@BaLLZofStEEL69 the example is complying with the demonstrater, therefor little to no pain has occurred. in defensive fighting, the side throw overs can dislocate/break your shoulder and elbow, and the neck throw over can break your neck. it is very deadly and rarely tought in martial arts. where i live, it is against the law to use this even in defense
@PandawdyBob Same reason you never see ANY martial art being used in real life. Most martial artists don't start fights, but when they HAVE to fight, it is usually over before a camera can be whipped out.
@PandawdyBob Aikido is a martial art with a specific philosophy. UFC, and MMA are sports for glory and trophy. These are the antithesis of Aikido. You would never find a Buddhist monk in the ring either. Also, some Aikido techniques are forbidden from the ring. Small circle Ju Jutsu as well. Breaking a finger or tearing a wrist apart to escape a hold is not allowed.
@Deke101 With all due respect (because I do like many of the moves taught in Aikido), less effective techniques have been filtered out, and that's why we don't see a lot of Aikido in the UFC. Obviously this does not apply to weapons or disarming techniques.
@PandawdyBob With equal respect, Aikido is NOT about techniques. It is about the underlying principle of movement. Many different techniques illustrate the same principle. Once the techniques are learned, you must forget them and rely on the principle.
@Deke101 ..some judo, karate, jiujitsu, taekwondo etc techniques are also banned or illegal in MMA and that doesn't stop people from using the legal ones. The truth is that if an aikidoka took off his skirt and fought any other style, experience between the opponents being equal, he'd take a shit kicking.
@Deke101 ..bullshit. There are many videos of people using martial arts in street fights. Check out the video here called "pimp vs karate expert" for an example. You may not see a Buddhist monk in the ring but you will see tons of guys who have trained kung fu. Aikido practitioners always fall back on the excuse that fighting goes against the philosophy. Sounds a lot like "I would kick your ass, but my mom won't let me fight."
@mapache11 I need nor offer any excuse. I have found what works for me in all situations of my life. One should not go looking for trouble. I have REAL life responsibilities to worry about, not go looking for stupid fights.
@Deke101 ..you're right it is the one using the art not the art itself. That's why I said 'experience between opponents being equal". Where did I say I was looking for stupid fights? You stated a reason for why aikidoka is not seen in a ring or octagon. I showed you evidence that the reason you gave is not true. You said that martial artists don't use their skills on the street. I gave you one of hundreds of examples of where they DO use their skill. You're wrong. Admit it and move on.
@mapache11 I stated the philosophy of Aikido is contrary to ring-fighting. This is not incorrect. I did not say martial artists do not use their skills on the street. I have used Aikido many times in real life. I said there is not usually a camera around when it happens. I am not sure why you are even trying to argue with me. I have been studying martial arts and their underlying philosophies for over 25 years. I have not made any false or incorrect statements.
@Deke101 ...there are thousands of aikido practitioners in the world. If it were of any use one of them would have tried to use it to make some money in a ring. Human nature and free will are stronger than any devotion to the philosophy of a martial art. Someone at some point would have been desperate for rent money and taken a fight. Again, the aikido excuse sounds like the kids that claim that they would kick your ass but their mom won't let them fight.
@mapache11 OR, maybe, just maybe, what I am saying is true. It is not that an aikidoka will not fight, it is that he will not fight without neccessity. Aikido is NOT fighting in the first place. The philosophy and the techniques can not be seperated. As soon as you do, it is no longer Aikido. It regresses back into Aikijitsu. One cannot go ad DO Aikido to someone.
@Deke101 ..look dickwad, you know what I am saying. The necessity may be that the aikidoka lost his job and has a pregnant wife/girlfriend. If aikido/aikijitsu were any good against other martial arts, someone, somewhere, in the last 30 or 40 years of ring sports would have tried to make some money at it. The fact that NOBODY has, does not say anything about the philosophy involved, it is proof that he'd get his ass kicked.
@mapache11 Dickwad? What are you, 12 years old? I know what you are saying. What I am saying is that no aikidoka I know would be caught anywhere near a fighting ring because fighting for sport is a dumb thing to do and is contrary to Aiki philosophy. There are PLENTY of alternatives to fighting if someone needed money. I would flip burgers before I flipped anyone for money. No aikidoka in a fighting ring is ONLY proof that there are no aikidoka in a fighting ring. Please grow up.
@mapache11 Now, if there is an ACTUAL mugging about to take place or a physical attack on someone in a public place, you might see what an aikidoka is truly capable of. THAT would be neccessity. As I have said before, I have used these techniques in real life several times. The only difference is that the real attacker never seems to fall as gracefully as a trained uke.
@mapache11 I know what you will say next. What if a trained fighter attacked me. In my YEARS of martial arts experience I have learned one thing. MOST trained fighters do not go looking for trouble and attack people. Martial arts is not about dick measuring and who can beat who. It is about bettering yourself. If you thingk that sounds like an excuse, then you are just sounding to me like "MY dad can beat your dad." I don't have time for playground antics.
@Deke101 ...I never mentioned you specifically, did I?? It is true that most people who train in martial arts do not go looking for a fight. That was not in dispute. The argument is about how effective the style is, not against a mugger who probably has no training at all and doesn't expect his victim to resist. but against someone who DOES expect to have to fight. and is trained. Aikidokas always fall back on the "philosophy" as an excuse. That and "small joint locks aren't allowed".
@mapache11 Philosophy is not an excuse, it is a reason. Would a vegetarian enter a hot dog eating contest? Oh, well, you just know you would lose, so you are using your diet as an excuse. Whatever.
Now, don't get me wrong. I have seen MANY lazy practitioners getting away with lazy technique, but that happens in MANY arts. It drives me crazy. Falling before the tech is applied, lame attacks, etc.
@Deke101 ..aikidoka avoid rings like the plague because they know they'll get the ass kicking of their life. Suddenly instead of falling over like a good uke, the guy kicks them in the side of the head.
@Deke101 ...a simple question. How do you think you would do using your 25 years as an aikidoka against my Muay Thai/BJJ instructor that has about the same number of years of experiance?? Let's say, hypothetically that he decided to mug you.
@mapache11 How would I do? I am sure we would get along splendidly. I would be honored to learn some of what he mat have to teach and I would be honored to bestow upon him any knowledge I have learned over the years. If we sparred, I am sure we would both conduct ourselves honorably. I seriously doubt he would try to mug me. You seem to be hung up on esoteric concepts that are meaningless in the grand scheme. I was once the same. I outgrew it.
@Deke101 ..I will take your evasion of a serious answer to my hypothetical situation as a "He'd kick my ass and take my money and watch." If you don't want to take the question seriously just say so. Stop being so esoteric. I never said that one style is the best, I said that aikido is a joke of a martial art if you are fighting anyone with any knowledge of any of the other martial arts.
@mapache11 (SIGH) Yes, of course. Aikido is a joke. That is why the founder of Judo sent his top students to study under Ueshiba. It is why countless people have dedicated their lives to it's humor and idiocy. It is why I and many others have used it in real life, not sporting events. I have not avoided you silly questions. I have tried to point out the silliness of them. several of my jobs have placed me in situations where I have HAD to defend myself. I assure you it was no joke.
@Deke101 ..let me rephrase the last part. It's a joke if you are fighting anyone with the same experience in any other martial art. I am sure that an experienced aikidoka could fend off a beginner in other fighting styles.
@mapache11 So, we are back to "one art is better than another." This simply is not the case. Aikido is not fighting. Most of the other martial arts are. Aikido is a study of motion, balance, momentum, and biomechanics. Comparing arts is like comparing apples to oranges. They are both fruit, but they are completely different. You ask how effective one is over another. It depends entirely on the practitioner. Are the techniques effective? Most definitely.
@mapache11 The SAME experience in DIFFERENT arts? That is absurd. You can not HAVE the same experience from different arts. What if one student trains under an aggressive teacher while the other trains under a passive one how can you compare the two? Each individual tranforms in different ways. As you grow in experience, you will find that these comparisons you are trying to make are indeed pointless. I would not call anyone's life persuit a joke. The joke would be on ME.
@Deke101 ....you have just made my point for me. Aikido is not fighting. That is why you don't see it used in a ring (or octagon). You could have saved us both a lot of time by admitting it the first place instead of using ther typical aikido cop out of "small joint locks aren't allowed in MMA" and 'it goes against the philosophy". Dance is also the study of motion, balance, momentum and biomechanics. You don't see ballerinas in MMA either.
@mapache11 LOL! Aikido is not fighting IS the philosophy. THAT is why I said it was the philosophy. NOT fighting has worked for MY purposes for over two decades now. Does anyone fight in a ring for over 20 years? Aikido will continue to work for MY purposes well past the age of 60.
@Deke101 ...you want it both ways. You say that aikido is not fighting. Fine. But you use it to defend yourself and my point is that the techniques that you use to defend yourself would not work against anyone who has had decent training in anyother martial art. It's that simple.
@mapache11 No, it is YOU who want it both ways. You want to say it does not work in a situation that I have never seen happen. I can usually tell if someone can be reasoned with at the beginning of an altercation. Most trained fighters I have encountered can usually be reasoned with.
I have sparred for fun with guys from other arts and the techniques still work. They are not as pretty, but they still do the job.
@mapache11 Ah, yes that is true of dance, however. The reasons for the study are quite different. The goal of dance is for entertainment and expression. The goal of Aikido is the peaceful resolution to conflict. Beating another into submission is not a peaceful resolution.
Not fighting has resolved a great many problems in my life, peacefully. Does that mean passively? No. Assertively and calmly.
@mapache11 Lol! If I DO break someone's wrist, it is probably my fault.
I was holding a shoplifter down in Nashville waiting for the cops and the guy wrenched his arm to try to escape and I did not let go in time and his shoulder popped right out of socket. Luckily it was all on the security cam, so, no litigation.
@Deke101 ..you apparently don't get sarcasm. Let me be more clear. The video shows one man throwing another man around like a doll. By any definiton there is violence. Why does there have to be blood for there have been violence??
@Deke101 ..so by your definition of violence, as long as there's no blood in the fight there was no violence??? What dictionary do you use in aikido??
@mapache11 I did not SAY there HAD to be blood to be violence. If you will also notice Uke gets up rather quickly without injury anfter he is thrown. My definition of violence is action that causes injury. It is quite possible to subdue one without causing injury.
@Deke101 ..your definition is wrong. Tell the person punched on the stomach that there was no violence involved.
There are no "two ways" about my argument. it is very clear. I have stated it several times. The original argument was that you don't see aikidoka (or aikijitsu) in a ring because the techniques will not work against an opponent who is trained in any other martial art.
@mapache11 Lol. you are arguing semantics now. Conflicts can be resolved peacefully, without injury, without violence on my part.
The techniques work fine against any attacker. Learning a martial art does not imbue one with a superhuman phisiology that defies normal biomechanics. Limbs still break and ligaments still tear.
You obviously glean your knowledge from videos and books and uniformed opinion. I speak from experience, many years of it.
The techniques work fine if the attacker lets you use them like a good uke or an average person on the street. I have been studying Muay Thai and Jiujitsu for over ten years. Aikido techniques would only work on me if I was stupid enough to get grabbed by my arm and then not beat the guy with my free hand and feet.
@mapache11 It's strange that you say that. From someone who is training martial arts for more than ten years I would expect less ignorance and more knowelegde. I have been training Aikido for several years and I assure you that it is effective against any other fighting style. As Aikido is more sword/staff fighting oriented it also has a large variety of hand to hand tehniques. However in the end it all comes to ones speed, strength and reflexes, regardless of the fighting style you use.
@Sivy604 ...you can assure me of nothing. Show me any video of aikidoka defeating Muay Thai, judo, or karate in a ring, not in some lame half assed sparring session. I know what aikido is and its origins. It is not effective against anyone with experience in any martial art:(except possibly TKD, depending on the style).
@Sivy604 ..speed etc being relatively equal, aikido stands no chance. That's why aikidoas alwys fall back on the argument of "fighting in a ring goes against the philosophy" or "it's so dangerous, we can't employ some of the techniques".
@mapache11 I don't fall back on that argument. What I will say is that if you think what you're seeing here is the method of aikido that would be used in an actual situation then you've been misinformed. As with all martial arts it only serves to give you tools in which to beat your opponent. As in jujutsu etc you fight as you would but the extra tools give you an advantage. Posture, balance, centre and techniques are ALL beneficial in a real fight. You don't use it in it's pure form.
@sum1otosh1 ..then why don't you see aikidokas in MMA competition? The arguments given by aikidokas are always: it is against our philosophy and the joint locks we apply are illegal and too dangerous.
@mapache11 Technically it is against most aikidoka philosophy but I see no reason for tomiki guys to take part. I will say this though, even as an aikidoka, most of us are either shit or wimps lol. I'm lucky that my sensei is very much into real application otherwise I would never have taken it up. My own experience is in competitive and real world martial arts and I always search for practicality. Sadly most aikidoka have never had an actual fight or have lost the martial aspect to theirart
@sum1otosh1 LOL. I agree with your comment. I have trained in Aikido since 1991. MANY practitioners are hippies, yuppies, wimpy pacifists who have either forgotten or ignore te roots of Aikido. They are swept up in the mystique instead of the application. My sensei, Mitsugi Saotome has spoken at length about this very thing. We must be ever vigilant to keep practice from becoming Bulshit Waza.
@Deke101 You've nearly doubled my years on the mat lol
I studied Lau Gar and the apllication of Jeet Kune Do before I started aiki. I've always sought the martial in the art. It's why I learn it in the first place. I was lucky that I found one of the few aikido senseis that can say. "This is kata, this is freeplay, this is randori and THIS is practical" Never throw away what works, just add to it. That's my opinion.
@mapache11 I will say though that most BJJ techniques come from the same source as aikido techniques which is aiki-jutsu and you often see them employed in combat sports such as cage fighting and the UFC. The more dangerous ones aren't practised amongst the sporting guys simply because they are banned in sport or that without proper ukemi the techniques would break or dislocate limbs and ukemi isn't really the focal point of such competitions.
@sum1otosh1 ..since there are only so many ways to bend a joint, then I suppose all arts that employ such holds and techniques are going to be similar, and so must come from the same source. I appreciate the humbleness of your reply, it is very unlike the lajority of aikidoka who simply make excuses. I really would like to see aikidokas in some sort of grappling competition just for the spectacle/sport of it. No punching or kicking, just throws, holds and joint manipulation.
@mapache11 I suggest finding yourself a good tomiki class and getting to know a few of the aikidoka. Some of us do 'mess around' with grappling competitions. Personally I'm after self defence/martial aspects rather than sport although I've been to a few MMA clubs when I've been invited and had a couple of friendly matches, some I won, some I didn't. But I put that down to my failings not the art.
@mapache11 I know that feeling lol. The missus complains like hell when I go to visit other clubs. "Don't you train enough as it is?" ROFL ....simple answer "NO"
@mapache11 "I really would like to see aikidokas in some sort of grappling competition just for the spectacle/sport of it. No punching or kicking, just throws, holds and joint manipulation."
Sport is not a part of Aikido, thats the complete opposite of the true spirit of the art. It would breed ego when the focus should be humility. Anyone who says otherwise most likely doesnt know what they are talking about. If you have doubts of this, then research O'Sensei's teachings. It not hard to find.
@mapache11 This has been fun, but I see this is getting nowhere. You are only concerned with "kicking ass." Enjoy it while it lasts, I suppose, because after 40 that BS goes out the window quick. Reality sets in and hopefully your concerns direct themselves to what is important in life.You want to call other arts a joke and look like a clod, that's cool. Even though MMA is useless for my own purposes, I would never call it a joke. You can have the final say. Peace.
@Deke101 ..you claim to have used in on the street. That is not the argument.
You claim to have sparred against other martial arts, that is not the same either.
Violence is the expression of physical or verbal force against self or other, compelling action against one's will on pain of being hurt. Physical force exerted for the purpose of violating, damaging, or abusing.
@mapache11 You claimed it was ineffective. I claim different. You said it does not work against any other art. I claim different. You ran to a dictionary for a few official definitions. I said off the top of my head action that causes injury. My def sounds alot like the official ones you grabbed.
@Deke101 ...I claimed it was ineffective against other forms of martial arts. You claimed that it was effective against college jocks, angry boyfriends and assorted shoplifters.
@Deke101 ..aikido is effective on a) drunks b) people with no fighting experience c) overconfident knuckleheads who telegraph punches d) people who attack you with their arm extended and don't try to use their other appendages.
@mapache11 In my time I have used Aikido on a) college jocks b) enraged boyfriends c) convenience store robbers d) car jackers. You know, REAL life situations. No rules, no ref, no ring.
@Deke101 ...if you had said that you had used your dancing skills on experienced pratitioners of karate, judo, jiujitsu, taekwondo, kung fu, Muay Thai, boxing or any other form of self defense I would have cared. Krav maga would have been impressive.
@mapache11 Lol. Dancing skills. Funny. I train with people of all sorts of martial arts backgrounds. I studied Wado Ryu Karate before Aikido. I have shared a dojo with a Judo club in the past and we cross trained regularly. Here in Dallas, I train sometimes with some friends at Dallas Wing Tsun headed by Master Leung Ting, a direct student of Yip Man. I never met any Krav maga people.
@Deke101 ... If I offered a bunch of vegetarians $50,000 if they could win a hot dog eating contest against some non-vegetarians, (not professional eaters) someone would take me up on it. They may even win. They have the same anatomy as everyone else. If I offered a bunch of aikidokas the money to fight in a ring vs fighters of any other martial art (not professionals, but of equal experience), some may take the offer, but the would get a shit kicking. Your analogy is flawed.
@mapache11 You might find a few who would take your offer. That does not mean my analogy was flawed. It was about philosophy, not anatomy. You have no idea how one person or the next would fair in a sparring match.
Arguing this point is senseless. Martial arts cannot be judged superior to one another anymore than dances can be judged superior to one another.
@mapache11 Here is the bottom line. Most of us grownups who have dedicated ourselves to a persuit of self betterment are simply not concerned with the things you might be. Youth is fleeting. Older guys know better. Who can kick who's ass just no longer fits into the equation of our lives anymore. We simply don't care. No one is Superman. Anyone can be beaten. I can rest knowing that at any time, I will conduct myself with honor regardless of the outcome. Peace.
exactly .. look how the 'victim' is making it all look more dramatic and actually using his muscles to make the other look more powerful. i wonder how this guy in his dress would end up facing a few drunk brits or russians lol
But those offended by comments on their 'art' are stupid, think about criticism and use it!
All styles are adapted to different distances, personal capabilities, opponent and situations. There is NO magically perfect style! But it's all business and stupidity, but think for yourself en experiment. And most of all: a combat sport (KO by rules, bitch if someone breaks them) is not a martial art (NO rules, except surviving at all cost: lies, hidden weapon, eye strikes, the goal is life, not glory!
people, PLEASE think! aikido comes from swordfighting, so alotta techniques are meant against a sworded opponent. It takes some effort to visualise yourself against a swordsman if he's not present. If you practise, visualise your opponent it will be very effective, not at blocking attacks, but at dodging them. See, boxing is better for a boxing streetfight. But do you think it would be effective to block a sword with boxing techniques? Practise alot of styles, so no judgment intended.
@airsurfer76 is there a technique that is some sort of "master" technique to defend yourself in most situations, whether your attacker has a knife, sword or simply is a good fighter?
@worldatmyfingertips7 Unfortunately, in the real world, there is no ONE technique that will defend you from any attack. Each attack is different. Each attack can be defeated by a number of defensive or offensive techniques from a number of different arts. I will say the human body only moves in certain ways and this is why martial arts techniques work.
I would say a gun is the most versatile and practical tool for self defense. The thing is, you don't always have one.
@Deke101 yeah! the gun but that entails so many legal issues and also they have to investigate to really determine it was self defense. I would just wound my attacker I guess and never kill him if it's not necessary. What can you tell me about Kung Fu? What's the philosophy? Sorry I have to ask I'm curious about it?
@worldatmyfingertips7 There are several different styles of Kung Fu each with their own philosophies. Shaolin, Wushu, Animal styles, Family styles, Chinese boxing, Chinese wrestling, Tai Chi, Wing Chung. Please be more specific.
@worldatmyfingertips7 OK. There are literally hundreds of fighting styles claiming link to the Shaolin Monastery. It would be impossible to trace them for ceretain. The fighting styles came from monks trained to protect the monastery from pirates and thugs. Over time, the monks became more and more proficient at their 'external' fighting arts. Now, Shaolin is a word that encompasses MANY different types of Kung Fu. It may be necessary to visit an actual temple to receive actual Shaolin training.
@worldatmyfingertips7 The main Shaolin Temple in the US is located in NY. I believe they have a website. Perhaps they can direct you to a satelite temple in your area. Beware fake schools claiming affiliation with Shaolin, they are quite abundant. As far as philosophy goes, Shaolin is a Buddhist order. It's Kung Fu is intertwined with Buddhist philosophy. If you do not wish to become a Buddhist, it may be difficult to learn Shaolin Kung Fu. I hope this helps. Peace.
I don't understand the "faces of death" part in the title???
I don't practice Aikido but all MA take time to master, and if you put the time/effort in it is worth it.
Aikido seems a more "intelligent" MA in the similar way Wing Chun can be (Although Aikido uses biomechanics and WC sensory/touch training). Both seem very well thought out to me and at the same time hard to get your head around.
I personally like Taekwondo, its a bit more sporty =)
@magnificationman True. I practice Aikido and a friend of mine WT. It's interesting when we come to the topic of martial arts.
In fact Aikido and Wing Tsun have very similar aspects. Aikido is also very sensorical, as WT is also very "biomechanical".
But of course they both have big differences.
Simply because of their background. (Aikido is supposed to be the "essence of budo", to "win without fighting" and WT was supposed to make you skilled in a short amount of time.
@FinalKenny2 hmmm, I like them both. I think I will be recahing out to a more closer ranged MA soon. The thing I really love about different MA is how they make you think differently about a lot of things. I think I get off on the concepts more than the abilities, but I guess the concepts are the fundementals
@magnificationman Sure, but you really have to be careful. Often when you mix martial arts you easily screw up the form and the nothing properly works.
I tried also doing WT but quickly figured out that it is a finished up system you can't really combine.
The forms came in conflict. Even though they are so similar.
But now I'm looking into Taijiquan. It is said to be the wushu-equivalent to Aikido and also Ueshiba was influenced by a TCQ-master.
@magnificationman And yeah, the more mental aspects are very interesting. My friend always tells me about Chinese philosophies while I tell him about the Japanese ones. Those are fun evenings. ;D
a cocksucker like you only knows how to yap. You don't know how to listen and learn. I give you a very simple example. Suppose you had to teach your child how to break out of a wrist grab from a bully. What's the first thing he should do? What's the weak point on the human hand? How should he move?
we got a bunch of fucking jackasses here making comments without using their brain. Combat consists of many ranges, from long to short to close range grappling and weaponry. Every style out there specializes in one or more of these ranges. Aikido happens to specialize in close range attacks (esp charging attacks, grabs, pulls, etc) and utilizes principles of evasive footwork and circular motion.
You know, you guys are really disrespectful, and I think that someone should teach you a lesson. But wait, you're in the computer, so that means you're safe, but how about one of you smug little aikido skeptics go out IN PUBLIC, and restate your comments. See how far you can push people til' they beat you senseless.
I agree 100 per cent with you!Most of these people in any case are complete loosers in life,the only thing that they are good at is being disrespectful to people who are achieving goals in their life.
Actually, I can go out and state my point of view on Aikido and not one of them will do a thing.
They will not enter any kind of fighting competition or take any challenge. I would have to attack them first. That's their belief.
Here's mine. I studied it for a year and realized pretty quickly that I had a lot of doubts. So did the First kyu I trained with. Since I saw BJJ doing well, I felt better about training in that. I learned more in a month than a year at Aikido.
yes...in aikido i learned how to use the KI in the fight but i dont use the aikido tehnic, i can use the KI combined whit Krav Maga and it is more effective, but every one has he own opinion i just told my opinion, we are not the same...you dont have to agree
no chance that you can find it. Just doesn't exist
They tried to have one shot, but it never ends up good. They always got owned...black eyes, broken legs, and etc....just too embarrassing to post,,,so you got the idea
Yes it is a demo, yes it is prearranged. yes it does work in the street. Why do think that none of the contact fighters put it down? or even mention their art as being superior? It's not the art, it's the fighter. real fights do it on concrete. and they are not wearing speedos or trunks. you ever been dropped on cement? if you get thrown hard, you won't get up. you everbeen punched without gloves by a real fighter? it hurts. Before you put down any ones ability go to an Aikido dojo and fight.
I would beg you to try it. Or view any of the particularly awesome videos on youtube showing someone trying to get in a fight with an aikido practitioner. Also, the point of martial arts is not to help you in street fights. It's in case someone mugs you or assaults you. You don;t learn aikido because you want to hurt someone, you learn it to defend yourself. Passively.
If you want a REAL self defense that actually WORKS and not on stupid demonstration go and learn MCMAP/Krav Maga/Karate/Dennis Survival but not retarded Aikido.
Your remark has some pertinency if you believe that this video is actualy Aikido! The problem is that this is only perverted parody of Aikido turned in a prearanged business making show. I'm not saying that they haven't work hard for runing around this way or that they haven't any skill.I'm just saying that THIS IS NOT AIKIDO! It is just a PRE-ARANGED SKILFULL SHOW alike Catch! But it would be fun though to see how you'd manage in front of Tissier with your suprem selfdefense arts!!
Aikido is about redirecting energy and harmony, its not about beating the shit out of somebody
mrhotmale99 7 months ago 3
wow best crap for house flies
awisudan 9 months ago
one word! AIKIDO maybe seem not working but i dont care at least you learn how to fall in the floor without getting harmed.. haha
HermesDo 11 months ago
OMG, sorry guys, title was incorrect. it was my mistake.
Drugsoul 1 year ago
@rxiongstie umm not really it feels more like… "wtf is going on?" and then Splat!
kinda like being tossed
hendrikmarine 1 year ago
Whats funny is this shit dont waor like they make it out too......... Look at the UFC these guys dont pull any of this shit off.
scottbriggs100 1 year ago
omg dat shit was hot
swagga38 1 year ago
Faces of demonstration
Zigej 1 year ago
how the fuck did that have anything to do with faces of death?
BaLLZofStEEL69 1 year ago 9
@BaLLZofStEEL69 the example is complying with the demonstrater, therefor little to no pain has occurred. in defensive fighting, the side throw overs can dislocate/break your shoulder and elbow, and the neck throw over can break your neck. it is very deadly and rarely tought in martial arts. where i live, it is against the law to use this even in defense
anasamla 1 year ago
@BaLLZofStEEL69 cause it will kill you from boredom...
chonitoconnery 7 months ago
Here, take my hand and throw me.........
Richtothemax 1 year ago
baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa Faces of Death LOL
theoutlaw346 1 year ago 2
fake and gay. The opponent only attacks with one hand, and has the counter memorized so he can jump and flip to make the other guy look good.
GorgonLuvs8008135 1 year ago
MMA is better
ivelocityi 1 year ago
@ivelocityi Yeah, for selling sports memorabilia.
Deke101 1 year ago
Budo for the New Age.
blacksashman 1 year ago
whats with the dresses
pingice2 1 year ago
@pingice2 I guess it's the traditional dress for Aikido. A gi with a cloth belt doesn't make a lot of sense either.
PandawdyBob 1 year ago
bow to your sensei bitch!!!!
yellosno432 1 year ago
when against one or more dressed up aikido or karate dudes in modern situation simply follow the steps provided along with MTV channel.
take out your "heather" flip it horizontaly and shoot them. repeat the action until they stop moving haahah
Thefallenraptor 1 year ago
Why is aikido only seen being used in demos?
PandawdyBob 1 year ago
@PandawdyBob Same reason you never see ANY martial art being used in real life. Most martial artists don't start fights, but when they HAVE to fight, it is usually over before a camera can be whipped out.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 Oh OK. Let me be more specific then. Why don't we see Aikido being used in UFC or Pride?
PandawdyBob 1 year ago
@PandawdyBob Aikido is a martial art with a specific philosophy. UFC, and MMA are sports for glory and trophy. These are the antithesis of Aikido. You would never find a Buddhist monk in the ring either. Also, some Aikido techniques are forbidden from the ring. Small circle Ju Jutsu as well. Breaking a finger or tearing a wrist apart to escape a hold is not allowed.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 With all due respect (because I do like many of the moves taught in Aikido), less effective techniques have been filtered out, and that's why we don't see a lot of Aikido in the UFC. Obviously this does not apply to weapons or disarming techniques.
PandawdyBob 1 year ago
@PandawdyBob With equal respect, Aikido is NOT about techniques. It is about the underlying principle of movement. Many different techniques illustrate the same principle. Once the techniques are learned, you must forget them and rely on the principle.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 you r correct.. in aikido you fight and train as tho ur life is on the line
617edmonddantes 1 year ago
@Deke101 ..some judo, karate, jiujitsu, taekwondo etc techniques are also banned or illegal in MMA and that doesn't stop people from using the legal ones. The truth is that if an aikidoka took off his skirt and fought any other style, experience between the opponents being equal, he'd take a shit kicking.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 I have trained in Aikido for almost twenty years now. It is not the art. It is the one using it.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 ..bullshit. There are many videos of people using martial arts in street fights. Check out the video here called "pimp vs karate expert" for an example. You may not see a Buddhist monk in the ring but you will see tons of guys who have trained kung fu. Aikido practitioners always fall back on the excuse that fighting goes against the philosophy. Sounds a lot like "I would kick your ass, but my mom won't let me fight."
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 I need nor offer any excuse. I have found what works for me in all situations of my life. One should not go looking for trouble. I have REAL life responsibilities to worry about, not go looking for stupid fights.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 ..you're right it is the one using the art not the art itself. That's why I said 'experience between opponents being equal". Where did I say I was looking for stupid fights? You stated a reason for why aikidoka is not seen in a ring or octagon. I showed you evidence that the reason you gave is not true. You said that martial artists don't use their skills on the street. I gave you one of hundreds of examples of where they DO use their skill. You're wrong. Admit it and move on.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 I stated the philosophy of Aikido is contrary to ring-fighting. This is not incorrect. I did not say martial artists do not use their skills on the street. I have used Aikido many times in real life. I said there is not usually a camera around when it happens. I am not sure why you are even trying to argue with me. I have been studying martial arts and their underlying philosophies for over 25 years. I have not made any false or incorrect statements.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 ...there are thousands of aikido practitioners in the world. If it were of any use one of them would have tried to use it to make some money in a ring. Human nature and free will are stronger than any devotion to the philosophy of a martial art. Someone at some point would have been desperate for rent money and taken a fight. Again, the aikido excuse sounds like the kids that claim that they would kick your ass but their mom won't let them fight.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 OR, maybe, just maybe, what I am saying is true. It is not that an aikidoka will not fight, it is that he will not fight without neccessity. Aikido is NOT fighting in the first place. The philosophy and the techniques can not be seperated. As soon as you do, it is no longer Aikido. It regresses back into Aikijitsu. One cannot go ad DO Aikido to someone.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 ..look dickwad, you know what I am saying. The necessity may be that the aikidoka lost his job and has a pregnant wife/girlfriend. If aikido/aikijitsu were any good against other martial arts, someone, somewhere, in the last 30 or 40 years of ring sports would have tried to make some money at it. The fact that NOBODY has, does not say anything about the philosophy involved, it is proof that he'd get his ass kicked.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 Dickwad? What are you, 12 years old? I know what you are saying. What I am saying is that no aikidoka I know would be caught anywhere near a fighting ring because fighting for sport is a dumb thing to do and is contrary to Aiki philosophy. There are PLENTY of alternatives to fighting if someone needed money. I would flip burgers before I flipped anyone for money. No aikidoka in a fighting ring is ONLY proof that there are no aikidoka in a fighting ring. Please grow up.
Deke101 1 year ago
@mapache11 Now, if there is an ACTUAL mugging about to take place or a physical attack on someone in a public place, you might see what an aikidoka is truly capable of. THAT would be neccessity. As I have said before, I have used these techniques in real life several times. The only difference is that the real attacker never seems to fall as gracefully as a trained uke.
Deke101 1 year ago
@mapache11 I know what you will say next. What if a trained fighter attacked me. In my YEARS of martial arts experience I have learned one thing. MOST trained fighters do not go looking for trouble and attack people. Martial arts is not about dick measuring and who can beat who. It is about bettering yourself. If you thingk that sounds like an excuse, then you are just sounding to me like "MY dad can beat your dad." I don't have time for playground antics.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 ...I never mentioned you specifically, did I?? It is true that most people who train in martial arts do not go looking for a fight. That was not in dispute. The argument is about how effective the style is, not against a mugger who probably has no training at all and doesn't expect his victim to resist. but against someone who DOES expect to have to fight. and is trained. Aikidokas always fall back on the "philosophy" as an excuse. That and "small joint locks aren't allowed".
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 Philosophy is not an excuse, it is a reason. Would a vegetarian enter a hot dog eating contest? Oh, well, you just know you would lose, so you are using your diet as an excuse. Whatever.
Now, don't get me wrong. I have seen MANY lazy practitioners getting away with lazy technique, but that happens in MANY arts. It drives me crazy. Falling before the tech is applied, lame attacks, etc.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 ..aikidoka avoid rings like the plague because they know they'll get the ass kicking of their life. Suddenly instead of falling over like a good uke, the guy kicks them in the side of the head.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 It is an honor to meet one with such mental prowess that he can glean the motivation of thousands of people without ever meeting them.
Blanket statements do no one any good.
To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 ...a simple question. How do you think you would do using your 25 years as an aikidoka against my Muay Thai/BJJ instructor that has about the same number of years of experiance?? Let's say, hypothetically that he decided to mug you.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 How would I do? I am sure we would get along splendidly. I would be honored to learn some of what he mat have to teach and I would be honored to bestow upon him any knowledge I have learned over the years. If we sparred, I am sure we would both conduct ourselves honorably. I seriously doubt he would try to mug me. You seem to be hung up on esoteric concepts that are meaningless in the grand scheme. I was once the same. I outgrew it.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 ..I will take your evasion of a serious answer to my hypothetical situation as a "He'd kick my ass and take my money and watch." If you don't want to take the question seriously just say so. Stop being so esoteric. I never said that one style is the best, I said that aikido is a joke of a martial art if you are fighting anyone with any knowledge of any of the other martial arts.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 (SIGH) Yes, of course. Aikido is a joke. That is why the founder of Judo sent his top students to study under Ueshiba. It is why countless people have dedicated their lives to it's humor and idiocy. It is why I and many others have used it in real life, not sporting events. I have not avoided you silly questions. I have tried to point out the silliness of them. several of my jobs have placed me in situations where I have HAD to defend myself. I assure you it was no joke.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 ..let me rephrase the last part. It's a joke if you are fighting anyone with the same experience in any other martial art. I am sure that an experienced aikidoka could fend off a beginner in other fighting styles.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 So, we are back to "one art is better than another." This simply is not the case. Aikido is not fighting. Most of the other martial arts are. Aikido is a study of motion, balance, momentum, and biomechanics. Comparing arts is like comparing apples to oranges. They are both fruit, but they are completely different. You ask how effective one is over another. It depends entirely on the practitioner. Are the techniques effective? Most definitely.
Deke101 1 year ago
@mapache11 The SAME experience in DIFFERENT arts? That is absurd. You can not HAVE the same experience from different arts. What if one student trains under an aggressive teacher while the other trains under a passive one how can you compare the two? Each individual tranforms in different ways. As you grow in experience, you will find that these comparisons you are trying to make are indeed pointless. I would not call anyone's life persuit a joke. The joke would be on ME.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 ....you have just made my point for me. Aikido is not fighting. That is why you don't see it used in a ring (or octagon). You could have saved us both a lot of time by admitting it the first place instead of using ther typical aikido cop out of "small joint locks aren't allowed in MMA" and 'it goes against the philosophy". Dance is also the study of motion, balance, momentum and biomechanics. You don't see ballerinas in MMA either.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 LOL! Aikido is not fighting IS the philosophy. THAT is why I said it was the philosophy. NOT fighting has worked for MY purposes for over two decades now. Does anyone fight in a ring for over 20 years? Aikido will continue to work for MY purposes well past the age of 60.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 ...you want it both ways. You say that aikido is not fighting. Fine. But you use it to defend yourself and my point is that the techniques that you use to defend yourself would not work against anyone who has had decent training in anyother martial art. It's that simple.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 No, it is YOU who want it both ways. You want to say it does not work in a situation that I have never seen happen. I can usually tell if someone can be reasoned with at the beginning of an altercation. Most trained fighters I have encountered can usually be reasoned with.
I have sparred for fun with guys from other arts and the techniques still work. They are not as pretty, but they still do the job.
Deke101 1 year ago
@mapache11 Ah, yes that is true of dance, however. The reasons for the study are quite different. The goal of dance is for entertainment and expression. The goal of Aikido is the peaceful resolution to conflict. Beating another into submission is not a peaceful resolution.
Not fighting has resolved a great many problems in my life, peacefully. Does that mean passively? No. Assertively and calmly.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 ...right. Your honor I did break the man's wrist, but I did it PEACEFULLY.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 Lol! If I DO break someone's wrist, it is probably my fault.
I was holding a shoplifter down in Nashville waiting for the cops and the guy wrenched his arm to try to escape and I did not let go in time and his shoulder popped right out of socket. Luckily it was all on the security cam, so, no litigation.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 ..I just watched the video again. No violence there at all.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 No, there is seldom blood on the mat after Aikido class. We generally like to keep it that way.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 ..you apparently don't get sarcasm. Let me be more clear. The video shows one man throwing another man around like a doll. By any definiton there is violence. Why does there have to be blood for there have been violence??
mapache11 1 year ago
@Deke101 ..so by your definition of violence, as long as there's no blood in the fight there was no violence??? What dictionary do you use in aikido??
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 I did not SAY there HAD to be blood to be violence. If you will also notice Uke gets up rather quickly without injury anfter he is thrown. My definition of violence is action that causes injury. It is quite possible to subdue one without causing injury.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 ..your definition is wrong. Tell the person punched on the stomach that there was no violence involved.
There are no "two ways" about my argument. it is very clear. I have stated it several times. The original argument was that you don't see aikidoka (or aikijitsu) in a ring because the techniques will not work against an opponent who is trained in any other martial art.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 Lol. you are arguing semantics now. Conflicts can be resolved peacefully, without injury, without violence on my part.
The techniques work fine against any attacker. Learning a martial art does not imbue one with a superhuman phisiology that defies normal biomechanics. Limbs still break and ligaments still tear.
You obviously glean your knowledge from videos and books and uniformed opinion. I speak from experience, many years of it.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 ....what semantics am I arguing?
The techniques work fine if the attacker lets you use them like a good uke or an average person on the street. I have been studying Muay Thai and Jiujitsu for over ten years. Aikido techniques would only work on me if I was stupid enough to get grabbed by my arm and then not beat the guy with my free hand and feet.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 It's strange that you say that. From someone who is training martial arts for more than ten years I would expect less ignorance and more knowelegde. I have been training Aikido for several years and I assure you that it is effective against any other fighting style. As Aikido is more sword/staff fighting oriented it also has a large variety of hand to hand tehniques. However in the end it all comes to ones speed, strength and reflexes, regardless of the fighting style you use.
Sivy604 1 year ago
@Sivy604 ...you can assure me of nothing. Show me any video of aikidoka defeating Muay Thai, judo, or karate in a ring, not in some lame half assed sparring session. I know what aikido is and its origins. It is not effective against anyone with experience in any martial art:(except possibly TKD, depending on the style).
mapache11 1 year ago
@Sivy604 ..speed etc being relatively equal, aikido stands no chance. That's why aikidoas alwys fall back on the argument of "fighting in a ring goes against the philosophy" or "it's so dangerous, we can't employ some of the techniques".
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 I don't fall back on that argument. What I will say is that if you think what you're seeing here is the method of aikido that would be used in an actual situation then you've been misinformed. As with all martial arts it only serves to give you tools in which to beat your opponent. As in jujutsu etc you fight as you would but the extra tools give you an advantage. Posture, balance, centre and techniques are ALL beneficial in a real fight. You don't use it in it's pure form.
sum1otosh1 1 year ago
@sum1otosh1 ..then why don't you see aikidokas in MMA competition? The arguments given by aikidokas are always: it is against our philosophy and the joint locks we apply are illegal and too dangerous.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 Technically it is against most aikidoka philosophy but I see no reason for tomiki guys to take part. I will say this though, even as an aikidoka, most of us are either shit or wimps lol. I'm lucky that my sensei is very much into real application otherwise I would never have taken it up. My own experience is in competitive and real world martial arts and I always search for practicality. Sadly most aikidoka have never had an actual fight or have lost the martial aspect to theirart
sum1otosh1 1 year ago
@sum1otosh1 LOL. I agree with your comment. I have trained in Aikido since 1991. MANY practitioners are hippies, yuppies, wimpy pacifists who have either forgotten or ignore te roots of Aikido. They are swept up in the mystique instead of the application. My sensei, Mitsugi Saotome has spoken at length about this very thing. We must be ever vigilant to keep practice from becoming Bulshit Waza.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 You've nearly doubled my years on the mat lol
I studied Lau Gar and the apllication of Jeet Kune Do before I started aiki. I've always sought the martial in the art. It's why I learn it in the first place. I was lucky that I found one of the few aikido senseis that can say. "This is kata, this is freeplay, this is randori and THIS is practical" Never throw away what works, just add to it. That's my opinion.
sum1otosh1 1 year ago
@mapache11 I will say though that most BJJ techniques come from the same source as aikido techniques which is aiki-jutsu and you often see them employed in combat sports such as cage fighting and the UFC. The more dangerous ones aren't practised amongst the sporting guys simply because they are banned in sport or that without proper ukemi the techniques would break or dislocate limbs and ukemi isn't really the focal point of such competitions.
sum1otosh1 1 year ago
@sum1otosh1 ..since there are only so many ways to bend a joint, then I suppose all arts that employ such holds and techniques are going to be similar, and so must come from the same source. I appreciate the humbleness of your reply, it is very unlike the lajority of aikidoka who simply make excuses. I really would like to see aikidokas in some sort of grappling competition just for the spectacle/sport of it. No punching or kicking, just throws, holds and joint manipulation.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 I suggest finding yourself a good tomiki class and getting to know a few of the aikidoka. Some of us do 'mess around' with grappling competitions. Personally I'm after self defence/martial aspects rather than sport although I've been to a few MMA clubs when I've been invited and had a couple of friendly matches, some I won, some I didn't. But I put that down to my failings not the art.
sum1otosh1 1 year ago
@sum1otosh1 ..thanks for the advice but I spend enough time away from home with my BJJ and Muay Thai.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 I know that feeling lol. The missus complains like hell when I go to visit other clubs. "Don't you train enough as it is?" ROFL ....simple answer "NO"
sum1otosh1 1 year ago
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@mapache11 "I really would like to see aikidokas in some sort of grappling competition just for the spectacle/sport of it. No punching or kicking, just throws, holds and joint manipulation."
Sport is not a part of Aikido, thats the complete opposite of the true spirit of the art. It would breed ego when the focus should be humility. Anyone who says otherwise most likely doesnt know what they are talking about. If you have doubts of this, then research O'Sensei's teachings. It not hard to find.
SuperTalkingMonkey 1 year ago
@Sivy604 ..still waiting for some kind of evidence from your side.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 This has been fun, but I see this is getting nowhere. You are only concerned with "kicking ass." Enjoy it while it lasts, I suppose, because after 40 that BS goes out the window quick. Reality sets in and hopefully your concerns direct themselves to what is important in life.You want to call other arts a joke and look like a clod, that's cool. Even though MMA is useless for my own purposes, I would never call it a joke. You can have the final say. Peace.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 ..you claim to have used in on the street. That is not the argument.
You claim to have sparred against other martial arts, that is not the same either.
Violence is the expression of physical or verbal force against self or other, compelling action against one's will on pain of being hurt. Physical force exerted for the purpose of violating, damaging, or abusing.
Just two definitions of violence for you.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 You claimed it was ineffective. I claim different. You said it does not work against any other art. I claim different. You ran to a dictionary for a few official definitions. I said off the top of my head action that causes injury. My def sounds alot like the official ones you grabbed.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 ...I claimed it was ineffective against other forms of martial arts. You claimed that it was effective against college jocks, angry boyfriends and assorted shoplifters.
mapache11 1 year ago
@Deke101 ..aikido is effective on a) drunks b) people with no fighting experience c) overconfident knuckleheads who telegraph punches d) people who attack you with their arm extended and don't try to use their other appendages.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 In my time I have used Aikido on a) college jocks b) enraged boyfriends c) convenience store robbers d) car jackers. You know, REAL life situations. No rules, no ref, no ring.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 ...if you had said that you had used your dancing skills on experienced pratitioners of karate, judo, jiujitsu, taekwondo, kung fu, Muay Thai, boxing or any other form of self defense I would have cared. Krav maga would have been impressive.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 Lol. Dancing skills. Funny. I train with people of all sorts of martial arts backgrounds. I studied Wado Ryu Karate before Aikido. I have shared a dojo with a Judo club in the past and we cross trained regularly. Here in Dallas, I train sometimes with some friends at Dallas Wing Tsun headed by Master Leung Ting, a direct student of Yip Man. I never met any Krav maga people.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 ... If I offered a bunch of vegetarians $50,000 if they could win a hot dog eating contest against some non-vegetarians, (not professional eaters) someone would take me up on it. They may even win. They have the same anatomy as everyone else. If I offered a bunch of aikidokas the money to fight in a ring vs fighters of any other martial art (not professionals, but of equal experience), some may take the offer, but the would get a shit kicking. Your analogy is flawed.
mapache11 1 year ago
@mapache11 You might find a few who would take your offer. That does not mean my analogy was flawed. It was about philosophy, not anatomy. You have no idea how one person or the next would fair in a sparring match.
Arguing this point is senseless. Martial arts cannot be judged superior to one another anymore than dances can be judged superior to one another.
Deke101 1 year ago
@mapache11 Here is the bottom line. Most of us grownups who have dedicated ourselves to a persuit of self betterment are simply not concerned with the things you might be. Youth is fleeting. Older guys know better. Who can kick who's ass just no longer fits into the equation of our lives anymore. We simply don't care. No one is Superman. Anyone can be beaten. I can rest knowing that at any time, I will conduct myself with honor regardless of the outcome. Peace.
Deke101 1 year ago
at one point i thought he was gonna snap his neck. Chuck Norris would be disappointed O _o
Madjack3l 1 year ago
Fukin retard just takin that shit like a bitch.
Lanse141 1 year ago
WOW! Great break falls!
ashipwreck 1 year ago
wow
BattlefieldHigh 1 year ago
Aikido cums from dancing.
Zeddy100 1 year ago
You've gotta really respect guys like that
cordsman 1 year ago
exactly .. look how the 'victim' is making it all look more dramatic and actually using his muscles to make the other look more powerful. i wonder how this guy in his dress would end up facing a few drunk brits or russians lol
sebaz1982 1 year ago
why the fuck you d name it "FACES OF DEATH" .. dumbfuck ?
chatapayamauthz 1 year ago
kotegaeshi + two irmi nague's
pepsroller 1 year ago
looks like laundry
SuperUnbeliever 1 year ago
But those offended by comments on their 'art' are stupid, think about criticism and use it!
All styles are adapted to different distances, personal capabilities, opponent and situations. There is NO magically perfect style! But it's all business and stupidity, but think for yourself en experiment. And most of all: a combat sport (KO by rules, bitch if someone breaks them) is not a martial art (NO rules, except surviving at all cost: lies, hidden weapon, eye strikes, the goal is life, not glory!
airsurfer76 1 year ago
people, PLEASE think! aikido comes from swordfighting, so alotta techniques are meant against a sworded opponent. It takes some effort to visualise yourself against a swordsman if he's not present. If you practise, visualise your opponent it will be very effective, not at blocking attacks, but at dodging them. See, boxing is better for a boxing streetfight. But do you think it would be effective to block a sword with boxing techniques? Practise alot of styles, so no judgment intended.
airsurfer76 1 year ago 11
Boxing street fight..what is this 1950? Ha
zerokewl80 1 year ago
@airsurfer76 Um......I don't think ppl run around trying to kill ppl with swords anymore they have this thing called a gun now.
theultramegaman 1 year ago
@airsurfer76 is there a technique that is some sort of "master" technique to defend yourself in most situations, whether your attacker has a knife, sword or simply is a good fighter?
worldatmyfingertips7 1 year ago
@worldatmyfingertips7 Unfortunately, in the real world, there is no ONE technique that will defend you from any attack. Each attack is different. Each attack can be defeated by a number of defensive or offensive techniques from a number of different arts. I will say the human body only moves in certain ways and this is why martial arts techniques work.
I would say a gun is the most versatile and practical tool for self defense. The thing is, you don't always have one.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 yeah! the gun but that entails so many legal issues and also they have to investigate to really determine it was self defense. I would just wound my attacker I guess and never kill him if it's not necessary. What can you tell me about Kung Fu? What's the philosophy? Sorry I have to ask I'm curious about it?
worldatmyfingertips7 1 year ago
@worldatmyfingertips7 There are several different styles of Kung Fu each with their own philosophies. Shaolin, Wushu, Animal styles, Family styles, Chinese boxing, Chinese wrestling, Tai Chi, Wing Chung. Please be more specific.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 shaolin. Thanks!
worldatmyfingertips7 1 year ago
@worldatmyfingertips7 OK. There are literally hundreds of fighting styles claiming link to the Shaolin Monastery. It would be impossible to trace them for ceretain. The fighting styles came from monks trained to protect the monastery from pirates and thugs. Over time, the monks became more and more proficient at their 'external' fighting arts. Now, Shaolin is a word that encompasses MANY different types of Kung Fu. It may be necessary to visit an actual temple to receive actual Shaolin training.
Deke101 1 year ago
@worldatmyfingertips7 The main Shaolin Temple in the US is located in NY. I believe they have a website. Perhaps they can direct you to a satelite temple in your area. Beware fake schools claiming affiliation with Shaolin, they are quite abundant. As far as philosophy goes, Shaolin is a Buddhist order. It's Kung Fu is intertwined with Buddhist philosophy. If you do not wish to become a Buddhist, it may be difficult to learn Shaolin Kung Fu. I hope this helps. Peace.
Deke101 1 year ago
@Deke101 it sure does, thanks!
worldatmyfingertips7 1 year ago
I don't understand the "faces of death" part in the title???
I don't practice Aikido but all MA take time to master, and if you put the time/effort in it is worth it.
Aikido seems a more "intelligent" MA in the similar way Wing Chun can be (Although Aikido uses biomechanics and WC sensory/touch training). Both seem very well thought out to me and at the same time hard to get your head around.
I personally like Taekwondo, its a bit more sporty =)
magnificationman 1 year ago
@magnificationman True. I practice Aikido and a friend of mine WT. It's interesting when we come to the topic of martial arts.
In fact Aikido and Wing Tsun have very similar aspects. Aikido is also very sensorical, as WT is also very "biomechanical".
But of course they both have big differences.
Simply because of their background. (Aikido is supposed to be the "essence of budo", to "win without fighting" and WT was supposed to make you skilled in a short amount of time.
FinalKenny2 1 year ago
@FinalKenny2 hmmm, I like them both. I think I will be recahing out to a more closer ranged MA soon. The thing I really love about different MA is how they make you think differently about a lot of things. I think I get off on the concepts more than the abilities, but I guess the concepts are the fundementals
magnificationman 1 year ago
@magnificationman Sure, but you really have to be careful. Often when you mix martial arts you easily screw up the form and the nothing properly works.
I tried also doing WT but quickly figured out that it is a finished up system you can't really combine.
The forms came in conflict. Even though they are so similar.
But now I'm looking into Taijiquan. It is said to be the wushu-equivalent to Aikido and also Ueshiba was influenced by a TCQ-master.
FinalKenny2 1 year ago
@magnificationman And yeah, the more mental aspects are very interesting. My friend always tells me about Chinese philosophies while I tell him about the Japanese ones. Those are fun evenings. ;D
FinalKenny2 1 year ago
hey um douchebags how about u watch the videos and not argue hmmm? thanx
crazyguy3730 2 years ago 5
stop being a schmuck
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
a cocksucker like you only knows how to yap. You don't know how to listen and learn. I give you a very simple example. Suppose you had to teach your child how to break out of a wrist grab from a bully. What's the first thing he should do? What's the weak point on the human hand? How should he move?
You don't know shit. So it's best you shut up.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
not only can I hold it, I can break ever goddamn finger on it and you still won't know how to break out of it. I give you a year to figure it out.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
@MikeUntstinks Your annoying and have too big of an ego. Please be quiet.
hyru913 1 year ago
we got a bunch of fucking jackasses here making comments without using their brain. Combat consists of many ranges, from long to short to close range grappling and weaponry. Every style out there specializes in one or more of these ranges. Aikido happens to specialize in close range attacks (esp charging attacks, grabs, pulls, etc) and utilizes principles of evasive footwork and circular motion.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
i bet you wouldn't even know how to break out of a wrist grab
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
You know, you guys are really disrespectful, and I think that someone should teach you a lesson. But wait, you're in the computer, so that means you're safe, but how about one of you smug little aikido skeptics go out IN PUBLIC, and restate your comments. See how far you can push people til' they beat you senseless.
TheKaamos123 2 years ago 3
I agree 100 per cent with you!Most of these people in any case are complete loosers in life,the only thing that they are good at is being disrespectful to people who are achieving goals in their life.
BogusBoy2121 2 years ago
Actually, I can go out and state my point of view on Aikido and not one of them will do a thing.
They will not enter any kind of fighting competition or take any challenge. I would have to attack them first. That's their belief.
Here's mine. I studied it for a year and realized pretty quickly that I had a lot of doubts. So did the First kyu I trained with. Since I saw BJJ doing well, I felt better about training in that. I learned more in a month than a year at Aikido.
One man's opinion
imitchellgill 1 year ago
I'm not allowed to post anymore. Seems the poster feels threatened by my logic and is alarmed that I have seen the whole scam.
imitchellgill 1 year ago
@imitchellgill Well obviously Aikido is a very long "do".
As long as you practice what you feel comfortable with you are doing perfectly fine. ;D
FinalKenny2 1 year ago
Aikido is just an art...it was made in peaceful years...aikido has little chance to go out as a winner in a real fight (sorry for bad english)
misteriusA 2 years ago
so you never had someone in a real fight come up and grab you, or someone charge at you in a real fight? ever? is that what you are saying
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
yes...in aikido i learned how to use the KI in the fight but i dont use the aikido tehnic, i can use the KI combined whit Krav Maga and it is more effective, but every one has he own opinion i just told my opinion, we are not the same...you dont have to agree
misteriusA 2 years ago
The ki? What exactly does that entail? Extending energy? What exactly do you do?
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
using KI ( the energy) to do more effective move's and resist damege if im hited by the opponent
misteriusA 2 years ago
that goes without saying, but aikido technique is useful
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
Akido sucks ,,, this is all demo and setup fights. you will see always there is a response to an offense. and the attacker is just a stupid ass!
malamgeerqasim 2 years ago
so does your spelling...that sucks too
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
useless
ultradasilva 2 years ago
well..... if your in a street fight the guy would have just pulled out his gun. and leave a few holes in you :D
sindude300 2 years ago 4
hahahah xD
Drugsoul 2 years ago
yep, the bane of martial arts - guns
NakaD80 2 years ago
@sindude300 That isn't really of meaning here, since there is no martial art in the world that could save you from a bullet.
However many Martial Arts have techniques to disarm a person of basically any weapon, including Aikido.
FinalKenny2 1 year ago
@sindude300 4real ahaa nobody gonna take a ass beatin nd get flipped like that
sk8terboy241 1 year ago
@sindude300 thats because your all pussy and scared to fight
kungfuweasel78 1 year ago
@sindude300 why the heck do you think that's funny? wow
Rodolfsk8 1 year ago
@sindude300 You learn many techniques to disarm a gun-equipped enemy in aikido.
Mistwhisper 1 year ago
all i want to see is ONE video of a real aikido fight on youtube..not a choreographed one....come on post a link if such a thing exists
mikew909 2 years ago
no chance that you can find it. Just doesn't exist
They tried to have one shot, but it never ends up good. They always got owned...black eyes, broken legs, and etc....just too embarrassing to post,,,so you got the idea
They just decided to never do it again
panterafist 2 years ago
Yes it is a demo, yes it is prearranged. yes it does work in the street. Why do think that none of the contact fighters put it down? or even mention their art as being superior? It's not the art, it's the fighter. real fights do it on concrete. and they are not wearing speedos or trunks. you ever been dropped on cement? if you get thrown hard, you won't get up. you everbeen punched without gloves by a real fighter? it hurts. Before you put down any ones ability go to an Aikido dojo and fight.
blackdragonbxr 2 years ago
in a street fight the guy would just pull out his gun
vayuturbo66 2 years ago
I love Aikido.
This is good ;)
tissnikk 2 years ago
No Aikido is faked and doesn't work.
spideyninja 2 years ago
Why does one of the guys arm look limp like it's dislocated
zannteo 2 years ago
PASSIVE Defense is an oxymoron.
AmericanSoapBox 2 years ago 2
is this like deliberate demonstration or is one of those guys really getting his ass kicked?
afffred 2 years ago
FAKE
HollywoodKendrick 2 years ago
Indeed
spideyninja 2 years ago
LOL
FACE OF DANCE is more like it.
This crap likes nice in a warm room with mats and friendly attackers.
It would NEVER go down like this in a real STREET FIGHT.
AmericanSoapBox 2 years ago 2
I would beg you to try it. Or view any of the particularly awesome videos on youtube showing someone trying to get in a fight with an aikido practitioner. Also, the point of martial arts is not to help you in street fights. It's in case someone mugs you or assaults you. You don;t learn aikido because you want to hurt someone, you learn it to defend yourself. Passively.
kryshen2 2 years ago
@AmericanSoapBox your wrong mate
leicestergux 1 year ago
If you want a REAL self defense that actually WORKS and not on stupid demonstration go and learn MCMAP/Krav Maga/Karate/Dennis Survival but not retarded Aikido.
spideyninja 2 years ago
haha dennis survival.
speccwolf 2 years ago
Your remark has some pertinency if you believe that this video is actualy Aikido! The problem is that this is only perverted parody of Aikido turned in a prearanged business making show. I'm not saying that they haven't work hard for runing around this way or that they haven't any skill.I'm just saying that THIS IS NOT AIKIDO! It is just a PRE-ARANGED SKILFULL SHOW alike Catch! But it would be fun though to see how you'd manage in front of Tissier with your suprem selfdefense arts!!
aikidlc 2 years ago
Yes this is a show, and prearrangement. If this was real Aikido it wouldn't even work. True story.
spideyninja 2 years ago
fag
snekkevik 2 years ago
You basically have sex with your grandmother and thats why this is your reaction.
spideyninja 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
You basically have sex with your grandmother and thats why this is your reaction.
spideyninja 2 years ago
So this is what Aikido looks like, niccee...
Sya93im 2 years ago
the guy's hand was totally messed up but he tried to keep it going till the end of the show!!! wtf
detrack 2 years ago
pussies
troll9555 2 years ago
wow
fucking rag doll jajaja
RLPrudy 2 years ago