Why are former Khmer Rouge members given a "fair trial" today? They should simply be shot in their fucking faces at point blank for participating in this mass orgy of murder, cruelty and suffering.
2:22 - 2:34, except for the childbirth and there being women included, that kinda reminds me of the Bataan March the Imperial Japanese caused on American POWs during WWII. My heart goes to the victims and their families and my rage and wrath goes to Communism. I hope Pol Pot burns in hell.
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@BlizzardGamification It's spelled Hell, but DAMN RIGHT he's burning in hell!!! He slaughtered and starved 2 million (maybe even more, some remains were never found). Burn in hell Pol Pot!!! (or whatever the hell you're called)
President Ford warned congress that suspending bombing of the Khmer rouge would result in their victory and that their rule would result in an "unbelievable horror story". He was ridiculed for saying this.
US gov provided material assistance to KR when they were a guerrilla resistance along the borders of Thailand fighting the Vietnamese occupying Cambodia AFTER the genocide.
@bruk5 Interesting you mentioned Boukassa, as he has a Cambodian connection. He was actually once a colonial French soldier posted in what is now Cambodia.
yeah i heard about the australian green party's death marches and genocide, too. Seriously don't minimize horrific tragedy like this to score political points.
Welcome to the New World Order, planned by Europeans, this is their plan, open your eyes people before its too late. The Bilderberg wants 90% of population eradicated. Keep being apathetic, you will soon find out, when its too late
Look, I don't care about your fake anti-communist bullshit. It's just buzzwords like "totalitarian," circular logic, and writing off any fact that doesn't agree with you.
"the only place democracy's acceptable, is if Americas candidate is electable."
Yeah, sure they would. Doesn't even matter that they wouldn't have been conducted by North Vietnam, but hey, if it contradicts your anti-communist dogma it must be false.
Ho Chi Minh would have run against Emperor Bo Dai. Even Eisenhower recognized he would win in a fair election. But only communists are totalitarian, not emperors, as long as they support the US.
Also, let me help you out by directing you to point 2 of Slavyanski's guide to anti-communism:
"Remember, any unnatural death that occurs under a Communist regime is not only attributable to the leaders of the state, but also Marxism as an ideology. Ignore deaths that occur for the same reason in non-Communist states."
And according to David Chandler who was actually a government employee in Cambodia, the US govt expected 1,000,000 deaths not as a direct result of the bombings but as a result of starvation due to their destruction of irrigation systems and such.
Are you serious? The US and South Vietnam would not allow nationwide elections. The main candidates would have be Ho Chi Minh, a war hero that fought off Japanese occupation, or the former emperor. According to Dwight D. Eisenhower "80 per cent of the population would have voted for the Communist Ho Chi Minh."
No, I mean in Cambodia, where the US govt estimated that 1 million would starve due to their bombardment. They dropped more bombs on that damn country than they did on Japan during all of world war 2. And then they pretend to be surprised when a million die? Give me a fucking break.
First 50 years of the 1900s. It's a typo from a conversation from 8 fucking months ago.
all the greatest killers of all time have been communists - Stalin, Mao (absolute numbers), Pol Pot (percentage of his own population). This is not a coincidence.
Famines and deaths caused by other countries are only considered "killings" when a so-called "communist" does it. For example, we never hear that Winston Churchill "murdered" 4 million people when 4 million starved in British controlled Bangladesh. I also think it's funny when communists are blamed when people die in natural disasters.
Do you know any Cambodian people? Maybe you should ask them about Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge soldiers. War and killing have always existed. But Communists manage to kill millions of THEIR OWN people with their cruel and ignorant policies.
Do you know any Cambodian people? Maybe you should ask them about American and our bombings.
You totally avoided what I said. Those "communists" only "killed" millions of their people if you consider deaths caused by starvation and other countries "murder." Like I said, if you want to use that definition, then Winston Churchill was a genocidal maniac.
Yes, in fact I do know quite a number. And I never said anything defending American bombings. Clearly Khmer Rouge policies, such as killing all the engineers and doctors, and forbidding people from growing so much as a potato for their family, caused much of the starvation. This was also the case in China under Mao. In the Ukraine, Stalin just stole all their food so they would die, because his collectivist farms weren't able to fee his people either.
Well, you sure don't seem hesitant in blaming the Khmer Rouge for American Caused deaths. They were nationalist assholes that killed minorities and intellectuals, but blaming them for the famine is inaccurate. People are all too willing to blame them while completely disregarding the role the Americans played. As for the people who died under Mao and Stalin, you can attribute most of that to mismanagement, natural disasters, and stupidity.
many of the deaths due to starvation can be blamed on the Khmer Rouge. Its hard to build irrigation systems when you have killed all the engineers. And its hard to feed your family when you can be murdered by the state for growing a few potatoes without their consent.
so, in your mind, killing all engineers and forbidding people from picking up fruit that has fallen to the ground was good for the people of Cambodia? You really are a Chomskyite.
Total straw man. Where did I say that was good? Where did I say they were good? Didn't I just call them assholes? And where the fuck do you get that I'm a Chomskyite?
Honestly, if you consider every death caused by a stupid decision murder, then you make Bush into a mass murderer of hundreds of thousands, Eisenhower into a genocidal maniac on the same level as Hitler, etc. Do you really want to do that?
You could say the same about the Nazis and just end it there. But the story doesn't end there. The main plot consists of a massive genocide in the case of the Nazis and the Khmer Rouge. Some people dispute these facts - we call them genocide deniers.
I could say the same thing about the nazis? How? The holocaust was completely under the Nazis control. The majority of people that died under the Khmer Rouge died because of factors outside of the Khmer Rouge' control. The fact is that most of those deaths were caused by the actions of the Americans. Some people dispute that. We call them wrong.
Americans killed huge numbers of Germans with our bombing. But that doesn't change the fact that the Nazis committed a horrible genocide. You are the one who came to a video about KR atrocities and start defending the KR and blaming the Americans. Just like your boy Chomsky, who has also denied mass killings in Eastern Europe in the 90s.
The KR get blamed for deaths they didn't cause. The Nazis get blamed for deaths they did cause. See the difference? I commented on this video because some idiot said Hitler was better than the Khmer Rouge because the people he killed were "outsiders." As for Chomsky, is that how you argue with people? Try to associate them with someone you don't like? I haven't even read any Chomsky. You're a liar, just like your boy Hitler, who denied the holocaust. See how immature I look when I say that?
The KR are correctly blamed for well over 1 million deaths. Even with inflated numbers caused by American bombings, the KR committed a massive genocide. But hey, you can keep defending them at your pleasure.
You act like I said they killed no one. I know they committed a genocide. As if that wasn't bad enough, the Americans and people like you have to add on an extra million deaths caused by American bombings, which is most of the deaths generally attributed to the Khmer Rouge.
The Americans are correctly blamed for a million deaths. Even with understated numbers, they still killed massive numbers of people. But hey, you can keep defending them at your pleasure.
I suggest you take up holocaust denial next buddy. And keep fighting for the workers. Even if you kill them all, you can just deny it - you seem good at that.
I realize you're mad because you're wrong, but you don't have to resort to insults. If anyone's denying mass killings it's you, with your denial of the hundreds of thousands of Cambodian deaths caused by the United States. Your attempts to discredit me by making it look like I'm saying the KR didn't kill anyone are pretty idiotic, as I just said a few comments down that they did in fact commit a genocide.
Nazis killed the other race not their own people. However, stupid Khmer Rough killed their own people, especially the high educated one. It takes intellectual, smart people to build the country, not those brainwashed 12 or 13 years old kids. It is simple as that.
Hitler denied the holocaust the same thing Khmer Rough denies the Killing Field.
I have millions of reasons why America isn't awesome. You've wasted plenty of time "explaining" shit to me, but you're conceding now that you realized you can't "smoke" me as easily as you can your crack. One day you're going to look at society and realize that barely anyone else shares your ignorant viewpoints. I'm sure it happens a lot already. Instead of arguing with me just to give up, you could have made plenty of posts on stromfront about you gay lover Michael Savage.
You haven't proved anything. You're ignorant and stupid. Why don't you look up the state departments report from after their bombing of Cambodia? Read about how they expect 1 million deaths from starvation caused by their attacks. Then when it happens, they blame it on Pol Pot, who was their ally against Vietnam. Yeah, these people sound really credible.
Ive seen documentaries on almost every ruthless dictator Hirohito, Stalin Moa etc. and this is the sadest. Most ruthless of all. Hitler was as ruthless, Nazis, yes, but these people were worse cause they ALL starved they were ALL murdered. Nazis didnt murder those who they felt were their own. Stalin was as ruth, but not as many so fast. I guess its hard to say Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot were the worst, but, this is the saddest documentary, stunning, shocking, disturbing. WOW
Thats the DIFFERENCE ZakeD3. GET IT????OUTSIDERS, not their best and brightest. Dont try to get in this with me cause Ill smoke you dude so.. WHAT? Do you know the difference? O.K. smart guy what would you call it? Hey second off my point is, Nazi German Economy fed the people. Not so, with communists, what do you know about it? ZakeD3?
Outsiders? You mean families that had been living in Germany for decades and were envied because they controlled tons of the business and money? And Germany didn't repress their best and brightest? Are you kidding me? They burned tons of books by Jewish intellectuals and tried to replace "Jewish Science" like Einsteins theories with their own.
ZakeD3,You act like Im the Nazi and Im comparing Nazi Germany with a western democracy like U.S.A.Sadly for your arguement Im not,Im comparing Nazis to communists.Its totally accurate, in fact its not even my idea, its History Channels idea. Apparently you havent watched the one on Joseph Stalin,ooh how about"The real Holocaust" also not my idea, but Historians. Im a student of the Holocaust no need to explain their atrocities.BTW did you know my grandpa and his 8 brothers destroyed NAZIGermany?
No, I act like you're comparing Nazi Germany to a completely backward South Asian country run by so called "communists." Guess what? The history channel isn't the be all end all of knowledge, which should be apparent after watching 8 or 9 shows about the coming apocalypse in 2012 or Nazi flying saucers, but I guess someone who gets all their knowledge from tv and Mike Savage wouldn't know anything about objective research.
Mike Savage is a Ph.D. one. and 2 I get my information from multiple sources including 5 courses that in college, books... you know. Oh wait, Im talking to someone who thinks the world should revolt. HAHAHA anyways dont try to change the subject. If you compare National Socialism to any of the MANY forms of communism there is a few subtle differences. TRUTH BE KNOWN.
I don't care if Mike Savage has a Ph.D. Obama has a Doctorate from Harvard, does that mean everything he says is true? If you knew anything about communism and national socialism you'd know that they are very different. National socialism is a system allowing private property. Communisms main goal is to abolish private property. TRUTH BE KNOWN, you're an idiot.
As far as smoking me, doubt it. Stick to crack, it's easier. You don't know shit about Cambodia if you seriously think the two are comparable. Cambodia was a feudal society that was 80% peasant and was the victim of massive bombing by the United States. The US govt expected the effect of their bombings to cause 1000000 people to starve. Germany, on the other hand, was industrialized. But your point doesn't really matter, its ability to feed its population means nothing when it's NAZI GERMANY.
"Stick to crack, it's easier" is that your experience or what? Its pretty easy? Zake3dur riddle me this Zake, (lame ass way to say Jake) Was the Soviet Union industrialized A. and B. How many people starved to death? Why? How many were murdered? How long were THEY brainwashed? Did you know the Mafia are former political prisoners who were locked away with no food so they killed and ate the weak prisoners. They ate germans and their own during the War too #two that is.
Nah, I just figured it'd be easy for you after doing it for so long. The Soviet Union when it was first formed was a backwards feudal country ravaged by Civil War. I didn't realize that a countries inability to feed it's people made it's ideology unjust. And what does that have to do with anything anyway? We were talking about Cambodia, mister "don't try to change the subject."
"mister" ??? damn, Jake you sound pretty damn gay right there. Oh and my original point was directed toward COMMUNISM. Did you forget that ZakeD3 or has your memory lapsed you fucking idiot. BTW dont try to sound like you are defending Cambodia and Im attacking it. THATS WEAK. Thats not true. Its typical liberal bullshit. fag. Zake ( the queer way to say Jake)
You sound pretty stupid Dick. You don't know shit about communism. What's typical liberal bullshit? You're the one who was defending the Nazis in comparison to Pol Pot. As far as the Soviet Union, they were a backwards feudal society also. When you have a coherent argument, then start talking, nick(more flattering way to say Dick)
Oh I forgot, Im talking to a communist sypathizer himself. No wonder you keep trying to imply that Im somehow insulting the Khmer Rouge. hahahahahah now Im "defending nazis too"? Okay bud, now explain to me what specific ideology has to do with communism in general? Considering the FACT that they are all communist. Are you defending the Soviet Union and Pol Pot now? yes. Please explain why Mao was so misunderstood Zake.
I am a Marxist. From your original two comments it's pretty obvious that you were defending the Nazis in comparison to the Khmer Rouge. Did you forget those comments?
There are more than one communist ideologies, but when people say communism they're generally referring to Marxism. I'm defending Pol Pot and the Soviet union against stupid untrue criticism. That doesn't mean I don't think Pol Pot was horrible.
Oh no shit? Your a Marxist? Tell me this much ZakeD3 How many people have died and how many countries have collapsed because of Marxism? Ohhh youre "defending the Soviet Union and Pol Pot against untrue criticism" huh? Explain to me exactly how I criticized them. Then explain how I was "defending Nazis" Im dying to hear it Zake. Lets all hear it. Its your turn, explain your accusations.
A lot less than have died under capitalism. Same for the countries.
You criticized Cambodia for allowing it's people to starve to death, which for the most part wasn't their fault. As far as defending the nazis, I don't have to explain my accusations. The evidence is in your original comments, and I'm not going to copy and paste what you said when you can easily click back and see them. You might have alzheimers, but at least you don't have alzheimers, right?
Are you adding in all the Communists Nazis and Japanese Empirialists that we killed? Still the numbers are no where NEAR the OVER 100 million that died under communist rule. Check Mate you dont know shit. You just got smoked. LAAAAAATTTEEE
Let's see, we killed 50 million communists in the the first 50 years of the 1950s, 9 million people a year starve to death under capitalism, and 1 million children die because of lack of water. So yeah, easily over the "100 million" that communists "killed." Check mate, you don't know shit. You smoke crack. LAAAAAAATTTEEE.
"Let's see, we killed 50 million communists in the the first 50 years of the 1950s," ZakeD
I know that makes sense to you Zake but not to the rest of the universe. I will not even acknowlege the rest of it because its obviously a lie. LIAR. I just looked that shit up LIAR, where do you get your info.? HAHAHAHAH communist bloggers? (Shaking my head at you) BYYYYyyeeee.
What's there to make sense, it's fact. My source is the UN: "The report's chapter on agriculture says about 25,000 people die daily from hunger, with an estimated 815 million people suffering from malnutrition." and "4000 children die every day from diseases caused by bad water and sanitation. Some 1.8 million people, mostly children, are killed by diarrhoea alone each year." When I said lack of water I meant lack of clean water. Just because you don't like a fact doesn't mean its not true.
"Capitalism: It's saved lives, helped the world, and brought democracy to the people."
If only it could feed them.
As far as your 100 million people figure, that's thrown around all the time without support, but even if it's accurate, like in Cambodia, most of these deaths are from famine. Easily 100 million have died in the past 10 years from starvation under capitalism.
LOOK IT UP. LISTEN TO THE WORDS LONG WRITTEN DOWN. Didnt you see the skulls? Bitch it documented, ON FILM. ITS A FACT THE EVIDENSE IS WRITTEN ALL OVER THE FACE OF THE PEOPLE WHO SURVIVED. They call it a societal SCAR. "If it could only feed them" WHO THE ENTIRE WORLD??? USA fed more people than anybody else in HISTORY. HIS-TOR-YYY pussy. CAPITALISM GROWS!!!! CAPITALISM SHRINKS!!! You fuking ZOMBIE, your a lilipution. a Leming next to a cliff. WHAT. SWP did this! ITS A FACT. LIVE WITH IT.
What the FUCK are you talking about? Even if 200 million died under communism, it was mostly from starvation, so your point doesn't mean shit. Can't come up with any evidence or any support, so you resort to caps lock, exclamation marks, and insults. That shows how simple minded you are.
hmhmhmhmhhm Im fucking tight. My shit should be DOCUMENTED pussy. So should yours, you get to go down in history as a COUNTER REVOLUTIONARY. Yeah! bitch WE WILL SEe WONT WE ? Oh what fun they are having.!!! ?? Youre the enabler, you coward, you phoney, you traitor. MY ancestors GAVE THEIR LIFE FOR THIS COUNTRY INCLUDING MY INDIAN ANCESTORS they arent native american, they called THEMSELVES "indian" my grandfather by the name a "MOON". was S.EAST WOOD. MOHAWK BITCH.
YOU are defending POL POT. Over what? A world war 2 american soldiers son is a so called "Nazi" in your estimation? I wish I could see the grin on my uncles faces. My grandpa calls it "confusion". In less than words...a half indian with white roots that go back to 1500 pussy. Hey, you want to talk shit about my fathers side? SICILIAN. (my grandman) No one knows much about G'upPA RANES. Just that hes a HORSE and he gave his life to fight communists in the KOREAN WAR.
YOU are defending POL POT. Over what? A world war 2 american soldiers son is a so called "Nazi" in your estimation? I wish I could see the grin on my uncles faces. My grandpa calls it "confusion". In less than words...a half indian with white roots that go back to 1500 pussy. Hey, you want to talk shit about my fathers side? SICILIAN. (my grandman) No one knows much about G'upPA RANES. Just that hes a HORSE and he gave his life to fight communists in the KOREAN WAR.
Blah blah blah. Why shouldn't I defend Pol Pot from untrue criticism? He was horrible, but nowhere near as bad as he's made out to be. As for your stupid family, are you so frustrated with your inability to carry on an argument that you have to result to this frenzy of insults and meaningless information about your family? Is the only support you have for Americas awesomeness that your family died for America? That doesn't mean shit.
God, one day someones gonna hear you talking like that and they will shut you up. Im sure its already happend in the past. Youre just a mouth, running. I have a million reasons why America is awesome. I dont need to waste my time explaining it to a homosexual communist. Zake
My point about my family is they fought to save the world from Nazis and Communists. Communists, Like you. Id love to meet you in person. Zake Id break the hinges off that dicksucker you call a mouth.
You'd break the hinges off of my mouth? Lol. Good for your damn family, I don't give a shit. You have Native Americans in your family? Wow, so do I. Your Grandpa was Sicilian? Wow, my Grandpa fought in Italy. Your family defended against communism? Wow, my family did too. That doesn't mean I have to worship America or be unwilling to learn what communism really is.
Yeah, you know, that thing that connects your jaw to your skull? I like to call it "the hinges on your dicksucker." When Im speaking to homosexual communists, of course. You arent wired right, Zake, being a fag has your sense of self respect all twisted up. Oh, and youre a liar to boot.
You can't back up your claims or refute mine, so you have to call me a liar. This is frustrating for you so you have to result to insults. I think that's enough support to show that you are in fact the one who isn't wired right. I'm concluding that you were a failed abortion, no? That would explain your conservative viewpoints.
You're tight? Lol. Good for your ancestors. I don't care about your damn family. I guess America is somehow great because your ancestors died fighting for it. Millions died fight for the Nazis as well.
The National Capital Planning Commission voted unanimously to give preliminary approval to the "Victims of Communism Memorial."The memorial will honor an estimated 100 million people killed or tortured under communist rule.They include those who died in Stalinist purges, Mao Zedong's cultural revolution, or under the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia," said Lee Edwards, a fellow with the Heritage Foundation. What? There some evidence for you. Its a fact. Its not disputed. Idiot.
How is that evidence? It's a quote by some idiot. Information not being disputed doesn't make it correct-nobody disputed the "fact" that the Earth was flat. The 100 million people figure comes from the black book. That same book says 25 million of the 100 alone died from the famine in China, which is how they get that huge figure. If they want to talk about people dying from famine, then okay, but they should acknowledge that more people starve under capitalism.
FUCKING CHINKY POL POT DIE IN HELL
M16HTYMADM001 3 weeks ago
Fuck Pol Pot. I hope he's being butt raped with pitchforks right now.
impatientfire 3 months ago
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Fuck Pol Pot. I hope he's burning in hell.
impatientfire 3 months ago
family relations are forbidden...DAMN!
19LAUTARO86 4 months ago
asia's isreal
19LAUTARO86 4 months ago
Why are former Khmer Rouge members given a "fair trial" today? They should simply be shot in their fucking faces at point blank for participating in this mass orgy of murder, cruelty and suffering.
cawimmer430 4 months ago
@cawimmer430 well lets start with you !
i say you were there killing them !
do i have proof? NO!
but according to you no one needs a trail!
thezackwalkumu 2 months ago
2:22 - 2:34, except for the childbirth and there being women included, that kinda reminds me of the Bataan March the Imperial Japanese caused on American POWs during WWII. My heart goes to the victims and their families and my rage and wrath goes to Communism. I hope Pol Pot burns in hell.
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
great video!
Progamble 7 months ago
Pol pot burn in he'll for eternity u son of a whore !!! U made 2 million people suffered and no one even know how many u killed
BlizzardGamification 7 months ago
@BlizzardGamification It's spelled Hell, but DAMN RIGHT he's burning in hell!!! He slaughtered and starved 2 million (maybe even more, some remains were never found). Burn in hell Pol Pot!!! (or whatever the hell you're called)
DarthKieduss43 5 months ago
@BlizzardGamification When he died, his body was cremated.... with a pile of tires
biganiga69 3 months ago
President Ford warned congress that suspending bombing of the Khmer rouge would result in their victory and that their rule would result in an "unbelievable horror story". He was ridiculed for saying this.
andrelebaron 9 months ago
How dye doo dat? Lol
TheNickman321 9 months ago
@TheNickman321 I never seen one of those...
sean0101a 6 months ago
i cant believe my dad went through this
NaTeN1m 11 months ago
Communists are good at dieing them selfs XD
strongarmeric 1 year ago
Yeah, Hanoi Jane everyone. Burn in hell liberal communists. Burn in hell.
bronco3250 1 year ago
@bronco3250 america supported the khmer against the vietanmese communist u moron.
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US gov provided material assistance to KR when they were a guerrilla resistance along the borders of Thailand fighting the Vietnamese occupying Cambodia AFTER the genocide.
illschronic 4 months ago
Yeah, Hanoi Jabe everyone. Burn in hell liberal communists. Burn in hell.
bronco3250 1 year ago
@bronco3250 liberal comunists? :L dont make me laugh dude
stainless921 1 year ago
@stainless921 Didnt know liberals are communists? You are lost. Learn how to spell.
bronco3250 1 year ago
@bronco3250 techniqly liberals arnt communists throughh writing but i can see were you get the connections and im dislexic
stainless921 1 year ago
The Chinese worked with Pol Pot and instructed him on creating a rice bowl for China.
klard 1 year ago
@bruk5 Interesting you mentioned Boukassa, as he has a Cambodian connection. He was actually once a colonial French soldier posted in what is now Cambodia.
LeHuyAnh 1 year ago
khmer rouge deserve a painful death
ak47forever 1 year ago
yeah i heard about the australian green party's death marches and genocide, too. Seriously don't minimize horrific tragedy like this to score political points.
rawrdiaper 2 years ago
Welcome to the New World Order, planned by Europeans, this is their plan, open your eyes people before its too late. The Bilderberg wants 90% of population eradicated. Keep being apathetic, you will soon find out, when its too late
shanny64 2 years ago
@shanny64 U R SMOKING THE GOOD SHIT EH?
thezuke 2 years ago
@shanny64 Good evidence, really compelling.
Serbist 1 year ago
It sounds like the future democratic party. they are halfway there.
pauls317 2 years ago
how is that? how many fucking forced death camps have they initiated so far? fuck you.
rawrdiaper 2 years ago
Look, I don't care about your fake anti-communist bullshit. It's just buzzwords like "totalitarian," circular logic, and writing off any fact that doesn't agree with you.
ZakeD3 2 years ago
"the only place democracy's acceptable, is if Americas candidate is electable."
Yeah, sure they would. Doesn't even matter that they wouldn't have been conducted by North Vietnam, but hey, if it contradicts your anti-communist dogma it must be false.
Ho Chi Minh would have run against Emperor Bo Dai. Even Eisenhower recognized he would win in a fair election. But only communists are totalitarian, not emperors, as long as they support the US.
ZakeD3 2 years ago
Also, let me help you out by directing you to point 2 of Slavyanski's guide to anti-communism:
"Remember, any unnatural death that occurs under a Communist regime is not only attributable to the leaders of the state, but also Marxism as an ideology. Ignore deaths that occur for the same reason in non-Communist states."
ZakeD3 2 years ago
And according to David Chandler who was actually a government employee in Cambodia, the US govt expected 1,000,000 deaths not as a direct result of the bombings but as a result of starvation due to their destruction of irrigation systems and such.
ZakeD3 2 years ago
Are you serious? The US and South Vietnam would not allow nationwide elections. The main candidates would have be Ho Chi Minh, a war hero that fought off Japanese occupation, or the former emperor. According to Dwight D. Eisenhower "80 per cent of the population would have voted for the Communist Ho Chi Minh."
ZakeD3 2 years ago
No, I mean in Cambodia, where the US govt estimated that 1 million would starve due to their bombardment. They dropped more bombs on that damn country than they did on Japan during all of world war 2. And then they pretend to be surprised when a million die? Give me a fucking break.
First 50 years of the 1900s. It's a typo from a conversation from 8 fucking months ago.
ZakeD3 2 years ago
No, it was to prevent elections in Vietnam because they knew Ho Chi Minh would win.
ZakeD3 2 years ago
i love any thing by bill kurtis
elbarto138 3 years ago
If you wanna talk about deaths, talk about the 6.7 million deaths we caused in Vietnam to keep the people of Vietnam from deciding their own future.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
all the greatest killers of all time have been communists - Stalin, Mao (absolute numbers), Pol Pot (percentage of his own population). This is not a coincidence.
jeffmagic32 3 years ago
Famines and deaths caused by other countries are only considered "killings" when a so-called "communist" does it. For example, we never hear that Winston Churchill "murdered" 4 million people when 4 million starved in British controlled Bangladesh. I also think it's funny when communists are blamed when people die in natural disasters.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
Do you know any Cambodian people? Maybe you should ask them about Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge soldiers. War and killing have always existed. But Communists manage to kill millions of THEIR OWN people with their cruel and ignorant policies.
jeffmagic32 3 years ago
Do you know any Cambodian people? Maybe you should ask them about American and our bombings.
You totally avoided what I said. Those "communists" only "killed" millions of their people if you consider deaths caused by starvation and other countries "murder." Like I said, if you want to use that definition, then Winston Churchill was a genocidal maniac.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
Yes, in fact I do know quite a number. And I never said anything defending American bombings. Clearly Khmer Rouge policies, such as killing all the engineers and doctors, and forbidding people from growing so much as a potato for their family, caused much of the starvation. This was also the case in China under Mao. In the Ukraine, Stalin just stole all their food so they would die, because his collectivist farms weren't able to fee his people either.
jeffmagic32 3 years ago
Well, you sure don't seem hesitant in blaming the Khmer Rouge for American Caused deaths. They were nationalist assholes that killed minorities and intellectuals, but blaming them for the famine is inaccurate. People are all too willing to blame them while completely disregarding the role the Americans played. As for the people who died under Mao and Stalin, you can attribute most of that to mismanagement, natural disasters, and stupidity.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
many of the deaths due to starvation can be blamed on the Khmer Rouge. Its hard to build irrigation systems when you have killed all the engineers. And its hard to feed your family when you can be murdered by the state for growing a few potatoes without their consent.
jeffmagic32 3 years ago
No, they weren't. The US government recognized that a million of the deaths were their fault. Why can't you?
ZakeD3 3 years ago
so, in your mind, killing all engineers and forbidding people from picking up fruit that has fallen to the ground was good for the people of Cambodia? You really are a Chomskyite.
jeffmagic32 3 years ago
Total straw man. Where did I say that was good? Where did I say they were good? Didn't I just call them assholes? And where the fuck do you get that I'm a Chomskyite?
ZakeD3 3 years ago
Honestly, if you consider every death caused by a stupid decision murder, then you make Bush into a mass murderer of hundreds of thousands, Eisenhower into a genocidal maniac on the same level as Hitler, etc. Do you really want to do that?
ZakeD3 3 years ago
You can't see the distinction between people killed during a war and those killed by their own government?
jeffmagic32 3 years ago
I can. Did I not just say that the Khmer Rouge murdered intellectuals and minorities and that they were nationalist assholes?
ZakeD3 3 years ago
You could say the same about the Nazis and just end it there. But the story doesn't end there. The main plot consists of a massive genocide in the case of the Nazis and the Khmer Rouge. Some people dispute these facts - we call them genocide deniers.
jeffmagic32 3 years ago
I could say the same thing about the nazis? How? The holocaust was completely under the Nazis control. The majority of people that died under the Khmer Rouge died because of factors outside of the Khmer Rouge' control. The fact is that most of those deaths were caused by the actions of the Americans. Some people dispute that. We call them wrong.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
Americans killed huge numbers of Germans with our bombing. But that doesn't change the fact that the Nazis committed a horrible genocide. You are the one who came to a video about KR atrocities and start defending the KR and blaming the Americans. Just like your boy Chomsky, who has also denied mass killings in Eastern Europe in the 90s.
jeffmagic32 3 years ago
The KR get blamed for deaths they didn't cause. The Nazis get blamed for deaths they did cause. See the difference? I commented on this video because some idiot said Hitler was better than the Khmer Rouge because the people he killed were "outsiders." As for Chomsky, is that how you argue with people? Try to associate them with someone you don't like? I haven't even read any Chomsky. You're a liar, just like your boy Hitler, who denied the holocaust. See how immature I look when I say that?
ZakeD3 3 years ago
The KR are correctly blamed for well over 1 million deaths. Even with inflated numbers caused by American bombings, the KR committed a massive genocide. But hey, you can keep defending them at your pleasure.
jeffmagic32 3 years ago
You act like I said they killed no one. I know they committed a genocide. As if that wasn't bad enough, the Americans and people like you have to add on an extra million deaths caused by American bombings, which is most of the deaths generally attributed to the Khmer Rouge.
The Americans are correctly blamed for a million deaths. Even with understated numbers, they still killed massive numbers of people. But hey, you can keep defending them at your pleasure.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
I suggest you take up holocaust denial next buddy. And keep fighting for the workers. Even if you kill them all, you can just deny it - you seem good at that.
jeffmagic32 3 years ago
I realize you're mad because you're wrong, but you don't have to resort to insults. If anyone's denying mass killings it's you, with your denial of the hundreds of thousands of Cambodian deaths caused by the United States. Your attempts to discredit me by making it look like I'm saying the KR didn't kill anyone are pretty idiotic, as I just said a few comments down that they did in fact commit a genocide.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
the Khmer Rouge killed millions of people. If you accept that, there is still hope for you.
jeffmagic32 3 years ago
Nazis killed the other race not their own people. However, stupid Khmer Rough killed their own people, especially the high educated one. It takes intellectual, smart people to build the country, not those brainwashed 12 or 13 years old kids. It is simple as that.
Hitler denied the holocaust the same thing Khmer Rough denies the Killing Field.
PrdAmericn 2 years ago
The Khmer Rouge killed people of other ethnic groups..they were nationalists like the Nazis. I don't see how what group they killed changes anything.
ZakeD3 2 years ago
I have millions of reasons why America isn't awesome. You've wasted plenty of time "explaining" shit to me, but you're conceding now that you realized you can't "smoke" me as easily as you can your crack. One day you're going to look at society and realize that barely anyone else shares your ignorant viewpoints. I'm sure it happens a lot already. Instead of arguing with me just to give up, you could have made plenty of posts on stromfront about you gay lover Michael Savage.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
Yeah Ive proved you wrong numerous times and you cant admit historical facts. You a liar and you are stupid.
nickranes3 3 years ago
You haven't proved anything. You're ignorant and stupid. Why don't you look up the state departments report from after their bombing of Cambodia? Read about how they expect 1 million deaths from starvation caused by their attacks. Then when it happens, they blame it on Pol Pot, who was their ally against Vietnam. Yeah, these people sound really credible.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
Ive seen documentaries on almost every ruthless dictator Hirohito, Stalin Moa etc. and this is the sadest. Most ruthless of all. Hitler was as ruthless, Nazis, yes, but these people were worse cause they ALL starved they were ALL murdered. Nazis didnt murder those who they felt were their own. Stalin was as ruth, but not as many so fast. I guess its hard to say Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot were the worst, but, this is the saddest documentary, stunning, shocking, disturbing. WOW
nickranes3 3 years ago
Hurp de durp Nazis weren't as bad, they only killed undesirables. Duuuuurr
ZakeD3 3 years ago
Thats the DIFFERENCE ZakeD3. GET IT????OUTSIDERS, not their best and brightest. Dont try to get in this with me cause Ill smoke you dude so.. WHAT? Do you know the difference? O.K. smart guy what would you call it? Hey second off my point is, Nazi German Economy fed the people. Not so, with communists, what do you know about it? ZakeD3?
nickranes3 3 years ago
Outsiders? You mean families that had been living in Germany for decades and were envied because they controlled tons of the business and money? And Germany didn't repress their best and brightest? Are you kidding me? They burned tons of books by Jewish intellectuals and tried to replace "Jewish Science" like Einsteins theories with their own.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
ZakeD3,You act like Im the Nazi and Im comparing Nazi Germany with a western democracy like U.S.A.Sadly for your arguement Im not,Im comparing Nazis to communists.Its totally accurate, in fact its not even my idea, its History Channels idea. Apparently you havent watched the one on Joseph Stalin,ooh how about"The real Holocaust" also not my idea, but Historians. Im a student of the Holocaust no need to explain their atrocities.BTW did you know my grandpa and his 8 brothers destroyed NAZIGermany?
nickranes3 3 years ago
No, I act like you're comparing Nazi Germany to a completely backward South Asian country run by so called "communists." Guess what? The history channel isn't the be all end all of knowledge, which should be apparent after watching 8 or 9 shows about the coming apocalypse in 2012 or Nazi flying saucers, but I guess someone who gets all their knowledge from tv and Mike Savage wouldn't know anything about objective research.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
Mike Savage is a Ph.D. one. and 2 I get my information from multiple sources including 5 courses that in college, books... you know. Oh wait, Im talking to someone who thinks the world should revolt. HAHAHA anyways dont try to change the subject. If you compare National Socialism to any of the MANY forms of communism there is a few subtle differences. TRUTH BE KNOWN.
nickranes3 3 years ago
I don't care if Mike Savage has a Ph.D. Obama has a Doctorate from Harvard, does that mean everything he says is true? If you knew anything about communism and national socialism you'd know that they are very different. National socialism is a system allowing private property. Communisms main goal is to abolish private property. TRUTH BE KNOWN, you're an idiot.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
As far as smoking me, doubt it. Stick to crack, it's easier. You don't know shit about Cambodia if you seriously think the two are comparable. Cambodia was a feudal society that was 80% peasant and was the victim of massive bombing by the United States. The US govt expected the effect of their bombings to cause 1000000 people to starve. Germany, on the other hand, was industrialized. But your point doesn't really matter, its ability to feed its population means nothing when it's NAZI GERMANY.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
"Stick to crack, it's easier" is that your experience or what? Its pretty easy? Zake3dur riddle me this Zake, (lame ass way to say Jake) Was the Soviet Union industrialized A. and B. How many people starved to death? Why? How many were murdered? How long were THEY brainwashed? Did you know the Mafia are former political prisoners who were locked away with no food so they killed and ate the weak prisoners. They ate germans and their own during the War too #two that is.
nickranes3 3 years ago
Nah, I just figured it'd be easy for you after doing it for so long. The Soviet Union when it was first formed was a backwards feudal country ravaged by Civil War. I didn't realize that a countries inability to feed it's people made it's ideology unjust. And what does that have to do with anything anyway? We were talking about Cambodia, mister "don't try to change the subject."
ZakeD3 3 years ago
"mister" ??? damn, Jake you sound pretty damn gay right there. Oh and my original point was directed toward COMMUNISM. Did you forget that ZakeD3 or has your memory lapsed you fucking idiot. BTW dont try to sound like you are defending Cambodia and Im attacking it. THATS WEAK. Thats not true. Its typical liberal bullshit. fag. Zake ( the queer way to say Jake)
nickranes3 3 years ago
You sound pretty stupid Dick. You don't know shit about communism. What's typical liberal bullshit? You're the one who was defending the Nazis in comparison to Pol Pot. As far as the Soviet Union, they were a backwards feudal society also. When you have a coherent argument, then start talking, nick(more flattering way to say Dick)
ZakeD3 3 years ago
Oh I forgot, Im talking to a communist sypathizer himself. No wonder you keep trying to imply that Im somehow insulting the Khmer Rouge. hahahahahah now Im "defending nazis too"? Okay bud, now explain to me what specific ideology has to do with communism in general? Considering the FACT that they are all communist. Are you defending the Soviet Union and Pol Pot now? yes. Please explain why Mao was so misunderstood Zake.
nickranes3 3 years ago
I am a Marxist. From your original two comments it's pretty obvious that you were defending the Nazis in comparison to the Khmer Rouge. Did you forget those comments?
There are more than one communist ideologies, but when people say communism they're generally referring to Marxism. I'm defending Pol Pot and the Soviet union against stupid untrue criticism. That doesn't mean I don't think Pol Pot was horrible.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
Oh no shit? Your a Marxist? Tell me this much ZakeD3 How many people have died and how many countries have collapsed because of Marxism? Ohhh youre "defending the Soviet Union and Pol Pot against untrue criticism" huh? Explain to me exactly how I criticized them. Then explain how I was "defending Nazis" Im dying to hear it Zake. Lets all hear it. Its your turn, explain your accusations.
nickranes3 3 years ago
A lot less than have died under capitalism. Same for the countries.
You criticized Cambodia for allowing it's people to starve to death, which for the most part wasn't their fault. As far as defending the nazis, I don't have to explain my accusations. The evidence is in your original comments, and I'm not going to copy and paste what you said when you can easily click back and see them. You might have alzheimers, but at least you don't have alzheimers, right?
ZakeD3 3 years ago
Are you adding in all the Communists Nazis and Japanese Empirialists that we killed? Still the numbers are no where NEAR the OVER 100 million that died under communist rule. Check Mate you dont know shit. You just got smoked. LAAAAAATTTEEE
nickranes3 3 years ago
The only thing you that gets smoked Littlenicky is any cock near your mouth.
chewbaccajoe 3 years ago 7
Let's see, we killed 50 million communists in the the first 50 years of the 1950s, 9 million people a year starve to death under capitalism, and 1 million children die because of lack of water. So yeah, easily over the "100 million" that communists "killed." Check mate, you don't know shit. You smoke crack. LAAAAAAATTTEEE.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
"Let's see, we killed 50 million communists in the the first 50 years of the 1950s," ZakeD
I know that makes sense to you Zake but not to the rest of the universe. I will not even acknowlege the rest of it because its obviously a lie. LIAR. I just looked that shit up LIAR, where do you get your info.? HAHAHAHAH communist bloggers? (Shaking my head at you) BYYYYyyeeee.
nickranes3 3 years ago
What's there to make sense, it's fact. My source is the UN: "The report's chapter on agriculture says about 25,000 people die daily from hunger, with an estimated 815 million people suffering from malnutrition." and "4000 children die every day from diseases caused by bad water and sanitation. Some 1.8 million people, mostly children, are killed by diarrhoea alone each year." When I said lack of water I meant lack of clean water. Just because you don't like a fact doesn't mean its not true.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
You mean capitalism cant protect the entire WORLD? Hey at least they save some. Communism is DIRECTLY responsible for 100 million deaths.
nickranes3 3 years ago
"Capitalism: It's saved lives, helped the world, and brought democracy to the people."
If only it could feed them.
As far as your 100 million people figure, that's thrown around all the time without support, but even if it's accurate, like in Cambodia, most of these deaths are from famine. Easily 100 million have died in the past 10 years from starvation under capitalism.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
LOOK IT UP. LISTEN TO THE WORDS LONG WRITTEN DOWN. Didnt you see the skulls? Bitch it documented, ON FILM. ITS A FACT THE EVIDENSE IS WRITTEN ALL OVER THE FACE OF THE PEOPLE WHO SURVIVED. They call it a societal SCAR. "If it could only feed them" WHO THE ENTIRE WORLD??? USA fed more people than anybody else in HISTORY. HIS-TOR-YYY pussy. CAPITALISM GROWS!!!! CAPITALISM SHRINKS!!! You fuking ZOMBIE, your a lilipution. a Leming next to a cliff. WHAT. SWP did this! ITS A FACT. LIVE WITH IT.
nickranes3 3 years ago
What the FUCK are you talking about? Even if 200 million died under communism, it was mostly from starvation, so your point doesn't mean shit. Can't come up with any evidence or any support, so you resort to caps lock, exclamation marks, and insults. That shows how simple minded you are.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
hmhmhmhmhhm Im fucking tight. My shit should be DOCUMENTED pussy. So should yours, you get to go down in history as a COUNTER REVOLUTIONARY. Yeah! bitch WE WILL SEe WONT WE ? Oh what fun they are having.!!! ?? Youre the enabler, you coward, you phoney, you traitor. MY ancestors GAVE THEIR LIFE FOR THIS COUNTRY INCLUDING MY INDIAN ANCESTORS they arent native american, they called THEMSELVES "indian" my grandfather by the name a "MOON". was S.EAST WOOD. MOHAWK BITCH.
nickranes3 3 years ago
YOU.
YOU are defending POL POT. Over what? A world war 2 american soldiers son is a so called "Nazi" in your estimation? I wish I could see the grin on my uncles faces. My grandpa calls it "confusion". In less than words...a half indian with white roots that go back to 1500 pussy. Hey, you want to talk shit about my fathers side? SICILIAN. (my grandman) No one knows much about G'upPA RANES. Just that hes a HORSE and he gave his life to fight communists in the KOREAN WAR.
nickranes3 3 years ago
YOU.
YOU are defending POL POT. Over what? A world war 2 american soldiers son is a so called "Nazi" in your estimation? I wish I could see the grin on my uncles faces. My grandpa calls it "confusion". In less than words...a half indian with white roots that go back to 1500 pussy. Hey, you want to talk shit about my fathers side? SICILIAN. (my grandman) No one knows much about G'upPA RANES. Just that hes a HORSE and he gave his life to fight communists in the KOREAN WAR.
nickranes3 3 years ago
Blah blah blah. Why shouldn't I defend Pol Pot from untrue criticism? He was horrible, but nowhere near as bad as he's made out to be. As for your stupid family, are you so frustrated with your inability to carry on an argument that you have to result to this frenzy of insults and meaningless information about your family? Is the only support you have for Americas awesomeness that your family died for America? That doesn't mean shit.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
God, one day someones gonna hear you talking like that and they will shut you up. Im sure its already happend in the past. Youre just a mouth, running. I have a million reasons why America is awesome. I dont need to waste my time explaining it to a homosexual communist. Zake
nickranes3 3 years ago
My point about my family is they fought to save the world from Nazis and Communists. Communists, Like you. Id love to meet you in person. Zake Id break the hinges off that dicksucker you call a mouth.
nickranes3 3 years ago
You'd break the hinges off of my mouth? Lol. Good for your damn family, I don't give a shit. You have Native Americans in your family? Wow, so do I. Your Grandpa was Sicilian? Wow, my Grandpa fought in Italy. Your family defended against communism? Wow, my family did too. That doesn't mean I have to worship America or be unwilling to learn what communism really is.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
Yeah, you know, that thing that connects your jaw to your skull? I like to call it "the hinges on your dicksucker." When Im speaking to homosexual communists, of course. You arent wired right, Zake, being a fag has your sense of self respect all twisted up. Oh, and youre a liar to boot.
nickranes3 3 years ago
You can't back up your claims or refute mine, so you have to call me a liar. This is frustrating for you so you have to result to insults. I think that's enough support to show that you are in fact the one who isn't wired right. I'm concluding that you were a failed abortion, no? That would explain your conservative viewpoints.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
bYE Zake, dont choke to death on those dicks.
nickranes3 3 years ago
Don't choke to death on your ignorance or kill yourself because you're so depressed that you weren't able to "smoke" me. ^_^
ZakeD3 3 years ago
You're tight? Lol. Good for your ancestors. I don't care about your damn family. I guess America is somehow great because your ancestors died fighting for it. Millions died fight for the Nazis as well.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
The National Capital Planning Commission voted unanimously to give preliminary approval to the "Victims of Communism Memorial."The memorial will honor an estimated 100 million people killed or tortured under communist rule.They include those who died in Stalinist purges, Mao Zedong's cultural revolution, or under the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia," said Lee Edwards, a fellow with the Heritage Foundation. What? There some evidence for you. Its a fact. Its not disputed. Idiot.
nickranes3 3 years ago
How is that evidence? It's a quote by some idiot. Information not being disputed doesn't make it correct-nobody disputed the "fact" that the Earth was flat. The 100 million people figure comes from the black book. That same book says 25 million of the 100 alone died from the famine in China, which is how they get that huge figure. If they want to talk about people dying from famine, then okay, but they should acknowledge that more people starve under capitalism.
ZakeD3 3 years ago
Famine created by communism Zake. You brick. Im done explaining History to you. You obviously dont know shit.
nickranes3 3 years ago