Not all atheists are dogmatic but most if not all, "militant" atheists love using big words and long sentences to get their points across and make themselves look cleverer than they actually are.
@TheSchemer1 I'm baffled by your comment; it's as if you think the use of 'big words and long sentences' is a bad thing. Why are you so anti-intellectual? Is the ability to use those 'big words and long sentences' not clever? These people are merely using them to appear to be clever? Is it even possible to explain complex scientific phenomena in layman's terms?
I'm not even going to bother... Your comment is so fucking stupid it's exasperating.
@TenWhoWereTaken My point is that it not take a genius to spew out scientific gobbledy gook and/or use more words than necessary in everyday conversation. It does not take a genius to abuse the names of various legendary scientists to make a point. It does not take a genius to be an "outspoken atheist" who lectures non-atheist on using logic and reason (whilst not using any logic or reason).
I shouldnt even bother... Your reply is so fucking stupid it's exasperating.
"2. Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists.
3. It is He Who has sent down the Book (the Qur'an) to you (Muhammad ) with truth, confirming what came before it. And he sent down the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)."
An invisible atom possesses an internal structure similar to our solar system, with electrons revolving around a nucleus in the same way that planets revolve around the sun, how vastly different the scales, for in the solar system, distances are measured in millions of miles. Yet ,in spite of the scales, THE SYSTEM ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.
Would it be any wonder then if the consciousness, which we as human beings experience existed on a COSMIC SCALE but IN A TOTALLY PERFECT FORM?
@emaan456 Consciousness, or the mind, seems to be an emergent property of our brains. Are you saying that you see god, or some greater consciousness/mind, as the emergent property of the universe as a whole?
@PrettyMurky By using the scientific method "Inference or reasoning" we can deduce the result of having Only One creator of this universe.
The greatest evidence of GOD before us is his creation. Nature itself and our study of Nature proclaim the fact there is one God who in the infinity of his wisdom, has created and continues to sustain this universe.
The very existence of the universe with its superb organization and immeasurable meaningfulness, is inexplicable except as having been brought into existence by a Creator- A Being with an infinite intelligence -rather than by blind force.
Outside the nihilistic group, the existence of the universe is accepted as a reality. The moment we admit its existence, we find belief in GOD is inescapable, because the notion of creation having arisen spontaneously out of nothing is quite inconceivable.
@emaan456 I wouldn't describe the universe as 'organised'; I'd descibe it as 'adhering to mathematics'; and before you start equating descriptive and prosciptive laws, I think these laws are the way they are because they are the only way that is mathematically possible.
Also; "the notion of creation having arisen spontaneously out of nothing is quite inconceivable." - you're assuming time to be eternal and unilateral; the Big Bang could simply be one 'end' of the universe's 'shape'.
@emaan456 Our ability to describe maths may evolve, however the mathematical concepts themselves are unchanging, & true regardless of how much we understand it. You ask why mathematical description should be accurate; because over time, humans have realised how important it is; so we've got quite good at it.
But asking why it should fit external nature?
That's like asking why a puddle should fit so well, the hole it is in.
@PrettyMurky These questions were asked by many famous scientists like Einstein, Schrodinger to Kepler on...How is it that the human mind, extremely small compared to the universe and living over a time span microscopic in terms of astronomical time, comprehend reality in ideas which spring from the human mind?
I don't think these scientists would ask something awkward.Do they?
@emaan456 Ideas don't just 'spring from the mind'; they are developed in it it, by the processing of information gathered from the world around us.
Even though stars and planets are much bigger than people, we are able to understand their motions through astronomy; we may not perfect knowledge of their every atom, but we realise enough about them to comprehend their motion.
Now the REAL question is whether maths is an analogy of the universe, or if it's the other way around!
@PrettyMurky Newton came to the conclusion that all bodies exert a mutual attraction.
But he had no answer to the question “why do bodies attract one another?
He himself confessed to having failed to offer any explanation for this.
On this point A.N. Whithead, the noted American mathematician and philosopher says: “By admitting this fact ,Newton has expressed a great philosophical truth, that is ,..(cont)
@PrettyMurky ,(cont)... if nature is inanimate, it can give no explanation to us, just as a dead man cannot narrate any incident. All rational and logical explanation of a purpose, where no ontology can be ascribed to a dead universe.(The age of analysis.85)
@emaan456 And do your god claims answer the questions of 'why' any better?
You seem to claim that god has always existed; why has god always existed?
Besides, I believe that advanced enough string thory and pure maths possibly could answer more philosophical questions of the universe; although probably not in a way that most people would find satisfying. Even so, they can make a much better go at it than the religious answer of 'God did it'.
@PrettyMurky Where the mysteries of digestion and assimilation were seen as evidence of Divine intervention, They now are explained in terms of chemical reaction, each reaction under the control of an enzyme.
BUT DOES IT RULE GOD OUT OF HIS UNIVERSE?
Who determined that these reactions should take place, and that they should be so exactly controlled by the enzymes?
One glance at a present day chart of the various cyclic reactions and their interaction with each other rules out the possibility that this was JUST A CHANCE RELATIONSHIP that happened to work.
Perhaps here, more than any place else,
Man is learning that GOD works by principles that HE established with the creation of life.”
The evidence of God in an expanding universe,P.221
@PrettyMurky By Frank Allen a prominent biophysics.
“It has often been made to appear that material universe has not needed a Creator. It is undeniable, however, that the universe exists. Four solution of its origin may be proposed: first , that it is an illusion contrary to the preceding statement; second, that it spontaneously aroused from nothing; third, that it had no origin but has existed eternally; and fourth is , that it was created.”
@emaan456 Firstly, it is not chemisty that will provide the ultimate answers, it is string theory, and the purest of maths. I believe that the universe exists the only way it can do; defined by essential mathematical principles. You don't need a god to design prime numbers; they simply are.
Secondly, Frank Allen's four solutions fail to consider time as a property OF the universe, so neither 'spontaneously' or 'eternally' would make proper sense when discussing it.
@emaan456 If, in absence of your own thoughts, you are going to simply quote others'; atleast get the source right. The Sir Jeans quote was from his 'The Mysterious Universe', first published in 1929. To its content: Yes; even if you accept the supposition that the universe is designed, then the evidence for mathematical governance is still overwhelming. The question is why should we accept that supposition?
@PrettyMurky Yes, the mathematical governance is overwhelming because it gives us signs and indications towards such a Supreme Power which is beyond to comprehend by our little human mind.Again the Design requires a designer...mathematical order and harmony gives us clear idea about the majesty and power of one Being...In depth study of science leaves no room for any other supposition...does it?
You ask "Why there is such correlation between Mathematics and system of Universe?". They don't simply correlate; they are equivilent. Everything works mathematically, everything IS maths. I believe that the universe is the mathematical expression of non-existence.
@PrettyMurky The right question is why does human exist?We cannot even understand His universe/Creation...
A Nobel Prize winner James Watson Cronin said: 96% of our universe consists on Dark matter. Dark matter cannot be detected directly, because it does not emit or reflect light or radiation-or not enough to be picked up by available tools.(The Times of India, New Delhi, Sep23,2007, P.20)
He further says “ We think we understand the universe but we only understand 4% of everything.
@emaan456 "mathematical governance.. indications.. a Supreme Power" - How? How does ubiquitous mathematics indicate design, when 'designing' requires a mind, which all evidence points to being an emergent property of some kind of brain.
You are correct however, when you say that the word 'exist' has no place when discussing 'god'; I'll rephrase my question: Why is god? Please focus on the 'why', and please tell me your own thoughts, rather than some quote you've googled.
@emaan456 I didn't think you'd be able to answer the 'Why is god?' question. So much for the amazing explanitory power of religion!
'Why isn't god?' is much easier; I alluded to it a couple of comments ago.
If god is essentially 'a mind which created everything', we can examine what a mind is, and find all evidence shows that 'mind' is an emergent property of 'brain'; not neccessarily biological, but resulting from something. ...
... So god is 'a thing which came from something, which created everything'. How can god create everything, when god (being a mind) requires a 'thing' to originate from. The idea is therefore inconsistant; and that, is why god isn't.
@PrettyMurky Or If something created God's brain and then God's mind that cause to create every thing....then what thing created something that created God who created every thing? and what was before that created the thing which created something and so on.....If it is so then will this universe ever be able to stand like this?
@PrettyMurky Do you want to say this If we do accept that there is a creator of the universe, we shall be compelled to accept this creator as being eternal .And when God has to regarded as eternal , why should not the universe itself be regarded as eternal instead?
@emaan456 Even if a creator was assumed to exist; trying to describe it, or the universe, as eternal still conflicts with time being a property of the universe. I suppose that could be incorperated into the initial assumption, but then you're just getting into wild hypotheticals.
This is the reason why 'before the big bang' doesn't make sense. It's like asking what is more 'in the middle' of a circle, than its centre.
@PrettyMurky Well Big Bang itself is a prove for universe being not eternal besides law of Entropy that proves Universe has a beginning and an end so this is how a creation can be defined but, not a Creator...On the other hand our physical body is subjected to time and space but this is not the case with our unconscious mind which give us idea of future through dreams... Here question arises what force caused Big Bang to happen?
@emaan456 PS - Actually, if you take the definition of 'eternal' to be 'for all time', then I suppose that the universe could be described as eternal. However I'm not sure there would be much point in doing so.
George Earl Davis, An American Physicist writes:If a Universe could create itself, then it would embody in itself the powers of a creator, A God, and we should be forced to conclude that the universe itself is a God. Thus the existence of a God would be admitted, but in the peculiar form of a God that in both supernatural and material. I choose to conceive of a God who has created a material universe not identical with Himself but dominated and permeated by Himself.”
@PrettyMurky When we say GOD we infer and reason by observing something known to something Unobservable. There are facts which we can know of, rather than know. The way to arrive at them is by inference. Of all the facts in the universe of fact, we can know some, relatively few, by sense perception. But how can we come to know of others? By inference, or reasoning.
@emaan456 If you only look at complex things that had a designer, then obviously you're going to think that complexity and design are related. What about snowflakes; each complex and unique, surely the work of a designer? Unless you consider the near-limitless environmental variations, and of course maths. Besides the 'system of a country' isn't usually designed; they evolve, developing and adapting over time.
@PrettyMurky The word Existence is only applicable on creations or things created...if science is indicating something eternal and everlasting as a Creator then how can He exist since He's not a creation....He was,He is and He will...
1. Say (O Muhammad): "He is Allah, (the) One.
2. "Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks).
3. "He begets not, nor was He begotten;
4. "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him."
@emaan456 Our ability to describe maths may evolve, however the mathematical concepts themselves are unchanging, & true regardless of how much we understand it. You ask why mathematical description should be accurate; because over time, humans have realised how important it is; so we've got quite good at it.
But asking why it should fit external nature?
That's like asking why a puddle should fit so well, the hole it is in.
@emaan456 I have no idea who Sabraneem Shaikh is, but that quote is attributed to Einstein.
'Mathematical description' was developed by observing the universe, that's how it 'fits'. The universe appears to operate in a predictable manner, something that we have deduced via observation. The universe operates according to these rules because it does. If we lived in another universe it could operate in another way. The only thing less believable than the big bang is an omnipotent being.
Organised? More like following forces that science describes. Meaningful? I don't see any meaning within the universe, that's just your opinion. Your god argument is based on stuff you just pulled out of your ass.
“The future may not be as unalterably determined by the past as we used to think, in part at least it may rest on the knees of whatever gods there be.” Sir James jeans; the mysterious universe, the university press Cambridge, 1984.p.22
@MsHyde1 “It’s ironic that my generation should be the one coming back to religion.” Says Professor of law at Harvard law school Alan Dershowitz (45) : We were the generation that had all the freedom and all the choices.’ And yet , it is the rootlessness of much of that freedom that has brought so many intellectuals back to religion.
You'll have to do better than quoting intelligent people who were indoctrinated into christianity and judaism from the moment they could grasp such a concept. XD
@MsHyde1 The believe in One God is built in humans....we are given the time of this life for recognition the One God...Islam is the last and final religion....that is preserved in its original form till date.You People should study Religions including Islam and then make decisions whatever you feel....Death is not the end of life but the end of test...If we don't deliver this final message of Islam then we will be answerable before God on judgement day.
Oh, I dunno.. 2000 years of wars, surpression, discrimination, murder, terrorism, torture, physical and mental abuse, anti-science and money-making while the sheep starved in a metaphorial or literal sense? Kinda makes McDonalds look like the best thing that ever happened to humanity.
@MsHyde1 hmm...but this is because people misunderstood the religion...more than this people have been fighting with each other over women and money issues but does this make women and wealth wrong or evil?
@MsHyde1 This is not the case...in fact your words show the apology for not understanding Religion in any form...and this is the excuse for living free from Superior being.We will accept it if people who are anti religious live an Eternal life and a life free from miseries....
So did you read a scientific paper on sleep now? I guess not. Your religion is just an excuse to avoid learning anything about reality so you can reduce the world to gawddidit.
And frankly, your "superior being" does not help you religious guys to leave a good life. The atheis countries of Europe are better off on all accounts so how do you explain that? Why are atheist more moral and happier? Why does you superior being punish those who kiss his ass?
@MsHyde1 What you are saying against religion has itself no basis infact. It should not be forgotten that the modern method of reasoning does not insist that only those things which can come under direct observation have a real existence. A scientific supposition which is based on direct observation can also be as much a fact as the result of scientific experiment. We cannot, however, say that a scientific experiment is always right simply because it is an experiment.
"We cannot, however, say that a scientific experiment is always right simply because it is an experiment."
Who claimed it was? If something is proven by the means of science however, claiming that gawddidit becomes kind of hilarous. And I say the pink, sparkly, invisible tapeworm did it!
@MsHyde1 Cressy Morrison asks with reason in his book, Man does not stand alone,
How much must man advance before he fully realizes the existence of a supreme intelligence, grasps His goodness that we exist, assumes His full part in destiny and strives to live up to the highest code he is capable of understanding without attempting to analysis God’s nature or describe His attributes?
Religion has nothing to do with the truth. XD I like how you get insulting just because people don't take your irrational blieves seriously. What do you expect?
@MsHyde1 First thing there is no need to insult if some one dont accept truth(Islam)...Soon,Every one is going to call himself or herself "Deaf, Dumb and Blind" as he/she sees reality with naked eyes cuz He got message of peace but he remained biased and rejected...Today science is also confirming that truth is unreachable and not only what comes in our direct observation...scientists are also men of faith when it comes to know the reality...Like in organic evolution etc etc
A famous scientist James Lovelock said “We are on the edge of greatest die-off humanity has ever seen. We will be lucky if 20% of us survive what is coming.(The times of India, May 18,2007.P.22)
@emaan456 Yes, in the distant future, the universe will reach maximum entrophy; however I doubt that even those trillian or so years would be enough for you to actually respond to, or even listen to, a point you disagree with.
But maybe if you throw enough quotes from religious scientists at me, build enough strawmen, try and scare with Pascal's wager, and retell the tale of the Emperor's new clothes enough times; maybe then I'll believe your baseless claims.
@PrettyMurky “One proof of immortality of the soul-Which is essentially intelligence or consciousness-is that the soul could not have end beneath itself, In other words matter or the mental reflection of matter. The higher cannot be merely a function of the lower. It cannot be only a means In relation to what it surpasses.”
Some time in Science something cant be seen and cant be demonstrated but yet accepted as Scientific fact(Like in Organic Evolution) because Mander writes its reasons:
1: It is consistent with all known facts
2:It enables scientists to explain vast multitudes of facts which are otherwise inexplicable.
3:It is the only theory devised which is consistent with the facts.
Then why couldn't, the same formula well be used to establish RELIGION as a fact?
2ndly, evolution CAN be demonstrated; see Lenski E.Coli experiments.
3rdly, if a hypothesis is to become theory, it has to be testable; evolution predicts diseases will behave certain ways, and they do.
Finally, even if Islam's claims of a deity were consistant with reality; that would add no weight to its claims about not eating pork, or its derision of women and homosexuals.
Of all the facts in the universe of fact, we can know some, relatively few, by sense perception. But how can we come to know of others? By inference, or reasoning.
Inference or Reasoning is a mode of thinking, staring from something known, we end by forming a belief that there exist a certain fact hitherto unknown….And the reasoning process is valid because the universe of facts is rational.
@PrettyMurky Reality is not only what can be seen or demonstrated!
It was Newton who first deduced the law of gravitation and today it is accepted as a scientific fact throughout the world. Newton, in a letter to Bentley, comments on its nature on purely empirical point of view. “It is incomprehensible that inanimate and insensitive matter can exert a force of attraction on another without any (visible) contact, without any medium between them.” (Works of Bentley,V.3,P.221)
“We may say that the finding a theory is like discovering the patterns into which a number of particular facts and the general laws which govern them will fit. It is like putting together the piece of jigsaw puzzle from which one or more pieces are missing. When we have fitted together all the pieces available, we can see what the missing piece must be like to enable them to fit into gaps.”(Clearer thinking,P.123)
@PrettyMurky Sir Arthur Keith, who is himself a staunch supporter of organic evolution, did not regard the theory of evolution either as an empirical or inferential fact, but as “A BASIC DOGMA OF RATIONALISM”
A reputed Encyclopedia on science describes Darwinism as a theory based on, Explanation without Demonstration
J.W.N Sullivan puts the earth’s age at two thousand million years- a moderate estimate by his own account. When a period of Trillions and Trillions of years would be required for a single non living proteinous molecule to develop in a purely random way, we have to ask ourselves how more than ten lakh species of animals with fully developed bodies, and more than 2 lakh species of plants could have originated upon the surface of earth within the relatively short period of thousand million years???
And how was it that innumerable member of each species reproduced themselves and became widespread throughout the land and the oceans? Is it really conceivable that within such a short span of time, a superior creature like Man could have evolved from inferior living organisms, and all just by the merest chance???
The probability for a single molecule of high dissymmetry to be formed by the action of chance and normal thermic agitation remains practically nil. Indeed If we suppose 500 trillion shaking per second (5x10^14) which corresponds to the order of magnitude of light frequency (wave length between 0.4 and 0.8 microns). We find that the time needed to form, on an average, one such molecule in a material volume equal to that of our terrestrial globe is about10^243 billions of years.Human destiny,P.34
@emaan456 I can't blame the authors of that book; it was written some time ago, so they wouldn't know about things like the Lenski E. Coli experiment. However you don't have that excuse; especually as I told you about it yesterday. I know that the only book you like to read is the Quran, but if you're not even going to read my comments, can you tell me why I should bother trying to communicate with you?
@PrettyMurky "256. There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower."
The advent of life hereafter assumes a high degree of credibility when we find, astonishingly, that the daily deeds of each and every human individual are being instantaneously recorded throughout the universe at all times.
The human personality manifests itself in three ways: intentions, words and actions. All three manifestations are being preserved in their entirety, all being imprinted on a cosmic screen in such a manner as to make their precise reproduction an instant possibility.
@MsHyde1 What a BIG fool you people are by not giving 1% probability towards God's existence and assuming it nil.
Suppose there is no life after death, religious and anti religious both have nothing to worry about after death
but if there are(which today science is also proving) then who will remain in clear Loss since we as a theist are enjoying this life by eating,having fun etc etc?
Pascal's Wager. Please excuse me while I fall asleep. Don't you have anything better to offer? What if all the other religions are right and you will burn in THEIR gods' hell? What if the pink, sparkly, invisible tapeworm who created the universe is the real god?
There is a particular reason for such a bias approach, about which George Herbert Blount an American Physicist:
Conviction of the reasonableness of theism and the tenuousness of atheism usually in itself does not case a man to accept practical theism. There seems to be an almost innate suspicion that the recognition of Deity will somehow rob one of freedom. To the scholar, who cherishes intellectual liberty, any thought of abridged freedom is especially dreadful.
@MsHyde1 How long taste of McDonald can last?Why don't we enjoy continuously?Why we die when we want to live?Why don't we get what we want?A person don't want to sleep but he is bound to sleep why?If science can not give us answer then who?
@PrettyMurky Scientific findings based on observation are tenable only so long as they deal with the initial and eternal manifestation of nature, but when it comes to defining ultimate realities answering the question “Why” and not the question “HOW” science must yield pride of place to religion, For it fails to answer this momentous question, It has to fall back upon faith in the unseen, something for which religion in latter times has been much criticized.
@emaan456 "“Why” and not “HOW” science must yield to religion"
Lol! I'll ask you AGAIN, 'Why is god?'; let's see this amazing explanatory power of religion in action!
Even in sleep, our minds are limited; by the time and space we experienced when awake; albeit in an often biazarre remix.
Re. G. Davis quote: I take 'creator' to imply some kind of sentience. You could define 'god' to mean 'universe', but we already have a word for that... it's 'universe'.
Science left no room for those who were in false supposition of Universe being Eternal after the discovery of second law of Thermodynamics that is Law of Entropy.
Which clearly states that the universe could not have existed from all eternity.
The law of entropy states that there is a continuous flow of heat from warmer to colder bodies and that this flow cannot be reversed to pass spontaneously in the opposite direction and
A time is coming when all life is going to cease in the universe.
I have junk on the floor and a wang out my draws.
I like her, and her videos, but life and the universe does exist by accident if by accident you just mean chance. There is no rhyme or reason outside of our subjectivity. That is what believers can't shake, the reality that we aren't objectively special or even meaningful at all. However, if you get past your instincts, you find that our ability to determine meaning ourselves is exponentially superior.
I especially loved the part that ends with "AND THEREFORE IS NOT DOGMATIC!" Excellent! People accuse me of this all the time for being an atheist. It is really tiring. And the video is excellent overall. Hat's off!
I'll live my life the same way I've always lived it if it's all the same to you. And wouldn't you know, so far I've not killed anyone, stolen anything, or needed to be told how to act. Outside of my parents, my peers and my own conscience that is. And what do you mean by 'too late'? Live your life in fear if you must, don't expect me to do the same.
@Stu1027 If there is a way thru death to see your parents, peers and friends...you should at least look into what Jesus said and did...He is the most amazing man who ever walked this earth..The greatest commandment he gave us was To love the Lord your God and Love your neighbour as yourself...and even love your enemies. .we humans cannot even love our own wives or husbands...maybe everything is going well for you but storms will come as they do for everyone..we all need God to life a full life
@babaluboo123 You do not understand who Jesus is and what his death on the cross has achieved......Man's default position is that he is separated from God because of his sin ..selfishness ...hell is being separated from God ..the choice is yours ....You want life you admit the truth that you are a sinner and you need a saviour ..you want to stay separated from God and life carry on living life in sin..You are master of your own destiny..me I choose The Truth The Way The Life now and forever.
@babaluboo123 It's like a doctor telling you you've got cancer and you will die but there is a way to save yourself.....your logic is..The doctor is scaring me into taking the cure.
..Worse than that you attribute damnation to the One who has given his life to save you from damnation. "There are none as blind as those who do not want to see"
@babaluboo123 Jesus said , “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”
Like I said before the choice is yours but you have everything to lose and so much to gain. Maybe you should take a 2nd look at Jesus and who He was and what he said.
@rocksoli4 " the choice is yours but you have everything to lose and so much to gain"...it's not a choice if you hold a gun to the back of ones head, threatening to fire if they disagree, that's coercion.
@noliesundead@noliesundead Man'default position is that he is separated from God because of his sin Any man who says he doesn't sin is a liar...Just as water cannot mix with oil... sinful men cannot know God. Therefore all men need their sins covered in order to even approach their Creator
@rocksoli4 "Man'default position is that he is separated from God because of his sin".....if that is so, that is because god started Man with sin. thus they no choice right at the start. (no choice)
@noliesundead ...If any man can realise this he can respond in two ways. One ..see it as coercion which it is not as I have clearly explained or Two....Get on his knees and thank Jesus for dying for him and covering his sin ...the result is a relationship with God and the gift of eternal life .it's a good deal for accepting the truth about what we are.
@rocksoli4 "Get on his knees and thank Jesus for dying for him and covering his sin"....why does god need to create loopholes? if he was all powerful then Jesus did not NEED to dye for us to be forgiven.
and again how is someone holding a gun to the back of ones head, threatening to fire if they disagree, not coercion? that is a text book example of it!
@noliesundead His greatest gift to every man is to be creative and have freewill to do good or evil. Men were created with power over all creation ..again to do good or evil is their choice....
..You I suspect would readily complain if we were all created the same and programmed to worship and always do good to everyone ..the word robot comes to mind. No, we have the choice to live our own lives with or without God
@noliesundead ...you've heard the words of the Sting song "If you love somebody set them free"..In order for love to be real one cannot demand love..God does not demand to be loved therefore we can choose to live with or without Him
@rocksoli4 "God does not demand to be loved"....if that was true, he would not threaten us with eternal pain for finite miss-givens. that is COERCION. look at how many mental back flips you must do to justify your god.
"Jesus’ death gains us life and forgiveness"...is your god so evil an innocent must die to save others when he could do it merely by changing his mind?
@noliesundead ..... it is only when we discover the truth that we are sinners and that we need him to be made whole and pure and that Jesus’ death gains us life and forgiveness.
@rocksoli4 I don't need anyone's forgiveness. There is no good or evil, they are social constructs for whatever is deemed ethical by the majority at the time.
@DamienZshadow You do and it will enhance your life if you are brave enough to ask for forgiveness when you wrong someone...This also and more so applies to God. For if you are arrogant towards another person you offend the creator of that person.
@rocksoli4 I try to be a decent person and not a douche to anyone so I don't think I've offended anyone. But if I do I'll be sure to apologize to their mothers if that's what you're asking.
Slavery, ritual human sacrifice, murder and rape. All in the Bible, all either sanctioned by or carried out by 'God'.
I don't pretend to be perfect or even aspire to be but what I do know is I'm not going to go anywhere near a belief system that comes from a script that legitimises that little lot. Here's the deal, if you believe in God then you believe is his word. You don't get to cherry pick the best bits and discard the bad stuff. Atheists don't do that. Because we live in the real world.
Slavery was SOCIETIES rule back then, not God. I stated many times that some priests are pedophiles & psychopaths who USE God's name to gain power for their INDIVIDUAL choices
Arrogant in what way? That I originally asked you a question which you ignored? That I pointed out to you that one of your posts trying to illustrate your point was wholly inaccurate? As for ignorance, I'd say you've cornered the market there. When your posts aren't rambling incoherently and at wild tangents, they are rude and abusive. Now, I don't really mind because it's EXACTLY what I've come to expect from this kind of debate. Just waiting for the batshit crazy to arrive.
ask that happy cat behind her if he/she is a sad cat because they do not believe in God. They live for the life they are given, which probably includes free meals.
My Atheism is a conscious decision based on educated choices. In short, I looked at the options, God or not and chose not. It made the most sense. Your posts confirm I was exactly right.
@Stu1027 ...and unwillingness to listen to anybody than urself, always assuming "atheists r the smartest ppl ever, 88% the rest of the world is dumb. Im right & everybody else is wrong. Cuz Im atheist, Im ALWAYS right". Ur 2 in love with the sound of ur own voice, 2 speak the truth. Not in the least bit open-minded. Most of us on the other hand, explore other cultures & understanding (science included) of the many different religions in the world, of how everything fits together
« Most of us on the other hand, explore other cultures & understanding (science included) »
And yet you are entirely unwilling to explore the notion that natural processes are responsible for what we observe today - even though all the data currently available to us seems to indicate this.
@Stu1027Not all atheists r ignorant, biased & blasphemous narcissists lyk u & a couple of the other guys on here; some r good ppl (rare), but just cuz they dont know the fullness of Gods grace, dont mean they lack respect 4 how others live their lives, just cuz they dont believe same as u. Im not one to judge, Im trying to help u, but instead, u insult my intelligence, and faith; which makes u no better than insane war criminals in the world who use Gods name 4 their individual agendas
Hitler was Catholic, Herod was a practising Jew. Stalin WAS an atheist so I'll give you that one but 1 out of 3 is pretty poor. You're on the internet, try researching before you comment.
And Roald Dahl said Charlie was given a chocolate factory but that don't necessarily make it so. My Atheism is constant, always has been. What you seem to be saying is that faith is not. And you're also ducking my original point about the existence of gravity. But I'm not really surprised that you chose not to address it.
@Stu1027 oh really? That which u call "atheism" serves nothing more than a mask to cover ur own spiritual rejection and denial of truth. Atheism is just something used to preserve those "positive" emotions that u occationally feel. Another possibility is that atheism is a concept u conveniently borrowed under the logic, that it would endow u with some sense of strength
@paradisecityX0 Maybe your existance is pointless, but mine is not. I don't need an endless life, what the hell will you or anyone else do for eternity? Proofread your damn comments too.
@paradisecityX0 why do you presume an atheist wants only 1 life (or that even only believe in 1 life given Buddhist don't always believe in a diety but can believe in reincarnation)? As an atheist I suspect there may be a big crunch which may eventually reform us given infinite time and energy.
@paradisecityX0 atheists/agnostics withold judgements for which there is no evidence for and disbelieve what appears to be false such as in instances of religion. It isn't about what they want to believe other than wanting to know the truth.
@MrNicMachiavelli yeah but evidence is all u rely on; u don't need evidence to prove laws of gravity, or the presence of air. Scientific evidence is accurate alot of times but its also flawed, its not perfect; that's why they're called theories. Take for example, Darwin's crackpot "ape-man" theories. There's no way in hell that humans lived on Earth for more than 50,000 BC (as u assume we existed over a million years). If we did, the digital age (society we live in now)...
@paradisecityX0 gravity and air ARE evidence. I believe these things but I can experience them and they have been tested and proved. As far as evolution goes, sure we would be farther along after several hundreds thousand years...except for disease, famine, wars, disasters, cultures based off poor assumptions (religious ones for example) etc... People don't simply "just learn," something. Progress is based on an accumulation of knowledge affected by circumstances.
@MrNicMachiavelliAnd yes, religion is used by psychopathic war criminals cuz it gives them power, 4 that sole purpose only 2 rule, they don't truly believe in God, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. Jim Jones did it & look what happened (he's just one of many false prophets predicted in the Bible). U seriously think religion is the root of war? HA! U ever heard of WW2? Cold War? Black slavery/torture? the killing/rapes of Native Americans?Religion had nothing to do with them
@MrNicMachiavelli And u think the world would be peaceful being all atheist? Yeah fucking right; as long as there are ppl, there will always be war. Christianity explains why the world is chaotic the way it is now; do u SERIOUSLY believe that "atheism brings peace" horse shit? Politics, nations, ideologies, ethnicity, and just pure phychotic hate; u don't think they cause war? All of them do, and (are u ready for it?) atheism. "Wow, can u believe that!? 0.0"
@paradisecityX0 actually I have no clue how you are correlating atheism with these other variables. I think religion is a major motivator for war. No, it is not the only motivation, but it certainly makes rationalizing it easier. It is also a major justification for war. Greed itself does not historically purely explain the behavior of military conquest.
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@emaan456:
"First thing there is no need to insult if some one dont accept truth(Islam).."
Islam? Haha, yes there is a need to insult you for this selfcentered arrogance. So fuck you.
[insert preachy blabla]
"Like in organic evolution etc etc "
Scientists don't need to have faith in evolution because it is based on proven facts.
MsHyde1 6 days ago
Not all atheists are dogmatic but most if not all, "militant" atheists love using big words and long sentences to get their points across and make themselves look cleverer than they actually are.
TheSchemer1 2 weeks ago
@TheSchemer1 I'm baffled by your comment; it's as if you think the use of 'big words and long sentences' is a bad thing. Why are you so anti-intellectual? Is the ability to use those 'big words and long sentences' not clever? These people are merely using them to appear to be clever? Is it even possible to explain complex scientific phenomena in layman's terms?
I'm not even going to bother... Your comment is so fucking stupid it's exasperating.
TenWhoWereTaken 1 week ago
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TheSchemer1 1 week ago
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@TenWhoWereTaken My point is that it not take a genius to spew out scientific gobbledy gook and/or use more words than necessary in everyday conversation. It does not take a genius to abuse the names of various legendary scientists to make a point. It does not take a genius to be an "outspoken atheist" who lectures non-atheist on using logic and reason (whilst not using any logic or reason).
I shouldnt even bother... Your reply is so fucking stupid it's exasperating.
TheSchemer1 1 week ago
"2. Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists.
3. It is He Who has sent down the Book (the Qur'an) to you (Muhammad ) with truth, confirming what came before it. And he sent down the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)."
Al-Quran:03
emaan456 2 weeks ago in playlist Atheism
An invisible atom possesses an internal structure similar to our solar system, with electrons revolving around a nucleus in the same way that planets revolve around the sun, how vastly different the scales, for in the solar system, distances are measured in millions of miles. Yet ,in spite of the scales, THE SYSTEM ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.
Would it be any wonder then if the consciousness, which we as human beings experience existed on a COSMIC SCALE but IN A TOTALLY PERFECT FORM?
emaan456 2 weeks ago in playlist Atheism
@emaan456 Consciousness, or the mind, seems to be an emergent property of our brains. Are you saying that you see god, or some greater consciousness/mind, as the emergent property of the universe as a whole?
PrettyMurky 2 weeks ago
@PrettyMurky By using the scientific method "Inference or reasoning" we can deduce the result of having Only One creator of this universe.
The greatest evidence of GOD before us is his creation. Nature itself and our study of Nature proclaim the fact there is one God who in the infinity of his wisdom, has created and continues to sustain this universe.
emaan456 2 weeks ago
@emaan456 "Nature itself and our study of Nature proclaim the fact there is one God"
How?
PrettyMurky 2 weeks ago
The very existence of the universe with its superb organization and immeasurable meaningfulness, is inexplicable except as having been brought into existence by a Creator- A Being with an infinite intelligence -rather than by blind force.
Outside the nihilistic group, the existence of the universe is accepted as a reality. The moment we admit its existence, we find belief in GOD is inescapable, because the notion of creation having arisen spontaneously out of nothing is quite inconceivable.
emaan456 2 weeks ago
@emaan456 I wouldn't describe the universe as 'organised'; I'd descibe it as 'adhering to mathematics'; and before you start equating descriptive and prosciptive laws, I think these laws are the way they are because they are the only way that is mathematically possible.
Also; "the notion of creation having arisen spontaneously out of nothing is quite inconceivable." - you're assuming time to be eternal and unilateral; the Big Bang could simply be one 'end' of the universe's 'shape'.
PrettyMurky 2 weeks ago
@PrettyMurky
Dr. sabraneem chandar shaikh a famous scientist said:
"The most incomprehensible thing about nature is that It Is Comprehensible..Why?
Why should mathematical description be accurate?
Mathematical description is something the human mind has evolved.Why should it fit external nature?
We do not have answers to these questions.
One is not saying the world is orderly and therefore must be ordered.
But why should we understand the world in terms of the concepts we have developed?"
emaan456 2 weeks ago
@emaan456 Our ability to describe maths may evolve, however the mathematical concepts themselves are unchanging, & true regardless of how much we understand it. You ask why mathematical description should be accurate; because over time, humans have realised how important it is; so we've got quite good at it.
But asking why it should fit external nature?
That's like asking why a puddle should fit so well, the hole it is in.
PrettyMurky 2 weeks ago
@PrettyMurky These questions were asked by many famous scientists like Einstein, Schrodinger to Kepler on...How is it that the human mind, extremely small compared to the universe and living over a time span microscopic in terms of astronomical time, comprehend reality in ideas which spring from the human mind?
I don't think these scientists would ask something awkward.Do they?
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456 Ideas don't just 'spring from the mind'; they are developed in it it, by the processing of information gathered from the world around us.
Even though stars and planets are much bigger than people, we are able to understand their motions through astronomy; we may not perfect knowledge of their every atom, but we realise enough about them to comprehend their motion.
Now the REAL question is whether maths is an analogy of the universe, or if it's the other way around!
PrettyMurky 1 week ago
@PrettyMurky Newton came to the conclusion that all bodies exert a mutual attraction.
But he had no answer to the question “why do bodies attract one another?
He himself confessed to having failed to offer any explanation for this.
On this point A.N. Whithead, the noted American mathematician and philosopher says: “By admitting this fact ,Newton has expressed a great philosophical truth, that is ,..(cont)
emaan456 1 week ago
@PrettyMurky ,(cont)... if nature is inanimate, it can give no explanation to us, just as a dead man cannot narrate any incident. All rational and logical explanation of a purpose, where no ontology can be ascribed to a dead universe.(The age of analysis.85)
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456 And do your god claims answer the questions of 'why' any better?
You seem to claim that god has always existed; why has god always existed?
Besides, I believe that advanced enough string thory and pure maths possibly could answer more philosophical questions of the universe; although probably not in a way that most people would find satisfying. Even so, they can make a much better go at it than the religious answer of 'God did it'.
PrettyMurky 1 week ago
@PrettyMurky Where the mysteries of digestion and assimilation were seen as evidence of Divine intervention, They now are explained in terms of chemical reaction, each reaction under the control of an enzyme.
BUT DOES IT RULE GOD OUT OF HIS UNIVERSE?
Who determined that these reactions should take place, and that they should be so exactly controlled by the enzymes?
(cont)
emaan456 1 week ago
@PrettyMurky (cont)
One glance at a present day chart of the various cyclic reactions and their interaction with each other rules out the possibility that this was JUST A CHANCE RELATIONSHIP that happened to work.
Perhaps here, more than any place else,
Man is learning that GOD works by principles that HE established with the creation of life.”
The evidence of God in an expanding universe,P.221
emaan456 1 week ago
@PrettyMurky By Frank Allen a prominent biophysics.
“It has often been made to appear that material universe has not needed a Creator. It is undeniable, however, that the universe exists. Four solution of its origin may be proposed: first , that it is an illusion contrary to the preceding statement; second, that it spontaneously aroused from nothing; third, that it had no origin but has existed eternally; and fourth is , that it was created.”
which option you'll favor?
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456 Firstly, it is not chemisty that will provide the ultimate answers, it is string theory, and the purest of maths. I believe that the universe exists the only way it can do; defined by essential mathematical principles. You don't need a god to design prime numbers; they simply are.
Secondly, Frank Allen's four solutions fail to consider time as a property OF the universe, so neither 'spontaneously' or 'eternally' would make proper sense when discussing it.
PrettyMurky 1 week ago
@PrettyMurky This is what my questions are..Why there is such correlation between Mathematics and system of Universe?
Sir James Jeans, an astrophysicist said: "The universe appears to have been designed by a pure mathematician."
Encyclopedia Britannica(1984) vol.15,P.531
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456 If, in absence of your own thoughts, you are going to simply quote others'; atleast get the source right. The Sir Jeans quote was from his 'The Mysterious Universe', first published in 1929. To its content: Yes; even if you accept the supposition that the universe is designed, then the evidence for mathematical governance is still overwhelming. The question is why should we accept that supposition?
PrettyMurky 1 week ago
@PrettyMurky Yes, the mathematical governance is overwhelming because it gives us signs and indications towards such a Supreme Power which is beyond to comprehend by our little human mind.Again the Design requires a designer...mathematical order and harmony gives us clear idea about the majesty and power of one Being...In depth study of science leaves no room for any other supposition...does it?
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456 (Cont)
You ask "Why there is such correlation between Mathematics and system of Universe?". They don't simply correlate; they are equivilent. Everything works mathematically, everything IS maths. I believe that the universe is the mathematical expression of non-existence.
Now may I ask you a question?
- Why does god exist?
PrettyMurky 1 week ago
@PrettyMurky The right question is why does human exist?We cannot even understand His universe/Creation...
A Nobel Prize winner James Watson Cronin said: 96% of our universe consists on Dark matter. Dark matter cannot be detected directly, because it does not emit or reflect light or radiation-or not enough to be picked up by available tools.(The Times of India, New Delhi, Sep23,2007, P.20)
He further says “ We think we understand the universe but we only understand 4% of everything.
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456 "mathematical governance.. indications.. a Supreme Power" - How? How does ubiquitous mathematics indicate design, when 'designing' requires a mind, which all evidence points to being an emergent property of some kind of brain.
You are correct however, when you say that the word 'exist' has no place when discussing 'god'; I'll rephrase my question: Why is god? Please focus on the 'why', and please tell me your own thoughts, rather than some quote you've googled.
PrettyMurky 1 week ago
@PrettyMurky Can a system of a country run on its own if we find rules and regulations every where?
Can a traffic signaling system work without any Organizer or operator if we see mathematical order in it?
To make your question more clear I would ask "Why isn't God?"
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456 I didn't think you'd be able to answer the 'Why is god?' question. So much for the amazing explanitory power of religion!
'Why isn't god?' is much easier; I alluded to it a couple of comments ago.
If god is essentially 'a mind which created everything', we can examine what a mind is, and find all evidence shows that 'mind' is an emergent property of 'brain'; not neccessarily biological, but resulting from something. ...
PrettyMurky 1 week ago
@PrettyMurky (cont)
... So god is 'a thing which came from something, which created everything'. How can god create everything, when god (being a mind) requires a 'thing' to originate from. The idea is therefore inconsistant; and that, is why god isn't.
PrettyMurky 1 week ago
@PrettyMurky Or If something created God's brain and then God's mind that cause to create every thing....then what thing created something that created God who created every thing? and what was before that created the thing which created something and so on.....If it is so then will this universe ever be able to stand like this?
emaan456 1 week ago
@PrettyMurky Do you want to say this If we do accept that there is a creator of the universe, we shall be compelled to accept this creator as being eternal .And when God has to regarded as eternal , why should not the universe itself be regarded as eternal instead?
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456 Even if a creator was assumed to exist; trying to describe it, or the universe, as eternal still conflicts with time being a property of the universe. I suppose that could be incorperated into the initial assumption, but then you're just getting into wild hypotheticals.
This is the reason why 'before the big bang' doesn't make sense. It's like asking what is more 'in the middle' of a circle, than its centre.
PrettyMurky 1 week ago
@PrettyMurky Well Big Bang itself is a prove for universe being not eternal besides law of Entropy that proves Universe has a beginning and an end so this is how a creation can be defined but, not a Creator...On the other hand our physical body is subjected to time and space but this is not the case with our unconscious mind which give us idea of future through dreams... Here question arises what force caused Big Bang to happen?
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456 PS - Actually, if you take the definition of 'eternal' to be 'for all time', then I suppose that the universe could be described as eternal. However I'm not sure there would be much point in doing so.
PrettyMurky 1 week ago
George Earl Davis, An American Physicist writes:If a Universe could create itself, then it would embody in itself the powers of a creator, A God, and we should be forced to conclude that the universe itself is a God. Thus the existence of a God would be admitted, but in the peculiar form of a God that in both supernatural and material. I choose to conceive of a God who has created a material universe not identical with Himself but dominated and permeated by Himself.”
The evidence of God.P.71
emaan456 1 week ago
@PrettyMurky When we say GOD we infer and reason by observing something known to something Unobservable. There are facts which we can know of, rather than know. The way to arrive at them is by inference. Of all the facts in the universe of fact, we can know some, relatively few, by sense perception. But how can we come to know of others? By inference, or reasoning.
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456 If you only look at complex things that had a designer, then obviously you're going to think that complexity and design are related. What about snowflakes; each complex and unique, surely the work of a designer? Unless you consider the near-limitless environmental variations, and of course maths. Besides the 'system of a country' isn't usually designed; they evolve, developing and adapting over time.
PrettyMurky 1 week ago
@PrettyMurky The word Existence is only applicable on creations or things created...if science is indicating something eternal and everlasting as a Creator then how can He exist since He's not a creation....He was,He is and He will...
1. Say (O Muhammad): "He is Allah, (the) One.
2. "Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks).
3. "He begets not, nor was He begotten;
4. "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him."
Al-Quran:112
emaan456 1 week ago
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@emaan456 Our ability to describe maths may evolve, however the mathematical concepts themselves are unchanging, & true regardless of how much we understand it. You ask why mathematical description should be accurate; because over time, humans have realised how important it is; so we've got quite good at it.
But asking why it should fit external nature?
That's like asking why a puddle should fit so well, the hole it is in.
PrettyMurky 2 weeks ago
@emaan456 I have no idea who Sabraneem Shaikh is, but that quote is attributed to Einstein.
'Mathematical description' was developed by observing the universe, that's how it 'fits'. The universe appears to operate in a predictable manner, something that we have deduced via observation. The universe operates according to these rules because it does. If we lived in another universe it could operate in another way. The only thing less believable than the big bang is an omnipotent being.
TenWhoWereTaken 1 week ago
@TenWhoWereTaken Was the Universe created by a Mathematical mind?
Why is it in dealing with the eternal verities, the area of experiment is reduced and that of contemplation enhanced?
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456:
Organised? More like following forces that science describes. Meaningful? I don't see any meaning within the universe, that's just your opinion. Your god argument is based on stuff you just pulled out of your ass.
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1
“The future may not be as unalterably determined by the past as we used to think, in part at least it may rest on the knees of whatever gods there be.” Sir James jeans; the mysterious universe, the university press Cambridge, 1984.p.22
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456:
The guy believes in a sky daddy so what do I care? I can appreciate his sience without the supernatural nonsense, thanks.
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 “It’s ironic that my generation should be the one coming back to religion.” Says Professor of law at Harvard law school Alan Dershowitz (45) : We were the generation that had all the freedom and all the choices.’ And yet , it is the rootlessness of much of that freedom that has brought so many intellectuals back to religion.
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456:
You'll have to do better than quoting intelligent people who were indoctrinated into christianity and judaism from the moment they could grasp such a concept. XD
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 The believe in One God is built in humans....we are given the time of this life for recognition the One God...Islam is the last and final religion....that is preserved in its original form till date.You People should study Religions including Islam and then make decisions whatever you feel....Death is not the end of life but the end of test...If we don't deliver this final message of Islam then we will be answerable before God on judgement day.
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456:
"The believe in One God is built in humans...."
The urge to gobble down the trash from McDonalds all over the world is, too.
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 But You see the universe is not the heap of garbage or trash of McDonald...
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456:
No, but religion is. :)
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 And what is your proof for such claim...?
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456:
Oh, I dunno.. 2000 years of wars, surpression, discrimination, murder, terrorism, torture, physical and mental abuse, anti-science and money-making while the sheep starved in a metaphorial or literal sense? Kinda makes McDonalds look like the best thing that ever happened to humanity.
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 hmm...but this is because people misunderstood the religion...more than this people have been fighting with each other over women and money issues but does this make women and wealth wrong or evil?
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456:
Stop making apologies for religion. Religions consist if people, they are practiced and interpreted by people. People ARE the religion.
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 This is not the case...in fact your words show the apology for not understanding Religion in any form...and this is the excuse for living free from Superior being.We will accept it if people who are anti religious live an Eternal life and a life free from miseries....
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456:
So did you read a scientific paper on sleep now? I guess not. Your religion is just an excuse to avoid learning anything about reality so you can reduce the world to gawddidit.
And frankly, your "superior being" does not help you religious guys to leave a good life. The atheis countries of Europe are better off on all accounts so how do you explain that? Why are atheist more moral and happier? Why does you superior being punish those who kiss his ass?
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 What you are saying against religion has itself no basis infact. It should not be forgotten that the modern method of reasoning does not insist that only those things which can come under direct observation have a real existence. A scientific supposition which is based on direct observation can also be as much a fact as the result of scientific experiment. We cannot, however, say that a scientific experiment is always right simply because it is an experiment.
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456:
"We cannot, however, say that a scientific experiment is always right simply because it is an experiment."
Who claimed it was? If something is proven by the means of science however, claiming that gawddidit becomes kind of hilarous. And I say the pink, sparkly, invisible tapeworm did it!
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 Cressy Morrison asks with reason in his book, Man does not stand alone,
How much must man advance before he fully realizes the existence of a supreme intelligence, grasps His goodness that we exist, assumes His full part in destiny and strives to live up to the highest code he is capable of understanding without attempting to analysis God’s nature or describe His attributes?
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456:
Repend of the pink, spakly, invisible tapeworm will send you to hell!
That is how you guys sound to atheists.
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 Yes, that's how truth sounds to Dumb,Deaf and Blind atheists...
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456:
Religion has nothing to do with the truth. XD I like how you get insulting just because people don't take your irrational blieves seriously. What do you expect?
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 First thing there is no need to insult if some one dont accept truth(Islam)...Soon,Every one is going to call himself or herself "Deaf, Dumb and Blind" as he/she sees reality with naked eyes cuz He got message of peace but he remained biased and rejected...Today science is also confirming that truth is unreachable and not only what comes in our direct observation...scientists are also men of faith when it comes to know the reality...Like in organic evolution etc etc
emaan456 6 days ago
A famous scientist James Lovelock said “We are on the edge of greatest die-off humanity has ever seen. We will be lucky if 20% of us survive what is coming.(The times of India, May 18,2007.P.22)
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456 Yes, in the distant future, the universe will reach maximum entrophy; however I doubt that even those trillian or so years would be enough for you to actually respond to, or even listen to, a point you disagree with.
But maybe if you throw enough quotes from religious scientists at me, build enough strawmen, try and scare with Pascal's wager, and retell the tale of the Emperor's new clothes enough times; maybe then I'll believe your baseless claims.
PrettyMurky 1 week ago
>When we say There is one God who made Big Bang to happen, Here science gives How 'Big Bang' happens and dint mention WHO DID IT?
We dint see God and So scientists cant see Force,Gravity,Electron,Evolution,current etc etc so we both are men of faith!
>When we say this Universe is going to end soon,Science also confirms it.
>When we say there is life after death, Science is positive about soul as being immortal.
>When we say there is a world other than this science names it "Anti World"
emaan456 6 days ago
@emaan456
> That's because there's nothing to suggest that 'who' is a relevent question on the subject.
> Just because something can't be 'seen' with the naked eye, doesn't mean it can't be demonstrated.
> Citation needed
> Citation needed
> Citation needed
PrettyMurky 6 days ago
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@PrettyMurkyThis is the most important question "Who caused Big Bang to happen?"
Many famous scientists believed in God in any form or other..
>Newton needed a DIVINE ARM to run the solar system,
>Darwin believed in One Creator for Organic evolution,
>Einstein felt a SUPERIOR MIND Who is revealing His attributes in the Universe.
>Sir James jeans concluded that the Universe is a Great THOUGHT rather than Great Machine.
>According to Sir Arthur Eddington "The stuff of the world is MIND stuff"...
emaan456 6 days ago
@PrettyMurky “One proof of immortality of the soul-Which is essentially intelligence or consciousness-is that the soul could not have end beneath itself, In other words matter or the mental reflection of matter. The higher cannot be merely a function of the lower. It cannot be only a means In relation to what it surpasses.”
Frithjof schuan, Understanding Islam
emaan456 6 days ago
@PrettyMurky
Some time in Science something cant be seen and cant be demonstrated but yet accepted as Scientific fact(Like in Organic Evolution) because Mander writes its reasons:
1: It is consistent with all known facts
2:It enables scientists to explain vast multitudes of facts which are otherwise inexplicable.
3:It is the only theory devised which is consistent with the facts.
Then why couldn't, the same formula well be used to establish RELIGION as a fact?
emaan456 6 days ago
@emaan456 1stly, wtf is Mander?
2ndly, evolution CAN be demonstrated; see Lenski E.Coli experiments.
3rdly, if a hypothesis is to become theory, it has to be testable; evolution predicts diseases will behave certain ways, and they do.
Finally, even if Islam's claims of a deity were consistant with reality; that would add no weight to its claims about not eating pork, or its derision of women and homosexuals.
PrettyMurky 6 days ago
@PrettyMurky Scientists are also men of Faith!
Of all the facts in the universe of fact, we can know some, relatively few, by sense perception. But how can we come to know of others? By inference, or reasoning.
Inference or Reasoning is a mode of thinking, staring from something known, we end by forming a belief that there exist a certain fact hitherto unknown….And the reasoning process is valid because the universe of facts is rational.
A.E Mander, Clearer thinking, P .50
emaan456 5 days ago
@PrettyMurky Reality is not only what can be seen or demonstrated!
It was Newton who first deduced the law of gravitation and today it is accepted as a scientific fact throughout the world. Newton, in a letter to Bentley, comments on its nature on purely empirical point of view. “It is incomprehensible that inanimate and insensitive matter can exert a force of attraction on another without any (visible) contact, without any medium between them.” (Works of Bentley,V.3,P.221)
emaan456 5 days ago
@PrettyMurky According to the A.E Mander,
“We may say that the finding a theory is like discovering the patterns into which a number of particular facts and the general laws which govern them will fit. It is like putting together the piece of jigsaw puzzle from which one or more pieces are missing. When we have fitted together all the pieces available, we can see what the missing piece must be like to enable them to fit into gaps.”(Clearer thinking,P.123)
emaan456 5 days ago
@PrettyMurky Sir Arthur Keith, who is himself a staunch supporter of organic evolution, did not regard the theory of evolution either as an empirical or inferential fact, but as “A BASIC DOGMA OF RATIONALISM”
A reputed Encyclopedia on science describes Darwinism as a theory based on, Explanation without Demonstration
(Revolt Against reason,P.112)
emaan456 5 days ago
J.W.N Sullivan puts the earth’s age at two thousand million years- a moderate estimate by his own account. When a period of Trillions and Trillions of years would be required for a single non living proteinous molecule to develop in a purely random way, we have to ask ourselves how more than ten lakh species of animals with fully developed bodies, and more than 2 lakh species of plants could have originated upon the surface of earth within the relatively short period of thousand million years???
emaan456 5 days ago
@PrettyMurky (Cont) Regarding Evolution
And how was it that innumerable member of each species reproduced themselves and became widespread throughout the land and the oceans? Is it really conceivable that within such a short span of time, a superior creature like Man could have evolved from inferior living organisms, and all just by the merest chance???
emaan456 5 days ago
The probability for a single molecule of high dissymmetry to be formed by the action of chance and normal thermic agitation remains practically nil. Indeed If we suppose 500 trillion shaking per second (5x10^14) which corresponds to the order of magnitude of light frequency (wave length between 0.4 and 0.8 microns). We find that the time needed to form, on an average, one such molecule in a material volume equal to that of our terrestrial globe is about10^243 billions of years.Human destiny,P.34
emaan456 5 days ago
@emaan456 I can't blame the authors of that book; it was written some time ago, so they wouldn't know about things like the Lenski E. Coli experiment. However you don't have that excuse; especually as I told you about it yesterday. I know that the only book you like to read is the Quran, but if you're not even going to read my comments, can you tell me why I should bother trying to communicate with you?
PrettyMurky 5 days ago
@PrettyMurky "256. There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower."
Al-Quran:02
emaan456 5 days ago
@emaan456 So to clarify: You don't read or respond to the views of others; so no, it is not worth trying to communicate with you.
As you're so keen on holy scripture in place of thought; I'll say goodbye with this:
God's final message to creation was "We apologise for the inconvienience" - HHGtG 4:42
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emaan456 6 days ago
The advent of life hereafter assumes a high degree of credibility when we find, astonishingly, that the daily deeds of each and every human individual are being instantaneously recorded throughout the universe at all times.
The human personality manifests itself in three ways: intentions, words and actions. All three manifestations are being preserved in their entirety, all being imprinted on a cosmic screen in such a manner as to make their precise reproduction an instant possibility.
emaan456 6 days ago
@MsHyde1 What a BIG fool you people are by not giving 1% probability towards God's existence and assuming it nil.
Suppose there is no life after death, religious and anti religious both have nothing to worry about after death
but if there are(which today science is also proving) then who will remain in clear Loss since we as a theist are enjoying this life by eating,having fun etc etc?
Think before Death!
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456:
Pascal's Wager. Please excuse me while I fall asleep. Don't you have anything better to offer? What if all the other religions are right and you will burn in THEIR gods' hell? What if the pink, sparkly, invisible tapeworm who created the universe is the real god?
MsHyde1 1 week ago
There is a particular reason for such a bias approach, about which George Herbert Blount an American Physicist:
Conviction of the reasonableness of theism and the tenuousness of atheism usually in itself does not case a man to accept practical theism. There seems to be an almost innate suspicion that the recognition of Deity will somehow rob one of freedom. To the scholar, who cherishes intellectual liberty, any thought of abridged freedom is especially dreadful.
The evidence of God, P.130
emaan456 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 How long taste of McDonald can last?Why don't we enjoy continuously?Why we die when we want to live?Why don't we get what we want?A person don't want to sleep but he is bound to sleep why?If science can not give us answer then who?
emaan456 1 week ago
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@emaan456:
"How long taste of McDonald can last?"
Not very long, that is why people come back for more again and again, just like going to church or praying. You need that kick again and again.
"Why we die when we want to live?"
Because that is nature. Nature doesn't give a fuck about our desire to be immortal.
"A person don't want to sleep but he is bound to sleep why?"
Read a science book on sleep so you learn why we sleep and why it is important for our body. Seriously...
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@emaan456 errm, science can answer those questions:
We don't 'enjoy continuously', because 'enjoyment' is something we've evolved to have, to regulate behavior, and increase survival chance.
We die because reproduction is more adaptive than longevity, and true 'immortality' is limited by physics.
We sleep for mental and physical recuperation.
Sure, these arn't understood to the fullest; but people, free of religious dogma, are a curious bunch, and will continue to investigate.
PrettyMurky 1 week ago
@PrettyMurky Scientific findings based on observation are tenable only so long as they deal with the initial and eternal manifestation of nature, but when it comes to defining ultimate realities answering the question “Why” and not the question “HOW” science must yield pride of place to religion, For it fails to answer this momentous question, It has to fall back upon faith in the unseen, something for which religion in latter times has been much criticized.
emaan456 1 week ago
@emaan456 "“Why” and not “HOW” science must yield to religion"
Lol! I'll ask you AGAIN, 'Why is god?'; let's see this amazing explanatory power of religion in action!
Even in sleep, our minds are limited; by the time and space we experienced when awake; albeit in an often biazarre remix.
Re. G. Davis quote: I take 'creator' to imply some kind of sentience. You could define 'god' to mean 'universe', but we already have a word for that... it's 'universe'.
PrettyMurky 1 week ago
Science left no room for those who were in false supposition of Universe being Eternal after the discovery of second law of Thermodynamics that is Law of Entropy.
Which clearly states that the universe could not have existed from all eternity.
The law of entropy states that there is a continuous flow of heat from warmer to colder bodies and that this flow cannot be reversed to pass spontaneously in the opposite direction and
A time is coming when all life is going to cease in the universe.
emaan456 1 week ago
I cant take u militant atheists very seriously.
TheSchemer1 1 month ago
@TheSchemer1 Mad?
luciusfluff 1 month ago in playlist More videos from xxxThePeachxxx
Please excuse me but I cannot help but to notice just how hot you are. Yes I am hearing your message but your beauty trumps it. Sorry!
JulesManson 1 month ago
feel sorry for both of u!
humanity is suffering now because of the religions and their bloody wars!
and we don't a god to feel the meaning of this life!
hka11726 1 month ago
it's not like my mother tripped and fell on my father's penis XD
auag19 1 month ago in playlist smsj
youre sexy when you get angry. angry athiest.
eccentricness81 1 month ago
Well done, Ms. Peach!
catgivens 1 month ago
"It's not like my mother tripped and fell on my father's penis." LOL! Well-done explanation.
Almamater8888 1 month ago
Love the video.
TheTruebloodline 1 month ago
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Speaking of 6:02...
I have junk on the floor and a wang out my draws.
I like her, and her videos, but life and the universe does exist by accident if by accident you just mean chance. There is no rhyme or reason outside of our subjectivity. That is what believers can't shake, the reality that we aren't objectively special or even meaningful at all. However, if you get past your instincts, you find that our ability to determine meaning ourselves is exponentially superior.
shabido1 1 month ago
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shabido1 1 month ago
I especially loved the part that ends with "AND THEREFORE IS NOT DOGMATIC!" Excellent! People accuse me of this all the time for being an atheist. It is really tiring. And the video is excellent overall. Hat's off!
drstrangelove09 1 month ago
I love this response. If I ever meet you, I'm buying you your favourite meal and drink. Just to say thanks.
countroshculla 1 month ago
@chrisizq I think she's into you
DistortedV12 2 months ago
Rawr angry atheist is angryyyy
BlackJeopardy 2 months ago
I'll live my life the same way I've always lived it if it's all the same to you. And wouldn't you know, so far I've not killed anyone, stolen anything, or needed to be told how to act. Outside of my parents, my peers and my own conscience that is. And what do you mean by 'too late'? Live your life in fear if you must, don't expect me to do the same.
Stu1027 2 months ago
@Stu1027 If there is a way thru death to see your parents, peers and friends...you should at least look into what Jesus said and did...He is the most amazing man who ever walked this earth..The greatest commandment he gave us was To love the Lord your God and Love your neighbour as yourself...and even love your enemies. .we humans cannot even love our own wives or husbands...maybe everything is going well for you but storms will come as they do for everyone..we all need God to life a full life
rocksoli4 2 months ago
@rocksoli4 He then gave us "Eternal Damnation" which kind of cancels out all his Sweet Love, doesn't it?
babaluboo123 2 months ago
@babaluboo123 You do not understand who Jesus is and what his death on the cross has achieved......Man's default position is that he is separated from God because of his sin ..selfishness ...hell is being separated from God ..the choice is yours ....You want life you admit the truth that you are a sinner and you need a saviour ..you want to stay separated from God and life carry on living life in sin..You are master of your own destiny..me I choose The Truth The Way The Life now and forever.
rocksoli4 2 months ago
@rocksoli4 Way to dodge the human sacrifice comment.
babaluboo123 2 months ago
@babaluboo123 It's like a doctor telling you you've got cancer and you will die but there is a way to save yourself.....your logic is..The doctor is scaring me into taking the cure.
..Worse than that you attribute damnation to the One who has given his life to save you from damnation. "There are none as blind as those who do not want to see"
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rocksoli4 2 months ago
@rocksoli4 No, it's like the make believe doctor in your GI Joe kit telling you, you have cancer.
babaluboo123 2 months ago
@babaluboo123 Jesus said , “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”
Like I said before the choice is yours but you have everything to lose and so much to gain. Maybe you should take a 2nd look at Jesus and who He was and what he said.
rocksoli4 2 months ago
@rocksoli4 " the choice is yours but you have everything to lose and so much to gain"...it's not a choice if you hold a gun to the back of ones head, threatening to fire if they disagree, that's coercion.
noliesundead 2 months ago
@noliesundead @noliesundead Man'default position is that he is separated from God because of his sin Any man who says he doesn't sin is a liar...Just as water cannot mix with oil... sinful men cannot know God. Therefore all men need their sins covered in order to even approach their Creator
rocksoli4 2 months ago
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@rocksoli4 "Man'default position is that he is separated from God because of his sin".....if that is so, that is because god started Man with sin. thus they no choice right at the start. (no choice)
noliesundead 2 months ago
@noliesundead ...If any man can realise this he can respond in two ways. One ..see it as coercion which it is not as I have clearly explained or Two....Get on his knees and thank Jesus for dying for him and covering his sin ...the result is a relationship with God and the gift of eternal life .it's a good deal for accepting the truth about what we are.
rocksoli4 2 months ago
@rocksoli4 "Get on his knees and thank Jesus for dying for him and covering his sin"....why does god need to create loopholes? if he was all powerful then Jesus did not NEED to dye for us to be forgiven.
and again how is someone holding a gun to the back of ones head, threatening to fire if they disagree, not coercion? that is a text book example of it!
noliesundead 2 months ago
@noliesundead His greatest gift to every man is to be creative and have freewill to do good or evil. Men were created with power over all creation ..again to do good or evil is their choice....
rocksoli4 2 months ago
..You I suspect would readily complain if we were all created the same and programmed to worship and always do good to everyone ..the word robot comes to mind. No, we have the choice to live our own lives with or without God
rocksoli4 2 months ago
@noliesundead ...you've heard the words of the Sting song "If you love somebody set them free"..In order for love to be real one cannot demand love..God does not demand to be loved therefore we can choose to live with or without Him
rocksoli4 2 months ago
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@rocksoli4 "God does not demand to be loved"....if that was true, he would not threaten us with eternal pain for finite miss-givens. that is COERCION. look at how many mental back flips you must do to justify your god.
"Jesus’ death gains us life and forgiveness"...is your god so evil an innocent must die to save others when he could do it merely by changing his mind?
noliesundead 2 months ago
@noliesundead ..... it is only when we discover the truth that we are sinners and that we need him to be made whole and pure and that Jesus’ death gains us life and forgiveness.
rocksoli4 2 months ago
@rocksoli4 I don't need anyone's forgiveness. There is no good or evil, they are social constructs for whatever is deemed ethical by the majority at the time.
DamienZshadow 1 month ago
@DamienZshadow You do and it will enhance your life if you are brave enough to ask for forgiveness when you wrong someone...This also and more so applies to God. For if you are arrogant towards another person you offend the creator of that person.
rocksoli4 1 month ago
@rocksoli4 I try to be a decent person and not a douche to anyone so I don't think I've offended anyone. But if I do I'll be sure to apologize to their mothers if that's what you're asking.
DamienZshadow 1 month ago
Slavery, ritual human sacrifice, murder and rape. All in the Bible, all either sanctioned by or carried out by 'God'.
I don't pretend to be perfect or even aspire to be but what I do know is I'm not going to go anywhere near a belief system that comes from a script that legitimises that little lot. Here's the deal, if you believe in God then you believe is his word. You don't get to cherry pick the best bits and discard the bad stuff. Atheists don't do that. Because we live in the real world.
Stu1027 2 months ago
Slavery was SOCIETIES rule back then, not God. I stated many times that some priests are pedophiles & psychopaths who USE God's name to gain power for their INDIVIDUAL choices
paradisecityX0 2 months ago
@maybebabyny It's comments like those that ppl like u say the dumbest shit; I'm not even gonna reply to that retarded-ass comment
paradisecityX0 2 months ago
Well said. Giving meaning and purpose to ourlives is not impossible without a belief in an invisible being.
cynt123able 2 months ago
I believe i can fly.
I believe i can touch the sky.
I wish you would dump the atheist shtick and concentrate on socially relevant issues.
Your superior belief system is so terminally tedious. Let the plebes worship Santa and move on.
maybebabyny 2 months ago
1 line for me... you're so hot
20jandrews 2 months ago
@paradisecityX0
Arrogant in what way? That I originally asked you a question which you ignored? That I pointed out to you that one of your posts trying to illustrate your point was wholly inaccurate? As for ignorance, I'd say you've cornered the market there. When your posts aren't rambling incoherently and at wild tangents, they are rude and abusive. Now, I don't really mind because it's EXACTLY what I've come to expect from this kind of debate. Just waiting for the batshit crazy to arrive.
Stu1027 2 months ago
ask that happy cat behind her if he/she is a sad cat because they do not believe in God. They live for the life they are given, which probably includes free meals.
MrNicMachiavelli 2 months ago
Are you an air sign?
BrookeaCookea 2 months ago
@paradisecityX0
My Atheism is a conscious decision based on educated choices. In short, I looked at the options, God or not and chose not. It made the most sense. Your posts confirm I was exactly right.
Stu1027 2 months ago
@Stu1027 the only thing that's proved right now is ur ignorance and arrogance
paradisecityX0 2 months ago
@Stu1027 ...and unwillingness to listen to anybody than urself, always assuming "atheists r the smartest ppl ever, 88% the rest of the world is dumb. Im right & everybody else is wrong. Cuz Im atheist, Im ALWAYS right". Ur 2 in love with the sound of ur own voice, 2 speak the truth. Not in the least bit open-minded. Most of us on the other hand, explore other cultures & understanding (science included) of the many different religions in the world, of how everything fits together
paradisecityX0 2 months ago
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@paradisecityX0
« Most of us on the other hand, explore other cultures & understanding (science included) »
And yet you are entirely unwilling to explore the notion that natural processes are responsible for what we observe today - even though all the data currently available to us seems to indicate this.
XGralgrathor 2 months ago
@Stu1027Not all atheists r ignorant, biased & blasphemous narcissists lyk u & a couple of the other guys on here; some r good ppl (rare), but just cuz they dont know the fullness of Gods grace, dont mean they lack respect 4 how others live their lives, just cuz they dont believe same as u. Im not one to judge, Im trying to help u, but instead, u insult my intelligence, and faith; which makes u no better than insane war criminals in the world who use Gods name 4 their individual agendas
paradisecityX0 2 months ago
@paradisecityX0
Hitler was Catholic, Herod was a practising Jew. Stalin WAS an atheist so I'll give you that one but 1 out of 3 is pretty poor. You're on the internet, try researching before you comment.
Stu1027 2 months ago
@paradisecityX0
And Roald Dahl said Charlie was given a chocolate factory but that don't necessarily make it so. My Atheism is constant, always has been. What you seem to be saying is that faith is not. And you're also ducking my original point about the existence of gravity. But I'm not really surprised that you chose not to address it.
Stu1027 2 months ago
@Stu1027 oh really? That which u call "atheism" serves nothing more than a mask to cover ur own spiritual rejection and denial of truth. Atheism is just something used to preserve those "positive" emotions that u occationally feel. Another possibility is that atheism is a concept u conveniently borrowed under the logic, that it would endow u with some sense of strength
paradisecityX0 2 months ago
@paradisecityX0
As far as I was aware. the existence of gravity has been proven. The existence of God has not. You'll need to do better.
Stu1027 2 months ago
The afterlife thing is fucking ridiculous...
demonorse 2 months ago
@demonorse just one poinless berief existance is fucking rediculous, as well as total disrespect of good ppl
paradisecityX0 2 months ago
@paradisecityX0 Maybe your existance is pointless, but mine is not. I don't need an endless life, what the hell will you or anyone else do for eternity? Proofread your damn comments too.
demonorse 2 months ago
@demonorse lol u say u don't need an afterlife? after u lived life, u want it to be all over? ur one depressing person
paradisecityX0 2 months ago
@paradisecityX0 why do you presume an atheist wants only 1 life (or that even only believe in 1 life given Buddhist don't always believe in a diety but can believe in reincarnation)? As an atheist I suspect there may be a big crunch which may eventually reform us given infinite time and energy.
MrNicMachiavelli 2 months ago
@paradisecityX0 atheists/agnostics withold judgements for which there is no evidence for and disbelieve what appears to be false such as in instances of religion. It isn't about what they want to believe other than wanting to know the truth.
MrNicMachiavelli 2 months ago
@MrNicMachiavelli yeah but evidence is all u rely on; u don't need evidence to prove laws of gravity, or the presence of air. Scientific evidence is accurate alot of times but its also flawed, its not perfect; that's why they're called theories. Take for example, Darwin's crackpot "ape-man" theories. There's no way in hell that humans lived on Earth for more than 50,000 BC (as u assume we existed over a million years). If we did, the digital age (society we live in now)...
paradisecityX0 2 months ago
@paradisecityX0 gravity and air ARE evidence. I believe these things but I can experience them and they have been tested and proved. As far as evolution goes, sure we would be farther along after several hundreds thousand years...except for disease, famine, wars, disasters, cultures based off poor assumptions (religious ones for example) etc... People don't simply "just learn," something. Progress is based on an accumulation of knowledge affected by circumstances.
MrNicMachiavelli 2 months ago
@MrNicMachiavelliAnd yes, religion is used by psychopathic war criminals cuz it gives them power, 4 that sole purpose only 2 rule, they don't truly believe in God, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. Jim Jones did it & look what happened (he's just one of many false prophets predicted in the Bible). U seriously think religion is the root of war? HA! U ever heard of WW2? Cold War? Black slavery/torture? the killing/rapes of Native Americans?Religion had nothing to do with them
paradisecityX0 2 months ago
@MrNicMachiavelli And u think the world would be peaceful being all atheist? Yeah fucking right; as long as there are ppl, there will always be war. Christianity explains why the world is chaotic the way it is now; do u SERIOUSLY believe that "atheism brings peace" horse shit? Politics, nations, ideologies, ethnicity, and just pure phychotic hate; u don't think they cause war? All of them do, and (are u ready for it?) atheism. "Wow, can u believe that!? 0.0"
paradisecityX0 2 months ago
@paradisecityX0 actually I have no clue how you are correlating atheism with these other variables. I think religion is a major motivator for war. No, it is not the only motivation, but it certainly makes rationalizing it easier. It is also a major justification for war. Greed itself does not historically purely explain the behavior of military conquest.
MrNicMachiavelli 2 months ago