It is shameful that bigots try to reserve their right to not be offended. NO ONE has that right. Offense is subjective, and most "offensive" acts like profanity and homosexuality can be ignored by turning a blind eye and deaf ear.
@ProfMTH: It is well established that homosexual constitute about 4% of the population. How is 4% normative? Homosexuality is disorderd & self destructive pathological social behavior. Nothing could be more obvious from history, or from an honest analysis of the pathologies typical of "gay culture."
@ProfMTH: I am merely expressing the common concensus of humanity up until the 1970s. Homosexuality was listed as a mental disorder by the psychiatric profession. It was a political campaign to intimidate those heroes of virtue into changing. Anyone familiar w/ the pathologies associated w/ homosexual practice (a.k.a culture) knows it is sick & twisted. I believe is a form of sexually addictive behavior. One day we return to our senses.
@VictorLepanto "I am merely expressing the common concensus of humanity up until the 1970s."
Even if it were the "common concensus of humanity"--and you should probably learn to spell 'consensus' correctly if you're going to invoke it--that settles nothing, unless you're advocating the argumentum ad populum (which, of course, is fallacious). No doubt you know, or should know, that human consensus has been wrong about all sorts of things. So, you'll need to do MUCH better than that.
@ProfMTH: If the best you can do is snipe about spelling you are a mental child. It is vastly more fallacious to imagine that somehow after 1,000s of yrs of clear moral CONSENSUS, we in this one age are somehow smarter then all the generations which preceeded us. But we need only review the practically reality of homosexual behavior in our day. Hepatitis C was produced by the homosexual environment. Just like AIDS emerged like a flash fire out of the homosexual bath house culture.
@VictorLepanto " If the best you can do is snipe about spelling...."
I guess you didn't notice your logical fallacy that I pointed out. Then again, based on the gibberish you've been posting, I suppose charity dictates a presumption that you didn't understand the logical fallacy. And, alas, you've reasserted it in your latest comment.
@ProfMTH: Some 10x smarter then me, & 100x smarter then you once said that "People who know how to argue argue facts & logic, those who don't know how to argue argue fallacies." Morality is a civilisational concern. The way people live together is only established over centuries & at great cost. It is a process of trial & error. The hard won standards that have been established over ions should not be chucked out on a whim in one generation. If you can't grasp that, are too limited to think.
Talk about damning someone with faint praise. BTW, it's "smarter thAn me", not "then."
Avoiding fallacious, invalid logic is not a sign of inability to argue. Whatever idiot told you otherwise gave you horrible guidance. Ignore him/her in future. The fact of the matter is that if every single human being who ever lived thought homosexuality was morally problematic, that would tell us NOTHING about whether, in fact, it is morally problematic.
@ProfMTH: what a trifling ignoramous you are. When future generations seek to rebuild the civilisation we are in the process of destroying w/ our decadence, they will look at people like you as being primarily responsible for their plight. They will speak of you as later generations spoke of the late Romans w/ their vomitoriums & orgies. A civilisation that built up over centuries is being detroyed in the span of one generation. Read Jacques Barzun's Dawn to Decadence.
@VictorLepanto You are a moron who has rendered himself impervious to any and all statements that do not comport with your preferred version of reality. I have tried to challenge you to get beyond this, but you seem determined to keep your mind as tightly closed as possible. Rather than waste any more of my time with this nonsense, I'll simply say "Fuck you" and wish you a nice life. Bye!
@VictorLepanto The Roman empire would be drowned in STDs with the amount of promiscuity they exhibit, except that they weren't. Moral consensus of the past is meaningless because morality evolves just as knowledge does. Either way, you can't turn gay by observing gays, so they can't infect you in anyway. You don't have to like them, just minimal respect towards them as much as you should anyone.
@VictorLepanto This generation isn't "smarter" than any generation before it, but we are better informed thanks to science and technology, and no thanks the bible & superstition
How is homosexuality self-destructive?
"I believe is a form of sexually addictive behavior"
Only a repressed homosexual would compare gay sex to an addiction
"Anyone familiar w/ the pathologies associated w/ homosexual practice (a.k.a culture) knows it is sick & twisted"
I'm sure you know all about gay culture. See above
I am not an evangelical Christian nor am a a Conservative; I am a Catholic of progressive politics; however having said that I will say this: contrary to your ridiculous assertions one cannot disavow the historicity of the NT and maintain ones belief in the Christian gospel-my view of the so -called "offensive" passages in the NT about the death of Jesus is: sorry but the Jewish leadership was instrumental in His death. If we blamed the Romans only would that be anti-Italian bias?
@RPenta "your ridiculous assertions one cannot disavow the historicity of the NT and maintain ones belief in the Christian gospel"
Well, feel free to explain to me how one *can* disavow the historicity of the New Testament and maintain faith in the Christian gospel since the Christian gospel is premised on the historical reality of the events the New Testament purports to report. As for the role of the Jews--particularly the Jewish leadership--in Jesus' death (by the way, do you regard...
(con't) @RPenta ...that as a fact of history, if so why, if not why not?), as a Catholic you would do well to look at your own Church's teaching and guidance vis-a-vis the appropriate way to deal with that as well as the Church's concession that much of what appears in the gospels and the rest of the NT about the Jews, Jesus' execution, and Pontius Pilate is anti-Jewish polemic rather than history. All I've done here is identify the polemic--the very thing your Church has done.
@BrooklynNotQueens Nothing really new about him, is there? Members of that sect have regarded him as a messianic figure for a while now and the belief even survived his death.
Don't understand the reason for the question. Christ being executed was God's will. For it is through Christ's execution and resurrection He has saved us all. Who killed Jesus? We all did. It is because of our sinfulness God saw fit to redeem us in this way..
@ProfMTH To paraphrase Kirkeguard: In life it is only after time has passed that come to fuller understanding, but we can only live our lives in the present.
And so it was for the Apostles of Jesus and the early Church.
@foxriverfred Certainly over time one can come to a fuller understanding of an event. However, what can also happen over time is that people impose significance upon an event that in fact has nothing to do with the event in order to come to terms with it, to resolve cognitive dissonance, & that sort of thing. Jesus was executed as a political criminal who had run afoul of Rome & its local collaborators in Palestine. That, of course, isn't a religion-building story, especially in the Roman world.
@ProfMTH you wrote: "Jesus was executed as a political criminal who had run afoul of Rome & its local collaborators in Palestine. That, of course, isn't a religion-building story," But apparently it is -- based on the buildings with crosses on them one sees in the U.S. and elsewhere. : ) The Apostles, I think, would say Jesus did not come to make a religion ( as we define that word) so much as to give the world light. "Turn the other cheek. Love thy neighbor" replacing "an eye for an eye".
@foxriverfred " But apparently it is -- based on the buildings with crosses on them one sees in the U.S. and elsewhere. : )"
If Christians had spent the last 2,000 years presenting Jesus as a political rebel who challenged Roman authority and encited his followers to do the same, you'd be on to something. But, of course, that's *not* how they've been presenting Jesus and his execution; nor is it how they've been counseling Christians to live. In fact, while the Romans were still ruling...
(con't) @foxreiverfred ...Christian leaders told the flock to "honor the emperor" (1 Peter 2:17) & submit to government as "established by God" (Rom 13:1), adding, ironically enough given Jesus' fate, that those who rebel against the government rebel "against what God has instituted, and...bring judgment on themselves" (Romans 13:2). So, no, Christians very quickly got busy pushing a very different construction of Jesus' death from the fact about his being killed as a political criminal.
@yusufsaad1 -- Jesus never died. In original Christian belief, through His sacrifice, He defeated death, so that all people have eternal spiritual life. Prior to Jesus the Jewish belief was and is that upon death the human soul resides in Sheol. Christians believe Jesus destroyed Sheol so that we might we all find our way to the Kingdom of Heaven.
"Christ died" (Romans 5:6); "Christ died" (Romans 5:8); "Jesus who died" (Romans 8:34); "Christ died" (Romans 14:9); "Christ died" (Romans 14:15); "Christ died" (1 Cor 8:11); "Christ died" (1 Cor 15:3); "Christ died" (Galatians 2:21); "But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead" (John 19:33).
Why would a christian bitch about who killed Jesus? Was it not his death and resurrection that gave you eternal life? Seems to me you all owe a huge thank you to Judas, the Jews and the Romans. The Jews and Judas you owe for eternal life..the Romans you owe for your "healing"..'by his stripes we are healed'. To hate the Jews and any one else for this is hypocritical of your own beliefs as christians.
anyone who denies that the jewes murdered Jesus Christ needs only to read the gospels to discover the truth. They spit upon Him and mocked Him and were overjoyed at His crucifixion. Mathew xxvii: 20-26---"Pilate said to them (Caiaphas and the jewes) 'what shall I do with Jesus?' They all said ' Let Him be crucified!'.... Pilate took water and washed his hands saying ' I am innocent of this blood' and they (jewes) answered ' let His blood be on us and on our children..." and so it is.
It it interesting to note that the story of Jesus stripped of its theological baggage is about a man that defied the religious establishment. When you have at the corner of your faith this fact it is little wonder why Christianity is plagued with heretics. One of the unintended consequences of reading Scripture. Be careful of what example you set. Others are bound to follow. There never was one Christianity but at least 3. Jewish-Christianity, proto-Orthodox & Gnostic. Ditto for multiple Gospels
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, butso it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full ofdoubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for ofa surety they killed him not:-Surah: 4 - An-Nisa , - Ayah: 157
For example, in Acts 3, Paul absolves them and their leaders for acting in ignorance. In 1 Thes he is speaking of some of the same but who are acting in outright hostility to peaceful followers of Jesus. This hardly justifies the same persecution of *those people* - as Paul (Saul) once committed! Anyone can see that from understanding the NT...
Of course one can ready anything unsympathetically and rip it to shreds. It's not difficult. You go the easy route!
@horsie111 "...in Acts 3, Paul absolves them and their leaders for acting in ignorance."
In light of your going on about the importance of reading biblical passages "in full and in context"--counsel I wholeheartedly endorse, BTW (since, among other things, it's among the most certain paths to eventual abandoning of religious faith)--it's kind of funny that you attribute the speech in Acts 3 to Paul. It's actually Peter who, according to the author of Acts, attributes the Jewish role in...
(con't) @horsie111 ...Jesus' execution to ignorance (as well as to God's fulling his plan, which, of course, eliminated any of the actors having a choice in the matter). It's worth noting that the statement about ignorance that Acts puts on Peter's lips is not the position that NT uniformly takes with respect to the role it portrays the Jews playing in Jesus' execution. For example, the author of Mark chalks up the Jewish role to jealousy (Mark 15:10).
(con't) @horsie111 "In 1 Thes he is speaking of some of the same but who are acting in outright hostility to peaceful followers of Jesus. This hardly justifies the same persecution of *those people* - as Paul (Saul) once committed! Anyone can see that from understanding the NT."
My argument is *not* that it justifies persecution of the Jews. Far from it. Rather, the anti-Jewish 1 Thessalonians passage was among the passages that *used* by those seeking to justify such persecution.
Weren't the first three minutes really meant for another video?
I think the only right thing you said in the video was right at the end, where you recommended people watch the debate for themselves. Watching the Dr. Brown clip in context and having the NT beliefs laid out much more fully, has a wholly different effect for those who wish to understand its true message. As does just reading the two passages alone in full and in context.
@Prof MTH.... and you call yourself a professor?...really, please guy, do some study before you make any conclusions... Dr. Brown has clearly explained the two verses you quoted when he said the scriptures does not blame Jews for the death of Jesus. Yes, I am a Christian and I don't blame anyone for the death of Jesus, I thank God for the death of Jesus... I was God's loving will to offer his son, so the world may live.... and please understand
@WhitePearl19 "Dr. Brown has clearly explained the two verses you quoted when he said the scriptures does not blame Jews for the death of Jesus."
Please do share the explanation. How, e.g., has Dr. Brown "explained" that 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15 ("the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus") doesn't blame the Jews for the death of Jesus?
@ProfMTH thanks for asking, when Peter says "you killed Author of life" the people there handed Jesus to death..but read further..they were offered forgiveness, saying you did in ignorance (Jesus forgives for the same reason) were asked to repent, no one (even God) is mad at the people(Jews) there.
For The Jews of the day killed Jesus but they are not anymore to be blamed for Jesus' death, 1. since forgiven
@WhitePearl19 "no one (even God) is mad at the people(Jews) there"
Odd indeed, then, that the 1 Thessalonians passage says "[t]hey displease God" and that "[t]he wrath of God has come upon them at last." Does displeasing God and having his wrath come upon you mean God's not angry at you?
@ProfMTH Pauls talks to Thes. about "Jews who killed Jesus and drove churches of Judea" that means they did not repent, so "those Jews displease God".
You need to understand the different people here, "these Jews" are the hypocrites Jesus talked about. So when Paul is saying this doesn't mean he is accusing "all Jews who killed Jesus", but those who "killed and drove" i.e unrepented. Some "Jews who killed Jews" repented (in Acts upon Peter's sermon
@WhitePearl19 "Pauls talks to Thes. about "Jews who killed Jesus and drove churches of Judea" that means they did not repent, so "those Jews displease God""
So the Jews who didn't become Christians are the ones who killed Jesus, who displease the Christian god, and upon whom "[t]he wrath of God has come...at last," is that it?
@ProfMTH NO Even those who became Christians killed Jesus (they are no more guilty because of repentance), but those who did not repent and drove out the churches of Judea were the once who are displeasing God.
@WhitePearl19 I see. So it's only the Jews who remained Jews who continue to be blamed for killing Jesus and upon whom "[t]he wrath of God has come...at last," is that it?
@ProfMTH NO, Today's Jews have nothing to do with the death of Jesus, just like Gentiles.. apart from that sins of the world nailed Jesus (which is common to all people). Please understand my "Americans-Professor" analogy
You should note that, Matt 27:25, was said by Jews and not Jesus, the then Jews wanted the punishment but it is not binding (I mean it is not God's revelation for Jews) Jews did that in ignorance. Read Acts 2. so they were forgiven, and can receive it in repentance
@WhitePearl19 "You should note that, Matt 27:25, was said by Jews and not Jesus, the then Jews wanted the punishment but it is not binding (I mean it is not God's revelation for Jews) Jews did that in ignorance."
Yes, I know what Acts 2 says. I asked whether it is uniformly the position of the NT that the Jews participated in Jesus' execution out of ignorance. Is it?
@WhitePearl19 "Never did God reject Jesus' prayer, when I forgive you, you receive your forgiveness only upon your repentance and an atonement."
So your prayer goes unanswered unless and until I do something--as did Jesus' prayer?
"Where in NT do you think its otherwise?"
I've asked *you* a question and I'd like I *you* to answer it. I asked whether it is uniformly the position of the NT that the Jews participated in Jesus' execution out of ignorance. Is it?
1. What's the forgiving for? to be forgiven, and go on doing the same sin? NO. Forgiving is so that, when you see you wrong, and plead (repent) then you won't take the punishment! (atonement)
2. Jesus said he has the authority to forgive sins. (note this, think how he has it)
3. Yes the execution of Jesus was done out of ignorance!
You're answering my question *with* a question--never a good thing. I'll try again. When Jesus prayed from the cross "Father, forgive them," did Jesus' prayer go unanswered unless and until something else happened?
"Yes the execution of Jesus was done out of ignorance!"
And is that uniformly the position taken by the New Testament? A "yes" or "no" would be great. Thanks.
@ProfMTH 1. Jesus' prayer is answered immediately. When Jesus was praying for their forgiveness, their guilt, disaster in this physical life, as a result of shedding innocent life is being removed. In the same way we too are asked to forgive those who sinned against us. (this is different from 1 John 1:9, where a person is forgiven of all unrighteousness, upon confession, which only God can do).
@WhitePearl19 "Jesus' prayer is answered immediately. When Jesus was praying for their forgiveness, their guilt, disaster in this physical life, as a result of shedding innocent life is being removed."
What is the basis of your claim that the forgiveness was limited to "this physical life"?
@ProfMTH When Jesus prayed for those people who have shed blood, God's immediate wrath over the people for a time, like a sickness, accident, or even death, which has nothing to do with their becoming righteous which by 1 John 1:9. We know this because Jesus says they don't know. (But rejecting Jesus after the revelation of the Holy Spirit is a serious issue, for which there is no forgiveness, since its a sin against Holy Spirit, for which we cannot intercede Mark 3. 1John5)
@ProfMTH when someone says "some Americans killed a professor", does that mean that the someone is accusing all Americans to be guilty for the death of the professor. NO. It is as simple as that.
Dr. Brown is correct. Jesus WAS A PHARISEE. "The Jews" cited were in fact Nazarenes, Jesus' church - the popular movement. It was the Roman installed "Sadducee" collaborators in the Temple (for money) that killed Jesus on behalf of Greco-Roman Herod. NOT PHARISEES. Quotes of Paul's letters is not Nazarene doctrine as Paul appointed himself "Apostle" long after Jesus died. Paul was almost killed by Nazarenes Acts 20:15 as an apostate . "Pillars" James, Peter and John saved him for the gentiles.
I've been reading "god is not Great" by Christopher Hitchens, lately. Its not a very good book, but Hitchens has introduced me to one argument that I've not heard before, or realized for myself: If Jesus must suffer and die for me to be absolved of my sins, but the condemnation and scourging of The Christ is ITSELF a sin, then who dies for THAT?
oh...Is that a fact? And when I say fact I mean in the literal definition of the word. So, you were there, you can prove this, you can provide physical evidence?I'm glad someones wasting their life worrying about shit that's not real...when your life's over and your alone slipping into the emptiness will you wonder when you see the vast nothingness you're about to enter...
Je sus is not The Hebrew Messiah Name. There is no letter "J" in the Hebrew Tex. The Letter "J" is not even older than 500 years yet 2,000 ago .The Name "je sus" is not even a Hebrew Name., and cannot be consider a possible name for The "Anointed One " .
Strong's Concordance reference #2424 (Greek) which leads to reference #3091, the original Hebrew name is (Yahushua)
"And they were in the way going up to Jerusalem; and Yahushua went before them: and they were amazed; and as they followed, they were afraid. And he took again the twelve, and began to tell them what things should happen unto him,
Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles:"
" But some of them went to the Pharisees and told them what he had done. So the chief priests and the Pharisees called a meeting of the council, and said, "What are we to do? This man is performing many signs. If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and the Romans will come and destroy both our holy place and our nation." ...., So from that day on they planned to put him to death."
@derekdb2 "Je sus is not The Hebrew Messiah Name. There is no letter "J" in the Hebrew."
Oh, good grief, everyone knows "Jesus" is a transliteration. You "Yahushua" people are as bad as Jehovah's Witnesses, treating a particular pronunciation of a name as if it were a talisman.
As for the remainder of your comments, everyone knows the New Testament blames the Jews for Jesus' execution.
No,but if GOD pours his wrath out on ANYONE, who are we to judge or take our OWN wrath? The Jews WILL be redeemed. Putting the verse in context, Paul isn't judging the entire nation, but the ones that rejected Christ. Acts 2:22-24 explains what I said in an earlier post. He says "YOU,with the help of wicked men put him to death by nailing him to the cross." You = Humanity. The most important factor is that HE IS ALIVE. Nobody killed God, they just tore down His temple & he rebuilt it in 3 days!!
@nipseysparkles "...who are we to judge or take our OWN wrath?"
The Christian god often uses human agents to "pour out his wrath." Sometimes he uses other things, but often it's people, no?
"Paul isn't judging the entire nation, but the ones that rejected Christ."
The ones that killed him. Then again, he had to be killed or things wouldn't have gone according to God's plan. Odd how people get in trouble for doing what God wanted (indeed NEEDED) them to do.
Even so...Christ commands to forgive and love your neighbor as yourself override anyone's interpretation that blame be placed physically on anyone for His death. What if he would have lived? Gentiles would be pagans and Jews would live under the Law...He came here to die and it's no one's fault as much as it is everyone's.
The narrator is missing the entire point. PHYSICALLY the Jews sentenced Christ to death and the Romans executed the sentence...BUT NO ONE entity is to blame for the death of our Lord. HUMANITY put Christ on the cross and if you claim to not be a part of the death then you are not a part of the resurrection. The Jews HAD to play a role in the death in order to be redeemed at the resurrection. MY SIN nailed Jesus to the cross...yes! It's true, I NAILED JESUS TO THE CROSS! And so did you.
@nipseysparkles You've articulated one of the traditional theological constructions of Jesus' death. It doesn't eliminate the very real blaming of the Jews that one finds in the New Testament.
I know a lot of gay men and women. Some are young, some in middle age, and a good number are senior citizens. None of them has the health issues that some insist we homosexuals must have because we live such a "very dangerous lifestyle." They're living happy, healthy, normal lives and, in the main, deal with the same health issue and have the same lifespan as their heterosexual counterparts. But I don't suppose any of these facts would be well received in the fact-averse homophobic community.
Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and give birth to a Son, and will call Him Emmanuel ( meaning God with us).
Isaiah 9:6 (Torah)
For unto us a Son is born... and He will be called ...Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace..
Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and give birth to a Son, and will call Him Emmanuel ( meaning God with us).
Isaiah 9:6 (Torah)
For unto us a Son is born... and He will be called ...Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace..
Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and give birth to a Son, and will call Him Emmanuel ( meaning God with us).
Isaiah 9:6 (Torah)
For unto us a Son is born... and He will be called ...Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace..
@bobisnohere1, The book of Isaiah is located in the Tanach, not the Torah. The Torah is the first five book of Moses. Since you're a Christian, I'm a bit surprised you didn't know that.
jesus was killed by roman legionaries under orders of herodes following the roman laws regarding the crime of hipocresy. end of story. Who gives two shits?
Jesus was a Jew, and the Jews didn't kill him the Romans did, the Sanhedrin did not send Jesus to his death but the high priest and the Saduceean priests did, why? The Sanhedrin meets in the morning not at something close to midnight, Jesus arrest was a clandestine operation so that it will cause a stir among his loyal followers interesting to note that the temple guards were a accompanied by Romans and these were about a company in size, Jesus' trial was more of a kangaroo court.
now why do they want Jesus killed? They were afraid of any revolution, which might result in the destruction of the temple or the nation. Also do take note that the Sanhedrin were appointed by the Romans, which was what Jesus and his band of followers were against with. But yet Jesus still has a following within the Sanhedrin, which is why he was tried at night and only a handful and very pro-Roman Sanhedrin knew about it.
No!Jews killed Jesus...jews reject jesus and put him on death!Romans didn't want to kill Jesus but the Jewish people did!So,I'm asking you again,who killed Jesus?
You don't get it do you, the Sanhedrin does not meet at night, they meet at the temple 9AM, and specially not at the house of the high priest. Sanhedrin do not meet at Passover night, do you think that the US Supreme court would meet at midnight on Christmas eve. The Saducees a minority in the Sanhedrin charged Jesus with sedition, and claiming to be king of Israel, Rome does not take any Jewish royalty lightly, hence he was killed.
bush is a christian loool u dont know the meaning of the word let me guess ur a born again christian hahahhah the jews killed jesus did u know that loool ask a jewish person too translate there sacred talmund for u!!! u ignorant gential!!! thats what they refer too you as
If jesus even existed, then it was the Romans that killed him, under orders from Pilate.
An angry crowd and scream and yell about wanting a death sentence but ultimate responsibility fell on Pilate. He declared Jesus innocent and handed him over to the Roman soldiers so to answer the question--Pilate killed Jesus.
Jesus was a jew, he practiced the jewish faith during his life, people who call the jews "killers of jesus" you forget, jesus was the king of the jews, he was taught and did teach the jewish faith during his life, learn jesus before the crucifiction.
Find out about Ptolomy Soter Ist (the first Greek Pharaoh of Egypt) aka the Christ, the "Councils of Nicea" & Arius the Lybian, you will learn a few things if u are really seeking for the truth.
I was also shocked, my advise to you is to go back to Egypt, the exact thing that you are told not to do (what harm can it do??).
no jesus was a jew he came from the tribe of David King of israel a jewish tribe and again he sacrificed himself for our salvation Praise be to Jesus, God, and the Holy Ghost
the Father knoweth me even so know I the Father and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
jesus decided:John 1011 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. 12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. 13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15 As
2 Chronicles 36 anti-semetic? was Isaiah anti semetic when he compared Jews to snakes? millions of christians died along side the Jews during the haulocaust. hitler used christianity as a political tool. no God fearing christian would participate in the Thule society or have a book of Madame Blavatsky's in their home. No christian would write fan letters to american eugenicists. he was an occultist, plain and simple. your comment is revisionist, biased, uninformed
If not for the blatant antisemitism in the Bible portraying the Jews as the killer's of Christ with blood forever on their hands, there would not have been nearly 2000 years of hatred and progroms before the Holocaust, setting it up and making it possible.
That's not revisionism, that is fact. Your filthy Bible is a book of hate, you are just too scared and brainwashed to care. Take responsibility for the logical outcome of your religion and stop making excuses.
If you think the NT is antisemetic by your standards, dont read the OT because it gets worse. the Jewry killed during the crusades and middle ages were killed by christians who couldnt read and had no access to the scriptures so you can't blame that on the text. Hitler was a christian in name only. quote me the verse where it says to kill anyone, let along a Jew
you dont have any facts, you have a lot of emotion though. the hatred programs were made here in america with the perpetuation of the pseudo science of eugenics. Hitler was part Jewish, and that is probably why he razed his hometown so that no one could find out. He was also heavily into the occult. over ONE MILLION christians died with the Jews because they opposed Hitler, how do you explain that antisemtism?
How about the transcripts of Eichmann's trial or the content of '"Mien Kampf"
The vasxt majority of those that carried out the Holocaust were Christians - "Gott mit uns" on their belts and all.
Chriswtians have been using the book of John as the excuse to persecute jews for 2000 years and if you think that's not true, you are clearly not paying attention.
yep but those men werent real christian if they read Genisis 12:1-3 they would've never persecute the Jews and jesus let himself be sacrificed to gain all the sins of the world for our salvation even the Jews salvation
The Jews killed Jesus and are doing it every day we allow them to dominate the media. It's another reason why you don't want jews running so much in Hollywood. They hate Christians.
Also, it's that same Hollywood that is pushing the notion that gay is OK...most people think it's wrong and not normal. The dude who made this video has already made up his mind about Jesus...so that darkness taints all he says. He cannot understand what Holy is and right from wrong.
Neither verse you've quoted proves Dr. Brown wrong. These verses were written by Jews. Jews were persecuted by the medieval christians for killing God, thats the context. No verse in the NT supports the medieval line of thought. The OT is much more anti-semetic than the NT. Isaiah attacks the Jews constantly, is he a self loathing anti semite?
Millions of billions of people die every day and if one is not supposed to be a respector of the rich and poor in judgement should one be a respector of power or knowledge or no power or knowledge so why is this question even asked?
Cite the exact place where the Gemara speaks of a Jesus from Nazareth who was crucified by the Romans in the 1st Century. Please provide the translator's name and where this might be verified.
1. Jesus stoned, then "hanged" or crucified, Sanhedrin 43a-45b.
2. Sanhedrin 67a , where under a phony name (Ben Stada) Jesus is identified as
"Jesus of Nazareth."
See "The Plot Against Christianity," by Elizabeth Dilling. Noontide Press, 1983. It's available through Amazon, and it contains actual photocopies of each page of the Talmud that she quotes, with highlights. Great book.
The Plot Against Christianity is not an authoritative source? Why not? Because you don't like its assertions? Screw you!
If the facts in the book can be proven (see the photocopies that I told you are reproduced from the Soncino Gemara), shown, and tracked, then it's absolutely authoritative.
It's not "a" Jesus, you Jew fool, it's THE Jesus. Go ahead and look up "Balaam" in the Jewish Encyclopedia. It admits it's a code-word for Jesus of Nazareth.
And if you're talking about a Jew named Joshua who was stoned to death in 100 BC, that certainly ISN"T the person you're claiming.
Joshua (Yeshua) was an extremely common name back then. About as popular as Jesus is in certain Latin American countries today.
You apologists think every reference to every Joshua is your guy, when clearly the times, places, and actions are completely at odds with your so-called "gospels".
E. Dilling (if that's her real name) is published by a white supremacist church and regularly quoted by such other stellar defenders of the truth as David Duke and the KKK.
Nice associations you have there, Skippy.
BTW: I'm an atheist, not a Jew. So, I think your bigotry is showing.
Again, I don't care if David Duke or David Duchovny quotes from Elizabeth Dilling (not "E. Dilling," you jackass - she was an author and activist). What I care about is if what she says is TRUE or not.
You haven't yet refuted any of her claims, so either do that, or shut your ass, skippy.
If your mother is Jewish, you're a Jew. It doesn't matter what you choose to believe in, you stupid Jew.
You called me out on nothing; you've proven nothing. You talk about poor scholarship or this person is quoted by that person - but you're unable to refute anything.
You lose! Now run away like the bitch that you are.
Who killed Jesus? Col. Mustard, in the library, with the candlestick.
419Films 6 days ago
It is shameful that bigots try to reserve their right to not be offended. NO ONE has that right. Offense is subjective, and most "offensive" acts like profanity and homosexuality can be ignored by turning a blind eye and deaf ear.
MunkyDrag0n 1 month ago
@ProfMTH Oops, for some reason YT showed this video as new. :/
MartianSpore 1 month ago
@ProfMTH No more webcam videos? D:
MartianSpore 1 month ago
Jesus wasn't a real person lol
ChadsFat 1 month ago
Well if Jesus willingly came down to Earth specificly to die for the sins of humanity, then the answer is, he commited suicide.
If he sacrificed himself, under orders from his father, then the answer is "God did it".
SinnFein4ever 1 month ago
Volume is a bit low on this video, my laptop vol. is on max and I am having trouble hearing it.
Killedkennyagain 1 month ago
One more example of "The Bible means what it says", except when it doesn't!
txvoltaire 1 month ago
I love your videos!!!
IshYehudi613 1 month ago
@IshYehudi613 Thanks!
ProfMTH 1 month ago
Yet another diatribe normalizing the homosexual disorder. Your dishonesty is demonstrated by your title for this hateful video.
VictorLepanto 2 months ago
@VictorLepanto Homosexuality is perfectly normal. Grow up and get over it already.
ProfMTH 2 months ago
@ProfMTH: It is well established that homosexual constitute about 4% of the population. How is 4% normative? Homosexuality is disorderd & self destructive pathological social behavior. Nothing could be more obvious from history, or from an honest analysis of the pathologies typical of "gay culture."
VictorLepanto 2 months ago
@VictorLepanto "Homosexuality is disorderd & self destructive pathological social behavior."
No, it's not. You're frightened, benighted, and bigoted. As I said, grow up and get over it.
ProfMTH 2 months ago
@ProfMTH: I am merely expressing the common concensus of humanity up until the 1970s. Homosexuality was listed as a mental disorder by the psychiatric profession. It was a political campaign to intimidate those heroes of virtue into changing. Anyone familiar w/ the pathologies associated w/ homosexual practice (a.k.a culture) knows it is sick & twisted. I believe is a form of sexually addictive behavior. One day we return to our senses.
VictorLepanto 2 months ago
@VictorLepanto "I am merely expressing the common concensus of humanity up until the 1970s."
Even if it were the "common concensus of humanity"--and you should probably learn to spell 'consensus' correctly if you're going to invoke it--that settles nothing, unless you're advocating the argumentum ad populum (which, of course, is fallacious). No doubt you know, or should know, that human consensus has been wrong about all sorts of things. So, you'll need to do MUCH better than that.
ProfMTH 2 months ago
@ProfMTH: If the best you can do is snipe about spelling you are a mental child. It is vastly more fallacious to imagine that somehow after 1,000s of yrs of clear moral CONSENSUS, we in this one age are somehow smarter then all the generations which preceeded us. But we need only review the practically reality of homosexual behavior in our day. Hepatitis C was produced by the homosexual environment. Just like AIDS emerged like a flash fire out of the homosexual bath house culture.
VictorLepanto 2 months ago
@VictorLepanto " If the best you can do is snipe about spelling...."
I guess you didn't notice your logical fallacy that I pointed out. Then again, based on the gibberish you've been posting, I suppose charity dictates a presumption that you didn't understand the logical fallacy. And, alas, you've reasserted it in your latest comment.
ProfMTH 2 months ago
@ProfMTH: Some 10x smarter then me, & 100x smarter then you once said that "People who know how to argue argue facts & logic, those who don't know how to argue argue fallacies." Morality is a civilisational concern. The way people live together is only established over centuries & at great cost. It is a process of trial & error. The hard won standards that have been established over ions should not be chucked out on a whim in one generation. If you can't grasp that, are too limited to think.
VictorLepanto 2 months ago
@VictorLepanto "Some 10x smarter then me...."
Talk about damning someone with faint praise. BTW, it's "smarter thAn me", not "then."
Avoiding fallacious, invalid logic is not a sign of inability to argue. Whatever idiot told you otherwise gave you horrible guidance. Ignore him/her in future. The fact of the matter is that if every single human being who ever lived thought homosexuality was morally problematic, that would tell us NOTHING about whether, in fact, it is morally problematic.
ProfMTH 2 months ago
@ProfMTH: what a trifling ignoramous you are. When future generations seek to rebuild the civilisation we are in the process of destroying w/ our decadence, they will look at people like you as being primarily responsible for their plight. They will speak of you as later generations spoke of the late Romans w/ their vomitoriums & orgies. A civilisation that built up over centuries is being detroyed in the span of one generation. Read Jacques Barzun's Dawn to Decadence.
VictorLepanto 2 months ago
@VictorLepanto You are a moron who has rendered himself impervious to any and all statements that do not comport with your preferred version of reality. I have tried to challenge you to get beyond this, but you seem determined to keep your mind as tightly closed as possible. Rather than waste any more of my time with this nonsense, I'll simply say "Fuck you" and wish you a nice life. Bye!
ProfMTH 2 months ago
@VictorLepanto The Roman empire would be drowned in STDs with the amount of promiscuity they exhibit, except that they weren't. Moral consensus of the past is meaningless because morality evolves just as knowledge does. Either way, you can't turn gay by observing gays, so they can't infect you in anyway. You don't have to like them, just minimal respect towards them as much as you should anyone.
ddrddrddrddr 1 month ago
@VictorLepanto This generation isn't "smarter" than any generation before it, but we are better informed thanks to science and technology, and no thanks the bible & superstition
How is homosexuality self-destructive?
"I believe is a form of sexually addictive behavior"
Only a repressed homosexual would compare gay sex to an addiction
"Anyone familiar w/ the pathologies associated w/ homosexual practice (a.k.a culture) knows it is sick & twisted"
I'm sure you know all about gay culture. See above
KayBeeEee1983 1 month ago
You forgot the most important verse of all:
Mat 27:25 - Then answered all the people [the Jews}, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
This is probably the most quoted verse by proponents of Jewish Deicide, and the claim that all Jews carry the guilt for Jesus' death.
chirectomy 4 months ago
Well, if someone hadn't killed jebus, the christians wouldn't have much of a religion, would they.
panterguy 7 months ago
I am not an evangelical Christian nor am a a Conservative; I am a Catholic of progressive politics; however having said that I will say this: contrary to your ridiculous assertions one cannot disavow the historicity of the NT and maintain ones belief in the Christian gospel-my view of the so -called "offensive" passages in the NT about the death of Jesus is: sorry but the Jewish leadership was instrumental in His death. If we blamed the Romans only would that be anti-Italian bias?
RPenta 8 months ago
@RPenta "your ridiculous assertions one cannot disavow the historicity of the NT and maintain ones belief in the Christian gospel"
Well, feel free to explain to me how one *can* disavow the historicity of the New Testament and maintain faith in the Christian gospel since the Christian gospel is premised on the historical reality of the events the New Testament purports to report. As for the role of the Jews--particularly the Jewish leadership--in Jesus' death (by the way, do you regard...
ProfMTH 8 months ago
(con't) @RPenta ...that as a fact of history, if so why, if not why not?), as a Catholic you would do well to look at your own Church's teaching and guidance vis-a-vis the appropriate way to deal with that as well as the Church's concession that much of what appears in the gospels and the rest of the NT about the Jews, Jesus' execution, and Pontius Pilate is anti-Jewish polemic rather than history. All I've done here is identify the polemic--the very thing your Church has done.
ProfMTH 8 months ago
@ProfMTH what do you think of the newer hasidic jesus of chabad named mendel schneerson? ברוך אתה יהוה אלוהינו מלך העולם שלא עשני ליובאוויטשער
אמן
BrooklynNotQueens 8 months ago
@BrooklynNotQueens Nothing really new about him, is there? Members of that sect have regarded him as a messianic figure for a while now and the belief even survived his death.
ProfMTH 8 months ago
@ProfMTH well his cult is growing esp among jews from eastern europe. many people now openly pray to him at his "ohel".
and just like the early jesus religions chabad has a lot of support from the urban elite.
BrooklynNotQueens 8 months ago
Funny , no - one ever blames it on Moses .
TheIAMINU 8 months ago
Don't understand the reason for the question. Christ being executed was God's will. For it is through Christ's execution and resurrection He has saved us all. Who killed Jesus? We all did. It is because of our sinfulness God saw fit to redeem us in this way..
foxriverfred 10 months ago
@foxriverfred That's a theological / soteriological construction of Jesus' execution.
ProfMTH 10 months ago
@ProfMTH To paraphrase Kirkeguard: In life it is only after time has passed that come to fuller understanding, but we can only live our lives in the present.
And so it was for the Apostles of Jesus and the early Church.
foxriverfred 9 months ago
@foxriverfred Certainly over time one can come to a fuller understanding of an event. However, what can also happen over time is that people impose significance upon an event that in fact has nothing to do with the event in order to come to terms with it, to resolve cognitive dissonance, & that sort of thing. Jesus was executed as a political criminal who had run afoul of Rome & its local collaborators in Palestine. That, of course, isn't a religion-building story, especially in the Roman world.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
@ProfMTH you wrote: "Jesus was executed as a political criminal who had run afoul of Rome & its local collaborators in Palestine. That, of course, isn't a religion-building story," But apparently it is -- based on the buildings with crosses on them one sees in the U.S. and elsewhere. : ) The Apostles, I think, would say Jesus did not come to make a religion ( as we define that word) so much as to give the world light. "Turn the other cheek. Love thy neighbor" replacing "an eye for an eye".
foxriverfred 9 months ago
@foxriverfred " But apparently it is -- based on the buildings with crosses on them one sees in the U.S. and elsewhere. : )"
If Christians had spent the last 2,000 years presenting Jesus as a political rebel who challenged Roman authority and encited his followers to do the same, you'd be on to something. But, of course, that's *not* how they've been presenting Jesus and his execution; nor is it how they've been counseling Christians to live. In fact, while the Romans were still ruling...
ProfMTH 9 months ago
(con't) @foxreiverfred ...Christian leaders told the flock to "honor the emperor" (1 Peter 2:17) & submit to government as "established by God" (Rom 13:1), adding, ironically enough given Jesus' fate, that those who rebel against the government rebel "against what God has instituted, and...bring judgment on themselves" (Romans 13:2). So, no, Christians very quickly got busy pushing a very different construction of Jesus' death from the fact about his being killed as a political criminal.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
God sent his son to die. Whoever killed Jesus was fulfilling God's plan and was working for God so how can they be anything but a hero.
humansaretheworld 10 months ago
If Jesus was Lord, how they could kill him ?!!!!!!
yusufsaad1 11 months ago
@yusufsaad1 Agree And why the god need a son? the god live forever and he dont need a son or a whife...
And JESUS >ESAH Did not die..
He will Return and just wait
Am muslim
ironomran 10 months ago
@yusufsaad1 -- Jesus never died. In original Christian belief, through His sacrifice, He defeated death, so that all people have eternal spiritual life. Prior to Jesus the Jewish belief was and is that upon death the human soul resides in Sheol. Christians believe Jesus destroyed Sheol so that we might we all find our way to the Kingdom of Heaven.
foxriverfred 9 months ago
@foxriverfred "Jesus never died"
"Christ died" (Romans 5:6); "Christ died" (Romans 5:8); "Jesus who died" (Romans 8:34); "Christ died" (Romans 14:9); "Christ died" (Romans 14:15); "Christ died" (1 Cor 8:11); "Christ died" (1 Cor 15:3); "Christ died" (Galatians 2:21); "But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead" (John 19:33).
ProfMTH 9 months ago
@foxriverfred watch?v=npehu-GcHP4
yusufsaad1 9 months ago
@foxriverfred watch?v=LkJk-dMDEqE
yusufsaad1 9 months ago
@foxriverfred watch?v=JqGpfWvEEaE
yusufsaad1 9 months ago
@yusufsaad1 Je cmprende francaise bien si vous etes plus comfortable en cette langue....
foxriverfred 9 months ago
Why would a christian bitch about who killed Jesus? Was it not his death and resurrection that gave you eternal life? Seems to me you all owe a huge thank you to Judas, the Jews and the Romans. The Jews and Judas you owe for eternal life..the Romans you owe for your "healing"..'by his stripes we are healed'. To hate the Jews and any one else for this is hypocritical of your own beliefs as christians.
SkinnyWmn69 11 months ago
anyone who denies that the jewes murdered Jesus Christ needs only to read the gospels to discover the truth. They spit upon Him and mocked Him and were overjoyed at His crucifixion. Mathew xxvii: 20-26---"Pilate said to them (Caiaphas and the jewes) 'what shall I do with Jesus?' They all said ' Let Him be crucified!'.... Pilate took water and washed his hands saying ' I am innocent of this blood' and they (jewes) answered ' let His blood be on us and on our children..." and so it is.
anothercountyheard 11 months ago
It it interesting to note that the story of Jesus stripped of its theological baggage is about a man that defied the religious establishment. When you have at the corner of your faith this fact it is little wonder why Christianity is plagued with heretics. One of the unintended consequences of reading Scripture. Be careful of what example you set. Others are bound to follow. There never was one Christianity but at least 3. Jewish-Christianity, proto-Orthodox & Gnostic. Ditto for multiple Gospels
rdsanchez1966 1 year ago
Synogogs of Satan killed Jesus!
TransformedMan 1 year ago
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, butso it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full ofdoubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for ofa surety they killed him not:-Surah: 4 - An-Nisa , - Ayah: 157
ALLAHSWARRIOR312 1 year ago
He did not die.............How can anyone worship a god who was killed by a couple of jews??again i we don't blve jesus was killed....
ALLAHSWARRIOR312 1 year ago
For example, in Acts 3, Paul absolves them and their leaders for acting in ignorance. In 1 Thes he is speaking of some of the same but who are acting in outright hostility to peaceful followers of Jesus. This hardly justifies the same persecution of *those people* - as Paul (Saul) once committed! Anyone can see that from understanding the NT...
Of course one can ready anything unsympathetically and rip it to shreds. It's not difficult. You go the easy route!
horsie111 1 year ago
@horsie111 "...in Acts 3, Paul absolves them and their leaders for acting in ignorance."
In light of your going on about the importance of reading biblical passages "in full and in context"--counsel I wholeheartedly endorse, BTW (since, among other things, it's among the most certain paths to eventual abandoning of religious faith)--it's kind of funny that you attribute the speech in Acts 3 to Paul. It's actually Peter who, according to the author of Acts, attributes the Jewish role in...
ProfMTH 1 year ago
(con't) @horsie111 ...Jesus' execution to ignorance (as well as to God's fulling his plan, which, of course, eliminated any of the actors having a choice in the matter). It's worth noting that the statement about ignorance that Acts puts on Peter's lips is not the position that NT uniformly takes with respect to the role it portrays the Jews playing in Jesus' execution. For example, the author of Mark chalks up the Jewish role to jealousy (Mark 15:10).
ProfMTH 1 year ago
(con't) @horsie111 "In 1 Thes he is speaking of some of the same but who are acting in outright hostility to peaceful followers of Jesus. This hardly justifies the same persecution of *those people* - as Paul (Saul) once committed! Anyone can see that from understanding the NT."
My argument is *not* that it justifies persecution of the Jews. Far from it. Rather, the anti-Jewish 1 Thessalonians passage was among the passages that *used* by those seeking to justify such persecution.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH OK. Thanks for clarifying.
horsie111 1 year ago
Weren't the first three minutes really meant for another video?
I think the only right thing you said in the video was right at the end, where you recommended people watch the debate for themselves. Watching the Dr. Brown clip in context and having the NT beliefs laid out much more fully, has a wholly different effect for those who wish to understand its true message. As does just reading the two passages alone in full and in context.
horsie111 1 year ago
@Prof MTH.... and you call yourself a professor?...really, please guy, do some study before you make any conclusions... Dr. Brown has clearly explained the two verses you quoted when he said the scriptures does not blame Jews for the death of Jesus. Yes, I am a Christian and I don't blame anyone for the death of Jesus, I thank God for the death of Jesus... I was God's loving will to offer his son, so the world may live.... and please understand
WhitePearl19 1 year ago
@WhitePearl19 "Dr. Brown has clearly explained the two verses you quoted when he said the scriptures does not blame Jews for the death of Jesus."
Please do share the explanation. How, e.g., has Dr. Brown "explained" that 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15 ("the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus") doesn't blame the Jews for the death of Jesus?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH thanks for asking, when Peter says "you killed Author of life" the people there handed Jesus to death..but read further..they were offered forgiveness, saying you did in ignorance (Jesus forgives for the same reason) were asked to repent, no one (even God) is mad at the people(Jews) there.
For The Jews of the day killed Jesus but they are not anymore to be blamed for Jesus' death, 1. since forgiven
2. requirement: repentance
WhitePearl19 1 year ago
@WhitePearl19 "no one (even God) is mad at the people(Jews) there"
Odd indeed, then, that the 1 Thessalonians passage says "[t]hey displease God" and that "[t]he wrath of God has come upon them at last." Does displeasing God and having his wrath come upon you mean God's not angry at you?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Pauls talks to Thes. about "Jews who killed Jesus and drove churches of Judea" that means they did not repent, so "those Jews displease God".
You need to understand the different people here, "these Jews" are the hypocrites Jesus talked about. So when Paul is saying this doesn't mean he is accusing "all Jews who killed Jesus", but those who "killed and drove" i.e unrepented. Some "Jews who killed Jews" repented (in Acts upon Peter's sermon
WhitePearl19 1 year ago
@WhitePearl19 "Pauls talks to Thes. about "Jews who killed Jesus and drove churches of Judea" that means they did not repent, so "those Jews displease God""
So the Jews who didn't become Christians are the ones who killed Jesus, who displease the Christian god, and upon whom "[t]he wrath of God has come...at last," is that it?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH NO Even those who became Christians killed Jesus (they are no more guilty because of repentance), but those who did not repent and drove out the churches of Judea were the once who are displeasing God.
WhitePearl19 1 year ago
@WhitePearl19 I see. So it's only the Jews who remained Jews who continue to be blamed for killing Jesus and upon whom "[t]he wrath of God has come...at last," is that it?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH NO, Today's Jews have nothing to do with the death of Jesus, just like Gentiles.. apart from that sins of the world nailed Jesus (which is common to all people). Please understand my "Americans-Professor" analogy
WhitePearl19 1 year ago
@WhitePearl19 "Today's Jews have nothing to do with the death of Jesus"
Matthew 27:25 is wrong then?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH I reaffirm my statement,
You should note that, Matt 27:25, was said by Jews and not Jesus, the then Jews wanted the punishment but it is not binding (I mean it is not God's revelation for Jews) Jews did that in ignorance. Read Acts 2. so they were forgiven, and can receive it in repentance
WhitePearl19 1 year ago
@WhitePearl19 "You should note that, Matt 27:25, was said by Jews and not Jesus, the then Jews wanted the punishment but it is not binding (I mean it is not God's revelation for Jews) Jews did that in ignorance."
So Matthew 27:25 is wrong then, correct?
BTW, you keep saying they were forgiven in Acts 2. Weren't they actually forgiven in Luke 23:34?
One more thing: is it uniformly the position of the New Testament that the Jews participated in the execution of Jesus out of ignorance?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH what do u meant matt 27:25 is wrong,it just records what Jews said.
forgiven is received upon repentance.
In Acts 2 Peter says to crowd before him "you acted in ignorance, as did your leaders"
WhitePearl19 1 year ago
@WhitePearl19 "what do u meant matt 27:25 is wrong,it just records what Jews said."
Why so nervous about saying a passage of the New Testament is wrong? It doesn't present a true statement, correct?
"forgiven is received upon repentance"
So God ignored Jesus' request in Luke 23:34?
"In Acts 2 Peter says...."
Yes, I know what Acts 2 says. I asked whether it is uniformly the position of the NT that the Jews participated in Jesus' execution out of ignorance. Is it?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Matt 27:25 is absolutely right in what it records, the Jews said it, but it is not binding as I've already said. period.
Never did God reject Jesus' prayer, when I forgive you, you receive your forgiveness only upon your repentance and an atonement.
Where in NT do you think its otherwise?
WhitePearl19 1 year ago
@WhitePearl19 "Never did God reject Jesus' prayer, when I forgive you, you receive your forgiveness only upon your repentance and an atonement."
So your prayer goes unanswered unless and until I do something--as did Jesus' prayer?
"Where in NT do you think its otherwise?"
I've asked *you* a question and I'd like I *you* to answer it. I asked whether it is uniformly the position of the NT that the Jews participated in Jesus' execution out of ignorance. Is it?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH
1. What's the forgiving for? to be forgiven, and go on doing the same sin? NO. Forgiving is so that, when you see you wrong, and plead (repent) then you won't take the punishment! (atonement)
2. Jesus said he has the authority to forgive sins. (note this, think how he has it)
3. Yes the execution of Jesus was done out of ignorance!
WhitePearl19 1 year ago
@WhitePearl19 "What's the forgiving for?"
You're answering my question *with* a question--never a good thing. I'll try again. When Jesus prayed from the cross "Father, forgive them," did Jesus' prayer go unanswered unless and until something else happened?
"Yes the execution of Jesus was done out of ignorance!"
And is that uniformly the position taken by the New Testament? A "yes" or "no" would be great. Thanks.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH 1. Jesus' prayer is answered immediately. When Jesus was praying for their forgiveness, their guilt, disaster in this physical life, as a result of shedding innocent life is being removed. In the same way we too are asked to forgive those who sinned against us. (this is different from 1 John 1:9, where a person is forgiven of all unrighteousness, upon confession, which only God can do).
2. Yes
WhitePearl19 1 year ago
@ProfMTH An example of such disaster in the physical life is, that of Herod in book of Acts who died after a proud sermon.
This prayers which is done for the people's forgiveness is to intercede on the guilty person's behalf.
WhitePearl19 1 year ago
@WhitePearl19 "Jesus' prayer is answered immediately. When Jesus was praying for their forgiveness, their guilt, disaster in this physical life, as a result of shedding innocent life is being removed."
What is the basis of your claim that the forgiveness was limited to "this physical life"?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH When Jesus prayed for those people who have shed blood, God's immediate wrath over the people for a time, like a sickness, accident, or even death, which has nothing to do with their becoming righteous which by 1 John 1:9. We know this because Jesus says they don't know. (But rejecting Jesus after the revelation of the Holy Spirit is a serious issue, for which there is no forgiveness, since its a sin against Holy Spirit, for which we cannot intercede Mark 3. 1John5)
WhitePearl19 1 year ago
@ProfMTH ....God's wrath is held back for a time....
WhitePearl19 1 year ago
@ProfMTH 1. Jesus says they don't know
2. Roman soldiers or the Pharisees or the disciples really don't completely understand who Jesus really is.
3. The day of Pentecost, was not yet there for the whole revelation through the Holy Spirit
WhitePearl19 1 year ago
@ProfMTH listen to
Michael Brown vs Rabbi Boteach - Who Killed Jesus? (1of2) from 5:10
Dr. Michael Brown Responds to Rabbi on Jesus (2of2) - DEBATE from 1:30
Did the Jews Miss Their Messiah? (DEBATE) from 1:20
Please try to understand
WhitePearl19 1 year ago
@ProfMTH when someone says "some Americans killed a professor", does that mean that the someone is accusing all Americans to be guilty for the death of the professor. NO. It is as simple as that.
WhitePearl19 1 year ago
the audio is way tinny on this profmth. too much audio compression was used
jobfromdayone 1 year ago
i'm jew and you and your jesus can go to hell ,
but oh sorry ,he is allready there
TheBenmalachi 1 year ago
Dr. Brown is correct. Jesus WAS A PHARISEE. "The Jews" cited were in fact Nazarenes, Jesus' church - the popular movement. It was the Roman installed "Sadducee" collaborators in the Temple (for money) that killed Jesus on behalf of Greco-Roman Herod. NOT PHARISEES. Quotes of Paul's letters is not Nazarene doctrine as Paul appointed himself "Apostle" long after Jesus died. Paul was almost killed by Nazarenes Acts 20:15 as an apostate . "Pillars" James, Peter and John saved him for the gentiles.
clarkewi 1 year ago
I've been reading "god is not Great" by Christopher Hitchens, lately. Its not a very good book, but Hitchens has introduced me to one argument that I've not heard before, or realized for myself: If Jesus must suffer and die for me to be absolved of my sins, but the condemnation and scourging of The Christ is ITSELF a sin, then who dies for THAT?
SSJ3Ulcer 1 year ago
oh...Is that a fact? And when I say fact I mean in the literal definition of the word. So, you were there, you can prove this, you can provide physical evidence?I'm glad someones wasting their life worrying about shit that's not real...when your life's over and your alone slipping into the emptiness will you wonder when you see the vast nothingness you're about to enter...
craigr13666 1 year ago
@craigr13666 Whatever are you blathering about?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
Je sus is not The Hebrew Messiah Name. There is no letter "J" in the Hebrew Tex. The Letter "J" is not even older than 500 years yet 2,000 ago .The Name "je sus" is not even a Hebrew Name., and cannot be consider a possible name for The "Anointed One " .
Strong's Concordance reference #2424 (Greek) which leads to reference #3091, the original Hebrew name is (Yahushua)
derekdb2 1 year ago
Mark 10: 32--34
"And they were in the way going up to Jerusalem; and Yahushua went before them: and they were amazed; and as they followed, they were afraid. And he took again the twelve, and began to tell them what things should happen unto him,
Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles:"
derekdb2 1 year ago
John 11: 46--53
" But some of them went to the Pharisees and told them what he had done. So the chief priests and the Pharisees called a meeting of the council, and said, "What are we to do? This man is performing many signs. If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and the Romans will come and destroy both our holy place and our nation." ...., So from that day on they planned to put him to death."
derekdb2 1 year ago
@derekdb2 "Je sus is not The Hebrew Messiah Name. There is no letter "J" in the Hebrew."
Oh, good grief, everyone knows "Jesus" is a transliteration. You "Yahushua" people are as bad as Jehovah's Witnesses, treating a particular pronunciation of a name as if it were a talisman.
As for the remainder of your comments, everyone knows the New Testament blames the Jews for Jesus' execution.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@allsterdup I forgive you for cursing me. Yes, The Christ is God. I'm sorry you don't believe that. It is my prayer at this moment that you will.
nipseysparkles 1 year ago
No,but if GOD pours his wrath out on ANYONE, who are we to judge or take our OWN wrath? The Jews WILL be redeemed. Putting the verse in context, Paul isn't judging the entire nation, but the ones that rejected Christ. Acts 2:22-24 explains what I said in an earlier post. He says "YOU,with the help of wicked men put him to death by nailing him to the cross." You = Humanity. The most important factor is that HE IS ALIVE. Nobody killed God, they just tore down His temple & he rebuilt it in 3 days!!
nipseysparkles 1 year ago
@nipseysparkles "...who are we to judge or take our OWN wrath?"
The Christian god often uses human agents to "pour out his wrath." Sometimes he uses other things, but often it's people, no?
"Paul isn't judging the entire nation, but the ones that rejected Christ."
The ones that killed him. Then again, he had to be killed or things wouldn't have gone according to God's plan. Odd how people get in trouble for doing what God wanted (indeed NEEDED) them to do.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
Even so...Christ commands to forgive and love your neighbor as yourself override anyone's interpretation that blame be placed physically on anyone for His death. What if he would have lived? Gentiles would be pagans and Jews would live under the Law...He came here to die and it's no one's fault as much as it is everyone's.
nipseysparkles 1 year ago
@nipseysparkles So when, in 1 Thessalonians, Paul says the Jews killed Jesus and that God is pouring our his wrath on them because of it, he's wrong?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
The narrator is missing the entire point. PHYSICALLY the Jews sentenced Christ to death and the Romans executed the sentence...BUT NO ONE entity is to blame for the death of our Lord. HUMANITY put Christ on the cross and if you claim to not be a part of the death then you are not a part of the resurrection. The Jews HAD to play a role in the death in order to be redeemed at the resurrection. MY SIN nailed Jesus to the cross...yes! It's true, I NAILED JESUS TO THE CROSS! And so did you.
nipseysparkles 1 year ago
@nipseysparkles You've articulated one of the traditional theological constructions of Jesus' death. It doesn't eliminate the very real blaming of the Jews that one finds in the New Testament.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
Wow this video is Bashing anyone who disagrees with the lifestyle of Homosexualtiy. A very dagerous lifestyle for men, STDs, reduced lifespan, etc...
So much for free thought!
bobisnohere1 1 year ago
I know a lot of gay men and women. Some are young, some in middle age, and a good number are senior citizens. None of them has the health issues that some insist we homosexuals must have because we live such a "very dangerous lifestyle." They're living happy, healthy, normal lives and, in the main, deal with the same health issue and have the same lifespan as their heterosexual counterparts. But I don't suppose any of these facts would be well received in the fact-averse homophobic community.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
Hope this helps;
We Christians believe the the following:
Isaiah 7:14 (Torah)
Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and give birth to a Son, and will call Him Emmanuel ( meaning God with us).
Isaiah 9:6 (Torah)
For unto us a Son is born... and He will be called ...Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace..
bobisnohere1 1 year ago
Isaiah is not in the Torah and the lines you quote have nothing to do with Jesus. See my "Jesus Was Not the Messiah" series for details.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
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Hope this helps;
We Christians believe the the following:
Isaiah 7:14 (Torah)
Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and give birth to a Son, and will call Him Emmanuel ( meaning God with us).
Isaiah 9:6 (Torah)
For unto us a Son is born... and He will be called ...Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace..
bobisnohere1 1 year ago
Torah is included in the Tanach, but Isaiah is part of the Prophets.
Statesboroblues89 1 year ago
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Statesboroblues89 1 year ago
The Torah explicitly indicates, through prophet Isaiah, that God himself will be born through a virgin thus entering humanity.
The Creator coming to His creation, reaching out, performing miracles, healing the blind and raising the dead!
Elohim's love for us, making Himself known to his beloved bride.
He beckons us to Him, so our hearts might be forever circumcised.
He is, the "I Am", the Mighty God, Everlasting Father, First and the Last, the Prince of Peace, the first born, Jesus!
bobisnohere1 1 year ago
"The Torah explicitly indicates, through prophet Isaiah, that God himself will be born through a virgin thus entering humanity."
No, it doesn't.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
Hope this helps;
We Christians believe the the following:
Isaiah 7:14 (Torah)
Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and give birth to a Son, and will call Him Emmanuel ( meaning God with us).
Isaiah 9:6 (Torah)
For unto us a Son is born... and He will be called ...Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace..
bobisnohere1 1 year ago
Well, what you Christians believe is that those passages talk about Jesus. They don't. See my "Jesus Was Not the Messiah" series.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@bobisnohere1, The book of Isaiah is located in the Tanach, not the Torah. The Torah is the first five book of Moses. Since you're a Christian, I'm a bit surprised you didn't know that.
Statesboroblues89 1 year ago
Jesus wasn't killed. It's was made to the people to appear so.
SilentQ 1 year ago
The Rabbi ripped 'em new rectums at the start! ..but then sadly devolved into a sickening sort of appeasement by the end.
It was difficult to watch at times but on the whole I found it very interesting and illuminating.
MrPoopybum 1 year ago
jesus was killed by roman legionaries under orders of herodes following the roman laws regarding the crime of hipocresy. end of story. Who gives two shits?
HardRawRocknRoll 2 years ago
Jesus was a Jew you idiots....
and historians says that the Romans killed Jesus whiel they kileld thousands of Jews just because they being Jews....
Yuval012 2 years ago
The Judahitish [religion] killed Jesus!
HalleluYH 2 years ago
Jesus was a Jew, and the Jews didn't kill him the Romans did, the Sanhedrin did not send Jesus to his death but the high priest and the Saduceean priests did, why? The Sanhedrin meets in the morning not at something close to midnight, Jesus arrest was a clandestine operation so that it will cause a stir among his loyal followers interesting to note that the temple guards were a accompanied by Romans and these were about a company in size, Jesus' trial was more of a kangaroo court.
junjimalaza 2 years ago
now why do they want Jesus killed? They were afraid of any revolution, which might result in the destruction of the temple or the nation. Also do take note that the Sanhedrin were appointed by the Romans, which was what Jesus and his band of followers were against with. But yet Jesus still has a following within the Sanhedrin, which is why he was tried at night and only a handful and very pro-Roman Sanhedrin knew about it.
junjimalaza 2 years ago
No!Jews killed Jesus...jews reject jesus and put him on death!Romans didn't want to kill Jesus but the Jewish people did!So,I'm asking you again,who killed Jesus?
ccccPFC 2 years ago
You don't get it do you, the Sanhedrin does not meet at night, they meet at the temple 9AM, and specially not at the house of the high priest. Sanhedrin do not meet at Passover night, do you think that the US Supreme court would meet at midnight on Christmas eve. The Saducees a minority in the Sanhedrin charged Jesus with sedition, and claiming to be king of Israel, Rome does not take any Jewish royalty lightly, hence he was killed.
junjimalaza 2 years ago
okay I meant so as not to cause a stir or trouble or resentment among his followers.
junjimalaza 2 years ago
The Italians killed Jesus, everyone knows that. Back then they were called Romans.
UncaDollas 2 years ago
no one killed Jesus(pbuh)
mojly440 2 years ago
I'm glad ProfMTH is a Christian
Weedleweeb 2 years ago
"I'm glad ProfMTH is a Christian."
ProfMTH is not a Christian. :-)
ProfMTH 2 years ago
bush is a christian loool u dont know the meaning of the word let me guess ur a born again christian hahahhah the jews killed jesus did u know that loool ask a jewish person too translate there sacred talmund for u!!! u ignorant gential!!! thats what they refer too you as
SuperFatamerican 2 years ago
If jesus even existed, then it was the Romans that killed him, under orders from Pilate.
An angry crowd and scream and yell about wanting a death sentence but ultimate responsibility fell on Pilate. He declared Jesus innocent and handed him over to the Roman soldiers so to answer the question--Pilate killed Jesus.
ReviewCam 2 years ago
Jesus was not a Jew. The Jews (Judaism) killed Jesus. The biblical Israelites are not the present day Israelis/Jews...
HalleluYH 2 years ago
Jesus was a jew, he practiced the jewish faith during his life, people who call the jews "killers of jesus" you forget, jesus was the king of the jews, he was taught and did teach the jewish faith during his life, learn jesus before the crucifiction.
Aimedrogue 2 years ago
Find out about Ptolomy Soter Ist (the first Greek Pharaoh of Egypt) aka the Christ, the "Councils of Nicea" & Arius the Lybian, you will learn a few things if u are really seeking for the truth.
I was also shocked, my advise to you is to go back to Egypt, the exact thing that you are told not to do (what harm can it do??).
Good luck in your search for truth.
paramon001 2 years ago
You know, I have been thinking, and im pretty sure that religion killed Jesus, because he wouldnt convert to any cult!
Thus he died for your sins!
TheyMadeUs 2 years ago
no jesus was a jew he came from the tribe of David King of israel a jewish tribe and again he sacrificed himself for our salvation Praise be to Jesus, God, and the Holy Ghost
duderelientk 2 years ago
the Father knoweth me even so know I the Father and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
shysty013 2 years ago
jesus decided:John 1011 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. 12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. 13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15 As
shysty013 2 years ago
2 Chronicles 36 anti-semetic? was Isaiah anti semetic when he compared Jews to snakes? millions of christians died along side the Jews during the haulocaust. hitler used christianity as a political tool. no God fearing christian would participate in the Thule society or have a book of Madame Blavatsky's in their home. No christian would write fan letters to american eugenicists. he was an occultist, plain and simple. your comment is revisionist, biased, uninformed
snappa52 2 years ago
If not for the blatant antisemitism in the Bible portraying the Jews as the killer's of Christ with blood forever on their hands, there would not have been nearly 2000 years of hatred and progroms before the Holocaust, setting it up and making it possible.
That's not revisionism, that is fact. Your filthy Bible is a book of hate, you are just too scared and brainwashed to care. Take responsibility for the logical outcome of your religion and stop making excuses.
johnycannuk 2 years ago
If you think the NT is antisemetic by your standards, dont read the OT because it gets worse. the Jewry killed during the crusades and middle ages were killed by christians who couldnt read and had no access to the scriptures so you can't blame that on the text. Hitler was a christian in name only. quote me the verse where it says to kill anyone, let along a Jew
snappa52 2 years ago
cite me one verse that says to kill jews or anyone for that matter in the NT.
snappa52 2 years ago
BTW, the No True Scotsman is a logical fallacy. Not that an idiot Christian like you care for logic.
johnycannuk 2 years ago
you dont have any facts, you have a lot of emotion though. the hatred programs were made here in america with the perpetuation of the pseudo science of eugenics. Hitler was part Jewish, and that is probably why he razed his hometown so that no one could find out. He was also heavily into the occult. over ONE MILLION christians died with the Jews because they opposed Hitler, how do you explain that antisemtism?
snappa52 2 years ago
How about the transcripts of Eichmann's trial or the content of '"Mien Kampf"
The vasxt majority of those that carried out the Holocaust were Christians - "Gott mit uns" on their belts and all.
Chriswtians have been using the book of John as the excuse to persecute jews for 2000 years and if you think that's not true, you are clearly not paying attention.
johnycannuk 2 years ago
yep but those men werent real christian if they read Genisis 12:1-3 they would've never persecute the Jews and jesus let himself be sacrificed to gain all the sins of the world for our salvation even the Jews salvation
duderelientk 2 years ago
The Jews killed Jesus and are doing it every day we allow them to dominate the media. It's another reason why you don't want jews running so much in Hollywood. They hate Christians.
Also, it's that same Hollywood that is pushing the notion that gay is OK...most people think it's wrong and not normal. The dude who made this video has already made up his mind about Jesus...so that darkness taints all he says. He cannot understand what Holy is and right from wrong.
the0world0sucks 2 years ago
Take your bigoted bullshit and stick it up your ass, the0world0sucks.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Neither verse you've quoted proves Dr. Brown wrong. These verses were written by Jews. Jews were persecuted by the medieval christians for killing God, thats the context. No verse in the NT supports the medieval line of thought. The OT is much more anti-semetic than the NT. Isaiah attacks the Jews constantly, is he a self loathing anti semite?
snappa52 2 years ago
snappa has never read the book of John, apparently. He just likes to show up and make apologies for Hitler and pretend the Nazis weren't antisemitic.
I have, in fact, read the entire Bible. Twice. And the utter antisemitism literally dripping from John is quite clear.
johnycannuk 2 years ago
Millions of billions of people die every day and if one is not supposed to be a respector of the rich and poor in judgement should one be a respector of power or knowledge or no power or knowledge so why is this question even asked?
egadslarads 2 years ago
What the hell are you struggling to say, Egadslarads?
ProfMTH 2 years ago
we need more stuff on how to respond to chabad missionaries who are a serious threat to actual jews.
BrooklynNotQueens 2 years ago
You're talking about the Chabad-Lubavitchers, right? Sorry. I can't help you there.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
hmmm I don't get it, what is wrong with the Chabad-Lubavitchers, isn't there Rebbe also a direct descendant of King David?
junjimalaza 2 years ago
there is no i repeat no proof jesus exixted
eremselle 2 years ago
Then why does the Gemara talk about him?
solpapisolmook 2 years ago
It doesn't.
middlekk 2 years ago
You're an uninformed jackass.
solpapisolmook 2 years ago
Would you care to prove it?
Cite the exact place where the Gemara speaks of a Jesus from Nazareth who was crucified by the Romans in the 1st Century. Please provide the translator's name and where this might be verified.
middlekk 2 years ago
Sure!
1. Jesus stoned, then "hanged" or crucified, Sanhedrin 43a-45b.
2. Sanhedrin 67a , where under a phony name (Ben Stada) Jesus is identified as
"Jesus of Nazareth."
See "The Plot Against Christianity," by Elizabeth Dilling. Noontide Press, 1983. It's available through Amazon, and it contains actual photocopies of each page of the Talmud that she quotes, with highlights. Great book.
Anything else I can get you?
solpapisolmook 2 years ago
Um. "The Plot Against Christianity" is not an authoritative source.
And a story about a Jesus that was stoned then hanged hardly comports with the story told in the gospels. And the dates are 100 years off as well
Boy, have YOU ever barked up the wrong tree.
middlekk 2 years ago
The Plot Against Christianity is not an authoritative source? Why not? Because you don't like its assertions? Screw you!
If the facts in the book can be proven (see the photocopies that I told you are reproduced from the Soncino Gemara), shown, and tracked, then it's absolutely authoritative.
It's not "a" Jesus, you Jew fool, it's THE Jesus. Go ahead and look up "Balaam" in the Jewish Encyclopedia. It admits it's a code-word for Jesus of Nazareth.
Sorry, buddy!!
solpapisolmook 2 years ago
Um. No. Sorry.
Your sources aren't authoritative.
And if you're talking about a Jew named Joshua who was stoned to death in 100 BC, that certainly ISN"T the person you're claiming.
Joshua (Yeshua) was an extremely common name back then. About as popular as Jesus is in certain Latin American countries today.
You apologists think every reference to every Joshua is your guy, when clearly the times, places, and actions are completely at odds with your so-called "gospels".
Sorry buddy!!
middlekk 2 years ago
E. Dilling (if that's her real name) is published by a white supremacist church and regularly quoted by such other stellar defenders of the truth as David Duke and the KKK.
Nice associations you have there, Skippy.
BTW: I'm an atheist, not a Jew. So, I think your bigotry is showing.
middlekk 2 years ago
You can be a Jewish atheist.
Again, I don't care if David Duke or David Duchovny quotes from Elizabeth Dilling (not "E. Dilling," you jackass - she was an author and activist). What I care about is if what she says is TRUE or not.
You haven't yet refuted any of her claims, so either do that, or shut your ass, skippy.
solpapisolmook 2 years ago
Really? That's as nonsensical as saying you can be a Nazi with a brain.
Oh, and I never once said I was a cultural Jew. YOU make that bigoted assumption.
I only called you and your Nazi friend on poor scholarship.
I'm done here. Your obvious bigotry and hatred make you and your friends not worth my time - just my scorn.
middlekk 2 years ago
If your mother is Jewish, you're a Jew. It doesn't matter what you choose to believe in, you stupid Jew.
You called me out on nothing; you've proven nothing. You talk about poor scholarship or this person is quoted by that person - but you're unable to refute anything.
You lose! Now run away like the bitch that you are.
solpapisolmook 2 years ago
Bigot. My mother isn't Jewish. YOU made that bigoted assumption.
Nazi liar.
YOU trot out a Nazi book as proof of an assertion that clearly is not true? And then claim that YOU'VE won?
Dunning-Kruger effect at its finest.
Hint: He who posts last doesn't win.
middlekk 2 years ago