I agree with you totally Krazie316. Simply put, the fact is...if there was a gay gene....then it came from straight parents who made those babies, who grew and became gay? Doesnt add up, unless "Gay gene people" are saying that deep down everyone has homosexual tendencies whether they admit them or not. That doesnt add up either, because all they complain about is that being gay is abomination...truly...we gotta break down the fake words of their hate-mongering God to clarify things for them.
We all have urges for wanting to steal, kill, rape, murder, do gay acts, God says NO don't do that. God says gay sex is abomination, well actually says that only about men having sex.Women who do that are engaging in an illigitimate act,let's face it, isn't as bad as an abomination. So called Christians whining about God loves us all, yeah well God says NO and God says He hates this and He hates that. The Bible and Holy Quran say almost more about what He HATES than what He loves.
We all have urges for wanting to steal, kill, rape, murder, do gay acts, God says NO don't do that. God says gay sex is abomination, well actually says that only about men having sex.Women who do that are engaging in an illigitimate act,let's face it, isn't as bad as an abomination. So called Christians whining about God loves us all, yeah well God says NO and God says He hates this and He hates that. The Bible and Holy Quran say almost more about what He HATES than what He loves.
@LisaLisa2525ify "well actually says that only about men having sex."
Actually it says that about women too in Romans 1
"So called Christians whining about God loves us all"
It's not whining, it's called testimony and evangelism. The bible teaches on both good and bad. But this video has nothing to do with Christianity or any religion at all. it focuses on the genetics arguments.
@LisaLisa2525ify I'm guessing you learned most of the stuff you did about the Bible from the media or people who are criticizing it. That was an incredibly ignorant comment excepting the common sense part about everyone having urges.
the gays are a mislead group... I am gay but I'm not that kind of gay person... I don't buy genetic shit but let's be real and know the moment that those "fellow freedom lovers" that act like they care but the moment that find a gene, you bet they their left wing scientists will be finding a cure for it... I think there are a variety of differences as to why some people are or aren't... I personally don't give a fuck... I am happy, I don't have aids and I agree with a good portion of this...
@MrSpemat I think the majority of what you are saying as fact... I knew what a fag was before I knew I was one... there was never LOGO or the rest of the flamer media....
@MrSpemat Well, there is no gay gene. Agreed. However, there can be more than one gene involved. So genes, as in plural, are not out of the picture. And while Krazie is right, I do not agree with his intentions. All these simplifications he used are a strong indicator of a certain dislike of gays.
@Krazie316 Lol... the lifestyle is a simplification.. it is a sexual orientation, not a lifestyle. Gay people have several lifestyles. The diversity is just as great as with straight people. You might be willing to state that a celibate gay man, the grey sweater type of guy, and a promiscuous, extravagantly dressed gay guy have the same lifestyle, but I'm certainly not gonna join that purpose driven simplism you display here.
@Krazie316 So? Every sexual orientation is very likely at least partly the result of social factors. No exception made for hetero sexuality. So..what you actually are asking me, is to redo the whole theory by about sexual orientation. Well, science has accepted homosexuality as an orientation. Apparently homosexuality fits the current definition of a sexual orientation. So go argue with those nasty scientists, not with me. So what do you have, what proof, to argue against their conclusions?
@Ranokian I really don't care who accepts what...the bottom line is there is no argument. As I've told every other person trying to convince me otherwise,you're wasting my time and yours trying to argue about it here. Give proof or kick rocks because anything else is propaganda.
@Krazie316 You should know that scientist do not care about propaganda. You made an entire set of video's about the lack of the gay gene, and you are right, it is not there. You actually use information you can only have from scientific sources.. The funny thing is that you make video's about the misuse of science, and yet you do exactly the same, you deny when it suits you, you approve when it suits you. Ironic, you aren't any better then the gay activists you speak against.
@Ranokian I gotta put my two cents in here. Scientists can care about propaganda and jump on the band wagon when they have a personal or political agenda behind their actions. Scientists are after all still human beings and are not without the ability to tarnish their work with personal agenda because they're human. Humans are not perfect and scientists cannot be held on a pedistal as if they are gods based on this fact. They are not above being wrong at any time.
@Funnypandalonies True. They are human. However, in the end, science will correct itself. Theories are only valid until something better comes along. And I really do not believe that scientists are being told by the gays what to accept and what not to accept.
@Funnypandalonies It is good to criticize basically everything. That is I react to some posts here. I see convenient "truths" posted here. Scientists are human, true. But still, thanks to science own corrective nature, rotten apples will be removed. And it is still the best system to find facts. And science following agendas? Look at evolution theory. It is by far the most controversial theory that science ever produced. So if homosexuality is named an orientation, its a fair judgement.
All I have to say is, unless you're gay yourself you can't say that homosexuals choose this or not for you do not know. And if you are gay, then you're denying yourself or are victim to self hatred rather you admit to it or not. Case closed. No one except the people that are gay can testify to as if it is a choice or not. And studies have already shown it's not. Your argument is invalid.
@Krazie316 If it isn't a choice, then how can you say that people can change? Sure, people can change their behavior, but not their core being. So your argument is literally only skin deep? And the lifestyle.. come on... isn't that a bit of a simplification? You dont talk about hetero sexuality as a lifestyle, do you.
@Ranokian people can change because there is strong evidence it can be psycho/social over time. It has nothing to do with trying to separate behavior from this socalled core being as there is no proof it is innate.
@Krazie316 People can change, people just cant change everything at wish. What the so called ex gay movement shows is a behavior modification. The number of people who actually claim to be come straight is very, very small. In fact, they only way the ex gay movement can claim success is to play with the definitions of ex gay. I have never seen a movement that is so flexible with it the definition it creates for its own name. It is not the most honest movement out there, that's for sure.
@Ranokian I know several people who have been able to affect their sexuality through mental discipline. Of course propaganda would just tell you they were never gay in the first place.
A new growing theory is that our brain is shaped by both our thoughts and actions. Of course that removes the justification for homosexuality so those who support it have been trying to make sure the old theories are still spread around
@SurreallTV Homosexuality was removed from the DSM in 1973 and is no longer a mental illness. From your comments, I can see that you have some interesting, yet negative opinions about homosexuality, its causes and its place in society. I can also see from your boastful talk about working in the mental health field that you have very little respect for humanity. From this, I've drawn the conclusion that you have no place in the mental health field and we should aim to protect it from people like
Even if there is no gene, it doesn't mean its a process that can be influenced.There is something about what happens in the womb. And choice or not, what is it up to you? It does not affect you. In the end, you dont have real arguments.
The nerve.,.. the homosexual agenda itself is a lie, invented by the religious right. And the first thing this guy is talking about, are the lies from the other side. The irony, when the first thing he does is lying.
@Ranokian There is a homosexual agenda. It involves them pushing their propaganda in schools where it doesn't belong. There are no lies in this video all data debunks all claims brought forth in the video
@Krazie316 if you claim there is a homosexual agenda, prove it. Prove that all these gay organisations have exactly the same agenda. And with agenda i do not mean a common goal. Im really taking about a list of what to do, how to do it it, where to do it. In short: it is a coordinated plan, executed by several organisations, on multiple levels. That is an agenda, and not the common goal you talk about. And if you claim that exists, prove it. And if you cant, your gay agenda is just a lie.
@Ranokian It appears you're trolling every video on the topic of homosexuality posting the same fluff on every page...seriously lol. This video is on the topic of genetics, you clearly didn't have a case against it from gate, just your usual propaganda you're poating on everyone's video
@Krazie316 No, I dont do that. At your last video on this subject, I just posted a question why you bring up ex gay, since you are talking about someone leaving "the lifestyle" in that vid. So every comment is subject related. What is actually your point on homosexuality? You are not proving that becoming gay or being gay, however you like to see it, is a process or a fact that people can change. No gay gene, ok, but that doesn't rule out any other irreversible process or unchangeable fact.
@Ranokian I'll tell you like I told everyone else trying to spread their pro homosexual propaganda...When you find absolute proof, then come back. You're wasting my time and yours trying to convince me otherwise
@Krazie316 Prove it., You make a claim about an agenda, without willing to back it up. You make the claim, you prove it. I do not make any claims here. Prove that you are sincere, and that you are not here to make some vague arguments against gays based on something you cant prove. Willing to debate or looking for a cheap score using fallacies? Pick. Anyway, if your honest you will argue me, and not block me. Wait and see.
I do not understand what people have against homosexuality. It is just as logical as being against rain. It is part of nature, and while not all we see in nature is desired, homosexuality in itself is not negative, no matter what people say. It has given been given a negative meaning by mostly the religious, who are not willing to accept equality.
@Ranokian rejection of the homosexual lifestyle has nothing to do with equality firstly. Secondly homosexuality is not as natural as a rainy day. Any and all attempts to claim homosexuality in the animal kingdon always fall apart such as the so called homosexual penguins in San Francisco. They broke up when a female was brought, lol
@Krazie316 So? It is still recorded in 1500 species in the animal kingdom. There have been cases where male to male sex is preferred, despite the presents of willing female members of the same species. So lets stop the it is unnatural debate, it doesn't make any sense. After all, to assume that nature has intentions doesn't get us anywhere. Nature is just there, if we like it or not.
So we bring the subject back to equality. Why do you want to treat gay people different?
@Ranokian The animal kingdom argument has been thoroughly scrutinized even by other scientists because it is false to call the animals "homosexual as it is a term related to humans. Furthermore I made a video on that topic as well.
"Why do you want to treat gay people different? "
You're wasting my time...nobody is treating homosexuals different
@Krazie316 Well, you are treating homosexuality different. You speak about the lifestyle in vid 3. Why? Why use this simplification about a sexual orientation that is not defined by one single lifestyle? I do not see you treating hetero sexuality in the same way. So why the different treatments?
@Ranokian it's not an orientation untill it's proven. Now for the last time unless you have absolute proof you're wasting my time and will most certainly be blocked for trolling. proof or kick rocks...I don't have the time to sit and argue with you as I have with countless others on the same crap over and over again.
@Krazie316 It is up to you prove things. You try to move to burden of proof on me, clever but it wont work. You make claims about the gay agenda among others. You work with simplifications, obviously driven by (political) motivations to make homosexuality not equal to heterosexuality. And calling homosexuality something else than an sexual orientation fits right into your goal. It shows your lack of sincerity in this subject. It is seen as an orientation by social science, live with it.
@Krazie316 Sorry, but I never said that people are born that way. I do believe that it is something, a process, we do not have any control over. And if you talk about the gay agenda, where is your proof for it? But you have made 3 vids now.. About what you see as incorrect. My next question is: what causes homosexuality? Do you have any thoughts on that?
@Ranokian then explain those that spend the majority of thier life jumping in and out of homosexuality having relationships with both men and woman and admitting that they have loved both and aren't sure of either but won't make up their minds on it ever. I know gay men who have been openly gay, who found themselves attracted to woman randomly and couldn't explain why.
@Funnypandalonies O yeah I've been there. At some point I lost my interest in women. I never called myself gay in these days though. For me it was just a phase, I think. I'm not a scientist, but what I know from my own experience is that such period can be really confusing. And the way people act will reflect they way they feel. And maybe the development of human sexuality isn't as fixed as we think it is. Which doesn't mean we should try to "cure" people.
@Ranokian I point out you say interest. An interest is not part of genetics. There's a difference between instinct or genetic make up and personal interest. We can be interested in music, but we're not genetically made for that. We can prefer tacos over salad, that is not a genetic make up. Personal interest is not based on genetics, pure and simple. You are what you feed yourself when it comes to preferences. Not genetics.
@Funnypandalonies An interest can die out. I did not ask for that to happen, it happened in a process I could not steer in any way. There was no control. I'm not saying that this the way it is, this is what happened to me. And I'm fine with it.
@Ranokian Well, interest male or female can be lost no matter what preference you have. but again, it's still just an interest. I'm gonna say it again, the interest is only kept alive based on what you feed yourself. Just like porn addicts or addicts in and of themselves. you only are interested in what you feed yourself often. it's called feeding the addiction.
@Funnypandalonies So what you are saying is that sexual orientation is just an interest? If that is so, you can spark new interests. So in theory, you can become gay. Interesting.
@Ranokian Well, you made the comment that you "lost interest in woman". When people mention their sexual preference they often say they what they are "interested" in. Basically it's a mental focus. You search for what you like or what stimulates you. You can surpress/starv it till it's not there, or you can feed it and focus on it so much that it's the only thing you think about. which explains why some continually swing.
@Funnypandalonies Well it is not like I had a choice. I can only describe so much using words. First of all, I could not spark that interest ( for the lack of a better word) again. Thinking about it, orientation is a better word. Whatever you call it, it is on a level where I had no choice. I am where I am now, and it's fine. And btw, there are people out there who are simply bisexual. It has nothing to do with feeding interests or not.
@Ranokian Well, then explain why the homosexual community refuses to eccept the idea that there are bisexual people. If in fact it's a "gene" passed on from generation to generation. Are you to tell me there is then a bisexual "gene" leaving one to struggle with the idea that they cannot controll their sexual urges? And if so, why can one idea be accepted and the other not? Fact is, it is a choice. One that some make early on, and others don't.
@Ranokian Well, then explain why the homosexual community refuses to eccept the idea that there are bisexual people. If in fact it's a "gene" passed on from generation to generation. Are you to tell me there is then a bisexual "gene" leaving one to struggle with the idea that they cannot controll their sexual urges? And if so, why can one idea be accepted and the other not? Fact is, it is a choice. One that some make early on, and others don't.
@Ranokian Well, then explain why the homosexual community refuses to eccept the idea that there are bisexual people. If in fact it's a "gene" passed on from generation to generation. Are you to tell me there is then a bisexual "gene" leaving one to struggle with the idea that they cannot controll their sexual urges? And if so, why can one idea be accepted and the other not? Fact is, it is a choice. One that some make early on, and others don't.
So my thing is knowing that if you come to any conclusion that goes against homosexuality you'll be criticized & shunned. Would it surprise any of you that studies even if they prove that it's not genetic always have to leave a window open with words like "evidence, & Maybe". Got to keep your funding right? Otherwise your research will again be deemed Bigotted.
My question to all of this is how can you trust any of these studies in the first place when you know they're purposely going to be biased to try & make a case for homosexuality anyhow. In other words lets say you did an honest unbiased study & you came to the absolute conclusion Homosexuality is a phychological disorder and not genetic. How would you then be treated? we all know this PC world will call your study bigoted , flawed, homophobic etc
That study is a pretty big hint that there are genetic causes. I can't say whether it's all genetic or not, I have no idea, but there is obvious evidence that you seem to sweep to the side.
The most obvious thing you can do is ask people about their homosexuality. No amount of my looking at your chromosomes/ hair, etc will tell me that you're straight. Homosexuality is not easy to quantify/ measure.. You just have to go by what people tell you.
@neuroiq evidence is not proof. and the evidence you speak of is insignificant in that, as I pointed out, only SOME female relatives of gay men tend to have more children than average."
SOME not all.
and the rest of the quotes I brought forth.
"You just have to go by what people tell you."
Why not take the words of x homosexuals then? See how this works when you rake people's word for stuff. I need proof
@Krazie316 Did you use Google Scholar? No scientific article will just "some" they will give you exact numbers. You act like the articles are being vague, they have charts and explicit numbers. Read the article.
I don't think it will help you though, because you simply don't want to believe it. It would be like my denying that you were born a heterosexual and thinking that I could change you to be a homosexual. It's preposterous! Of course, if you really think about it, you can't prove that
@neuroiq as you end you useless commenting with an ad hominem attack, you have just failed lol. Im not ignorant because I wont take your word for it, that's being a skeptic. Untill you provide PROOF that's how its gonna be.
@Krazie316 It's not an ad hominem attack. It's an observation. I didn't call you a useless name. I did not direct a vituperative statement at you with no value.
Think about this though. What can you prove? You should try Descarte's Meditation experiment. I think you'll start to realize that the facts you know are not as easy to prove. Logic itself does not prove truths. The axioms necessary for a logical statement are all based on faith. And you obviously have faith that homosexuals are vile.
@neuroiq "It would be like my denying that you were born a heterosexual and thinking that I could change you to be a homosexual. It's preposterous! Of course, if you really think about it, you can't prove that"
The problem with that is, you CAN turn a heterosexual person GAY, and there IS proof of it. Can be done simply as a result of RAPE. Also, under certain living / environmental circumstances (like PRISON). And Prison and people (men AND women) turning gay while in prison, IS the proof
@neuroiq (pt 2) ALSO.....PROOF of heterosexuals turned GAY/ BI...later in life....is this UPRISING in FEMALE homo/ bisexuality, and EXPERIMENTING with it. And women beiing "BAR-SEXUALS" becoming gay and/or doing gay things at bars...to get attention from everyone else there.....
...And just women in general, now being OPEN to trying and "experimenting". This is also due to SOCIETAL conditions, if a society embrases or promotes, (and pushes it as a positive, benefitial) ANY behavior (no matter how harmful or dysfunctional the behavior) people will begin to engage in that behavior. People as a whole/ society....are SHEEPS,good or bad, they will follow whatever the leader says (just like children). Just the way it is. This is a FACT.
@SurreallTV Although people in prison do resort to homosexual relations, they usually would not self-identify as homosexuals. If you are repressing your homosexul feelings, quite possibly - you are gay. lol. Not everyone has homosexual feelings. Some people really do just like the opposite sex, and you can't change them.
@Krazie316 you are a heterosexual. I would just have to take your word for it. No amount of science can prove that, because there it is epistemologically impossible. The best you can find are trends, and you have to logically deduce the conclusion based on your premises. You however just dismiss evidence that's presented to you instead of critically thinking that you may be wrong.
@neuroiq all the evidence presented is weak. There is also a heavy group of x homosexuals that contradict what you say. GIVE PROOF, not weak evidence...until that day you're not going change my mind...in conclusion, you're wasting your time.
@neuroiq "The most obvious thing you can do is ask people about their homosexuality. No amount of my looking at your chromosomes/ hair, etc will tell me that you're straight. Homosexuality is not easy to quantify/ measure.. You just have to go by what people tell you."
I MUST comment on this too (EVERYONE READ THIS, IMPORTANT!). No, THAT is 100% incorrect. for 2 BIG reasons.
1- A homosexual actually dosnt know SHIT about sexual attraction, sexuality..and THEIR sexuality, they...
..They dont know SHIT, ALL they know is what they FEEL, and what they THINK, and what other cluelass ass people TOLD them. Asking a homosexual about their sexuality, in hope of gaining REAL knowledge and information, and causes and solutions.....is EXACTLY LIKE, going and asking a CANCER patient, about their case of cancer...in hopes of gaining knowledge, helping them with pain and curing them. YOU WONT LEARN SHIT!, just be even MORE confused. ..JUST becuase...
@SurreallTV haha. You sure seem to be very knowledgeable about homosexuality. I bet if you watched gay porn you'd become aroused. Try it. Most people that think there's a homosexual and are homophobic are themselves homosexuals. I'm sure you've heard that before. It's true! And there have been studies done on that, too. Stop lying to yourself and stop hating yourself. It's ok to be you. ;)
.....JUST because a person has CANCER (or any OTHER physical or mental illness), dosnt then magically make THEM an expert on that illness. I wish people would start thinking LOGICALLY AND RATIONALLY about this!.
2- SECOND big reason why you dont bank on asking this homosexual, is becuz....with this whole Gay movement and agenda we have now, if you go to a homosexual, and ask them about their homosexuality, and they know or even SUSPECT that you may be somehow who is.....
....if you go to a homosexual, and ask them about their homosexuality, and they know or even SUSPECT that you may be somehow who is.....AGAINST homosexuality. Guess what that homosexual will do? THEY...WILL....LIE!!!!. And they wll tell you they were born that way. (that statement ALONE is IMPOSSIBLE and shows their lack of knowledge of sexuality AND/OR shows that, that response and thinking was PROGRAMMED into/ TAUGHT, to them...becuz ...
..becuz, NOONE is "BORN" with ANY sexuality, Gay OR straight.....it DEVELOPES over time. And when a person developes under NORMAL/ HEALTHY (physical and psychological) conditions....developing heterosexual attractiona and identity, is what happens, that is the natural bi-product of Normal/ Healthy developement. In simpler terms, a CHILD does NOT have any sexual urges, dont even know "SEX" exists...and we ALL KNOW THIS. Becuz we were ALL CHILDREN before...
@SurreallTV You obviously have not studied genetics. Genetics program the release of hormones. They are what make you a man. You know testicles? They produce testosterone, and the sex-determining region on the Y chromosome is what programs their development. Science is based on determinism, the idea that EVERYTHING has a cause and effect. Which implies that there is no free will, whatsoever. What do you seriously think homosexuals are trying to do?
@neuroiq Let me tell you something...IDIOT lol. You are speaking to someone who actually works in the mental health field (and not only that, i happen to be VERY gifted in this field, i understand the human mind better then you could even imagine. nd being gifted in this field is VERY important becuz just going to school will NOT give you enough information to actually understand and progress the field).
@SurreallTV Your ad-hominem logic is irrelevant. I don't care if you're the pope, what you say is stupid, if you truly believe the things you spout, you need more help than any finite being can offer.
i was WAITING for you to bring religion/GOD into this, i didnt speak of either of the 2, not ONCE. But that is a TYPICAL response from a homo or homo-supporter, will resort to bringing religion or God into the convo, even when its never spoken of....and then try in insist that my reason for opposing homosexuality, is God/ Religion. (BECAUSE, they cant dispite the presented info) TYPICAL!. But NOPE, sorry
And I...or YOU, dont have to "beleive" what i said, becuz theyre FACTS.
...FACTS i say, again.....it dosnt matter if i..or you, beleives what i said, because they are FACTS. FACTS dont give 2 FUCKS wether or not someone likes them or aggrees with them and etc.....ether way they DONT, WILL NOT..and CAN not, change.
Ok, i just had to respond to those few things, wont be responding any more, it would be a waist of my time lol. Not even reading ur posts now, only posts from others. I wish you luck. Byebye
SO...do not waist ur time trying to "debate" me,especially with FAKE ass FACTS and FAKE ass "STUDIES" that are created by homosexuals themselves, and created by homo-supporters who creat and alter studies to spawn FAKE and FICTIONAL results, that will be benefitial towards homos. I'm BEYOND on to you people and know EVERY trick you attempt to play...BEFOR YOU PLAY IT. Now, our contact is over. Good luck.
****** TO EVEONE ELSE, MAKE SURE YOU SCROLL DOWN AND READ MY COMTS
Now.....in regards to Asking a homosexual, NO...instead of doing that.....what i've found, is that, the ONLY way to gain REAL information from homosexuals, about what they TRUELY think about their own specific cases of homosexuality...is to EASE-DROP and listen or watch, when they think they are ONLY talking amoungst OTHER HOMOSEXUALS. THENNN you start to hear some TRUTH!. And it is NOT what you hear them saying on TV and the Media.
Genetic experiments on fruit flies (drosophila melanogaster) has shown that scientists can change a fruit flies orientation by changing their genes. A lot of animals, especially giraffes and Japanese macaques, have homosexual behavior, suggesting that it is not a social development in only humans. A study in Padua, Italy has shown that the mothers of homosexuals tend to be more fertile, and the same results were found by another study, suggesting that homosexuality can have a genetic link.
@Krazie316 The fertility was compared to the average. It was a ratio, and the mothers of homosexual were more fertile.
You can google "mothers homosexual more fertile" and you'll get a lot of articles to what I'm referring to. Of course, this doesn't prove that homosexuality is caused by genes, but this is obviously implying a genetic cause. Also, twin studies also show a correlation (which, yes, does mean causation) but it's evidence for it.
I hate youtube for not allowing me to post links. :\
@neuroiq II think you grossly misrepresenting the study on fertility you're using: "A team of researchers found that some female relatives of gay men tend to have more children than average."
SOME not all.
"mothers, maternal aunts and maternal grandmothers of gay men are more fecund, or fruitful, than average."
There are also women who are more fuitful than average that do NOT have homosexual children.
@Krazie316 I honestly don't think you want to understand. I just watched your other video. I see more logical fallacies and your own biased interpretation.
Like you mentioned in your other video, you can only infer what animals do, but you can talk to humans and actually understand why they do things. I think you have a deeper epistemological problem with mistrust of others. Do you think I'm just lying for the sake of lying? That I'm evil for the sake of being evil? You should be more openminded
@neuroiq There logical arguments and points not logical fallacies. I gave definitions and all.
At this point I'd rather tale the word of the x homosexuals and be skeptical of studies that don't proove anything.
I'm open mineded, just not soo much my brain falls out.
I used not one biblical argument here for the sake of a secular argument. The bottom line is I see no proof for it being innate, genetic, and from birth
@Krazie316 No, this was in 2009, the article you read was in 2008. That's why it says "New Evidence." Other studies, since then, have found the same results. It's not perfect, of course, It's hard to get perfect harmony, especially with large populations, but it's worth looking into. I have to sleep and live and such. So, Good night.
I disagree. Most articles that I've read, and I've read lots. lol, seem to point to a biological cause. I myself do not feel like it is a choice. That is, I have an attraction to men that I do not consciously choose, just as you (probably) do not consciously choose to be attracted to women. Think about that. Did you consciously think: "Oh, I'm male, so I should like women.." during puberty and then started acting straight? Or was the attraction more natural, almost instinctive?
@neuroiq Dissagree all you want there's no irrefutable proof of this. I too have read MANY articles, each have fallen short. The routine error comes in the form that "not all homosexuals have this" or "some over half of heterosexual men also have that"....
I never said the feelings you experience are a choice, however acting on them is indeed a choice
@neuroiq Yes, but their are plenty of cases where people who claimed to have attraction to men said with mental training they were able to alter it. Of course, the argument from there always turns too "Well, they must have been straight in the first place" and it becomes a popularity contest for theories.
Either way its irresponsible to believe things are out of your control
@0Maloy1 The American Psychological Association (APA) actually tells people that those conversions therapy are not recommended, since it's been found that they are harmful to individuals. And any honest, licensed psychologist would not claim that they can convert a homosexual.
@neuroiq Never claimed it was done by psychologists. I said people trained themselves. The reason it is not recommended is because how little we actually know for a fact when it comes to the human mind. It is such a sensitive misty area that most people would advise you to not do anything without a professional, who in reality just know a lot in a field that has very little actually to it.
I encourage people to pursue some form of mental discipline or training such as how the Buddhist monks do.
My point is that you do not "dismantle ALL arguments on the genetic level." You did not give a disproof. All your saying is the evidence that you've presented does not directly prove that homosexuality is genetic. Quite frankly no one knows one way or the other. I am a homosexual, by the by - and I do believe that it is genetic/ hormonal, but I cannot prove it either way. A growing amount of evidence though has amassed in favor of homosexuality being biological in origin. And by the way...
@neuroiq My point in the video is I DID dismantle all arguments presented to me. This video is old. if you're trying to bring forth new stuff it has no basis on the claims in this video due to it's time.
"All your saying is the evidence that you've presented does not directly prove that homosexuality is genetic."
That's painfully obvious...
"and I do believe that it is genetic/ hormonal" There's no proof for it
@Krazie316 Concerning your dismantling of arguments: You did not show that homosexuality is NOT genetic, therefore you can't say that you defeated. You put forward a lie that says that it doesn't exist because "scientists" and "doctors" say so, but like I said, no one knows how all the genes work. We can count base pairs and map them, sure, but we don't know what they mean. So you didn't dismantle anything.
@neuroiq Concearning dismantling arguments, I DID show that the studies used against me were not accurate enough to be used as evidence because there too much error in thim and they cannot be reproduced by other scientists. I don't have to disprove it's genetic to say I dismantled the arguments that were used against me. All the arguments I addressed in this video were used against me and all were taken down thusly dismantling them.
Uhh.. I don't know if you know this, but we don't know what most genes actually do. Saying that there is no gay gene or gene(s) (which is a more likely idea) is (at this point impossible), unless you're willing to admit that we do know what every gene in the human genome represents and what its function is. A lack of evidence does not imply a proof of non-existence, nor does it imply the opposite. This is basic logic. And by the way - there are many articles that point to a genetic link. Ask me.
@neuroiq Uhh..actually I said there's no evidence of a genetic case. nobody said it IS NOT the case. I hold that there is more ev idence of a psycho/social argument than a genetic one.
Although people keep trying to assert polygenics, there's also no evidence for that either.
So let me get this right....Some men are born with the desire to procreate with an individuals that are unable to conceive. Yep sounds pretty logical to me...
Other people on this video have already covered why being Gay in itself is in question, there have also been studies showing it is very possible to control ones sexual attraction towards others.
There have been studies on identical twins where one sibling is gay while the other is not. If homosexuality was indeed genetic, then both siblings would be gay in all identical twins being that they have the same DNA. This implies that there is no "gay gene".
Continued - i meant to say being gay isnt genetic, its simply an under development of the fetuses brain due to hormone suppression. I think you could compare being gay to being like a disability - the instinct for reproduction just isnt there. But the fact gays are wanting special treatment these days, and feminists want to give it to them has to be fought. Its just gays seeking privilege - me me me me me!!!
Being gay isnt a choice, but it is explainable. Its caused by hormone supression in the womb before birth. Sometimes the mothers imune system suppresses the testosterone generated by a male fetus, and when this happens the hypothalamus (part of the brain that governs sexuality) on develops to the size it would in a heterosexual woman. As a result you get a male who is born with sexual attraction to other males. Its all very simple really. But yes there is a bit of a gay agenda these days!
@dafty97 I agree its not a choice to have the feelings, however there's no proof for the hormone argument either. In fact the INAH3 in the hypothalamus doesn't explain sexuality as drug abusing heterosexuals had the same sizes INAH3 as homosexuals. Likewise Levay who conducted that study, some of his homosexuals were really heterosexuals and vice versa.
@Krazie316 Thanks, i didnt know about that study, but i always found the hormone explanation more plausable than a genetic explanation. Anyway whatever the reason they still dont deserve special treatment and privilege. I dont care what people do in their own bedroom, but if they try to impose their lives on me then i will fight back
@Krazie316 My point is still valid within the context of your comment. Just because there is irrefutable proof on a topic, does not mean that people will accept it. I was neither promoting nor putting down the idea of genetics.
@Sean1Sullivan It's not a valid point because there really is NO irrefutable proof of it. if it could be shown homosexuality was genetic there can be no real argument.
@Krazie316 I know several people who have learned how to control their sexual attraction to the point where they feel absolutely NO attraction to others, I myself decided to try and learn out of curiosity and was able to do it.
I have not tried it, but I think in theory it would be possible to make it go to the entirely opposite spectrum and be attracted to the same gender.
@0Maloy1 Well the fact that some people end up changing their preference halfway through their life either way is evidence in my book that it could be psychological/social factors
@Krazie316 yeah, point taken, even as a Christian the only thing that really BOTHERS me about homosexuals is that, they know what they are doing is illogical, and so, they try to appeal to emotion saying its love and stuff, even though homosexual by its very definition is to be physically attracted to the same gender not in love with, which is homoromantic.
Its good to see someone who is willing to stand up to the Gay Agenda! Lady GaGa's song born this way is designed to change societys views on Gays being born this way. ITs good to see a counter arguement for once. Thank you for the time you put into the research of this video.
Good for you to confront this issue! Homosexuality is a choice and a matter of perversion. It is a affront to our creator and assaults society with their wreckless activities!
we do provided logical evidence that corresponds with natrual processes. We offer various explainations.. The reality of the science is that we can never be 100% accurate, but we can work to be pretty fucking close to a good answer.
we do provided logical evidence that corresponds with natrual processes. We offer various explainations.. The reality of the science is that we can never be 100% accurate, but we can work to be pretty fucking close to a good answer.
The explanation you offered is not close to a good answer though because a change in hormones does not automatically conclude a change in preference, just mood and physical attributes
having reasonable assumptions is better then jumping to conclusions, assuming that one of the most unorganized groups in the world has any interest in conquering its is a huge gap in logic. Having the best guess is better then having the next guess. I can't people who go against any notion based on social prejudices without even considering or testing against its possibility. you dismiss the argument, but at the same time you don't off a validateable reason to why it IS present.
That said, the reasoning that i have behind it is that a huge part of sexual attraction is hormonal. yes there are varying other factors, of all of it hormones play the biggest roll.
or maybe *alter might not even be the best way to describe it. It could very well be that, hormonal conditioning is what gives a child their orientation. which would explain why sexuality not inherently present post-puberty, as it it is not geneologicly set.
You understand what happens to a male that takes estrogen supplements correct? Their fully development physical structure begins to act in accordance with what normally happens in women. Although it doesn't directly affect that males orientation, it does cause some femmenet traits to surface. That considered, what happeneds to a developing fetus when it is exposed to certain hormonal levels? estrogen may essentialy alter the childs hormone based attractions.
News Flash: Homosexuality is not present in genetics, Thus is why there is no gene for it. It the hormonal imbalance that occurs in the mother to the fetus. Its a sensitive process, as any any forced hormonal shifts could disfigure the child. but ou would do that anyway right? its fucking wity the laws of nature.
@Manguneshane "Not present in genetics" many will beg to differ and dissagree with you
"Occurs in the mother to the fetus" no proof shows it's hormonal as not all mother's with the high level of the hormone, "supposed" to" cause homosexuality, have homosexual kids
I agree with you totally Krazie316. Simply put, the fact is...if there was a gay gene....then it came from straight parents who made those babies, who grew and became gay? Doesnt add up, unless "Gay gene people" are saying that deep down everyone has homosexual tendencies whether they admit them or not. That doesnt add up either, because all they complain about is that being gay is abomination...truly...we gotta break down the fake words of their hate-mongering God to clarify things for them.
TheMasculinist 4 hours ago
This has been flagged as spam show
We all have urges for wanting to steal, kill, rape, murder, do gay acts, God says NO don't do that. God says gay sex is abomination, well actually says that only about men having sex.Women who do that are engaging in an illigitimate act,let's face it, isn't as bad as an abomination. So called Christians whining about God loves us all, yeah well God says NO and God says He hates this and He hates that. The Bible and Holy Quran say almost more about what He HATES than what He loves.
LisaLisa2525ify 2 days ago
We all have urges for wanting to steal, kill, rape, murder, do gay acts, God says NO don't do that. God says gay sex is abomination, well actually says that only about men having sex.Women who do that are engaging in an illigitimate act,let's face it, isn't as bad as an abomination. So called Christians whining about God loves us all, yeah well God says NO and God says He hates this and He hates that. The Bible and Holy Quran say almost more about what He HATES than what He loves.
LisaLisa2525ify 2 days ago
@LisaLisa2525ify "well actually says that only about men having sex."
Actually it says that about women too in Romans 1
"So called Christians whining about God loves us all"
It's not whining, it's called testimony and evangelism. The bible teaches on both good and bad. But this video has nothing to do with Christianity or any religion at all. it focuses on the genetics arguments.
Krazie316 2 days ago
@LisaLisa2525ify I'm guessing you learned most of the stuff you did about the Bible from the media or people who are criticizing it. That was an incredibly ignorant comment excepting the common sense part about everyone having urges.
0Maloy1 2 days ago
Thank you sir. Another individual willing to take a stand. Peace be with you.
TruthCeeker333 1 week ago
the gays are a mislead group... I am gay but I'm not that kind of gay person... I don't buy genetic shit but let's be real and know the moment that those "fellow freedom lovers" that act like they care but the moment that find a gene, you bet they their left wing scientists will be finding a cure for it... I think there are a variety of differences as to why some people are or aren't... I personally don't give a fuck... I am happy, I don't have aids and I agree with a good portion of this...
MrSpemat 3 weeks ago
@MrSpemat I think the majority of what you are saying as fact... I knew what a fag was before I knew I was one... there was never LOGO or the rest of the flamer media....
MrSpemat 3 weeks ago
@MrSpemat Well, there is no gay gene. Agreed. However, there can be more than one gene involved. So genes, as in plural, are not out of the picture. And while Krazie is right, I do not agree with his intentions. All these simplifications he used are a strong indicator of a certain dislike of gays.
Ranokian 3 weeks ago
@Ranokian there are no simplification s only a strong debunking of every study used as evidence for the lifestyle.
Krazie316 3 weeks ago
Comment removed
Ranokian 3 weeks ago
@Krazie316 Lol... the lifestyle is a simplification.. it is a sexual orientation, not a lifestyle. Gay people have several lifestyles. The diversity is just as great as with straight people. You might be willing to state that a celibate gay man, the grey sweater type of guy, and a promiscuous, extravagantly dressed gay guy have the same lifestyle, but I'm certainly not gonna join that purpose driven simplism you display here.
Ranokian 3 weeks ago
@Ranokian until you provide proof you can't claim its an orientation. Especially when theirs evidence it can be psycho/social
Krazie316 3 weeks ago
@Krazie316 So? Every sexual orientation is very likely at least partly the result of social factors. No exception made for hetero sexuality. So..what you actually are asking me, is to redo the whole theory by about sexual orientation. Well, science has accepted homosexuality as an orientation. Apparently homosexuality fits the current definition of a sexual orientation. So go argue with those nasty scientists, not with me. So what do you have, what proof, to argue against their conclusions?
Ranokian 3 weeks ago
@Ranokian I really don't care who accepts what...the bottom line is there is no argument. As I've told every other person trying to convince me otherwise,you're wasting my time and yours trying to argue about it here. Give proof or kick rocks because anything else is propaganda.
Krazie316 3 weeks ago
@Krazie316 You should know that scientist do not care about propaganda. You made an entire set of video's about the lack of the gay gene, and you are right, it is not there. You actually use information you can only have from scientific sources.. The funny thing is that you make video's about the misuse of science, and yet you do exactly the same, you deny when it suits you, you approve when it suits you. Ironic, you aren't any better then the gay activists you speak against.
Ranokian 3 weeks ago
@Ranokian I'm not misusing science. You can't make a claim that something is an orientation and have absolutely no proof of it, PERIOD!!!
Scientists always have disagreements.
Bottom line, no proof, kick rocks, end of discussion with me
Krazie316 3 weeks ago
@Ranokian I gotta put my two cents in here. Scientists can care about propaganda and jump on the band wagon when they have a personal or political agenda behind their actions. Scientists are after all still human beings and are not without the ability to tarnish their work with personal agenda because they're human. Humans are not perfect and scientists cannot be held on a pedistal as if they are gods based on this fact. They are not above being wrong at any time.
Funnypandalonies 3 weeks ago
@Funnypandalonies True. They are human. However, in the end, science will correct itself. Theories are only valid until something better comes along. And I really do not believe that scientists are being told by the gays what to accept and what not to accept.
Ranokian 3 weeks ago
@Ranokian no, but they can be told by politics to do so. be very careful what you accept from "leading scientists" in any mag or news report.
Funnypandalonies 3 weeks ago
@Funnypandalonies It is good to criticize basically everything. That is I react to some posts here. I see convenient "truths" posted here. Scientists are human, true. But still, thanks to science own corrective nature, rotten apples will be removed. And it is still the best system to find facts. And science following agendas? Look at evolution theory. It is by far the most controversial theory that science ever produced. So if homosexuality is named an orientation, its a fair judgement.
Ranokian 3 weeks ago
All I have to say is, unless you're gay yourself you can't say that homosexuals choose this or not for you do not know. And if you are gay, then you're denying yourself or are victim to self hatred rather you admit to it or not. Case closed. No one except the people that are gay can testify to as if it is a choice or not. And studies have already shown it's not. Your argument is invalid.
HardTranceMage19 4 weeks ago
This completely ignores those who are no longer in the lifestyle. the case is NOT closed as the answer has not yet been found.
Furthermore you're not even making a valid counter argument as I never said it was a choice, therefore it's your argument that's invalid
Krazie316 3 weeks ago
@Krazie316 If it isn't a choice, then how can you say that people can change? Sure, people can change their behavior, but not their core being. So your argument is literally only skin deep? And the lifestyle.. come on... isn't that a bit of a simplification? You dont talk about hetero sexuality as a lifestyle, do you.
Ranokian 3 weeks ago
@Ranokian people can change because there is strong evidence it can be psycho/social over time. It has nothing to do with trying to separate behavior from this socalled core being as there is no proof it is innate.
Krazie316 3 weeks ago
@Krazie316 People can change, people just cant change everything at wish. What the so called ex gay movement shows is a behavior modification. The number of people who actually claim to be come straight is very, very small. In fact, they only way the ex gay movement can claim success is to play with the definitions of ex gay. I have never seen a movement that is so flexible with it the definition it creates for its own name. It is not the most honest movement out there, that's for sure.
Ranokian 3 weeks ago
@Ranokian fact is people change either way half way through their life. There is no denting this and any and all criticizing of this is denial
Krazie316 3 weeks ago
@Ranokian I know several people who have been able to affect their sexuality through mental discipline. Of course propaganda would just tell you they were never gay in the first place.
A new growing theory is that our brain is shaped by both our thoughts and actions. Of course that removes the justification for homosexuality so those who support it have been trying to make sure the old theories are still spread around
0Maloy1 3 weeks ago
@HardTranceMage19 Another example of a victim of the extensive propaganda shown on the media and internet.
0Maloy1 3 weeks ago
@SurreallTV ...and we should aim to protect it from people like you. Hopefully, I'm wrong about the assumptions I've made. If so, please correct me.
TheWizzardOfRandom 1 month ago
@SurreallTV Homosexuality was removed from the DSM in 1973 and is no longer a mental illness. From your comments, I can see that you have some interesting, yet negative opinions about homosexuality, its causes and its place in society. I can also see from your boastful talk about working in the mental health field that you have very little respect for humanity. From this, I've drawn the conclusion that you have no place in the mental health field and we should aim to protect it from people like
TheWizzardOfRandom 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Even if there is no gene, it doesn't mean its a process that can be influenced.There is something about what happens in the womb. And choice or not, what is it up to you? It does not affect you. In the end, you dont have real arguments.
Ranokian 1 month ago
Comment removed
Ranokian 1 month ago
The nerve.,.. the homosexual agenda itself is a lie, invented by the religious right. And the first thing this guy is talking about, are the lies from the other side. The irony, when the first thing he does is lying.
Ranokian 1 month ago
@Ranokian There is a homosexual agenda. It involves them pushing their propaganda in schools where it doesn't belong. There are no lies in this video all data debunks all claims brought forth in the video
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 if you claim there is a homosexual agenda, prove it. Prove that all these gay organisations have exactly the same agenda. And with agenda i do not mean a common goal. Im really taking about a list of what to do, how to do it it, where to do it. In short: it is a coordinated plan, executed by several organisations, on multiple levels. That is an agenda, and not the common goal you talk about. And if you claim that exists, prove it. And if you cant, your gay agenda is just a lie.
Ranokian 1 month ago
@Ranokian It appears you're trolling every video on the topic of homosexuality posting the same fluff on every page...seriously lol. This video is on the topic of genetics, you clearly didn't have a case against it from gate, just your usual propaganda you're poating on everyone's video
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 No, I dont do that. At your last video on this subject, I just posted a question why you bring up ex gay, since you are talking about someone leaving "the lifestyle" in that vid. So every comment is subject related. What is actually your point on homosexuality? You are not proving that becoming gay or being gay, however you like to see it, is a process or a fact that people can change. No gay gene, ok, but that doesn't rule out any other irreversible process or unchangeable fact.
Ranokian 1 month ago
@Ranokian I'll tell you like I told everyone else trying to spread their pro homosexual propaganda...When you find absolute proof, then come back. You're wasting my time and yours trying to convince me otherwise
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 Prove it., You make a claim about an agenda, without willing to back it up. You make the claim, you prove it. I do not make any claims here. Prove that you are sincere, and that you are not here to make some vague arguments against gays based on something you cant prove. Willing to debate or looking for a cheap score using fallacies? Pick. Anyway, if your honest you will argue me, and not block me. Wait and see.
Ranokian 1 month ago
@Ranokian I already explained the agenda in my first post, I'm not going to repeat myself
Krazie316 1 month ago
I do not understand what people have against homosexuality. It is just as logical as being against rain. It is part of nature, and while not all we see in nature is desired, homosexuality in itself is not negative, no matter what people say. It has given been given a negative meaning by mostly the religious, who are not willing to accept equality.
Ranokian 1 month ago
@Ranokian rejection of the homosexual lifestyle has nothing to do with equality firstly. Secondly homosexuality is not as natural as a rainy day. Any and all attempts to claim homosexuality in the animal kingdon always fall apart such as the so called homosexual penguins in San Francisco. They broke up when a female was brought, lol
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 So? It is still recorded in 1500 species in the animal kingdom. There have been cases where male to male sex is preferred, despite the presents of willing female members of the same species. So lets stop the it is unnatural debate, it doesn't make any sense. After all, to assume that nature has intentions doesn't get us anywhere. Nature is just there, if we like it or not.
So we bring the subject back to equality. Why do you want to treat gay people different?
Ranokian 1 month ago
@Ranokian The animal kingdom argument has been thoroughly scrutinized even by other scientists because it is false to call the animals "homosexual as it is a term related to humans. Furthermore I made a video on that topic as well.
"Why do you want to treat gay people different? "
You're wasting my time...nobody is treating homosexuals different
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 Well, you are treating homosexuality different. You speak about the lifestyle in vid 3. Why? Why use this simplification about a sexual orientation that is not defined by one single lifestyle? I do not see you treating hetero sexuality in the same way. So why the different treatments?
Ranokian 1 month ago
@Ranokian it's not an orientation untill it's proven. Now for the last time unless you have absolute proof you're wasting my time and will most certainly be blocked for trolling. proof or kick rocks...I don't have the time to sit and argue with you as I have with countless others on the same crap over and over again.
In the end...Proof or move along
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 It is up to you prove things. You try to move to burden of proof on me, clever but it wont work. You make claims about the gay agenda among others. You work with simplifications, obviously driven by (political) motivations to make homosexuality not equal to heterosexuality. And calling homosexuality something else than an sexual orientation fits right into your goal. It shows your lack of sincerity in this subject. It is seen as an orientation by social science, live with it.
Ranokian 1 month ago
@Ranokian No the burden of proof is on YOU kats. I'm not the one claiming homosexuality is in born and innate, you guys are, I merely gave rebuttals.
Last chance
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 Sorry, but I never said that people are born that way. I do believe that it is something, a process, we do not have any control over. And if you talk about the gay agenda, where is your proof for it? But you have made 3 vids now.. About what you see as incorrect. My next question is: what causes homosexuality? Do you have any thoughts on that?
Ranokian 1 month ago
@Ranokian then explain those that spend the majority of thier life jumping in and out of homosexuality having relationships with both men and woman and admitting that they have loved both and aren't sure of either but won't make up their minds on it ever. I know gay men who have been openly gay, who found themselves attracted to woman randomly and couldn't explain why.
Funnypandalonies 3 weeks ago
@Funnypandalonies O yeah I've been there. At some point I lost my interest in women. I never called myself gay in these days though. For me it was just a phase, I think. I'm not a scientist, but what I know from my own experience is that such period can be really confusing. And the way people act will reflect they way they feel. And maybe the development of human sexuality isn't as fixed as we think it is. Which doesn't mean we should try to "cure" people.
Ranokian 3 weeks ago
@Ranokian I point out you say interest. An interest is not part of genetics. There's a difference between instinct or genetic make up and personal interest. We can be interested in music, but we're not genetically made for that. We can prefer tacos over salad, that is not a genetic make up. Personal interest is not based on genetics, pure and simple. You are what you feed yourself when it comes to preferences. Not genetics.
Funnypandalonies 3 weeks ago
@Funnypandalonies An interest can die out. I did not ask for that to happen, it happened in a process I could not steer in any way. There was no control. I'm not saying that this the way it is, this is what happened to me. And I'm fine with it.
Ranokian 3 weeks ago
@Ranokian Well, interest male or female can be lost no matter what preference you have. but again, it's still just an interest. I'm gonna say it again, the interest is only kept alive based on what you feed yourself. Just like porn addicts or addicts in and of themselves. you only are interested in what you feed yourself often. it's called feeding the addiction.
Funnypandalonies 3 weeks ago
@Funnypandalonies So what you are saying is that sexual orientation is just an interest? If that is so, you can spark new interests. So in theory, you can become gay. Interesting.
Ranokian 3 weeks ago
@Ranokian Well, you made the comment that you "lost interest in woman". When people mention their sexual preference they often say they what they are "interested" in. Basically it's a mental focus. You search for what you like or what stimulates you. You can surpress/starv it till it's not there, or you can feed it and focus on it so much that it's the only thing you think about. which explains why some continually swing.
Funnypandalonies 3 weeks ago
@Funnypandalonies Well it is not like I had a choice. I can only describe so much using words. First of all, I could not spark that interest ( for the lack of a better word) again. Thinking about it, orientation is a better word. Whatever you call it, it is on a level where I had no choice. I am where I am now, and it's fine. And btw, there are people out there who are simply bisexual. It has nothing to do with feeding interests or not.
Ranokian 3 weeks ago
@Ranokian Well, then explain why the homosexual community refuses to eccept the idea that there are bisexual people. If in fact it's a "gene" passed on from generation to generation. Are you to tell me there is then a bisexual "gene" leaving one to struggle with the idea that they cannot controll their sexual urges? And if so, why can one idea be accepted and the other not? Fact is, it is a choice. One that some make early on, and others don't.
Funnypandalonies 3 weeks ago
@Ranokian Well, then explain why the homosexual community refuses to eccept the idea that there are bisexual people. If in fact it's a "gene" passed on from generation to generation. Are you to tell me there is then a bisexual "gene" leaving one to struggle with the idea that they cannot controll their sexual urges? And if so, why can one idea be accepted and the other not? Fact is, it is a choice. One that some make early on, and others don't.
Funnypandalonies 3 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@Ranokian Well, then explain why the homosexual community refuses to eccept the idea that there are bisexual people. If in fact it's a "gene" passed on from generation to generation. Are you to tell me there is then a bisexual "gene" leaving one to struggle with the idea that they cannot controll their sexual urges? And if so, why can one idea be accepted and the other not? Fact is, it is a choice. One that some make early on, and others don't.
Funnypandalonies 3 weeks ago
@Ranokian BTW, if you want to call it an "orientation" then you agree with the idea that is something you are trained to do from the beginning.
Funnypandalonies 3 weeks ago
@Funnypandalonies that is the worst argument ever. "orientation" is referring to a person's internal, genetic structure you moron. haha.
ShatteredOnes92 4 days ago
@ShatteredOnes92 ah, no, not according to my dictionary. it's one of the meanings, but look at all of them.
Funnypandalonies 3 days ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@Ranokian BTW, if you want to call it an "orientation" then you agree with the idea that is something you are trained to do from the beginning.
Funnypandalonies 3 weeks ago
Hey dood i like the Knuckles song.
XBlackWolf10 1 month ago
So my thing is knowing that if you come to any conclusion that goes against homosexuality you'll be criticized & shunned. Would it surprise any of you that studies even if they prove that it's not genetic always have to leave a window open with words like "evidence, & Maybe". Got to keep your funding right? Otherwise your research will again be deemed Bigotted.
EricSuede 1 month ago
My question to all of this is how can you trust any of these studies in the first place when you know they're purposely going to be biased to try & make a case for homosexuality anyhow. In other words lets say you did an honest unbiased study & you came to the absolute conclusion Homosexuality is a phychological disorder and not genetic. How would you then be treated? we all know this PC world will call your study bigoted , flawed, homophobic etc
EricSuede 1 month ago
That study is a pretty big hint that there are genetic causes. I can't say whether it's all genetic or not, I have no idea, but there is obvious evidence that you seem to sweep to the side.
The most obvious thing you can do is ask people about their homosexuality. No amount of my looking at your chromosomes/ hair, etc will tell me that you're straight. Homosexuality is not easy to quantify/ measure.. You just have to go by what people tell you.
Have faith in people!
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq evidence is not proof. and the evidence you speak of is insignificant in that, as I pointed out, only SOME female relatives of gay men tend to have more children than average."
SOME not all.
and the rest of the quotes I brought forth.
"You just have to go by what people tell you."
Why not take the words of x homosexuals then? See how this works when you rake people's word for stuff. I need proof
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 Did you use Google Scholar? No scientific article will just "some" they will give you exact numbers. You act like the articles are being vague, they have charts and explicit numbers. Read the article.
I don't think it will help you though, because you simply don't want to believe it. It would be like my denying that you were born a heterosexual and thinking that I could change you to be a homosexual. It's preposterous! Of course, if you really think about it, you can't prove that
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq look, if you want to make a point YOU cite the source. Its not my job to prove your claim.
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 Continue in your ignorance. *hugs* Maybe if I hug you I can turn you gay. ;)
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq as you end you useless commenting with an ad hominem attack, you have just failed lol. Im not ignorant because I wont take your word for it, that's being a skeptic. Untill you provide PROOF that's how its gonna be.
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 It's not an ad hominem attack. It's an observation. I didn't call you a useless name. I did not direct a vituperative statement at you with no value.
Think about this though. What can you prove? You should try Descarte's Meditation experiment. I think you'll start to realize that the facts you know are not as easy to prove. Logic itself does not prove truths. The axioms necessary for a logical statement are all based on faith. And you obviously have faith that homosexuals are vile.
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq "It would be like my denying that you were born a heterosexual and thinking that I could change you to be a homosexual. It's preposterous! Of course, if you really think about it, you can't prove that"
The problem with that is, you CAN turn a heterosexual person GAY, and there IS proof of it. Can be done simply as a result of RAPE. Also, under certain living / environmental circumstances (like PRISON). And Prison and people (men AND women) turning gay while in prison, IS the proof
SurreallTV 1 month ago
@neuroiq (pt 2) ALSO.....PROOF of heterosexuals turned GAY/ BI...later in life....is this UPRISING in FEMALE homo/ bisexuality, and EXPERIMENTING with it. And women beiing "BAR-SEXUALS" becoming gay and/or doing gay things at bars...to get attention from everyone else there.....
SurreallTV 1 month ago
@neuroiq (pt 3)
...And just women in general, now being OPEN to trying and "experimenting". This is also due to SOCIETAL conditions, if a society embrases or promotes, (and pushes it as a positive, benefitial) ANY behavior (no matter how harmful or dysfunctional the behavior) people will begin to engage in that behavior. People as a whole/ society....are SHEEPS,good or bad, they will follow whatever the leader says (just like children). Just the way it is. This is a FACT.
SurreallTV 1 month ago
@SurreallTV Although people in prison do resort to homosexual relations, they usually would not self-identify as homosexuals. If you are repressing your homosexul feelings, quite possibly - you are gay. lol. Not everyone has homosexual feelings. Some people really do just like the opposite sex, and you can't change them.
neuroiq 1 month ago
@Krazie316 you are a heterosexual. I would just have to take your word for it. No amount of science can prove that, because there it is epistemologically impossible. The best you can find are trends, and you have to logically deduce the conclusion based on your premises. You however just dismiss evidence that's presented to you instead of critically thinking that you may be wrong.
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq all the evidence presented is weak. There is also a heavy group of x homosexuals that contradict what you say. GIVE PROOF, not weak evidence...until that day you're not going change my mind...in conclusion, you're wasting your time.
Krazie316 1 month ago
@neuroiq "The most obvious thing you can do is ask people about their homosexuality. No amount of my looking at your chromosomes/ hair, etc will tell me that you're straight. Homosexuality is not easy to quantify/ measure.. You just have to go by what people tell you."
I MUST comment on this too (EVERYONE READ THIS, IMPORTANT!). No, THAT is 100% incorrect. for 2 BIG reasons.
1- A homosexual actually dosnt know SHIT about sexual attraction, sexuality..and THEIR sexuality, they...
SurreallTV 1 month ago
@neuroiq (pt2)
..They dont know SHIT, ALL they know is what they FEEL, and what they THINK, and what other cluelass ass people TOLD them. Asking a homosexual about their sexuality, in hope of gaining REAL knowledge and information, and causes and solutions.....is EXACTLY LIKE, going and asking a CANCER patient, about their case of cancer...in hopes of gaining knowledge, helping them with pain and curing them. YOU WONT LEARN SHIT!, just be even MORE confused. ..JUST becuase...
SurreallTV 1 month ago
@SurreallTV haha. You sure seem to be very knowledgeable about homosexuality. I bet if you watched gay porn you'd become aroused. Try it. Most people that think there's a homosexual and are homophobic are themselves homosexuals. I'm sure you've heard that before. It's true! And there have been studies done on that, too. Stop lying to yourself and stop hating yourself. It's ok to be you. ;)
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq (pt 3)
.....JUST because a person has CANCER (or any OTHER physical or mental illness), dosnt then magically make THEM an expert on that illness. I wish people would start thinking LOGICALLY AND RATIONALLY about this!.
2- SECOND big reason why you dont bank on asking this homosexual, is becuz....with this whole Gay movement and agenda we have now, if you go to a homosexual, and ask them about their homosexuality, and they know or even SUSPECT that you may be somehow who is.....
SurreallTV 1 month ago
@neuroiq (pt 4)
....if you go to a homosexual, and ask them about their homosexuality, and they know or even SUSPECT that you may be somehow who is.....AGAINST homosexuality. Guess what that homosexual will do? THEY...WILL....LIE!!!!. And they wll tell you they were born that way. (that statement ALONE is IMPOSSIBLE and shows their lack of knowledge of sexuality AND/OR shows that, that response and thinking was PROGRAMMED into/ TAUGHT, to them...becuz ...
SurreallTV 1 month ago
@SurreallTV Dude, you are insane. lmao. I love you though. *hugs* :)
neuroiq 1 month ago
@SurreallTV (pt 5)
..becuz, NOONE is "BORN" with ANY sexuality, Gay OR straight.....it DEVELOPES over time. And when a person developes under NORMAL/ HEALTHY (physical and psychological) conditions....developing heterosexual attractiona and identity, is what happens, that is the natural bi-product of Normal/ Healthy developement. In simpler terms, a CHILD does NOT have any sexual urges, dont even know "SEX" exists...and we ALL KNOW THIS. Becuz we were ALL CHILDREN before...
SurreallTV 1 month ago
@SurreallTV You obviously have not studied genetics. Genetics program the release of hormones. They are what make you a man. You know testicles? They produce testosterone, and the sex-determining region on the Y chromosome is what programs their development. Science is based on determinism, the idea that EVERYTHING has a cause and effect. Which implies that there is no free will, whatsoever. What do you seriously think homosexuals are trying to do?
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq Let me tell you something...IDIOT lol. You are speaking to someone who actually works in the mental health field (and not only that, i happen to be VERY gifted in this field, i understand the human mind better then you could even imagine. nd being gifted in this field is VERY important becuz just going to school will NOT give you enough information to actually understand and progress the field).
So...
SurreallTV 1 month ago
@SurreallTV Your ad-hominem logic is irrelevant. I don't care if you're the pope, what you say is stupid, if you truly believe the things you spout, you need more help than any finite being can offer.
Ask God for help.
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq
i was WAITING for you to bring religion/GOD into this, i didnt speak of either of the 2, not ONCE. But that is a TYPICAL response from a homo or homo-supporter, will resort to bringing religion or God into the convo, even when its never spoken of....and then try in insist that my reason for opposing homosexuality, is God/ Religion. (BECAUSE, they cant dispite the presented info) TYPICAL!. But NOPE, sorry
And I...or YOU, dont have to "beleive" what i said, becuz theyre FACTS.
SurreallTV 1 month ago
@neuroiq (Pt 2- LAST comment)
...FACTS i say, again.....it dosnt matter if i..or you, beleives what i said, because they are FACTS. FACTS dont give 2 FUCKS wether or not someone likes them or aggrees with them and etc.....ether way they DONT, WILL NOT..and CAN not, change.
Ok, i just had to respond to those few things, wont be responding any more, it would be a waist of my time lol. Not even reading ur posts now, only posts from others. I wish you luck. Byebye
SurreallTV 1 month ago
@SurreallTV Jesus loves me - This I know - 'Cuz the Bible tells me so.
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq (pt2)
SO...do not waist ur time trying to "debate" me,especially with FAKE ass FACTS and FAKE ass "STUDIES" that are created by homosexuals themselves, and created by homo-supporters who creat and alter studies to spawn FAKE and FICTIONAL results, that will be benefitial towards homos. I'm BEYOND on to you people and know EVERY trick you attempt to play...BEFOR YOU PLAY IT. Now, our contact is over. Good luck.
****** TO EVEONE ELSE, MAKE SURE YOU SCROLL DOWN AND READ MY COMTS
SurreallTV 1 month ago
@SurreallTV *whispers among other homosexuals: "He's on to us."* CRAB PEOPLE,CRAB PEOPLE,CRAB PEOPLE!
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq (pt 6)
Now.....in regards to Asking a homosexual, NO...instead of doing that.....what i've found, is that, the ONLY way to gain REAL information from homosexuals, about what they TRUELY think about their own specific cases of homosexuality...is to EASE-DROP and listen or watch, when they think they are ONLY talking amoungst OTHER HOMOSEXUALS. THENNN you start to hear some TRUTH!. And it is NOT what you hear them saying on TV and the Media.
Thats all ill say for now. -Exits
SurreallTV 1 month ago
@SurreallTV You eaves-drop on homosexuals? That's not cool.
You're going to learn all of our proprietary secrets!
neuroiq 1 month ago
Genetic experiments on fruit flies (drosophila melanogaster) has shown that scientists can change a fruit flies orientation by changing their genes. A lot of animals, especially giraffes and Japanese macaques, have homosexual behavior, suggesting that it is not a social development in only humans. A study in Padua, Italy has shown that the mothers of homosexuals tend to be more fertile, and the same results were found by another study, suggesting that homosexuality can have a genetic link.
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq Fruit fly expiriment is old and has yet to prove sucessfull anywhere else>
The homosexual animal argument is addressed here: /watch?v=hhOnUB3yj1M&lc=bpWaZstRVV9m-omfZRniUgqGvDzbivHWG9vjaFV3D2E
I also find it funny that the "so called" homosexual penguins of San Francisco broke up when a female was brought in, LOL.
The study you use does not include any information on how many mother's of non-homosexuals were just as fertile.....
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 The fertility was compared to the average. It was a ratio, and the mothers of homosexual were more fertile.
You can google "mothers homosexual more fertile" and you'll get a lot of articles to what I'm referring to. Of course, this doesn't prove that homosexuality is caused by genes, but this is obviously implying a genetic cause. Also, twin studies also show a correlation (which, yes, does mean causation) but it's evidence for it.
I hate youtube for not allowing me to post links. :\
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq II think you grossly misrepresenting the study on fertility you're using: "A team of researchers found that some female relatives of gay men tend to have more children than average."
SOME not all.
"mothers, maternal aunts and maternal grandmothers of gay men are more fecund, or fruitful, than average."
There are also women who are more fuitful than average that do NOT have homosexual children.
Krazie316 1 month ago
@neuroiq "If this scenario turns out to be true, it could help explain the seeming paradox of hereditary homosexuality."
Holy crap it's not even confirmed????
No thanks, I want confirmed studies
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 I honestly don't think you want to understand. I just watched your other video. I see more logical fallacies and your own biased interpretation.
Like you mentioned in your other video, you can only infer what animals do, but you can talk to humans and actually understand why they do things. I think you have a deeper epistemological problem with mistrust of others. Do you think I'm just lying for the sake of lying? That I'm evil for the sake of being evil? You should be more openminded
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq There logical arguments and points not logical fallacies. I gave definitions and all.
At this point I'd rather tale the word of the x homosexuals and be skeptical of studies that don't proove anything.
I'm open mineded, just not soo much my brain falls out.
I used not one biblical argument here for the sake of a secular argument. The bottom line is I see no proof for it being innate, genetic, and from birth
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 hmm....what nasty typos I've made...Oh well
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 And, by the way, the findings of that studies has been reproduced:
Google: "New Evidence of Genetic Factors Influencing Sexual Orientation in Men: Female Fecundity Increase in the Maternal Line"
You are quick to dismiss things that don't fit your idea of how the world should be.
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq I already googled it and used the quotes from lifescience. i already addressed it earlier
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 No, this was in 2009, the article you read was in 2008. That's why it says "New Evidence." Other studies, since then, have found the same results. It's not perfect, of course, It's hard to get perfect harmony, especially with large populations, but it's worth looking into. I have to sleep and live and such. So, Good night.
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq "No, this was in 2009, the article you read was in 2008."
You're the one that gave me the search term and every single source that popped up was from 2008 and 2004 in the top 10 at least
Krazie316 1 month ago
This video already debunked the twin studies, lol I need not say anymore on that note.
Krazie316 1 month ago
I disagree. Most articles that I've read, and I've read lots. lol, seem to point to a biological cause. I myself do not feel like it is a choice. That is, I have an attraction to men that I do not consciously choose, just as you (probably) do not consciously choose to be attracted to women. Think about that. Did you consciously think: "Oh, I'm male, so I should like women.." during puberty and then started acting straight? Or was the attraction more natural, almost instinctive?
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq Dissagree all you want there's no irrefutable proof of this. I too have read MANY articles, each have fallen short. The routine error comes in the form that "not all homosexuals have this" or "some over half of heterosexual men also have that"....
I never said the feelings you experience are a choice, however acting on them is indeed a choice
Krazie316 1 month ago
@neuroiq Yes, but their are plenty of cases where people who claimed to have attraction to men said with mental training they were able to alter it. Of course, the argument from there always turns too "Well, they must have been straight in the first place" and it becomes a popularity contest for theories.
Either way its irresponsible to believe things are out of your control
0Maloy1 1 month ago
@0Maloy1 The American Psychological Association (APA) actually tells people that those conversions therapy are not recommended, since it's been found that they are harmful to individuals. And any honest, licensed psychologist would not claim that they can convert a homosexual.
apa.org/about/governance/council/policy/sexual-orientation.pdf
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq The APA also says that it is a mental disorder to deny global warming. I don't take them seriously
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 Really? Give me a link to that. I seriously doubt that.
And even if they did say that, it's irrelevant to our discussion!
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq Never claimed it was done by psychologists. I said people trained themselves. The reason it is not recommended is because how little we actually know for a fact when it comes to the human mind. It is such a sensitive misty area that most people would advise you to not do anything without a professional, who in reality just know a lot in a field that has very little actually to it.
I encourage people to pursue some form of mental discipline or training such as how the Buddhist monks do.
0Maloy1 1 month ago
My point is that you do not "dismantle ALL arguments on the genetic level." You did not give a disproof. All your saying is the evidence that you've presented does not directly prove that homosexuality is genetic. Quite frankly no one knows one way or the other. I am a homosexual, by the by - and I do believe that it is genetic/ hormonal, but I cannot prove it either way. A growing amount of evidence though has amassed in favor of homosexuality being biological in origin. And by the way...
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq My point in the video is I DID dismantle all arguments presented to me. This video is old. if you're trying to bring forth new stuff it has no basis on the claims in this video due to it's time.
"All your saying is the evidence that you've presented does not directly prove that homosexuality is genetic."
That's painfully obvious...
"and I do believe that it is genetic/ hormonal" There's no proof for it
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 Concerning your dismantling of arguments: You did not show that homosexuality is NOT genetic, therefore you can't say that you defeated. You put forward a lie that says that it doesn't exist because "scientists" and "doctors" say so, but like I said, no one knows how all the genes work. We can count base pairs and map them, sure, but we don't know what they mean. So you didn't dismantle anything.
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq Concearning dismantling arguments, I DID show that the studies used against me were not accurate enough to be used as evidence because there too much error in thim and they cannot be reproduced by other scientists. I don't have to disprove it's genetic to say I dismantled the arguments that were used against me. All the arguments I addressed in this video were used against me and all were taken down thusly dismantling them.
Krazie316 1 month ago
@neuroiq Furthermore you don't "disprove" anything you "PROVE" your case.
Give you a link to what?
Krazie316 1 month ago
Uhh.. I don't know if you know this, but we don't know what most genes actually do. Saying that there is no gay gene or gene(s) (which is a more likely idea) is (at this point impossible), unless you're willing to admit that we do know what every gene in the human genome represents and what its function is. A lack of evidence does not imply a proof of non-existence, nor does it imply the opposite. This is basic logic. And by the way - there are many articles that point to a genetic link. Ask me.
neuroiq 1 month ago
@neuroiq Uhh..actually I said there's no evidence of a genetic case. nobody said it IS NOT the case. I hold that there is more ev idence of a psycho/social argument than a genetic one.
Although people keep trying to assert polygenics, there's also no evidence for that either.
Krazie316 1 month ago
So let me get this right....Some men are born with the desire to procreate with an individuals that are unable to conceive. Yep sounds pretty logical to me...
solomonii0 1 month ago
Any man who loves the smell of feces is crazy and any woman who thinks licking another woman's vaginal discharge is love is crazy.
LILREDONE1976 1 month ago
@LILREDONE1976 umm men lick womens buttholes too and they eat their vaginas too!
tooyella210 1 month ago
if it wernt for a gay costume designer, the USS ENTERPRISE wouldnt have miniskirts.
solomonkane23 1 month ago
Other people on this video have already covered why being Gay in itself is in question, there have also been studies showing it is very possible to control ones sexual attraction towards others.
0Maloy1 1 month ago
There have been studies on identical twins where one sibling is gay while the other is not. If homosexuality was indeed genetic, then both siblings would be gay in all identical twins being that they have the same DNA. This implies that there is no "gay gene".
TheTruthBearer1 1 month ago
Continued - i meant to say being gay isnt genetic, its simply an under development of the fetuses brain due to hormone suppression. I think you could compare being gay to being like a disability - the instinct for reproduction just isnt there. But the fact gays are wanting special treatment these days, and feminists want to give it to them has to be fought. Its just gays seeking privilege - me me me me me!!!
dafty97 1 month ago
Being gay isnt a choice, but it is explainable. Its caused by hormone supression in the womb before birth. Sometimes the mothers imune system suppresses the testosterone generated by a male fetus, and when this happens the hypothalamus (part of the brain that governs sexuality) on develops to the size it would in a heterosexual woman. As a result you get a male who is born with sexual attraction to other males. Its all very simple really. But yes there is a bit of a gay agenda these days!
dafty97 1 month ago
@dafty97 I agree its not a choice to have the feelings, however there's no proof for the hormone argument either. In fact the INAH3 in the hypothalamus doesn't explain sexuality as drug abusing heterosexuals had the same sizes INAH3 as homosexuals. Likewise Levay who conducted that study, some of his homosexuals were really heterosexuals and vice versa.
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 Thanks, i didnt know about that study, but i always found the hormone explanation more plausable than a genetic explanation. Anyway whatever the reason they still dont deserve special treatment and privilege. I dont care what people do in their own bedroom, but if they try to impose their lives on me then i will fight back
dafty97 1 month ago
Maybe there are several genes that work together to cause sexuality. It's kinda a big thing you know.
SoniClub 1 month ago
@SoniClub maybe is the key word as there is no proof for this. If there was irrefutable proof we would be having this debate.
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 There is irrefutable proof of evolution and the big bang, but there is still a debate over that, isn't there?
Sean1Sullivan 1 month ago
@Sean1Sullivan That's because it's not irrefutable proof, lol. This is a video on genetics on the homosexual topic not evolution. Stay on topic
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 My point is still valid within the context of your comment. Just because there is irrefutable proof on a topic, does not mean that people will accept it. I was neither promoting nor putting down the idea of genetics.
Sean1Sullivan 1 month ago
@Sean1Sullivan It's not a valid point because there really is NO irrefutable proof of it. if it could be shown homosexuality was genetic there can be no real argument.
You're mistaking proof with EVIDENCE
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 I know several people who have learned how to control their sexual attraction to the point where they feel absolutely NO attraction to others, I myself decided to try and learn out of curiosity and was able to do it.
I have not tried it, but I think in theory it would be possible to make it go to the entirely opposite spectrum and be attracted to the same gender.
0Maloy1 1 month ago
@0Maloy1 Well the fact that some people end up changing their preference halfway through their life either way is evidence in my book that it could be psychological/social factors
Krazie316 1 month ago
@Krazie316 yeah, point taken, even as a Christian the only thing that really BOTHERS me about homosexuals is that, they know what they are doing is illogical, and so, they try to appeal to emotion saying its love and stuff, even though homosexual by its very definition is to be physically attracted to the same gender not in love with, which is homoromantic.
0Maloy1 1 month ago
But it MIGHT BE genetic to be more impressionable than others.
tiffyj85 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
So far, from what I've seen.. There has been NO hard evidence or facts that gay is genetic.
tiffyj85 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@tiffyj85 What difference does that make?
SoniClub 1 month ago
Its good to see someone who is willing to stand up to the Gay Agenda! Lady GaGa's song born this way is designed to change societys views on Gays being born this way. ITs good to see a counter arguement for once. Thank you for the time you put into the research of this video.
geoffrey300 2 months ago
Good for you to confront this issue! Homosexuality is a choice and a matter of perversion. It is a affront to our creator and assaults society with their wreckless activities!
stephenabm 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
we do provided logical evidence that corresponds with natrual processes. We offer various explainations.. The reality of the science is that we can never be 100% accurate, but we can work to be pretty fucking close to a good answer.
Manguneshane 3 months ago
we do provided logical evidence that corresponds with natrual processes. We offer various explainations.. The reality of the science is that we can never be 100% accurate, but we can work to be pretty fucking close to a good answer.
Manguneshane 3 months ago
@Manguneshane stop cursing on this video.
The explanation you offered is not close to a good answer though because a change in hormones does not automatically conclude a change in preference, just mood and physical attributes
Krazie316 3 months ago
having reasonable assumptions is better then jumping to conclusions, assuming that one of the most unorganized groups in the world has any interest in conquering its is a huge gap in logic. Having the best guess is better then having the next guess. I can't people who go against any notion based on social prejudices without even considering or testing against its possibility. you dismiss the argument, but at the same time you don't off a validateable reason to why it IS present.
Manguneshane 3 months ago
@Manguneshane I don't understand a thing you type because its not making sense.
I don't accept guesses and assumptions.
Fact remains, nobody knows
Krazie316 3 months ago
That said, the reasoning that i have behind it is that a huge part of sexual attraction is hormonal. yes there are varying other factors, of all of it hormones play the biggest roll.
Manguneshane 3 months ago
@Manguneshane in the end it falls down to nobody knows. The point of this video is to shoot down claims of fact where no fact exists
Krazie316 3 months ago
or maybe *alter might not even be the best way to describe it. It could very well be that, hormonal conditioning is what gives a child their orientation. which would explain why sexuality not inherently present post-puberty, as it it is not geneologicly set.
Manguneshane 3 months ago
You understand what happens to a male that takes estrogen supplements correct? Their fully development physical structure begins to act in accordance with what normally happens in women. Although it doesn't directly affect that males orientation, it does cause some femmenet traits to surface. That considered, what happeneds to a developing fetus when it is exposed to certain hormonal levels? estrogen may essentialy alter the childs hormone based attractions.
Manguneshane 3 months ago
@Manguneshane do you see what you're typing. "it could be/maybe/may essentially alter"
THESE ATE NOT FACTS, they're speculations and assumptions.
Then you contradict you're own idea by admitting hormone changes may not even (more accurately a great majority of the time won't) alter preference.
Krazie316 3 months ago
News Flash: Homosexuality is not present in genetics, Thus is why there is no gene for it. It the hormonal imbalance that occurs in the mother to the fetus. Its a sensitive process, as any any forced hormonal shifts could disfigure the child. but ou would do that anyway right? its fucking wity the laws of nature.
Manguneshane 3 months ago
@Manguneshane "Not present in genetics" many will beg to differ and dissagree with you
"Occurs in the mother to the fetus" no proof shows it's hormonal as not all mother's with the high level of the hormone, "supposed" to" cause homosexuality, have homosexual kids
can't understand the last part
Krazie316 3 months ago