Hongkong Wing Chun Forms: Siu Nim Tao, Chum Kiu and Biu Ji

[wszqsyt9]

You missed the subtitle for "Chum Kiu"what a pity!!!

[wszqsyt9]

It is so perfect someone can perform professional Wing chun and Speak very good English!!

[WritingBlind]

stance is too wide..movements not precise enough..moving too quickly.

those are the kind of statements he'd get from a REAL Sifu like mine

cmon people, almost anything you find on the internet involving wing chun is off. just get an instructor if you want to learn it.

[roogar2630]

This is the old version of Sun Lim Tao, now they learning newer version with a bit different moves.

[9kiko90]

@roogar2630 Do u know of a video of this new Sun Lim Tao?

[trubblman]

To all of you form lawyers please keep in mind one thing: the form is just a mnemonic. You cannot tell a person's skill just from looking at a video. You actually have to touch hands to feel his skill. A form is like a song - no two people will sing a song the same. And if you do your form just like your sifu you are probably just aping him without understanding the principles.

[AstroAnimation]

very nice, clean, all hand movements looked strong and rigid. It was maybe a little too fast at parts though. I liked

[HungaroHarcos89]

does this guy teach in hong kong?

[wingchunsifu83]

i am sorry this benny meng guys approach to wing chun is all wrong yes you are right his stance and everything is wide i feel sorry for anyone learning under him

[anbuazz12]

@wingchunsifu83 and you call your self a sifu

[Theninja80291]

@wingchunsifu83 when you in a real fight for your life, i hope you have the time to look down and see if your stance is wide enough.

Further more if you can do it better put up some of work i would be happy to learn from a true master. Thank you.

[ukguy]

haha really makes me laugh how people "who take wing chun classes" think they are better or know more than an acomplished master like Sifu Benny Meng. He doesn't just practice Yip man style so you cannot compare what you have learnt. I assure you he would kick your ass. The best kung fu isn't pretty.

[gnt10]

these mistakes seem intentional

1.when geting in to the basic stance he bonces

2. stance is to wide

3.first tan-sau(block) seems very wrong, as well as the timing to swich to gaun-sau(atacking block)

4.the second tan-sau is way to high, normaly both tan's in siu-nim-tau at about the same height

5.strike, the distance from the body at the begining of the strike is to low as well as the angle of the fist

6.the hand movement after the punch seems a bit wrong

7.lan-sau is wrong

there is more...

[allthepaint]

@gnt10 I have met and trained with master Benny Meng. He is probably the most influential person to Wing Chun (ving tsun) in the 21st century. He is well qualified to perform these forms because he is one of the only people in the world to have trained with all the living grandmasters of this art. I would be more likely to say that your view of it here was challenged by poor production that could not show the energy he uses, and has used to instruct thousands of people. This is the bar.

[wingchunsifu83]

@allthepaint you need to meet more masters

[allthepaint]

@wingchunsifu83 Perhaps I do, I wouldn't turn down the opportunity if I had it. My point is I have touched hands with the man myself multiple times, and I wouldn't judge him off this. This is him dumbing it down slowing himself to keep it clear so pricks can get online and hate on it when he meant to give a basic lesson. I like Benny. He was cool and intelligent made it fun and kept it realistic. I wouldn't feel sorry for anyone that had the priviledge to train with him.

[anbuazz12]

@allthepaint what about jim fung, rip jim fung ! only wish i knew you better...

[WingChunEcuador]

@gnt10 u really havent trainned with him, he knows the sistem very very well, better than others master he si very powerfull, and also i should say more about your coment but i prefer stay

[xSilkify]

looks like hes dancing with the music lol

[disturbedtriple6]

@peteretep360 you're an asshole you don't take wing chun if you do, you'd know something about respect so you're a pussy who just talk a lot but don't know anything you're just a troll so stop that and go to find a life own

[weaverzinc]

Thanks for a great video that I will train to. I don't see why people have the credibility to pick things apart. Everyone is different and has a different body so one can't expect a tall guy to look the same or a short person. Me being 6'3" don't need to strike high up at all so my form must adjust to the opponent. Like Bruce Lee said "My style is to have no style"  I really felt this video, not only did I see it, I connected with it. I will add it to my style! Thanks!

[wildcattamergirl]

if u watch ip man this is different.

[burner188]

@peteretep360 : You know, people lose all credibility when they give an opinion and present it as a 'fact'. 

[ManOfSuccess]

i love the music to this, fits his personality

[kmp3000]

Such a cool tune. Love it.

[dpom8883]

has anyone read the book Wing Chun's secret Two man form?

[ArtemisCho]

I am not from a traditional wing chun style however even I know that his stance seems to wide. Or perhaps this is just me?

He looks really tense and his movements look...mechanical. =/

Other than that it was very interesting to watch. ^^

[TanSauNg2008]

@ArtemisCho : I agree, his stance is too wide for my own taste to.

And his movements are not fluid. But it is from a tutorial video, so probably he exaggerated the movements, in order to break individual techniques down, so people can easily learn.

[TanSauNg2008]

@ArtemisCho Also, there are different ways to practice the Siu Nim Tao. For example, when I practice Siu Nim Tao to cultivate my internal energy along with breathing, I move fluidly, and there is no starting - stopping point between techniques. When I practice it to build my muscles and tendon strength, I move more tensely, with some breaks between techniques.

[DavorBa]

@ArtemisCho

Mechanical, robotic at some times, just look at 1:22, you don't have to be a wc practitioner to figure that wasn't meant to be done like that.

[burner188]

@ArtemisCho Agreed, the stance seems a bit wide. I learned two-fist width between the knees (a rough guide) when in Kim Yeung Ma. However, his movements are crisp and precise with a bit of pause in between, not necessarily 'mechanical'. Probably because it's a tutorial. I've seen some sloppy biu jee deomonstrations out there...this isn't one of them. Nice.

[bugarbadboy]

@ArtemisCho no i think his stance is fine but he does look tense

[Linkageboy]

@ArtemisCho The problem with his stance is that he pivots on his toes. He should be pivoting from the middle of his foot, where his laces are.

[anbuazz12]

@ArtemisCho errrr ok well it look fine to me everone has a differend bone struture so everyones stance will alwayz look a lil different than yours , i do practise my forms a lil calmer than that but teaching your body to have really good fast mucle memory is good too!

[desmondtheredx]

@ArtemisCho I thought that it should have been like shoulder width. He seems really stable but doesnt seem like he could move

[match607]

Do you even know who he is? Benny meng studied under moy yat, he runs an accomplished martial arts school, and has been credited by the hong kong martial arts association to teach wing chun, he is also caretaker of the wing chun museum. I thinkhe knows his stuff. Haters!

[2335error]

now i understand ... what they do :D ... wonderful :D i can fly too.

[junlong0107]

Great video and skill. All I can said is that just like once there was a great Karate Master said, "there is no right or wrong kata(form)". Everyone have the rights to have their own expression of form. There is no right or wrong Wing Chun form either. Ever since the founder Wu Mei Shi Tai and Ying Wing Chun, I believe there are countless variations of the 3 wing chun forms. Anyway still good job on ya 3 wing chun forms.

[Acification95]

what is the point of these forms?

when do you ever use them in combat?

thanks

[Filipin0Dude]

@Acification95 its not for combat, they build a strong stance, and trains your arms to move towards your opponents center-line using the most direct path, rather than just machine gun punching with bad technique

[knives110]

interesting music choice.nonetheless good form and techniques are well executed 

[wilsonnee1]

this is not wing chun, no footwork. wu sao is 2 low

[TheDano1947]

If I were standing in front of this guy I might be tempted to kick him square in the goody box. Stance too wide. Not good.

[darkonnis]

My suggestion to all is to watch the Ip Man 2 special features. Phil Morris (Hawkings Cheung's pupil) explains the discrepancies in the different forms, forms are expressive and should be interpreted by each individual in their own way. If you haven't learnt what is exactly shown here, don't worry, it's like everything, everyone does things slightly differently and relies on different parts of what they learn for effectiveness. For example i do thigns differently to my instructor.

[AssilalOmega]

wow thx alot :D i hope i will be able to finde the traditional biu ji form ....well the one befor it gots modified.... thx again and have fun

[dreamofshrooms]

the music is crazy xD

[usdachoice]

Why is the third form spelled Bin Ji in the video? Is that a typo or is there some info that is not privy to me?

[pursell3]

This is as good as it gets. Ip Man was not the only wing chun style. It goes much deeper then that. His style is one of the best. You will find differences between Masters. They are all right if you ask me. Master Meng is first class. He is the real deal. Don't talk down because it's not the way you do it. Show him the respect he deserves.

[Christoff87]

That is one stupidly wide stance!!!

[wingchun2k10]

Sifu Benny Meng has studied several lines of Wing Chun. GM Moy Yat was the last line that he studied under, if I'm correct. He is a top notch WC instructor and you folks that are hating need to do your research on him before you speak. Just my opinion.

[yulaw3]

@wingchun2k10 i agree, im sure he could kick ass.his gong fu is sharp

[wingchunsifu1]

benny mengs forms are perfect. his techniques are perfect. if you ever seen him play chi sao or spar in live action and responses. his form and his posture are one of the best ive seen!!

[gabor6100]

Wing Tsun!

[Marvel952]

This man is a Black Flag member..no Yip Man Wing Chun branch...He is a fake!!!

Marvel (Ip Man Lineage).

[iamdjtsunami]

they all differ slightly, but its generally the same movements

[ILUVWGG]

Um...the sam bai fat(three times buddha) i think is something weird it need to tan sau right?

[deejin25]

Had a Cantonese friend who recently passed away who taught me Sil Lum Tao and basics. He was going to teach me more. I'm going to use this clip to help learn these forms to remember my friend..

[SiHingChris1]

very good Wing Chun !!!

[macedmatt]

lol cool music choice xD

[boatsafloatseattle]

It was great to find this post as I try to learn forms. The different camera angles are helpful in seeing the moves clearly. Many thanks for this post!

[TheBcdragon]

I'm from Yip Man branch, thanks for the three awesome forms, I'm sure a lot people enjoy this . Your people should not talk shit about the music, be respect!

[Cosenza73]

Thank you for your video. I am taking Kung fu at my college. It is my first semester of wing chun. I am a beginner and i was told to practice the form at home.I looked at a lot of the videos but your man is the only one who does it the same way as my sifu.

[gecko303]

All wing chun training should be done to this music. : )

[SifuNikos]

Nice video...If you want see my wooden dummy too..

/watch?v=UkhyhZzxIlk

[Deankau]

alot of people saying its tense like its a bad reason, look at his form theres no wasted movement but boi im just an enthusiast, fort it was pretty sweet

[brainfeargone14]

love the porn music!!!

[kagemusha168]

Was the porno music really necessary?

[Gamerszchannel]

Nice :D

[TheMcRaeBrothers]

the stance seems a little awkward but other then then that it seems great :)

[hulkout666]

I love the music during the first 2 forms. I feel like I'm in an old Starsky and Hutch episode. But seriously, good stuff. Benny Meng definitely knows his stuff.

[Gandalf1324]

i also think that a lot of stuff is diffrent from what i learned, especially in basic movements and therefore in the idea of how to deal with an attack

but it doesnt have to mean that it is bad, as long as it works in the entire system that guy teaches, it can be good.

[scottsummers10]

@Gandalf1324 if u didn't learn Wing Chun Ip Man, then its gonna look a lil' different.

[XtremeInstincts]

hes making the fist wrong.

[v33punk]

i like the funky bass line.

[bakmei8874]

These are good forms. Best example of a pure line I have seen among what I can find. I do not study Wing Chun, but I do study a southern style and for any Wing Chun students who see this and wonder why it's different it is, in my opinion, because this is the best I've seen so far.

[bastonydaga]

I REALLY LIKE THESE FORMS! I've watched some others, but these are great. I see centerline, elbow position, box 1 wrist control, hip rotation, hyun sau, jut sau, head movement...... on an on...

Good show of wing chun! Definitely outshines other wing chun demos. I study under Francis Fong from the Jiu Wan line.

[Codered1190]

I just started Wing Chun, I study under Sifu Francis Fong, and he was under Jiu Wan who originally studied with Yip Man, and always called Yip Man his superior, and would even train with Yip Man at his school in Hong Kong, Many many many years after they met at their younger ages, Currently I have only studied the first form and this is almost identical to our version, except out sifu preaches on how slow we need to go. Very good job this gives me some insight on what i have to look forward to

[Illuvatar93]

the footwork isnt good... u cant see that he balances his weight, it looks a lil bit like a dancing move when he turns his feet from side to side

[bakmei8874]

@Illuvatar93 I don't think you know what you are looking at or what to look for in this matter. This is one of the best examples of proper footwork I've seen in a long time.

[Illuvatar93]

@bakmei8874 i mean that he's moving both his feet at the same time when turnng around, but like that u can't balance your weight

just imagine how he's gonna slide like that if the bottom isn't that smooth

if u put ur weight one by one into each foot it make u able to turn the unpressured foot and not depend on the relief of the ground^^

[akatsukitensei01]

i didn't realize that learning these three forms would be quite hard... haha

[TeCamela]

he likes a robot, only have a 1 horse, dont move, not naturally and realistic movements, the touken must be fluid, more real...

very very much wing chun styles...yip man, wong sun leun,,, but the ORIGINAL, THE MOST EFFECTIVE, THE MOST DINAMIC, THE MOST COMPLETE, THE ORIGINAL, THE FATHER OF ALL STYLES IS SHAOLIN WENG CHUN KUEN AND ALL HER FAMILYES. ALL MY RESPECT FOR OTHER SUB STYLES FROM A SHAOLIN WENG CHUN KUEN- CHU´S FAMILY DISCIPLE

[thaditinitini]

i hate that music, haha, just torn off the volume

[Saikejo]

r u sure that the biu ji form is correct? cuz the forms that u've done were completely different from mine, your was like um.... idk how to say this but it doesn't really look like it, i mean in some of ur forms ur hands were too high

(sorry if i sound like a asshole or something)

[TanSauNg2008]

@Saikejo It's not me. I am sure that the form is correct, according to the new modification of sifu Ip Man in the last years of his teaching.

However, it is not the original form anymore. When I travel from schools to schools, there are differences in the ways, in the sequences of movements, and there are also different movements that are not in this form.

All the comments regarding to techniques, sequences, performances ...etc ... are welcome. Personal-attack comments are not.

[Saikejo]

@TanSauNg2008 o but now i don't understand how those forms are useful in combats anymore unlike the old traditional ones

[Saikejo]

@TanSauNg2008 no way, what have i've been learning then? everything that i've learned is being replaced

[lordtains]

Every school does things a bit differently.

Ip Man's students made changes as well.

[Nhia89]

@Saikejo every forms are different depending on who you learn it from or which schools you go to or what area in China or its just some wannabe grandmaster who wanna be different and added stuff or took away stuff from the form.

Nothing is the same

[JackTantrum]

@Saikejo I think these forms are done well and they're pretty close to Ip Man's. I've seen many different applications of the various techniques in these forms along with subtle and drastic variations. If you're going to understand someone and their art, you can't say it's wrong or right. You view it, just as it is and in the spirit of knowledge and growth apply it to your own understanding. This is how we all grow and how Wing Chun can grow with us.

[Saikejo]

@JackTantrum i understand but i checked it again and i see a big difference on how the forms are taught to me. I'm sorry if i sound rude but there are lots of differences with the forms that this master is doing. I'm learning traditional wing chun like exactly how master Ip man's form would look like

[Saikejo]

@JackTantrum i understand but i checked it again and i see a big difference on how the forms are taught to me. I'm sorry if i sound rude but there are lots of differences with the forms that this master is doing. I'm learning traditional wing chun like exactly how master Ip man's form would look like. This was before the innovation of wing chun

[robertvoice]

The stand is too open.

[StoutKrautOne]

I like how it's in step with the beat of the music :)

[dmarkey100]

To me this form is wrong, this is the real form, siu lim tao - chrysostomou (youtube)

[gringolazlo]

focus, coordination and alignment.. best WC forms on youtube.

[takeoverprojekt]

Sifu Meng is my teacher. Huber Heights, OH branch of Meng's Martial Arts.

I'm only an orange belt, and on the Shaolin track, not the Wing Chun track, but what I can tell you is if you ask him he will explain every move. He's been teaching martial arts longer than I've been alive (I'm 24), and I'd trust his word over most anybody's.

[SurveyofFilmMusic]

Mr. Ming is SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The best moy Yat practitioner

[sikidunmecit]

hadisiktir yaa yavas tyap sunu aq

[emersonrwt]

que droga!

[LiMaMuFu]

@emersonrwt

sério? mostra um video seu então fazendo melhor então...

cada um por aqui... afff

[rickherrick98]

thanks to you for uploading and to Meng Sifu for performing. from Indiana, USA

[TanSauNg2008]

mp240sx: In the video is not me, and I don't care much about whoever talks whatever about sifu Benny Meng.

However, I believe that your knowledge about Wing Chun, especially about turning feet, is extremely wrong.

Want to prove it in a fight? :D

[mrshitcan1]

@TanSauNg2008 Please do not start challenging. This only proves us to be hot headed and unlearned in the true point of Wing Chun. I see that he has complete control over his body and his stances are strong. The forms do varie as there are many diffrent schools and interpretations of Wing Chun.

[mp240sx]

lol @ the wide stance and moving 2 feet at once to turn. Was invented by a women which makes u have a natural narrow stance. Try getting hit/pushed moving 2 feet at once while turning. You will find out its bad stability/balance. Turning 1 foot at a time will help u absorb an attack as opposed to turning 2 feet at once which can force u to fight against the incoming force. Not the goal of Wing Chun.

[bknives]

you are flat wrong

[hightower6969]

@mp240sx The yi jee kiu yiu ma was not meant to be like the sei ping ma where you try to hold your stance and not move like a tree. It was meant to be versatile and light, but rooted enough to be powerful. Hence, WC; don't fight force with force. When you turn side to side you move both feet because of power transference. Moving one foot at a time you would lose your base and power

[mashaode]

Looks nice! Great respect.. Xie xie ni, gei women biao yien.

Our Forms looks different, but i can see the powerful elements in your form..

Thank you!

[curiusrex]

Even i come from a different style, i have to say my deepest respect.

You don't see very often such a precision and fluent moevements when executing the forms.

Thanks a lot!

[takeoverprojekt]

I am proud that this man is my Sifu. Of all places, he teaches here in Ohio. I've never experienced anything like it.

[hungfayi1]

i study under him as well in dayton ohio i love it

[thaditinitini]

. . good. . . but i hate the background music haha

[frozenheal]

i dont think it´s "tense" it look´s clean & transparent...

best for newbees like me : )

thanks for this upload.

"be water, my friend" ;-)

[flickerman68]

What is important is that the information is spread.

[ClawedMonet12]

I know its a big deal about the copyright stuff, but if this hadn't been posted I never would have known who he was or all the stuff I looked up about him and Wing Chun....

[naygath]

i liked this video, thanks for uploader and performer

[Zazquatch1]

looks too tense if you ask me

[TanSauNg2008]

Agree.

[AznCLuo123]

@TanSauNg2008 yep

[fooboo0]

@Zazquatch1 I was thinking that. I know different people have different interpretations but this looks a little stiff and rushed to me.

[mrshitcan1]

@Zazquatch1 He moves quickly like a machine. His movements are sharp and with purpose. He seems to be able to stop and change at will. This is good Wing Chun.

[kempobrad]

looks good, i'd like to see him playing some chi sao or sparring too

[taocircle]

I've been waiting to see Master Meng in action. Thank you for whoever did the kind thing of sharing this.

[djannias]

Thank you to Master Meng for sharing these forms. Much respect, it was my honor to train ving tsun with him. There is a depth in his research and application of the VT concepts that can't be easily discerned through watching a few forms. I encourage anyone with a genuine interest in Ving Tsun to contact one of his schools.

[SanBaoGung]

many thanks for uploading!

[sifulkf]

Well done Sifu Benny Ming, there are few WC masters in the world who have the ability to see outside of the traditional mess that WC is today. Your insights and knowledge has come from decades of research into this alluring and often misunderstood art. It is important for viewers to understand that WC is a simplified Kung Fu system designed solely to bring down Manchurian solders, nothing more than that. Ridiculous comments on form and weight placement seem trivial and insignificant.

[jdethfield]

I had the privligde of meeting this man and he is the real deal. His movments and structures are so precise it's machine like, he has a presence you can literally feel, and on top of that hes one of the nicest guys you could ever hope to meet

[gtrnismo]

thanks for upload

Wing Chun looks like tutting

[Zaoxue]

Benny Meng is a WC teacher? LOL I dont belive it! This guy is a fake!!! FAKE!!! LOL!!

[utubepunk]

[citation needed] or in other words: where's your proof?

[MoyTaiChung]

Hi meet Si-Hing Benny Ming in the mid 1980s at (our) Sifu Moy Yat's Chinatown school. I think what he has done for the Ving Tsun world is outstanding. Enought said.

[kishido002]

i met benny a few years ago at the ving tsun mus.

seemed to be a pretty good guy.

[adolfobremen]

Muitos comentários precipitados... É da natureza do homem rejeitar o que lhe é estranho, o que não justifica a falta de respeito com o Mestre Meng, uma das maiores autoridades no âmbito do Kung Fu mundial.

[TanSauNg2008]

adolfobremen: I agree with you. Master Benny Meng is one of some masters that I respect very much. He has a very thorough understanding of Wing Chun principles and a very broad knowledge.

However, those forms he performed in this clip are not his best, and can be improved.

But overall, my skill cannot be compared to even some of his students.

[adolfobremen]

my pofessor thinks que you quer to have sua ass chutada by Mestre Meng.

[radoslavsm]

Look at the legs, look at the moves, totaly unuseful Wing Chun, your bill je is like shaking. No useful moves

[Shaolen]

That is BENNY MENG! he can mess you up!

[WThunter01]

there are clips 1000 form where you can watch, really boring now and then as a bad representation! i must truly say, of social WT styles can I find the Wing Chun style on the poorest. Furthermore, since her those who most rend the neck and then get on the snout ... It still remembers ... Boztepe SG 6 against William Cheung "Sifu" ... times are a little quieter ... trained diligently!

[emersonrwt]

esse Benny Meng deveria aprender a feazer IRAS primeiramente... horrível!

[zorro3372]

if your legs still a bit further apart take, you're the first to form in his Spagath shows ... IRAS practicing first, then the straight thumb (vertical not diagonally) ... Have fun

[TanSauNg2008]

He...he... zorro3372,

I totally agree with you. But it is not me.