These young men where just learning to spread the word of Islam. I hope the families of these young men can get a refund on the return portion of their air fair.
Notice how the community is very disturbed that they got caught
no other group in the US is as dedicated to destroying American culture & democracy as muslims
Islamic officials "r disturbed" because they were caught. There was no sign of anything suspicious because"death to America" is part of main stream Islam
That's all true...Except the part where you said:"..it happens monthly there, where a child works into a school and kills 10s, 100s." and "i doubt pakistan will lose that debate."
Besides that and "no one here is condoning crime", I believe every word you said is true. You as an indoctrinated Islamist by your very nature condone violent acts against Kufrs, though you dont see killing Kufrs as a "crime" against Islam since "There is no such thing as "innocent civillians among the Kufrs".
No you twit... There's 300,000,000 over here and there certainly wasn't anything like group support for what happened. No organized or recognized group or spokesman of any repute came out in support. But nice try. I Live here, as do about 150,000 Pakistanis.
Like I said the Heavyweight Champs of Mass Murder in the USA Are Muslims. Lest we forget: The Largest Single Terrorist Attack on Civilians in History was perpetrated by Your Co-Religionists on My Country on 9/11. That you can spout tuquoque arguments and apologistic rhetoric in face of an on-going Slaughter happening in Pakistan, while Muslim Associations in the USA are Amending Their Rhetoric to the point of tacit Agreement with my position is ridiculous(which is Why I Ridicule and Rebuke you).
america dropped two nuclear bombs on civilain areas yet you will never consider that mass murder on a wider scale because 1 japanese innocent to you isn't the same as 1 american innocent.
You know you Muslims bring up Japan as if it were germane or in ANY WAY excuses what you are doing to yourselves and Us right now. We killed more civilians in Dresden or Tokyo than we did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If you want to bring up cities we razed, those would be better choices. The Japanese deserved it for what they did to the countries they occupied. For what they did in Singapore and Nanking. It's called War and in both WWI and WWII The Muslims sided with the Germans.
I guess America deserved to be nuked for killing the Native Americans, the innocent people of Panama, supporting Suharto, selling mustard gas to Saddam, The Tuskeegee experiment, overthrowing Irans president and installing the Shah, ect.
I've posted probably 50 comments on this forum, that being the shortest. Your comment is basically 2 logical fallacies balled up into one attack. I didnt think your idiocy deserved an intellectual response. Anyone who starts their reply with "nuke 'em" doesnt deserve a well considered response. I stand by my statement. Events relating to this clip, and the discussion on this forum have already proved my points. Over 300 dead in Pakistan Jihad since these comments posted. Have a nice day.
I was being being SARCASTIC, in order for you to see how foolish your first comment was. By the way everyone in Pakistan knows that Blackwater and the CIA are behind these suicide bombings. 60% of Pakistanis beliAEve America is the biggest threat to their countries saftey NOT the Taliban.
ZAMZAM admitted today in court 1/5/10 that they went to fight Jihad.. The CIA have much Islamic "pull"? This is Islam and top suggest differently is to plead ignorance. What Pakistanis are doing when theu blame Americans for suicide bombings is ensure more of it from the Taliban and the rest of the "Caravan of Martyrs".
They went to go fight against the Americans that are illegally occupying & invading Afghanistan and Pakistan. Not to kill their own fellow Muslims. Killing their own people makes LOGICAL sence. Paksistanis hate America right now because of all the chaos we are starting. There were never any suicude bombings until the Americans came to this region. The Taliban has been there for decades and have never done this. The Americans show up & all of a sudden ther are bombings everywhere.
What?! What are you talking about? We arent "illegally occupying" Afghanistan, and we arent even In Pakistan. You're obviously an Islamist. Why else would you be spouting the Jihadist's rhetoric? Last comment, you were blaming the CIA for suicide bombers. So why not stick to one fallacious argument since you're only arguing for argument's sake. You're bordering on ridiculous now.
Actually we are, maybe you should take a look at the international law. It is against the law to invade a nation based upon a criminal organization opperating within the boarders if that organization has not government al connections. So if the KKK commit a terror attack in Nigeria, the Nigerian government would have no right toinvade America and bombing our major cities. Maybe you should research "Xe" there is a reason they changed their name to "Blackwater". Even the American media admits it!
Maybe you should have listened better back in 2001 when Pres. Bush ststed that we were going to ruin whomever was responsible for the attacks on 9/11 and that included their accomplices. The latest pols have the Taliban with 6% support in Afghanistan which means that matematically, even their own families want them dead. Afghanis Want us there. We Build Roads, Hospitals, Schools. The choice between the Death-Mongering Throatslitters you Idolize or a chance at building a Nation was Made there.
Bush is a liar and the whole world knows it. America is always at war with someone for some reason trying to make money. Maybe you should talk to a real Afghan and you will see how much of our media distorts the truth. The Afghans know that their corrupt president whom is actually an AMERICAN that worked for UNICAL (an oil company), is nothing more than a puppet. I'm pretty sure that pipe line that we are going to build has somthing to do with why we are in Afghanistan.
Afghanistan under the Taliban was the worst place on earth and a failed state that was a base for the Global Islamic Jihad. Now it isnt. Everywhere Islamism and Sharia take root Death Flourishes. Take Somalia for example. The UN just suspended all Humanitarian Aid because Al Shabab(The Somali Taliban) made it impossible to help the starving Somalis. That of course in your Twisted hateful eyes is Our fault and that's why the sooner we start treating Islam like a Cancer on the planet the better.
Actually the people in Afghanistan wanted the Taliban in power because they provide some stability to the region. Unlike American that screwed them over in the 80s & 90s. Im sure the American supported sanctions that killed 1000s didnt help either. Lets not even talk about Somalia. When the Islamist came to power they provided stability but America funded Ethiopia to invade & overthrow the government. Also western nations dump toxic waste off the coast of Somalia. Is that the aid you speak of?
What part of 6% support among Afghanis for the Taliban translates in your mind into "Actually the people in Afghanistan wanted the Taliban in power..."
Do you have any idea how far you have to suspend reality to make that statement? The Afghans Despise the Taliban. DESPISE! Yesterday the UN announced it's Pulling Out of Somalia because Al Shabab has made it imposssible for them to continue to bring food to Somalis. So The Taliban in Somalia differs from the despised Taliban in Afghan How?
If the Afghans want us there then how come every time a civilization has tried to invade Afghanistan the Afghans have always fought back and resisted? Why did David Hoh quit his post because he said that the people who are fighting us simply are citizens that want us to LEAVE?
The Afghan people arent fighting us, the Taliban is. The Afghans Despise the Taliban and at this point WANT US THERE to provide security. They dont want to die so some fucked up Islamist can get his fucking Virgins! We have No Imperial Aspiration in Afghanistan. Again while you are adept at spewing forth the Jihadist/Islamist Rhetoric, it's all fallacious because the Afghans despise the Taliban(6% support among Afghanis) and want our protection from them.
You are obviously a CNN coolaid drinker...you actually belive the media that is controlled by the American government and multi billion dollar corporations and banks that all have an agenda. You believe that the government controlled media is going to tell you the truth about the people we are fighting. One thing I learned first hand is that the media is nothing like what reality is. The media is a business not an education tool.
So your reply to the statement of poll driven facts is Adhominem? Your answer to me relating a fact that can be souced through AlJazeera, or PBS World Focus Online, which is where I saw it BTW, is to call me a "CNN coolaid drinker"... Remember my 1st reply to you? You've wasted my precious time with your Islamist Apologist rhetoric.Now we're at the end of our discussion. Nothing more can be served by me continuing to indulge your fantasies. Readers will judge between us. I stated Facts here.
As for that whole "they didnt go there to kill Muslims" canard, who do you think is doing the dying in this Jihad? Allied Soldiers certainly arent. About 100 times more Muslims die in Islamic Holy bombings than do our soldiers. 300 in the last 2 weeks-This Jihad of yours is nothing but the slaughter of Muslims By Muslims as sanctioned in the Quran. I believe its called "Takfirism", you know, like when a Sunni blows up a Shia Ashura festival and so on? I here Volleyball is popular with Jihadists.
So you mean to tell me that the Koran tells Muslims to kill other Muslims? I don't haft to tell you how silly you sound, if you believe the media propaganda then you are truly living in the MATRIX. I personally know tons of Pakis & they all know that this is the doing of the CIA and Blackwater. Most Pakistanis do NOT hate the Taliban & the CIA is trying to make the Pakis support America by blaming these bombing the Taliban but it is not working. Pakistan never had these problems until Bush&Obama
Yep it sure does-You should have read it before you asked the question. I said it's called "Takfirism"-The Munafiq(Muslim Hypocrites) are lower even than the Kuffar(Infidels) in the Quran. If you wish I'l post verses from the Quran and Hadith instructing "the faithful" on what to do with Muslims who arent Islamic enough. Why dont they complain when a Muslim kills a few hundred other Muslims?Why no riots then Munafiq? Why no riots in Pakistan after Islamists blow up a Volleyball game killing 110?
Considering the fact that about 100 Muslims are killed by the Islamists for every Westerner they kill(according the the news agencies like Al Jazeera, AlArabia etc..) You statement is based in Fantasy. They went to join the Jihad. Currently that means killinh 100 Muslims for each "kuffar" you kill. You Muslims are really funny people...You think it's noble work and people like bin Laden are heros, but they kill more Muslims than cancer. Call me when you Wake The Fuck Up.
Learn the difference between "felony murder" and Jihad...ok Cupcake? For the week of 12/25/09 there were 63 Religious Homicides Fisabiallah in Pakistan Alone-Just this evening 12/25 there was yet another attempted MassMurder by a Muslim on an American Airliner. A Muslim tried to light a powder aboard a jetliner before it landed in Detroit. Just another attempt at Mass-Murder in the name of your God. Christian "crusaders" arent chopping people's heads off over here, or blowing up Synagogues.
if you dont like that statement...than you better think twice about voting for politicians that only look at foreign policy with one one, and the other one closed.
Example"
We give billions of tax dollars to Israel, and defend them and support them. Ok that is fine. But at the same time, we must demand that they do not build and remove the settlelments from Palestinian land.
We are sick and tired of our American blood spilled for lunatics there.
Why is it that almost all past terror attacks around the globe has some connetion with Pakistan - either people from pakistan or people going to get trained in Pakistan for jihad.
Pakistan is breeding ground of jihadi terror - it is a world known fact - you are not going to alter that one iota by your abusive rant here. Millions of pelope who had no knowledge of pakistan now know it because of radical madarsas and islamic terror. Your two cents don't count buddy.
we are involved in two wars which have been brought upon us by two occupying countries.
pakistan will support the pushtu and kashmiri conflicts.
but these conflicts aren't going to be conflated into a wider conflict, it will be contained involving only those involved, ie afghans 4 afghanistan and kashmiris 4 kashmir.
all I am saying is that you can not completely disown the fact that there are radical islamists in Pakistan and elsewhere who harbour some crazy ideology of spreading Sharia Law all over the world and are ready to blow up everyone who do not agree with them , even people of their own nation. I agree America had lot to do with creating vacuum after the afghan-soviet war and leaving afghanistan and border regions in confilict and tribal wars.
you people are really smart- first bitching that the usa is 'invading ' a crappy illiterate 3rd world nothing and then blaming us for not invading it sooner
man I have nothing against US...but US also has realized that they did not tie some lose ends after the soviet war in afghanistan....I despise islamic terror as much as you do and I'm glad US is spanking terror butt hard and fast.
cold war was won by arming mujahdeens and insurgents from pak-afghan regions. I agree however that afghani tribes & warlords have always been at war with eachother so US had nothing to do with their culture.
you got your wires crossed there mate, REPOTAG jump in there, (anti muslim guy), you responded to him, maybe thinking he was me,(the pakistani muslim guy). he then responded to you with insults. then you responded to him with insults like he was me. i.e with the pedophile stuff.
1st off the talaban are regional resistance force, nothing more. 2nd many joining that fight restrict the fight to the region like these kidz. 3rd the 1s termed as jihadists don't have a view of world domination, they also are restricted to the the muslim regimes and are restricted to justifying their actions by the sunnah, hence alot didn't agree with the 9-11 tactic.
you see the problem is everybody is trying to conflated issues together and force that conflated convoluted view on the rest of us.
so the jihadist will link the pak gov with their arab gov to america to the one working in 9-11, so on, to their view point, combining political change to resistence.
then you have the americans doing the same, taliban to the jihadist to the pakistani to their government.
Imad, Your comment makes absolutely no sense at all. You have nerve trying to portray this as a "governments" thing, and "Islamic Resistence" with political change. This is Jihad and mass murder for the sake of "Allah". A Muslim living in the ME is 16 times more likely to be blown to bits than a Kaffir there? They're killing you-but you blame us-Maybe you all should organize one of those protests-but instead of the Pope or Cartoons, you should protest the Ghouls who are really slaughtering you.
only two facts mattter - that all five are fucking Muslims and they went to the land of jihad Pakistan to get trained on terror. They will now rot at Gitmo.
They're not Dude...They woukdnt have left the video, they would have just left.
"If" would be a sign that we are finally taking the Jihad seriously enough to try to plant spies. Dont count on that kind of initiative from This administration, DHS is too busy looking for "Potential Right-Wing Terror Threats".
Khalid Shiekh Mohammad who Planned 9/11 was FROM Pakistan and where was he arrested again? Oh yeah...PAKISTAN.
There are recordings of the Lashkar e Tayyiba(a terror group that originated in Pakistan) getting orders on cellphone during the Mumbai attack from their ISI handlers in YOU GUESSED IT...Pakistan. I dont cite "Random Crime" 150,000 Child Slaves isnt "random" at all. At our worst Americans cant imagine committing the barbarities that Pakistanis accept as everday occurances.
lashkar tayyiba is independent of the pakistani GOVERNMENT, and where KSM was picked up and had been is irrelevent.
as for your generalization of the pakistani's morality based on crime rate, have a look at your own. if crime is your basis then america is the heart of evil.
Well the phone communication were traced back to the ISI...are they part of Pakistan's Govt?
As of 2006, 11 million children were working as intentued servants and bond slaves across all industries in Pakistan, Shall I name them?
Carpet Weaving
Brick Making
Steel Mills
Stone crushing
Glass and Pottery making...children make up a quarter of the unskilled work force, and can be found in virtually every factory, every workshop, every field. How many Child Slaves do American factories employ?
As for KSM(Islam's poster child) The guy is From Pakistan, he planned 9/11 while living In Pakistan, and wopuldnt you know...thats where they eventually found him. I call that plenty "relevent" in the context of this discussion. Those 5 Muslims didnt go to Pakistan for a game of TiddleyWinks, they went to join the Jihad in progress there. Jihad Bodycount for the week ending 12/16 was 111 murdered 242 wounded that we know of. That doesnt included the "NO-GO" regions where reports arent even made.
So Imad-if you want to go on arrogantly pretending that Islamic jihad isnt ripping Pakistan apart-by all means please continue-but to sit there writing that The USA is the evil one and Pakistan is really this great moral place ignoring the fact that about 2/3s of your countrymen cant even read-1/4 of you workforce are Child Slaves-and there are large parts of Pakistan where the Army cant even go w/out a Division of men... well, thats just foolish and futitle. Noone here believes it-Not even You.
Bad news if they are innocent. Pakistan is under huge pressure by the US to prove its actively involved in combating fundamentalism, and these guys would make perfect scapegoat.
u call dem americans ...deeze modafuckaz r not americans..fuckin bastards..dei should never come back to america n stay in deir camel jockey country,..
Religious, fundamentalists zealots are so very repugnant. They kill liberty and hope wherever their absurd, ignorant and hate filled agenda sees the light of day. I wish we could kick them out on their Republican asses.
Nihad Awad(CAIR) is a Ghoul He's said he would like to see the US Constitution replaced by Shariah Law. CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in Terrorism. As for the Kitman speading Imam who spoke: The "Outwardly radicalized behavior" would be their traveling to Pakistan to commit Jihad against their own country(Though No Devout Muslim can truly ever be a US citizen because America is Dar al Harb). The proof that they were "radicalized" is in their current situation and taped confession.
REPOTAG may have confused Pakistan with Afghanistan-but Pakistan is not an innocent bystander in this-Muslims from the West routinely travel to Pakistan for training in terror tactics-The bombers of the London Underground trained in Pakistan-There is a culture of hate there fueled by Islamism that manifests in death in Mumbai, London..all over the world. Yesterday I read a Pakistani article in which they blame their civilian deaths on the USA and Israel, not AlQaeda, The Taliban, Lashkar e Toiba
That's really a ridiculous syatement considering the thousands of Madrassas and the deadly fruit they bear. As I stated earlier These Muslims went to Pakistan to join up to get trained and fight Jihad. They didnt go to India. They didnt go to Indonesia. They didnt go to Saudi Arabia...They went to Pakistan. Were those "innocent Pakistanis" that rampaged through Mumbai last Nov.? This has been brewing in Pakistan since the late 70s. Now you blame America for Islamic. Get over yourself.
I would bronze that comment if I could. It's monumentally ignorant and humorous all at once. At the same time you are telling someone to "grow up", you call them a "rat worshipping Hindu"-I'm an Italian guy from NJ-My interest in this is that I lost 2 friends at the World Trade Center on 9/11. That's why I have taken it upon myself to learn Everything about Islam-Islamism-Islamists, and Terrorism. Pakistan Looms Large in the world of International Terrorism.
I just went through this post, without exception my responses to you have been respectful and accurate. Ive checked my sources and there is no disputing my statements, which have all been On Topic. You on the other hand have level personal insults at me, and empty, baseless rhetoric at this forum. What does wishing my family dead or calling me a "rat worshipping Hindu" have to do with Pakistan as a destination for would-be Islamic terrorists? I've outlined the many ways Pakistan is Not innocent.
the fact is your comments are far to long and boring and you use far too many words............ to respond to you in kind would make the dialogue far to convoluted for my liking.
I'm sorry, I thought you were literate. Is it that I'm not succint enough? Is that why you called me a "Rat worshipping Hindu"? Is that why you called me a "Redneck from out in the sticks"? Clearly you dont know much about America. NJ isnt "the sticks", I live the NY Metropolitan Area...Basically the center of the world.
Are there or are there Not Hundreds of Jihadi Training camps in Pakistan? Are there or are there not hundreds of Madrassas from which they recruit jihadis in Pakistan? These 5 Muslims went to Pakistan Specifically to join in the Jihad. They didnt go to India, they went to Pakistan...Why?
the honest truth beyond debates is that these guys went to pakistan because the american media put a focus on pakistan.
no one wanted them there and no one asked them to come.
the more focus your media puts on it, the more they make it an issue, the more these younglings will be filled with anger and the greater there action.
They went to Pakistan because That's where a Muslim goes if he wants to be taught how to be a mass-murderer. A Jihadi would stop in Darra on their way to Afghanistan for guns, and RPGs and away they go. The BBC calls it "The most dangerous place in the world". The Pashtun region is as inhospitable a place as ever existed. The people there would Kill me in a day. Watch the video "The Gun Markets of Pakistan"...there's your proof. Pakistan is a Shithole.
Imad, everything I have said about Pakistan is a verifiable fact. I alluded to something in a comment that I later found to be erronoius and I coreected Myself. Does that sound like arrogance? WhaT I call arrogance is for Muslims to come on these fora and blame America and our government for problems stemming soley from Islamist Ideology. Afghan. under the Taliban was a FAILED State, and base for international TERRORISM. The ISI Created the Taliban, so Yes...Pakistan is culpable in this mess.
I didnt swap anything Imad-the CIA funded and trained the Mujhadin in the Soviet war in Afghan. That was the extent of our involvement. The Taliban was created by the ISI to use against India in Kashmere. This isnt me talking out of my head...It's a matter of record. To recite history to a Muslim makes you a "nut-job"? The only "conspiracy" here is that fellow Muslims have conspired to fill your head with mush. There are still parts of the Pak Army who support The Taliban!
now you really show your ignorance, tabib means student talibaan means two students, student is a term of respect in islamic theology, and the term represents an olive branch to the shia of afghanistan, the sunnah being the one student, the shia being the other.
the term was a vehicle to bring the dividing ethnicities together, so don't you think that is a indication to the aims and remit of the taliban?
I think somewhere above in this forum I actually posted the definition of Talib(not "tabib") It doesnt absolve then from the Mass-Muders the have commit in there "study" of Islam. They are salafist and Wahabs...That's not a Shia sect. It seems apparent that you wish to talk about anythingBut- MUSLIMS ARRESTED IN PAKISTAN WHO WENT THERE TO JOIN THE JIHAD.
The Taliban are Wahabis and from the Hunbali School of Sharia Law(Sharia being a modern Muslim Monument to 7th century Arab Tribal "Justice")
You are so twisted with the Burning Rage that Islam Imbues you with that you pretend that history didnt happen, and you do so in the full view of thousands who Know It Did. The Videos of Taliban Mass Murder are ALL OVER THE WEB! They used to STONE people to death at Halftime in soccer matches. I've seen it. They killed hundreds of Thousands of Afghans.
"Wikipedia"-yet another monument to the stupidity and lazyness of your generation-Blow yourself up already Bomb-to-Be and leave the forum-All youve proven here is that you are so imbued with Islamic Hatred that you cant even see straight-This isnt the only video dealing with these little creep's trip-100 others bear me out. All your aruments are flawed at inception-Every major Islamic organization in America is admitting the problem which makes you a gigantic fool to argue against me...and Them.
i can't use wiki, yet you run to youtube search and make the mother of all blunders by stating pakistan did the actrocities india has been accused of.
The Mumbai Terrorists were identified by Mumbai police, along with their home towns in Pakistan: Ajmal Amir from Faridkot, Abu Ismail Dera Ismail Khan from Dera Ismail Khan, Hafiz Arshad and Babr Imran from Multan, Javed from Okara, Shoaib from Narowal, Nazih and Nasr from Faisalabad, Abdul Rahman from Arifwalla, and Fahad Ullah from Dipalpur Taluka. All Members of LeT, All Pakistani! The Mumbai attacks were planned and directed by LeT inside Pakistan and directed from inside Pakistan-NOT India!
If you're looking for mass graves with fresh bodies in them, all you have to do is go to the Muslim world. Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq(Under Saddam), Pakistan, Yemen, Sudan, Algeria, Somalia, Niger, Chad...The common thread that binds these places is what makes them so horrible...Islamism and Sharia The imposition of political Islam and sharia law is a virtual Guarantee of mass executions. Hanging 16 girls for being raped(Nazanin) Double Amputees because they stole bread in hunger. Barbaric.
Another Slam Dunk: Search "MASS GRAVES IN PAKISTAN" I got 697K hits and reports on mass graves in Swat and Kashmir on page 1. Your Buddies are slaughtering each other over there by the 1,000s in some case where 100+ or 200+ die in one incident or mosque attack they bury the dead in communal graves. 176 Dead and over 1,000 Wounded Since the1st of this month, want to bet they break 200 for December? More people are dying in the Jihad in Pakistan than in Iraq. You Muslims LOVE Killing each other.
Again I suggest you search Google or Bing. The Swat valley has the freshest mass graves, and in addition 3/4 of a million Refugees in Pakistan right now. Apparently you were'nt able to figure out how to copy-paste "Mass Graves in Pakistan" into Google or Bing, or "Jihadis are us"... Again you keep talking about India, but LeT is Slaughtering Indians like it's Free. The Problem is all the Jihadist in Pakistan. It seems You and They are the only people in the world that dont see it that way.
To your statement that I've "never been": The U.S. Dept. of State has an advisory against travel to Pakistan and as a Non-Muslim, I wouldnt consider it. Theres Way more to see in India and if I Were to travel to the region That's where Id go. They Like Americans there. Thailand too. From all I've read and seen the only reason to go to Pakistan is to visit relatives or join the Jihad.
All the Pakistanis I've met here Love It in America. We are a Melting Pot and Very accepting of other cultures.
My comment spoke for itself. What part of "US State dept Travel Advisoy" dont You get? A culture that embraces Child Slavery, Honor Killing, Violent Jihad in the name of Islam and female circumcision, while having no historical landmarks(save Khyber Pass) to speak of really isnt on my "gotta go there" list. There's a new invention of the Kufrs called the "Internet" and I can learn all I need to about a place simply by visiting 1000 websites. "The most dangerous place on earth"-The BBC
what the hell sort of narcotics are you ingesting? child slavery? female circumcision? are you deluded? you watch one dumb ignorant documentary, maybe, god knows where you got this garbage from.
there is no child slavery and no female circumcisionin pakistan, that is made up a lie.
now you might argue there's the ignorant whomight believe the have the right to surpass due process, but educated muslims don't.
What part of ONE QUARTER OF THE WORKFORCE AS OF 2007 didnt you understand? Child Slavery! This is fairly simple
Step one: Type into your web browser -Child Slavery and press enter. Now I got 1,390,000 results in half a second, how many did You get? BTW, The nuber of web pages I got only equals 1/10 of the actual number of Children in question who work for less than $4o a year. You can Bullshit all you want. You have insults and empty rhetoric, I have the facts.
"Paperboys"... Well as far lies go that one on its face wasnt so bad-once we delve into reality tho we see that 90% of All Carpet Weavers in Pakistan are Child Slaves. Ive already listed the numbers and I quoted refences: Humanrightswatch, Atlantic Monthy, UNICEF, And I challenged you to do the near impossible: Copy-Paste CHILD SLAVERY IN PAKISTAN into your web browser. But that's to complicated for a barely literate throatslitter, isnt it. 1/4 of Pakistan's unskilled workforce are Child Slaves.
if a child works for the parents on the farm, that is fine and even good for the child in his education and development. but if the child's been kidnapped and used, ofcourse that is wrong, but don't dare tell me criminal behaviour doesn't exist in america. you have the same problems and even worse, because yours exist right down to a domestic dynamic,where childrenare abused by parents, churches, and carehomes.
Sorry to bust up your little "family farm" FANTASY, but above I posted the Numbers-References-Seach Parameters and they show 1/4 of Pakistan's unskilled workforce are Child Slaves eg.90% of all carpet-weavers/Brick-Makers-That Children are sold into Slavery by their PARENTS who get <$40 a year for their children's suffering-That didnt change over the weekend. While crime and child abuse exists Globally(including the USA)there's SYSTEMIC Indentured Servitude and Bonded Child Slavery in Pakistan.
What part of this do you need help with? So now it's not "paper-boys" and "family farms", it's a matter of "Well...that depends on your moral interpretation of what slavery is". That's comical. Why dont you refer the the Universal Human Bill of Rights, UNICEF HumanRightsWatch or any International Child Protection Organization on what They consider the 11+Million Children working in Pakistani factories. What do You call working 18 hour days for 11cents a day?
If Pakistan had an effective answer...if they were able to control the Jihadist within their borders, we wouldnt have to use drone attacks on the Jihadis. Pakistan's answer was to allow the Taliban to take over the Swat Valley. This of course led to the current internal conflict and Millions of refugees.Pakistan is 1 bullet away from becoming an Islamist state with Nukes. Believe this: America isnt bombing the Taliban in India, because they arent there...They're in Waziristan...In Pakistan
What has Pakistan Ever done to lead anyone with a brain to believe they have Anything under control? There are 2 Million Internal Refugees from the Swat Valley there right now! If not for the International Red Cross, They would have Starved! Pakistan is the Jannisary of South Asia, and as I said a mecca for terrorists, and terrorist wannabes. Honor killing-Christians Abducted/Forced Conversions-Arrainged Marriages...Children graduate from Madrassas to terrorist training camps-it's Hell on Earth.
Above I posted a reasoned, well researched, accurate portrayal of Pakistan's culpability, and the role it's playing in international terrorism, as well as the internal conflicts and crisis' that make it one of the most dangerous places on earth right now. You in return level personal insults at me, because you have no logical responses to my arguement. Pakistan is 1 bullet away from being a full-blown terrorist state with nuclear weapons-while most Pakistanis sit on their hands and Blame US.
Now, shall I post the latest story from CNN about Child Slavery in Pakistan? Apparently in 1 industry alone they employ(more like slaves than employees) over 150,000 children Making Bricks! Is there no shame in you people?
Every country in the world has Drs...etc-As for the Literacy rate in Pakistan(the "jewel of south Asia") it's 49% which means less than 1/2 of the people over the age of 15 in Pakistan can read or write their own names-India by contrast(you know...the "rat worshipping Hindus") has a literacy rate of 66% and this in a country of 1 billion people-which mean that there are 3 times as many people who can read and write in India than the total population of Pakistan. Maybe You should worship rats.
I hear they work cheap. Also, I believe a Pakistani Dr. was involved in the failed attempt to bomb Glosgow Airport along with a few Iraqi Drs. I thought all Drs. took the Hypocratic Oath...I guess Islamic ideology trumps That too. It's a shame, even 20 years of education(and an oath sworn to boot) is no match for the hateful dogma of the Quran.
you hear this and you hear that but yet you fail to hear all your own domestic crimes, terrorism, political crimes, racial crimes, war crimes................................... what a two face hypocrite you are.
I said "I believe one of the Drs' involved was from Pakistan."
It turns out the assassins were: 1 Iraqi, 3 Indians, 2 Jordanians and 2 Saudis. All Drs. or Med students at the time.
Now the bombers of the London Underground...3 out of 4 were of Pakistani descent, and they got their train in (of all places) PAKISTAN. Since the bodycount of the Jihadis outnuber All murders of All types in the West it's safe to say I'm not ignoring anything.
As for "all the rednecks, palin supporters, teabaggers", They arent strapping bombs to their bodies and blowing themselves up in churches-synagogues or marketplaces, like you Muslims do-Nor are they likey to commit an "honor killing". This Dental Student was on his way to becoming Shahid, or a Muhjahid at the Very least-and he went to Pakistan to make that happen-Which proves that Not Even an Education grants the Islamic mind immunity from the Mindlessness of Islamism. Burn That into your brain.
Here again above I posted a comment based in fact to which you replied with empty rhetoric and insults-I suggest you take a break from comment on public fora and learn how to discuss issues on merit and substance. While I applaud your being in the 49% of Pakistanis who can read and write, literacy and intellect are 2 different things. Until you can answer me intelligently and with respect, it might be best for you remove yourself from this conversation. You arent doing Pakistan any favors here.
put an army of america's experienced marines on the border of iran & just let them go & clean house. an army on the move with plenty of air support & heavy cannons and just mop up the country. just like gen. sherman through the south during the end of the civil war
ummm... don't the pakistanis LIKE this? the men WANT to defend muslims! Why are the pakistanis wanting to investigate people who say they want to fight for them? WTF?!!
The Pakistani Army Is fighting the Taliban-The Apologist narrative is that "they are criminals" to be arrested-The Fact is they are Islamists fighting International Jihad-Theres volumes of articles and historical documents that illuminate this. Make no mistake-Pakistan is responsible for helping this mess-There are Thousands of Madrassas there from which flows an endless stream of suicide bombers, and footsoldiers for the Jihad-JohnWalker Lindh went from a Pakistani Talib, to an Afghan Taliban.
Again the volume of information on this subject is astounding. One would have to be willfully ignorant at this point to believe what you say. Madrassas are "schools", and the only subject taught in the is "Al Qur'an". That's it...Why do you think they set up training camps next door to them in many places? As I said the Madrassas are where they transform boys into potential Mujahidun, and they use "Al Qur'an" to do it. From the Madrassa it's a short put to the Jihad Camps, that's the next step.
paki government will do everything the USA tells it to do or USA will let India take pak off the map and it will happen so fast if you blink you will miss it
the USA drone attack paki with missiles at will and all paki government do is crawl under table in corner and whimper
what will happen will happen irrespective of what you say to me.
pakistan will do what is in her interest, and within our government and among the ppl, two illegitment wars, kashmir and afghanstan are happening which involves our indigenous people, i.e afghans live in pakistan and america is illegally occupying their land, same with indian and kashmiris.
we support their stuggle.
what we don't support is attacks on pakistans and conflating our gov with their conflict.
Actually, Pakistan's ISI is fighting a proxy terror campaign in India, as we witnessed last Noverber in Mumbai-They are also fighting the Taliban whom they gave safe haven and arms to for the past 10 years-A little known fact is that the Taliban was concieved by the ISI to fight against India over disputed territories in Kashmir and elsewhere. Lashkar e Toiba is another creation of the ISI-Peshawar is the wild west of Asia, and with thousands of Madrasas churning out fresh terrorists...You know?
These young men where just learning to spread the word of Islam. I hope the families of these young men can get a refund on the return portion of their air fair.
Notice how the community is very disturbed that they got caught
howie1962 1 year ago
no other group in the US is as dedicated to destroying American culture & democracy as muslims
Islamic officials "r disturbed" because they were caught. There was no sign of anything suspicious because"death to America" is part of main stream Islam
howie1962 2 years ago
2009.12.18 (Lower Dir, Pakistan) - Children are among fifteen people blown to bits a mosque by a Shahid suicide bomber.
Since this video posted on 12/09/09 at least 51 people have died in Pakistan from Islam. Islam is apparently as deadly as a Cobra.
wideawake123 2 years ago
and like killing of masses doesn't exist in america, it happens monthly there, where a child works into a school and kills 10s, 100s.
no one here is condoning crime, but you seem to think crime only exists in pakistan and not in america.
lets be a little honest and compare rate rates and see who comes out on top.
i doubt pakistan will lose that debate.
hurataimad 2 years ago
That's all true...Except the part where you said:"..it happens monthly there, where a child works into a school and kills 10s, 100s." and "i doubt pakistan will lose that debate."
Besides that and "no one here is condoning crime", I believe every word you said is true. You as an indoctrinated Islamist by your very nature condone violent acts against Kufrs, though you dont see killing Kufrs as a "crime" against Islam since "There is no such thing as "innocent civillians among the Kufrs".
wideawake123 2 years ago
@wideawake123
so when Dr george tiller was murdered many right wing americans didn't both approve of the murder and condoned it?
hurataimad 2 years ago
No you twit... There's 300,000,000 over here and there certainly wasn't anything like group support for what happened. No organized or recognized group or spokesman of any repute came out in support. But nice try. I Live here, as do about 150,000 Pakistanis.
wideawake123 2 years ago
Like I said the Heavyweight Champs of Mass Murder in the USA Are Muslims. Lest we forget: The Largest Single Terrorist Attack on Civilians in History was perpetrated by Your Co-Religionists on My Country on 9/11. That you can spout tuquoque arguments and apologistic rhetoric in face of an on-going Slaughter happening in Pakistan, while Muslim Associations in the USA are Amending Their Rhetoric to the point of tacit Agreement with my position is ridiculous(which is Why I Ridicule and Rebuke you).
wideawake123 2 years ago
@wideawake123
america dropped two nuclear bombs on civilain areas yet you will never consider that mass murder on a wider scale because 1 japanese innocent to you isn't the same as 1 american innocent.
hurataimad 2 years ago
You know you Muslims bring up Japan as if it were germane or in ANY WAY excuses what you are doing to yourselves and Us right now. We killed more civilians in Dresden or Tokyo than we did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If you want to bring up cities we razed, those would be better choices. The Japanese deserved it for what they did to the countries they occupied. For what they did in Singapore and Nanking. It's called War and in both WWI and WWII The Muslims sided with the Germans.
wideawake123 2 years ago
I guess America deserved to be nuked for killing the Native Americans, the innocent people of Panama, supporting Suharto, selling mustard gas to Saddam, The Tuskeegee experiment, overthrowing Irans president and installing the Shah, ect.
newtype64 2 years ago
@newtype64 You're an idiot. YOU deserve to be "nuked".
wideawake123 2 years ago
That's an intellectual reply...I guess you must be a product of the PUBLIC American school system.
newtype64 2 years ago
I've posted probably 50 comments on this forum, that being the shortest. Your comment is basically 2 logical fallacies balled up into one attack. I didnt think your idiocy deserved an intellectual response. Anyone who starts their reply with "nuke 'em" doesnt deserve a well considered response. I stand by my statement. Events relating to this clip, and the discussion on this forum have already proved my points. Over 300 dead in Pakistan Jihad since these comments posted. Have a nice day.
wideawake123 2 years ago
I was being being SARCASTIC, in order for you to see how foolish your first comment was. By the way everyone in Pakistan knows that Blackwater and the CIA are behind these suicide bombings. 60% of Pakistanis beliAEve America is the biggest threat to their countries saftey NOT the Taliban.
newtype64 2 years ago
ZAMZAM admitted today in court 1/5/10 that they went to fight Jihad.. The CIA have much Islamic "pull"? This is Islam and top suggest differently is to plead ignorance. What Pakistanis are doing when theu blame Americans for suicide bombings is ensure more of it from the Taliban and the rest of the "Caravan of Martyrs".
wideawake123 2 years ago
They went to go fight against the Americans that are illegally occupying & invading Afghanistan and Pakistan. Not to kill their own fellow Muslims. Killing their own people makes LOGICAL sence. Paksistanis hate America right now because of all the chaos we are starting. There were never any suicude bombings until the Americans came to this region. The Taliban has been there for decades and have never done this. The Americans show up & all of a sudden ther are bombings everywhere.
newtype64 2 years ago
What?! What are you talking about? We arent "illegally occupying" Afghanistan, and we arent even In Pakistan. You're obviously an Islamist. Why else would you be spouting the Jihadist's rhetoric? Last comment, you were blaming the CIA for suicide bombers. So why not stick to one fallacious argument since you're only arguing for argument's sake. You're bordering on ridiculous now.
wideawake123 2 years ago
Actually we are, maybe you should take a look at the international law. It is against the law to invade a nation based upon a criminal organization opperating within the boarders if that organization has not government al connections. So if the KKK commit a terror attack in Nigeria, the Nigerian government would have no right toinvade America and bombing our major cities. Maybe you should research "Xe" there is a reason they changed their name to "Blackwater". Even the American media admits it!
newtype64 2 years ago
Maybe you should have listened better back in 2001 when Pres. Bush ststed that we were going to ruin whomever was responsible for the attacks on 9/11 and that included their accomplices. The latest pols have the Taliban with 6% support in Afghanistan which means that matematically, even their own families want them dead. Afghanis Want us there. We Build Roads, Hospitals, Schools. The choice between the Death-Mongering Throatslitters you Idolize or a chance at building a Nation was Made there.
wideawake123 2 years ago
Bush is a liar and the whole world knows it. America is always at war with someone for some reason trying to make money. Maybe you should talk to a real Afghan and you will see how much of our media distorts the truth. The Afghans know that their corrupt president whom is actually an AMERICAN that worked for UNICAL (an oil company), is nothing more than a puppet. I'm pretty sure that pipe line that we are going to build has somthing to do with why we are in Afghanistan.
newtype64 2 years ago
Afghanistan under the Taliban was the worst place on earth and a failed state that was a base for the Global Islamic Jihad. Now it isnt. Everywhere Islamism and Sharia take root Death Flourishes. Take Somalia for example. The UN just suspended all Humanitarian Aid because Al Shabab(The Somali Taliban) made it impossible to help the starving Somalis. That of course in your Twisted hateful eyes is Our fault and that's why the sooner we start treating Islam like a Cancer on the planet the better.
wideawake123 2 years ago
Actually the people in Afghanistan wanted the Taliban in power because they provide some stability to the region. Unlike American that screwed them over in the 80s & 90s. Im sure the American supported sanctions that killed 1000s didnt help either. Lets not even talk about Somalia. When the Islamist came to power they provided stability but America funded Ethiopia to invade & overthrow the government. Also western nations dump toxic waste off the coast of Somalia. Is that the aid you speak of?
newtype64 2 years ago
What part of 6% support among Afghanis for the Taliban translates in your mind into "Actually the people in Afghanistan wanted the Taliban in power..."
Do you have any idea how far you have to suspend reality to make that statement? The Afghans Despise the Taliban. DESPISE! Yesterday the UN announced it's Pulling Out of Somalia because Al Shabab has made it imposssible for them to continue to bring food to Somalis. So The Taliban in Somalia differs from the despised Taliban in Afghan How?
wideawake123 2 years ago
If the Afghans want us there then how come every time a civilization has tried to invade Afghanistan the Afghans have always fought back and resisted? Why did David Hoh quit his post because he said that the people who are fighting us simply are citizens that want us to LEAVE?
newtype64 2 years ago
The Afghan people arent fighting us, the Taliban is. The Afghans Despise the Taliban and at this point WANT US THERE to provide security. They dont want to die so some fucked up Islamist can get his fucking Virgins! We have No Imperial Aspiration in Afghanistan. Again while you are adept at spewing forth the Jihadist/Islamist Rhetoric, it's all fallacious because the Afghans despise the Taliban(6% support among Afghanis) and want our protection from them.
wideawake123 2 years ago
You are obviously a CNN coolaid drinker...you actually belive the media that is controlled by the American government and multi billion dollar corporations and banks that all have an agenda. You believe that the government controlled media is going to tell you the truth about the people we are fighting. One thing I learned first hand is that the media is nothing like what reality is. The media is a business not an education tool.
newtype64 2 years ago
So your reply to the statement of poll driven facts is Adhominem? Your answer to me relating a fact that can be souced through AlJazeera, or PBS World Focus Online, which is where I saw it BTW, is to call me a "CNN coolaid drinker"... Remember my 1st reply to you? You've wasted my precious time with your Islamist Apologist rhetoric.Now we're at the end of our discussion. Nothing more can be served by me continuing to indulge your fantasies. Readers will judge between us. I stated Facts here.
wideawake123 2 years ago
As for that whole "they didnt go there to kill Muslims" canard, who do you think is doing the dying in this Jihad? Allied Soldiers certainly arent. About 100 times more Muslims die in Islamic Holy bombings than do our soldiers. 300 in the last 2 weeks-This Jihad of yours is nothing but the slaughter of Muslims By Muslims as sanctioned in the Quran. I believe its called "Takfirism", you know, like when a Sunni blows up a Shia Ashura festival and so on? I here Volleyball is popular with Jihadists.
wideawake123 2 years ago
So you mean to tell me that the Koran tells Muslims to kill other Muslims? I don't haft to tell you how silly you sound, if you believe the media propaganda then you are truly living in the MATRIX. I personally know tons of Pakis & they all know that this is the doing of the CIA and Blackwater. Most Pakistanis do NOT hate the Taliban & the CIA is trying to make the Pakis support America by blaming these bombing the Taliban but it is not working. Pakistan never had these problems until Bush&Obama
newtype64 2 years ago
Yep it sure does-You should have read it before you asked the question. I said it's called "Takfirism"-The Munafiq(Muslim Hypocrites) are lower even than the Kuffar(Infidels) in the Quran. If you wish I'l post verses from the Quran and Hadith instructing "the faithful" on what to do with Muslims who arent Islamic enough. Why dont they complain when a Muslim kills a few hundred other Muslims?Why no riots then Munafiq? Why no riots in Pakistan after Islamists blow up a Volleyball game killing 110?
wideawake123 2 years ago
Considering the fact that about 100 Muslims are killed by the Islamists for every Westerner they kill(according the the news agencies like Al Jazeera, AlArabia etc..) You statement is based in Fantasy. They went to join the Jihad. Currently that means killinh 100 Muslims for each "kuffar" you kill. You Muslims are really funny people...You think it's noble work and people like bin Laden are heros, but they kill more Muslims than cancer. Call me when you Wake The Fuck Up.
wideawake123 2 years ago
@wideawake123
and don't people in america die of murder, why not pull up them stats.
hypocrisy once again.
hurataimad 2 years ago
Learn the difference between "felony murder" and Jihad...ok Cupcake? For the week of 12/25/09 there were 63 Religious Homicides Fisabiallah in Pakistan Alone-Just this evening 12/25 there was yet another attempted MassMurder by a Muslim on an American Airliner. A Muslim tried to light a powder aboard a jetliner before it landed in Detroit. Just another attempt at Mass-Murder in the name of your God. Christian "crusaders" arent chopping people's heads off over here, or blowing up Synagogues.
wideawake123 2 years ago
the chickens are coming home to roost...
if you dont like that statement...than you better think twice about voting for politicians that only look at foreign policy with one one, and the other one closed.
Example"
We give billions of tax dollars to Israel, and defend them and support them. Ok that is fine. But at the same time, we must demand that they do not build and remove the settlelments from Palestinian land.
We are sick and tired of our American blood spilled for lunatics there.
thecruiseliner 2 years ago
Notice that CAIR never condemns radical Islam?
glentubin 2 years ago
The thanks goes to the families and Islamic leaders who saved lives of these young men on top of any innocent victims in their paths.
crymanently 2 years ago
How an Ethiopian muslim participate in this trash action. We ethiopian both Christian and muslim are sorry. Wow very sad
christiangirma 2 years ago
To all the muslims who come onto YouTube who come and live in the USA who trash and make disparaging remarks about our country
and you can do all that because you share the same rights as us- rights you would not have in the sht holes you were bred from
well you know what ? The CIA and FBI know all about YouTube and they know who you are and who your family is
when you get deported back to the hole you came from- your own secret police are going to read your comments back to you
REPOTAG 2 years ago
Why is it that almost all past terror attacks around the globe has some connetion with Pakistan - either people from pakistan or people going to get trained in Pakistan for jihad.
jalataranga 2 years ago
only in your feable mind.
people like you can connect any two unrelated things.
just because your a moron doesn't mean you and your government are justified in their murderous wars.
hurataimad 2 years ago
Yemen has secret police too- they are reading your remarks and taking notes- you in the USA or Yemen ?
Where is your mother ?
REPOTAG 2 years ago
Pakistan is breeding ground of jihadi terror - it is a world known fact - you are not going to alter that one iota by your abusive rant here. Millions of pelope who had no knowledge of pakistan now know it because of radical madarsas and islamic terror. Your two cents don't count buddy.
jalataranga 2 years ago
we are involved in two wars which have been brought upon us by two occupying countries.
pakistan will support the pushtu and kashmiri conflicts.
but these conflicts aren't going to be conflated into a wider conflict, it will be contained involving only those involved, ie afghans 4 afghanistan and kashmiris 4 kashmir.
these wars are totally legit on our part
hurataimad 2 years ago
all I am saying is that you can not completely disown the fact that there are radical islamists in Pakistan and elsewhere who harbour some crazy ideology of spreading Sharia Law all over the world and are ready to blow up everyone who do not agree with them , even people of their own nation. I agree America had lot to do with creating vacuum after the afghan-soviet war and leaving afghanistan and border regions in confilict and tribal wars.
jalataranga 2 years ago
you people are really smart- first bitching that the usa is 'invading ' a crappy illiterate 3rd world nothing and then blaming us for not invading it sooner
REPOTAG 2 years ago
man I have nothing against US...but US also has realized that they did not tie some lose ends after the soviet war in afghanistan....I despise islamic terror as much as you do and I'm glad US is spanking terror butt hard and fast.
jalataranga 2 years ago
the US did not do sht to anyone after the soviet war- you see how ignorant and blind you people are ?
if you want to blame anyone for what happened after the soviet war then balme the russians or the factions in afghanistan
the uS had no combat forces in afghanistan fighting russians in the 1980s so i dont know where you are coming from about the US tying loose ends
REPOTAG 2 years ago
cold war was won by arming mujahdeens and insurgents from pak-afghan regions. I agree however that afghani tribes & warlords have always been at war with eachother so US had nothing to do with their culture.
jalataranga 2 years ago
oh, now you take credit for winning the cold war ?
okay- LOL
dumb mthrfckr
REPOTAG 2 years ago
fuck you and your Islam shite - you pedophile worshipper get lost...
jalataranga 2 years ago
you got your wires crossed there mate, REPOTAG jump in there, (anti muslim guy), you responded to him, maybe thinking he was me,(the pakistani muslim guy). he then responded to you with insults. then you responded to him with insults like he was me. i.e with the pedophile stuff.
imadhurata 2 years ago
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yes i can deny it because it isn't true.
1st off the talaban are regional resistance force, nothing more. 2nd many joining that fight restrict the fight to the region like these kidz. 3rd the 1s termed as jihadists don't have a view of world domination, they also are restricted to the the muslim regimes and are restricted to justifying their actions by the sunnah, hence alot didn't agree with the 9-11 tactic.
imadhurata 2 years ago
you see the problem is everybody is trying to conflated issues together and force that conflated convoluted view on the rest of us.
so the jihadist will link the pak gov with their arab gov to america to the one working in 9-11, so on, to their view point, combining political change to resistence.
then you have the americans doing the same, taliban to the jihadist to the pakistani to their government.
imadhurata 2 years ago
Imad, Your comment makes absolutely no sense at all. You have nerve trying to portray this as a "governments" thing, and "Islamic Resistence" with political change. This is Jihad and mass murder for the sake of "Allah". A Muslim living in the ME is 16 times more likely to be blown to bits than a Kaffir there? They're killing you-but you blame us-Maybe you all should organize one of those protests-but instead of the Pope or Cartoons, you should protest the Ghouls who are really slaughtering you.
wideawake123 2 years ago
only two facts mattter - that all five are fucking Muslims and they went to the land of jihad Pakistan to get trained on terror. They will now rot at Gitmo.
jalataranga 2 years ago
Obama & his 2 face goverment paid them to do terror inside Pakistan.
America, Israel & India are terrorist countries.
Tamasha1 2 years ago
dont be so fucking stupid!!
nomnomnom00 2 years ago
what if they are political spys?
or moles?
mmmmm?
just what if ?
thecruiseliner 2 years ago
They're not Dude...They woukdnt have left the video, they would have just left.
"If" would be a sign that we are finally taking the Jihad seriously enough to try to plant spies. Dont count on that kind of initiative from This administration, DHS is too busy looking for "Potential Right-Wing Terror Threats".
wideawake123 2 years ago
ok all in one comment, no pakistani was involved in 9-11........... u haven't proved anything.
pakistani government hasn't been behind any terrorist attacks especially the one in mumbia........... you haven't proved anything.
citing some random pakistani's crime is hypocritical, because random americans have done terror attacks, killings murder aswell.
finally who cares about illiteracy? those pakistans don't need to read.
as4 the camps, good.
hurataimad 2 years ago
Khalid Shiekh Mohammad who Planned 9/11 was FROM Pakistan and where was he arrested again? Oh yeah...PAKISTAN.
There are recordings of the Lashkar e Tayyiba(a terror group that originated in Pakistan) getting orders on cellphone during the Mumbai attack from their ISI handlers in YOU GUESSED IT...Pakistan. I dont cite "Random Crime" 150,000 Child Slaves isnt "random" at all. At our worst Americans cant imagine committing the barbarities that Pakistanis accept as everday occurances.
wideawake123 2 years ago
lashkar tayyiba is independent of the pakistani GOVERNMENT, and where KSM was picked up and had been is irrelevent.
as for your generalization of the pakistani's morality based on crime rate, have a look at your own. if crime is your basis then america is the heart of evil.
imadhurata 2 years ago
Well the phone communication were traced back to the ISI...are they part of Pakistan's Govt?
As of 2006, 11 million children were working as intentued servants and bond slaves across all industries in Pakistan, Shall I name them?
Carpet Weaving
Brick Making
Steel Mills
Stone crushing
Glass and Pottery making...children make up a quarter of the unskilled work force, and can be found in virtually every factory, every workshop, every field. How many Child Slaves do American factories employ?
wideawake123 2 years ago
As for KSM(Islam's poster child) The guy is From Pakistan, he planned 9/11 while living In Pakistan, and wopuldnt you know...thats where they eventually found him. I call that plenty "relevent" in the context of this discussion. Those 5 Muslims didnt go to Pakistan for a game of TiddleyWinks, they went to join the Jihad in progress there. Jihad Bodycount for the week ending 12/16 was 111 murdered 242 wounded that we know of. That doesnt included the "NO-GO" regions where reports arent even made.
wideawake123 2 years ago
So Imad-if you want to go on arrogantly pretending that Islamic jihad isnt ripping Pakistan apart-by all means please continue-but to sit there writing that The USA is the evil one and Pakistan is really this great moral place ignoring the fact that about 2/3s of your countrymen cant even read-1/4 of you workforce are Child Slaves-and there are large parts of Pakistan where the Army cant even go w/out a Division of men... well, thats just foolish and futitle. Noone here believes it-Not even You.
wideawake123 2 years ago
Prending victims does not make any God damned rights to accuse other terrorists. Some of my clients told me that.
BenjaminXYang 2 years ago
Why did Obama spend a month in Pakistan when he was a college student in 1981?
marzutraII 2 years ago
He was being trained to carry out a terrorist plot of course. Everyone knows that dummy.
archados 2 years ago
they wanted to get trained in terror and jihad - no wonder they HAD to go to Pakistan - where else can you learn those things ??
jalataranga 2 years ago
@jalataranga America.
BenjaminXYang 2 years ago
pakistan is world capital of terror, jihad, islamic extremism - you name it.
jalataranga 2 years ago
@jalataranga Worse monsters has a big smiling face.
BenjaminXYang 2 years ago
@jalataranga you are right.....for
terrorist pilgrimage a journey for pakistan
is a must
jpandyaraja 2 years ago
it might be possible they were trying to prove some strange point
ummagumma21 2 years ago
Bad news if they are innocent. Pakistan is under huge pressure by the US to prove its actively involved in combating fundamentalism, and these guys would make perfect scapegoat.
calicheSCOT 2 years ago
u call dem americans ...deeze modafuckaz r not americans..fuckin bastards..dei should never come back to america n stay in deir camel jockey country,..
JOS3EMMANUEL 2 years ago
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IronGuy100 2 years ago
deport all theses terrorists otherwise they will bring tension again....don,t trust muslims......
taadhi2003 2 years ago 4
Religious, fundamentalists zealots are so very repugnant. They kill liberty and hope wherever their absurd, ignorant and hate filled agenda sees the light of day. I wish we could kick them out on their Republican asses.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
Nihad Awad(CAIR) is a Ghoul He's said he would like to see the US Constitution replaced by Shariah Law. CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in Terrorism. As for the Kitman speading Imam who spoke: The "Outwardly radicalized behavior" would be their traveling to Pakistan to commit Jihad against their own country(Though No Devout Muslim can truly ever be a US citizen because America is Dar al Harb). The proof that they were "radicalized" is in their current situation and taped confession.
wideawake123 2 years ago 4
Give him a break, he probably got PTSD from studying so hard.
marzutraII 2 years ago
they proved to be a ticking time bomb again :D
jsvjuggernaut 2 years ago 3
Look for them at a shopping mall near you this xmas with shopping bags and backpacks
Gandhiablo 2 years ago
let them fight for the Taliban and they can lie dead rotting and anonymous in a ditch alongside a dirt road like the rest of them.
either that or let the pakis cut their heads off in the soccer stadium like they do the scarlets
REPOTAG 2 years ago 2
pakis? head cutting? soccer stadiums?
go and read a book.
we don't cut heads, nor do we have soccer stadiums, we have cricket, hockey ones.
learn something about something b4 speaking.
hurataimad 2 years ago
REPOTAG may have confused Pakistan with Afghanistan-but Pakistan is not an innocent bystander in this-Muslims from the West routinely travel to Pakistan for training in terror tactics-The bombers of the London Underground trained in Pakistan-There is a culture of hate there fueled by Islamism that manifests in death in Mumbai, London..all over the world. Yesterday I read a Pakistani article in which they blame their civilian deaths on the USA and Israel, not AlQaeda, The Taliban, Lashkar e Toiba
wideawake123 2 years ago 4
no pakistan is an innocent bystander, or you can say all in one way or another are complicit, ALL are guilty.
certainly pakistan is more innocent then america.
hurataimad 2 years ago
That's really a ridiculous syatement considering the thousands of Madrassas and the deadly fruit they bear. As I stated earlier These Muslims went to Pakistan to join up to get trained and fight Jihad. They didnt go to India. They didnt go to Indonesia. They didnt go to Saudi Arabia...They went to Pakistan. Were those "innocent Pakistanis" that rampaged through Mumbai last Nov.? This has been brewing in Pakistan since the late 70s. Now you blame America for Islamic. Get over yourself.
wideawake123 2 years ago 2
they were innocent indians that rampaged through mumbia.
as for those caught, don't be ignorant, people are smuggled into every war zone.
i know of ppl smugglers who can get you into many war zones and they get plenty of custom.
grow up you rat worshipping hindu.
hurataimad 2 years ago
"grow up you rat worshipping hindu."
I would bronze that comment if I could. It's monumentally ignorant and humorous all at once. At the same time you are telling someone to "grow up", you call them a "rat worshipping Hindu"-I'm an Italian guy from NJ-My interest in this is that I lost 2 friends at the World Trade Center on 9/11. That's why I have taken it upon myself to learn Everything about Islam-Islamism-Islamists, and Terrorism. Pakistan Looms Large in the world of International Terrorism.
wideawake123 2 years ago
i couldn't care less if you lost family in the world trade centre.
i care about the innocent people of pakstan who have lost love ones.
btw what has the world trade centre got to do with pakistan.
hurataimad 2 years ago
I just went through this post, without exception my responses to you have been respectful and accurate. Ive checked my sources and there is no disputing my statements, which have all been On Topic. You on the other hand have level personal insults at me, and empty, baseless rhetoric at this forum. What does wishing my family dead or calling me a "rat worshipping Hindu" have to do with Pakistan as a destination for would-be Islamic terrorists? I've outlined the many ways Pakistan is Not innocent.
wideawake123 2 years ago
the fact is your comments are far to long and boring and you use far too many words............ to respond to you in kind would make the dialogue far to convoluted for my liking.
hurataimad 2 years ago
I'm sorry, I thought you were literate. Is it that I'm not succint enough? Is that why you called me a "Rat worshipping Hindu"? Is that why you called me a "Redneck from out in the sticks"? Clearly you dont know much about America. NJ isnt "the sticks", I live the NY Metropolitan Area...Basically the center of the world.
wideawake123 2 years ago
you mean to complex
REPOTAG 2 years ago
Read about Khalid Sheikh Mohammad (911 mastermind) and you will see the Pakistan connection.
jalataranga 2 years ago
how dumb are you? because someone is a pakistani BY ORIGIN doesn't mean the state is responsible.
by the way he is a kuwaiti citizen and even his origins aren't pure pakistani, they are balochi, i.e afghani.
so take that and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
hurataimad 2 years ago
Are there or are there Not Hundreds of Jihadi Training camps in Pakistan? Are there or are there not hundreds of Madrassas from which they recruit jihadis in Pakistan? These 5 Muslims went to Pakistan Specifically to join in the Jihad. They didnt go to India, they went to Pakistan...Why?
wideawake123 2 years ago
ya but he is muslim and had stayed in pakistan for quite some time to get radicalized - that's where they all go to train for Jiyad.
jalataranga 2 years ago
the honest truth beyond debates is that these guys went to pakistan because the american media put a focus on pakistan.
no one wanted them there and no one asked them to come.
the more focus your media puts on it, the more they make it an issue, the more these younglings will be filled with anger and the greater there action.
hurataimad 2 years ago
They went to Pakistan because That's where a Muslim goes if he wants to be taught how to be a mass-murderer. A Jihadi would stop in Darra on their way to Afghanistan for guns, and RPGs and away they go. The BBC calls it "The most dangerous place in the world". The Pashtun region is as inhospitable a place as ever existed. The people there would Kill me in a day. Watch the video "The Gun Markets of Pakistan"...there's your proof. Pakistan is a Shithole.
wideawake123 2 years ago
telling a pakistani about what the contry is like? boy are you one arrogent tosspot.
you say pakistani is inhospitable, yet you have never been and what of america, is it a hospitable country for the pakistani?
imadhurata 2 years ago
Imad, everything I have said about Pakistan is a verifiable fact. I alluded to something in a comment that I later found to be erronoius and I coreected Myself. Does that sound like arrogance? WhaT I call arrogance is for Muslims to come on these fora and blame America and our government for problems stemming soley from Islamist Ideology. Afghan. under the Taliban was a FAILED State, and base for international TERRORISM. The ISI Created the Taliban, so Yes...Pakistan is culpable in this mess.
wideawake123 2 years ago
oooh i get it, you just swap the word "isi" for "cia".
nice one!
you are a nutjob conspiriouscy freak.
imadhurata 2 years ago
I didnt swap anything Imad-the CIA funded and trained the Mujhadin in the Soviet war in Afghan. That was the extent of our involvement. The Taliban was created by the ISI to use against India in Kashmere. This isnt me talking out of my head...It's a matter of record. To recite history to a Muslim makes you a "nut-job"? The only "conspiracy" here is that fellow Muslims have conspired to fill your head with mush. There are still parts of the Pak Army who support The Taliban!
wideawake123 2 years ago
@wideawake123
now you really show your ignorance, tabib means student talibaan means two students, student is a term of respect in islamic theology, and the term represents an olive branch to the shia of afghanistan, the sunnah being the one student, the shia being the other.
the term was a vehicle to bring the dividing ethnicities together, so don't you think that is a indication to the aims and remit of the taliban?
hurataimad 2 years ago
I think somewhere above in this forum I actually posted the definition of Talib(not "tabib") It doesnt absolve then from the Mass-Muders the have commit in there "study" of Islam. They are salafist and Wahabs...That's not a Shia sect. It seems apparent that you wish to talk about anythingBut- MUSLIMS ARRESTED IN PAKISTAN WHO WENT THERE TO JOIN THE JIHAD.
wideawake123 2 years ago
@wideawake123
again you show you ignorance,the talibaan are sufis from the deoband school of thought.
i never said they were shia, the term was coined to put a diplomatic face before endeavouring on uniting afghanistan
asfor this mass murder, what mass murder? you lie again.
hurataimad 2 years ago
The Taliban are Wahabis and from the Hunbali School of Sharia Law(Sharia being a modern Muslim Monument to 7th century Arab Tribal "Justice")
You are so twisted with the Burning Rage that Islam Imbues you with that you pretend that history didnt happen, and you do so in the full view of thousands who Know It Did. The Videos of Taliban Mass Murder are ALL OVER THE WEB! They used to STONE people to death at Halftime in soccer matches. I've seen it. They killed hundreds of Thousands of Afghans.
wideawake123 2 years ago
wikipedia it you moron, you are WRONG.
the talibaan have no special liking for the salaf and visa versa.
hurataimad 2 years ago
"Wikipedia"-yet another monument to the stupidity and lazyness of your generation-Blow yourself up already Bomb-to-Be and leave the forum-All youve proven here is that you are so imbued with Islamic Hatred that you cant even see straight-This isnt the only video dealing with these little creep's trip-100 others bear me out. All your aruments are flawed at inception-Every major Islamic organization in America is admitting the problem which makes you a gigantic fool to argue against me...and Them.
wideawake123 2 years ago
@wideawake123
i can't use wiki, yet you run to youtube search and make the mother of all blunders by stating pakistan did the actrocities india has been accused of.
hurataimad 2 years ago
The Mumbai Terrorists were identified by Mumbai police, along with their home towns in Pakistan: Ajmal Amir from Faridkot, Abu Ismail Dera Ismail Khan from Dera Ismail Khan, Hafiz Arshad and Babr Imran from Multan, Javed from Okara, Shoaib from Narowal, Nazih and Nasr from Faisalabad, Abdul Rahman from Arifwalla, and Fahad Ullah from Dipalpur Taluka. All Members of LeT, All Pakistani! The Mumbai attacks were planned and directed by LeT inside Pakistan and directed from inside Pakistan-NOT India!
wideawake123 2 years ago
If you're looking for mass graves with fresh bodies in them, all you have to do is go to the Muslim world. Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq(Under Saddam), Pakistan, Yemen, Sudan, Algeria, Somalia, Niger, Chad...The common thread that binds these places is what makes them so horrible...Islamism and Sharia The imposition of political Islam and sharia law is a virtual Guarantee of mass executions. Hanging 16 girls for being raped(Nazanin) Double Amputees because they stole bread in hunger. Barbaric.
wideawake123 2 years ago
what mass graves in pakistan?
hurataimad 2 years ago
Another Slam Dunk: Search "MASS GRAVES IN PAKISTAN" I got 697K hits and reports on mass graves in Swat and Kashmir on page 1. Your Buddies are slaughtering each other over there by the 1,000s in some case where 100+ or 200+ die in one incident or mosque attack they bury the dead in communal graves. 176 Dead and over 1,000 Wounded Since the1st of this month, want to bet they break 200 for December? More people are dying in the Jihad in Pakistan than in Iraq. You Muslims LOVE Killing each other.
wideawake123 2 years ago
@wideawake123
i searched and all i got was this:
/watch?v=H_TFxBpExI4
you can't blame pakistan for the acts of indian. then again you will try.
hurataimad 2 years ago
Again I suggest you search Google or Bing. The Swat valley has the freshest mass graves, and in addition 3/4 of a million Refugees in Pakistan right now. Apparently you were'nt able to figure out how to copy-paste "Mass Graves in Pakistan" into Google or Bing, or "Jihadis are us"... Again you keep talking about India, but LeT is Slaughtering Indians like it's Free. The Problem is all the Jihadist in Pakistan. It seems You and They are the only people in the world that dont see it that way.
wideawake123 2 years ago
To your statement that I've "never been": The U.S. Dept. of State has an advisory against travel to Pakistan and as a Non-Muslim, I wouldnt consider it. Theres Way more to see in India and if I Were to travel to the region That's where Id go. They Like Americans there. Thailand too. From all I've read and seen the only reason to go to Pakistan is to visit relatives or join the Jihad.
All the Pakistanis I've met here Love It in America. We are a Melting Pot and Very accepting of other cultures.
wideawake123 2 years ago
so hence you admit it, you speak of a culture and country like you know it in great detail, yet you have never been there.
imadhurata 2 years ago
My comment spoke for itself. What part of "US State dept Travel Advisoy" dont You get? A culture that embraces Child Slavery, Honor Killing, Violent Jihad in the name of Islam and female circumcision, while having no historical landmarks(save Khyber Pass) to speak of really isnt on my "gotta go there" list. There's a new invention of the Kufrs called the "Internet" and I can learn all I need to about a place simply by visiting 1000 websites. "The most dangerous place on earth"-The BBC
wideawake123 2 years ago
@wideawake123
what the hell sort of narcotics are you ingesting? child slavery? female circumcision? are you deluded? you watch one dumb ignorant documentary, maybe, god knows where you got this garbage from.
there is no child slavery and no female circumcisionin pakistan, that is made up a lie.
now you might argue there's the ignorant whomight believe the have the right to surpass due process, but educated muslims don't.
as for jihadists, naah that is an arab thing.
hurataimad 2 years ago
What part of ONE QUARTER OF THE WORKFORCE AS OF 2007 didnt you understand? Child Slavery! This is fairly simple
Step one: Type into your web browser -Child Slavery and press enter. Now I got 1,390,000 results in half a second, how many did You get? BTW, The nuber of web pages I got only equals 1/10 of the actual number of Children in question who work for less than $4o a year. You can Bullshit all you want. You have insults and empty rhetoric, I have the facts.
wideawake123 2 years ago
@wideawake123
what? you think a child who does a paper round is child slavery?
what a load of bs.
i see when you quote these so called facts that you don't have ANY references. sounds like more bs.
hurataimad 2 years ago
"Paperboys"... Well as far lies go that one on its face wasnt so bad-once we delve into reality tho we see that 90% of All Carpet Weavers in Pakistan are Child Slaves. Ive already listed the numbers and I quoted refences: Humanrightswatch, Atlantic Monthy, UNICEF, And I challenged you to do the near impossible: Copy-Paste CHILD SLAVERY IN PAKISTAN into your web browser. But that's to complicated for a barely literate throatslitter, isnt it. 1/4 of Pakistan's unskilled workforce are Child Slaves.
wideawake123 2 years ago
if a child works for the parents on the farm, that is fine and even good for the child in his education and development. but if the child's been kidnapped and used, ofcourse that is wrong, but don't dare tell me criminal behaviour doesn't exist in america. you have the same problems and even worse, because yours exist right down to a domestic dynamic,where childrenare abused by parents, churches, and carehomes.
hurataimad 2 years ago
Sorry to bust up your little "family farm" FANTASY, but above I posted the Numbers-References-Seach Parameters and they show 1/4 of Pakistan's unskilled workforce are Child Slaves eg.90% of all carpet-weavers/Brick-Makers-That Children are sold into Slavery by their PARENTS who get <$40 a year for their children's suffering-That didnt change over the weekend. While crime and child abuse exists Globally(including the USA)there's SYSTEMIC Indentured Servitude and Bonded Child Slavery in Pakistan.
wideawake123 2 years ago
@wideawake123
stating as being slavery doesn't make it so.
1st off call it what it is, child labor, next we can have a debate about the morality of it
hurataimad 2 years ago
What part of this do you need help with? So now it's not "paper-boys" and "family farms", it's a matter of "Well...that depends on your moral interpretation of what slavery is". That's comical. Why dont you refer the the Universal Human Bill of Rights, UNICEF HumanRightsWatch or any International Child Protection Organization on what They consider the 11+Million Children working in Pakistani factories. What do You call working 18 hour days for 11cents a day?
wideawake123 2 years ago
you know smugglers who get people into war zones ?
You do know the FBI and CIA also watch YouTube right ?
My guess is if you are in paki you will shortly get picked up by your wonderful secret police as will the rest of your family
nice knowing you
REPOTAG 2 years ago
fbi watch youtube? lol....................... by the way, i said i know OF, not that i know and even if i do, is knowing a crime?
you are a pathetic cow worshiping moron, who thinks to much of yourself.
you are nothing but a dirty loser.
hurataimad 2 years ago
too late to make alibi statements- nice knowing you- maybe if you are in the USA they will only deport you and your family
REPOTAG 2 years ago
lucky thing i'm not then, because looking at your failing economy the future there isn't so bright.
hurataimad 2 years ago
pakistan has one of the highest illiteracy rates in the world
pakistan lets the usa fire missiles on its soil anytime it wants
paki is the whore of the usa
usa owns paki through the world bank
REPOTAG 2 years ago
and you think the world bank is owned by america? how ignorant are you? america by your understanding is then owned by china.
pakistan is a sovereign country, we refuse to allow ANY soldiers on our soil, WHICH has led to your dumb drone thingy whats its.
aslong as none of you thickass american soldiers don't step foot on our soil, you can send your weak sauce drones in.
as for illiteracy rates, just look at the dumbness of americans, whats the point in them reading?
imadhurata 2 years ago
If Pakistan had an effective answer...if they were able to control the Jihadist within their borders, we wouldnt have to use drone attacks on the Jihadis. Pakistan's answer was to allow the Taliban to take over the Swat Valley. This of course led to the current internal conflict and Millions of refugees.Pakistan is 1 bullet away from becoming an Islamist state with Nukes. Believe this: America isnt bombing the Taliban in India, because they arent there...They're in Waziristan...In Pakistan
wideawake123 2 years ago 5
pakistan has an answer for pakistan not america.
what do you think paistan is here to solve your problems.
pakistan is a statehood which will solve it's problems and look after it's own issues.
get over it
hurataimad 2 years ago
What has Pakistan Ever done to lead anyone with a brain to believe they have Anything under control? There are 2 Million Internal Refugees from the Swat Valley there right now! If not for the International Red Cross, They would have Starved! Pakistan is the Jannisary of South Asia, and as I said a mecca for terrorists, and terrorist wannabes. Honor killing-Christians Abducted/Forced Conversions-Arrainged Marriages...Children graduate from Madrassas to terrorist training camps-it's Hell on Earth.
wideawake123 2 years ago
pakistan doesn't need to prove nothing to no1, least of all a pathetic loser stuck out in the sticks of america.
hurataimad 2 years ago
Above I posted a reasoned, well researched, accurate portrayal of Pakistan's culpability, and the role it's playing in international terrorism, as well as the internal conflicts and crisis' that make it one of the most dangerous places on earth right now. You in return level personal insults at me, because you have no logical responses to my arguement. Pakistan is 1 bullet away from being a full-blown terrorist state with nuclear weapons-while most Pakistanis sit on their hands and Blame US.
wideawake123 2 years ago
you made up false claim and passed them off as facts.
do you really think that india wouldn't have went to war if your claims were true.
see thats why you conspiricy nutjobs aren't listen to much.
hurataimad 2 years ago
Name one. Name one false claim. How's that for succinctness?
wideawake123 2 years ago
Now, shall I post the latest story from CNN about Child Slavery in Pakistan? Apparently in 1 industry alone they employ(more like slaves than employees) over 150,000 children Making Bricks! Is there no shame in you people?
wideawake123 2 years ago
it does not matter...
some day india will kick the crap out of pakistan and if you blink your eye you just might miss it... then no more pakistan- just dead pakistanis
REPOTAG 2 years ago
india?
yeah right, LOL.
nice joke there .
made me laugh.
hurataimad 2 years ago
what? and you have surveyed the entire world have you?
we might have alot of people who can't read, but we also have scientists, academics, professionals, doctors, computer programers and such.
and sometimes it is pointless to learn. just look at all the rednecks, palin supporters, teabaggers, whats the point in educating them.
generally it's pointless, and that was my point.
hurataimad 2 years ago
Every country in the world has Drs...etc-As for the Literacy rate in Pakistan(the "jewel of south Asia") it's 49% which means less than 1/2 of the people over the age of 15 in Pakistan can read or write their own names-India by contrast(you know...the "rat worshipping Hindus") has a literacy rate of 66% and this in a country of 1 billion people-which mean that there are 3 times as many people who can read and write in India than the total population of Pakistan. Maybe You should worship rats.
wideawake123 2 years ago
every country HAS pakistani doctors, lol.
hurataimad 2 years ago
I hear they work cheap. Also, I believe a Pakistani Dr. was involved in the failed attempt to bomb Glosgow Airport along with a few Iraqi Drs. I thought all Drs. took the Hypocratic Oath...I guess Islamic ideology trumps That too. It's a shame, even 20 years of education(and an oath sworn to boot) is no match for the hateful dogma of the Quran.
wideawake123 2 years ago
you hear this and you hear that but yet you fail to hear all your own domestic crimes, terrorism, political crimes, racial crimes, war crimes................................... what a two face hypocrite you are.
hurataimad 2 years ago
I said "I believe one of the Drs' involved was from Pakistan."
It turns out the assassins were: 1 Iraqi, 3 Indians, 2 Jordanians and 2 Saudis. All Drs. or Med students at the time.
Now the bombers of the London Underground...3 out of 4 were of Pakistani descent, and they got their train in (of all places) PAKISTAN. Since the bodycount of the Jihadis outnuber All murders of All types in the West it's safe to say I'm not ignoring anything.
wideawake123 2 years ago
As for "all the rednecks, palin supporters, teabaggers", They arent strapping bombs to their bodies and blowing themselves up in churches-synagogues or marketplaces, like you Muslims do-Nor are they likey to commit an "honor killing". This Dental Student was on his way to becoming Shahid, or a Muhjahid at the Very least-and he went to Pakistan to make that happen-Which proves that Not Even an Education grants the Islamic mind immunity from the Mindlessness of Islamism. Burn That into your brain.
wideawake123 2 years ago
not what i've been reading in the newspapers, i've heard alot of rednecks are killing and murdering lately.
you really need to read more.
hurataimad 2 years ago
Here again above I posted a comment based in fact to which you replied with empty rhetoric and insults-I suggest you take a break from comment on public fora and learn how to discuss issues on merit and substance. While I applaud your being in the 49% of Pakistanis who can read and write, literacy and intellect are 2 different things. Until you can answer me intelligently and with respect, it might be best for you remove yourself from this conversation. You arent doing Pakistan any favors here.
wideawake123 2 years ago
put an army of america's experienced marines on the border of iran & just let them go & clean house. an army on the move with plenty of air support & heavy cannons and just mop up the country. just like gen. sherman through the south during the end of the civil war
jbadal1 2 years ago 2
fuck you CAIR.
TheLiberalssuckdick 2 years ago 4
Hang him at once.
TheLiberalssuckdick 2 years ago 4
ummm... don't the pakistanis LIKE this? the men WANT to defend muslims! Why are the pakistanis wanting to investigate people who say they want to fight for them? WTF?!!
ChristinaWatkinson 2 years ago 6
@ChristinaWatkinson prbbly just another "inside job" to get more troops on middle east
aseticelite 2 years ago
they are NOT going to fight for Pakistan.. they will be fighting for the Taliban, which the Pakistan is also fighting against..
aminbaayeh 2 years ago 3
no we aren't fighting the taliban.
if a crime is done, then the criminal will be hunted down, nothing more.
if the taliban keep there fight in afghanistan no one in pakistan is bothered.
hurataimad 2 years ago
The Pakistani Army Is fighting the Taliban-The Apologist narrative is that "they are criminals" to be arrested-The Fact is they are Islamists fighting International Jihad-Theres volumes of articles and historical documents that illuminate this. Make no mistake-Pakistan is responsible for helping this mess-There are Thousands of Madrassas there from which flows an endless stream of suicide bombers, and footsoldiers for the Jihad-JohnWalker Lindh went from a Pakistani Talib, to an Afghan Taliban.
wideawake123 2 years ago
maybe it's you who is a fanatic, you seem to be on a quest to demonise the innocent by slanderous claims.
as for madrasa, A madrasa is a school and america have 1000s of schools, so i can they are jihadists also.
go read a book.
hurataimad 2 years ago
Again the volume of information on this subject is astounding. One would have to be willfully ignorant at this point to believe what you say. Madrassas are "schools", and the only subject taught in the is "Al Qur'an". That's it...Why do you think they set up training camps next door to them in many places? As I said the Madrassas are where they transform boys into potential Mujahidun, and they use "Al Qur'an" to do it. From the Madrassa it's a short put to the Jihad Camps, that's the next step.
wideawake123 2 years ago 3
paki government will do everything the USA tells it to do or USA will let India take pak off the map and it will happen so fast if you blink you will miss it
the USA drone attack paki with missiles at will and all paki government do is crawl under table in corner and whimper
REPOTAG 2 years ago
how old are you?
what will happen will happen irrespective of what you say to me.
pakistan will do what is in her interest, and within our government and among the ppl, two illegitment wars, kashmir and afghanstan are happening which involves our indigenous people, i.e afghans live in pakistan and america is illegally occupying their land, same with indian and kashmiris.
we support their stuggle.
what we don't support is attacks on pakistans and conflating our gov with their conflict.
hurataimad 2 years ago
fight for pakistan? what spices have you snorted? who are we fighting? we aren't fighting anyone.
is there a war coming?
hurataimad 2 years ago
Actually, Pakistan's ISI is fighting a proxy terror campaign in India, as we witnessed last Noverber in Mumbai-They are also fighting the Taliban whom they gave safe haven and arms to for the past 10 years-A little known fact is that the Taliban was concieved by the ISI to fight against India over disputed territories in Kashmir and elsewhere. Lashkar e Toiba is another creation of the ISI-Peshawar is the wild west of Asia, and with thousands of Madrasas churning out fresh terrorists...You know?
wideawake123 2 years ago
isi is our internal security service, much like the nsa and the cia.
and you have absolutely no proof of what they are doing or not doing, you are just speculating, just like those conspiricy nutjobs.
hurataimad 2 years ago
Of course there's proof hurataimad...The Indian government interc