I have a solution; Got an buy yourselves an axe, infact don't buy one. Since you people denounce trade. Go out into the mountains away from Civilization. Make your own fucking tools, out of stone. Build your own fucking house, make your own fucking clothes. Get your own fucking food. Then you can pursue your lifes ambition, whatever that maybe, and the working taxpayer, who allows you to live, won't have to listen to your shit.
God the person who made this video is a fucking twat. It is people like him, that makes America hated the world over. monekeyshow is a loud mouth cunt with a bad haircut lol
humm wage slavery??.. i'll grant that wages for shit kicking jobs are completely crap and dont pay for sweet FA but I have the choice either go to the crappy job and get some money or sit in front of my soon to repossessed TV because I'm earning squat..
@abominableangel comments makes no sense. The fact you have choice due to various factors, (Including those in power driving wages down on purpose.) is a strong example of why low paid work is wage slavery.
@brownie1982ad tin foil hat much.. what do you want for flipping burgers 50k a year! get an education, invent something, come up with something catchy put the grey matter to good use, excellent examples on the internet are Facebook started by Mark Zuckerberg in school, youtube started by Chad Hurley, Steve Chen, and Jawed Karim ex paypal employees .. Lolcats aka icanhascheeseburger website 15mil hits a day for captioned cats all of these pointless but they're laughing all the way to the bank
don't wait for the world for it owes you nothing.. fairness is a delusion there has never been fairness nor equality as much as we dont want to believe it or how much pressure we try to apply the guy with the bigger pocket book always wins.. so you beat them at their own game it takes years and i mean years for things to change in your favour .. sitting in the freezing cold out side wall street is just going to give you pneumonia nothing more
@abominableangel I don't flip burgers. I make moneying selling useless shit that is not needed.
Facebook had CIA money to help it out. Also Mark ZUckerberg founded facebook at an elite unviersity. If he had to flip bugers to stop himself from starving, he would of never had a chance to set up face book. Also what has people making money doing pointless got to do with injustice of the system? Everyone in the third world is a parasite living off the suffering of the third world.
No analysis of what anarchists or others on the left actually say regarding wage slavery. No historical background on how capital was acccumulated in the first place, or how the wage system started in the first place, or the social dynamics between capitalists and the proletariat...Le sigh.... No one is expecting an expert understanding but please do a little reading about these things before talking out of your ass.
That makes them a slave under ANY definition, except for your overly simplistic one. And what about those countries where we rolled in with the gunships and installed dictators who would sell off the country, including labor, to our corporations. Are they not slaves? If they protest then they get shot in the head. Sounds like slavery to me. But they get paid a dollar a day so it must be voluntary in your mind. Disgusting.
Your thinking is far too simplistic. What is slavery? It is working for others under the threat of force, no? Does it matter that the form of payment is money instead of lodgings and food? Not really. In fact, slave owners used to argue that slavery was moral due to the "fact" that property that's owned (chattel slave) is treated better than property that's rented (wage slave). Many in the third-world and second-world are literally held at gunpoint but are paid a wage.
Are you suggesting that the ability to create a "perpetual motion" production method currently exists? If so, it seems to me that this requires an incredibly successful conspiracy. I have yet to see evidence that it is possible to both enact and hide such a wide-spanning successful conspiracy .
Chattel slaves do get paid in the form of clothes, food, and housing. In an anarchist society, universal healthcare would be paid for by the workers federation which would control the means of production, and therefore the surplus value, thus having sufficient funds to provide everyone with it. If someone truly is lazy and doesn't want to work, even Kropotkin advocated kicking them out, but in most cases, I feel it has more to do with the authortiarian nature of the workplace than true laziness
At least you are guaranteed a place in society and the premise that you, as property of someone else, your owner will inevitably value your life as an investment- instead, in wage slavery conditions- you have two choices as a "free" person- work w/o any social mobility or die of starvation since you can't grow food without land and you can't have land without taxes
1) If a commune doesn't work, it starves. Therefore wage slavery exists in communism.
2) The only difference is that, in a commune, some people can consume more than they can produce - which can only happen if other people produce more than they consume.
3) Therefore, in a commune, the productive have been enslaved to the unproductive, because the fruits of their labour are being systematically confiscated.
4) Wage slavery is the opposite of real slavery - therefore it is bullshit.
I don't see how adding "hierarchy" to the situation changes the real causes and effects of buying and selling labour.
It's just a fact of nature that to consume you must first produce. If someone consumes and doesn't produce, then they shift the burden of producing onto others - which is what happens in a commune.
You have to prove that employee-employer hierarchy is coercive, and not to assume it.
The only argument to prove this has been the "work or starve" argument, which I have just refuted.
At the micro level u cant categorize the butcher & baker as wage slaves because they dont have bosses but at the macro level the system of wage slavery affect them because most ppl have no option but to sell their labor to bosses & have no say on the kinds of jobs an economy creates
Employers have boss-like authority & make freedom (workers self-management) harder to pursue. & yes, slave owners also "took risks" "created jobs" "worked their way up" etc LOL
@mr1001nights "At the micro level u cant categorize the butcher & baker as wage slaves because they dont have bosses but at the macro level the system of wage slavery affect them because most ppl have no option but to sell their labor to bosses & have no say on the kinds of jobs an economy creates"
Yup. And that's exactly what conservatives like: hierarchy, domination, order. They never state it that honestly, though.
@StatelessLiberty Well of course you need to work to produce things, duh. The problem is that most of what you produce in a capitalsit society goes to the bourgeiousie who use coercive methods (state, private guards etc.) to control the means of production, AND the workers who actually USE THE TOOLS TO PRODUCE THINGS!
In our current economy, statist intervention in markets mean that wages are artificially low.
Austrian and Neoclassical theory says that profits fall close to zero in competitive markets, and most market anarchists expect the emergence of agoric institutions made of independent contractors rather than wage workers in a total market.
In that sense, I believe wage slavery exists an oppose it - but not in the sense that libertarian socialists do.
A capitalist is someone who contributes capital to the production process. They come to own capital through saving money.
The more capital you add to a production process, the more is produced - capital produces wealth. People who create and contribute capital create wealth.
If they create the correct capital to meet consumer demands, then the wealth they create will be more than their original savings. This is how profit emerges. This profit can be used to buy more capital.
@StatelessLiberty "A capitalist is someone who contributes capital to the production process. They come to own capital through saving money."
Actually capitalism, which never existed in a pure form anyway, is now mostly speculation. That's why we're fucked at the moment. It's all a shell-game designed to con and oppress the weak and simple-minded. We need an accountable, responsible mixed economy, not this abomination.
@StatelessLiberty 'In that sense, I believe wage slavery exists an oppose it - but not in the sense that libertarian socialists do."
Name one time in history where removing roadblocks to power, mechanisms that help spread and balance power, helped people at the bottom. You've been had, pal.
"Wage slavery refers to a situation where a person's livelihood depends on wages, especially when the dependence is total and immediate." en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org(slash)wiki(slash)Wage_slavery
I don't see slavery coming from the wage system I see wages giving the highest return on investment for most people due to the efficiency of internal division of labor (including the labor of capital allocation) within an essentially monolithic association (be it Pam's Diner or Boeing)
I can leave my job and live off the land, the fact is that I prefer the benefits from my job to the benefits from self-sufficiency. What is the defining characteristic of what you call "slavery"?
Slaves got paid MORE. According to research the material conditions of American slaves before the Civil war were better than those of wage laborers, not only in the US but also in Europe. In places like Colonial Brazil, slaves could buy their own freedom & become self-employed, business owners, or even slave owners themselves. The range of occupations of slaves, according to Encyclopedia Brittanica, was as great as with wage laborers, who actually suffer more work-related death injury & illness
@mr1001nights That's because most slave owners only owned a couple. At least in America. And... what? If you are getting paid money. You aren't a slave. Indenture's not the same thing.
@hewhofuckscouchs the amount of actual money they receive would go down but so would everybody. the point is that the purchasing power of the money would be higher and prices would fall. if they're too dumb to see that, then they are hopeless indeed.
Welcome back, anyway what did you expect from these dumb asses. Wage Slavery that is so oxymoron of them.
I was called a Nazi when I said to a conservative it's none of there fucking business what I do with my body. I was called a asshole by the Lift Wing when I said all welfare should be gone, NO INCOME TAX. Anyways Fuck occupy wall street, nothing more angry piss morons that want to add new laws on EVERYONE. Yeah because that will fix the problems. It's not me really I'm a good Christian. LOL
im glad u enjoyed it. wage slavery is indeed a contradiction in terms, but many of the socialists grievances about wage slavery are caused by our statist/corporatist economy. i believe a free market without barriers to entry would lead to more entrepreneurs and competition among employers, which would in turn would bid up the price of wages.
@tonygmilan7 No, see, then the value of the currency would go up, which would mean the amount of compensation they would receive would go down and they would assume they were getting paid less even though there was no actual change.
What do anarchists destroy? The property of the police and military? State-entrenched industries? No, usually the nearest business, which has no more relationship with the state than any house-owning modern semi-serf.
Who is a "real anarchist"? Not Rothbard, who supported scrapping the state entirely, but Chomsky, who supports expanding the size and intrusion of the state.
don't forget the lightweight anarchist refutation of rothbard; that capitalism needs the state to protect private property. lol, conflation of law and the state by self-proclaimed anarchists
Law is oppressive hierarchical force, just like racism, logic, and advertisements. I will even take a page out of John Zerzan's book (literally, the man is an author, as well as a radio show host and lecturer) and say that language is oppressive.
Real anarchy can have no law, and it must not allow people to undertake countless actions, or even hold certain opinions, Anarcho-Totalitarianism for the win! Bring forth the thought autonomus-revolutionary-vanguard!
Yes, I am very familiar with Rothbard's take on anarchism. It is rather close to my own. I am pointing out that anarchism is not pro-freedom, nor is it anti-compulsion. The average anarchist is at least as close to totalitarianism as the average US conservative is.
@blackacidlizzard Chomsky doesn't support the expanding the size and intrusion of the state. Stop strawmaning people. Can't believe someone was stupid enough to like your comment.
"Chomsky doesn't support the expanding the size and intrusion of the state."
LOL.
Ya know, denying reality doesn't actually change reality. Either you haven't actually looked into Chomsky's take on the preferable course of action given the current situation, you are a liar, or you are an idiot. And if it is the first, you have essentially lied by claiming to know what the man advocates when you do not.
Most anarchists look at compulsory government the same way Chruchill looked at democracy: "the worst system except every other"
What do anarchists protest? The dropping of state-imposed barriers to trade, the cutting of social safety net spending, and "evil capitalist libertarianism"
Slaves get resources or they die quickly, one could enslave people and give them monetary resources which they then exchange for their food and water, so having a wage is not necessarily incompatible with slavery.
When you get to the bottom of this "wage slavery" bullshit, you find that it isn't the capitalist enslaving the worker, it is reality, because one needs resources to survive, therefore one is "enslaved" by not having instant effortless access to all conceivable goods.
and he calls himself Priest Christopher now.
alancook01 1 month ago
I have a solution; Got an buy yourselves an axe, infact don't buy one. Since you people denounce trade. Go out into the mountains away from Civilization. Make your own fucking tools, out of stone. Build your own fucking house, make your own fucking clothes. Get your own fucking food. Then you can pursue your lifes ambition, whatever that maybe, and the working taxpayer, who allows you to live, won't have to listen to your shit.
ColonelAllan 1 month ago
Wage slavery eh? Never heard of that one...and we have a gross abundance of workshy bastards here.
ColonelAllan 1 month ago
@ColonelAllan Yeah I think it has way more to do with people being unwilling to work than anything else.
superangrymonkeyshow 1 month ago
@superangrymonkeyshow im fine babe its good to see you again.. so whats their final solution other than holding hands and wishing real hard
abominableangel 1 month ago
@abominableangel A worker's federation. Where everyone works together by like... magic I guess. Or because its the right thing to do.
superangrymonkeyshow 1 month ago
@superangrymonkeyshow.... Da kumbaya tavareesh dasvidaniya
abominableangel 1 month ago
God the person who made this video is a fucking twat. It is people like him, that makes America hated the world over. monekeyshow is a loud mouth cunt with a bad haircut lol
brownie1982ad 1 month ago
'General malcontents'? Try looking in a mirror.
TheAlfonz69 1 month ago
humm wage slavery??.. i'll grant that wages for shit kicking jobs are completely crap and dont pay for sweet FA but I have the choice either go to the crappy job and get some money or sit in front of my soon to repossessed TV because I'm earning squat..
abominableangel 1 month ago
@abominableangel comments makes no sense. The fact you have choice due to various factors, (Including those in power driving wages down on purpose.) is a strong example of why low paid work is wage slavery.
brownie1982ad 1 month ago
@brownie1982ad tin foil hat much.. what do you want for flipping burgers 50k a year! get an education, invent something, come up with something catchy put the grey matter to good use, excellent examples on the internet are Facebook started by Mark Zuckerberg in school, youtube started by Chad Hurley, Steve Chen, and Jawed Karim ex paypal employees .. Lolcats aka icanhascheeseburger website 15mil hits a day for captioned cats all of these pointless but they're laughing all the way to the bank
abominableangel 1 month ago
don't wait for the world for it owes you nothing.. fairness is a delusion there has never been fairness nor equality as much as we dont want to believe it or how much pressure we try to apply the guy with the bigger pocket book always wins.. so you beat them at their own game it takes years and i mean years for things to change in your favour .. sitting in the freezing cold out side wall street is just going to give you pneumonia nothing more
abominableangel 1 month ago
@abominableangel I've come to understand what these guys mean. And think that their solution is utter fiction.
Ohai, how are you?
superangrymonkeyshow 1 month ago
@abominableangel I don't flip burgers. I make moneying selling useless shit that is not needed.
Facebook had CIA money to help it out. Also Mark ZUckerberg founded facebook at an elite unviersity. If he had to flip bugers to stop himself from starving, he would of never had a chance to set up face book. Also what has people making money doing pointless got to do with injustice of the system? Everyone in the third world is a parasite living off the suffering of the third world.
brownie1982ad 1 month ago
Amazing argumentation.
Wage slavery isn't slavery, because wage workers are paid a wage.
Circular logic works because circular logic works because...
cogar488 1 month ago
@cogar488 That was sarcasm right?
23lFrench 1 month ago
@23lFrench Yes. This video is unbelievably stupid.
cogar488 1 month ago
@cogar488 Yeah have to agree with you there my friend.
23lFrench 1 month ago
you obviously misunderstand the word...
TheEthanwashere 1 month ago
dumb ass wage slave!
boxermaf 1 month ago
No analysis of what anarchists or others on the left actually say regarding wage slavery. No historical background on how capital was acccumulated in the first place, or how the wage system started in the first place, or the social dynamics between capitalists and the proletariat...Le sigh.... No one is expecting an expert understanding but please do a little reading about these things before talking out of your ass.
LordEreinionXXV 1 month ago
you are showing your ignorance
mogem 1 month ago
That makes them a slave under ANY definition, except for your overly simplistic one. And what about those countries where we rolled in with the gunships and installed dictators who would sell off the country, including labor, to our corporations. Are they not slaves? If they protest then they get shot in the head. Sounds like slavery to me. But they get paid a dollar a day so it must be voluntary in your mind. Disgusting.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@tstruss912 It is voluntary. You can choose not to work.
superangrymonkeyshow 1 month ago
@superangrymonkeyshow You can choose not to pay the Mafia don's thugs. Very noble stance, bit it will get you killed.
brownie1982ad 1 month ago
Your thinking is far too simplistic. What is slavery? It is working for others under the threat of force, no? Does it matter that the form of payment is money instead of lodgings and food? Not really. In fact, slave owners used to argue that slavery was moral due to the "fact" that property that's owned (chattel slave) is treated better than property that's rented (wage slave). Many in the third-world and second-world are literally held at gunpoint but are paid a wage.
tstruss912 1 month ago
Mere ignorance is one thing, but prideful aggressive ignorance is much more repulsive. Remember the proverb.."Pride goeth before the fall".
paullap88 1 month ago 4
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@Apsu88
Correct, issues of state-enforced barriers to entry and property restriction are there for everyone to see.
And yes, one can always put more resources into some specific pursuit, and this always comes at the cost of diverting resources from other pursuits.
blackacidlizzard 1 month ago
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@Apsu88
Are you suggesting that the ability to create a "perpetual motion" production method currently exists? If so, it seems to me that this requires an incredibly successful conspiracy. I have yet to see evidence that it is possible to both enact and hide such a wide-spanning successful conspiracy .
blackacidlizzard 1 month ago
Chattel slaves do get paid in the form of clothes, food, and housing. In an anarchist society, universal healthcare would be paid for by the workers federation which would control the means of production, and therefore the surplus value, thus having sufficient funds to provide everyone with it. If someone truly is lazy and doesn't want to work, even Kropotkin advocated kicking them out, but in most cases, I feel it has more to do with the authortiarian nature of the workplace than true laziness
RadioFreeWisconsin 1 month ago
At least you are guaranteed a place in society and the premise that you, as property of someone else, your owner will inevitably value your life as an investment- instead, in wage slavery conditions- you have two choices as a "free" person- work w/o any social mobility or die of starvation since you can't grow food without land and you can't have land without taxes
thefredsays 1 month ago
1) If a commune doesn't work, it starves. Therefore wage slavery exists in communism.
2) The only difference is that, in a commune, some people can consume more than they can produce - which can only happen if other people produce more than they consume.
3) Therefore, in a commune, the productive have been enslaved to the unproductive, because the fruits of their labour are being systematically confiscated.
4) Wage slavery is the opposite of real slavery - therefore it is bullshit.
StatelessLiberty 1 month ago
@StatelessLiberty
Wage slavery presupposes inter-human hierarchy. Therefore, if everyone in an egalitarian commune starves, you can't attribute that wage slavery.
mr1001nights 1 month ago
I don't see how adding "hierarchy" to the situation changes the real causes and effects of buying and selling labour.
It's just a fact of nature that to consume you must first produce. If someone consumes and doesn't produce, then they shift the burden of producing onto others - which is what happens in a commune.
You have to prove that employee-employer hierarchy is coercive, and not to assume it.
The only argument to prove this has been the "work or starve" argument, which I have just refuted.
StatelessLiberty 1 month ago
@StatelessLiberty
U refuted a strawman, since the criticism has to do NOT with "work or starve" but with "work for a BOSS or else"
mr1001nights 1 month ago
@mr1001nights
I don't see how the "boss" part is relevant.
If a butcher or a baker doesn't sell enough meat or bread, they might starve. Are they being coerced by their customers?
A labourer is just like the butcher or the baker, except he's trying to sell his labour rather than meat or bread.
I also notice how you use the word "boss" rather than "employer".
An "employer" sounds like someone who purchases your services (which is what a wage actually is) whereas a "boss" sounds like an oppressor.
StatelessLiberty 1 month ago
@StatelessLiberty
At the micro level u cant categorize the butcher & baker as wage slaves because they dont have bosses but at the macro level the system of wage slavery affect them because most ppl have no option but to sell their labor to bosses & have no say on the kinds of jobs an economy creates
Employers have boss-like authority & make freedom (workers self-management) harder to pursue. & yes, slave owners also "took risks" "created jobs" "worked their way up" etc LOL
mr1001nights 1 month ago
@mr1001nights "At the micro level u cant categorize the butcher & baker as wage slaves because they dont have bosses but at the macro level the system of wage slavery affect them because most ppl have no option but to sell their labor to bosses & have no say on the kinds of jobs an economy creates"
Yup. And that's exactly what conservatives like: hierarchy, domination, order. They never state it that honestly, though.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@StatelessLiberty Well of course you need to work to produce things, duh. The problem is that most of what you produce in a capitalsit society goes to the bourgeiousie who use coercive methods (state, private guards etc.) to control the means of production, AND the workers who actually USE THE TOOLS TO PRODUCE THINGS!
RadioFreeWisconsin 1 month ago
@RadioFreeWisconsin
In our current economy, statist intervention in markets mean that wages are artificially low.
Austrian and Neoclassical theory says that profits fall close to zero in competitive markets, and most market anarchists expect the emergence of agoric institutions made of independent contractors rather than wage workers in a total market.
In that sense, I believe wage slavery exists an oppose it - but not in the sense that libertarian socialists do.
(Continued)
StatelessLiberty 1 month ago
@StatelessLiberty
A capitalist is someone who contributes capital to the production process. They come to own capital through saving money.
The more capital you add to a production process, the more is produced - capital produces wealth. People who create and contribute capital create wealth.
If they create the correct capital to meet consumer demands, then the wealth they create will be more than their original savings. This is how profit emerges. This profit can be used to buy more capital.
StatelessLiberty 1 month ago
@StatelessLiberty "A capitalist is someone who contributes capital to the production process. They come to own capital through saving money."
Actually capitalism, which never existed in a pure form anyway, is now mostly speculation. That's why we're fucked at the moment. It's all a shell-game designed to con and oppress the weak and simple-minded. We need an accountable, responsible mixed economy, not this abomination.
tstruss912 1 month ago
@StatelessLiberty 'In that sense, I believe wage slavery exists an oppose it - but not in the sense that libertarian socialists do."
Name one time in history where removing roadblocks to power, mechanisms that help spread and balance power, helped people at the bottom. You've been had, pal.
tstruss912 1 month ago
Truth be told
Pythomyst 1 month ago
"Wage slavery refers to a situation where a person's livelihood depends on wages, especially when the dependence is total and immediate." en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org(slash)wiki(slash)Wage_slavery
strawprophet 1 month ago
who puts together your xbox? are the foxconn workers "voluntary"? you know they have suicide nets?
strawprophet 1 month ago
Seriously, does God really want you making these kinds of videos? :)
alancook01 1 month ago
@Apsu88
I don't see slavery coming from the wage system I see wages giving the highest return on investment for most people due to the efficiency of internal division of labor (including the labor of capital allocation) within an essentially monolithic association (be it Pam's Diner or Boeing)
I can leave my job and live off the land, the fact is that I prefer the benefits from my job to the benefits from self-sufficiency. What is the defining characteristic of what you call "slavery"?
blackacidlizzard 1 month ago
@Apsu88 So what you're actually saying is you can't. Which is fine. I just wanted to make sure that's what you were saying.
superangrymonkeyshow 1 month ago
You are one sexy bitch!
rexrockz 1 month ago
@rexrockz Dude, I know it.
superangrymonkeyshow 1 month ago
You lost 20 pounds but you are still fat and ugly? The fates haven't been kind to you no wonder you're pissed.
almanacofsleep 1 month ago 3
@Apsu88 I'm not, I'm just waiting for you to start explaining why I'm wrong. Instead of informing us all about how well read you are.
superangrymonkeyshow 1 month ago
@Apsu88 He's not into Marx either.
superangrymonkeyshow 1 month ago
@Apsu88 Then by all means, grace the class with your knowledge.
superangrymonkeyshow 1 month ago
I thought RayWIlliamJohnson lost all that weight???
MrSpemat 1 month ago
@MrSpemat Me too.
superangrymonkeyshow 1 month ago
Slaves got paid MORE. According to research the material conditions of American slaves before the Civil war were better than those of wage laborers, not only in the US but also in Europe. In places like Colonial Brazil, slaves could buy their own freedom & become self-employed, business owners, or even slave owners themselves. The range of occupations of slaves, according to Encyclopedia Brittanica, was as great as with wage laborers, who actually suffer more work-related death injury & illness
mr1001nights 1 month ago
@mr1001nights That's because most slave owners only owned a couple. At least in America. And... what? If you are getting paid money. You aren't a slave. Indenture's not the same thing.
superangrymonkeyshow 1 month ago
@mr1001nights
I am interested in that research. Can you tell me where you found it (if you remember)?
MoralityIsAReligion 1 month ago
@MoralityIsAReligion
Read the footnotes in the part of the wiki article on wage slavery pointing out 5 similarities between chattel and wage slavery
mr1001nights 1 month ago
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mr1001nights 1 month ago
OH YEAH FUCK YOU ARE BACK YES.
Tsicar 1 month ago
Oh my god it's the fuckin monkey! This vids out of sync though.
Wes561 1 month ago
@hewhofuckscouchs the amount of actual money they receive would go down but so would everybody. the point is that the purchasing power of the money would be higher and prices would fall. if they're too dumb to see that, then they are hopeless indeed.
tonygmilan7 1 month ago
@tonygmilan7 There's no point arguing with the brainwashed and stupid.
hewhofuckscouchs 1 month ago
Welcome back, anyway what did you expect from these dumb asses. Wage Slavery that is so oxymoron of them.
I was called a Nazi when I said to a conservative it's none of there fucking business what I do with my body. I was called a asshole by the Lift Wing when I said all welfare should be gone, NO INCOME TAX. Anyways Fuck occupy wall street, nothing more angry piss morons that want to add new laws on EVERYONE. Yeah because that will fix the problems. It's not me really I'm a good Christian. LOL
Eddiepsp 1 month ago
im glad u enjoyed it. wage slavery is indeed a contradiction in terms, but many of the socialists grievances about wage slavery are caused by our statist/corporatist economy. i believe a free market without barriers to entry would lead to more entrepreneurs and competition among employers, which would in turn would bid up the price of wages.
tonygmilan7 1 month ago
@tonygmilan7 No, see, then the value of the currency would go up, which would mean the amount of compensation they would receive would go down and they would assume they were getting paid less even though there was no actual change.
You can't win with these people.
hewhofuckscouchs 1 month ago
What do anarchists destroy? The property of the police and military? State-entrenched industries? No, usually the nearest business, which has no more relationship with the state than any house-owning modern semi-serf.
Who is a "real anarchist"? Not Rothbard, who supported scrapping the state entirely, but Chomsky, who supports expanding the size and intrusion of the state.
blackacidlizzard 1 month ago 4
@blackacidlizzard
your comments here are good enough to fap to
don't forget the lightweight anarchist refutation of rothbard; that capitalism needs the state to protect private property. lol, conflation of law and the state by self-proclaimed anarchists
fountainherz 1 month ago
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@fountainherz
Law is oppressive hierarchical force, just like racism, logic, and advertisements. I will even take a page out of John Zerzan's book (literally, the man is an author, as well as a radio show host and lecturer) and say that language is oppressive.
Real anarchy can have no law, and it must not allow people to undertake countless actions, or even hold certain opinions, Anarcho-Totalitarianism for the win! Bring forth the thought autonomus-revolutionary-vanguard!
blackacidlizzard 1 month ago
@blackacidlizzard rothbard says he's not an anarchist. mises(dot)org(slash)daily(slash)2801
strawprophet 1 month ago
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@strawprophet
Yes, I am very familiar with Rothbard's take on anarchism. It is rather close to my own. I am pointing out that anarchism is not pro-freedom, nor is it anti-compulsion. The average anarchist is at least as close to totalitarianism as the average US conservative is.
blackacidlizzard 1 month ago
@blackacidlizzard Chomsky doesn't support the expanding the size and intrusion of the state. Stop strawmaning people. Can't believe someone was stupid enough to like your comment.
brownie1982ad 1 month ago
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@brownie1982ad
"Chomsky doesn't support the expanding the size and intrusion of the state."
LOL.
Ya know, denying reality doesn't actually change reality. Either you haven't actually looked into Chomsky's take on the preferable course of action given the current situation, you are a liar, or you are an idiot. And if it is the first, you have essentially lied by claiming to know what the man advocates when you do not.
Thanks for playing.
blackacidlizzard 1 month ago
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Most anarchists look at compulsory government the same way Chruchill looked at democracy: "the worst system except every other"
What do anarchists protest? The dropping of state-imposed barriers to trade, the cutting of social safety net spending, and "evil capitalist libertarianism"
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blackacidlizzard 1 month ago 3
Slaves get resources or they die quickly, one could enslave people and give them monetary resources which they then exchange for their food and water, so having a wage is not necessarily incompatible with slavery.
When you get to the bottom of this "wage slavery" bullshit, you find that it isn't the capitalist enslaving the worker, it is reality, because one needs resources to survive, therefore one is "enslaved" by not having instant effortless access to all conceivable goods.
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blackacidlizzard 1 month ago 4