that made any sense, or that has been completely fair and honest, come from the pro'life' side. I've never been spoken to fairly or honestly by a single pro'life'r, and have been threatened, insulted, falsely accused, even been denied my own OPINIONS and had my personal life history and experiences 'corrected' by pro'life'rs who are too insecure to face the mere possibility that someone might be different from their stereotype-ideal of all pro-choicers. Vid=no diff.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
-c Every single point made in this series of videos can easily be destroyed and are points and manipulations I have ruined countless times.
Start anywhere, if you don't believe me..
..or block me if you don't like what I have to say.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat: I used to be pro-choice, but I changed my mind. Everyone has to come to their own conclusion through logic, reason, factual evidence, and experience (all of them...not just one, etc.) For me, I've yet to hear any new arguments from the anti-life side of the argument: they're still in 1973 or something. I'd like to hear one. Also, what about the numbers of pregnancies from rape that are ended by abortion...when are we finally get some verifiable data on that exhausted claim?
englishteach26 1 month ago
@englishteach26 I don't care about the rape card. I'm quite up-to-date. It's not about rape to me- but it is about consent. =)
Consent to sex for humans is not consent to breeding- humans aren't goats going in/out of estrus, sex means more to us and always ahs- so the argument that sex=babies is dust. specially since the glorious invention of birth control, aboriton, and adoption.
..if there was consent, did all those women just.. change their mind? In denial?
Why have sex?
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat: It sounds like you are trying to make several different points, but they are so conflated that I'm not sure where one point ends and another begins. However, while reproduction is not the only reason human beings have sex, the act of sex does equal conception. Birth control might act to interfere with conception, but sex is how the human race reproduces. That's just a scientific fact. However, do you equate abortion with contraception?
englishteach26 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat: What I was pointing out in the video about the 'rape' argument is that there are no verifiable statistics for pregnancies from reported rapes that were ended in abortion. When a woman reports a rape, the police take her to the hospital where she is given contraception, which is why a pregnancy usually never happens. However, anti-lifers, when they feel as if they are on the ropes, always resort to some argument such as "but if you were raped and were going to have a baby," etc
englishteach26 1 month ago
@englishteach26 ...who cares if it's by rape or consentual sex? The result is the same if it is unwanted- it is unwanted. I don't differentiate between the two b/c I don't care or need to care about pity-games for rape vics and blame-games towards women who had consentual sex- I just care about whether or not that woman, no matter her circumstances, is pregnant and whether or not her needs are being met, be they adoption services, childcare services, OR abortion services, -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
-c depending on her wants and needs. Yes, I do equate abortion with contraception- b/c contraception doesn't stop egg and sperm from meeting and dividing, it prevents implantation- two wholly different concepts... and something many anti-choicers know, yet fail to comment on even though technically, preventing a conceived egg from implanting a form of abortion, lol.. hypocrites 'USE PROTECTION OR BIRTH CONTROL'
Ha..
Anyway- yes, sex is reproduction.. but not ONLY -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
-c reproduction, and until it is ONLY to breed like goats in estrus, I'll stand for sexual rights and decimate the will of anyone trying to nazi people's personal lives and business. It's something I'm good at.
Overall.. there's no reason to be anti-abortion unless you have a bone to pick w/ people themselves.. and not the actual issue of killing human tissue... b/c that's /all/ an embryo or fetus is.. developing human tissue w/o any form of personal context.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
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Don't be a poorchoice LOSER..choose LIFE!
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@AbortionKillsBabies Don't harass people in clone accounts of pro-choice users b/c you're too fucking scared to say it in your original account and show everyone what a shitforbrains troll you are-
choose HONESTY
..by the way, triple-K, tell us all again, please, why you think poorly of white women who date/marry black men?
Why don't you think black men are good enough to date white women? Is it for the same reason you harass people based on their sexual orientation? KKK?
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@ryddelwearsahat: "there's no reason to be anti-abortion unless you have a bone to pick w/ people themselves.. and not the actual issue of killing human tissue... b/c that's /all/ an embryo or fetus is..." That is most untrue. You should read some prenatal books. I was for abortion until I did, when we were expecting our first daughter.
englishteach26 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat: "I'll stand for sexual rights and decimate the will of anyone trying to nazi people's personal lives and business. It's something I'm good at..." Actually, the Nazi's were fervent supporters for abortion.
englishteach26 1 month ago
@englishteach26 ACTUALLY the nazis executed aryan women who had abortions.. or sent em' to rape camps. They only supported abortion for non-aryans, and they FORCED abortion, regardless- I don't, and nobody with half a brain supports FORCE here, so either way.. that argument has done a bunk. And, also- if you compare abortion to the holocaust, I'll assume you're an anti-semite.
Oh, I'm a nurse- I know all about fetal development. A fetus is nothing like a newborn except in shape.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat: "and nobody with half a brain supports FORCE here..." Interesting that you say that. I've heard testimony from young women who went to Planned Parenthood for what they thought was advice and counseling about dealing with unplanned pregnancies. Instead of providing these services, the PP people acted likes salespersons for abortion and leaned heavily on this young women to get abortions. I wouldn't say PP tries to FORCE...they are just very aggressive in their salesmenship. ;-)
englishteach26 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat: "if you compare abortion to the holocaust, I'll assume you're an anti-semite..." That's a big 'non sequitir' there.
englishteach26 1 month ago
@englishteach26 Well, were the jews thinking, feeling, independent people? Were they killed for the sake of survival and physical independence, or were they murdered based on their race, religion, ect?
If you seriously compare a developing embryo or fetus to a jew and see no difference, or see any correlation at all, I have to say you are stupid, at the very least, to be incapable of grasping the fundamental flaw in that.. Intention, context, circumstance.. none are similar. -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
-c And at the worst, that you do the victims of the holocaust a greast disservice by reducing their genocide to a petty medical procedure performed on thoughtless, memory-less, opinion-less, parasitically-dependent developing human bodies for the sake of health, be it physical or mental, of the woman carrying it... if I may put it bluntly.
You make it all accidental- b/c noone gets pregnant TO abort.. or they shouldn't, anyway. It's not like women scream DIE UNTERMENSCH -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
-c as they pop the pill or get on the table. It's not about race, religion, sexual orientation, or anything.. I can't stress that enough to put that any more clearly.. it's about them, their future, and their needs.
the fetus has no context.
The jews certainly had context- they were rats, according to the nazis.
Now, I don't agree w/ pressuring women or teens into aborting any more than i do adoption or keeping a a child. I don't deny it happens, and I agree THAT is a sick -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
-c waste of time, money, care, and thought.. but at the same time I don't see it as any different that a por'life'r teling a 3wk pregnant teenager that her baby can ehar her, loves her, and that it'll get chopped up in agony and that if she keeps it she'll be so happy and she'lle vner regret it and she won't be poor..
The pushers on both sides should have their heads cut off. Sharp-toothed predators, pro-choice and pro'life'. They don't represent me, nor, hopefully, you. -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
-c Lastly.. as for fetal brain development.. I'm curious which studies you use, how informative they are, and whether or not they're 'fact's bought/paid for by some church organization like the majority of pro'life' 'medical facts' are.. you know.. the ones that claim an 8wk fetus(not embryo?) is 11inches long and can recongize it's mother's voice?
It's not even conscious until born, due to a chemical released en utero that keeps it unconscious.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat: By that reasoning, if it were true, we could excuse the murder of almost any human being who was in a basic state of sleep (which is, after all, unconsciousness).
englishteach26 1 month ago
@englishteach26 Oh, not at all- I mean.. again, context and circumstances are completely different. That sleeping person is not inside of someone else, nor is anyone physically required to sustain them.. once born, all human care of the handicapped, young, and old are on a free-will basis, and no life-support-humans necessary.. That sleeping person still has memories, besides.. and a fetus is just a blank disc.
Completely different circumstances and another baseless claim.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat: "a fetus is just a blank disc." How do you know that? You are guessing, aren't you?
englishteach26 1 month ago
@englishteach26 Oh, not at all. I have plenty of links to support my claims of the embryonic/fetal brain.. and even w/o websites it's not hard to understand that we are born knowing literally nothing, at all, whatsoever, right?
I wasn't born hating the judeo-xtain religion, liking lady gaga, or wanting to be a humanitarian.. I didn't conceive liking the colors black and green.. were you?
Did you?
Other than basic electrical/chemical impulse, claiming the fetus is as fully -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
-c present between the ears as you or I, or even a newborn.. is an insult to how we develop.
Oh, your 19mo old can survive w/o you easily- anyone can care for her once born. She doesn't 'need' to be part of ONLY you to exist and live once born.. an if you can't care for her or tire of it, there's adoption.
No need to kill.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat: No...that's not it. What I mean is that if someone didn't care for my 19-month-old, if she were taken from us, left in the woods, and abandoned, then she could not survive. (Remember, Tarzan is only a story.) Even if, by some miracle, she managed to walk her way into the next town, how could she explain to the people who she was, what happened, and where her mom and dad were?
englishteach26 1 month ago
@englishteach26 ..what exactly does abandonement have to do w/ abortion..?
..unless of course, you're going to try to ploy it all out against my 'independent body' argument..
..sorry, not good enough.
That has nothing to do w/ the fact that she was born, and is not attached to, inside of, part of, the mother anymore.
That just sounds emotionally-manipulative and, sorry, pointless.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat: My point is, how do we decide who is a person and who is not? The whole 'survive independently' argument is shifty, and it is arbitrary. I think it is more logical, more scientifically sound, and socially safer, to say that a person is a person at the moment of conception...and let's leave flawed, corrupted human thinking out of it. Period.
englishteach26 1 month ago
@englishteach26 Easy- independence and a functioning brain. That easily encompasses all of the born living human populace, regardless of age, race, ect..
The only born living humans I'd not consider people are those poor mistakes w/ anencephaly- look that up- and tell you agree that that is an actual life.
Being a person is more than having living human meat- my foot is living meat, but it can't think or feel or love. It's also part of a thinking individual's body. fetus=ditto
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat So you're saying if your mom ends up in a coma, on life support, void of thought, that she is no longer a person. I'm actually pro-choice (very reluctantly), but your argument is flawed and nonsensical. Its is scientifically fact that life begins at conception. You simply cannot argue that and expect anyone to take you serious. To deny that life begins at conception, is like a creationist denying the age of the earth.
A better approach is the liberty angle.
chrisiviv 1 month ago
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@chrisiviv Yeah, that's about it. Same applies to me, too. I wouldn't reat anyone differently than how I myself would want to be treated.
I never said a fetus wasn't living tissue.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
@englishteach26 ..and.. in other words, you're copping out w/ a smooth implication that I'm corrupt and flawed...
..is it b/c I'm not swayed by emotionally-manipulative 'analogies' that make no sense outside of BEING emotionally-manipulative to the mentally weak, the cowardly, and the stupid?
..preying on those of weaker wills is what is corrupt. That is dangerous to bully people w/ implications and baseless arguments.
Kindof like lying, in a sense.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat: I got to go to work. We can discuss it later. However, just because you do not share some of my values about life, culture, and society, that does not mean that I am lying or trying to mislead people. You can agree or disagree, but I am compelled by conscious and belief to say what I say.
englishteach26 1 month ago
@englishteach26 As am I.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat: Thinks like "gaga lady" are arbitrary fashions of cultural taste, and are far different than what makes up our own personalities, our disposition towards the world, our tastes, and our character ethos...as a father of two girls, I can swear that all of these things already exist, and biological science has proven much of this already.
englishteach26 1 month ago
@englishteach26 Oh, genetic programming is something else entirely.. yes, all embryos/fetuses have genetic programming.. but who cares about pre-written coding? THAT only goes.. so far. And we aren't just our genes.. and that genetic programming does nothing while in the womb. The fetus grows, permanently unconscious until born, and permanently parasitic until born.
It has no context of it's own.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat: I think that genetic programming is more than nothing. We don't even have the wisdom yet to truly understand all of what is in our genes...not yet.
englishteach26 1 month ago
@englishteach26 ....and..? That cryptic comment means nothing to me- except an attempt at manipulation, once again, this time w/ fear of the possible unknown, instead of guilt for an abandoned baby.
..nothing to do w/ abortion.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat: "That sleeping person is not inside of someone else, nor is anyone physically required to sustain them..." That sound rather arbitrary to me. After all, while my 19-month-old daughter can breath and feed herself (if we put the food in front of her), how long could she survive without the care of her mom and dad?
englishteach26 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat: For me, a pro-lifer, the enemy is not the mothers at all. I want to help them because I think they are victims in this as well, though to a lesser extent than the babies. The enemy here is a small, elite, well-funded group of people who want power over people's lives and who also, for some reason I can't explain (evil perhaps), hate human beings and traditional values.
englishteach26 1 month ago
@englishteach26 ...I'm not a victim, lol. Victims do not benefit or prosper from being victimized- and I did. You could apply those claims and accusations of those in the abortion industry to anyone, anywhere else, in any part of the medical industry, period, b/c medicine=money. You could also say the same of the catholic church, but in that case, it would be frighteningly true, and not just a prejudiced misunderstanding of reason/context.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat: I do not know of any other branch of the medical industry that specializes in destroying life. 99.9% of all doctors and nurses I know want to preserve life. The abortion industry is a separate issue from the rest of the medical profession.
englishteach26 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat: You need to calm down and not resort to puerile insults and name-calling. That is beneath human dignity. Also, do not forget who brought the Nazis into the conversation. It was not me. I merely pointed out that the Nazis were fine with abortion...the abortion of people that they viewed as inconvenient or a drag on their society.
englishteach26 1 month ago
@englishteach26 Oh, I originally menat 'nazi' in the verb sense.. but whatever. The intention is there if someone feels the need to police and control someone else based on prejudices and/or a petty opinion/ideal they'd prefer be made into fact..
The nazis weren't 'fine' w/ abortion, they were fine w/ genocide- the 'humans' to them were aryans- and they treated their 'fellow human' w/ contempt for aborting.. hanging, shooting, torture, rape-re-impregnation.. they were pro-life.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat: "they treated their 'fellow human' w/ contempt for aborting.. hanging, shooting, torture, rape-re-impregnation.. they were pro-life..." For Germans, non-Jewish people. According to Nazi moral philosophy, German babies did not inconvenience society and they wanted more of them...for sociological and eugenic reasons. However, this was a small group of people in Europe. Any other pregnancy (most of Europe's population) was inconvenient, and used planning to eliminate them.
englishteach26 1 month ago
@englishteach26 Yes, this is true- but do try to understand the context of that thinking.. and understand that I for one, do not base aobirotn off of genetics, race, religion, ect..
I base it off of whethe ror not that potentiality puts an actuality at risk, and if so, is that REAL person willing to put themselves at risk for said potential-
if so, good for them.
If not, get rid of it and step off their ass-
The two things are completely different- again, I DON'T DO FORCE.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat: "I'm a nurse- I know all about fetal development." That hardly makes you qualified to comment with authority on issues of biological or intellectual development. And most science dissents from your view.
englishteach26 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat there is a HUGE difference between a pregnancy conceived from rape or consensual sex. A rape victim is being forced to bear the criminals child against her will. A woman pregnant from consenting sex made that decision. It is a conscious choice not to use birth control and irresponsible to then kill the baby you conceived by your own will. Animals can't chose to wear a condom, we are not cows, we are intelligent humans who are aware of the consequences of sex.
chrisiviv 1 month ago
@chrisiviv: I thought we already covered that, both in the video and in the discussion below. No doubt the situation is different, but before we start getting into this conjecture of 'what else could we do...', etc., can we please have the statistics (verifiable, please, not just anecdotal speculations by abortion-friendly groups) of actual pregnancies that have occurred from cases of reported (emphasis on the word REPORTED) rapes?
englishteach26 1 month ago
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@chrisiviv Uh, a LOT of abobo's come from birth control that failed.
Try that, and the rest of the argument again, this time w/o lying about what women think/feel/decide when they have sex.
Not all sex is to breed.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
@englishteach26 Rape is a valid argument. Yes or no? If someone raped my wife. I would refuse to raise that child and would urge an abortion. I don't care about the numbers or rate of occurrence. 1 time is enough. Also, why reward the rapist by bearing his offspring. As you said, humans have sex to conceive. A rapist does not have the right to force someone to conceive his child without their consent. The anti-choice crowd thinks otherwise, and rewards the rapist.
chrisiviv 1 month ago
@chrisiviv: I thought we already covered that, both in the video and in the discussion below. No doubt the situation is different, but before we start getting into this conjecture of 'what else could we do...', etc., can we please have the statistics (verifiable, please, not just anecdotal speculations by abortion-friendly groups) of actual pregnancies that have occurred from cases of reported (emphasis on the word REPORTED) rapes?
englishteach26 1 month ago
@englishteach26 I assure you i am not abortion-friendly. I choose life and am disgusted by anyone who uses abortion as birth control. And I think that should be illegal. I also think people should pay for their own damn abortions. Planned parenthood should not be funded by taxpayers.
chrisiviv 1 month ago
@chrisiviv: "I don't care about the numbers or rate of occurrence." That is interesting. You don't care because the statistics do not exist. Period. The rate of pregnancy that happens from reported cases of rape is nonexistent. It's a non-issue.
englishteach26 1 month ago in playlist Abortion Debate...soap operas
@englishteach26 I'll take your word that there are no stats on that, but that does not answer my question. Is it okay to abort a fetus that resulted from a rape? Allowing a rapist to successfully bear a child through rape violates the liberty of the victim and rewards the rapist's genetic lineage. I believe in individual liberties. That means i don't care about rate of occurrence. One woman forced to bear someone's child against her will violates her inalienable rights.
chrisiviv 1 month ago
@chrisiviv: Rather than us spending energy on that question, maybe we should first wait for those groups and individuals (the ones who always use that claim whenever all their other ones are not convincing anyone) to provide the information about how many women were 'saved' from having to bear the child of their rapist. No use in considering a hypothetical that may or may not be an issue.
englishteach26 1 month ago
@englishteach26 Women becoming pregnant by rapists is not hypothetical. It actually happens. Not all women have an abortion. There are prominent pro-life activists who were born as a result of a rape. But not everyone has the desire to birth a rapist's child. Would you force me, backed by law (=gunpoint), to give birth to a rapist's child? that doesn't sound very conservative of you. I am a conservative who stands up for the rights of the individual.
chrisiviv 1 month ago
@chrisiviv: When a woman reports a rape, the first thing the police do is take her to the hospital for treatment for three reasons: (1) for a physical examination and to treat her for injuries; (2) to collect physical evidence for criminal prosecution (without this, it is harder to convict because it becomes a 'he said/she said' affair in court; (3) to give the victim the so called 'morning after' pill. This is why pregnancy from rape seldom happens...it's just a anti-life talking point. :-/
englishteach26 1 month ago 2
I don't mean to call you a liar, but I'm not sure I believe your story...not yet, anyway. I'm assuming that your sister (assuming she exists) did report this crime?
englishteach26 3 months ago 3
@englishteach26 My apologies, but apparently I have been followed by a /supposedly/ pro'life' user who specializes in the spreading of propaganda, and the harassment of prochoice users and the cloning of accounts.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
Contrary to your corrupted opinion, not all pro-choicers are bumbling idiots. In fact, most have a researched or personal reason why they belive that the choice is necessary. My sister was raped at age 13, if she would have given birth to the child she would have died. Would you prefer that we sacrifice a beloved member of our family for a member we didn't even want?
saladfingers123243 3 months ago