Firstly, it is just not possible to prove which system we live in. You clearly believe what you have been taught from a young age about this, but it's wrong. You are right faith is faith when it is it's own evidence. But the "facts" you mention are not really facts but an alternative view, supported by the incorrect interpretation of evidence and wrong extrapolation of some facts.Some "evolutionary" processes do occur but those in themselves do not prove my grandpa was an ape.
@mrIdontBelieVeingod I am aware of that, but being unaware of the exact name of our "supposed" common ancestor I just wrote what I wrote. So,"Some "evolutionary" processes do occur but those in themselves do not prove I have an ancestor in common with the apes."
funny how when an atheist kills its because he is a fanatic but when someone who claims to be religious kills then its used as evidence that religion caused him to kill
The biggest mistake Dawkins made was not ripping this guy to shreds on the idea that Atheism is a belief system, and the whole 20th century, stalin, mao, BS. My opinion of why the horrors of the 20th century seem so much worse is, there were simply tons more people to kill then there were in the centuries past. It's just a larger ratio. However, what they did has NOTHING to do with the lack of belief in god(s). Hitler believed he was doing Gods work. Gott mit uns - on every soldiers uniform.
@paulcorda Hitler was delusional... as well as a lot of other people are delusional when they kill in the name of God. A world without God would be a very dark place filled with despair.
@raulsnchez - only if that is what you believe, if you believe it, then your world can be a dark place. I do not believe it, and my world is great, filled with friendship, joy, love, humor, excitement, etc... .People can believe whatever they like, however, if I think their believes are ludacris, then I have the right to that, and to say it. I do not need to respect someone elses beliefs, I only have to respect their right to believe them. This whole who killed more ppl thing is childish.
@raulsnchez - Also, when I was a Christian, I did not agree with everything in the bible, what Jesus said, and the so-called perfect morals I was being taught. That was the catalyst for asking myself the correct, important questions, and was the path that lead me thankfully out of Religion. There may be a God, or energy force or whatever. If there is, I think it is very little like the way the religions profess. I think every religious person should ask themselves those important questions.
@punksachoo - There are many, I will give a few that I think I started with. These are in no particular order, however I do believe there is a natural progression to these questions, and if followed in the right order, they can be very mind opening.
1) Do I REALLY believe what I am being taught, or am I just following what I have been taught since I was a child?
2) If someone doesn't believe in my religion, do I believe/agree with, them being punished for that?
Jesus... Already something wrong was said in the first 5 seconds. Atheism isn't a belief system. It could be called a belief. But in no way shape or form is a belief system.
Nope. But just because I can't disprove something does not mean for a second that it is true.
The reason we can't prove that god is not true is because the premise for the idea of his existence is based on utterly fantastic bullshit.
It's impossible to disprove something with evidence and logic if that thing has nothing to do with evidence or logic because if I say one thing then you'll just say;
"Ah but god doesn't go by your petty mortal laws".
I agree, my comment/question was unreasonable. Part of the reason it was unreasonable is because, as you rightly say " god doesn't go by your petty mortal laws" apart from using "petty" (He is interested in how we organise and rule ourselves) , oh, and "mortal" if you were talking about "natural" laws which of course don't have their origin with humans but with ....Wonder where they came from?
I don't think anyone knows how the laws of the universe came about. One of the questions that science hasn't worked out yet is how the laws of physics came about.
We also don't know how the universe began.
But the thing is, science accepts and admits this and is working on answering these questions. It's just a matter of time before we do know. People who believe in god have always gave praise to god for certain things then when science discovers how it works religious folk have to
@ChainsawVsGod I beg to differ. Many religionists concede certain things because their faith in God's word is weak. Did you know that it's not even possible to prove that we live in a "solar" system as opposed to an earth centred system?( which is also unprovable). They are dynamically equivalent. As for positing that earth is 6 billion years ;well!
Faith is the believe in something without evidence. If evidence is found for something then you should be man enough to admit it regardless of your faith. Denying a fact just because some old book tells you otherwise isn't a sign of strength in any way. It's idiocy.
How is not impossible to prove that it is a solar system? We orbit the sun not the other way round. This isn't an earth based system. The only thing special about earth is that it can sustain life.
And even if it was an earth based system (which it isn't) then what of it? What does that prove. There are still millions and millions of galaxies and moons and stars in space.
Stalin and Mao wanted the people to look upon them as gods. This is not atheism. Atheism is the lack of belief in gods not the belief that you ARE a god. Stalin and Mao were simply insane.
double standards when dawkins denotes religions responsible for deaths but when asked about stalin, mao he turns around and says no thats not fair assumption lol this guy always gets caught out on his own standards lol very silly
I don't agree. I do believe in minor evolution. But I'm sorry. To believe in MACROevolution you need faith. Nobody has ever seen MACROevolution happening. Why? Well evolutionists say all you need is time. Well, why are there still monkeys living today?
@joshgringo "Nobody has ever seen MACROevolution happening." That is because there is no such thing as macro evolution. All evolutionary changes happen through microscopic changes that gradually, over a long period of time, become 'macro' changes.
@joshgringo "Well, why are there still monkeys living today?" Americans came from or 'evolved' from european colonists, so why are there still europeans today? Humans didn't evolve from monkeys, we share a common ancestor with monkeys, we split off down one branch and monkeys down another. Again there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to support this fact, to deny this evidence is simply idiotic.
@joshgringo You never answered my question in regards to where did everything come from, so I will put it to you again. What sounds better? Admitting we don't know where the universe came from whilst continuing to try and answer the question, or simply claiming God as the answer despite there being no evidence for God even existing?
@joshgringo "To believe in MACROevolution you need faith." Nope you need evidence and we have plenty of it. The entire fossil record of the past 500 MY shows macro evolution. Then there are the relationships between all living things supported by DNA relationships. There's plenty of evidence and it all agrees!
As for god, sorry there is no evidence that any god has ever existed not just your god of choice! or that any god ever created anything!
@joshgringo There is no faith involved in evolution as it is supported by a litteral mountain of empirical evidence. It is a fact, life does change over time. There is not a scrap of evidence to support the existence of a God. To have faith in God is simply an excuse for believing in God for no good reason.
@joshgringo "Where did everything come from, Mr. Dawkins?" We simply don't know, hopefully one day we will. What sounds better to you? Admitting that we don't know but keep trying to answer the question, or making an answer up that has absolutely no evidence to support it being actually right?
AGAIN 9/11 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM... it has to do with all the shit that the west does with these third world countries. just fuckin leave them live their own lives !!
Why are atheists saying the interviewer is a moron. If the interviewer just came in and said I agree with everything you say then it wouldn't be on hard talk.
@themungitube The interviewer is a moron because he says several moronic things. For example the very first sentence out of his mouth. "Atheism is the belief system..." Atheism is not a belief system, it is the lack of belief in a God.
@ClosedAperture If you have a belief that God absolutly does not exist and identify with a labelled and organised group (atheists) and seek to proactivly seek to sway others to beleive there is definitly no God then that is a belief system. If you just say you don't know if there's a God or not then you don't have a belief system, because you don't have a belief either way. Hope that makes sense
@themungitube "Hope that makes sense." I am sorry but it doesn't. Atheism is simply the non belief in a God, nothing more, nothing less. It is not a belief, therefore it is not a belief system. Your beliefs inform your actions, eg. theism. Your non beliefs, eg. atheism, simply do not.
@ClosedAperture I take the view that nothing can be proven 100%, so to believe 100% there is no God, takes faith. That is therefore the belief there is no God, but you can call it a lack of belief if it helps you justify and identify with your atheistic belief system.
@themungitube “I take the view that nothing can be proven 100%, so to believe 100% there is no God, takes faith.” I have never once claimed with any kind of absoluteness that God does not exist. I simply do not believe that he does. I presume you do not believe in fairies? Does your non belief in fairies require you to believe 100% that fairies do not exist? The non belief in God requires no more ‘faith’ than it takes to not believe in fairies.
@ClosedAperture I think it's highly unlikely fairies and the flying spagheti monster exists but as I can't prove they don't exist I hold faith that they don't rather than evidence. After all, absense of evidence is not evidence for absense. As you don't claim with absolutness God doesn't exist then I agree with you that it's a lack of belief as you are taking a more agnostic view there.
@themungitube “After all, absense of evidence is not evidence for absense.” That isn’t entirely true, but is totally unrelated to what we are talking about.
@themungitube Gnosticism and theism are two seperate subjects. The former deals with what you know, the later with what you believe. I am an agnostic atheist, I don't know that God does not exist, however I don't believe he does. I am presuming you are an agnostic theist, you do not know that God does exist however you believe he does. Atheism deals with what your believe, specifically the non belief in a God. It is not the claim that a God does not exist.
@ClosedAperture The main point I'm trying to make is that in order to believe God doesn't exist, it isn't just an unbelief, but hold a requirment that you hold\gain the believe God doesn't exist. If your undecided or don't care then you have a true lack of belief as you aren't required to believe either way. I believe in God, except I admit faith is required, I would like atheists to admit believing God doesn't exist also requires faith.
@themungitube You still aren't getting this are you? For the final time. Atheism is not the belief that a God does not exist, it is the non belief in a God. For example: I am an atheist. I do not believe that a God does exist, this non belief does not require me to believe that a God doesn't exist. What part of this are you struggling with?
@ClosedAperture Lets grab the dictionary, disbelief = "refusal accept that something is true or real". Refusal = 'an expression of unwillingness to accept or grant an offer or request'. Refusal is an action, not the lack of one. Therefore disbelief is an action of belief to the opposite view. Only part I'm struggling with is your stubbornessto levy inch, I do however admit I'm stubborn too.
@themungitube "Therefore disbelief is an action of belief to the opposite view." Absolute nonsense. Let me give you an example. To people walking down the street, lets call one atheist, the other theist. They come across a box. Theist says "I believe there is a red ball in that box" Atheist replies "Why do you believe that?" Theist laughs "Oh I don't know there is a ball in there I just believe there is!" Atheist thinks for a moment "Well I don't believe you then."
@ClosedAperture There are two sides to every coin, this example illustrates the theist believed the box had a ball and the atheist beleived it had no ball. Perhaps we should end that argument, it's obvious we are just going round in circles and after some reflection, it's quite a petty matter. On a much more important note I hope someday you change your mind on the God issue. I wish you luck when you die if you don't. If you are right however then no need to wish me luck back.
@themungitube "...this example illustrates the theist believed the box had a ball and the atheist beleived it had no ball." No, you are wrong yet again. The atheist has simply decided to not believe the theist claim that there is a ball in the box. Not believing the theist's claim that there is a ball in the box does not mean you therefore believe there isn't a ball in the box. Exactly what part of this do you not understand?
@themungitube "...this example illustrates the theist believed the box had a ball and the atheist beleived it had no ball." No, you are wrong yet again. The atheist has simply decided to not believe the theist claim that there is a ball in the box. Not believing the theist's claim that there is a ball in the box does not mean you therefore believe there isn't a ball in the box. Exactly what part of this do you not understand?
@themungitube At no point in that conversation has Atheist claimed to know what is in the box or claimed to know that there isn’t a red ball in the box. He has simply decided to not believe Theist’s claim that there is a red ball in the box. Atheists have decided to not believe theistic claims that there is a God, this non belief does not however mean they have to believe there is no God.
@ClosedAperture OK, I see your point there then. All too often though, atheists go out of their way to tell me there isn't a God and try to convince me of it too. In your story, it would be like the atheist then standing on the corner and shouting to passers by to ignore the theists claims and tells them there isn't a ball in the box, (despite it never being opened), rather than just walking on by and ignoring the box and the theist.
@themungitube because his arguments are stupid. thats why hes a moron. he can have a robust debate without saying "ur caricaturing" or just quoting criticisms by other authors.
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Dawkins answers are the easy way out.God is too large for his comprehension and far too complex for our deep understanding. He sounds very bitter.Something went wrong some where.But every one is entitled to their opinion.
@lismorehassi Oh that's good... really good! Dawkins who uses only concrete evidence that can be seen, read, and touched is taking the easy way out... but religious people whose answer is GOD did it is the tough answer!!! Baaaaaaahahahahahahaha!
@lismorehassi So that means evidence given by Allah, Apollo, Shiva, Zeus and any other monotheistic sky ultimate Power is also concrete evidence??? Because they all have their own creation story and doctrine just as you do. Or are you stating that somehow all these people are wrong and only "YOUR GOD" created the world???
@MrLerv You clearly aren't accustomed to watching proper interviews. The interviewer's role is to ask the questions which he or she feels are most pertinent to the general public. Several critics of atheism use the "Stalin argument", so it makes sense to give Dawkins the opportunity to address it.
@LinX1515 It's his interviewing technique that's off, he doesn't frame his questions as those held by the public and it sounds more like he is arguing with Dawkins. But maybe that's how this show always works.
The Dawk doesn't pussyfoot around his meaning and that makes many people uncomfortable. People need to be made uncomfortable. The shit perpetrated in the name of their imaginary friends on a daily basis is unconscionable.
the interviewer is like: "Ok, I got owned in this field, let's move to the next question....... well, got owned here too, let's switch the subject"... rather pathetic way of interviewing.
Who is the interviewer? He is trying to converse in a subject he clearly doesn't know enough about. I can't believe he tried to link stalin with atheism?!?! Way to make yourself come off as stupid.
@JLNLindbom Hitler made his army pray before every massacre. Hitler writes in his journal "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." Popes, priests and nuns supported Hitler's regime. Hitler even states that his actions were influenced by the bible. If youre not convinced by now theres something else wrong with you..
@Ikorose11 Sounds like Dawkins needs to read up on his facts then. Also sounds like Hitler was killing in the name of evolution, he believed the jews hadnt evolved to a superior state and should therefore be eliminated.
@Ikorose11 So true, not to mention the phrase 'Gott mit uns' - 'God with us' on the belts of Nazi Germany's soldiers, and the oath sworn in the name of 'God' ... people quit debating about Hitler's ideology, facts speak the truth.
@Ikorose11 Just because Hitler used religion as a scapegoat for his own personal twisted fantasies, does not mean 'religion' was the root of his problem. There's something wrong with you if you actually buy into Hitler's religious excuse.
@CVLFMG You're missing the point of our discussion. Were talking about how Theists use the "Hitler was an Atheist" argument in their favor all the time. I presented the evidence to show that he was a practicing catholic and religious man... The bad things that religion warrants and in some cases demands is a whole other topic... =]
@JLNLindbom Not true. Soldiers in Hitlers army had to swear to god on joining the force. "Gut mit uns" During the Second World War Wehrmacht soldiers wore this slogan on their belt buckles. Look it up
Dawkins always evades the good questions (he does it well!). However, he doesn't not believe in God, he's just pissed of with him. That question is so much more interesting.
I honestly think Dawkins makes a weak case in this particular interview. I think the answers he delivers are too weak, and could easily have been improved. I'm not saying I disagree with his point, but this interview is not that good.
@gondol7 There's a BIG difference between Hope an Faith, my friend... Still, I agree. Hope is not a good word to describe what atheists have in science. I'll quote Matt Dillahunty here: "I have reasonalble expectations, based on evidence. I have trust that has been earned."
@DasHinchen Then how can the atheists delude themselve and **believe** that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
Faith: The acceptance of a belief in contradiction or absence of evidence.
Hope: A yearning for a desired outcome.
Let's compare:
"I have faith that the rain will stop soon."
"I have hope that the rain will stop soon."
The first sentence (faith) indicates the user *believes* that the rain will stop soon, whereas the second sentence (hope) indicates the speaker wishes the rain to stop soon - but does not indicate whether or not they believe it will.
I believe that our universe was created when a gigantic marshmallow opened its centre and expelled matter, space, time and forces into what we call our universe. This is called inanimate design, and I worship my gigantic marshmallow god in order to feed on it for eternity when I die.
@oliethefolie Since when are 'hard questions' those which are rife with, and I quote my post, "entirely emotional response[s], reductio ad absurdum [and] strawmen"? That's not 'hard talk'. It's not even worth talking to such a person.
@UberNoodleX You mean reductio ad ridiculum. Unlike reductio ad ridiculum, reductio ad absurdum is a valid logical form of argumentation. R.a. ridiculum, however, isn't.
@Nalenthios From the Sceptics Universe: "In formal logic, the reductio ad absurdum is a legitimate argument. It follows the form that if the premises are assumed to be true it necessarily leads to an absurd (false) conclusion and therefore one or more premises must be false. The term is now often used to refer to the abuse of this style of argument, by stretching the logic in order to force an absurd conclusion."
So, no, I don't. I should have been clearer, however.
Richard Dawkins certainly does have a bad habit of getting interrupted all the time :) On topic, I think that debates are not about who is right and who is wrong, but about who is the most skilled at expressing themselves and manouvering around the opponents arguments. Because Dawkins is a superb speaker, his opponents often interrupt him in fear of what might come out of his mouth next.
Exodus 35 verse 2: "For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death." My mom's been cleaning the house last Sunday, how do you usually deal with this, fellow Christians? I was thinking stones, or a knife but it's messy, maybe choking then? What say you?
@BelieveandtrustJesus Wrong. You can't hate that which you don't believe exists. I don't hate unicorns and leprechauns; I simply don't believe they exist. What I do hate is people who try to force everyone else to believe in their fantasies. I also don't trust "his people" because they have been taught to rely on external controls. The second they perceive that they're no subject to monitoring by their god, parents, government, police, boss, neighbors etc., they are not to be trusted.
@BelieveandtrustJesus You are setting up a false dichotomy. The rejection of someone else's belief system does not itself constitute a belief system. What is "knowing for sure"? Nothing is impossible. As an atheist, I do not believe in God because I've seen no convincing evidence. An atheist may have a belief system separately and apart from his rejection of deities. Someone may have a belief system of which atheism is a part, but that does not make atheism a belief system in an of itself.
@ChinnuWoW If you refer to atheism as a faith and/or evolution as a doktrin then yes. I do however not posess a belief in a supernatural being or fenomena, atheism is the non-belief in an all powerfull entity. I liked the video but I was simply getting tired of the cliché that people say "x people are y". Y meaning a minority of people that might take offence of it.
@BelieveandtrustJesus You are very wrong. Is not collecting stamps a hobby? Theism has not convinced me of their claims. That is why I'm atheistic (without theism).
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A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexuality and homosexuality. Even non-religious people know this.
The homosexual agenda is not good for anyone, including those who consider themselves "gay".
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have successfuly framed themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
Many good points were made here. His "why can't we debate religion" argument is very short-sighted and cruelly abrasive. I'm an atheist, but one could argue religion is different from other subjects in that it defines incredibly significant aspects of people's understanding of their world -- who they are, where their loved ones have gone after they perished, what good and evil are, what the meaning of life is. Maybe they shouldn't draw these things from it, but they DO. He's being insensitive.
8:00 this interviewer is retarded hes saying 2 different things tring to fuck over Dawkins. Dawkins says very often religion has been the cause for deaths and horrible stuff, and then he says what about stalin and hitler who were atheist...fuck he just answered ur question
@pishgaman yes but they werent doing it in the name of their religion, like Hitler wasnt doing it in the name of atheism, and like dawkins said there isnt (or i cant find any) evidence of someone killing in the name of Atheism
@Richardstupid1 you sound JUST like a christian (I assume)...Your God Died on the cross for your sins so that you can judge others and use filthy words...poor guy suffered on the cross for nothing if this is how you represent your God
we are not saying that evultion is completely wrong, because we know adam pbuh was 60 cupids tall and that the people of prophet salih pbuh used to carve mountains and take them as shelters 26:141-149, and also the people of prophet hood 26:123-128, so there could be evolving in the same species and evolving from a specie to another specie, evolution only contradicts the quran where it says that men came from apes so if you can proof that the quran is not god's word
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A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
Firstly, it is just not possible to prove which system we live in. You clearly believe what you have been taught from a young age about this, but it's wrong. You are right faith is faith when it is it's own evidence. But the "facts" you mention are not really facts but an alternative view, supported by the incorrect interpretation of evidence and wrong extrapolation of some facts.Some "evolutionary" processes do occur but those in themselves do not prove my grandpa was an ape.
punksachoo 2 days ago
@punksachoo if you would know evolution you would know that we didn't come from apes but we came from the same species
mrIdontBelieVeingod 1 day ago
@mrIdontBelieVeingod I am aware of that, but being unaware of the exact name of our "supposed" common ancestor I just wrote what I wrote. So,"Some "evolutionary" processes do occur but those in themselves do not prove I have an ancestor in common with the apes."
punksachoo 1 day ago
funny how when an atheist kills its because he is a fanatic but when someone who claims to be religious kills then its used as evidence that religion caused him to kill
raulsnchez 5 days ago
The biggest mistake Dawkins made was not ripping this guy to shreds on the idea that Atheism is a belief system, and the whole 20th century, stalin, mao, BS. My opinion of why the horrors of the 20th century seem so much worse is, there were simply tons more people to kill then there were in the centuries past. It's just a larger ratio. However, what they did has NOTHING to do with the lack of belief in god(s). Hitler believed he was doing Gods work. Gott mit uns - on every soldiers uniform.
paulcorda 5 days ago
@paulcorda Hitler was delusional... as well as a lot of other people are delusional when they kill in the name of God. A world without God would be a very dark place filled with despair.
raulsnchez 5 days ago
@raulsnchez - only if that is what you believe, if you believe it, then your world can be a dark place. I do not believe it, and my world is great, filled with friendship, joy, love, humor, excitement, etc... .People can believe whatever they like, however, if I think their believes are ludacris, then I have the right to that, and to say it. I do not need to respect someone elses beliefs, I only have to respect their right to believe them. This whole who killed more ppl thing is childish.
paulcorda 5 days ago
@raulsnchez - Also, when I was a Christian, I did not agree with everything in the bible, what Jesus said, and the so-called perfect morals I was being taught. That was the catalyst for asking myself the correct, important questions, and was the path that lead me thankfully out of Religion. There may be a God, or energy force or whatever. If there is, I think it is very little like the way the religions profess. I think every religious person should ask themselves those important questions.
paulcorda 5 days ago
@paulcorda What are the questions?
punksachoo 2 days ago
@punksachoo - There are many, I will give a few that I think I started with. These are in no particular order, however I do believe there is a natural progression to these questions, and if followed in the right order, they can be very mind opening.
1) Do I REALLY believe what I am being taught, or am I just following what I have been taught since I was a child?
2) If someone doesn't believe in my religion, do I believe/agree with, them being punished for that?
3) What if Jesus was just man?
paulcorda 2 days ago
@punksachoo - others....
4) How much of what I am being taught do I agree, and disgaree with, and why?
5) Do I really believe in sin, or that I am sinning?
6) What part(s) of the other religions do I agree, disgree with and why?
7) If I was born somewhere else in the world, would I have still been a Christian? ex - China
8) I never really trusted the preists when I was younger, why?
There are many many more, but those are a few i could think of for now.
paulcorda 2 days ago
Jesus... Already something wrong was said in the first 5 seconds. Atheism isn't a belief system. It could be called a belief. But in no way shape or form is a belief system.
ChainsawVsGod 5 days ago 3
@ChainsawVsGod So an atheist is able to prove there is no God?
punksachoo 2 days ago
@punksachoo
Nope. But just because I can't disprove something does not mean for a second that it is true.
The reason we can't prove that god is not true is because the premise for the idea of his existence is based on utterly fantastic bullshit.
It's impossible to disprove something with evidence and logic if that thing has nothing to do with evidence or logic because if I say one thing then you'll just say;
"Ah but god doesn't go by your petty mortal laws".
We can however disprove religions.
ChainsawVsGod 2 days ago
@ChainsawVsGod
I agree, my comment/question was unreasonable. Part of the reason it was unreasonable is because, as you rightly say " god doesn't go by your petty mortal laws" apart from using "petty" (He is interested in how we organise and rule ourselves) , oh, and "mortal" if you were talking about "natural" laws which of course don't have their origin with humans but with ....Wonder where they came from?
punksachoo 2 days ago
@punksachoo
I don't think anyone knows how the laws of the universe came about. One of the questions that science hasn't worked out yet is how the laws of physics came about.
We also don't know how the universe began.
But the thing is, science accepts and admits this and is working on answering these questions. It's just a matter of time before we do know. People who believe in god have always gave praise to god for certain things then when science discovers how it works religious folk have to
ChainsawVsGod 2 days ago
@punksachoo
Concede.
Religions have had to concede more and more and more as science discovers more and more and more.
Unless you counter with "Well this was all gods plan. He wanted us to doubt him and he actually designed evolution, etc"
When religious people say that then there's really not much I can respond with.
The argument pretty ends there as I know that there is no response that could possibly sway there decision.
ChainsawVsGod 2 days ago
@ChainsawVsGod I beg to differ. Many religionists concede certain things because their faith in God's word is weak. Did you know that it's not even possible to prove that we live in a "solar" system as opposed to an earth centred system?( which is also unprovable). They are dynamically equivalent. As for positing that earth is 6 billion years ;well!
punksachoo 2 days ago
@punksachoo
Faith is the believe in something without evidence. If evidence is found for something then you should be man enough to admit it regardless of your faith. Denying a fact just because some old book tells you otherwise isn't a sign of strength in any way. It's idiocy.
How is not impossible to prove that it is a solar system? We orbit the sun not the other way round. This isn't an earth based system. The only thing special about earth is that it can sustain life.
ChainsawVsGod 2 days ago
@punksachoo
And even if it was an earth based system (which it isn't) then what of it? What does that prove. There are still millions and millions of galaxies and moons and stars in space.
ChainsawVsGod 2 days ago
Stalin and Mao wanted the people to look upon them as gods. This is not atheism. Atheism is the lack of belief in gods not the belief that you ARE a god. Stalin and Mao were simply insane.
dkthg 6 days ago
double standards when dawkins denotes religions responsible for deaths but when asked about stalin, mao he turns around and says no thats not fair assumption lol this guy always gets caught out on his own standards lol very silly
6gunwalker 6 days ago
Atheism is a belief system? There's a belief system based on a lack of belief? What?
BenjaminGoose 1 week ago
Dawkins makes me a believer. A believer in human's mind.
SadamYT 1 week ago
Hitchens would have eaten this interviewer alive.
Tetrahedragon2 1 week ago 15
And by the way before answering my question watch this video with an open mind. Go to you tube and type Kent Hovind Lies in the textbooks
joshgringo 1 week ago
I'm sorry but give me one example of a fossilized primate/human that has not been proven a hoax.
joshgringo 1 week ago
I don't agree. I do believe in minor evolution. But I'm sorry. To believe in MACROevolution you need faith. Nobody has ever seen MACROevolution happening. Why? Well evolutionists say all you need is time. Well, why are there still monkeys living today?
joshgringo 2 weeks ago
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@joshgringo "Nobody has ever seen MACROevolution happening." That is because there is no such thing as macro evolution. All evolutionary changes happen through microscopic changes that gradually, over a long period of time, become 'macro' changes.
ClosedAperture 2 weeks ago
@joshgringo "Well, why are there still monkeys living today?" Americans came from or 'evolved' from european colonists, so why are there still europeans today? Humans didn't evolve from monkeys, we share a common ancestor with monkeys, we split off down one branch and monkeys down another. Again there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to support this fact, to deny this evidence is simply idiotic.
ClosedAperture 2 weeks ago
@joshgringo You never answered my question in regards to where did everything come from, so I will put it to you again. What sounds better? Admitting we don't know where the universe came from whilst continuing to try and answer the question, or simply claiming God as the answer despite there being no evidence for God even existing?
ClosedAperture 2 weeks ago
@joshgringo "To believe in MACROevolution you need faith." Nope you need evidence and we have plenty of it. The entire fossil record of the past 500 MY shows macro evolution. Then there are the relationships between all living things supported by DNA relationships. There's plenty of evidence and it all agrees!
As for god, sorry there is no evidence that any god has ever existed not just your god of choice! or that any god ever created anything!
mtbee9 2 weeks ago
Evolutionests have a lot more faith than people who believe that God said and it was created.
joshgringo 2 weeks ago
@joshgringo There is no faith involved in evolution as it is supported by a litteral mountain of empirical evidence. It is a fact, life does change over time. There is not a scrap of evidence to support the existence of a God. To have faith in God is simply an excuse for believing in God for no good reason.
ClosedAperture 2 weeks ago
I would like to simply ask one small question. "Where did everything come from, Mr. Dawkins?"
joshgringo 2 weeks ago
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@joshgringo "Where did everything come from, Mr. Dawkins?" We simply don't know, hopefully one day we will. What sounds better to you? Admitting that we don't know but keep trying to answer the question, or making an answer up that has absolutely no evidence to support it being actually right?
ClosedAperture 2 weeks ago
AGAIN 9/11 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM... it has to do with all the shit that the west does with these third world countries. just fuckin leave them live their own lives !!
khara205 2 weeks ago
Why are atheists saying the interviewer is a moron. If the interviewer just came in and said I agree with everything you say then it wouldn't be on hard talk.
themungitube 2 weeks ago
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Haha, well said.
logybear86 2 weeks ago 2
@themungitube The interviewer is a moron because he says several moronic things. For example the very first sentence out of his mouth. "Atheism is the belief system..." Atheism is not a belief system, it is the lack of belief in a God.
ClosedAperture 2 weeks ago
@ClosedAperture If you have a belief that God absolutly does not exist and identify with a labelled and organised group (atheists) and seek to proactivly seek to sway others to beleive there is definitly no God then that is a belief system. If you just say you don't know if there's a God or not then you don't have a belief system, because you don't have a belief either way. Hope that makes sense
themungitube 2 weeks ago
@themungitube "Hope that makes sense." I am sorry but it doesn't. Atheism is simply the non belief in a God, nothing more, nothing less. It is not a belief, therefore it is not a belief system. Your beliefs inform your actions, eg. theism. Your non beliefs, eg. atheism, simply do not.
ClosedAperture 2 weeks ago
@ClosedAperture I take the view that nothing can be proven 100%, so to believe 100% there is no God, takes faith. That is therefore the belief there is no God, but you can call it a lack of belief if it helps you justify and identify with your atheistic belief system.
themungitube 1 week ago
@themungitube “I take the view that nothing can be proven 100%, so to believe 100% there is no God, takes faith.” I have never once claimed with any kind of absoluteness that God does not exist. I simply do not believe that he does. I presume you do not believe in fairies? Does your non belief in fairies require you to believe 100% that fairies do not exist? The non belief in God requires no more ‘faith’ than it takes to not believe in fairies.
ClosedAperture 1 week ago
@ClosedAperture I think it's highly unlikely fairies and the flying spagheti monster exists but as I can't prove they don't exist I hold faith that they don't rather than evidence. After all, absense of evidence is not evidence for absense. As you don't claim with absolutness God doesn't exist then I agree with you that it's a lack of belief as you are taking a more agnostic view there.
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@themungitube “After all, absense of evidence is not evidence for absense.” That isn’t entirely true, but is totally unrelated to what we are talking about.
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@themungitube Gnosticism and theism are two seperate subjects. The former deals with what you know, the later with what you believe. I am an agnostic atheist, I don't know that God does not exist, however I don't believe he does. I am presuming you are an agnostic theist, you do not know that God does exist however you believe he does. Atheism deals with what your believe, specifically the non belief in a God. It is not the claim that a God does not exist.
ClosedAperture 1 week ago
@ClosedAperture The main point I'm trying to make is that in order to believe God doesn't exist, it isn't just an unbelief, but hold a requirment that you hold\gain the believe God doesn't exist. If your undecided or don't care then you have a true lack of belief as you aren't required to believe either way. I believe in God, except I admit faith is required, I would like atheists to admit believing God doesn't exist also requires faith.
themungitube 1 week ago
@themungitube You still aren't getting this are you? For the final time. Atheism is not the belief that a God does not exist, it is the non belief in a God. For example: I am an atheist. I do not believe that a God does exist, this non belief does not require me to believe that a God doesn't exist. What part of this are you struggling with?
ClosedAperture 1 week ago
@ClosedAperture Lets grab the dictionary, disbelief = "refusal accept that something is true or real". Refusal = 'an expression of unwillingness to accept or grant an offer or request'. Refusal is an action, not the lack of one. Therefore disbelief is an action of belief to the opposite view. Only part I'm struggling with is your stubbornessto levy inch, I do however admit I'm stubborn too.
themungitube 1 week ago
@themungitube "Therefore disbelief is an action of belief to the opposite view." Absolute nonsense. Let me give you an example. To people walking down the street, lets call one atheist, the other theist. They come across a box. Theist says "I believe there is a red ball in that box" Atheist replies "Why do you believe that?" Theist laughs "Oh I don't know there is a ball in there I just believe there is!" Atheist thinks for a moment "Well I don't believe you then."
ClosedAperture 1 week ago
@ClosedAperture There are two sides to every coin, this example illustrates the theist believed the box had a ball and the atheist beleived it had no ball. Perhaps we should end that argument, it's obvious we are just going round in circles and after some reflection, it's quite a petty matter. On a much more important note I hope someday you change your mind on the God issue. I wish you luck when you die if you don't. If you are right however then no need to wish me luck back.
themungitube 1 week ago
@themungitube "...this example illustrates the theist believed the box had a ball and the atheist beleived it had no ball." No, you are wrong yet again. The atheist has simply decided to not believe the theist claim that there is a ball in the box. Not believing the theist's claim that there is a ball in the box does not mean you therefore believe there isn't a ball in the box. Exactly what part of this do you not understand?
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@themungitube "...this example illustrates the theist believed the box had a ball and the atheist beleived it had no ball." No, you are wrong yet again. The atheist has simply decided to not believe the theist claim that there is a ball in the box. Not believing the theist's claim that there is a ball in the box does not mean you therefore believe there isn't a ball in the box. Exactly what part of this do you not understand?
ClosedAperture 1 week ago
@themungitube At no point in that conversation has Atheist claimed to know what is in the box or claimed to know that there isn’t a red ball in the box. He has simply decided to not believe Theist’s claim that there is a red ball in the box. Atheists have decided to not believe theistic claims that there is a God, this non belief does not however mean they have to believe there is no God.
ClosedAperture 1 week ago
@ClosedAperture OK, I see your point there then. All too often though, atheists go out of their way to tell me there isn't a God and try to convince me of it too. In your story, it would be like the atheist then standing on the corner and shouting to passers by to ignore the theists claims and tells them there isn't a ball in the box, (despite it never being opened), rather than just walking on by and ignoring the box and the theist.
themungitube 1 week ago
@themungitube because his arguments are stupid. thats why hes a moron. he can have a robust debate without saying "ur caricaturing" or just quoting criticisms by other authors.
nguyenimproved 2 weeks ago
Why are the hosts of these shows always idiots.. it seems television is a magnet for stupidity..
Jessica616ify 2 weeks ago
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Richard Dawkins = losing/loser
13identity 2 weeks ago
@13identity not overly if you understood anything he just said
PaytonFu 2 weeks ago
@13identity Would you care to elaborate on that?
Jessica616ify 2 weeks ago
How come Dawkin's is on the news at like 4 in the morning, he is prime time worthy and he could make a much bigger impact that way.
SuperMrKieran 3 weeks ago
Some days I wake up and say, "What's this religion thing?" It depresses me when I finally realize, grown adults honestly believe this bullshit....
glitchuser4 3 weeks ago
Even this interviewer trying to do sophism, Dawkins made good answers, who doesn't agree is iracional or dishonest.
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ATBINTC 4 weeks ago
Dawkins answers are the easy way out.God is too large for his comprehension and far too complex for our deep understanding. He sounds very bitter.Something went wrong some where.But every one is entitled to their opinion.
lismorehassi 4 weeks ago
@lismorehassi Oh that's good... really good! Dawkins who uses only concrete evidence that can be seen, read, and touched is taking the easy way out... but religious people whose answer is GOD did it is the tough answer!!! Baaaaaaahahahahahahaha!
jrob24eagles 3 weeks ago
@jrob24eagles Gods evidence can be seen, read and touched.Its more tangible.Are you from N Zealand? BAAAAAAAAAH
lismorehassi 3 weeks ago
@lismorehassi So that means evidence given by Allah, Apollo, Shiva, Zeus and any other monotheistic sky ultimate Power is also concrete evidence??? Because they all have their own creation story and doctrine just as you do. Or are you stating that somehow all these people are wrong and only "YOUR GOD" created the world???
jrob24eagles 3 weeks ago
@jrob24eagles Yes brother, our God, Allah.
lismorehassi 3 weeks ago
i always support Dawkins
neronbey 1 month ago
Dawkins Deluded
xyrans 1 month ago
I'm surprised that the interviewer went the Bill O'Reilly route and mentioned Stalin, what an idiot!
MrLerv 1 month ago 15
@MrLerv You clearly aren't accustomed to watching proper interviews. The interviewer's role is to ask the questions which he or she feels are most pertinent to the general public. Several critics of atheism use the "Stalin argument", so it makes sense to give Dawkins the opportunity to address it.
weetabicks1 2 weeks ago
I'm pretty sure interviewer is just playing devil's advocate because otherwise it would only be an atheist-wank show and not "Hard talk"...
LinX1515 1 month ago
@LinX1515 It's his interviewing technique that's off, he doesn't frame his questions as those held by the public and it sounds more like he is arguing with Dawkins. But maybe that's how this show always works.
TheSobek 1 month ago
@TheSobek he sounds like a fuckin moron.
nguyenimproved 2 weeks ago
You think he's too hard on Christians....speak to Hitchens and see what it's like to be "Hitchslapped" and dismissed! Hahahahaha :)
bermudaguy1 1 month ago
@bermudaguy1 didnt he pass away??
mariyababu 4 weeks ago
@mariyababu Yeah, about a week ago!
bermudaguy1 4 weeks ago
The Dawk doesn't pussyfoot around his meaning and that makes many people uncomfortable. People need to be made uncomfortable. The shit perpetrated in the name of their imaginary friends on a daily basis is unconscionable.
TomVodkaCollins 1 month ago
@fuckmania07 well you're a jerk
kyekire 1 month ago
the interviewer is like: "Ok, I got owned in this field, let's move to the next question....... well, got owned here too, let's switch the subject"... rather pathetic way of interviewing.
bushibayushi 1 month ago 3
@bushibayushi lol
pololopo23 3 weeks ago
@bushibayushi exactly. hes a fuckin moron
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fuckmania07 1 month ago
Who is the interviewer? He is trying to converse in a subject he clearly doesn't know enough about. I can't believe he tried to link stalin with atheism?!?! Way to make yourself come off as stupid.
c3023239 1 month ago
To me, a religious person is like an handicapped person... Think what you want, but you can't walk forward.
VaguelyErected 1 month ago
Stalin killed in The Name Of Not-Believing-In-The-Loch-Ness-Monster.
Makes about as much sense as this interviewer...
BggProductions 1 month ago in playlist Richard Dawkins - BBC HARDtalk
Um, I think Dawkins actually understates the damage of religion.
AnaLoGMunKy 1 month ago
By the way, Hitler was born a roman catholist, he did not believe in it. Dawkins is wrong.
JLNLindbom 1 month ago
@JLNLindbom Hitler made his army pray before every massacre. Hitler writes in his journal "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." Popes, priests and nuns supported Hitler's regime. Hitler even states that his actions were influenced by the bible. If youre not convinced by now theres something else wrong with you..
Ikorose11 1 month ago 10
@Ikorose11 Sounds like Dawkins needs to read up on his facts then. Also sounds like Hitler was killing in the name of evolution, he believed the jews hadnt evolved to a superior state and should therefore be eliminated.
themungitube 2 weeks ago
@themungitube Actually he specifically said he despised the Jews for the same reason other Roman Catholics do - because they helped kill Jesus (PBUH)
bigglyguy 2 weeks ago
@Ikorose11 So true, not to mention the phrase 'Gott mit uns' - 'God with us' on the belts of Nazi Germany's soldiers, and the oath sworn in the name of 'God' ... people quit debating about Hitler's ideology, facts speak the truth.
Logicmaster91 2 weeks ago
@Ikorose11 Wow, I accually didn't know that.. thanks. (not trolling)
TheScotth89 2 weeks ago
@Ikorose11 Just because Hitler used religion as a scapegoat for his own personal twisted fantasies, does not mean 'religion' was the root of his problem. There's something wrong with you if you actually buy into Hitler's religious excuse.
CVLFMG 1 week ago
@CVLFMG You're missing the point of our discussion. Were talking about how Theists use the "Hitler was an Atheist" argument in their favor all the time. I presented the evidence to show that he was a practicing catholic and religious man... The bad things that religion warrants and in some cases demands is a whole other topic... =]
Ikorose11 1 week ago
@JLNLindbom. Well, thats Dawkins point, and thats what makes him right.
Nokkelfilm 1 month ago
@JLNLindbom Not true. Soldiers in Hitlers army had to swear to god on joining the force. "Gut mit uns" During the Second World War Wehrmacht soldiers wore this slogan on their belt buckles. Look it up
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Dawkins always evades the good questions (he does it well!). However, he doesn't not believe in God, he's just pissed of with him. That question is so much more interesting.
JLNLindbom 1 month ago
Fuck, the interviewer is so stupid!!!!
enternalinferno 1 month ago
I honestly think Dawkins makes a weak case in this particular interview. I think the answers he delivers are too weak, and could easily have been improved. I'm not saying I disagree with his point, but this interview is not that good.
Oskoreii 1 month ago
Dawkins thinks he is the master of reasoning. I find him lacking common sense :)
I don't like the fact that he talks to others with disrespect whom he doesn't agree with. I hate that attitude in people.
gabsave 1 month ago
@gabsave your wrong.
MrModmonster 1 month ago
Round 1
Dawkins 1 - 0 Interviewer
SpidermanInLondon 1 month ago 3
HOPE is FAITH. For an atheist he's not suppose to use HOPE in any of his statement
gondol7 1 month ago
@gondol7 There's a BIG difference between Hope an Faith, my friend... Still, I agree. Hope is not a good word to describe what atheists have in science. I'll quote Matt Dillahunty here: "I have reasonalble expectations, based on evidence. I have trust that has been earned."
DasHinchen 1 month ago
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@DasHinchen Then how can the atheists delude themselve and **believe** that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 1 month ago
@gondol7
Faith: The acceptance of a belief in contradiction or absence of evidence.
Hope: A yearning for a desired outcome.
Let's compare:
"I have faith that the rain will stop soon."
"I have hope that the rain will stop soon."
The first sentence (faith) indicates the user *believes* that the rain will stop soon, whereas the second sentence (hope) indicates the speaker wishes the rain to stop soon - but does not indicate whether or not they believe it will.
sivius 1 month ago
i prefer dawkins aproach. it is simple and direct and he shows confidence in his knowledge which is a big need in communication of the facts
imcrazy85 1 month ago
6:40 "when there is nothing else, as in northern ireland"
So the legacy of plantation and british verses irish national identity don't matter, then?
arfived4 1 month ago
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Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papacy cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM til Bible's destroyed folks
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
Anyone seen Chris Morris in Brass Eye?
XD
That guy at the beginning looks just like him...
Welcome to.... PAEDOGEDDON.
ukulazy 1 month ago
I like how they listen to each other and let each other finish their thoughts. :)
Sniiigel 1 month ago
This interviewer is a dumb little turd.
BassPlaysMe 1 month ago
fuck that bbc guys hes a dumb ass
touchmyting 1 month ago
This guy even chicken away from defending the arguments in his book when given opportunity to do so, in a serious debate. LOL
yohanesmalaysia 1 month ago
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I believe that our universe was created when a gigantic marshmallow opened its centre and expelled matter, space, time and forces into what we call our universe. This is called inanimate design, and I worship my gigantic marshmallow god in order to feed on it for eternity when I die.
misfitstattoo 2 months ago
wow fucking bbc is retarded
lol34452 2 months ago
Dawkins: *evidence, logic, informed, critical thinking*
Interviewer: *entirely emotional response, reductio ad absurdum, strawmen* "case closed!"
This is the problem with this interview.
UberNoodleX 2 months ago 53
@UberNoodleX The interviewer isn't trying to be honest, he is trying to give (possibly) hard questions which is why the show is called hardtalk.
oliethefolie 1 month ago
@oliethefolie Since when are 'hard questions' those which are rife with, and I quote my post, "entirely emotional response[s], reductio ad absurdum [and] strawmen"? That's not 'hard talk'. It's not even worth talking to such a person.
UberNoodleX 1 month ago
@UberNoodleX The reporter doesn't necessarily think what he's saying, he's just giving the most typical responses that would be "hard".
oliethefolie 1 month ago
@UberNoodleX Richard Dawkins should have a conversation with Fr. Frederick C. Copleston.
valarmanwe 1 month ago
@UberNoodleX Agreed.
Andy152R 3 weeks ago
@UberNoodleX You mean reductio ad ridiculum. Unlike reductio ad ridiculum, reductio ad absurdum is a valid logical form of argumentation. R.a. ridiculum, however, isn't.
Nalenthios 3 weeks ago
@Nalenthios From the Sceptics Universe: "In formal logic, the reductio ad absurdum is a legitimate argument. It follows the form that if the premises are assumed to be true it necessarily leads to an absurd (false) conclusion and therefore one or more premises must be false. The term is now often used to refer to the abuse of this style of argument, by stretching the logic in order to force an absurd conclusion."
So, no, I don't. I should have been clearer, however.
UberNoodleX 3 weeks ago
Richard Dawkins certainly does have a bad habit of getting interrupted all the time :) On topic, I think that debates are not about who is right and who is wrong, but about who is the most skilled at expressing themselves and manouvering around the opponents arguments. Because Dawkins is a superb speaker, his opponents often interrupt him in fear of what might come out of his mouth next.
Kingpool215 2 months ago
Dawkins is brillant , as ever......
pregler88 2 months ago 34
Interviewer is a moron, Richard did well as always.
jscholtz 2 months ago
hes a left brain prisoner, poor guy
TheEYECON1 2 months ago
Exodus 35 verse 2: "For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death." My mom's been cleaning the house last Sunday, how do you usually deal with this, fellow Christians? I was thinking stones, or a knife but it's messy, maybe choking then? What say you?
ohforfsakeletmein 2 months ago
bad host
jijweethetookniet 2 months ago
Its bad mannered to interrupt ppl who talk, so many times. Hardtalk my ass. Badmannered talk more like it.
DiablozStyx 2 months ago
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@BelieveandtrustJesus Wrong. You can't hate that which you don't believe exists. I don't hate unicorns and leprechauns; I simply don't believe they exist. What I do hate is people who try to force everyone else to believe in their fantasies. I also don't trust "his people" because they have been taught to rely on external controls. The second they perceive that they're no subject to monitoring by their god, parents, government, police, boss, neighbors etc., they are not to be trusted.
mdfouru 2 months ago
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@BelieveandtrustJesus You are setting up a false dichotomy. The rejection of someone else's belief system does not itself constitute a belief system. What is "knowing for sure"? Nothing is impossible. As an atheist, I do not believe in God because I've seen no convincing evidence. An atheist may have a belief system separately and apart from his rejection of deities. Someone may have a belief system of which atheism is a part, but that does not make atheism a belief system in an of itself.
mdfouru 2 months ago
288 people are faithheads
ChinnuWoW 2 months ago
@ChinnuWoW ...or they disliked the video?
Xigge 2 months ago
@Xigge and*
ChinnuWoW 2 months ago
@ChinnuWoW or*
Xigge 2 months ago
@Xigge you're a faithhead. and your're getting pissed off :) admit it
ChinnuWoW 2 months ago
@ChinnuWoW If you refer to atheism as a faith and/or evolution as a doktrin then yes. I do however not posess a belief in a supernatural being or fenomena, atheism is the non-belief in an all powerfull entity. I liked the video but I was simply getting tired of the cliché that people say "x people are y". Y meaning a minority of people that might take offence of it.
Xigge 2 months ago
Good questions and perfect answers
basspluto 2 months ago
@BelieveandtrustJesus You are very wrong. Is not collecting stamps a hobby? Theism has not convinced me of their claims. That is why I'm atheistic (without theism).
Onodera1980 2 months ago
I agree with Onodera1980. Atheism is not a belief system, it is the rejection of false belief systems
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lightandbeautiful 2 months ago
Has that BBC-w@nker even done his research? I mean really, bringing up Mao en Stalin, has he even read the book?
aldensusa 2 months ago
Many good points were made here. His "why can't we debate religion" argument is very short-sighted and cruelly abrasive. I'm an atheist, but one could argue religion is different from other subjects in that it defines incredibly significant aspects of people's understanding of their world -- who they are, where their loved ones have gone after they perished, what good and evil are, what the meaning of life is. Maybe they shouldn't draw these things from it, but they DO. He's being insensitive.
atticbasementattic 2 months ago
8:00 this interviewer is retarded hes saying 2 different things tring to fuck over Dawkins. Dawkins says very often religion has been the cause for deaths and horrible stuff, and then he says what about stalin and hitler who were atheist...fuck he just answered ur question
MrBadApple999 2 months ago
@MrBadApple999 Hitler's troops were Catholics and Lutherans? and they did not mind killing Jews.
pishgaman 2 months ago
@pishgaman yes but they werent doing it in the name of their religion, like Hitler wasnt doing it in the name of atheism, and like dawkins said there isnt (or i cant find any) evidence of someone killing in the name of Atheism
MrBadApple999 2 months ago
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@MrBadApple999 yet Hitler was the product of hundreds of years of Christian endorsed anti-semitism throughout Europe.
UberNoodleX 2 months ago
@UberNoodleX Hitler was raised roman catholic ;)
guyfjhbkjbkjnbkl 1 month ago
Alright, not all atheist are jerks, just like not all christians are crazy, or all muslisms suicidal. It's insane to group people up like that.
capperann 2 months ago
Fuck this man He refused to debate William lance Craig..he'll surely burn in hell..motherfucking Atheist
Richardstupid1 2 months ago
@Richardstupid1 you sound JUST like a christian (I assume)...Your God Died on the cross for your sins so that you can judge others and use filthy words...poor guy suffered on the cross for nothing if this is how you represent your God
astroprime 2 months ago
@astroprime jesus wasnt their god. but yea richardstupid1...fucking stupid
MrBadApple999 2 months ago
Stephen Sackur is not very intelligent. He is a mere sensationalist.
commoditybull2011 2 months ago
4 in the morning?! Why put something like this on at a time when nobody can see / complain about it?
3kliksphilip 2 months ago
Hitler was Jewish.
DemocracyAdvocate 2 months ago
@DemocracyAdvocate Hitler was the product of hundreds of years of Christian endorsed anti-semitism throughout Europe.
UberNoodleX 2 months ago
@UberNoodleX but he was Jewish, so he was the one whp killed his own people anyway , sadly !
DemocracyAdvocate 1 month ago
watch "nasty lies - Conspiracy Theorists" from Richard hawkins!!!
mypoliticalchannel 2 months ago
we are not saying that evultion is completely wrong, because we know adam pbuh was 60 cupids tall and that the people of prophet salih pbuh used to carve mountains and take them as shelters 26:141-149, and also the people of prophet hood 26:123-128, so there could be evolving in the same species and evolving from a specie to another specie, evolution only contradicts the quran where it says that men came from apes so if you can proof that the quran is not god's word
muslimdawa2 3 months ago
Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
lightandbeautiful 3 months ago
Atheism is not a belief system...
Onodera1980 3 months ago 103
@Onodera1980 That is why it works!
MrMikerusty 3 months ago
@Onodera1980 actually it is... :/
mrabdallahaldashti 2 months ago