U.S. Bishops vow to fight against contraception mandate

[kadene2]

Are we paying for erectile dysfunction?

[Senehtsotara]

Obama is 100% correct on this one. If religious organizations want federal funding, they have to play by the rules and cover basic healthcare needs of women. No one is forcing them to accept federal funds. They are simply greedy and misogynistic at the same time.

OBAMA 2012

[Senehtsotara]

The separation of church and state is an idea formulated by a guy named Thomas Jefferson. You may have heard of him. Also see the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

[brewerbrian420]

The church can have a say in politics when they start paying taxes. Until then shut the fuck up.

[Senehtsotara]

The Republican Party is against my religion. Therefore, in the name of my religious liberty, it must be abolished.

[TheEqualizer2U]

@Senehtsotara

Why is it that other people have to pay for YOUR liberty?

You want lots of sex, no problem, nobody is stopping you. But wait, you want us to protect you from your own choices?

No thanks!

[Senehtsotara]

The Blunt Amendment was an attack on access to affordable healthcare. It would have allowed employers and insurance companies to withhold insurance coverage arbitrarily for any so-called “moral or religious” reason. In practice, it would mean not just denying access to birth control, but also HIV/AIDS treatment, mammograms, maternity care, or even cancer screenings. Something is deeply wrong when “religion” is being used as an excuse to deny healthcare services.

[lor060635]

No my grandpa is dead.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am a grandma, worried to death about my grandchildren. Because of Obama and YES PEOPLE LIKE YOU, with very low morality. Aside from all that the president has no right telling ANY RELIGION WHAT THEY CAN OR CANNOT DO.!!! .

[brewerbrian420]

So they will fight to keep you from putting a piece of latex on your penis or taking a pill, but hide away child molesters. Catholicism is responsible for millions of lost lives and unprecedented agony across the globe. But they will be damned if you practice safe sex. Fuck you Bishop kiddie fiddler. You belong in the 12th century and we the sane wish you would have died out then.

[TheEqualizer2U]

@brewerbrian420

Deviants have infiltrated all parts of our society, you could be one of them.

[brewerbrian420]

@TheEqualizer2U As could you.

[lor060635]

OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST NUT, TAKING AWAY ALL OUT RIGHTS. GO AHEAD IDIOTS VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN, AND BRING OUR WORLD TO AN END.!!!!!!!!!!!!

[brewerbrian420]

@lor060635 It is people like you who wish to push your views on everyone else who will be the end of us. Obama a communist? You might want to look up what communist means and stop listening to your racist grandpa.

[Fischerintellect]

@brewerbrian420 you are lost. I'm sure you enjoy toking up, but please don't deny Obama is a socialist puppet, bent on assaulting religion. Your argument below is ridiculous...nobody is preventing you from using a condom, we just don't feel like paying for it everytime you want to butt fuck your faggot friends.

[brewerbrian420]

@Fischerintellect Oh....... now he's a socialist? You're double confused. First he's a communist, now he's a socialist. What gives? lol

What rights is he taking away?

Lmao. Is the little christian in the closet? Is that what you do with your friends, sorry bud but my friends and I don't roll that way. But I am fine if that is what you're into. If that is what your into in the privacy of your own home, it is your business not mine.

You Sir have made my evening lmao.

[TheEqualizer2U]

@brewerbrian420

Whenever you force one person to pay for another persons choices, you have then taken rights away from the person who had to pay.

Cant make it any more simple than that. But, I doubt a filthy liberal like you would understand, your just like the filthy hippies of the 60's, demanding everything be free.

Now the whole world is broke, nobody left to pay your way....hahahahahahaha!!!!!

[Fischerintellect]

@brewerbrian420 Like I said, your posts clearly indicate that you are not well informed.

[brewerbrian420]

@Fischerintellect I'm so well informed that you have to resort to ad hom attacks and personal insults because you have no real evidence for your claims.

[TheEqualizer2U]

@brewerbrian420

Really?

When were you were forced to go to church?

When were you forced to pay bills for the church?

Please tell us what other evil things the church forced you to do.

BTW, Im not religous, but the conservatives sure make a lot more sense than you filthy liberals, your a disgusting bunch.

[brewerbrian420]

@TheEqualizer2U I was forced to go to church as a child, I was forced to say prayers in a public school when I was a child.

I pay taxes and the church a tax free organization uses roads and sewage lines I payed for.

I am forced to swear on a holy bible when I had to testified in court.

In god we trust is on US currency, and say One nation under god in the pledge of allegiance. Neither are allowed according to the constitution.

[TheEqualizer2U]

@brewerbrian420

And the church forced you to go? NOT!!! Your parents did it, beat them up!

Churches arent the only ones not paying taxes, we have like 45% of the population not paying taxes, and they spend your tax money on chips and soda pop, with 6 kids in tow. Make u mad?

Did the church force you to swear on a bible? NOT! The state did it, you should vote them out.

That is a myth, there is NOTHING in the constitution about seperation of church and state, but if you want it changed, vote!

[brewerbrian420]

@TheEqualizer2U Take away religions grasp from everyday life and all your points become invalid.

No the church didn't force me to go to church, but fear of eternal punishment and how the church plays on those fears in the long run did. My parents being decent people did not want eternal punishment for themselves, my siblings or me so they went.

Churches do not pay taxes right? Then why should they have a say in how government is run.

Where does this 45% figure come from? It sounds fictitious.

[TheEqualizer2U]

@brewerbrian420

They arent trying to tell the govt how its run, they are telling them NOT to be telling the church how they are run, or who they have to give free condoms too.

Its as crazy as Obamas healthcare, trying to force us to buy it, or we get fined, that is the very definition of facists!

[brewerbrian420]

@TheEqualizer2U Do you realize that 99% of all women in the US took contraceptives at one point during the sexually active years. Contraceptives have alternate uses besides preventing pregnancy. Such as preventing excessive cramping and bleeding that can cause death during the menstrual cycle. Treatment of endometriosis and polycystic ovary syndrome. Lowers the risk of endometrial and ovarian cancers. Your church is basically denying women life saving treatments. continued......

[Fischerintellect]

@brewerbrian420 Nobody is denying anybody anything. Buy them yourself. Don't force religious institutions to perform actions that conflict with their beliefs. The end.

[brewerbrian420]

@Fischerintellect So insurance companies are religious organizations now?

[brewerbrian420]

@Fischerintellect The same insurance that deny contraceptives still cover vasectomies and tubal ligation. Both are permanent forms of birth control, so why deny the pill forms which are temporary? Your not making any sense.

[brewerbrian420]

@TheEqualizer2U Because of a few bad eggs. All the law wants is to make sure women who actually need the pill have access to it through their insurance provider and are not denied life saving treatment because it is considered a sin in some Bronze Age mythology. If the government said yes it is illegal based on catholic ideals then that would be a separation of church and state violation rendering it illegal.

Are you against healthcare paid for with taxes that cover everyone?

[TheEqualizer2U]

@brewerbrian420

See how you twist everything, just like a typical liberal.

So which is it, contracetpive, or life threatening saving treatment?

As I have said, I am not against treatment, I am against some people being forced to by contraceptives for other people.

The more services a ins company provides, the higher the premium, for everyone. What your doing is unconstitutional, and just wrong. Buy your own rubbers!

[brewerbrian420]

@TheEqualizer2U What have I twisted brah? Would you explain that please. You keep saying it but have yet to describe or even in point in the direction of what I have twisted.

Taxes are NOT used to pay for this. The law is stating the INSURANCE COMPANIES must cover contraceptives in their plan. NO taxpayer money NO church money, and NOT YOUR money.

Condoms are not covered by this law. Your being an ignorant ass, and claiming things that are even being proposed.

[brewerbrian420]

@TheEqualizer2U Vasectomies and Tubal Ligation are covered by Insurance. And they are permanent forms of birth control. So I have no clue why your getting upset over a temporary form of the same thing that is already covered by insurance. It outright madness from my point of view.

[Senehtsotara]

The bishops should be sent back to the Dark Ages, where they belong.

[brewerbrian420]

@Senehtsotara That would be bad news for the people who were living there. They are in the dark ages after all. The last thing they need is more bishops lol.

[IbnSheba]

----I wish you woyuld stay on topic. You jump around from point to point without ever really saying anything solid. For starters you might explain your many comments on free /cheap condoms. (In 500 characters or less) What was your point?

[jfsfrnd]

Do these Catholics have an objection to be paying for prenatal care and childbirth for unwed single mothers? Isn't that against Catholic beliefs?

[monjiaitaly]

@jfsfrnd no it isnt.

[Senehtsotara]

The Catholic Church is an embarrassing and misogynistic relic of the Dark Ages.

[evb4mvp]

what of the nuns, what do the women in the church have to say about this? this mandate pertanes to women only since we males dont use contraception. asides from contreception the pill has is used to treat other medical conditions. honestly why should we be listening to a bunch of old virgins telling us what to do with our sex lives?

[brewerbrian420]

@evb4mvp Best comment I've seen all day. Makes to much sense for any theist to pay attention to it though.

[MrBushlied]

Bankruptcy court hearings for the Archdiocese of Milwaukee unexpectedly uncovered more than 8,000 previously unreported instances of child sex abuse over the past 60 years. According to an attorney representing 570 of the victims, the charges implicate about 100 church workers, including 75 Catholic priests. Now think about this every time you hear Newt Gingrich, or Rick Santorum or any of the rest of the self-righteous Republican scumbags saying that Obama is waging war on the Catholic Church.

[WereTech]

If this is about religious freedom, then let each person keep their religious freedom and make their own choices.

Seperation of church and state.

Do not allow a religious body to make the call for you and then claim that they are looking out for your freedom when they are taking away your choice.

Or is the Catholic church claiming that businesses have souls, are citizens, and a right to greater religious freedom than living, breathing citizens?

[computerpurple]

If while you are not home and someone from the government was at your home re-arranged your furniture in your home yo wouldn't like it. This is what Obama has done , he is telling the church to hell with your religious views i am now telling you to violate your belief.

[IbnSheba]

@computerpurple ---No he is simply requiring they follow the law. The same law everyone else is required to follow.

[tcorris]

@IbnSheba The bishops will not condemn their souls by misleading the flock into accepting the requirement that the Church pay indirectly for the commission of other peoples sins. On this I would expect the Church to do nothing less than to take an unmoving stand and accept the earthly consequences for not following evil. This isn't the first time the Church took an unpopular stand. It will not be the last. Remember, Jesus was not popular with the Roman officials. He was a trouble maker.

[IbnSheba]

@tcorris

-----The Catholic people have already spoken / acted on the topic of contraception. The Bishops are not relevant religiously. They are mere politicians.

[tcorris]

@IbnSheba Than those "Catholics" are free to chose another church.

[IbnSheba]

@tcorris

-----Or they could force the Bishops to their knees.

[tcorris]

@IbnSheba The Church could choose to cancel all health coverage or they could fire all non-Catholic employees and reject all ambulances carrying muslims or protestants. As hideous as those options might be, those are the two ways the Catholic Church is given to comply with the new Federal law. Christ and his apostles would not qualify as religious, since they ministered to all and turned non away.

[IbnSheba]

@tcorris

---Better still, the Bishops could provide contraceptive services to their employes (via their employee's health insurance) instead of pushing those same employes to pay for contraception with the paychecks the Bishops "provide".

---These questions arise whenever a religious group (or anyone else for that matter)chooses to work within the "public sphere". It is a really fatefull choice....

[tcorris]

@IbnSheba If they use their paychecks that is their own sin. If the Church provides for those same condoms by way of a Church paid benefit, it is the Churches sin as well. It would sooner close the door of the hospital said paycheck came from than it would to participate in another sins. Some Catholic organizations have already said that they will close if it comes down to the choice between compliance and closing.

1 Timothy 5:22 - Do not participate in the sins of others.

[IbnSheba]

@tcorris

----There is no difference between using the paycheck provided by the Church and using the Health care provided by the Church. In both cases the employe makes the call. And in both cases she (or he) has the call to make because she (he) provides labor.

----Are you saying the Church should guide non-Catholics?

[tcorris]

@IbnSheba No I'm saying that the Church not want do buy everyone cheap condoms. The benefits would be paid by the Church with dollars that cannot be used to buy milk. Your paycheck can be used for anything you wish, eggs, milk, condoms. How cheap do we really need to be to require $3 condoms be given to us for free? They won't be the $3 condoms, they will be the cheapest ones that can survive the packaging process. I wouldn't use the 50 cent specials they would offer. Pregnancy guaranteed.

[IbnSheba]

@tcorris

----The healh care fund is there to fund every type of health care. One aim here is to reduce Abortion

[tcorris]

@IbnSheba Which the Church will not pay for either. If folks were together i(married) nstead of messing around abortions would go down as well. The Church does not wish to fund everyones sexual recreation. It is recreational sex that is the source of most abortions, not from married folks. Condoms facilitate recreational sex and thus the resulting abortions when condoms (especially cheap ones like everyone would be getting from their insurance companies). The Church supports neither.

[IbnSheba]

@tcorris

-----Condoms aren't the issue (Pill & IUD are more relevant).What is at issue here is the responsibility of every citizen to pay taxes.  Even the Quakers, whose pacifism saved them from seeing combat, had to fund the war (taxes). You can not simply decide not to pay a tax because you disagree with its aims. That would be criminal.

[tcorris]

@IbnSheba What I don't get is that this requirement is less than a month old, the Church is only asking for this requirement to be lifted, and people are acting as if the Church is trying to reverse a custom of 50 years. They are not even trying to reverse it. They are asking only to not be forced to buy peoples condoms and morning after and week after pills (abortifacients) which they consider murder. It's like getting a murder tax from the local mob for their neighborhood services.

[IbnSheba]

@tcorris -----On one level you are correct: this is political theater. If not, this would be criminal. But in fact the Bishops want to completely do away with the contraceptive coverage -for everyone-. They ae not simply playing defense.

[tcorris]

@IbnSheba They have not said once that you can't buy condoms by the truck load. They just don't want to pay for them. Just as they were not required to pay for them on January 1 or at ANY time previous to that in the history of this country.

Why does everyone think that deserve free condoms anyway?  I think Planned Parenthood gives them out for free; go bug them for your free rubber stash. These thins are cheap and sometimes free and they are plentiful.

[IbnSheba]

@tcorris

-----You missunderstand the nature of insurance. It is not a gift from the employer, rather it is earned by the employe. The Bishops have no more business playing political games with it than than would have playing with someone's paycheck. Their behavior disrespects American workers.

[tcorris]

@IbnSheba You also seem to have some misunderstandings. It is not the government that bestows rights as a king to his subjects. The Constitution requires the government to protect rights that we all have as a matter of us being alive. The government wishes to bestow a new right upon its subjects. Bear in mind a comment from Thomas Jefferson - A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have.

Next time it may well be something you cherish.

[monjiaitaly]

@tcorris thank you for saying that, i wish more people understood this. But those who have become dependent on government or those who can not see beyond skin color will refuse to understand and go for the easiest card. His race.

[WereTech]

@tcorris

I don't recall anyone asking or implying that a CHURCH pay for the contraceptive use of their practitioners.

This issue is in regards to business/corporations giving full healthcare coverage to employees that may wish to exert their own relgious freedom. Business/corporations are not allowed to discriminate in the hiring process based on race, creed, or religion.

Allow real live people to make their own religious choices and not have it imposed upon them. Even God gives us a choice.

[tcorris]

@WereTech And those folks that work for places like Catholic hospitals were aware of the Catholic Churches positions on various moral issues when they choose to work their. They still have a choice on where they chose to work. they can chose to work elsewhere.

[WereTech]

@tcorris

Even when the economy is good, most people don't get to pick where they work or what they do. They take what jobs that they can get to help pay their bills.

Business are not supposed to discriminate when they are hiring people.

Just because you don't agree with someone's religious position doesn't mean that you have the right to impose your religious views upon them. It appears many Catholics don't follow that doctrine already at any rate. Long Live Liberty.

[tcorris]

@WereTech It is the US government that is forcing the issue of discriminating on the basis of religion those the hospital hires and serves. Catholic hospitals and universities are being told that they can hire and serve Catholics ONLY or they must buy everyone condoms. The Catholic Church didn't set the rules, they are just calling foul on those rules, and that closure will happen before compliance.

Jesus and his apostles would not qualify as a religious organization under these rules.

[WereTech]

@tcorris

As I recall, Jesus said something like "Give 2 Ceaser what belongs 2 Ceaser, and give 2 God what belongs 2 God"

So pay your taxes 2 the government that is in control of the land that you live in and give yourself 2 God.

It wasn't too long after his that he started beating people inside the synagogue because it had been turned into a corrupt market place filled with merchants charging huge rates to exhange the local currency for Roman currency that their fellows needed to pay taxes.

[WereTech]

@tcorris

I have heard it stated that a high majority of Catholic women in the United States use some form of contraception. I guess they should all renounce the relgion or get ex-communicated because they are exerting their religious freedom to decide for themselves.

When did Jesus and his apostles file for status as a religion? It seems to me they believed in God discussed and spread his word and tried to help the common human. Paul might have taken tithes but Jesus didn't.

[IbnSheba]

@tcorris ----The Bishop of New York has been conforming to all but identical requirments for a long long time.

[tugaman1000]

@IbnSheba Do you mean the first amendment . why don't you read it. you stupid cow and learn something.

[IbnSheba]

@tugaman1000

-----You are living in a fantasy world. There is no provision in American law whereby one can refuse to pay taxes simply because one really really really really doesn't like how the money will be spent.

[IbnSheba]

@tugaman1000

----Also, I am a person not a cow.

[computerpurple]

@IbnSheba Obama's so called "accommodation" on this matter is a hoodwink con-job because the insurance company will just increase the cost premium which the policy holder - Catholic hospitals , colleges , charity's will have to pay. In other words Obama is putting the church back into the situation of having to pay what is in conflict with their belief . This is WRONG. It's government forcing , demanding the church to do what it wants.

[IbnSheba]

@computerpurple

----Where is it written in American Law that when one is (really really really) really opposed to something that one dosen't have to pay one's taxes to fund it? Quakers, (those notorious pacificts) contributed money (taxes) to America's War efforts.

[IbnSheba]

@computerpurple

----The Church has no special rights when it comes to paying/ not paying taxes. Of course there is the Hyde Amendment. But that only covers abortions. On every other matter all citizens must, without exception, must pay taxes,

[computerpurple]

@IbnSheba The Catholic Church it's self is tax exempt. Places of religious worship don't have to pay federal taxes.

[IbnSheba]

@computerpurple

---- It has to pay this tax!

[computerpurple]

@IbnSheba This is not a tax situation. It's a situation of bullying - Government (the Obama administration) now cleverly putting up a facade in which they now say "hey we now want the insurance company (wink , wink hoodwink) to pay for contraception , the morning after pill (translation-the ABORTION pill) , sterilization . Truth be told health care insurance providers will just raise premiums on their policy holders - in this case the Catholic Church , which is opposed to this.

[IbnSheba]

@computerpurple

-----Congress passed a law and enacted taxes to fund it. No citizen or group of ctizens has a right to opt out of those taxes (irregargles of their beliefs.).

[computerpurple]

@IbnSheba Yes liberal democrats passed HELLcare , BIG on HELL little on care. The way the Obama administration has structured this abomination of HELLcare is that they have steered the bill in the direction of first doing harm by putting Catholics in conflict with their faith. Obama claims he is a christian yet his action say other wise. And you are in the Planned Parenthood , NARAL , NOW camp. Please refrain from any attempts to claim your self as being a christian.

[IbnSheba]

@computerpurple ----What prompts this cute play on words? Are we two? three?

[computerpurple]

@IbnSheba Did you know that Planned Deathood has more abortion mills in black neighborhoods. Do you think Martin Luther King would be happy and supportive of this...i think not. I think it's SICK. BUTT i'm sure it's founder Margaret Sanger would be proud.

[IbnSheba]

@computerpurple

---Again with the cute word games...

[computerpurple]

@IbnSheba Truth hurts.. hows that for cute word games.

[IbnSheba]

@computerpurple Nonetheless everyone, even the clergy, pays sales tax.

[computerpurple]

@IbnSheba This isn't about sales tax..DUH.

[brewerbrian420]

@computerpurple No one is forcing women to take the contraceptives. The law is merely letting people have the option if it is needed. Many of the pills the church are opposed to are used for many different illnesses. And in some cases are life sustaining medication.

Focusing on one aspect of its use and blowing it out of proportion does nothing for your cause. Especially when the use your giving is not as big a problem as its made out to be. Would you like a list of alternate uses?

[computerpurple]

@brewerbrian420 "Especially when the use your giving IS NOT AS BIG A PROBLEM as it's made out to be". .....Now that's ARROGANCE.

[brewerbrian420]

@computerpurple How so?

[computerpurple]

@brewerbrian420 Your comment is of a SMUG attitude due to your dismissive disregard of not acknowledging that it is the Obama / Kathline Sebelius that are using the threat of financial punishment as a incentive to get the church to pay for that which goes against the churches belief .

[brewerbrian420]

@computerpurple Fuck the church. They're responsible for to much shit to be taken seriously anymore.

[computerpurple]

@brewerbrian420 Oh wow that's a real intelligent comment (rolls eyes).

[337noname]

If little boys got pregnant I bet the Bishops would be pro birth control for everyone.

[georgebx]

I'm so glad I don't live in The USA anymore, what a joke! Who do these dress wearing Catholics think they are? Keep religion out of politics, on second though ban all religion? Sick child molesting bishops should be happy we still tolerate their nonsense and existence.

[Clint45s]

Ahhhhhh-Haaaaaa, is it finaly sinking in yet! The President is a duck!!! Obama is nothing more than an errand boy— from a long list of errand boys who are running America into the ground. So it takes an attack on Religion to get everyones attention! What about the personel attacks on our personal liberties that have been accuring for the last 150 plus years! Utterly Insane, unconscious, how our governing bodies, either through neglect or by design, is stripping, and dismantaling America,..Insane

[davidnco1]

Nancy Pelosi and her friends are just making the age old mistake , and underestimating there Christian enemies .

[computerpurple]

@davidnco1 In regards to Nancy Pelosi and her friends... their HORNS are showing. She should be excommunicated.

[IbnSheba]

Please explain why there is a conflict....

----If a woman buying contraception with her paycheck doesn't violate her employer's religious freedom, why would making the same purchase with her insurace card violate her employer's religious freedom? Either way she earned the money & she made the choices. Please respond....

[computerpurple]

@IbnSheba Both Obama and Kathline Sebelius don't want women to have to pay for contraception out of pocket they are DEMANDING that Catholic - hospitals , colleges and charities be forced into having contraception included in the health care packages of their employees. This is a direct violation of the Catholic church. this is wrong

[IbnSheba]

@computerpurple

----There is simply no provision in American government, which says if someone really really objects to something then they don't have to pay taxes for it. This whole controversy is fabricated. The right of belief imagined by you and a few others does not exist. Citizens must pay taxes, even when they are against how the money is being spent. Elections -not beliefs- have consequences.

[computerpurple]

@IbnSheba Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. This is what Barack-Barry Hussien Soetoro-Obama is in violation of.

[IbnSheba]

@computerpurple Equality under the law: not each man (or faith) as a law unto itself.

[monjiaitaly]

@IbnSheba because they are making it free, and who pays for it?? Why should I pay for something i dont believe in, i am sick of it.

[IbnSheba]

@monjiaitaly

----What you believe/ don't believ is beside the point. This is what the law, passed by Congress, requires.

[monjiaitaly]

@IbnSheba your a sheep. The catholic church will not comply and they are right to do so. With your kind of mind set we would still have slavery, just because our corrupt government makes a ruling, it does not make the ruling right. Enjoy licking their boots.

[IbnSheba]

@monjiaitaly ----Ask yourself this: Which Church endorsed/ supported Slavery? And which secular governments dragged it into the modern age? 

[monjiaitaly]

@IbnSheba Which church? I dont know i was not alive when slavery was around. I know it was probably all sects of christianity. But slavery ended along time ago. We had a civil rights movement which was right and just. I have discovered recently, that the democratic party was deep in keeping slavery and it was the republicans that wanted to end it. How about that surprise? Not the republican party of today, the kind of republican party that ron paul is.

[IbnSheba]

@monjiaitaly

-----You are correct about the political parties switching sides. Here is a much better way to think: Constitutional democracy (favored by secular America) is not consistent with slavery. By contrast, the monarchical structure of the Church (the kinglike Pope & his Bishops) is a top-down structure of authority, which is completely compatable with all manner of hierarchy including, slavery. To the Church, it hardly matters whether those slaves are blacks or WOMEN.

[monjiaitaly]

@IbnSheba oh i disagree, look at history the history of the democratic party was for slavery. Constitutional democracy that is very confusing. We were founded as a republic, not a democracy.

[IbnSheba]

@monjiaitaly

---Slavery lasted a mere 70 years after the adotion of the US constituion. That's not very long. By contrast, the Catholic Church has been structured as a top down hierarchal institution since it grew out of the Roman Empire. Now which of these two acted to eliminate chattel slavery?

[monjiaitaly]

@IbnSheba niether, what is your point? That the government has the right to force the catholic church to do something it doesnt believe in because ........?

[IbnSheba]

@monjiaitaly

-----Because the Church has already had been represented. It"s taxation WITH representation. And it's just.

[monjiaitaly]

@IbnSheba we have one constitution, that all people are free, all. I will find a link for you.Take care.

[IbnSheba]

@monjiaitaly

-----Each and every citizen must pay his or her taxes. No citizen mat refuse to pay the taxes that Conress enacted, even if he/she really really really disagrees with the aims of Congress.

[monjiaitaly]

@IbnSheba the hell we cant.

[jfsfrnd]

@monjiaitaly That would be the Southern Democrats. The parties change over time. They switched to Republican during the Nixon era.

[acmic78]

how can we help defeat this

[rytsign69]

@acmic78 Pray.

[eraser695]

I am Impressed by the works of Holy Spirit.

His Holiness just a day before presented his concerns over the religious hostility of Catholic Believers.

[eraser695]

FUCK USA... MANIACS... MODERN NAZIS...

I HAVE SEEN A FIRST NATION WHO IS PRODUCING ITS OWN GENOCIDE.

[CatholicCentrals]

I would not want to pay this contraception with my taxes.

[CatholicCentrals]

Lets stop paying taxes!!!

[rytsign69]

True freedom in the US is under fire right now as these socialist tries to force their ideologies on the Catholic Church and the rest of the People. And they claim Separation of Church and State while all the time the State keeps interfering with the Church.

[Elperr0lol]

When these rich bishops have a baby in the stomach with minimum wage I would love to hear what they have to say about abortions...Other than that they can shut the fuck up with their 'love of all life': If it's in the woman's stomach, why do you think you can tell what these people should do about their fetus (FETUS: not baby!)??

[micktome]

@Elperr0lol "stomach"? are you serious? btw, the baby has its own bloodtype, DNA and is not part of the mother.It lives and grows within the body of the mother and relies on her nourishment but it is definitely a unique individual worthy of every protection under the law. The baby has received 50% of its genetic make-up from its father. The baby is definitely not simply the "property" of the mother, who thinks she can decide what she wants to do with the baby, even to decide to kill it.

[Elperr0lol]

@micktome I never said baby. I said fetus

[rytsign69]

@Elperr0lol no matter what you say what he/she is, the fetus is still a child, a baby, and a unique human from his/her mother and father. You can't change that fact and you or the mother and father have any right to dictate whether he/she lives or die.

[IbnSheba]

@rytsign69 The current issue is contraception. Please stay on track.

[Senehtsotara]

@micktome Newsflash: A zygote doesn't have blood, isn't a "baby" or a "person," and has no protection under the law -- for very good reasons. Zygotes are microscopic. You clearly don't grasp the concept of development. And women are not cows who can be forced by the State to bring an unwanted pregnancy to term. After a certain point in development, an unborn baby merits (and receives) protections. But not at the start of a pregnancy.

[IbnSheba]

@Elperr0lol

-----When people fabricate an issue like the Bishops have done here there is a price to pay. On the issue of contraception the Cathloic Bishops are losing their influence over of their flock. This issue and the Bishops loud, violent, manhandeling of it is going to cost them dearly. The worst wounds are self inflicted.

[tomfaranda]

This is the result of wimpy leadership from teh Bishops for the past 40 years.

[ShadowWolf514]

There are definitely hard times ahead.

[MarkCox73]

It's a "thumb in the eye" to us! I also notice that the media outlets LOVE to attack the Catholic Church. 

[computerpurple]

@MarkCox73 Like and agree with your post comment. Also add Hollywood to the list of Catholic bashers. For example - The Last Temptation of Christ , The Davinci Code , Angels and Demons. Just to name a few.

[BeantownJim]

stop paying taxes!

[IbnSheba]

@BeantownJim  Go to Prision instead....

[BeantownJim]

@IbnSheba 1 out of 4 voters are catholic!

[IbnSheba]

@BeantownJim -----Which means what that 25% gets a free ride on taxes?

[BeantownJim]

@IbnSheba Which means obongo will lose 2012 due to his abortion agenda.He crossed the line.He should be in jail for treason against the constitution and Bill of Rights!

[IbnSheba]

@BeantownJim

---Really? I mean really? O my lord...

You forgot to mention Obama was born in Kenya. And that he is the Anti-Christ.....For Goodness sake get a clue....

[BeantownJim]

@IbnSheba I agree! But yet this govt' is so corrupted nothing has been done!

[antonichulisimo]

fiiiiiiiirst