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the truth is that tarot is much too spiritually potent to be of a trivial origin. but i guess it had to enter the physical world somehow. however people use or have used tarot cards, the tarot system has never been a game. this is because tarot is not the cards you see but the spiritual movement which has been before time.
I am going to leave a Comment here. I think That monte and amy are really good at what they do. I love their tarot cards I own a few of them. I love the enchanted tarot and I have the original Karma cards so cool. I have been doing tarot readings for 16 years and have been a witch for 17 years now. I say keep up the good work The both of you are very knowledgeable. Thank you for all of the beautiful cards and the wisdom you both bring.
I am going to leave a Comment here. I think That monte and amy are really good at what they do. I love their tarot cards I own a few of them. I love the enchanted tarot and I have the original Karma cards so cool. I have been doing tarot readings for 16 years and have been a witch for 17 years now. I say keep up the good work!
@saintben2008 You are very ill informed. Do more research. Tarot began as a game and in some countries like France tarot cards are still used in games. Tarot is not only used in tarot reading.
@11JDHogg I am not chimo9. If you believe in curses and the fictions in this stupid video then you are the one who's ignorant. Tarot was made for card games, not for divination.
and as for your video what i pile of cow dung . serious you believe these cards to be of a paranormal influance like the paper and ink can tell you your future fuck me ill be glad when poeple actually start to grow up lol there is no god just evolution if anything we will be the gods of the universe , and science will allow us to do it not some paranormal bollocks . please someone talk some sence into these people
You need to go back to school and learn about punctuation. You are assumming that you know everything but you don't. There are reasons for everything. Don't think that just because you can't experience it, it doesn't exit. Now shut the fuck up. Wanker.
“...you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire [an ancient occult practice], or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination [detestable] to the LORD…”
lol i love it more moronic sheep following the trionfi card haha serious people you need to get a life and stop playing games lol , first tarot cards trionfi cards commisioned in 1427 by Filippo Maria Viscont where a game card and on which they where for the greeks who he put the 12 greek olyimpian gods on them m 12 significant number is 12 zodiac signs 12 desciples following the sun of god or it is god as it is the giver of life , dog headed egyptians dog backwards is god mmm funny that ...
@arcticwolfxno1x Nope. I think you need to read some real history books before you try preaching to us. To begin, the forerunner to the tarocchi pack had 16 trumps featuring the Greek pantheon, not 12. You just go downhill from there.
As for my stopping playing the games - er, no. They really are too much fun.
@ANIideas This article is about a set of cards used for both trick taking games and occult/divinatory purposes. For other uses, see Tarot (disambiguation).
Visconti-Sforza tarot deck – The Devil card is a 20th Century remake of the card supposed to be missing from the original 15th Century Deck.
Visconti-Sforza tarot deck – The Devil card is a 20th Century remake of the card supposed to be missing from the original 15th Century Deck.
@arcticwolfxno1x I believe you are quoting the wikipedia article. In this case wikipedia is preferable to the outright lies in this video. "Cow dung" is a good word to describe it. Re. ANIideas, Have you seen his 7 part series called "the Tarot Skeptic?" I would recommend it.
The tarot is a set of cards featuring twenty one trump cards, the fool, and an extra face card per suit, in addition to the usual suit (face and pip) cards found in ordinary playing cards. Tarot cards are used throughout much of Europe to play Tarot card games[1]. In English-speaking countries, where the games are largely unknown,
Respond to this video... Tarot cards are utilized primarily for divinatory purposes[1][2] with the trump cards plus the Fool card comprising the twenty two major arcana cards and the pip and four face cards the fifty six minor arcana
As a card game player I object to all the misinformation that this video presents, and in the name of the Fairy of Truth, I rebuke all the nonsense of this video! ~~BAKA~~
⑨Chirno⑨
~~Ciera con la hada de hielo y verdad, jugadora de Tarot
P.S. Tarot was made for card games, not for divination! Monte.. I don't care if it's boring.. you ought to correct the errors of this video or else we will continue to 'disparage' your work for it is based on poor research and outright lies!
This video is full of mere speculation mixed with outright lies... almost no facts presented. Great video for Failblog, totally!
The ideas that the Tarot originated from Egypt, India, China, Israel or whatever other than Italy have been disproved by modern escholarship, and I wonder when Monte and Amy will wake up to the fact that the Tarot is an Italian invention of the century XV specifically for card games with no intention of divination!
cards were probably not meant for divination any more than tea leaves were... but randomly shuffling a deck of cards is indeed a convenient filter through which to reach the unconscious mind. Random patterns have always been used for this... whether they be birds' patterns in flight, coin tossing or cards.... that the tarot conveniently illustrates archetypes of human experience is a nice visual bonus.
Tarot is an altered version of the original deck for prophecy, which still exists today. People who love Tarot tend to re-quote each other in regard to history without checking any facts for themselves. Tarot is a beautiful deck, but please let's get the facts straight. See my video, Before Tarot - The Deck of Prophecy. Thank you for your kind exchange.
Sorry, I saw your video and frankly, why should be assume that playing cards were created for prophecy? You can find coincidental numbers in anything, it is another matter to show that they were intended as you assume.
The opinion of most historians is that playing cards came from Chinese money games, with suits of coins and stacks of coins that became the longs suits. Your assertions lack evidence.
The evidence is, that they were all just for games - everying else has been read into them!
@ANIideas I've discovered an interesting coincidence in the Monopoly game.There are 22 properties on the Monopoly gameboard on which houses and hotels may be placed. I've now connected Monopoly with the Hebrew alphabet and thus to Kabbalah. So why do we not have any esoteric applications of the Monopoly game?
An extraordinary discovery! You might be on to something. Could Go and Jail represent Heaven and Hell? Do you know how many different Community Chest cards there are? This might be worth exploring :D
Clearly the inheritors of that ancient wisdom have continued to disguise it in the form of games through to the 20th century at least.
We should remember to apply our numerology to to your discovery. 16 reduces by 1+6 to 7, a magical number and the number of Virtures and Vices, and 6-1 gives 5, the number of suits in the tarot pack.
@ANIideas how about 1+6 is 7 -6 +1 is 2 multiply by 8 is well fuck me im back at 16 come on coinsidence in numbers is not a paranormal event it and actually number ffs numerology is another nonsence way of bafulling the human mind did your mum drop lsd when she had you . get a life and ill stop commenting on here lol
I have a Minotarot deckits never been open still brand new deck in cello. I might consider selling it if the price is right. Or I will just lock it away for another 20+ years. .Designed and self-published by Eric Provoost, the deck was issued in France in 1982 in a limited edition of 2,000 copies. The artwork is black and white, with additional touches of brown in the Majors. The back of the deck is terra cotta with an image of a white 7-circuit labyrinth. The deck is signed and numbered.
Sadly, I can't afford the price you should get for them. The last pack that I saw on auction at eBay sold for about £300. That can vary up or down.
I have a couple of other Eric Provoost packs (one large size 52 card pack and one Jeu de Tarot - and neither for children!) but I have only seen this one in scans.
It might be worth holing back until the ecconomy improves so that potential bidders have more to spend.
So they can come here and say what they will and increase our videos numbers and I can come here and marvel that they have the time and inclination to try to rain on our triumphal parade. The tarot's Trumps is derived from triumph, a triumphal procession that is the Major Arcana. That parade has gone on for a long time and will go on long after we've passed on. Tarot is a game, tarot cards can be played, tarot cards can be read, I can read tarot cards as can many, many wonderful people. Peace.
Now to be fair, a lot of those posts are actually not saying that tarot is only for games but quite rightly discussing the representation of history with respect to evidence. No one is claiming a monopoly on truth - they are pointing out evidence and that's just not the same thing.
If you wish to comment on my video on the history, do feel free. I won't censor or block you and it is unfair of you to assume that I or others would. We may reply though, as you do here - that's how debate works.
Tarot game players are trying to educate the public about these games and when videos like this one with false information appear we should do what is needed to counteract it. It's wrong to spread lies about culture like this.
Still no response? Perhaps you aren't actually interested in debate at all. I'll try again anyway:
Do you still stand by your account of tarot's history and origins? If you do, how do you respond to the account offered by historians? What case do you make against their evidence?
Or, if your opinion has changed, will you annotate your video with corrections? If not, why not?
I have received many private messages asking me how I can stand receiving the incredibly boring "Tarot is for games" text comments on this video and why I haven't blocked them, as I'm sure they would block me if they had the chance. I really don't know why I haven't blocked them. I guess it's because I don''t believe that we have a monopoly on the truth and I know that they don't know me or my ability to read tarot cards and my psychic abilities. But I don't know them either, nor do I want to.
@monte4amy , I am in total agreement with you. It does sometimes get *old* to constantly hear that tarot is an Italian game and nothing more. Personally I am trying to look to see if there are any clues earlier than the so called 1470 deck that now tarot enthusiasts claim being the original deck. Personally knowing that paper is a bad medium for confirmation of origin. We can talk later, as I am working on a hypothesis of pilgrimage as well, and love someone with some good solid background.
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Yes! As presented here it is totally fake! But tarot wasn't meant to be this fakery. thay were made for games! It's more fun to play card games with tarot cards! Wikipedia has better information than this POS video
I have played tarot since the age of 14. I have several packs from the 19th century. I have read all that I could in this topic. I have learned the history of printing for 6 years on the university.
I also trust wikipedia more than these bussines - fortune telling sites :)
Perhaps you should do some changes in the english wiki entry. As I watched your videos, you may have many sources in english to defend what you change and the knowledge to do so. I mean it. :)
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According to scholarly consensus, playing cards originated from China in the 9th century CE and came to Europe through Islamic regions. The 22-card Tarot extension originated from Italy for the playing cards already used there for card games such as Tarocchi. The Tarot pack later spread throughout Europe and was known in France as "Tarot", since about the 15th century.
Occult and divinatory aspects of "Tarot" cards come from no earlier than the 18th century, and there is no historical evidence of Tarot card divination before the 18th century.
I play Tarot card games on many occasions, and I don't care at all for 'Tarot' card divinatory readings.
They were and they STILL ARE used for games especially in Europe. It is mainly the English speaking countries which only know them as fortune telling. I agree 100% that this video is delusional bullshit!
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You people are pathetic. Yeah we know Tarot was originally used in EUROPE to play cards, we know this. Everyone knows this. It's the origin of modern-day playing cards. This does not discredit the Tarot in anyway especially as how the Major Arcana was created specifically for divination. So all of you can take your unjustified skepticism and shove it up your asses.
No, tarot is NOT the origin of modern playing cards - they predate tarot in Europe by about 70 years.
NO, there is no evidence that the extra picture cards were created for divination - there is no evidence for them being used for such until the end of the 18th century.
Evidence suggests that they represent a triumph procession and were created as a suit of fixed trumps.
You might want to read some history books before attacking people's scepticism.
All you have to do to see if this works is to do a reading and then repeat it. You will see it is totally random . The JREF will pay anyone a million dollars if they can prove this actually works. Pieces of paper that predict your life? The meaning of the cards is very vague and you can fit it into all parts of your life or someones else's. Humans are so naive.
Genesimmons8 that means nothing. You are not supposed to do the same reading 20 times to see if it's random or not, you're supposed to do one reading, one True Reading, for each question. I think it adorable that little ol' you thinks he's figured out all the mysteries of this big grand universe we live in. Next time come back with a real argument before you make yourself sound like an asshole again.
There is no mystery here, only people that are fantasy prone. How come the scientific community regards this as pure entertainment, yet you in your wisdom think some paper cards with a picture tells humans their destiny? Sounds like the mind of a child. How come you can ask the same question over and over and get a different card everytime? It's because it's RANDOM! Who controls the outcome of the cards?......Zeus? Once again, all you have to do is prove that it works and once again,you can't.
Although people will argue about the Tarot just as people will argue about sports teams and musical groups, my opinion is that the Tarot cards are pictorial symbolic representations of common archetypes within human experience. The random choice of the cards still is used as tools to allow the extraction of subconscious thoughts to be thought about. So the same card can have many different symbolic things to offer. It's psychological (if you want to use that word) ... paintings, music, poetry
Yes the cards are vague (that's a good thing) and contain many symbolic meanings. So someone whose conscious mind is a bit open to their submerged thoughts can have those subconscious thoughts brought forth through symbolic images. It's not the cards having some innate power.
If I look at a painting full of symbolism I can 'find' the meaning in it for myself. It is a relationship and not a computer program of exact variables.
Tarot does work. I've been using them for years. Just one example I will give. I did a reading before a trip out of town and the something about delays kept coming up in the reading. When I got to the airport-my flight was delayed for hours. I was pissed-but prepared and being prepared put me in a better mood while waiting.
There are a myriad of examples I could give to show that tarot is a good prediction tool-but I wont waste anymore of my energy here.
Yea, maybe for you. This just proves to me that Your consciousness is limited. I've been using Tarot for over 14 yrs and I've avoided many set backs due to its predictive abilities. I am sorry it hasn't served the same purpose for you.
Realize your experiences or lack there of cannot dictate the experiences of another human sentient being.
I don't think folk have actually be saying arguing that divination doesn't work, they have just been arguing for a true account of the cards history and intended purpose.
If we imagine that fortune telling with tea leaves works, that does not tell us that their true origin and purpose is for divination. If fortune telling with tarot cards works, that tells us nothing about their origin, how they were intended to be used.
You seem to be missing out on something from our perspective also!
All this negativity regarding Tarot is unfortunate. I read Tarot cards. =) If you would like a Tarot reading, please message me and I'll get back to you. I have a website you can buy from or you can get a custom reading. I channel the Angels of Light. My prices are very cheap!!!
I don't think we are seeing negativity regarding tarot. Not at all. While I don't think that divination works, few of us are troubled by your practice of it.
What is happening is some positive correction of past errors regarding their history - errors that are being propagated by films like this one.
How can it be negative to show where they really come from or how we can use them for great entertainment?
i would say reading cards is a drugless medicine for fear, the only reason people like them is it gives them personal insight, reflecting back thier hopes dreams wishes, and fears. help one focus on your own intuition, we all already KNOW our own answers.
This video explains nothing. It is a commercial for a tarot deck and this bogus history is nothing but lies. People need to tell the truth about these cards. Tarot was really made for card games!
Interesting,isn't it, how we invent words and either believe or disbelieve what we have invented, e.g. 'god'. All words are mental constructs and therefore have a kind of psychic reality. What is amusing here is the useof the word 'paranormal' - a construct to convey the existence of a reality beyond the 'normal'- i.e. measureable. To paraphrase Icke -"if you only believe what you can see you're fucked."
Of course we should not believe only what we personally see but that should not be understood as a license to believe whatever we wish. We can accept some authorities, as well as make inferences about what we do not see from what we do, and we may also reason truths a priori as the mathematician or ethicist. What we believe should have been tested or be well founded but if it is neither, then we should be suspect, and if it cannot be tested then we cannot know it from fantasy.
Also I found this video very interesting. However I think it left out the part about it being a kind of mixed up word, that instead of it meaning Tarot.. the word is in fact ROTA. Like a table of things you are supposed to do.. I think its linked to rotation of the Merkabah.
It also doesn't make clear that the French name tarot, like the Austrian/German name Tarock, is simply truncated from the earlier Italian name Tarocchi. Perhaps the best suggested origin for that name is the vernacular Tarochus, meaning To Play the Fool - a card that has a special role in the games.
I've been reading some of these comments and I have to say, that thing about James Randi comes up a lot but here's the thing, if you had proof of something it would no longer be considered paranormal but scientific and so the Amazing Randi would be right. The whole point of something being paranormal is you can't scientifically prove it otherwise it becomes scientificl.
No, Randi isn't looking for someone to do anything that can have a naturalistic explanation - he wants someone to demonstrate that there really is something they can do that CANNOT be explained naturalistically. Not the same thing.
The thing is, that everything that exists has a scientific reason and explanation, a physical reason for a physical occurrance, there is no... occurrance that can happen without a physical reason.
I would tend to agree - which would be why I don't believe in the Paranormal. Regarding everything that exists - I'm still not sure about the existence of Abstract Objects which would not be subject to science but only philosophy.
I believe - not in the paranormal as such but the abilities of people. If its possible to see into the future, or do fantastic things, then it also has a reason and that reason lies within our hearts and minds, we just don't know it exists or what we are really capable of doing.
before einstein, people thought that the past is gone nd the future is yet undetermined, but in modern physics, there's only spacetime no longer just time, past&future r essentially the same and since our consciousness can read the past, we call it memory there's nothing strange about the subconscious being able to read the future. Little animals often show anxiety before volcanic eruption and we've premonition. Tarot cards r merely psychological method not magic that tell our subsciousness
I agree that all of time exists. The present is an arbitrary moment and we experience a passage of time because of the causation that gives us memory of the past but not the future. It would be very strange indeed if the subconscious could read the future because that would be reverse causation, the future causing the past, which involves some logical problems, not least of which, is parodox.
in modern physics, there's no such a thing as causation, there're only events in a spacetime continuum, past&future r all merely sets of events relative to the present. The perception of time flow is not the reality but only psychological, and thus if it's strange to read the future, then its equally strange to read the past, yet we do this everyday
I certainly accept that the passage of time is a product of memory. As for the reality of causation, that is contentious - there are different schools of thought on that. From a philosophical perspective I would say that it is necessary to suppose it. Regardless of this, knowledge of the future requires that we believe in necessary events and results in paradox. The objection to future knowledge is not from physics at all - but from logic.
an analogy: in a certain movie, the actor dreamt of a certain future of being killed by a truck, wakes up and tried all methods to prevent it, yet isn't it entirely logically possible that at the end of the movie, as scripted and determined, that he die exactly in the way he had dreamt, if it is perfectly possible to conceive of such a movie script, in what sense can this be logically impossible? The belief that one can control his future is purely illusionary, just as the actor believed it
This specific example requires that events be necessary rather than contingent. I do plan on presenting this in a future film (probably in a couple of months) but cannot begin to in 500 character bites. I would suggest D H Mellor's The Facts of Causation as a good introduction.
An easier problem: imagine Einstein dreams of his theory, or that Leonardo dreams of the Mona Lisa, then they create those works - it would be something (knowledge or creativity) from nothing! That's paradox.
as a complete sceptic I was for a long dismissive of the Tarot as a retard's toy. However, as I became interested in Jungian psychology and his pupil, Karcher's, scholarly work on the I Ching I gave a a whirl and to my utter amazement found it to be the most amazing tool for self discovery. There is much, much more to it than could be supposed from a cursory inspection. Study it carefully and you too will be amazed. I kid you not.
The issue here is not whether Tarot cards are valueable for self discovery. I don't think it is bad to do this, although the cards were originally intended for game playing. The problem is people promoting Tarot as a divinatory art feel the need to falsify and distort this cultural artifact. As a result, a lot of collateral damage is done to our culture.
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First of all let us give credit to the author for his visually attention getting video on the subject of the tarot. Lots of photographic work went into making it, obviously. Secondly, to all the 4th graders out their ,your homework assignment is to make a video comparable to this one expressing your own opinion about this subject. The author has shown us the history of the tarot as it is today. There is no right or wrong about this subject. Use it anyway you please as we do with most things.
Oh, he has visual talent. Unfortunately the video isn't factual. It is filled with outright lies. It doesn't tell people everything you need to know about tarot.
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It's truly too bad that some feel their opinion (and only theirs) is the only answer or approach to any "truth" -- On this subject however, there is a very great deal of true knowledge and historical wisdom in this video. NO ONE has absolute proof of the origin of the tarot - however: 1) There ARE no absolutes, 2) truth, like everything in the universe changes, and 3) we don't even know the absolute truth about our OWN origins... the sands of time are deep and vast. Much is now obscure.
When dealing with history, not all "truths" are equally valid. Some truths have more evidence behind them than others. The "truth" that the Earth is flat is not equal to to "truth" that it is round. The origins of Tarot are not as obscure as some would have us believe.
1)Do you mean there are absolutely no absolutes or just sometimes? 2) Is it always true that truth changes or just sometimes? 3) No - but we have a really good theory from Darwin.
No one claims absolute proof for tarot's origins but not all theories are equally supported, if at all, by the evidence. NOT all theories are equal. To believe a theory that is contradicted by the evidence is just irrational and to promote it is misleading.
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Really well done! For anyone researching the Tarot in little more than 7 minutes this video will save you hours of research and reading! Thank you for putting this video up for people to see.
I disagree. I am a tarot researcher and I find this video ridiculous! Its pure speculation not supported by any evidence. Why can't psychics tell the truth about these cards? Why do psychics have to promote false histories about them? For the best tarot history video on YT see Lost History-Tarot Cards.
You would like it. You don't want people to know the real truth about tarot cards. You flag videos on bogus copy right claims to censor information. You do not allow comments or even ratings on any of your videos. Your videos are on the AIDS list! Your videos are infected with AIDS! To see the Tarot AIDS list search "tarot history" on youtube and there is the list.
psychickathleen is acting like a Scientologist and a Creationist who goes around YouTube flagging videos for purposes of censorship. What she doing is wrong.
We stand by our video. The truth of the origins of tarot are not known, no matter how much one would like to think otherwise. Certainty is the enemy of science. Are you telling me that Newton and Liebnitz "invented" calculus? Who built the great pyramid? Who built all the monumental stone structures around the world without calculus? There have been over a dozen "accepted" scientific understandings of the atom. As Huxley said, "I'm too much a skeptic not to believe anything is possible."
There is no 100% certainty to the study of history - no one will dispute that. However, some theories are better supported by the evidence than others and this video does not take that into account. Some of the theories given equal weight are undeniably contrary to the evidence available, making belief in them unreasonable. For example, you make no mention that the 'words', 'tar' and 'ro', suggested by de Gebelin as an origin for the name, do not exist in the Ancient Egyptian lexicon at all!
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Beautifully put together. The producer keeps the sense of mystery which is after all an aspect of mind, with music and carefully modulated speech. Honest, sincere and obvious respect for the topic focuses historical obscurity into good information and common sense as the script narrows the Tarot into the light of the technical world's interaction with the mind of man. In all, I think it sets a tone that extends interest.
I realize that you're stating your sincerely held opinion but we have a problem, i.e., so are we. As a professional psychic I realize that, like lawyers, there are a lot of psychics out there working full time to give my profession a bad reputation. However, my experience has proven to me that my decades of doing readings using astrology and tarot has increased my intuition, intuition we all have, to the point where I can make accurate predictions. I write to you out of respect for skepticism.
Psychic tarot reading is nothing but cold reading. However, I was also addressing the bogus history in the video. tarot4games and philebus1972 are right in their criticisms. As history, this video is pure nonsense. It is a commerical for your tarot deck and nothing more.
eameece wrote the truth about it. Tarot was rarely surpressed and used for games until 1781
Speculation like this is not necessary since more recent scholarship confirms its Renaissance Italian origin, created by artists steeped in hermetic and Platonic philosophy, which itself goes back to ancient origins. It was rarely supressed, and used mainly for games until 1781. Good video though!
This video was made with the best information available at the time. We do not dispute the fact that tarot cards were and are used for games. We present this video as a thought-provoking look at a subject we hold dear. We are saddened by the juvenile rantings that litter the comments section of our little movie. Bright lights attract moths.
This was not made with the best information available at the time. Michael Dummett's The Game of Tarot was published nearly 30 years ago and it's findings have long been available via the internet. The problem is that your presentation of the cards history and the state of our knowledge about it is misleading. You give equal weight to all theories and suggest that it is without controversy that they come from the East!!?! (regular playing cards perhaps - but not tarot). As for gypsies - ho dear.
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Yes - Read "The Secret In The Bible" by Tony Bushby. It is said a crystal reproduction of the Capstone, and a beam of light into the top of that Capstone, will create or produce 'Lamed' or a Serpent of Light dancing on it's tail (Lamed Rotating). When the shadows are cast from this rotating 'Serpent' dancing on it's tail, the 22 Glyphs are the "letter's of light" or the 'BASIS' of the now derived 'Hebrew' alphabet. Taro 't' ROTA Rotation, EVOLVE, EVOLUTION, TORAh, all derived from this script.
Sorry, tarot cards did not evolve into modern playing cards. Playing cards pre-date tarot in Europe by about 100 years, tarot was created by adding the trumps. We tend to think of them as intended for games because that is what they were used for and there is no evidence to suggest they were intended for anything else. All of the images are of a Medieval/Renaissance Christian tradition, with, again, no evidence to the contrary.
Some information. Anyone that practices the occult in those days would be killed for Heresy and devil worship. So even if the Tarot was made readings it would have Sold for a card game to hide the real reason they were made.
I agree with kutekerri. And,they are not made only for games, although one cannot ignore this side of them. 'Kind of a symbols' book. Thanks for uploading this wonderful vid.
I agree with the history part, however it isn't ONLY for card games. Just as dice, or a coin can become a tool of connection based on ones personal belief so to can the Tarot. You believe one thing, others belief different, neither is wrong. It's important to keep the belief about a thing separate from what can based in historical fact.
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lol people saying tarot was a card game. in what era? today ? they are cursed, the craft, masonary
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beautyhistorymagic 4 months ago
13 times 4 52 cards of the deck...the houses..fu
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the truth is that tarot is much too spiritually potent to be of a trivial origin. but i guess it had to enter the physical world somehow. however people use or have used tarot cards, the tarot system has never been a game. this is because tarot is not the cards you see but the spiritual movement which has been before time.
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They turn to weak people and definitely those that feel vulnerable.
It´s sad that they cant be prosecuted in a proper way...
S . C . A . M !
faovsen 9 months ago
Play card games with tarot. Thats what they were made for! Google "jeu de tarot"
McTarotBrigade 10 months ago
I am going to leave a Comment here. I think That monte and amy are really good at what they do. I love their tarot cards I own a few of them. I love the enchanted tarot and I have the original Karma cards so cool. I have been doing tarot readings for 16 years and have been a witch for 17 years now. I say keep up the good work The both of you are very knowledgeable. Thank you for all of the beautiful cards and the wisdom you both bring.
BeautifulWitchGoddes 10 months ago
I am going to leave a Comment here. I think That monte and amy are really good at what they do. I love their tarot cards I own a few of them. I love the enchanted tarot and I have the original Karma cards so cool. I have been doing tarot readings for 16 years and have been a witch for 17 years now. I say keep up the good work!
BeautifulWitchGoddes 10 months ago
The Subconsience is not realy your friend children.I dont need to exsplain why, The rest is up to the real you.
philos4r 11 months ago
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Tarot is not now nor has ever been a game.
saintben2008 1 year ago
@saintben2008 You are very ill informed. Do more research. Tarot began as a game and in some countries like France tarot cards are still used in games. Tarot is not only used in tarot reading.
Tarockspieler 1 year ago 6
@11JDHogg I am not chimo9. If you believe in curses and the fictions in this stupid video then you are the one who's ignorant. Tarot was made for card games, not for divination.
PsychicsRFrauds 1 year ago 4
See the real truth about tarot cards! See "The Tarot Skeptic" videos here on youtube!
PsychicsRFrauds 1 year ago 6
TAROT WAS MADE FOR CARD GAMES, NOT FOR DIVINATION
THIS VIDEO CONTAINS FAR TOO MANY LIES AND FALSE INFORMACION
ICICLE FALLS WILL CONTINUE
EL TAROT FUE HECHO PARA JUEGOS DE CARTAS, NO PARA ADIVINACIÓN
ESTE VÍDEO CONTIENE TAN DEMASIADAS MENTIRAS Y FALSA INFORMACIÓN
LAS CAÍDAS DE CARÁMBANOS CONTINUARÁN
Chirno9Icefall 1 year ago 3
ITS ALL COW DUNG BELIEVING IN PARANORMAL ACTIVITY AND ITS EXISTENCE IS THE MOST WIERDEST CONSEPT OF THE HUMAN MIND
arcticwolfxno1x 1 year ago
@arcticwolfxno1x I just laughed so strongly at that!
Chirno9Icefall 1 year ago
and seriously you go to university and you think all the books ever qwritten are true my god you truly dont think for yourself do you ANIideas lmfao
arcticwolfxno1x 1 year ago
@arcticwolfxno1x What a fatuous thing to say.
ANIideas 1 year ago
and as for your video what i pile of cow dung . serious you believe these cards to be of a paranormal influance like the paper and ink can tell you your future fuck me ill be glad when poeple actually start to grow up lol there is no god just evolution if anything we will be the gods of the universe , and science will allow us to do it not some paranormal bollocks . please someone talk some sence into these people
arcticwolfxno1x 1 year ago
@arcticwolfxno1x
You need to go back to school and learn about punctuation. You are assumming that you know everything but you don't. There are reasons for everything. Don't think that just because you can't experience it, it doesn't exit. Now shut the fuck up. Wanker.
11JDHogg 1 year ago
“...you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire [an ancient occult practice], or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination [detestable] to the LORD…”
-Deuteronomy 18:9-12a
JezusSlave 1 year ago
tarot was made for card games not for divination
PsychicsRFrauds 1 year ago
@PsychicsRFrauds TRUE TRUE TRUE TRUE TRUE TRUE
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PsychicsRFrauds 1 year ago
lol i love it more moronic sheep following the trionfi card haha serious people you need to get a life and stop playing games lol , first tarot cards trionfi cards commisioned in 1427 by Filippo Maria Viscont where a game card and on which they where for the greeks who he put the 12 greek olyimpian gods on them m 12 significant number is 12 zodiac signs 12 desciples following the sun of god or it is god as it is the giver of life , dog headed egyptians dog backwards is god mmm funny that ...
arcticwolfxno1x 1 year ago
@arcticwolfxno1x Nope. I think you need to read some real history books before you try preaching to us. To begin, the forerunner to the tarocchi pack had 16 trumps featuring the Greek pantheon, not 12. You just go downhill from there.
As for my stopping playing the games - er, no. They really are too much fun.
ANIideas 1 year ago
@ANIideas Oh yes ^.^
We shall continue to play the Tarot/Tarock card games, for they are not only fun -- also they involve card counting skills! w(^.^)ww
Monte and Amy's video fails on so many levels that I can not resist posting 'ICICLE FALL' here!
Chirno9Icefall 1 year ago
@ANIideas This article is about a set of cards used for both trick taking games and occult/divinatory purposes. For other uses, see Tarot (disambiguation).
Visconti-Sforza tarot deck – The Devil card is a 20th Century remake of the card supposed to be missing from the original 15th Century Deck.
Visconti-Sforza tarot deck – The Devil card is a 20th Century remake of the card supposed to be missing from the original 15th Century Deck.
arcticwolfxno1x 1 year ago
@arcticwolfxno1x I believe you are quoting the wikipedia article. In this case wikipedia is preferable to the outright lies in this video. "Cow dung" is a good word to describe it. Re. ANIideas, Have you seen his 7 part series called "the Tarot Skeptic?" I would recommend it.
SkeptiGamer 1 year ago 2
Respond to this video...
The tarot is a set of cards featuring twenty one trump cards, the fool, and an extra face card per suit, in addition to the usual suit (face and pip) cards found in ordinary playing cards. Tarot cards are used throughout much of Europe to play Tarot card games[1]. In English-speaking countries, where the games are largely unknown,
arcticwolfxno1x 1 year ago
Respond to this video... Tarot cards are utilized primarily for divinatory purposes[1][2] with the trump cards plus the Fool card comprising the twenty two major arcana cards and the pip and four face cards the fifty six minor arcana
arcticwolfxno1x 1 year ago
Monte4Amy should correct their nonsense SOON.
Baka!!!
Chirno9Icefall 1 year ago
Baka! Baka!
Baka! BAKA!!!~~
What an idiot! Tarot was made for card games not for divination!
There is ZERO evidence that Tarot was banned by the Church outside Spain.
This video is pure speculation mixed with outright falsehoods!
This video is failure piled on failure piled on failure!!!
I am awaiting these lies to be corrected! ~~ Ciera C. The Great Tarotist of Card Games NOT Divination.
Chirno9Icefall 1 year ago
Truth will stand regardless of how much the lies in this video are believed!
See tokarski21's video about the Tarot for TRUTH.
See ANIideas video about the Tarot for TRUTH.
Monte's video is a pack of FALSEHOODS.
Understood???
Chirno9Icefall 1 year ago
No one is making comments on this video! I suppose I could just drop more icicles as the view count goes on...
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Chirno9Icefall 1 year ago
I just noticed... that this video has the 'Entretainment' category! How nice is that?? =^w^=
Chirno9Icefall 1 year ago
watch?v=d44rxBH4W0Q
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The true history of the Tarot
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La historia verdadera del Tarot
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~~Ciera ✧ Tarotista de los juegos de cartas ✧ -No- hay adivinación en mis servicios, sólo los juegos de cartas
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Chirno9Icefall 1 year ago
As a card game player I object to all the misinformation that this video presents, and in the name of the Fairy of Truth, I rebuke all the nonsense of this video! ~~BAKA~~
⑨Chirno⑨
~~Ciera con la hada de hielo y verdad, jugadora de Tarot
P.S. Tarot was made for card games, not for divination! Monte.. I don't care if it's boring.. you ought to correct the errors of this video or else we will continue to 'disparage' your work for it is based on poor research and outright lies!
Chirno9Icefall 1 year ago 2
This video is full of mere speculation mixed with outright lies... almost no facts presented. Great video for Failblog, totally!
The ideas that the Tarot originated from Egypt, India, China, Israel or whatever other than Italy have been disproved by modern escholarship, and I wonder when Monte and Amy will wake up to the fact that the Tarot is an Italian invention of the century XV specifically for card games with no intention of divination!
Chirno9Icefall 1 year ago 2
It is highly recommended to click on the football/soccer icon while viewing this clip. It's an improvement really.
TrionfiTarot 1 year ago
@TrionfiTarot Ahaha~~ It's noise, and blocks out the speech of lies, great improvement indeed~^_^~
Rissalita 1 year ago
tarot szatańskie narzędzie
Fan1230 1 year ago
cards were probably not meant for divination any more than tea leaves were... but randomly shuffling a deck of cards is indeed a convenient filter through which to reach the unconscious mind. Random patterns have always been used for this... whether they be birds' patterns in flight, coin tossing or cards.... that the tarot conveniently illustrates archetypes of human experience is a nice visual bonus.
virtualtarotschool 1 year ago
Tarot is an altered version of the original deck for prophecy, which still exists today. People who love Tarot tend to re-quote each other in regard to history without checking any facts for themselves. Tarot is a beautiful deck, but please let's get the facts straight. See my video, Before Tarot - The Deck of Prophecy. Thank you for your kind exchange.
52CardMagic 1 year ago
Sorry, I saw your video and frankly, why should be assume that playing cards were created for prophecy? You can find coincidental numbers in anything, it is another matter to show that they were intended as you assume.
The opinion of most historians is that playing cards came from Chinese money games, with suits of coins and stacks of coins that became the longs suits. Your assertions lack evidence.
The evidence is, that they were all just for games - everying else has been read into them!
ANIideas 1 year ago 3
@ANIideas I've discovered an interesting coincidence in the Monopoly game.There are 22 properties on the Monopoly gameboard on which houses and hotels may be placed. I've now connected Monopoly with the Hebrew alphabet and thus to Kabbalah. So why do we not have any esoteric applications of the Monopoly game?
Oudler 1 year ago 2
An extraordinary discovery! You might be on to something. Could Go and Jail represent Heaven and Hell? Do you know how many different Community Chest cards there are? This might be worth exploring :D
ANIideas 1 year ago 3
@ANIideas There are 16 each of Chance and Community Chest cards which is the same number of court cards in the Tarot!
Oudler 1 year ago
Clearly the inheritors of that ancient wisdom have continued to disguise it in the form of games through to the 20th century at least.
We should remember to apply our numerology to to your discovery. 16 reduces by 1+6 to 7, a magical number and the number of Virtures and Vices, and 6-1 gives 5, the number of suits in the tarot pack.
ANIideas 1 year ago 4
@ANIideas how about 1+6 is 7 -6 +1 is 2 multiply by 8 is well fuck me im back at 16 come on coinsidence in numbers is not a paranormal event it and actually number ffs numerology is another nonsence way of bafulling the human mind did your mum drop lsd when she had you . get a life and ill stop commenting on here lol
arcticwolfxno1x 1 year ago
@arcticwolfxno1x I guess our sarcasm was wasted on you. Perhaps you should try reading comments in the context in which they are made.
ANIideas 1 year ago
I have a Minotarot deckits never been open still brand new deck in cello. I might consider selling it if the price is right. Or I will just lock it away for another 20+ years. .Designed and self-published by Eric Provoost, the deck was issued in France in 1982 in a limited edition of 2,000 copies. The artwork is black and white, with additional touches of brown in the Majors. The back of the deck is terra cotta with an image of a white 7-circuit labyrinth. The deck is signed and numbered.
Nesnatae 1 year ago
Oh, I'm green with envy!
Sadly, I can't afford the price you should get for them. The last pack that I saw on auction at eBay sold for about £300. That can vary up or down.
I have a couple of other Eric Provoost packs (one large size 52 card pack and one Jeu de Tarot - and neither for children!) but I have only seen this one in scans.
It might be worth holing back until the ecconomy improves so that potential bidders have more to spend.
ANIideas 1 year ago
Interesting video! Thanks for sharing this!
PsychicLoveSpells 1 year ago
So they can come here and say what they will and increase our videos numbers and I can come here and marvel that they have the time and inclination to try to rain on our triumphal parade. The tarot's Trumps is derived from triumph, a triumphal procession that is the Major Arcana. That parade has gone on for a long time and will go on long after we've passed on. Tarot is a game, tarot cards can be played, tarot cards can be read, I can read tarot cards as can many, many wonderful people. Peace.
monte4amy 2 years ago
Now to be fair, a lot of those posts are actually not saying that tarot is only for games but quite rightly discussing the representation of history with respect to evidence. No one is claiming a monopoly on truth - they are pointing out evidence and that's just not the same thing.
If you wish to comment on my video on the history, do feel free. I won't censor or block you and it is unfair of you to assume that I or others would. We may reply though, as you do here - that's how debate works.
ANIideas 2 years ago 54
Tarot game players are trying to educate the public about these games and when videos like this one with false information appear we should do what is needed to counteract it. It's wrong to spread lies about culture like this.
GAMEOFTAROT 2 years ago 18
Still no response? Perhaps you aren't actually interested in debate at all. I'll try again anyway:
Do you still stand by your account of tarot's history and origins? If you do, how do you respond to the account offered by historians? What case do you make against their evidence?
Or, if your opinion has changed, will you annotate your video with corrections? If not, why not?
ANIideas 2 years ago 5
I have received many private messages asking me how I can stand receiving the incredibly boring "Tarot is for games" text comments on this video and why I haven't blocked them, as I'm sure they would block me if they had the chance. I really don't know why I haven't blocked them. I guess it's because I don''t believe that we have a monopoly on the truth and I know that they don't know me or my ability to read tarot cards and my psychic abilities. But I don't know them either, nor do I want to.
monte4amy 2 years ago
@monte4amy , I am in total agreement with you. It does sometimes get *old* to constantly hear that tarot is an Italian game and nothing more. Personally I am trying to look to see if there are any clues earlier than the so called 1470 deck that now tarot enthusiasts claim being the original deck. Personally knowing that paper is a bad medium for confirmation of origin. We can talk later, as I am working on a hypothesis of pilgrimage as well, and love someone with some good solid background.
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TruthSmack 2 years ago
tarot is for card games, people! XD
tarot4games 2 years ago 6
sorry to disapoint....but tarot is 100% fake
MervynVogt 2 years ago
Yes! As presented here it is totally fake! But tarot wasn't meant to be this fakery. thay were made for games! It's more fun to play card games with tarot cards! Wikipedia has better information than this POS video
DonaldRanRanRu 2 years ago 4
bullshit, sorry.
look up wikipedia
zagyex 2 years ago 10
you trust wikipedia? c'om
francoferret 2 years ago
I have played tarot since the age of 14. I have several packs from the 19th century. I have read all that I could in this topic. I have learned the history of printing for 6 years on the university.
I also trust wikipedia more than these bussines - fortune telling sites :)
zagyex 2 years ago 16
The Wiki entry is not perfect by any means but it is whole lot better than this pack of fibs and misrepresentation of facts.
ANIideas 2 years ago 12
Perhaps you should do some changes in the english wiki entry. As I watched your videos, you may have many sources in english to defend what you change and the knowledge to do so. I mean it. :)
zagyex 2 years ago 4
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monte4amy 2 years ago
Ronald doesn't approve :(
PsychicsRFrauds 2 years ago 2
Tarot was made for CARD GAMES not divination.
According to scholarly consensus, playing cards originated from China in the 9th century CE and came to Europe through Islamic regions. The 22-card Tarot extension originated from Italy for the playing cards already used there for card games such as Tarocchi. The Tarot pack later spread throughout Europe and was known in France as "Tarot", since about the 15th century.
CirnoPreacher94040 2 years ago 7
Occult and divinatory aspects of "Tarot" cards come from no earlier than the 18th century, and there is no historical evidence of Tarot card divination before the 18th century.
I play Tarot card games on many occasions, and I don't care at all for 'Tarot' card divinatory readings.
CirnoPreacher94040 2 years ago 5
Every tarot reading I've received has been accurate. I have mine done by a close friend whom is skilled in it.
I plan to purchase my own deck and start reading up on how to interpret them.
BookCollector100 2 years ago 2
tarot cards were used for games.
its the old form of playing cards back in the medieval times.
now they turned it into fortune telling.
dont believe this video, its a lot of delusional bullshit.
lloydbaltazar 2 years ago 12
They were and they STILL ARE used for games especially in Europe. It is mainly the English speaking countries which only know them as fortune telling. I agree 100% that this video is delusional bullshit!
Oudler 2 years ago 5
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You people are pathetic. Yeah we know Tarot was originally used in EUROPE to play cards, we know this. Everyone knows this. It's the origin of modern-day playing cards. This does not discredit the Tarot in anyway especially as how the Major Arcana was created specifically for divination. So all of you can take your unjustified skepticism and shove it up your asses.
xPythox 2 years ago
No, tarot is NOT the origin of modern playing cards - they predate tarot in Europe by about 70 years.
NO, there is no evidence that the extra picture cards were created for divination - there is no evidence for them being used for such until the end of the 18th century.
Evidence suggests that they represent a triumph procession and were created as a suit of fixed trumps.
You might want to read some history books before attacking people's scepticism.
ANIideas 2 years ago 15
The divinity angle is recent as there is no documentary evidence of such meanings before the eighteenth century.
Genesimmons8 2 years ago 31
@Genesimmons8 So true!!! Tarot was made for card games, not for divination!
Chirno9Icefall 1 year ago 2
All you have to do to see if this works is to do a reading and then repeat it. You will see it is totally random . The JREF will pay anyone a million dollars if they can prove this actually works. Pieces of paper that predict your life? The meaning of the cards is very vague and you can fit it into all parts of your life or someones else's. Humans are so naive.
Genesimmons8 2 years ago 8
Genesimmons8 that means nothing. You are not supposed to do the same reading 20 times to see if it's random or not, you're supposed to do one reading, one True Reading, for each question. I think it adorable that little ol' you thinks he's figured out all the mysteries of this big grand universe we live in. Next time come back with a real argument before you make yourself sound like an asshole again.
xPythox 2 years ago
There is no mystery here, only people that are fantasy prone. How come the scientific community regards this as pure entertainment, yet you in your wisdom think some paper cards with a picture tells humans their destiny? Sounds like the mind of a child. How come you can ask the same question over and over and get a different card everytime? It's because it's RANDOM! Who controls the outcome of the cards?......Zeus? Once again, all you have to do is prove that it works and once again,you can't.
Genesimmons8 2 years ago 3
Although people will argue about the Tarot just as people will argue about sports teams and musical groups, my opinion is that the Tarot cards are pictorial symbolic representations of common archetypes within human experience. The random choice of the cards still is used as tools to allow the extraction of subconscious thoughts to be thought about. So the same card can have many different symbolic things to offer. It's psychological (if you want to use that word) ... paintings, music, poetry
zetetic0void 2 years ago
Yes the cards are vague (that's a good thing) and contain many symbolic meanings. So someone whose conscious mind is a bit open to their submerged thoughts can have those subconscious thoughts brought forth through symbolic images. It's not the cards having some innate power.
If I look at a painting full of symbolism I can 'find' the meaning in it for myself. It is a relationship and not a computer program of exact variables.
zetetic0void 2 years ago 2
tarot is for card games, people!
tarot4games 2 years ago 15
Tarot does work. I've been using them for years. Just one example I will give. I did a reading before a trip out of town and the something about delays kept coming up in the reading. When I got to the airport-my flight was delayed for hours. I was pissed-but prepared and being prepared put me in a better mood while waiting.
There are a myriad of examples I could give to show that tarot is a good prediction tool-but I wont waste anymore of my energy here.
napturaltwist211 2 years ago 5
Tarot works quite well as a trick taking card game, the purpose for which it was actually intended.
Oudler 2 years ago 13
Yea, maybe for you. This just proves to me that Your consciousness is limited. I've been using Tarot for over 14 yrs and I've avoided many set backs due to its predictive abilities. I am sorry it hasn't served the same purpose for you.
Realize your experiences or lack there of cannot dictate the experiences of another human sentient being.
Peace.
napturaltwist211 2 years ago
I don't think folk have actually be saying arguing that divination doesn't work, they have just been arguing for a true account of the cards history and intended purpose.
If we imagine that fortune telling with tea leaves works, that does not tell us that their true origin and purpose is for divination. If fortune telling with tarot cards works, that tells us nothing about their origin, how they were intended to be used.
You seem to be missing out on something from our perspective also!
ANIideas 2 years ago 10
All this negativity regarding Tarot is unfortunate. I read Tarot cards. =) If you would like a Tarot reading, please message me and I'll get back to you. I have a website you can buy from or you can get a custom reading. I channel the Angels of Light. My prices are very cheap!!!
Peace, Agratos
missbatman 2 years ago
I don't think we are seeing negativity regarding tarot. Not at all. While I don't think that divination works, few of us are troubled by your practice of it.
What is happening is some positive correction of past errors regarding their history - errors that are being propagated by films like this one.
How can it be negative to show where they really come from or how we can use them for great entertainment?
ANIideas 2 years ago 7
LOVELY EXPLANATION THANK YOU X
i would say reading cards is a drugless medicine for fear, the only reason people like them is it gives them personal insight, reflecting back thier hopes dreams wishes, and fears. help one focus on your own intuition, we all already KNOW our own answers.
anniemoonmaid 2 years ago
This video explains nothing. It is a commercial for a tarot deck and this bogus history is nothing but lies. People need to tell the truth about these cards. Tarot was really made for card games!
tarotdotcomsucks 2 years ago 9
Interesting,isn't it, how we invent words and either believe or disbelieve what we have invented, e.g. 'god'. All words are mental constructs and therefore have a kind of psychic reality. What is amusing here is the useof the word 'paranormal' - a construct to convey the existence of a reality beyond the 'normal'- i.e. measureable. To paraphrase Icke -"if you only believe what you can see you're fucked."
zthetha 2 years ago
Of course we should not believe only what we personally see but that should not be understood as a license to believe whatever we wish. We can accept some authorities, as well as make inferences about what we do not see from what we do, and we may also reason truths a priori as the mathematician or ethicist. What we believe should have been tested or be well founded but if it is neither, then we should be suspect, and if it cannot be tested then we cannot know it from fantasy.
ANIideas 2 years ago
Also I found this video very interesting. However I think it left out the part about it being a kind of mixed up word, that instead of it meaning Tarot.. the word is in fact ROTA. Like a table of things you are supposed to do.. I think its linked to rotation of the Merkabah.
Pentaclesandmiracles 2 years ago
It also doesn't make clear that the French name tarot, like the Austrian/German name Tarock, is simply truncated from the earlier Italian name Tarocchi. Perhaps the best suggested origin for that name is the vernacular Tarochus, meaning To Play the Fool - a card that has a special role in the games.
ANIideas 2 years ago 3
I've been reading some of these comments and I have to say, that thing about James Randi comes up a lot but here's the thing, if you had proof of something it would no longer be considered paranormal but scientific and so the Amazing Randi would be right. The whole point of something being paranormal is you can't scientifically prove it otherwise it becomes scientificl.
Pentaclesandmiracles 2 years ago
No, Randi isn't looking for someone to do anything that can have a naturalistic explanation - he wants someone to demonstrate that there really is something they can do that CANNOT be explained naturalistically. Not the same thing.
ANIideas 2 years ago
Although, I should add that Randi isn't just looking for Paranormal claims for the money - a perpetual motion machine would win it.
ANIideas 2 years ago
The thing is, that everything that exists has a scientific reason and explanation, a physical reason for a physical occurrance, there is no... occurrance that can happen without a physical reason.
Pentaclesandmiracles 2 years ago
I would tend to agree - which would be why I don't believe in the Paranormal. Regarding everything that exists - I'm still not sure about the existence of Abstract Objects which would not be subject to science but only philosophy.
ANIideas 2 years ago
I believe - not in the paranormal as such but the abilities of people. If its possible to see into the future, or do fantastic things, then it also has a reason and that reason lies within our hearts and minds, we just don't know it exists or what we are really capable of doing.
Pentaclesandmiracles 2 years ago
before einstein, people thought that the past is gone nd the future is yet undetermined, but in modern physics, there's only spacetime no longer just time, past&future r essentially the same and since our consciousness can read the past, we call it memory there's nothing strange about the subconscious being able to read the future. Little animals often show anxiety before volcanic eruption and we've premonition. Tarot cards r merely psychological method not magic that tell our subsciousness
thegreatestchallenge 2 years ago
I agree that all of time exists. The present is an arbitrary moment and we experience a passage of time because of the causation that gives us memory of the past but not the future. It would be very strange indeed if the subconscious could read the future because that would be reverse causation, the future causing the past, which involves some logical problems, not least of which, is parodox.
ANIideas 2 years ago
in modern physics, there's no such a thing as causation, there're only events in a spacetime continuum, past&future r all merely sets of events relative to the present. The perception of time flow is not the reality but only psychological, and thus if it's strange to read the future, then its equally strange to read the past, yet we do this everyday
thegreatestchallenge 2 years ago
I certainly accept that the passage of time is a product of memory. As for the reality of causation, that is contentious - there are different schools of thought on that. From a philosophical perspective I would say that it is necessary to suppose it. Regardless of this, knowledge of the future requires that we believe in necessary events and results in paradox. The objection to future knowledge is not from physics at all - but from logic.
ANIideas 2 years ago
an analogy: in a certain movie, the actor dreamt of a certain future of being killed by a truck, wakes up and tried all methods to prevent it, yet isn't it entirely logically possible that at the end of the movie, as scripted and determined, that he die exactly in the way he had dreamt, if it is perfectly possible to conceive of such a movie script, in what sense can this be logically impossible? The belief that one can control his future is purely illusionary, just as the actor believed it
thegreatestchallenge 2 years ago
This specific example requires that events be necessary rather than contingent. I do plan on presenting this in a future film (probably in a couple of months) but cannot begin to in 500 character bites. I would suggest D H Mellor's The Facts of Causation as a good introduction.
An easier problem: imagine Einstein dreams of his theory, or that Leonardo dreams of the Mona Lisa, then they create those works - it would be something (knowledge or creativity) from nothing! That's paradox.
ANIideas 2 years ago
as a complete sceptic I was for a long dismissive of the Tarot as a retard's toy. However, as I became interested in Jungian psychology and his pupil, Karcher's, scholarly work on the I Ching I gave a a whirl and to my utter amazement found it to be the most amazing tool for self discovery. There is much, much more to it than could be supposed from a cursory inspection. Study it carefully and you too will be amazed. I kid you not.
zthetha 2 years ago
The issue here is not whether Tarot cards are valueable for self discovery. I don't think it is bad to do this, although the cards were originally intended for game playing. The problem is people promoting Tarot as a divinatory art feel the need to falsify and distort this cultural artifact. As a result, a lot of collateral damage is done to our culture.
Oudler 2 years ago 3
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First of all let us give credit to the author for his visually attention getting video on the subject of the tarot. Lots of photographic work went into making it, obviously. Secondly, to all the 4th graders out their ,your homework assignment is to make a video comparable to this one expressing your own opinion about this subject. The author has shown us the history of the tarot as it is today. There is no right or wrong about this subject. Use it anyway you please as we do with most things.
lazyel 2 years ago
Oh, he has visual talent. Unfortunately the video isn't factual. It is filled with outright lies. It doesn't tell people everything you need to know about tarot.
tarot4games 2 years ago 10
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It's truly too bad that some feel their opinion (and only theirs) is the only answer or approach to any "truth" -- On this subject however, there is a very great deal of true knowledge and historical wisdom in this video. NO ONE has absolute proof of the origin of the tarot - however: 1) There ARE no absolutes, 2) truth, like everything in the universe changes, and 3) we don't even know the absolute truth about our OWN origins... the sands of time are deep and vast. Much is now obscure.
Peace.
20caratstone 2 years ago
When dealing with history, not all "truths" are equally valid. Some truths have more evidence behind them than others. The "truth" that the Earth is flat is not equal to to "truth" that it is round. The origins of Tarot are not as obscure as some would have us believe.
Oudler 2 years ago 10
1)Do you mean there are absolutely no absolutes or just sometimes? 2) Is it always true that truth changes or just sometimes? 3) No - but we have a really good theory from Darwin.
No one claims absolute proof for tarot's origins but not all theories are equally supported, if at all, by the evidence. NOT all theories are equal. To believe a theory that is contradicted by the evidence is just irrational and to promote it is misleading.
philebus1972 2 years ago 11
Kathleen Meadows is against free speech! She's on a flagging campaign to stifle dissent!
tarotdotcomsucks 2 years ago 14
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Really well done! For anyone researching the Tarot in little more than 7 minutes this video will save you hours of research and reading! Thank you for putting this video up for people to see.
psychickathleen 2 years ago
I disagree. I am a tarot researcher and I find this video ridiculous! Its pure speculation not supported by any evidence. Why can't psychics tell the truth about these cards? Why do psychics have to promote false histories about them? For the best tarot history video on YT see Lost History-Tarot Cards.
tarotdotcomsucks 2 years ago 47
You would like it. You don't want people to know the real truth about tarot cards. You flag videos on bogus copy right claims to censor information. You do not allow comments or even ratings on any of your videos. Your videos are on the AIDS list! Your videos are infected with AIDS! To see the Tarot AIDS list search "tarot history" on youtube and there is the list.
Tarockspieler 2 years ago 9
psychickathleen is acting like a Scientologist and a Creationist who goes around YouTube flagging videos for purposes of censorship. What she doing is wrong.
GAMEOFTAROT 2 years ago 12
We stand by our video. The truth of the origins of tarot are not known, no matter how much one would like to think otherwise. Certainty is the enemy of science. Are you telling me that Newton and Liebnitz "invented" calculus? Who built the great pyramid? Who built all the monumental stone structures around the world without calculus? There have been over a dozen "accepted" scientific understandings of the atom. As Huxley said, "I'm too much a skeptic not to believe anything is possible."
monte4amy 2 years ago
There is no 100% certainty to the study of history - no one will dispute that. However, some theories are better supported by the evidence than others and this video does not take that into account. Some of the theories given equal weight are undeniably contrary to the evidence available, making belief in them unreasonable. For example, you make no mention that the 'words', 'tar' and 'ro', suggested by de Gebelin as an origin for the name, do not exist in the Ancient Egyptian lexicon at all!
philebus1972 2 years ago 16
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Beautifully put together. The producer keeps the sense of mystery which is after all an aspect of mind, with music and carefully modulated speech. Honest, sincere and obvious respect for the topic focuses historical obscurity into good information and common sense as the script narrows the Tarot into the light of the technical world's interaction with the mind of man. In all, I think it sets a tone that extends interest.
russocomedy 2 years ago
Honest? sincere? respect for the topic? gimme a break! This video is a load of nonsense!
PsychicsRFrauds 2 years ago 10
I realize that you're stating your sincerely held opinion but we have a problem, i.e., so are we. As a professional psychic I realize that, like lawyers, there are a lot of psychics out there working full time to give my profession a bad reputation. However, my experience has proven to me that my decades of doing readings using astrology and tarot has increased my intuition, intuition we all have, to the point where I can make accurate predictions. I write to you out of respect for skepticism.
monte4amy 2 years ago
Psychic tarot reading is nothing but cold reading. However, I was also addressing the bogus history in the video. tarot4games and philebus1972 are right in their criticisms. As history, this video is pure nonsense. It is a commerical for your tarot deck and nothing more.
eameece wrote the truth about it. Tarot was rarely surpressed and used for games until 1781
PsychicsRFrauds 2 years ago 12
Thank you, russocomedy, for your kind words. We are very proud of our video.
monte4amy 2 years ago
Speculation like this is not necessary since more recent scholarship confirms its Renaissance Italian origin, created by artists steeped in hermetic and Platonic philosophy, which itself goes back to ancient origins. It was rarely supressed, and used mainly for games until 1781. Good video though!
eameece 2 years ago 5
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INTERESTING !
josiraice 3 years ago
This video was made with the best information available at the time. We do not dispute the fact that tarot cards were and are used for games. We present this video as a thought-provoking look at a subject we hold dear. We are saddened by the juvenile rantings that litter the comments section of our little movie. Bright lights attract moths.
monte4amy 3 years ago
The best information available at the time?
Your video must be pretty old then. Face it monte. Your video is out of date.
tarot4games 3 years ago 10
This was not made with the best information available at the time. Michael Dummett's The Game of Tarot was published nearly 30 years ago and it's findings have long been available via the internet. The problem is that your presentation of the cards history and the state of our knowledge about it is misleading. You give equal weight to all theories and suggest that it is without controversy that they come from the East!!?! (regular playing cards perhaps - but not tarot). As for gypsies - ho dear.
philebus1972 2 years ago 15
Crappy video is crap!
Tarockspieler 3 years ago 8
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Yes - Read "The Secret In The Bible" by Tony Bushby. It is said a crystal reproduction of the Capstone, and a beam of light into the top of that Capstone, will create or produce 'Lamed' or a Serpent of Light dancing on it's tail (Lamed Rotating). When the shadows are cast from this rotating 'Serpent' dancing on it's tail, the 22 Glyphs are the "letter's of light" or the 'BASIS' of the now derived 'Hebrew' alphabet. Taro 't' ROTA Rotation, EVOLVE, EVOLUTION, TORAh, all derived from this script.
tigr7170 3 years ago
you are retarded
tarot4games 3 years ago 6
read it, great book...
flyinghotwing 3 years ago
What evidence, your opinion? The first "Tarot cards" were hundreds of years ago, and evolved into the modern playing cards.
I never said what they were used for. I said you cannot know what the creator meant them to be used for a game or divination or both.
As I said Occult was devils works so anyone trying to sell occult items would be killed, so sell them as a game?
How do you know what the "real use" of tarot is?
Can you read minds, are you all knowing?
casandrakumsung 3 years ago
Sorry, tarot cards did not evolve into modern playing cards. Playing cards pre-date tarot in Europe by about 100 years, tarot was created by adding the trumps. We tend to think of them as intended for games because that is what they were used for and there is no evidence to suggest they were intended for anything else. All of the images are of a Medieval/Renaissance Christian tradition, with, again, no evidence to the contrary.
philebus1972 3 years ago 5
Occult had to be hidden, so even if the origin of the Tarot appears to be a card game does not mean the creators made it for that.
You can not know what was in their minds when they created Tarot.
They had to hide the real use otherwise face death, or at the least no one would publish it.
Anyone could have made "cards:" the first cards were hand done and we could never know what was in the mind of the person.
Most people believed in the "occult" in those days even if they did not admit it.
casandrakumsung 3 years ago
Why don't we rely on what the evidence tells us. How do you know what the "real use" of tarot is?
Tarockspieler 3 years ago 3
Which means you have no evidence!
Tarockspieler 3 years ago
It was interesting.
Some information. Anyone that practices the occult in those days would be killed for Heresy and devil worship. So even if the Tarot was made readings it would have Sold for a card game to hide the real reason they were made.
casandrakumsung 3 years ago
Thats pure bullshit!
Tarockspieler 3 years ago
i really agree about the origins of tarot and i believed about it where can I purchase a good tarot card please tell me.
saintbarrabackxs 3 years ago
This video sucks. These cards were really made for game playing and not the occult. The origins of tarot are not obscure. They come from Italy.
Tarockspieler 3 years ago
The Tarot as we know it came from Italy but there were cards found a lot older than that in China and the Middle east.
casandrakumsung 3 years ago
The cards in China and the middle east were non tarot playing cards!
Tarockspieler 3 years ago 3
u guys argue things u know nothiing of, egypt, italy, same shit they go back further than that even..........
flyinghotwing 3 years ago
Ebay. There are hundreds of sets you can get depends on what you will use them for. Check you books stores out or game stores and save shipping.
casandrakumsung 3 years ago
I agree with kutekerri. And,they are not made only for games, although one cannot ignore this side of them. 'Kind of a symbols' book. Thanks for uploading this wonderful vid.
Babejuda 3 years ago
Tarot cards is just a tool for the ones that is not yet dewelloped enough in Magick to see the future!
HannibalMjau 3 years ago
if believe tarot as magical, something see the future. Why not understand it as a set of philosophy?
iokone 3 years ago 2
Tarot is for card games, people!
tarot4games 3 years ago
I agree with the history part, however it isn't ONLY for card games. Just as dice, or a coin can become a tool of connection based on ones personal belief so to can the Tarot. You believe one thing, others belief different, neither is wrong. It's important to keep the belief about a thing separate from what can based in historical fact.
WebWeaver64 3 years ago 2