By signing the complaint, you give your word that everything is true, to the best of your knowledge. That counts as an oath. Check out the print under your signature next time you sign some sort of legal document or even a job application. It usually says something like "I declare under penalty of perjury that the above info is true"
"In a parody, for example, the parodist transforms the original by holding it up to ridicule."
Read something besides Wikipedia before forming a legal opinion.
Measuring Fair Use: The Four Factors. (2007). In Stanford Copyright & Fair Use [Web]. Stanford University Libraries. Retrieved 10/10/2008, from fairuse.stanford(.)edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-b.html
Oh, and just for fun, I'm going to concede the point about YouTube's Terms of Use. Let's say that Utube does not grant you non exclusive rights.
Fair use laws allow people to use portions of someone elses material (with due credit) if the purpose is for critical analysis. Thunderfoot was well within his legal rights.
Still don't believe? Ask VFX. It took some lawyers to convince him but he's conceded the point. You should too. Lest you look like a fool...more so
Dude, you're a joke. People LAUGH at you. If you're for real, there's a lot of people who PITY you. Have you seen the latest Potholer54 video?
what makes what you do anymore legitimate than what I've done? At least my poking doesn't ignore simple facts like GRAVITY!
Could we not use 5thWatcher's page for personal conflicts? If you have something to say in regard to the video go ahead but don't stalk me throughout Utube when you could just send me a message.
Plus, I've seen dpr's current comments on here, and they all indicate that 5thWatcher is totally wrong. Hell, there's even a comment that says that precisely.
/Not "pretty much" - totally wrong!/
Even IF you are (by chance) right at some things at some places, you ARE wrong here, and very much so.
I don't care if you "didn't speak right" when you made this. You are dead fucking wrong, and you can't back out of that.
Do you feel at all foolish for making this video? Because you certainly look foolish now, If I were you I would have removed and deleted this video by now and I would pretend it never existed. "venomfang could take him to court and he would win" "thunderfoot would be crushed under all his bullshit" christians do indeed stick together. You lie at the start of the video when you say you are on nobodies side! doesn't the bible say thou shalt not lie?
"If I were you I would have removed and deleted this video by now and I would pretend it never existed."
He should have done that some time ago. I have a video response to this video of his. Two responses, actually. He removed the first one... for some reason. Maybe it's because he's angry at how wrong he is.
did you see the contradiction of him not taking any side and then mocking tfoot accent, saying he had no right to vfx videos, saying tfoot case would not stand up in court (something to do with bullshit apparently), saying vfx could take tfoot to court and would win, calling tfoots compromise blackmail and calling tfoot a slanderous thief, while praising anything in vfx he sees as good christian values. he says he is on neither side but he a christian defending a christian because hesa christiam
Before diving in you should probably read thevalkerie's comment. he's implying that 5th is bias towards christians. I presented evidence against it by pointing out that he also attacks christians.
the point i was trying to make was that it doesn't matter if a christian is wrong, his christian brothers will defend him anyway, and you just reinforced this point
And my point is that you're wrong. 5th attacks many of the fundamentalist christian values and is siding with venom because he believes he is right, not because he's a christian.
And I don't reinforce this point either, I'm agnostic.
you make no point but instead declare me wrong without any reference to evidence! at least my arguement has ground to stand on; with reference to the material which I believe backs up my arguement and hence is worth presenting.
And I looked at your account, while you may be agnostic now, 7 months ago you were a funadmentalist christian, so I suggest you are still holding onto your notions of christian brotherhood, in which case you are still a christian and my point was reinforced!
You've provided no evidence for premise 1. You're assuming it. I provided evidence that premise 1 is false, as 5th has a variety of videos attacking christianity (for the 3rd time), which is something a bias person would not do.
Refuted enough for you?
And no still. Why would a fundamentalist favourite "jesus or the bible"?
you seem to have missed the first comment you replied to, if you think that is my arguement, in which I provided my evidence or my observations that back up the claim that 5th is biased to venomfang, your criticism was nothing more than "hes not biased because he speaks against fundamentalism" which doesn't change the fact that christians defend christians whether right or wrong.
And I'll reply to the end of that post in the next comment!
A comment taken from your account page clarency, first half:
Haha! Yeah man, I've thought that a few times myself. I'll be posting a video on "Stereotypes about Christians and Atheists", hopefully sometime later today if I get around to it. But yeah, I'm sick of seeing Christians who don't look into their own beliefs and take defending it seriously. They don't take their thinking to a higher level.
This is why so many Christians have fallen to atheism, arbitrarily choosing to disbelieve in ALL OTHER gods, rather than assert ANOTHER religion in the place of their previous belief. That's why I'm posting the stereotypes video first, so both groups come to a common ground and understanding about each other. But yeah, I'm getting ahead of myself. Take care man!
end of comment! so you aren't a christian? this seems like a pretty evangelical christian conversation, anyone agree?
You're judging me based on what someone else has said??? That comment supports BassP86 is a Christian... which he is. Did you bother reading the comment I made on his page? It had little to do with what I believe.
"this seems like a pretty evangelical christian conversation"
No... it's an christian response to my comment. But of course you're not going to believe that are you?
would pretending to be atheist or agnostic in order to support christians against atheists or agnostics count as "taking their thinking to a higher level" I wonder :)
"which doesn't change the fact that christians defend christians whether right or wrong."
Go and actually watch a few of 5th's videos and you'll se how stupid that is. Not to mention you once again made an assertion without providing evidence.
"that includes things like favoriting, featuring or embedding a video, which essentially reproduces it."
No, I don't think you understand how videos or the internet works.
Favouriting doesn't reproduce it... at all. It just bookmarks a link, in essence.
Featuring is the same as embedding, and embedding is just a within-page redirection. It follows back to the original video. There is no reproduction. The difference is that the front-end doesn't change to YouTube.
"You also hereby grant each user of the YouTube Website a non-exclusive license to access your User Submissions through the Website, and to use, reproduce, distribute, display and perform such User Submissions as permitted through the functionality of the Website and under these Terms of Service."
Do you see that part where it says that there is a non-exclusive license to ACCESS the submissions? Yeah, that trumps your argument against downloading, even if computer reality didn't already.
Since 6C says "though the functionality of the site", that includes things like favoriting, featuring or embedding a video, which essentially reproduces it.
The "functionality of the site does NOT include the ability to edit other people's video's into your own or the ability to download videos for that reason, so giving that right/ability falls to the hands of the person who made the vid who "retain[s] all of [their] ownership rights in [their] User Submissions", according also to 6C.
You also hereby grant each user through the Website, and to use, REPRODUCE, DISTRIBUTE, DISPLAY and perform such User Submissions... as permitted by the functionality of the site.
So what have people done on the website that the website does not allow?
Even Venomfangx is able to understand thunderf00t is legally able to use the footage, the fool even says it on his video. Do you now understand you are wrong?
Heres the part you leep dodging, because yopu dont like the answer! want to grow up and answer it?
Even Venomfangx is able to understand thunderf00t is legally able to use the footage, the fool even says it on his video. Do you now understand you are wrong?
I've just done this to give you the benefit of the doubt, but all I can find involves someone going though another site to DL vids from youtube, which is a clear violations of YT's terms of service, as it involves the functionality of a site that is not youtube.
You could also use "quick capture" along with your webcam to record a YouTube video playing in your browser. You never have to download anything.
Also, Thunderfoot does have a CIVIL claim if VFX infringes on his 1st amendment rights.
Oh and let's say you're right. Thunderfoot has not committed purgery if he believes he's right. VFX committed purgery because he was informed he can't file the DMCA.
Damn, stop throwing around legal terms. It's only hurting your credibility.
Oh and I've got to say this again because it hasn't seemed to sink in.
ACTUAL legal experts have rendered their opinions and they have stated that you are wrong in almost every regard.
Until you get another lawyer to agree with you, YOU ARE WRONG. At this point, the only way you can convince anyone that you know anything, is to get UTube to issue a statement that users may not use other users' work.
Countless users do it all the time. If UTube doesn't allow this, why haven't they stopped us?
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
"without necessary authorizations"
6C You also hereby grant each user and to use, reproduce, distribute, display and perform such User Submissions as permitted through the functionality of the Website.
Can you explain what 6C says REPRODUCE whats that mean?
I delete offensive comments, but also the site has been giving me trouble recently. Unless the comment button changes to "Comment Posted!" you know it fucked up and you are gonna have to type it again.
Since 6C says "though the functionality of the site", that includes things like favoriting, featuring or embedding a video, which essentially reproduces it.
The "functionality of the site does NOT include the ability to edit other people's video's into your own or the ability to download videos for that reason, so giving that right/ability falls to the hands of the person who made the vid who "retain[s] all of [their] ownership rights in [their] User Submissions", according also to 6C.
What you don't realize is that watching a video on YouTube is downloading it. Maybe you don't know anything about computers. Anyway, it also explicitly outlines that others can reproduce.
Another thing you need to realize is that part of YouTube involves community interaction, which is in effect a functionality of the site. You can't really argue against that.
You don't even read the license that is outlined. It is very explicit.
Since 6C says "though the functionality of the site", that includes things like favoriting, featuring or embedding a video, which essentially reproduces it.
The "functionality of the site does NOT include the ability to edit other people's video's into your own or the ability to download videos for that reason, so giving that right/ability falls to the hands of the person who made the vid who "retain[s] all of [their] ownership rights in [their] User Submissions", according also to 6C.
So when are you going to put your money where your mouth is and go after GrifterGraham? I'm sure you will say something like "it's not worth my time" or "I would win,but I don't want to go through that trouble" Just grow a pair and admit you were WRONG. At this point it has stopped being a mistake and started to be a lie (as others have pointed out)...I thought you Christians were against lying?
From the youtube community guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page (different section):
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
Yes, so what?
6C as it says means when you out the video on youtube you give eevryone on yoube PERMISSION (now where did Is see that word in your comment?) To REPRODUCE , DUPLICATE your video.
"What's really ironic is that tf00t's "legal adviser" agrees with me on this point. "
Really wheres the video? and time etc to prove your statement. (You wont answer this because its a lie)
"You misunderstand what 6C is saying. "
6C You also hereby grant each user and to use, reproduce, distribute, display and perform such User Submissions as permitted through the functionality of the Website.
Can you explain what 6C says REPRODUCE whats that mean?
I'll prove it in my next video. He's been commenting on this video a lot and I took screen shots for he occasion. Cuz while I sure did slaughter my speech on all this, there clearly are still some misconceptions, this being one.
""Then again one lawyers opinion is just an opinion. "
Yea... What would lawyers know about the law? Right... "
They do, they know how to build a case for either side. Thats why people go to court, if all lawyers knew the answer and what side would win, why would anyone bother to go to court? You already know who is going to win.
This case as with all things are not balanced, in the civil case is clear cut VFX will loose.
I'll be clear. I haven't been following this because the whole thing is retarded. If Venom fang and thunderf00t are willing to go to court over this website they really need to get lives.
If thunderf00t's legal advisor agrees with 5th on this point (who's against thunderf00t) it's reasonable to assume he's correct. Right?
Thunderfoot just wants the christian fundies to stop using ILLEGAL methods to censor peoples freedom of speech, which is happening quite frequently among those who are speaking out againsst religion, especially christian fundamentalists!
You should really look at your insistance that your right, even in the face of written laws telling you you are not, and compare it to our religious belief. You might find an amaing realization flow over you.
VFX is way more emotional, yes, and tf00t is good at hiding it/overcoming it because he is very rational in the realm of information. That's my opinion.
That would be an understatement. PCS has the emotional quality of an angry and spoiled child. Watching his Joker routine and ranting about blackmail was not only absurd, since it was an ultimatum given by Thunder, but it truly, unadulteratedly, exposed the ignorance of PCS. Since he does not understand the difference between the definitions of ultimatum and blackmail. Thunder offered the ultimatum. An olive branch, if you will. Offering him a passage away from deletion and ridicule.
PCS tendered an apology. To his great discredit, it was not only disengenuous and and UNapologetic... It had to be ordered by YouTube and its cadre of copyright lawyers. Any real man, would accept his accountability and offer a true apology. One that is not enforced by rule of law, but by rule of personal integrity and honor.
VFX is looking for someone to support his point of view and say he did nothing wrong. You are providing this with an heir of confidence and intellectual understanding. Unfortunatly for you and even more unfortunatly for VFX you are pretty much dead wrong about the law. Ive been reading through the comments and there are copywright lawyers in this thread telling you you are wrong and you still go on about it.
If you manage to convince VFX he has done nothing wrong and as a result he decides to go to court rather than settle you have done him some serious harm. Are you as sure about what you are saying as you seem in this video?
Its not a big deal to pretend expertise in an argument if nothing is at risk and no one might get hurt...but VFX will suffer serious harm if he blusters his way into a courtroom with this crap. Shame on you putting your arrogance above his well being.
I use "pretty much" intentionally because i am not an expert in copywright law and do not wish to give the false impression that i am by using overconfident language. In fact thats my main beef with 5thwatchers presentation...it would be hypocritical of me to imitate it.
I trust those posters on your wall are copyrighted and somebody is making money from selling them. If this is so, you are actually illegally using copyrighted material you do not have the right to.
Even though you own them. You could be taking traffic from their money making webpages.
It's you know..just a little thing you should know about.
Actually, if you've ever seen the old cartoon Xmas special 'Mr. Magoo's Christmas Carol' (or whatever fuck it's called), the ghost of Xmas Present looks just like 5thWatcher.
Gee you should not talk about things you dont know anything about, its make syou look more stupid than you are. More stupid? hmm no just as stupid as you are.
What you are saying is nothing to do with the reality and you do not understand the topic.
deleting comments... pathetic. also, i cant reply to your comment you left on my page. could be a YT issue, but I really wouldnt be surprised if you blocked me from it.
Suppose you want to call someone a cocksucking douchebag. You oughtn't do it, on account of it's disrespectful.
Instead, you should say something like this:
'Fellow YT user, no offense, but with all due respect, I suspect you're a cocksucking douchebag. It is only a theory, and I use the term theory in the casual, nonscientific sense. It really is just a speculation on my part, that you are a cocksucking douchebag. I may be wrong. Respect!'.
If it were me, I would have avoided court as well, but it would have been in a different way.
VFX concedes because he was pressured into it. I still think he had a decent shot because tf00t was overly liberal with the use of footage and the fair use clause.
I admit that even if this could be agreed on, it could go either way in court, but that's my opinion.
"because tf00t was overly liberal with the use of footage"
If you say so, dude. You can only get any argument from the YTC guidelines, and copyright law says that parody, criticism, etc are fair use - but hey, you're only eight credits away from a law degree.
What the hell, you fruity looney, you use others videos in your replys all the time. Why you delete my comment, seems like all you christians are the same, dont prove I contradict myself or I shall delete your comments......nice
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
The youtube community guidelines are not laws. They're not even rules on youtube. They are simply statements of what youtube doesn't want you to do with the threat that doing it repeatedly MAY result in account termination. After you go finally look up the actual laws at hand, you should probably look up the definition of the word "guideline".
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
If I deleted your comment it was it included name calling or some other form of offense or lack of respect. Feel free to post again, sans a bad attitude.
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
well its my understanding (might be wrong) but unless you are a corporation or an organisation you do not have copyrights over your own statements unless you clearly mark them with the famous copyright symbol (C) but ofcourse in that case shawn the snake have done this way more than Thunderf00t.
No, any time someone creates any form of art (painting, video, song, etc.) there is an immediate copyright, but it's pretty weak to violation unless you back it with legal documents. 5th isn't wrong that shawn's videos are copyrighted but he's wrong that those copyrights were violated.
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
This is likely meant to help users, such as yourself, who don't fully understand copyright law in order to avoid incorrectly using/referencing material that wasn't originally theirs.
Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered fair, such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair:
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
Youtube terms of service article 6 section C shows why no, venom can't file the DMCA for "using his footage". It's odd, you act as though you didn't even read the terms of service, by uploading the video, venom utterly waved his exclusive rights to his videos, likewise, thunderf00t's comments are still covered under fair use. Venom would be wrong on both fronts. Read the terms of service before you make claims about the rights of uploaded videos.
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
I think you're too angry in these series of videos, anger just makes me uncomfortable. I want to laugh when I watch your videos. :(
Leilatheloony 3 years ago
You are proven to be quite inaccurate; Thunderf00t did have the rights to the footage. You loose.
Earlgrando 3 years ago 4
This bloke's funny! He's obviously trying to make sense, but misses the mark so consistently. True brilliance!
catalyst8 3 years ago
Look I found proof...
Google "declaration under penalty of perjury - legal definition"
Filling a false police report is also a crime which you will likely be prosecuted for and one of the charges will be perjury
PatentPending3265 3 years ago
the issue is the guy filed a false report or made a false statement in it.
its not perjury, its like filing a false police report.
scuddycares 3 years ago
i agree with the vid. they are both idiots.
scuddycares 3 years ago
Wrong.
MalchikBlue 3 years ago
Thunderf00t was legally wronged and venomfangx's half assed apology proves it. Whoops I guess you were wrong.
aquatania 3 years ago
Looks like you were fucking wrong.
As your probably aware, he DID infact commit purgery and had to apologize.
JarethGT 3 years ago 3
cmon man u cant even spell it.
perjury is lying under oath. that can only happen in places like court or congressional hearings.
scuddycares 3 years ago
By signing the complaint, you give your word that everything is true, to the best of your knowledge. That counts as an oath. Check out the print under your signature next time you sign some sort of legal document or even a job application. It usually says something like "I declare under penalty of perjury that the above info is true"
PatentPending3265 3 years ago
Mispelling doesn't make something invalid my friend.
JarethGT 3 years ago
The Transformative Factor:
The Purpose and Character of Your Use
"In a parody, for example, the parodist transforms the original by holding it up to ridicule."
Read something besides Wikipedia before forming a legal opinion.
Measuring Fair Use: The Four Factors. (2007). In Stanford Copyright & Fair Use [Web]. Stanford University Libraries. Retrieved 10/10/2008, from fairuse.stanford(.)edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-b.html
graveyardpc 3 years ago 2
omg LOL'd at the rating.
iLiberated 3 years ago
Oh, and just for fun, I'm going to concede the point about YouTube's Terms of Use. Let's say that Utube does not grant you non exclusive rights.
Fair use laws allow people to use portions of someone elses material (with due credit) if the purpose is for critical analysis. Thunderfoot was well within his legal rights.
Still don't believe? Ask VFX. It took some lawyers to convince him but he's conceded the point. You should too. Lest you look like a fool...more so
PatentPending3265 3 years ago
is this what you do all day patentpending3265?start fights with people?
i notice that you dont make videos...you just knock others...what a pitiful worm.
stonedcommander 3 years ago
Dude, you're a joke. People LAUGH at you. If you're for real, there's a lot of people who PITY you. Have you seen the latest Potholer54 video?
what makes what you do anymore legitimate than what I've done? At least my poking doesn't ignore simple facts like GRAVITY!
Could we not use 5thWatcher's page for personal conflicts? If you have something to say in regard to the video go ahead but don't stalk me throughout Utube when you could just send me a message.
Sorry watcher. This aint your problem
PatentPending3265 3 years ago 2
everyone laughs at everyone.
human nature at its worst.
stonedcommander 3 years ago
Its also very to hard to claim, I do not agree with my video being youtube even tho I put it there myself!
StupidCreationists 3 years ago
Plus, I've seen dpr's current comments on here, and they all indicate that 5thWatcher is totally wrong. Hell, there's even a comment that says that precisely.
/Not "pretty much" - totally wrong!/
Even IF you are (by chance) right at some things at some places, you ARE wrong here, and very much so.
I don't care if you "didn't speak right" when you made this. You are dead fucking wrong, and you can't back out of that.
GrifterGraham 3 years ago
"I've seen dpr's current comments on here"
Whats the full user name?
"Even IF you are (by chance) right at some things at some places, you ARE wrong here, and very much so."
That what my friends who is one of the top Patent attorneys in the country says aswell.
"You are dead fucking wrong, and you can't back out of that"
He will contuiinue to use creationist style pretending, head in the sand iI cant hear you! Im right! Im right!
gorilla199uncensored 3 years ago
Do you feel at all foolish for making this video? Because you certainly look foolish now, If I were you I would have removed and deleted this video by now and I would pretend it never existed. "venomfang could take him to court and he would win" "thunderfoot would be crushed under all his bullshit" christians do indeed stick together. You lie at the start of the video when you say you are on nobodies side! doesn't the bible say thou shalt not lie?
thevalkerie 3 years ago
"If I were you I would have removed and deleted this video by now and I would pretend it never existed."
He should have done that some time ago. I have a video response to this video of his. Two responses, actually. He removed the first one... for some reason. Maybe it's because he's angry at how wrong he is.
GrifterGraham 3 years ago
did you see the contradiction of him not taking any side and then mocking tfoot accent, saying he had no right to vfx videos, saying tfoot case would not stand up in court (something to do with bullshit apparently), saying vfx could take tfoot to court and would win, calling tfoots compromise blackmail and calling tfoot a slanderous thief, while praising anything in vfx he sees as good christian values. he says he is on neither side but he a christian defending a christian because hesa christiam
thevalkerie 3 years ago
He's attacked venomfang in several of his other videos.
Clarency 3 years ago
"He's attacked venomfang in several of his other videos. "
SO?
StupidCreationists 3 years ago
Before diving in you should probably read thevalkerie's comment. he's implying that 5th is bias towards christians. I presented evidence against it by pointing out that he also attacks christians.
Clarency 3 years ago
" I presented evidence against it by pointing out that he also attacks christians. "
5thwatcher is xtian! and a fundy?
So I dont think hes not biased.
StupidCreationists 3 years ago
I'm not a "fundie" and you are an idiot if you insist this in spite of my views being public.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
the point i was trying to make was that it doesn't matter if a christian is wrong, his christian brothers will defend him anyway, and you just reinforced this point
thevalkerie 3 years ago
And my point is that you're wrong. 5th attacks many of the fundamentalist christian values and is siding with venom because he believes he is right, not because he's a christian.
And I don't reinforce this point either, I'm agnostic.
Clarency 3 years ago
you make no point but instead declare me wrong without any reference to evidence! at least my arguement has ground to stand on; with reference to the material which I believe backs up my arguement and hence is worth presenting.
And I looked at your account, while you may be agnostic now, 7 months ago you were a funadmentalist christian, so I suggest you are still holding onto your notions of christian brotherhood, in which case you are still a christian and my point was reinforced!
:)
thevalkerie 3 years ago
Your argument:
1) 5thwatcher is bias towards Christians
2) venomfangx is a Christian
3) 5thwatcher is bias toward venomfangx
My criticism.
You've provided no evidence for premise 1. You're assuming it. I provided evidence that premise 1 is false, as 5th has a variety of videos attacking christianity (for the 3rd time), which is something a bias person would not do.
Refuted enough for you?
And no still. Why would a fundamentalist favourite "jesus or the bible"?
Clarency 3 years ago
Even if I were a Christian, it does not reinforce your point because you need to establish that I'm bias towards Christians, which you can't do.
Clarency 3 years ago
you seem to have missed the first comment you replied to, if you think that is my arguement, in which I provided my evidence or my observations that back up the claim that 5th is biased to venomfang, your criticism was nothing more than "hes not biased because he speaks against fundamentalism" which doesn't change the fact that christians defend christians whether right or wrong.
And I'll reply to the end of that post in the next comment!
thevalkerie 3 years ago
A comment taken from your account page clarency, first half:
Haha! Yeah man, I've thought that a few times myself. I'll be posting a video on "Stereotypes about Christians and Atheists", hopefully sometime later today if I get around to it. But yeah, I'm sick of seeing Christians who don't look into their own beliefs and take defending it seriously. They don't take their thinking to a higher level.
thevalkerie 3 years ago
second half:
This is why so many Christians have fallen to atheism, arbitrarily choosing to disbelieve in ALL OTHER gods, rather than assert ANOTHER religion in the place of their previous belief. That's why I'm posting the stereotypes video first, so both groups come to a common ground and understanding about each other. But yeah, I'm getting ahead of myself. Take care man!
end of comment! so you aren't a christian? this seems like a pretty evangelical christian conversation, anyone agree?
thevalkerie 3 years ago
Hahahahahahaahaha
You're judging me based on what someone else has said??? That comment supports BassP86 is a Christian... which he is. Did you bother reading the comment I made on his page? It had little to do with what I believe.
"this seems like a pretty evangelical christian conversation"
No... it's an christian response to my comment. But of course you're not going to believe that are you?
Clarency 3 years ago
would pretending to be atheist or agnostic in order to support christians against atheists or agnostics count as "taking their thinking to a higher level" I wonder :)
thevalkerie 3 years ago
Wrong again!!! Look I'm done here.
"which doesn't change the fact that christians defend christians whether right or wrong."
Go and actually watch a few of 5th's videos and you'll se how stupid that is. Not to mention you once again made an assertion without providing evidence.
Clarency 3 years ago
Ill make it really simple!
What was reproduce mean?
What does distribute mean?
StupidCreationists 3 years ago
that includes things like favoriting, featuring or embedding a video, which essentially reproduces it.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
"that includes things like favoriting, featuring or embedding a video, which essentially reproduces it."
No, I don't think you understand how videos or the internet works.
Favouriting doesn't reproduce it... at all. It just bookmarks a link, in essence.
Featuring is the same as embedding, and embedding is just a within-page redirection. It follows back to the original video. There is no reproduction. The difference is that the front-end doesn't change to YouTube.
GrifterGraham 3 years ago
"that includes things like favoriting, featuring or embedding a video, which essentially reproduces it. "
No thast does not reproduce it as you know with your wishy washy essentially.
what is the definition of reproduce? as in reporduce a video.
You didnt answer because its not the answer you like!
StupidCreationists 3 years ago
"You also hereby grant each user of the YouTube Website a non-exclusive license to access your User Submissions through the Website, and to use, reproduce, distribute, display and perform such User Submissions as permitted through the functionality of the Website and under these Terms of Service."
Do you see that part where it says that there is a non-exclusive license to ACCESS the submissions? Yeah, that trumps your argument against downloading, even if computer reality didn't already.
GrifterGraham 3 years ago
Since 6C says "though the functionality of the site", that includes things like favoriting, featuring or embedding a video, which essentially reproduces it.
The "functionality of the site does NOT include the ability to edit other people's video's into your own or the ability to download videos for that reason, so giving that right/ability falls to the hands of the person who made the vid who "retain[s] all of [their] ownership rights in [their] User Submissions", according also to 6C.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
" "retain[s] all of [their] ownership rights in [their] User Submissions", according also to 6C. "
Yes they do but they have given their permission for
You also hereby grant each user through the Website, and to use, REPRODUCE, DISTRIBUTE, DISPLAY and perform such User Submissions
This mean you can copy it fully.
StupidCreationists 3 years ago
You also hereby grant each user through the Website, and to use, REPRODUCE, DISTRIBUTE, DISPLAY and perform such User Submissions... as permitted by the functionality of the site.
Very important part at the end there.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
"as permitted by the functionality of the site."
"Very important part at the end there. "
So what have people done on the website that the website does not allow?
Even Venomfangx is able to understand thunderf00t is legally able to use the footage, the fool even says it on his video. Do you now understand you are wrong?
StupidCreationists 3 years ago
"So what have people done on the website that the website does not allow?"
Download others' videos for editing.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
Heres the part you leep dodging, because yopu dont like the answer! want to grow up and answer it?
Even Venomfangx is able to understand thunderf00t is legally able to use the footage, the fool even says it on his video. Do you now understand you are wrong?
StupidCreationists 3 years ago
Search "how to download videos from Youtube"
YouTube allows you to download Videos without ever leaving Youtube's website.
I've told you this before.
Before I thought you were just ignorant but now I think you're being stubern just for the fun of it.
PatentPending3265 3 years ago
I've just done this to give you the benefit of the doubt, but all I can find involves someone going though another site to DL vids from youtube, which is a clear violations of YT's terms of service, as it involves the functionality of a site that is not youtube.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
watch?v=O1OxtC8PlvU
You could also use "quick capture" along with your webcam to record a YouTube video playing in your browser. You never have to download anything.
Also, Thunderfoot does have a CIVIL claim if VFX infringes on his 1st amendment rights.
Oh and let's say you're right. Thunderfoot has not committed purgery if he believes he's right. VFX committed purgery because he was informed he can't file the DMCA.
Damn, stop throwing around legal terms. It's only hurting your credibility.
PatentPending3265 3 years ago 3
Oh and I've got to say this again because it hasn't seemed to sink in.
ACTUAL legal experts have rendered their opinions and they have stated that you are wrong in almost every regard.
Until you get another lawyer to agree with you, YOU ARE WRONG. At this point, the only way you can convince anyone that you know anything, is to get UTube to issue a statement that users may not use other users' work.
Countless users do it all the time. If UTube doesn't allow this, why haven't they stopped us?
PatentPending3265 3 years ago
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
"without necessary authorizations"
6C You also hereby grant each user and to use, reproduce, distribute, display and perform such User Submissions as permitted through the functionality of the Website.
Can you explain what 6C says REPRODUCE whats that mean?
StupidCreationists 3 years ago
"Can you explain what 6C says REPRODUCE whats that mean?"
It means I can go and buttsecks-rape this mofo thanks to YouTube's Terms of Use. WAY TO GO YOUTUBE!
Seriously though, 5thWatcher doesn't know a single thing.
I just made a recent video that tries to inform a bit about all of this.
GrifterGraham 3 years ago
"I just made a recent video that tries to inform a bit about all of this. "
I have already explained 6C to him, notice it was deleted, he doesnt like the truth about science or law or history im sure aswell.
StupidCreationists 3 years ago
I delete offensive comments, but also the site has been giving me trouble recently. Unless the comment button changes to "Comment Posted!" you know it fucked up and you are gonna have to type it again.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
Since 6C says "though the functionality of the site", that includes things like favoriting, featuring or embedding a video, which essentially reproduces it.
The "functionality of the site does NOT include the ability to edit other people's video's into your own or the ability to download videos for that reason, so giving that right/ability falls to the hands of the person who made the vid who "retain[s] all of [their] ownership rights in [their] User Submissions", according also to 6C.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
What you don't realize is that watching a video on YouTube is downloading it. Maybe you don't know anything about computers. Anyway, it also explicitly outlines that others can reproduce.
Another thing you need to realize is that part of YouTube involves community interaction, which is in effect a functionality of the site. You can't really argue against that.
You don't even read the license that is outlined. It is very explicit.
GrifterGraham 3 years ago
okay..... replace download with "save" and lets continue this without semantical nit-picking.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
"okay..... replace download with "save" and lets continue this without semantical nit-picking."
Oh, shove off. Don't try to argue that this is a semantic issue. That's a poor man's game that you're trying.
It's not particularly saving if you delete it after making your other video.
If you want to talk semantics, reproducing is quite clear. Try to get around that one.
You have no argument. It's fun to see you flail, though.
GrifterGraham 3 years ago
Since 6C says "though the functionality of the site", that includes things like favoriting, featuring or embedding a video, which essentially reproduces it.
The "functionality of the site does NOT include the ability to edit other people's video's into your own or the ability to download videos for that reason, so giving that right/ability falls to the hands of the person who made the vid who "retain[s] all of [their] ownership rights in [their] User Submissions", according also to 6C.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
So when are you going to put your money where your mouth is and go after GrifterGraham? I'm sure you will say something like "it's not worth my time" or "I would win,but I don't want to go through that trouble" Just grow a pair and admit you were WRONG. At this point it has stopped being a mistake and started to be a lie (as others have pointed out)...I thought you Christians were against lying?
ogami72 3 years ago
...an attourney from Bill and Ted's Excellent Law Firm...
chuckfaststrat 3 years ago
GrifterGraham has your video, which you think is breach of copyright.
So will you make a flase copyright claim against him (illegal und er the DMCA bill)
StupidCreationists 3 years ago
5thwatcher
READ USER AGREEMENT 6C That I have cut and pasted and shown you!
WHAT DOES IT SAY?
StupidCreationists 3 years ago
Read this, too:
From the youtube community guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page (different section):
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
5thWatcher 3 years ago
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
Yes, so what?
6C as it says means when you out the video on youtube you give eevryone on yoube PERMISSION (now where did Is see that word in your comment?) To REPRODUCE , DUPLICATE your video.
UNDERSTAND?
StupidCreationists 3 years ago
What's really ironic is that tf00t's "legal adviser" agrees with me on this point.
You misunderstand what 6C is saying.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
You don't understand at all what it's saying anywhere.
GrifterGraham 3 years ago
"What's really ironic is that tf00t's "legal adviser" agrees with me on this point. "
Really wheres the video? and time etc to prove your statement. (You wont answer this because its a lie)
"You misunderstand what 6C is saying. "
6C You also hereby grant each user and to use, reproduce, distribute, display and perform such User Submissions as permitted through the functionality of the Website.
Can you explain what 6C says REPRODUCE whats that mean?
No you dont its very simple!
StupidCreationists 3 years ago
I'll prove it in my next video. He's been commenting on this video a lot and I took screen shots for he occasion. Cuz while I sure did slaughter my speech on all this, there clearly are still some misconceptions, this being one.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
"I'll prove it in my next video"
I wont be holding my breath. Then again one lawyers opinion is just an opinion.
StupidCreationists 3 years ago
"Then again one lawyers opinion is just an opinion. "
Yea... What would lawyers know about the law? Right...
Clarency 3 years ago
""Then again one lawyers opinion is just an opinion. "
Yea... What would lawyers know about the law? Right... "
They do, they know how to build a case for either side. Thats why people go to court, if all lawyers knew the answer and what side would win, why would anyone bother to go to court? You already know who is going to win.
This case as with all things are not balanced, in the civil case is clear cut VFX will loose.
StupidCreationists 3 years ago
I'll be clear. I haven't been following this because the whole thing is retarded. If Venom fang and thunderf00t are willing to go to court over this website they really need to get lives.
If thunderf00t's legal advisor agrees with 5th on this point (who's against thunderf00t) it's reasonable to assume he's correct. Right?
Clarency 3 years ago
"If thunderf00t's legal advisor agrees with 5th on this point (who's against thunderf00t) it's reasonable to assume he's correct. Right? "
Where did you get this from? The video?
StupidCreationists 3 years ago
Thunderfoot just wants the christian fundies to stop using ILLEGAL methods to censor peoples freedom of speech, which is happening quite frequently among those who are speaking out againsst religion, especially christian fundamentalists!
thevalkerie 3 years ago
You should really look at your insistance that your right, even in the face of written laws telling you you are not, and compare it to our religious belief. You might find an amaing realization flow over you.
you live in a state of denial. wake up
zpt4xzpt4x 3 years ago
TF gets his facts straight but I think his motivations against VFX are more emotional in nature at times.
Emotional? TF? You did see the Joker routine put on by PCS didn't you?
Also, I'm done arguing for the defence. The case has been rested by the court of public opinion. PCS is finished and will apologize.
katey1dog 3 years ago
VFX is way more emotional, yes, and tf00t is good at hiding it/overcoming it because he is very rational in the realm of information. That's my opinion.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
That would be an understatement. PCS has the emotional quality of an angry and spoiled child. Watching his Joker routine and ranting about blackmail was not only absurd, since it was an ultimatum given by Thunder, but it truly, unadulteratedly, exposed the ignorance of PCS. Since he does not understand the difference between the definitions of ultimatum and blackmail. Thunder offered the ultimatum. An olive branch, if you will. Offering him a passage away from deletion and ridicule.
katey1dog 3 years ago
PCS tendered an apology. To his great discredit, it was not only disengenuous and and UNapologetic... It had to be ordered by YouTube and its cadre of copyright lawyers. Any real man, would accept his accountability and offer a true apology. One that is not enforced by rule of law, but by rule of personal integrity and honor.
katey1dog 3 years ago
5th,
If you are right then can you explain why VFX has issued a public apology and removed your video from his site?
dprjones 3 years ago 3
But the Youtube guidelines aren't the same as the terms of service. And the terms of service allow it.
coolman9999uk 3 years ago
VFX is looking for someone to support his point of view and say he did nothing wrong. You are providing this with an heir of confidence and intellectual understanding. Unfortunatly for you and even more unfortunatly for VFX you are pretty much dead wrong about the law. Ive been reading through the comments and there are copywright lawyers in this thread telling you you are wrong and you still go on about it.
wemustdissent 3 years ago
If you manage to convince VFX he has done nothing wrong and as a result he decides to go to court rather than settle you have done him some serious harm. Are you as sure about what you are saying as you seem in this video?
Its not a big deal to pretend expertise in an argument if nothing is at risk and no one might get hurt...but VFX will suffer serious harm if he blusters his way into a courtroom with this crap. Shame on you putting your arrogance above his well being.
wemustdissent 3 years ago
Unfortunatly for you and even more unfortunatly for VFX you are pretty much dead wrong about the law. "
____
Not "pretty much" - totally wrong!
dprjones 3 years ago
I use "pretty much" intentionally because i am not an expert in copywright law and do not wish to give the false impression that i am by using overconfident language. In fact thats my main beef with 5thwatchers presentation...it would be hypocritical of me to imitate it.
wemustdissent 3 years ago
I trust those posters on your wall are copyrighted and somebody is making money from selling them. If this is so, you are actually illegally using copyrighted material you do not have the right to.
Even though you own them. You could be taking traffic from their money making webpages.
It's you know..just a little thing you should know about.
JRBendixen 3 years ago
Speaking of Xmas specials, 5thWatcher also looks an awful lot like Herbie, the Elf who wants to be a dentist.
BillTheHeathen 3 years ago
Actually, if you've ever seen the old cartoon Xmas special 'Mr. Magoo's Christmas Carol' (or whatever fuck it's called), the ghost of Xmas Present looks just like 5thWatcher.
BillTheHeathen 3 years ago
Actually, it's the ghost of Xmas PAST that he looks like. My bad.
BillTheHeathen 3 years ago
Upps that didn't turn out so well!
JRBendixen 3 years ago
Gee you should not talk about things you dont know anything about, its make syou look more stupid than you are. More stupid? hmm no just as stupid as you are.
What you are saying is nothing to do with the reality and you do not understand the topic.
StupidCreationists 3 years ago
Judging by your other comments, neither do you.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
Well you point out you dont know anything about copyright.
StupidCreationists 3 years ago
deleting comments... pathetic. also, i cant reply to your comment you left on my page. could be a YT issue, but I really wouldnt be surprised if you blocked me from it.
23rice23 3 years ago
If that was true you would not have been able to post the comment I am replying to now.
Don't jump to conclusions.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
didn't. suggested a possible reason. that's not a conclusion.
23rice23 3 years ago
Cool then. I delete offensive comments. mostly name calling. It take a special kind of malice to also be blocked for this offense.
If I deleted a comment of yours, try again, respectfully.
"Respectful debate". Just like I mentioned in the video. I am serious about that.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
Hmmm... I think I get it.
It's like this:
Suppose you want to call someone a cocksucking douchebag. You oughtn't do it, on account of it's disrespectful.
Instead, you should say something like this:
'Fellow YT user, no offense, but with all due respect, I suspect you're a cocksucking douchebag. It is only a theory, and I use the term theory in the casual, nonscientific sense. It really is just a speculation on my part, that you are a cocksucking douchebag. I may be wrong. Respect!'.
BillTheHeathen 3 years ago
5th,
If you are correct why do you suppose VFX made a public apology and took your video off his site?
dprjones 3 years ago
Wow, truly epic fail.
787Bisurdaddy 3 years ago 2
Who is the more excessive narcissist Venomfangx or 5thWatcher?...eh who cares you both suck!
Fleeloo1 3 years ago 3
5th,
If you are right why do you suppose the VFX has made a public apology and removed your video from his site?
dprjones 3 years ago
If it were me, I would have avoided court as well, but it would have been in a different way.
VFX concedes because he was pressured into it. I still think he had a decent shot because tf00t was overly liberal with the use of footage and the fair use clause.
I admit that even if this could be agreed on, it could go either way in court, but that's my opinion.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
"because tf00t was overly liberal with the use of footage"
If you say so, dude. You can only get any argument from the YTC guidelines, and copyright law says that parody, criticism, etc are fair use - but hey, you're only eight credits away from a law degree.
Fordi 3 years ago
Its painfully obvious that you still have no concept of Fair Use.
DyersEve06 3 years ago 2
What the hell, you fruity looney, you use others videos in your replys all the time. Why you delete my comment, seems like all you christians are the same, dont prove I contradict myself or I shall delete your comments......nice
ladyboyloadsdotcom 3 years ago
"All the time"?
I have literally only done that once and it was with consent.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
I think f00t was too liberal in his use of VFXs footage to be covered by that, and at the very least he broke Yt's terms of use agreement.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
Calm down buddy. Just make your case, at the end of the day it's a free country and no one can take away what you believe.
And thank you, btw, for fending off some of these people for me....
way too many comment for me to keep up.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
My beliefs ≠ Creationism
5thWatcher 3 years ago
I should block you for suck a malicious insult.
:-P
5thWatcher 3 years ago
Cute.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
I've heard VFX is from Canada twice and once I heard NJ.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
Not my room
5thWatcher 3 years ago
Please explain how that explicitly states or even implies that copyright is not automatic rather than states exactly what it says.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
5thWatcher 3 years ago
TF gets his facts straight but I think his motivations against VFX are more emotional in nature at times.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
It is relevant if you post it on YT because then you are breaking the terms of use and proving it.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
I will be the first to criticize VFX's approach to Christianity. I PROMISE.
It doesn't mean he filed unwarranted DMCAs.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
You are wrong about my position on perjury.
I give both a before and after opinion.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
5thWatcher 3 years ago
Hmm. Okay, sure. I think people should ge the idea though.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
I was over zelous and spoke in black and white terms
5thWatcher 3 years ago
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
5thWatcher 3 years ago
The youtube community guidelines are not laws. They're not even rules on youtube. They are simply statements of what youtube doesn't want you to do with the threat that doing it repeatedly MAY result in account termination. After you go finally look up the actual laws at hand, you should probably look up the definition of the word "guideline".
aleceth 3 years ago
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
5thWatcher 3 years ago
I was not disputing any perjury claim.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
lol I hope you are not talking to me... I don;t care where tf00t is from, that is not how i judge people.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
..no shit?
5thWatcher 3 years ago
did you even watch your own video? and why did you delete my comment? ah screw you, not even worth the time......
matereymate 3 years ago
If I deleted your comment it was it included name calling or some other form of offense or lack of respect. Feel free to post again, sans a bad attitude.
I'm not holding it against you.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
Not quite what I was saying.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
indeed.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
From the youtube comminity guidelines page, copyright tips section:
"If youve recorded something from a DVD, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded a video online, dont post it unless you have permission."
From the same page:
"don't upload videos you didn't make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations."
5thWatcher 3 years ago
well its my understanding (might be wrong) but unless you are a corporation or an organisation you do not have copyrights over your own statements unless you clearly mark them with the famous copyright symbol (C) but ofcourse in that case shawn the snake have done this way more than Thunderf00t.
Psycnosis 3 years ago
No, any time someone creates any form of art (painting, video, song, etc.) there is an immediate copyright, but it's pretty weak to violation unless you back it with legal documents. 5th isn't wrong that shawn's videos are copyrighted but he's wrong that those copyrights were violated.
aleceth 3 years ago
If am 15 years old and in college that is actually pretty impressive.
Also the facial hair i got going on is pretty impressive for 15 too. :-P
5thWatcher 3 years ago
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5thWatcher 3 years ago
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5thWatcher 3 years ago
lol.
Not my room, if that means anything to you.
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5thWatcher 3 years ago
I am simply stating that it will be a pain in the ass for those involved since someone is going to have to cross borders to deal with it.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
I am not accusing anyone of anything, I'm just explaining the situation as i understand it.
might as well sue the news.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
On purjury I agree with you as stated in the video.... in the vid i describe how i felt at first and how i feel now.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
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5thWatcher 3 years ago
Slander does not justify a DMCA.
I wouldn't say that.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
I'm basing it on a description of the video and other videos that are still up which really hug the line at the very least.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
You make pretty emotional arguments for an atheist... isn't that a christian thing?
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5thWatcher 3 years ago
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5thWatcher 3 years ago
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5thWatcher 3 years ago
they didn't follow up in court.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
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5thWatcher 3 years ago
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5thWatcher 3 years ago
There is almost nothing VFX and i agree on.
But it doesn't mean that in legal matters he will always be wrong.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
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5thWatcher 3 years ago
the operative words being: "copyright TIPS"
This is likely meant to help users, such as yourself, who don't fully understand copyright law in order to avoid incorrectly using/referencing material that wasn't originally theirs.
chessmonk 3 years ago
5th,
Why, if you are right, do you suppose VFX has issued a public apology and removed your video from his site?
dprjones 3 years ago
you own a copy right to images you create, if YOU are in it, you own that image which contains your image.
soemone else records you with permistion, they own an image of your image.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
Here's the funny part,
Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered fair, such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair:
Legaltrap 3 years ago
So yes you cannot steal someones image and sell it on an oatmeal box, you can however take that image post it on the web and call the person fat.
Legaltrap 3 years ago
Or even stat why it's a poor picture, or how to take a better picture.
Legaltrap 3 years ago
"So yes you cannot steal someones image and sell it on an oatmeal box, you can however take that image post it on the web and call the person fat."
Yep. You can't control your image, as Michael Crook learned the hard way.
I think we should all take a picture of 5thWatcher and call him fat online.
GrifterGraham 3 years ago
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5thWatcher 3 years ago
You know after this is over, we could all be copyright attorneys.
katey1dog 3 years ago
Youtube terms of service article 6 section C shows why no, venom can't file the DMCA for "using his footage". It's odd, you act as though you didn't even read the terms of service, by uploading the video, venom utterly waved his exclusive rights to his videos, likewise, thunderf00t's comments are still covered under fair use. Venom would be wrong on both fronts. Read the terms of service before you make claims about the rights of uploaded videos.
Killua2001 3 years ago 3
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5thWatcher 3 years ago