ok , even though i think edward really likes bella and wants 2 protect her( 50.5 percent ) , smeyer never managed to portray that well . she made edward abusive and bella a shallow 2 dimmensional freak .
i mean with those type of characters....nothinng turns out well . in fact the whole book is a shambles .
I read one of your comments, responding to another comment, on how you think the women's rights movement should of changed Edward's belief about women. I say otherwise. I'm sure Edward sees the way women want to be treated nowdays, I believe that Edward still goes by the gender code of the Edwardian Era, regardless. I written a PM to you about it, which I hope you reply.
There's also the time where Edward forces Belle to go to the prom. (Yeah, I know - it has been used like 4218732894732 times) You are extremely right! You are very smart. xP
although i love the twilight saga and edward, i agree completely with you. one thing ive always wondered though, is they craving thirst for her blood, so much that when she has a tiny paper cut jasper attacks her BUT what happens when bellas on her period, obviosly theres loads of blood in that situation so then what happens then? oops maybe im just overthinking it all, sorry x
@Lisha506 No Ive thought that too. Also they're in high school, many of the girls are on their periods so thats alot of blood going on there as well.....who knows...
@Lisha506 No, you're not over-thinking anything. You're absolutely right. That's why it's kinda unrealistic for vampires to fall in love with human women, because what the hell happens when a human woman has her menstruation? I guess I haven't read many vampire novels, too much romance, fantasy and sci-fi. That's an excellent question, a point to consider.
Maybe, but Edward was the one with HUGE insecurities which is right up the nice guy's alley.. he even left her to show how much he loved her...you know...protecting her.....his insecurity was shown when he picked a fight with Jacob at the end of new moon. he even used the lame nice guy tactic by giving thanks to Jacob for him not being there......the movie gives the vibe that Edward knew exactly what he was doing....
I'd also like to make a point if that's alright: the amount of psychological damage most of the characters place on Bella is astounding! Her Mother forces her to be the caretaker, then her Father inadvertently does the same yet he tries to force his control on her at random moments, causing for the family boundary systems to be complete chaos. Then we have Edward who should be helping her come into her own except he does the exact opposite
he takes away the caretaker role causing Bella to fall into a more dependent state so that when he exerts control she accepts it because he has taken away any power she believes she has. Now Jacob, he forces Bella into the caretaker role again because if she doesn't love Jacob she is a horrible person (which her Father readily endorses this thought process, I mean he might as well be pimping her out) Now while i enjoy the character Alice, she does this to Bella as well.
Alice tries to force Bella into the role of the stereotypical high class female, which is only forcing control over her yet again. If the character truly cared for Bella she would compromise with her more often instead of forcing her way. Honestly Bella is more of her dress up doll then her friend. Emmet, Esme,and Jasper I can't really add to this because they have so little interaction with Bella it's amazing that they are even characters in this story sometimes.
Rosalie pushes Bella even further down constantly attacking her through out the story under the pretense "You have what I don't I hate you." because that is a healthy relationship. Now we have Carlise, he is the observer watching this play out and he has to know the type of damage being done and he does absolutely nothing. He is uncaring he will neither help nor hurt Bella because he doesn't care.
On a smaller note Bella's friends see that her Boyfriend has taken over her life yet nothing is done to help her. Instead they only focus on their own selves and rarely make any significant impact on her life, showing that she has NO support system to fall back on and so to her mind to leave Edward or any of them would mean that she would be cast out and to our human psyche being cast out namely means death to us. So she stays because she doesn't know better and there is no where to go.
Now onto our supposed Heroine. She has courage we see it in the last book for her child and in the pages where her thoughts can be heard, well when they aren't filled with Edward or Jacob. We know she's not completely destroyed by this destructive system around her & yet she never leaves. Infact she stays (I suspect) knowingly, to be the groups little own punching bag. I only hope that when she does snap she won't hate herself for staying.
WOW that was long. Sorry about that. But anyway I've read all the books and I have each one (found them in a dumpster) I keep them not because of any love for them but because they show the psychological abuse in the best way possible,as I am studying psychology I can find this aspect very interesting. And yes I know I am 3 years too late to the party but oh well.
you fucking people, look hear some your dating wants to hang with some friend right? ok no big deal. antill you see that oh shit one of the people said friend follows around disfigured his significant other. you want to talk about abuse? talk about that then. Jesus. would really want your significant other hanging around people that can do that to them at a moments notice.
@roccoangeles I did talk about Sam and his girlfriend. In Edward's case though, it's hypocrisy to say that Jacob is dangerous when he himself was wanted to murder Bella a million times over, and considering his "brother" nearly did so once as well. Yeah, that's why he left her, bla bla bla but guess what? He came back, and he's still with her, and still totally a vampire that wants to eat her.
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EDWARD IS NOT CONTROLLING HE IS PROTECTING HER I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO READ THE BOOKS AGAIN IN ECLIPSE HE ASKS HER IF SHE IS COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT SHE IS DOING. HE DOES NOT FORCE HER TO DO ANYTHING IN NEW MOON HE THOUGHT HE LOST HER SO IN ECLIPSE HE FEELS VERY PROTECTIVE I THINK IT'S VERY CUTE. OF COURSE I KNOW NOT EVERYBODY WILL LIKE TWILIGHT EVERYBODY HAS THER OWN OPINIONS BU I LOVE TWILIGHT OF COURSE THERE IS NOT A REAL EDWARD BUT THERE ARE SOME REAL GENTLEMEN
@ChristinaMariah Sorry, I'm not interested in having a boyfriend who stalks me, watches me sleep, and tells me what to do and who to see and talk to. A true gentleman genuinely cares for a girl/woman and gives the respect she deserves; not lock her away from the world and manipulate her mind into thinking that she can't live without him.
Funny thing, Robert Pattinson has openly admitted that he finds Edward to be one of the most detestable characters he's ever portrayed. He's also referred to Smeyer as being "completely mad."
I am not trying to be mean I respect your opion( sorry about spelling). There are two places where bella has not been safe with jacob. 1- when bella was looking for Jacob at his house. He was asleep in his bed. So she went out side where the rest of thewolfpack was and asked them what did yall do to him. one of the guys got mad becasue bella pushed him. So he turned into a wolf. So jacob had to save her. 2- After school one day bella goes to the medow and Laurent come also. he tryed to kill her.
@ginnyclassof08 She's never been any less safe around Jacob than she has been around Edward. When I talk about her safety in relation to Jacob it's because of Edward's hypocrisy.
@fromthisgirl how is he a hypocrite? he told her it was dangerous to be around him in twilight. it was proven in new moon and by eclipse, it wasnt a problem anymore.
@livihasaname4u He tells her he's dangerous but sticks around her anyway and then makes it more of a point to keep her around him at all times. I'd say that's hypocrisy.
@fromthisgirl have you read midnight sun? on one hand, he wants her to realize hes bad for her and stay away. and he wants to stay away too. but on the other hand, his attraction to her is so strong, it rivals his thirst. he just cant be away from her. he tried twice in the series. and both time were a fail. hes not a hypocrite. hes in love.
@fromthisgirl bella wasnt taken when edward fell in love with her. now im not saying he might not have still went after her. but thats speculation. not what happened. then he went after her when edward left. but she was damaged goods. really. and when edward came back, the two of them were going stronger than ever. i get that jacob was in love. but he should have backed off. not kiss her before taking her back to her boyfriend. was he justified? maybe. was he right? no. was edward right? yes.
@fromthisgirl bella choose edward. even if no one agrees with that its a fact. it doesnt matter if jacob was in love with her. she was taken. and that make jacob wrong. if iwas in his position, i may have done the same thing. and i dont hate him for it...i respect him for fighting for her and being true. but that doesnt change the fact that he was dead wrong.
there was 2 points where bella was with jacob when it was dangerous. 1- it was in new moon when she was at Jacobs house. and she couldnt find him so she went to the wolf pack. She ask what did u yall do to him. And one of them got mad. So Jacob had to save her.
The other example was after school one day bella went to her and edwards medow and Laurentcame in the field. Laurent was going to kill her so Jacob and the wolf pack had to come and save her.
I agree on a lot of these, but I also think that Jacob was worse. Both kisses were about power, not love. It was a game to him. He said as much in Eclipse.
Charlie was an absentee father ignoring everything under his own nose.
Sam abused his girlfriend physically (accident or not one point Edward was right on was leaving/staying away from Bella which the wolves never did. Depression was her own fault and no one else's.
Look at all those types of examples and you'll understand the Mormons.
There are people out there trying to turn this into a "but he's a vampire" argument. As an ex-Mormon and knowing all the workings and beliefs of the Mormon church, I can guarantee that the writer, Stephenie Meyer, based Edward off them and the church believes (even if they never say it) that the guy is always right and the women have to do what they say. Priesthood power, and all that shit.
@Buffy8Fan And aside from that, the fact that he's a vampire really takes a backseat to everything. So much of their relationship is simply based off the strange way they handle each other, there isn't a big enough focus on his vampirism to give anyone any real reason to think that it's the source of all his stupid behavior.
@fromthisgirl That part I disagree with a little. It's his age that makes him do the things he does. The fact that he grew up when women were nothing more than birthing tools and property and the fact that he is around now, in the present, is because he's a vampire.
@Buffy8Fan But you don't think that at this point, having lived through the feminist movement and all that, that he would have changed his mind over how he sees and treats women?
Although, I suppose all of that's irrelevant, since it's not like Meyer wrote him to be intentionally sexist. She probably thinks he's the biggest activist for equal rights amongst the sexes or something.
@fromthisgirl I think he's less controlling than Jacob ever will be (the two forced kisses to me will always be equal to rape attempts because they were about power and games just like rape and Edward eventually gets over the controlling issues. That's what his arc of the book was about; learning to deal with it. Bella's dad is also no better than Jacob in that whole "do as I say even though I know nothing about your life" attitude. Edward is a prince next to Bella, Jacob, and Charlie.
@fromthisgirl Not if you have read Midnight Sun. He is so bored by life before he meets Bella that the world in general he doesn't look at with emotion. So he wouldn't understand the feminist movement even if he read about it in a book or saw it personally. He had to experience it with the triangle of him, Bella and Jacob.
@Buffy8Fan Wait, why does one have to not be bored and have to have met a girl in order to understand the feminist movement? Should I have relationships with Black people to understand the Civil Rights Movement? Shouldn't I just garner information about it and THINK? My husband didn't have to be married or in a relationship with me to understand that women need equal treatment. Are you really saying Edward is that stupid?
@fromthisgirl First, the reason I said he was bored was because it was one of the first lines in the transcript. Second, I am not saying that about feminist movement. What I'm saying is that reading about it is not understanding it, experiencing it is. That happens through all four books not just during one. It is a good side affect to Edward leaving. Otherwise Bella would have been a divorcee out in the world alone like my parents are now with their relationship.
@Buffy8Fan I'm not understanding what your point is anymore. Do you mean that Edward wouldn't understand women's rights until he met Bella? That's what you're saying, right?
@fromthisgirl My point is that Edward has to live through the experiences of what he does in all four books in order to truely understand them. Otherwise he is just an observer who has read about emotions like love and feminism but doesn't understand them, that is all. Despite the fact that all three main characters act like idiots for the majority of the books it helps them learn from it as well.
@Buffy8Fan You can't plop feminism and love as being the same thing. Can Edward not understand love until he experiences it firsthand? Sure, most people in life will not understand love until they know it themselves. Can one understand feminism without experiencing sexism against them firsthand? Yes, yes they can. Absolutely. He is NOT just an observer when it comes to feminism, and thus there is no excuse for him to be so sexist.
@fromthisgirl Growing up in his period of the early 1900's he sees it as protectiveness and slowly realizes it is overprotectiveness over the course of the series therefore loosens it down to true protectiveness. Personally I have recently started thinking that all; three main characters (Edward, Bella and Jacob) made bad decisions that slowly needed fixing over the course of the series, not just Edward.
@Buffy8Fan How is it that you think they actually learned anything though? The way I see it they just changed their stupidity in different ways as the books went on.
Both Edward and Jacob are controlling and Obsessive(Jacob more so than Edward IMO) but Bella is the one that takes their crap.I mean seriously after the first book it just got too much 2 take
You have to keep in mind that edward is a VAMPIRE, he follows her around because he is supposed to stalk women and kill them. He is not human so he feel like she is more fragile than she really is
@setustraight Vampires don't stalk women by trade, they stalk people in general, but Edward isn't even in the habit of doing that considering he stopped killing people ages ago. It's not an excuse. He stalked her because he simply wanted to know what she was doing at all hours. He did it because he wanted to, that was all.
@setustraight Except that I do. They have been known to stalk women, but it isn't like we're talking about an incubus, that is known primarily to go for women.
And then, like I said, this doesn't even apply to the situation because Edward wasn't going around stalking girls. He was stalking the one girl that he felt obsessed with because he couldn't read her mind so he was using other people to eavesdrop on her. It wasn't a vampire thing.
↓ I wish girls would stop making excuses. Do they actually want to be thrown around like that?! I decided to read Twilight because it's 18 AR points, but REALLY? Why do girls think Edward isnt controlling or abusive. I just end up seeing stupid stuff like "He's just being protective!" The way I see it is that he's obsessed with her. I haven't got to that part yet, but I heard he watched her while she was sleeping! WTF? One person said that was romantic!!!!
"Let go!" I insisted. He ignored me. I staggered along sideways across the wet sidewalk until we reached the Volvo.*skip*"You are so pushy!" I grumbled. "It's open," was all he responded. He got in the drivers side. "I am perfectly capable of driving myself home!" *skip* "Get in Bella." I didnt answer. I was mentally calculating my chances of reaching the truck beforehe could catch me. I had to admit, they werent good. "I'll just drag you back," he threatened.
i agreee! i like the series but Bella is by far the most annoying character. she does take all of edwards shit. i know the series has A LOT of faults, but i think it has potential, if stephanie meyer would of put more time and effort it couldve been really awesome.
@missyessi Yeah, I mean I do like the general idea of paranormal being falls in love with regular human, that's pretty typical in paranormal YA, I just don't like how Meyer executed her ideas. There are so many scenes that she wrote in which I enjoy the idea, but I absolutely hate how she ends up handling it.
i was almost getting sick in that scene where he takes the enigies from her car! and she didn´t even say something about it? omg, i I would freak out if it was me!
oh ... one of the most disgusting scene is where he sits staring at her while she sleeps, yark
To be honest, Edward irritates me already.But in the first place I didn`t liked him.I prefer Carlisle.Edward is immature brat.And as we add the abuse, it is a guarantee to hate him forever.Too bad, that stupid Bella agree to be abused.I also pity the stupid fangirls, who are passing out for him.It is suprising how many women are in the world, that allow to be abused by boyfriends.I can`t explain otherwise this huge obsession of so many teen girls for this immature boy.Women like being abused.
Edward sucks! Bella sucks too but Edward is really really abusive. I've seen such signs in men...okay even if a guy is hostile because another man comes close to his woman and he becomes jealous..he should really deal with his insecurities in a different way...don't deal with it by controlling the girl's actions love her and be there for her, listen to her, be affectionate, be caring/understanding, take time to know her she'll stay with you when you see her as your equal don't call her a slut.
@arielc1ful Exactly, most couples have to deal with jealousy at some point or another (I've already dealt with it once in my marriage) but only the healthy ones learn to control and talk about their insecurities. They unhealthy ones end up ruining things for each other.
i waz agreeing right until you started critcizing the whole cullen family. Rosalie is supposed to be shallow-thats her character and who she is. Alice is supposed to be that fun live spirit who always does positive things. and Esme had always been that motherly type person-even before her vampire life. and you didn't mention that later in the book edward DID let bella see jacob....anywho other than i wanted to say funny you should mention leah clearwater CONTINUED
@ameygirl323 Rosalie is shallow, and this would be fine if the other characters weren't also one-dimensional stereotypes. Alice is intensely materialistic, she'll go as far as keeping someone hostage for a shiny new car. And Esme is ONLY ever shown to be all about being a mother. We're told Rosalie is good with cars and we're told Esme does something with architecture, but all we ever see is two baby-obsessed women and one shopaholic. Look at the men in turn, who are far more interesting.
I just have to say: This is ridiculous. You have no argument! You're going on like you think you're so intelligent, but it's really just nonsense! The engine!? Really!? He's fucking jealous! It's a story!! Edward is more like ridiculously accepting! When Bella realizes she also loves Jacob he tells her that he would be okay if she wanted to be with both of them! Now, that's very unrealistic, but abusive? It's a story--that's all. So get a grip.
I just have to say: This is ridiculous. You have no argument! You're going on like you think you're so intelligent, but it's really just nonsense! The engine!? Really!? He's fucking jealous! It's a story!! Edward is more like ridiculously accepting! When Bella realizes she also loves Jacob he tells her that he would be okay if she wanted to be with both of them! Now, that's very unrealistic, but abusive? It's a story--that's all. So get a grip.
I just have to say: This is ridiculous. You have no argument! You're going on like you think you're so intelligent, but it's really just nonsense! The engine!? Really!? He's fucking jealous! It's a story!! Edward is more like ridiculously accepting! When Bella realizes she also loves Jacob he tells her that he would be okay if she wanted to be with both of them! Now, that's very unrealistic, but abusive? It's a story--that's all. So get a grip.
It was never "emotional abuse". Edward was ALWAYS thinking about Bella's emotions, always about Bella's welfare. It obviously didn't bother Bella very much because they got MARRIED and had a BABY. And yes, his family memebers were a danger, hence Edward making his family and himself leave in New Moon because he saw that danger. And oh for the love of Pete! IT'S A BOOK. This is pretty funny, how people make "relashionship abuse" videos on Youtube about a BOOK.
@smilesgirl808 Wait, so marriage guarantees that the relationship is healthy? Ohhh, I never got that! Hmm.. I wonder what the explanations are behind the high divorce rates in our country then? It bothered Bella a lot actually, you can find many situations in which she gets upset, to the point of crying, because Edward is being unfair, she just never actually does anything about it.
@smilesgirl808 You obviously don't seem to think books can have any kind of influence on people, you need to learn that before you can start an argument over me making a video on it.
Everything Edward does is to prtect Bella. Or atleast he thinks its protecting her. Bella does get her own way sometimes but hes very protective of her. Anyway.. People need to stop gettin so into it. Its a BOOK! They're relationship is pure fiction. Its not real! Don't like the way Edward is with Bella? Theres this little thing called putting the book down and not reading the rest of the series!
Were not going to agree on this, and thats fine. You think he has possessive/abusive traits. I agree. I think the fact that hes a vampire, hes allowed some benefit of the doubt, you dont. Lets assume your right for the sake of our argument. Whats the solution? We are only allowed to have heroes that have no character flaws? If your thought is that this is destroying women than once again we disagree. and this is certainly not the biggest threat to women from the entertainment industry.
While saying not to make assumptions, you assume what Myers is writing about. In no interview or statement has she said there is any message to this story other than a love story between a human girl and a vampiric male. You then assume you know how and what a Vampire should feel, despite the fact that they are fictitious. Bottm line, you cant judge Vampires by human standards, which you do.
The author never said that, nor has she ever spoke of any outside agenda other than writing a fictitious book. The Forks world she created is certainly fictitious,. Forks in general isnt. Seeing as you found a metaphor involving an ant "unsettling" explains alot. Im not easily unsettled so if that is that disturbing I imagine Twilight did rock you hard. I still think the majority can handle it, I think you underestimate women quite a bit.
Its interesting, its never fascinated me, it and sociology both take what we already know and try to make it sound ground breaking. You kind of rinsed and repeated what I said but gave it a new twist. Noone is debating abused women dont always make good choices. They always show signs of abuse, no abused woman stays cheerful. Feeling cautious around the abuser, depression, lonliness, there is always signs. Bella has none of these when she is with Edward.
I was unaware that your selling point was that Vampires shouldnt date humans. We are on the same side of this, luckily I dont think its a very common problem.
Now back to the fictitious world of Forks. He seems to have remorse for his actions, and fixed them entirely in the instance of Jacob. His control issues remain throughout and theres no reason to think he doesnt still have them even when Bella is a vampire. Does his being a monster excuse it, debatable, I feel its to be expected
Edwards dating Bella is the equivalent of a human dating a piss ant. If you loved a piss ant can you imagine how protective youd be? I mean even a light rain would scare the hell out if you if you didnt know where they were.
Vampires rape and murder women... Edward overprotects them. If he was a human Id think hes a little creepy, but for a vampire, hes a fricking gentleman.
Bella did feel hurt when Edward would not allow her to see Jacob, and the break up obviously. Although both in theory was for her protection, we can agree I am sure that jealousy could have easily played a role with the Jacob situation. Edwards behavior in this instance was a negative as it is hurting his partner emotionally. When she expressed that, Edward apologizes and supports her relationship with Jacob.
Your saying that women who are abused dont always seek help. I agree. Women who are abused however, regardless to if they seek help, feel abused. When someone emotionally abuses you, you feel hurt, now due to low self esteem and other reasons you may internalize it and not complain, or try to get help/escape it. Bella never shows signs of feeling abused.
i dont understand where you guys think hes abusive. sure he can be a little bit contolling but that doesn't mean hes abusive. My best friend was in an abusive relationship and edward looks like a saint compared to my bestfriends ex. And it's not like he likes hurting her. if he ever hurts her at all he feels so bad.
I agree with you completly. Bella is a weak character in general, but that doesn't excuse his abusive tendencies. He left her in the middle of the forest with no way home in New Moon. And to top it off, she become suicidal over it. My aunt is in a similar situation right now (she's not sucidal, but it's obvious that she's scared of her soon-to-be ex-husband.) let me tell you, it's agrivating for the woman's family when that happens and they know about it.
Ive seen through some of the comments people talking about Twilight being antif-feminist. Feminism is about womens right. Womens right to become whatever they desire to be. Not a womans right to become whatever feminists think she should be.
Ok, alright, drop everything for "your man", don't to college because... your pregnant at 18, like a tutor or online course isn't an option, and act like your life is over every time "your man" leaves because he has a life. And just go for the guy that glitters, character is of no importance.
See your doing it right here. You just condemed every woman that accidentally gets pregnant and puts off college to have her child. By the "Drop everything for your man" comment I am guessing that any woman who aspires to be a stay at home mom and raise her kids is out. So a woman, can only be a proud woman, if she lives her life by the standards that you set, instead of the standards her husband and her set. Interesting.
She is weak in comparison to him. Once she becomes a Vampire those issues go away. He is no longer overly protective once Bella can fend for herself. Your judging their relationship in comparison to a human/human relationship. They dont have that, however once they are equals with Vampire/Vampire they have a equal relationship. If your point is that girls shouldnt date vampires, then I agree, but I think there isnt much risk of that.
@Culture261 I've already mentioned before that it's not a matter of physical strength. It comes down to the fact that Edward doesn't respect Bella, nor does he understand her and hardly makes an attempt to understand her. She likewise uses manipulation on him in order to get her way, but that's usually after he's gone and done something wrong. I mean he treats her like she's weak as in that she can't think or decide anything for herself, and so he must do it for her.
@DaniNicoleJRE That's only because he can't physically force her to do anything anymore. He can't lock her anywhere against her will because she'd break out. He was going to force her to abort Nessie except that she got Rosalie to defend her. It's not a matter of respect, it's a matter of losing his power. And the last book having him be less controlling doesn't make what he did in the first three books suddenly okay.
@fromthisgirl He never "physically forced her to really do anything except kind of holding her histage if that counts as physical. He was going to force her to abort nessie cause it was killing her.
@DaniNicoleJRE That is forcing someone to do something by physical force, she can't fight any of them. If they were human, she might be able to, what's keeping her is their physical abilities over her. Keeping her hostage, not letting her even touch Jacob (specifically in that scene where he shows up at her school, look up the words that go something like "Edwards arms had become restraints.") and dismantling her engine.
@fromthisgirl its not like hes intent is to hurt bella and be like "hmm bella really likes jacob, well im going to not let her see him cause im bored and i feel like it" no his intent is "Bella is my whole life, i know what werewolves can do, what sam di to emily or owrse, and bella is a danger magnet so i have to protect her"
@fromthisgirl Edward only does these thinks because he thinks werewolves are dangerous. he doesn't want what happened to Emily to happen to bella. Especially cause jacob is a young werewolve.
@DaniNicoleJRE Also, yes Nessie was killing her, but she wanted to have her, and Edward didn't care to listen to a thing she said until someone else interfered.
Bella wanted the baby Edward wanted abortion: Bella got the baby.
Bella wanted to have sex before she is transformed, Edward didnt: They did Bella wanted to become a Vampire, Edward didnt want her to. She became a Vampire Bella wanted to stay with Jacob at reservation, Edward apologized for stopping her and conceded.
Bella was confused with her feelings witih Jacob, Edward gave her all the time she wanted.
@Culture261 Bella got the baby by having another vampire stand in the way, not because they talked it out and Edward chose to respect her wishes. Them having sex was probably the most mutual decision placed by them, yet even before that it was months of manipulating each other for it. Bella became a vampire also by manipulation, Edward turned her because she was dying, again, not because they talked it out. Edward apologized only after having removed a piece of the engine from her car.
You are correct with the baby, I had forgotten about Rosalie defending her and what not. Edward turned her because she was dying but it was predetermined. He offered to change her and she said no because she wanted to go to college and stay human for awhile longer. So his hand was forced, but it was no hint that he wouldnt do it whenever she wanted. Vampires seduce and kill women, how bad can Edward be?
@Culture261 Recall in the first book when Bella doesn't want to go to prom, who makes her go? When she wants to turn into a vampire, who says no? When she insists beyond anything that Jacob is her best friend, who tells her they can't be friends? Edward. Who decides to break the relationship off because he thinks his ideas are best? Who decides to steal Bella's stuff because he figures that'll be better for her healing process?
@fromthisgirl but prom is different. and she says herself she likes it cause she was there with him. he didn't do it in a mean way he knows she wants to be a vampire so he wants her to do human thing that seniors would do.
@DaniNicoleJRE So it's okay if people force you into things because they feel you'll enjoy it later? What if Bella hadn't enjoyed it after all, wouldn't him forcing her still be wrong? Do you like being forced into things because people insist you should do these things when you repeatedly say no? It doesn't matter that she had fun, what matters is that Edward is under the impression he knows what's best for Bella better than Bella does.
@fromthisgirl he wants her to live like every other human,. im not saying it's right of him to assume she wants to go or "force" if you will but if i didn't want to go to prom and than my boyfriend suprised me and took me I wouldn't be like "oh my god, abusive" i would be like uhhh i really don't want to go but oh well.
@fromthisgirl no but the point iss that since bella wants to become a vampire so bad edward doesn't want his presence to effect bella being human. obviously they are very attached to each other and bella would drop her firneds in a heart beat to be with him and he doesn't want that.
@DaniNicoleJRE He never says he doesn't want her to drop her friends (by the way, the fact that you point out how easily she'd leave all her friends is only further proof of how unhealthy the relationship is) he only worries about the damnation of their souls. He doesn't care about Bella hanging out with friends, that's why he monopolizes her time.
@DaniNicoleJRE Yet his behavior is the opposite of that, you said he doesn't want her to drop her friends, yet he even goes to the point of telling Tyler Bella won't be available as far as he's concerned, all because Tyler liked Bella. Did Bella say she disliked Tyler? No, she was annoyed he thought they were going to prom together, but she didn't dislike him, and Edward didn't bother to ask her opinion on the matter. He was doing the same thing in his head over Mike and Jessica.
@DaniNicoleJRE And Mike wasn't a bad guy either, he liked her, and thus wanted to go out with her. Edward acts as if he's the first guy who ever had to deal with someone else liking the girl he likes too. He fantasizes about hurting Mike, and keeping him away from Bella. He also wants to keep Jessica away, even though if he could read Bella's mind he'd find Bella's thoughts to be equally as mean to Jessica as Jessica's were to Bella, which, to begin with, weren't that bad.
@fromthisgirl he never said that he didn't want jessica to be bella's friend. he said that what she is thinking towards bella is rude and he wants to protect her. secondly mike is always all over bella so of coures edward would be jealous.
@DaniNicoleJRE HIm wanting to "protect" her from Jessica implies he doesn't want Jessica around her. He doesn't have to say it for it not to be true. He also shouldn't let his jealousy get to him when it comes to Mike, men who do are the type that become controlling and abusive.
@fromthisgirl everyone gets jealous that doesn't mean your abusive. and him wantingto protect her doensn't imply that. it implies thta he doens't want jessica saying or thinking that. he never once says anything upfront to bella about not hanging with jessica. he never forces her to not hang out with her. and he would have to say it or do something that clearly shows he's keeping her away from bella or else thats just speculation/ opinion not evidence
@DaniNicoleJRE I already explained that Edward's LEVEL of jealousy is what makes him abusive, not the mere fact that he's experienced it. It does imply that, he wanted to protect Bella from Jessica, not from general bad thoughts of people, and it's obvious that he doesn't like Jessica as it is. He never says anything upfront because Meyer won't write something so obvious, she writes him as wanting to be with her SO MUCH that he takes up ALL of her time.
@fromthisgirl he may be a little contolling but not abusive. I've been in an a abusive relationship and edward looks like a saint compared to my ex. Also Bella really doesn't like jessica that much either. than again who would shes very mean spirited. And because meyer didn't write edward that way means he's not that way. thats how she wrote him...therefore thats how he is.
@DaniNicoleJRE Look, you were in an abusive relationship, this does not make you an expert on what constitutes as abuse. Abuse isn't always the same exact way in every situation, so while your ex might have abused you one way, another guy doesn't have to do the same exact thing for it to count as abuse.
@DaniNicoleJRE Wait, back up a second. Have you ever taken a comprehensive reading class? Because without that knowledge, you'd never be able to understand this. Let's backtrack a second from this and go to Meyer's writing. Meyer writes Edward to be a perfect man, yes? He's sweet, he's kind, he protects Bella from any possible danger.
@DaniNicoleJRE He's SO in love with her, in fact that any sign of danger AT ALL on her life freaks him out. He doesn't want her to hurt herself in the slightest. Now Meyer wants to show us why he should have reason to worry- Bella is reckless with who she chooses to be friends with. First vampires, then werewolves, and naturally this gives Edward reason to panic.
@DaniNicoleJRE Except that Edward's "worries" take him so far, he becomes abusive. Now Meyer isn't thinking this, she's not doing this on purpose, I never once believed she wrote Edward to be intentionally abusive. She thinks his behavior is romantic. So him being SO extreme with worrying leads him to do crazy things out of love, right?
@DaniNicoleJRE Except that these crazy things are abusive things, but Meyer drills it into your head that he's only doing it because he's just SO worried about her. She constantly makes it about love, love, love.
@DaniNicoleJRE Now, take a guy like Edward and put him in reality. There's this normal guy Edward who has a normal girlfriend named Bella, and she's really clumsy and she hangs out with people who Edward doesn't like. Maybe they're druggies, maybe they're gangsters, whatever, doesn't matter. Basically Edward thinks they're dangerous and doesn't want her near them.
@DaniNicoleJRE So he tells Bella she can't hang out with them anymore. Bella says they're her extremely close friends, that when Edward was gone, they were the ones to help her get through the hard times, and thus she's formed a close bond with them. But Edward says no, she can't be around them. So then one night she sneaks out and tries to go see one of them.
@DaniNicoleJRE And he realizes this and gets in her way, forcing her to go back to her room. This is basically Eclipse, without the supernatural parts. But it's the same thing, because even if you're basing it on Edward being worried about her safety, it's still wrong to tell someone they're not allowed to see certain people.
@DaniNicoleJRE But Meyer really thinks that this behavior is okay, because Edward is doing it out of love. Do you know how many men who abuse their wives are genuinely in love with them? Abuse doesn't come from hate, abuse develops from a lack of control. Edward can't control Bella, he tries and she keeps trying to sneak by, so he physically forces control on her.
@DaniNicoleJRE So Edward can be in love all he wants, it doesn't make the actions okay. And because Meyer writes that Edward does "extreme" (her words) things out of love, she would never write him saying anything abusive, because she doesn't think he's abusive, she thinks his behavior is romantic. So she wrote him to BE romantic, but he TURNED OUT abusive.
@DaniNicoleJRE Nope. Because I can write a character and tell you she was intended as a good person, but that character walks around being mean to people, hurting people, or whatever, and that would then lead the character to obviously be bad. Meyer wrote him to be good, because she thinks abusive characteristics are romantic. So she wrote him as abusive without realizing that's what she was doing, but she still wrote him as abusive. His actions are still that of an abuser.
@fromthisgirl Not really. Maybe you've never been in an abusive relationship but i have and edward cullen is not abusive. he may be over protective but def. not abusive.
@DaniNicoleJRE I told you this before, and I'm not trying to offend you, but just because you've been in an abusive relationship doesn't mean Edward isn't abusive. Not all abuse is the same. And I won't tell you if I've been in an abusive relationship before, because quite frankly that's personal and I don't see what it has to do with this discussion.
@fromthisgirl ok first of all if edward was an abuser than he wouldn't have left bella for 9 months, abusers need people to abuse, he would have come back or found someone knew. Second abusers are slefish they don't give a shit whats good for the person there abusing, so why would he leave . Third, Edward at the begging didnt want to be around bella because he didn't want ot hurt her.
@DaniNicoleJRE He did come back.. remember? And he got worse we he got back. Also, you're again mistaking the idea that Edward is written to intentionally abuse Bella- he's not, there isn't a plan laid out for him to abuse her, so your 9 months point doesn't work here. "Abusers are selfish and don't give a shit" it's like you haven't been listening to anything I've been saying....
@DaniNicoleJRE And abuser, you have to understand this, is NOT always someone who hates the person being abused, often enough they deeply love the person they're abusing, but have emotional issues that lead them to abuse this person. It doesn't have to be intentional for it to be abuse, do you understand?
@fromthisgirl Fourth, Edward was reading the page from wuthering heights that was talking baout someone hating domeone but not killing them because there partner loved them. Thats how Edward feels toward jacob. i'm pretty sure that an abuser would be pissed of at the girl as well if someone tried to kiss her, hang around her etc. but Edward getrs over it.
@DaniNicoleJRE Edward doesn't get over it, and his abuse doesn't ALWAYS center around Jacob. The abuse and jealousy issues that come from Bella's friendship with Jacob are only a small part of it, Edward still does a lot of things against Bella's decisions, like the time he chose to invite Jacob to the wedding when she said not to. Any man that respects his girl wouldn't just ignore her wishes like that.
@DaniNicoleJRE And it isn't the only time he's done that, i've already given you examples of the times Edward jus ignores Bella's decisions (major and minor ones) because HE always thinks HIS decisions are the right ones, which shows a major lack of respect for her.
@fromthisgirl Fifth, Abusers do things like telling there other how to act/dress, edward never does that. Unless hes telling bella not to be recless(which makes sense) sixth, Edward say this "You only have to risk your life every second you spend with me, thats surely not much. You only have to turn your back on nature, on humanity whats that worth" this hsows he doesn't want her away from her friends,
@DaniNicoleJRE You really don't know the full range of abuse, do you? I think that this is why you can't understand Edward being abusive, you don't get that all abusers don't act the exact same way. You seem to think there's only one way an abuser behaves, and that's far from the truth.
ok , even though i think edward really likes bella and wants 2 protect her( 50.5 percent ) , smeyer never managed to portray that well . she made edward abusive and bella a shallow 2 dimmensional freak .
i mean with those type of characters....nothinng turns out well . in fact the whole book is a shambles .
lidiaryabova 2 days ago
I read one of your comments, responding to another comment, on how you think the women's rights movement should of changed Edward's belief about women. I say otherwise. I'm sure Edward sees the way women want to be treated nowdays, I believe that Edward still goes by the gender code of the Edwardian Era, regardless. I written a PM to you about it, which I hope you reply.
VoldyTwilight2 3 days ago
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VoldyTwilight2 1 week ago
C'mon, I mean he left her in the woods alone in the second book. He didn't even make sure she got a safe ride home. He's such a jerk.
DoOdLeBaKa 4 months ago 3
There's also the time where Edward forces Belle to go to the prom. (Yeah, I know - it has been used like 4218732894732 times) You are extremely right! You are very smart. xP
LeiraSays 7 months ago
although i love the twilight saga and edward, i agree completely with you. one thing ive always wondered though, is they craving thirst for her blood, so much that when she has a tiny paper cut jasper attacks her BUT what happens when bellas on her period, obviosly theres loads of blood in that situation so then what happens then? oops maybe im just overthinking it all, sorry x
Lisha506 8 months ago
@Lisha506 No Ive thought that too. Also they're in high school, many of the girls are on their periods so thats alot of blood going on there as well.....who knows...
emilyruth4god 2 months ago
@Lisha506 No, you're not over-thinking anything. You're absolutely right. That's why it's kinda unrealistic for vampires to fall in love with human women, because what the hell happens when a human woman has her menstruation? I guess I haven't read many vampire novels, too much romance, fantasy and sci-fi. That's an excellent question, a point to consider.
evakrysstal 3 weeks ago
Edward is just a control freakish asshole and Bella is stupid to let him control her like that, they are definately perfect for each other.
orlandobabe 8 months ago 2
the movie is based on nice guy vs bad boy in relationships....
TechnoNubian 9 months ago
@TechnoNubian
More like soft core masturbation Mormon porn.
moabkelley 9 months ago
@moabkelley
Maybe, but Edward was the one with HUGE insecurities which is right up the nice guy's alley.. he even left her to show how much he loved her...you know...protecting her.....his insecurity was shown when he picked a fight with Jacob at the end of new moon. he even used the lame nice guy tactic by giving thanks to Jacob for him not being there......the movie gives the vibe that Edward knew exactly what he was doing....
TechnoNubian 9 months ago
I'd also like to make a point if that's alright: the amount of psychological damage most of the characters place on Bella is astounding! Her Mother forces her to be the caretaker, then her Father inadvertently does the same yet he tries to force his control on her at random moments, causing for the family boundary systems to be complete chaos. Then we have Edward who should be helping her come into her own except he does the exact opposite
Kinasha15 9 months ago
he takes away the caretaker role causing Bella to fall into a more dependent state so that when he exerts control she accepts it because he has taken away any power she believes she has. Now Jacob, he forces Bella into the caretaker role again because if she doesn't love Jacob she is a horrible person (which her Father readily endorses this thought process, I mean he might as well be pimping her out) Now while i enjoy the character Alice, she does this to Bella as well.
Kinasha15 9 months ago
Alice tries to force Bella into the role of the stereotypical high class female, which is only forcing control over her yet again. If the character truly cared for Bella she would compromise with her more often instead of forcing her way. Honestly Bella is more of her dress up doll then her friend. Emmet, Esme,and Jasper I can't really add to this because they have so little interaction with Bella it's amazing that they are even characters in this story sometimes.
Kinasha15 9 months ago
Rosalie pushes Bella even further down constantly attacking her through out the story under the pretense "You have what I don't I hate you." because that is a healthy relationship. Now we have Carlise, he is the observer watching this play out and he has to know the type of damage being done and he does absolutely nothing. He is uncaring he will neither help nor hurt Bella because he doesn't care.
Kinasha15 9 months ago
On a smaller note Bella's friends see that her Boyfriend has taken over her life yet nothing is done to help her. Instead they only focus on their own selves and rarely make any significant impact on her life, showing that she has NO support system to fall back on and so to her mind to leave Edward or any of them would mean that she would be cast out and to our human psyche being cast out namely means death to us. So she stays because she doesn't know better and there is no where to go.
Kinasha15 9 months ago
Now onto our supposed Heroine. She has courage we see it in the last book for her child and in the pages where her thoughts can be heard, well when they aren't filled with Edward or Jacob. We know she's not completely destroyed by this destructive system around her & yet she never leaves. Infact she stays (I suspect) knowingly, to be the groups little own punching bag. I only hope that when she does snap she won't hate herself for staying.
Kinasha15 9 months ago
WOW that was long. Sorry about that. But anyway I've read all the books and I have each one (found them in a dumpster) I keep them not because of any love for them but because they show the psychological abuse in the best way possible,as I am studying psychology I can find this aspect very interesting. And yes I know I am 3 years too late to the party but oh well.
Kinasha15 9 months ago
id verbally kick the
shit out of these people
qwalznarg 10 months ago
you fucking people, look hear some your dating wants to hang with some friend right? ok no big deal. antill you see that oh shit one of the people said friend follows around disfigured his significant other. you want to talk about abuse? talk about that then. Jesus. would really want your significant other hanging around people that can do that to them at a moments notice.
roccoangeles 11 months ago
@roccoangeles I did talk about Sam and his girlfriend. In Edward's case though, it's hypocrisy to say that Jacob is dangerous when he himself was wanted to murder Bella a million times over, and considering his "brother" nearly did so once as well. Yeah, that's why he left her, bla bla bla but guess what? He came back, and he's still with her, and still totally a vampire that wants to eat her.
fromthisgirl 11 months ago
you go girl :)
bnicolec2001 11 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
EDWARD IS NOT CONTROLLING HE IS PROTECTING HER I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO READ THE BOOKS AGAIN IN ECLIPSE HE ASKS HER IF SHE IS COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT SHE IS DOING. HE DOES NOT FORCE HER TO DO ANYTHING IN NEW MOON HE THOUGHT HE LOST HER SO IN ECLIPSE HE FEELS VERY PROTECTIVE I THINK IT'S VERY CUTE. OF COURSE I KNOW NOT EVERYBODY WILL LIKE TWILIGHT EVERYBODY HAS THER OWN OPINIONS BU I LOVE TWILIGHT OF COURSE THERE IS NOT A REAL EDWARD BUT THERE ARE SOME REAL GENTLEMEN
ChristinaMariah 1 year ago
@ChristinaMariah I'm not going to bother taking you seriously if you type all in caps like that.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago 4
@ChristinaMariah Sorry, I'm not interested in having a boyfriend who stalks me, watches me sleep, and tells me what to do and who to see and talk to. A true gentleman genuinely cares for a girl/woman and gives the respect she deserves; not lock her away from the world and manipulate her mind into thinking that she can't live without him.
threetailedfox1 11 months ago
Funny thing, Robert Pattinson has openly admitted that he finds Edward to be one of the most detestable characters he's ever portrayed. He's also referred to Smeyer as being "completely mad."
ronin6401 1 year ago 7
@ronin6401 Pattinson's. So. RIGHT.
WingCommanderVinyaya 1 year ago
I am not trying to be mean I respect your opion( sorry about spelling). There are two places where bella has not been safe with jacob. 1- when bella was looking for Jacob at his house. He was asleep in his bed. So she went out side where the rest of thewolfpack was and asked them what did yall do to him. one of the guys got mad becasue bella pushed him. So he turned into a wolf. So jacob had to save her. 2- After school one day bella goes to the medow and Laurent come also. he tryed to kill her.
ginnyclassof08 1 year ago
@ginnyclassof08 She's never been any less safe around Jacob than she has been around Edward. When I talk about her safety in relation to Jacob it's because of Edward's hypocrisy.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago 13
@fromthisgirl how is he a hypocrite? he told her it was dangerous to be around him in twilight. it was proven in new moon and by eclipse, it wasnt a problem anymore.
livihasaname4u 11 months ago
@livihasaname4u He tells her he's dangerous but sticks around her anyway and then makes it more of a point to keep her around him at all times. I'd say that's hypocrisy.
fromthisgirl 11 months ago
@fromthisgirl have you read midnight sun? on one hand, he wants her to realize hes bad for her and stay away. and he wants to stay away too. but on the other hand, his attraction to her is so strong, it rivals his thirst. he just cant be away from her. he tried twice in the series. and both time were a fail. hes not a hypocrite. hes in love.
livihasaname4u 11 months ago
@livihasaname4u And Jacob isn't in love? It's hypocrisy if he's using that against Jacob and yet isn't applying the same rules to himself.
fromthisgirl 11 months ago
@fromthisgirl bella wasnt taken when edward fell in love with her. now im not saying he might not have still went after her. but thats speculation. not what happened. then he went after her when edward left. but she was damaged goods. really. and when edward came back, the two of them were going stronger than ever. i get that jacob was in love. but he should have backed off. not kiss her before taking her back to her boyfriend. was he justified? maybe. was he right? no. was edward right? yes.
livihasaname4u 10 months ago
@fromthisgirl bella choose edward. even if no one agrees with that its a fact. it doesnt matter if jacob was in love with her. she was taken. and that make jacob wrong. if iwas in his position, i may have done the same thing. and i dont hate him for it...i respect him for fighting for her and being true. but that doesnt change the fact that he was dead wrong.
livihasaname4u 10 months ago
there was 2 points where bella was with jacob when it was dangerous. 1- it was in new moon when she was at Jacobs house. and she couldnt find him so she went to the wolf pack. She ask what did u yall do to him. And one of them got mad. So Jacob had to save her.
The other example was after school one day bella went to her and edwards medow and Laurentcame in the field. Laurent was going to kill her so Jacob and the wolf pack had to come and save her.
ginnyclassof08 1 year ago
I agree on a lot of these, but I also think that Jacob was worse. Both kisses were about power, not love. It was a game to him. He said as much in Eclipse.
Charlie was an absentee father ignoring everything under his own nose.
Sam abused his girlfriend physically (accident or not one point Edward was right on was leaving/staying away from Bella which the wolves never did. Depression was her own fault and no one else's.
Look at all those types of examples and you'll understand the Mormons.
Buffy8Fan 1 year ago
There are people out there trying to turn this into a "but he's a vampire" argument. As an ex-Mormon and knowing all the workings and beliefs of the Mormon church, I can guarantee that the writer, Stephenie Meyer, based Edward off them and the church believes (even if they never say it) that the guy is always right and the women have to do what they say. Priesthood power, and all that shit.
Buffy8Fan 1 year ago 8
@Buffy8Fan And aside from that, the fact that he's a vampire really takes a backseat to everything. So much of their relationship is simply based off the strange way they handle each other, there isn't a big enough focus on his vampirism to give anyone any real reason to think that it's the source of all his stupid behavior.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl That part I disagree with a little. It's his age that makes him do the things he does. The fact that he grew up when women were nothing more than birthing tools and property and the fact that he is around now, in the present, is because he's a vampire.
Buffy8Fan 1 year ago
@Buffy8Fan But you don't think that at this point, having lived through the feminist movement and all that, that he would have changed his mind over how he sees and treats women?
Although, I suppose all of that's irrelevant, since it's not like Meyer wrote him to be intentionally sexist. She probably thinks he's the biggest activist for equal rights amongst the sexes or something.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago 2
@fromthisgirl I think he's less controlling than Jacob ever will be (the two forced kisses to me will always be equal to rape attempts because they were about power and games just like rape and Edward eventually gets over the controlling issues. That's what his arc of the book was about; learning to deal with it. Bella's dad is also no better than Jacob in that whole "do as I say even though I know nothing about your life" attitude. Edward is a prince next to Bella, Jacob, and Charlie.
Buffy8Fan 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl I agree with you. She has no clue about what women are like in the real world.
zeldaofarel 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl Not if you have read Midnight Sun. He is so bored by life before he meets Bella that the world in general he doesn't look at with emotion. So he wouldn't understand the feminist movement even if he read about it in a book or saw it personally. He had to experience it with the triangle of him, Bella and Jacob.
Buffy8Fan 1 year ago
@Buffy8Fan Wait, why does one have to not be bored and have to have met a girl in order to understand the feminist movement? Should I have relationships with Black people to understand the Civil Rights Movement? Shouldn't I just garner information about it and THINK? My husband didn't have to be married or in a relationship with me to understand that women need equal treatment. Are you really saying Edward is that stupid?
fromthisgirl 1 year ago 2
@fromthisgirl First, the reason I said he was bored was because it was one of the first lines in the transcript. Second, I am not saying that about feminist movement. What I'm saying is that reading about it is not understanding it, experiencing it is. That happens through all four books not just during one. It is a good side affect to Edward leaving. Otherwise Bella would have been a divorcee out in the world alone like my parents are now with their relationship.
Buffy8Fan 11 months ago
@Buffy8Fan I'm not understanding what your point is anymore. Do you mean that Edward wouldn't understand women's rights until he met Bella? That's what you're saying, right?
fromthisgirl 11 months ago
@fromthisgirl My point is that Edward has to live through the experiences of what he does in all four books in order to truely understand them. Otherwise he is just an observer who has read about emotions like love and feminism but doesn't understand them, that is all. Despite the fact that all three main characters act like idiots for the majority of the books it helps them learn from it as well.
Buffy8Fan 11 months ago
@Buffy8Fan You can't plop feminism and love as being the same thing. Can Edward not understand love until he experiences it firsthand? Sure, most people in life will not understand love until they know it themselves. Can one understand feminism without experiencing sexism against them firsthand? Yes, yes they can. Absolutely. He is NOT just an observer when it comes to feminism, and thus there is no excuse for him to be so sexist.
fromthisgirl 11 months ago
@fromthisgirl Growing up in his period of the early 1900's he sees it as protectiveness and slowly realizes it is overprotectiveness over the course of the series therefore loosens it down to true protectiveness. Personally I have recently started thinking that all; three main characters (Edward, Bella and Jacob) made bad decisions that slowly needed fixing over the course of the series, not just Edward.
Buffy8Fan 10 months ago
@Buffy8Fan How is it that you think they actually learned anything though? The way I see it they just changed their stupidity in different ways as the books went on.
fromthisgirl 9 months ago
@Buffy8Fan I'm glad you say so. I researched Mormons and I always thought so, but it's nice to be confirmed by someone who was an insider.
zeldaofarel 1 year ago
Both Edward and Jacob are controlling and Obsessive(Jacob more so than Edward IMO) but Bella is the one that takes their crap.I mean seriously after the first book it just got too much 2 take
sharon2009sharma 1 year ago
You have to keep in mind that edward is a VAMPIRE, he follows her around because he is supposed to stalk women and kill them. He is not human so he feel like she is more fragile than she really is
setustraight 1 year ago
@setustraight Vampires don't stalk women by trade, they stalk people in general, but Edward isn't even in the habit of doing that considering he stopped killing people ages ago. It's not an excuse. He stalked her because he simply wanted to know what she was doing at all hours. He did it because he wanted to, that was all.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago 2
@fromthisgirl You obviously dont know much about vampire myths...
setustraight 1 year ago
@setustraight Except that I do. They have been known to stalk women, but it isn't like we're talking about an incubus, that is known primarily to go for women.
And then, like I said, this doesn't even apply to the situation because Edward wasn't going around stalking girls. He was stalking the one girl that he felt obsessed with because he couldn't read her mind so he was using other people to eavesdrop on her. It wasn't a vampire thing.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
↓ I wish girls would stop making excuses. Do they actually want to be thrown around like that?! I decided to read Twilight because it's 18 AR points, but REALLY? Why do girls think Edward isnt controlling or abusive. I just end up seeing stupid stuff like "He's just being protective!" The way I see it is that he's obsessed with her. I haven't got to that part yet, but I heard he watched her while she was sleeping! WTF? One person said that was romantic!!!!
KousAB10 1 year ago
Ch.5 of Twilight quote:
"Let go!" I insisted. He ignored me. I staggered along sideways across the wet sidewalk until we reached the Volvo.*skip*"You are so pushy!" I grumbled. "It's open," was all he responded. He got in the drivers side. "I am perfectly capable of driving myself home!" *skip* "Get in Bella." I didnt answer. I was mentally calculating my chances of reaching the truck beforehe could catch me. I had to admit, they werent good. "I'll just drag you back," he threatened.
KousAB10 1 year ago 4
All the Twilight characters suck, but Edward is the worst of them, BY FAR!
Seeriously, someone should phone Van Helsing, and ask him to slay that sparkly, pretentious, depressive, vampire-wannabe git!
thegreattotemaster 1 year ago 2
i agreee! i like the series but Bella is by far the most annoying character. she does take all of edwards shit. i know the series has A LOT of faults, but i think it has potential, if stephanie meyer would of put more time and effort it couldve been really awesome.
missyessi 1 year ago
@missyessi Yeah, I mean I do like the general idea of paranormal being falls in love with regular human, that's pretty typical in paranormal YA, I just don't like how Meyer executed her ideas. There are so many scenes that she wrote in which I enjoy the idea, but I absolutely hate how she ends up handling it.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago 3
you are so right
i was almost getting sick in that scene where he takes the enigies from her car! and she didn´t even say something about it? omg, i I would freak out if it was me!
oh ... one of the most disgusting scene is where he sits staring at her while she sleeps, yark
annelulluxx 1 year ago 4
why 93 dislikes? this is soooo true what ur saying!
stephiiijayyy 1 year ago 2
To be honest, Edward irritates me already.But in the first place I didn`t liked him.I prefer Carlisle.Edward is immature brat.And as we add the abuse, it is a guarantee to hate him forever.Too bad, that stupid Bella agree to be abused.I also pity the stupid fangirls, who are passing out for him.It is suprising how many women are in the world, that allow to be abused by boyfriends.I can`t explain otherwise this huge obsession of so many teen girls for this immature boy.Women like being abused.
Aslara 1 year ago
Edward sucks! Bella sucks too but Edward is really really abusive. I've seen such signs in men...okay even if a guy is hostile because another man comes close to his woman and he becomes jealous..he should really deal with his insecurities in a different way...don't deal with it by controlling the girl's actions love her and be there for her, listen to her, be affectionate, be caring/understanding, take time to know her she'll stay with you when you see her as your equal don't call her a slut.
arielc1ful 1 year ago
@arielc1ful Exactly, most couples have to deal with jealousy at some point or another (I've already dealt with it once in my marriage) but only the healthy ones learn to control and talk about their insecurities. They unhealthy ones end up ruining things for each other.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago 3
Yeah!man don't make decision for us woman
btw edward is fuckin creepy,I hate him
devilheart119 1 year ago 2
@devilheart119 Lemme put it this way...if someone watches you sleep, controls where you do and don't go..I'd call the police.
Also..."you're my personal brand of heroin" seriously? How can teens fall for that crap?..I'm ashamed of my generation.
SuperGrinningIdiot 1 year ago 60
@SuperGrinningIdiot You aren't the only one ashamed of this generation!
1egilsdottir 4 months ago
@SuperGrinningIdiot Your ashamed? I was ic class with kids that never seen Jurasic Park.
HOW THE FUCK DO U NOT KNOW JURASIC PARK!?!?!?!?! And to think these are the people that will one day lead our country.
dragonheart967 1 month ago
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devilheart119 1 year ago
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shut up bitch. suck on this dick
MrNinjamonkey13 1 year ago
He's VERY controlling. Not like physical abusive . Some people think the things he does is him loving her. He's just this HUGE asshole
aaaaddddaaa 1 year ago 59
hmmm....i guess :Q
ameygirl323 1 year ago
CONTINUED coz when i saw the first vid [part 1] i waz like wow this girl would be perfect for the part of leah clearwater....seriously-weird huh??
ameygirl323 1 year ago
i waz agreeing right until you started critcizing the whole cullen family. Rosalie is supposed to be shallow-thats her character and who she is. Alice is supposed to be that fun live spirit who always does positive things. and Esme had always been that motherly type person-even before her vampire life. and you didn't mention that later in the book edward DID let bella see jacob....anywho other than i wanted to say funny you should mention leah clearwater CONTINUED
ameygirl323 1 year ago
@ameygirl323 Rosalie is shallow, and this would be fine if the other characters weren't also one-dimensional stereotypes. Alice is intensely materialistic, she'll go as far as keeping someone hostage for a shiny new car. And Esme is ONLY ever shown to be all about being a mother. We're told Rosalie is good with cars and we're told Esme does something with architecture, but all we ever see is two baby-obsessed women and one shopaholic. Look at the men in turn, who are far more interesting.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
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I just have to say: This is ridiculous. You have no argument! You're going on like you think you're so intelligent, but it's really just nonsense! The engine!? Really!? He's fucking jealous! It's a story!! Edward is more like ridiculously accepting! When Bella realizes she also loves Jacob he tells her that he would be okay if she wanted to be with both of them! Now, that's very unrealistic, but abusive? It's a story--that's all. So get a grip.
nicparmesan 1 year ago
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I just have to say: This is ridiculous. You have no argument! You're going on like you think you're so intelligent, but it's really just nonsense! The engine!? Really!? He's fucking jealous! It's a story!! Edward is more like ridiculously accepting! When Bella realizes she also loves Jacob he tells her that he would be okay if she wanted to be with both of them! Now, that's very unrealistic, but abusive? It's a story--that's all. So get a grip.
nicparmesan 1 year ago
I just have to say: This is ridiculous. You have no argument! You're going on like you think you're so intelligent, but it's really just nonsense! The engine!? Really!? He's fucking jealous! It's a story!! Edward is more like ridiculously accepting! When Bella realizes she also loves Jacob he tells her that he would be okay if she wanted to be with both of them! Now, that's very unrealistic, but abusive? It's a story--that's all. So get a grip.
nicparmesan 1 year ago
@nicparmesan is this anti twilight or pro twilight?
DaniNicoleJRE 1 year ago
@nicparmesan I won't lie, it's kind of funny to see you flip out like this over a differing opinion...
fromthisgirl 1 year ago 2
its fictional...!
mzyAngel01 1 year ago
@mzyAngel01 So?
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
It was never "emotional abuse". Edward was ALWAYS thinking about Bella's emotions, always about Bella's welfare. It obviously didn't bother Bella very much because they got MARRIED and had a BABY. And yes, his family memebers were a danger, hence Edward making his family and himself leave in New Moon because he saw that danger. And oh for the love of Pete! IT'S A BOOK. This is pretty funny, how people make "relashionship abuse" videos on Youtube about a BOOK.
smilesgirl808 1 year ago
@smilesgirl808 Wait, so marriage guarantees that the relationship is healthy? Ohhh, I never got that! Hmm.. I wonder what the explanations are behind the high divorce rates in our country then? It bothered Bella a lot actually, you can find many situations in which she gets upset, to the point of crying, because Edward is being unfair, she just never actually does anything about it.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@smilesgirl808 You obviously don't seem to think books can have any kind of influence on people, you need to learn that before you can start an argument over me making a video on it.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
Yes Bella is the Heroine...in that she's the literary equivalent of shooting smack.
TomMSTie 1 year ago
Hmm...Edward takes the engine out of a car to keep Bella from leaving....That doesn't at all sound like, oh, say, THE SHINING!!!!!!!
TheTeamcrue 1 year ago
Thank you. Maybe this will get through to at least some of the Twilight fans. :)
Yes my last name really is Cullen :|
HannahJCullen 1 year ago
i agree
newmoon1504 1 year ago
Everything Edward does is to prtect Bella. Or atleast he thinks its protecting her. Bella does get her own way sometimes but hes very protective of her. Anyway.. People need to stop gettin so into it. Its a BOOK! They're relationship is pure fiction. Its not real! Don't like the way Edward is with Bella? Theres this little thing called putting the book down and not reading the rest of the series!
MissNicolaLouise 1 year ago
Were not going to agree on this, and thats fine. You think he has possessive/abusive traits. I agree. I think the fact that hes a vampire, hes allowed some benefit of the doubt, you dont. Lets assume your right for the sake of our argument. Whats the solution? We are only allowed to have heroes that have no character flaws? If your thought is that this is destroying women than once again we disagree. and this is certainly not the biggest threat to women from the entertainment industry.
Culture261 1 year ago
While saying not to make assumptions, you assume what Myers is writing about. In no interview or statement has she said there is any message to this story other than a love story between a human girl and a vampiric male. You then assume you know how and what a Vampire should feel, despite the fact that they are fictitious. Bottm line, you cant judge Vampires by human standards, which you do.
Culture261 1 year ago
The author never said that, nor has she ever spoke of any outside agenda other than writing a fictitious book. The Forks world she created is certainly fictitious,. Forks in general isnt. Seeing as you found a metaphor involving an ant "unsettling" explains alot. Im not easily unsettled so if that is that disturbing I imagine Twilight did rock you hard. I still think the majority can handle it, I think you underestimate women quite a bit.
Culture261 1 year ago
Its interesting, its never fascinated me, it and sociology both take what we already know and try to make it sound ground breaking. You kind of rinsed and repeated what I said but gave it a new twist. Noone is debating abused women dont always make good choices. They always show signs of abuse, no abused woman stays cheerful. Feeling cautious around the abuser, depression, lonliness, there is always signs. Bella has none of these when she is with Edward.
DutNC 1 year ago
I was unaware that your selling point was that Vampires shouldnt date humans. We are on the same side of this, luckily I dont think its a very common problem.
Now back to the fictitious world of Forks. He seems to have remorse for his actions, and fixed them entirely in the instance of Jacob. His control issues remain throughout and theres no reason to think he doesnt still have them even when Bella is a vampire. Does his being a monster excuse it, debatable, I feel its to be expected
Culture261 1 year ago
Edwards dating Bella is the equivalent of a human dating a piss ant. If you loved a piss ant can you imagine how protective youd be? I mean even a light rain would scare the hell out if you if you didnt know where they were.
Vampires rape and murder women... Edward overprotects them. If he was a human Id think hes a little creepy, but for a vampire, hes a fricking gentleman.
Culture261 1 year ago
Bella did feel hurt when Edward would not allow her to see Jacob, and the break up obviously. Although both in theory was for her protection, we can agree I am sure that jealousy could have easily played a role with the Jacob situation. Edwards behavior in this instance was a negative as it is hurting his partner emotionally. When she expressed that, Edward apologizes and supports her relationship with Jacob.
DutNC 1 year ago
Your saying that women who are abused dont always seek help. I agree. Women who are abused however, regardless to if they seek help, feel abused. When someone emotionally abuses you, you feel hurt, now due to low self esteem and other reasons you may internalize it and not complain, or try to get help/escape it. Bella never shows signs of feeling abused.
DutNC 1 year ago
i dont understand where you guys think hes abusive. sure he can be a little bit contolling but that doesn't mean hes abusive. My best friend was in an abusive relationship and edward looks like a saint compared to my bestfriends ex. And it's not like he likes hurting her. if he ever hurts her at all he feels so bad.
DaniNicoleJRE 1 year ago
@Dani
I watch you in your sleep...
y100269 1 year ago
@y100269 annddd/..... thats not abusive
DaniNicoleJRE 1 year ago
I agree with you completly. Bella is a weak character in general, but that doesn't excuse his abusive tendencies. He left her in the middle of the forest with no way home in New Moon. And to top it off, she become suicidal over it. My aunt is in a similar situation right now (she's not sucidal, but it's obvious that she's scared of her soon-to-be ex-husband.) let me tell you, it's agrivating for the woman's family when that happens and they know about it.
angelgirl1992 2 years ago
Ive seen through some of the comments people talking about Twilight being antif-feminist. Feminism is about womens right. Womens right to become whatever they desire to be. Not a womans right to become whatever feminists think she should be.
DutNC 2 years ago
@ DutNC
feminism is about being independent and not depending on "your man".
y100269 1 year ago
No, it isnt. That is what feminists want it to be about, which limits females. Limiting females in anyway is an erosion of womens rights.
DutNC 1 year ago
@DutNC
Ok, alright, drop everything for "your man", don't to college because... your pregnant at 18, like a tutor or online course isn't an option, and act like your life is over every time "your man" leaves because he has a life. And just go for the guy that glitters, character is of no importance.
y100269 1 year ago
See your doing it right here. You just condemed every woman that accidentally gets pregnant and puts off college to have her child. By the "Drop everything for your man" comment I am guessing that any woman who aspires to be a stay at home mom and raise her kids is out. So a woman, can only be a proud woman, if she lives her life by the standards that you set, instead of the standards her husband and her set. Interesting.
DutNC 1 year ago
You say that Edward treats Bella like shes weak..
She is weak in comparison to him. Once she becomes a Vampire those issues go away. He is no longer overly protective once Bella can fend for herself. Your judging their relationship in comparison to a human/human relationship. They dont have that, however once they are equals with Vampire/Vampire they have a equal relationship. If your point is that girls shouldnt date vampires, then I agree, but I think there isnt much risk of that.
Culture261 2 years ago
@Culture261 I've already mentioned before that it's not a matter of physical strength. It comes down to the fact that Edward doesn't respect Bella, nor does he understand her and hardly makes an attempt to understand her. She likewise uses manipulation on him in order to get her way, but that's usually after he's gone and done something wrong. I mean he treats her like she's weak as in that she can't think or decide anything for herself, and so he must do it for her.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
@fromthisgirl but notice that in breaking dawn he is less controlling.
DaniNicoleJRE 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE That's only because he can't physically force her to do anything anymore. He can't lock her anywhere against her will because she'd break out. He was going to force her to abort Nessie except that she got Rosalie to defend her. It's not a matter of respect, it's a matter of losing his power. And the last book having him be less controlling doesn't make what he did in the first three books suddenly okay.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl He never "physically forced her to really do anything except kind of holding her histage if that counts as physical. He was going to force her to abort nessie cause it was killing her.
DaniNicoleJRE 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE That is forcing someone to do something by physical force, she can't fight any of them. If they were human, she might be able to, what's keeping her is their physical abilities over her. Keeping her hostage, not letting her even touch Jacob (specifically in that scene where he shows up at her school, look up the words that go something like "Edwards arms had become restraints.") and dismantling her engine.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl its not like hes intent is to hurt bella and be like "hmm bella really likes jacob, well im going to not let her see him cause im bored and i feel like it" no his intent is "Bella is my whole life, i know what werewolves can do, what sam di to emily or owrse, and bella is a danger magnet so i have to protect her"
DaniNicoleJRE 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl Edward only does these thinks because he thinks werewolves are dangerous. he doesn't want what happened to Emily to happen to bella. Especially cause jacob is a young werewolve.
DaniNicoleJRE 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE Also, yes Nessie was killing her, but she wanted to have her, and Edward didn't care to listen to a thing she said until someone else interfered.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
"Edward makes all of Bellas decisions.."
Bella wanted the baby Edward wanted abortion: Bella got the baby.
Bella wanted to have sex before she is transformed, Edward didnt: They did Bella wanted to become a Vampire, Edward didnt want her to. She became a Vampire Bella wanted to stay with Jacob at reservation, Edward apologized for stopping her and conceded.
Bella was confused with her feelings witih Jacob, Edward gave her all the time she wanted.
Culture261 2 years ago
@Culture261 Bella got the baby by having another vampire stand in the way, not because they talked it out and Edward chose to respect her wishes. Them having sex was probably the most mutual decision placed by them, yet even before that it was months of manipulating each other for it. Bella became a vampire also by manipulation, Edward turned her because she was dying, again, not because they talked it out. Edward apologized only after having removed a piece of the engine from her car.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
You are correct with the baby, I had forgotten about Rosalie defending her and what not. Edward turned her because she was dying but it was predetermined. He offered to change her and she said no because she wanted to go to college and stay human for awhile longer. So his hand was forced, but it was no hint that he wouldnt do it whenever she wanted. Vampires seduce and kill women, how bad can Edward be?
Culture261 2 years ago
@Culture261 Recall in the first book when Bella doesn't want to go to prom, who makes her go? When she wants to turn into a vampire, who says no? When she insists beyond anything that Jacob is her best friend, who tells her they can't be friends? Edward. Who decides to break the relationship off because he thinks his ideas are best? Who decides to steal Bella's stuff because he figures that'll be better for her healing process?
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
@fromthisgirl but prom is different. and she says herself she likes it cause she was there with him. he didn't do it in a mean way he knows she wants to be a vampire so he wants her to do human thing that seniors would do.
DaniNicoleJRE 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE So it's okay if people force you into things because they feel you'll enjoy it later? What if Bella hadn't enjoyed it after all, wouldn't him forcing her still be wrong? Do you like being forced into things because people insist you should do these things when you repeatedly say no? It doesn't matter that she had fun, what matters is that Edward is under the impression he knows what's best for Bella better than Bella does.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl he wants her to live like every other human,. im not saying it's right of him to assume she wants to go or "force" if you will but if i didn't want to go to prom and than my boyfriend suprised me and took me I wouldn't be like "oh my god, abusive" i would be like uhhh i really don't want to go but oh well.
DaniNicoleJRE 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl no but the point iss that since bella wants to become a vampire so bad edward doesn't want his presence to effect bella being human. obviously they are very attached to each other and bella would drop her firneds in a heart beat to be with him and he doesn't want that.
DaniNicoleJRE 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE He never says he doesn't want her to drop her friends (by the way, the fact that you point out how easily she'd leave all her friends is only further proof of how unhealthy the relationship is) he only worries about the damnation of their souls. He doesn't care about Bella hanging out with friends, that's why he monopolizes her time.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl he says all the time thta he wants her to live a normal life, like should would if he had died.
DaniNicoleJRE 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE Yet his behavior is the opposite of that, you said he doesn't want her to drop her friends, yet he even goes to the point of telling Tyler Bella won't be available as far as he's concerned, all because Tyler liked Bella. Did Bella say she disliked Tyler? No, she was annoyed he thought they were going to prom together, but she didn't dislike him, and Edward didn't bother to ask her opinion on the matter. He was doing the same thing in his head over Mike and Jessica.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE And Mike wasn't a bad guy either, he liked her, and thus wanted to go out with her. Edward acts as if he's the first guy who ever had to deal with someone else liking the girl he likes too. He fantasizes about hurting Mike, and keeping him away from Bella. He also wants to keep Jessica away, even though if he could read Bella's mind he'd find Bella's thoughts to be equally as mean to Jessica as Jessica's were to Bella, which, to begin with, weren't that bad.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl he never said that he didn't want jessica to be bella's friend. he said that what she is thinking towards bella is rude and he wants to protect her. secondly mike is always all over bella so of coures edward would be jealous.
DaniNicoleJRE 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE HIm wanting to "protect" her from Jessica implies he doesn't want Jessica around her. He doesn't have to say it for it not to be true. He also shouldn't let his jealousy get to him when it comes to Mike, men who do are the type that become controlling and abusive.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl everyone gets jealous that doesn't mean your abusive. and him wantingto protect her doensn't imply that. it implies thta he doens't want jessica saying or thinking that. he never once says anything upfront to bella about not hanging with jessica. he never forces her to not hang out with her. and he would have to say it or do something that clearly shows he's keeping her away from bella or else thats just speculation/ opinion not evidence
DaniNicoleJRE 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE I already explained that Edward's LEVEL of jealousy is what makes him abusive, not the mere fact that he's experienced it. It does imply that, he wanted to protect Bella from Jessica, not from general bad thoughts of people, and it's obvious that he doesn't like Jessica as it is. He never says anything upfront because Meyer won't write something so obvious, she writes him as wanting to be with her SO MUCH that he takes up ALL of her time.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl he may be a little contolling but not abusive. I've been in an a abusive relationship and edward looks like a saint compared to my ex. Also Bella really doesn't like jessica that much either. than again who would shes very mean spirited. And because meyer didn't write edward that way means he's not that way. thats how she wrote him...therefore thats how he is.
DaniNicoleJRE 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE Look, you were in an abusive relationship, this does not make you an expert on what constitutes as abuse. Abuse isn't always the same exact way in every situation, so while your ex might have abused you one way, another guy doesn't have to do the same exact thing for it to count as abuse.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE Wait, back up a second. Have you ever taken a comprehensive reading class? Because without that knowledge, you'd never be able to understand this. Let's backtrack a second from this and go to Meyer's writing. Meyer writes Edward to be a perfect man, yes? He's sweet, he's kind, he protects Bella from any possible danger.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE He's SO in love with her, in fact that any sign of danger AT ALL on her life freaks him out. He doesn't want her to hurt herself in the slightest. Now Meyer wants to show us why he should have reason to worry- Bella is reckless with who she chooses to be friends with. First vampires, then werewolves, and naturally this gives Edward reason to panic.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE Except that Edward's "worries" take him so far, he becomes abusive. Now Meyer isn't thinking this, she's not doing this on purpose, I never once believed she wrote Edward to be intentionally abusive. She thinks his behavior is romantic. So him being SO extreme with worrying leads him to do crazy things out of love, right?
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE Except that these crazy things are abusive things, but Meyer drills it into your head that he's only doing it because he's just SO worried about her. She constantly makes it about love, love, love.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE Now, take a guy like Edward and put him in reality. There's this normal guy Edward who has a normal girlfriend named Bella, and she's really clumsy and she hangs out with people who Edward doesn't like. Maybe they're druggies, maybe they're gangsters, whatever, doesn't matter. Basically Edward thinks they're dangerous and doesn't want her near them.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE So he tells Bella she can't hang out with them anymore. Bella says they're her extremely close friends, that when Edward was gone, they were the ones to help her get through the hard times, and thus she's formed a close bond with them. But Edward says no, she can't be around them. So then one night she sneaks out and tries to go see one of them.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE And he realizes this and gets in her way, forcing her to go back to her room. This is basically Eclipse, without the supernatural parts. But it's the same thing, because even if you're basing it on Edward being worried about her safety, it's still wrong to tell someone they're not allowed to see certain people.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE But Meyer really thinks that this behavior is okay, because Edward is doing it out of love. Do you know how many men who abuse their wives are genuinely in love with them? Abuse doesn't come from hate, abuse develops from a lack of control. Edward can't control Bella, he tries and she keeps trying to sneak by, so he physically forces control on her.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE So Edward can be in love all he wants, it doesn't make the actions okay. And because Meyer writes that Edward does "extreme" (her words) things out of love, she would never write him saying anything abusive, because she doesn't think he's abusive, she thinks his behavior is romantic. So she wrote him to BE romantic, but he TURNED OUT abusive.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl sooo meyer wrote it thtas how he is. she doensn't think hes abusive(cause thats not the character) therefore hes not.
DaniNicoleJRE 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE Nope. Because I can write a character and tell you she was intended as a good person, but that character walks around being mean to people, hurting people, or whatever, and that would then lead the character to obviously be bad. Meyer wrote him to be good, because she thinks abusive characteristics are romantic. So she wrote him as abusive without realizing that's what she was doing, but she still wrote him as abusive. His actions are still that of an abuser.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl Not really. Maybe you've never been in an abusive relationship but i have and edward cullen is not abusive. he may be over protective but def. not abusive.
DaniNicoleJRE 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE I told you this before, and I'm not trying to offend you, but just because you've been in an abusive relationship doesn't mean Edward isn't abusive. Not all abuse is the same. And I won't tell you if I've been in an abusive relationship before, because quite frankly that's personal and I don't see what it has to do with this discussion.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE Also, you keep telling me he's not abusive but you're not backing that up with any support from the books, and I am.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl ok first of all if edward was an abuser than he wouldn't have left bella for 9 months, abusers need people to abuse, he would have come back or found someone knew. Second abusers are slefish they don't give a shit whats good for the person there abusing, so why would he leave . Third, Edward at the begging didnt want to be around bella because he didn't want ot hurt her.
DaniNicoleJRE 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE He did come back.. remember? And he got worse we he got back. Also, you're again mistaking the idea that Edward is written to intentionally abuse Bella- he's not, there isn't a plan laid out for him to abuse her, so your 9 months point doesn't work here. "Abusers are selfish and don't give a shit" it's like you haven't been listening to anything I've been saying....
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE And abuser, you have to understand this, is NOT always someone who hates the person being abused, often enough they deeply love the person they're abusing, but have emotional issues that lead them to abuse this person. It doesn't have to be intentional for it to be abuse, do you understand?
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl Fourth, Edward was reading the page from wuthering heights that was talking baout someone hating domeone but not killing them because there partner loved them. Thats how Edward feels toward jacob. i'm pretty sure that an abuser would be pissed of at the girl as well if someone tried to kiss her, hang around her etc. but Edward getrs over it.
DaniNicoleJRE 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE Edward doesn't get over it, and his abuse doesn't ALWAYS center around Jacob. The abuse and jealousy issues that come from Bella's friendship with Jacob are only a small part of it, Edward still does a lot of things against Bella's decisions, like the time he chose to invite Jacob to the wedding when she said not to. Any man that respects his girl wouldn't just ignore her wishes like that.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE And it isn't the only time he's done that, i've already given you examples of the times Edward jus ignores Bella's decisions (major and minor ones) because HE always thinks HIS decisions are the right ones, which shows a major lack of respect for her.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl Fifth, Abusers do things like telling there other how to act/dress, edward never does that. Unless hes telling bella not to be recless(which makes sense) sixth, Edward say this "You only have to risk your life every second you spend with me, thats surely not much. You only have to turn your back on nature, on humanity whats that worth" this hsows he doesn't want her away from her friends,
DaniNicoleJRE 1 year ago
@DaniNicoleJRE You really don't know the full range of abuse, do you? I think that this is why you can't understand Edward being abusive, you don't get that all abusers don't act the exact same way. You seem to think there's only one way an abuser behaves, and that's far from the truth.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl no i know thta. nut im giving you evidence(like you asked) that show that hes not abusive in that way.
DaniNicoleJRE 1 year ago