For all of you who are to stupid to understand, answer this question for me... If Evolution is true, shouldn't there be creatures and humans that are half evolved today? How come we don't see a half man, half monkey walking around?
The algae Chlorella pyrenoidosa was observed to shift from a single celled species to a multi celled species when predators were introduced into it's environment (as a result of a mistake whilst performing another experiment).
The algae formed colonies that were more successful at surviving, and stabilised to become the most successful inhabitants of the artificial environment.
This is a major one because it shows the transition between single cellular and multicellular species.
i feel sorry for people who believe in Evolution and its Fraudulent lies ! Those who debate Kent Hovind stand no chance ! No wonder there are over 3000 professors who are shit scared to debate him ! LOL ! I am so glad the truth of the Bible is finally getting told !
the first scientist is nervous and unsecure... His body language touching his head all the time... LOL...I dont think he would be like this in a normal setting where he only had ignorant kids to talk about evolution theory to but since Hovind just annihilated the evolution theory its hard to come back... Props to Hovind !!
You are also still not realizing that fossils are not the primary source of evidence. There is also more genetic data than you can poke a stick at and actual observations of rapid evolution in lower forms of life (which reproduce fast).
Scientists *have* been able to recreate evolution, and observe it actually happening.
When a religious person can recreate creation out of nothing then I'll believe it, until then common sense says to believe those who have proof.
Strains of Flavobacterium that have the ability to digest nylon by-products (which didn't even exist before the 1930s) were first found in 1975 in ponds that had wastewater from nylon plants. Specifically the enzymes they produce are distinct from their ancestors, and flourished in this new environment.
The Italian wall lizard was introduced to the island of Pod Mrčaru. After several generations (and a war which prevented scientists from reaching the island) researchers returned to find several significant differences in the size and morphology of the lizard population.
Even more surprising the lizard population had developed cecal valves, which were not present in the original species, and allow the lizards to better break down plants found on that island.
The Faroe Island House Mouse, which was introduced only around 250 years ago, has been observed to have had major morphological changes, including among the several islands themselves.
The populations are distinct and a result of speciation due to differences between islands and differences from their native habitats.
Finally I shall mention dogs as being a good example.
"if... it could be shown that the greyhound, bloodhound, terrier, spaniel and bull-dog, which we all know propagate their kind truly, were the offspring of any single species, then such facts would have great weight in making us doubt about the immutability of the many closely allied natural species" -Charles Darwin
Funnily enough we know today that all dog species are the result of selective breeding from the Gray Wolf.
@Encryptsan I wouldn't say anything about common sense because clearly you can never throw a grenade and by its explosion create something. Just sayin.
When your choice is between the impossible, and the improbable common sense says that the improbable explanation is almost definitely correct.
When the choice is "Magic sky man used witchcraft to make the species in 3 days then had a rest" or "random genetic mutations (which we know occur) and natural selection (which we know occurs) gives rise to new species over time according to changing environments" then I'd rather choose the answer that does not offend sensibility.
You dont understand spirituality, you have knowledge of the natural, but do not have knowledge of things beyond it (The supernatural), these are things science cant tell you cos its beyond their reach. science is the study of the natural not the supernatural, and just cos they cant give explanations for the supernatural does mean that it does not exist. A word is enough for the wise, learn about things before condemning it, and pls stop believing in lies just cos u dont wanna believe in God
@theaccousticaddict there is no realistic way to understand the spirit world besides with faith. every single person with faith understands it in their own way. thats why religious beliefs are only a theory.
@MrShocktarded Yes, and it is through faith that we commune with our God who is a spiritual God and not physical. Science is the study of the natural not of the supernatural. There's no theories in spirituality, theories are made up ways to try and explain things, in spirituality, something is either true or not, of God or of the devil, there's no theories in it.
*You* don't understand the supernatural either because *you* are natural.
Humans are not supernatural, we are completely material.
If you claim to understand non-natural things then you have to prove it, otherwise how could you possibly claim to know the mind of a being who you admit is far more wise, intelligent, powerful, complex, and unknowable than anything else on earth?
You *still* have not defined spirituality at all. All this rambling and no definition.
If it has an impact on the physical world then it IS measurable and under the dominion of scientific and empirical inquiry. Saying something exists, and has an effect on the world, but is not measurable is a contradictory statement.
@Encryptsan Do you think you are educated? no sir you are not, you believe you are an animal, that is not education, that is illiteracy, lack of believe and symptoms of western mind control and indoctrination. you are part of a new age movement without knowing and to you you think you are intelligent. As God exists so does the devil, that same devil that made man sin against God in Eden, he still exists today and still specialises in diverting people from God making them sin against him.
You have made this claim that this devil exists, but have given no proof for it.
Evolution has more documented evidence than the theory of gravity, but your chronic misunderstanding of it ("you think you are an animal") probably means that you don't consider truth or evidence to be a useful thing.
Your only source of information is from an authority that has been wrong in the past, and gets more and more obviously wrong as we understand more about the world.
@Encryptsan "You have made this claim that this devil exists, but have given no proof for it."
How can you give natural evidences for things that are supernatural? You guys are highly delusional to spiritual matters.
Evolution has no documented evidence sir, the only thing it has as evidence are the carcasses of long dead animals which cant be used to prove anything about life. My source of information and justification is my common sense that which you have not made use of.
@Encryptsan Third countries do not lack knowledge of evolution, they refuse to believe it cos its bollocks, countries that are strong in God are not easily manipulated by the devil, the Western world is so unreligious and becoming a religious person is becoming less popular that's why the devil finds it easy to manipulate the western world through lies. its ironic cos the western world re the uneducated ones, believing you are an animal is a big symptom of lack of education and spiritual sense.
Third world countries must also equally think physics, literacy, mathematics, chemistry, and geography are bollocks because they equally don't learn these things.
It is not "believing you are an animal", it is acknowledging the shared common ancestors which are evident by genetic evidence, along with archaeological evidence.
I can cite you any one of 2 and a half MILLION scientific papers about human evolution. Can you even provide one shred of evidence for creationism?
@Encryptsan Third world countries must also equally think physics, literacy, mathematics, chemistry, and geography are bollocks because they equally don't learn these things.
Stupid defence mechanism, i was talking about the stupid theory of evolution not maths and geography, this things has nothing to do with the stupid believe that humans are animals that evolved from a single celled organism, nice try though but that sucks, stick to what i say dont interpret my words wrongly.
No, what you said was that because the poorest countries don't learn about evolution that they think it's rubbish. To continue with your logic - the exact same applies to every other subject that they don't learn.
The reason is a lack of access to proper education, not some magical agreement with your personal opinions.
@Encryptsan there's no genetic evidence that supports evolution. oh yeah there are millions of evidences for creationism. You yourself are an evidence for creation, all the parts in your body are working in one accord so that you can live and survive. Science cant create any part of the human body, so if science cant even create what they claim to have happened by chance then they really suck!. the complexities of life are evidence for creation, complexities dont just happen.
Humans have synthesized organic and living cells in laboratory conditions. Refer to the Miller–Urey experiment and of course the artifical bacteria created by Craig Venter.
Not only that but we've completely mapped the human genome, and can compare our DNA to other species. We have a perfect map, with things that evolution predicts would be close to us to be much more similarity in the DNA. This has given us a lovely map showing common ancestors.
@Encryptsan What are you talking about? what has the evolution of living things got to do with engineering and computer? i know you are trying to find links connecting evolution to science but dont use lame ones please. And also, if you use the word "design" when talking about evolution you totally contradict evolution cos for a design to exist there must be a designer, just back off from design, leave that to those who agree that every design has a designer, the believers of God.
The application of the iterative, 'blind' trial and error method of mutation and natural selection to engineering and computing has proved that complex and successful things can be produced without design (note the quotation marks I used to show irony).
This negates the need for a designer, just the ability to replicate and mutate, then to select only the most successful.
I'm not saying it's proof of biological evolution, but it is putting the theory into practice.
@Encryptsan The application of the iterative, 'blind' trial and error method of mutation and natural selection to engineering and computing has proved that complex and successful things can be produced without design
I wonder if you read what you said back after writing it, you are trying to impose the false ideology that there can be a design without a designer and that can never happen in nature and life. You cant expect me to believe that there can be a design without a designer.
@Encryptsan vaccines or no vaccines man can still live, in biblical and ancient times people lived for hundreds of years without vaccine, all they used were natural means of curing themselves through natural sources, natural sources are the sources of all the medicine and vaccination used today by science.
I dont have problems with you "predictions" but please dont classify it as fact or truth, keep it as what it is (predictions).
That's funny, because anthropological studies, archaeological evidence, and historical documents have shown that the life expectancy of humans prior to the 18th century was never above 35 years.
In fact we've pretty much tripled our life expectancy in the past century thanks to better hygiene and the scientific method.
Your claim that people lived for hundreds of years is literally unsubstantiated, and a complete fabrication.
@Encryptsan That's funny, because anthropological studies, archaeological evidence, and historical documents have shown that the life expectancy of humans prior to the 18th century was never above 35 years.
That's a very big lie, evidences have shown that in ancient times people lived for more than 100 years old. That ideology that people never lived beyond 35 is totally wrong.
@Encryptsan The realm beyond the physical is the conceptual, or the or the abstract. A symbol's meaning is conceptual, so is the number system.
And who's idea is that? who made up that theory? and what made him come to such conclusions? there's no specific definition for spirituality, it varies from individual experience, spirituality can be said to be The state, quality, manner, or fact of being spiritual. We are spiritual beings, that's why after the body dies, the soul lives forever.
If spirit has no definition then it is a useless concept. You may as well say that a pen is 'spirit', at least you can prove that it exists then.
Even numbers and the meaning of symbols have links back to physical events in the brain. Your spirituality, by your own admission, has no links, thus can have no effect on the real world even if it did exist. It can not be proved, nor can a physical being hope to understand it even if it could be proved.
@Encryptsan Listen, all i have to say to you is: Leave the things of the spirit to those who understand it, the world is waking up to the reality of God and spirituality that's why 95% of the world is religious. The truth is that spirituality is a personal journey and each individual experience differs from another that's why there's no one specific definition for spirituality. But it exists, its beyond explanation.
@TheLogicalThought Lol, Kent is not saying that creation is not religion. He's saying that evolution is ALSO religion as it is a belief system. You are misinterpreting what he's saying.
@jrockzmyv382 You believe in evolution although you,ve not seen it happen before, you believe it happened "Millions of years ago" just cos you,ve seen fossils (which dont prove evolution by the way), that is a belief system, and a belief system is part of religion, you havent seen a fish evolve into man before, yet you believe it cos of one thing or the other. That is a belief system, a belief system is part of religion so therefore evolution is a religion.
@theaccousticaddict Evolution is theory, not a religion, theres a difference. We use theories to explain things we dont fully understand. Unlike religion, science doesnt work with absolutes, it requires lots of thinking and imagination. You might not like the theory of evolution or the big bang, but its the best we got till now and itll stay that way until we find new evidences, laws or better theory. Thats how science work, its neutral, nothing personal, you can still believe whatever you want.
@yujuke Scientifically evolution is a theory, but subliminally, its a religion, you BELIEVE in evolution, you have not seen a fish evolve or leave water to evolve into a frog on land, but yet you believe that "millions of years ago a fish evolved into a frog on land", that is a belief system and a belief system is a religious thing. For evolution not to be a religion or a belief system, we have to see this things happen, saying "It happened millions of years ago.." is a belief system.
It's weird because they are in essence digging their own hole, trying to tell "us" that we are religious too.... SO!? Even if they're right, it doesn't help their argument!
@Cataclysm31 Its pathetic that is the best that they can do. They know science has drilled holes that could hide a fucking mammoth in their "theory", so they have to stupidly call science and evolution a "religion" to try to hide their defeat
for the first scientist we are talking about adaptation and survival especially when it comes to DNA and being logical. Because in the Biggining It requires it to be Created as a whole and given a plan for survival. This was given by an intelligent designer. Ofcourse its gonna have to change for survival, but it was given a solid starting point for it to grow. Now i want you guys to wipe the idea of the image man has given of god. An old man with a massive white beard.
its funny close to the end of this vid he says that a cockroach had a bad design... dont call it a design dipshit because that means somebody made it in other words praise God
"the genes that produces the "teeth" to allow it to break from its egg are separate from the actually teeth making genes"
Didn't say that in the paper.
Regardless...it's a fact that chickens develop the basic structure for teeth in their embryonic stage...it's just that nothing ever happens with it. 1st paragraph, after the summary in the paper I sent you. ;o
So once again, like all evidence you guys show for EVOLUTION, we're working with something preexisting. *yawn*
That's what I said...by a mutation. Chickens already have the tooth gene in the egg. But the tooth falls off and they don't grow anymore afterwards. That's God's design. The switch gets flipped off because He didn't want chicken to have teeth. ;o
It might re-occur through some horrible mutation or deformity as the specimen in the 50's did (which died because of it's mutations).
And they also used rat genes...that was a man made experiment.
Anyways...the scientists that did the experiment summarized that:
"The developmental process of the chicken embryo can act on generic information(the rat genes) to act in a species specific way (rat teeth in the mouth)"
We have yet to see anything that shows a gain of information from nothing. You guys use God's design to try to deny His existence. It's crazy. ;o
God created chickens with a template design that included teeth for the embryo, but OF COURSE, certain switches are turned off because chickens don't normally have teeth as adults. LoL
Chickens can "grow teeth" two ways:
1. Maybe through some mutation that flips the switch on. But the gene was already there...it's part of God's template. ; )
2. Scientists pump generic tooth info into chicken embryos.
How do you know what it does? How do you know 100% that it does nothing?
Fact is that we have never seen ANYTHING like evolution happening. You can talk all the garbage you want about genes and fossils and, etc, etc...goes on and on. Comparisons mean absolutely nothing because they are equally evidence for a common designer.
"...vestigial ostrich wing is not that the ostrich wing lacks any function whatsoever, but that it is a rudimentary wing unused for powered flight, its "proper purpose", as Darwin puts it."
See that up there? That's what I mean. They have a boxed in way of thinking. Everything on this planet has a body which is fine tuned, yeah there are mutations.
But you can't put your interpretations of those mutations as evidence for evolution.
Hahahahaha yes people who are fully rational are the ones with a boxed in way of thinking.
I really do feel sorry for America, though. It is a shame that the populace is so far behind that this is even discussed; you realize that over here in Europe, for most countries this is about as obvious as gravity, right?
The proof for evolution is so substantial you have to be willfully ignorant like planterzs here who dismisses links before he reads them.
If evolution we're true, we would see certain animals that NORMALLY have useless legs, feathers, etc. For example, some marine animal that grows backlegs and feet NORMALLY. Or some reptile with feathers and wings partially developed.
You can't take some rare mutation that we have seen one or two times, call it a leg, and say that proves evolution. THINK.
There is no "fact" that whales have genes to grow legs, or they would be growing legs.
haha I did read the links. It's jsut that I have read everything on talkorigins before. That is a popular site.
But if you just think about what you're believing in...you see it doesn't make sense. You can't draw conclusions like that and call it scientific evidence.
Ask Jesus Christ into your heart. Read you Bible, it will clear your mind. Seriously. Lol
No you haven't read everything there before, because you had never heard anything about how humans have the genes for tails, you're caught in a lie.
You are deliberately skimming it and then just dismissing it, you are being intellectually dishonest.
I'm not interested in Christ, this has nothing to do with him. It has everything to do with reality, and how you and your fellow Creationists try to retard the growth of civilization.
There's nothing on talkorigins that I haven't seen before. If there we're these supposed genes in whales for this, we would be seeing these "legs" quite often.
Those are simply mutations. It's similar to that dolphin - they call those two little stubs on its backend - legs.
Fantastic - so you admit to lying AND plugging your ears when faced with evidence in the same sentence.
That whales have those genes and that humans have those genes are indisputable facts; this is what I was talking about earlier when you refuse to listen to proof.
You will never change your mind on anything, because you are a closed-minded absolutist.
Thank God we have scientists who share ideas and debate them rationally; more people like you and we'd be living in mud huts.
Animals vary, that's part of God's design. We have interbreeding, natural selection, and hereditary differences that show this.
But I wanna see a jellyfish turn into a hamster, a reptile turn into a bird, or some fossils that clearly show this progression. - OR living animals that show this progression as we should see TONS of these.
Yes, and we have seen tons of these, but you've already made up your mind and you are plugging your ears every time you are linked to proof.
What you're *actually* asking for is something like a cat giving birth to a dog, and because you have no clue about how evolution works, you don't realize that if that happened, it would DISPROVE evolution, because that is not at all what it predicts.
Also, it's no more a religion than believing in gravity makes you a follower of its religion.
Oh once again we default to the "you don't understand" crap. No I understand perfectly. You guys are saying natural selection changes build up over time and then MILLIONZ of years later we're supposed to have something completely different. But tell me where do we see that or any evidence of that happening?
Everything I see on this planet is a complete functioning machine. We don't see some marine animal with huge growths with are developing legs, etc.
I sincerely doubt you understand perfectly, because not even the smartest minds we have can claim that. This is a fundamental difference and problem with many theists, you're gnostic and believe in absolute knowledge. There IS no absolute knowledge; only our best approximations, which is why gravity for instance is called a scientific *theory* (the highest achievement in science).
You think that means something? - Saying that I don't understand. Tell me what I don't understand then.
But, there IS absolute knowledge - only for those who wish to see it.
Absolute knowledge is looking at biochemistry, looking at the smallest units that make up all living things, and saying "how the heck did this happen by itself?". Then you open your Bible and see verses that explain what evidence God has given you for his Creation. Romans 1:20 for example.
Yes you can "violate" a theory, theories are redefined all the time when new data suggests it's not entirely correct.
A theory is not unproven in any way shape or form, it is quite the opposite. A scientific theory is the highest possible scientific achievement; they're not facts indeed, they are more complex and they explain how facts work.
Evolution does not deal with the origin of life, that's abiogenesis.
As for the rest, go read about it, evolution is proven by many branches of science.
For all of you who are to stupid to understand, answer this question for me... If Evolution is true, shouldn't there be creatures and humans that are half evolved today? How come we don't see a half man, half monkey walking around?
magnetmantalkstoyou 1 month ago
@magnetmantalkstoyou lmao if you see one, let me know, cuz that would be proof AGAINST evolution, NOT FOR IT.
Casshyr 2 weeks ago
Hovind should have used an academic textbook/journal/book to define science and the scientific method, not a dictionary.
PTurchan1 1 month ago
Yes all three groups all agree but all three groups are wrong...
tiger25692 1 month ago
The algae Chlorella pyrenoidosa was observed to shift from a single celled species to a multi celled species when predators were introduced into it's environment (as a result of a mistake whilst performing another experiment).
The algae formed colonies that were more successful at surviving, and stabilised to become the most successful inhabitants of the artificial environment.
This is a major one because it shows the transition between single cellular and multicellular species.
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Encryptsan 2 months ago
Evolution theory looks like a hollywood film hihi
regalo1979 2 months ago
The fear of the Lord is the BEGINNING of WISDOM. Psalm 111:10
The reason why people can't get to understand the truth.
regalo1979 2 months ago
3 vs. 1? wow! Glory to God! God bless you Kent Hovind!
regalo1979 2 months ago
@regalo1979
An atheist debated four Christians - does that mean that God is not glorious?
PTurchan1 1 month ago
I'm impressed by the creationist. Brilliant!
dreamdaymedia1 6 months ago 2
all of the elements are hydrogen for intance water is oxgen and hydrogen
rjohson 6 months ago
yeahh HOVIND Good debate!!!
BonoBonoify 11 months ago 7
i feel sorry for people who believe in Evolution and its Fraudulent lies ! Those who debate Kent Hovind stand no chance ! No wonder there are over 3000 professors who are shit scared to debate him ! LOL ! I am so glad the truth of the Bible is finally getting told !
wianian 11 months ago
the first scientist is nervous and unsecure... His body language touching his head all the time... LOL...I dont think he would be like this in a normal setting where he only had ignorant kids to talk about evolution theory to but since Hovind just annihilated the evolution theory its hard to come back... Props to Hovind !!
heightboosting 1 year ago
Hovinds destroys their atheist bubble.
whiteliketar 1 year ago
Hovind killed these professors.
akaziboni 1 year ago
@xXsakkelaoXx HE ACTUALLY EXPLAINS
listen main
jesuschristlovesus95 1 year ago
@hapexamendar
we all suffer becouse of what adam and eve did, we must learn to put our faith in god!
he have never promised that life would be a dance on roses, he promised to never leave you
jesuschristlovesus95 1 year ago
GREAT JOB dr.Hovind
levonet33 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict
You are also still not realizing that fossils are not the primary source of evidence. There is also more genetic data than you can poke a stick at and actual observations of rapid evolution in lower forms of life (which reproduce fast).
Scientists *have* been able to recreate evolution, and observe it actually happening.
When a religious person can recreate creation out of nothing then I'll believe it, until then common sense says to believe those who have proof.
Encryptsan 1 year ago 5
@Encryptsan lol
MagnusCattus 5 months ago
@Encryptsan "Scientists have been able to recreate evolution and observe it actually happening.... Um.. Bullshit.
MrSB1274 2 months ago
@MrSB1274
Strains of Flavobacterium that have the ability to digest nylon by-products (which didn't even exist before the 1930s) were first found in 1975 in ponds that had wastewater from nylon plants. Specifically the enzymes they produce are distinct from their ancestors, and flourished in this new environment.
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Encryptsan 2 months ago
@MrSB1274
The Italian wall lizard was introduced to the island of Pod Mrčaru. After several generations (and a war which prevented scientists from reaching the island) researchers returned to find several significant differences in the size and morphology of the lizard population.
Even more surprising the lizard population had developed cecal valves, which were not present in the original species, and allow the lizards to better break down plants found on that island.
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Encryptsan 2 months ago
@MrSB1274
The Faroe Island House Mouse, which was introduced only around 250 years ago, has been observed to have had major morphological changes, including among the several islands themselves.
The populations are distinct and a result of speciation due to differences between islands and differences from their native habitats.
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Encryptsan 2 months ago
@MrSB1274
Finally I shall mention dogs as being a good example.
"if... it could be shown that the greyhound, bloodhound, terrier, spaniel and bull-dog, which we all know propagate their kind truly, were the offspring of any single species, then such facts would have great weight in making us doubt about the immutability of the many closely allied natural species" -Charles Darwin
Funnily enough we know today that all dog species are the result of selective breeding from the Gray Wolf.
Encryptsan 2 months ago
@Encryptsan No they haven't. Where are you getting this information? They tried to recreate evolution and failed horribly.
realoverfake 1 month ago
@realoverfake
My information is from scholarly articles, not books written by people with credentials from diploma mills.
Please see: every example of evolution I have mentioned in the comments section of this video. There are several fairly good examples.
Scientists harness the power of evolution to combat the Flu every year.
Universities use forced evolution in fruit flies as teaching examples for biology students. Such changes are observable over very short time periods.
Encryptsan 1 month ago
@Encryptsan I wouldn't say anything about common sense because clearly you can never throw a grenade and by its explosion create something. Just sayin.
music4jc1 1 month ago
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"clearly you can never throw a grenade and by its explosion create something"
That is correct. I guess it's lucky that no one on earth believes that grenades create things.
Please expand on your point, I don't think you made what you were saying very clear.
Encryptsan 1 month ago
@theaccousticaddict
When your choice is between the impossible, and the improbable common sense says that the improbable explanation is almost definitely correct.
When the choice is "Magic sky man used witchcraft to make the species in 3 days then had a rest" or "random genetic mutations (which we know occur) and natural selection (which we know occurs) gives rise to new species over time according to changing environments" then I'd rather choose the answer that does not offend sensibility.
Encryptsan 1 year ago
You dont understand spirituality, you have knowledge of the natural, but do not have knowledge of things beyond it (The supernatural), these are things science cant tell you cos its beyond their reach. science is the study of the natural not the supernatural, and just cos they cant give explanations for the supernatural does mean that it does not exist. A word is enough for the wise, learn about things before condemning it, and pls stop believing in lies just cos u dont wanna believe in God
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict there is no realistic way to understand the spirit world besides with faith. every single person with faith understands it in their own way. thats why religious beliefs are only a theory.
MrShocktarded 1 year ago
@MrShocktarded Yes, and it is through faith that we commune with our God who is a spiritual God and not physical. Science is the study of the natural not of the supernatural. There's no theories in spirituality, theories are made up ways to try and explain things, in spirituality, something is either true or not, of God or of the devil, there's no theories in it.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict
*You* don't understand the supernatural either because *you* are natural.
Humans are not supernatural, we are completely material.
If you claim to understand non-natural things then you have to prove it, otherwise how could you possibly claim to know the mind of a being who you admit is far more wise, intelligent, powerful, complex, and unknowable than anything else on earth?
Encryptsan 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict
You *still* have not defined spirituality at all. All this rambling and no definition.
If it has an impact on the physical world then it IS measurable and under the dominion of scientific and empirical inquiry. Saying something exists, and has an effect on the world, but is not measurable is a contradictory statement.
Encryptsan 1 year ago
@Encryptsan Do you think you are educated? no sir you are not, you believe you are an animal, that is not education, that is illiteracy, lack of believe and symptoms of western mind control and indoctrination. you are part of a new age movement without knowing and to you you think you are intelligent. As God exists so does the devil, that same devil that made man sin against God in Eden, he still exists today and still specialises in diverting people from God making them sin against him.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict
You have made this claim that this devil exists, but have given no proof for it.
Evolution has more documented evidence than the theory of gravity, but your chronic misunderstanding of it ("you think you are an animal") probably means that you don't consider truth or evidence to be a useful thing.
Your only source of information is from an authority that has been wrong in the past, and gets more and more obviously wrong as we understand more about the world.
Encryptsan 1 year ago
@Encryptsan "You have made this claim that this devil exists, but have given no proof for it."
How can you give natural evidences for things that are supernatural? You guys are highly delusional to spiritual matters.
Evolution has no documented evidence sir, the only thing it has as evidence are the carcasses of long dead animals which cant be used to prove anything about life. My source of information and justification is my common sense that which you have not made use of.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@Encryptsan Third countries do not lack knowledge of evolution, they refuse to believe it cos its bollocks, countries that are strong in God are not easily manipulated by the devil, the Western world is so unreligious and becoming a religious person is becoming less popular that's why the devil finds it easy to manipulate the western world through lies. its ironic cos the western world re the uneducated ones, believing you are an animal is a big symptom of lack of education and spiritual sense.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict
Third world countries must also equally think physics, literacy, mathematics, chemistry, and geography are bollocks because they equally don't learn these things.
It is not "believing you are an animal", it is acknowledging the shared common ancestors which are evident by genetic evidence, along with archaeological evidence.
I can cite you any one of 2 and a half MILLION scientific papers about human evolution. Can you even provide one shred of evidence for creationism?
Encryptsan 1 year ago
@Encryptsan Third world countries must also equally think physics, literacy, mathematics, chemistry, and geography are bollocks because they equally don't learn these things.
Stupid defence mechanism, i was talking about the stupid theory of evolution not maths and geography, this things has nothing to do with the stupid believe that humans are animals that evolved from a single celled organism, nice try though but that sucks, stick to what i say dont interpret my words wrongly.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict
No, what you said was that because the poorest countries don't learn about evolution that they think it's rubbish. To continue with your logic - the exact same applies to every other subject that they don't learn.
The reason is a lack of access to proper education, not some magical agreement with your personal opinions.
Encryptsan 1 year ago
@Encryptsan there's no genetic evidence that supports evolution. oh yeah there are millions of evidences for creationism. You yourself are an evidence for creation, all the parts in your body are working in one accord so that you can live and survive. Science cant create any part of the human body, so if science cant even create what they claim to have happened by chance then they really suck!. the complexities of life are evidence for creation, complexities dont just happen.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict
Humans have synthesized organic and living cells in laboratory conditions. Refer to the Miller–Urey experiment and of course the artifical bacteria created by Craig Venter.
Not only that but we've completely mapped the human genome, and can compare our DNA to other species. We have a perfect map, with things that evolution predicts would be close to us to be much more similarity in the DNA. This has given us a lovely map showing common ancestors.
Encryptsan 1 year ago
@Encryptsan What are you talking about? what has the evolution of living things got to do with engineering and computer? i know you are trying to find links connecting evolution to science but dont use lame ones please. And also, if you use the word "design" when talking about evolution you totally contradict evolution cos for a design to exist there must be a designer, just back off from design, leave that to those who agree that every design has a designer, the believers of God.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict
The application of the iterative, 'blind' trial and error method of mutation and natural selection to engineering and computing has proved that complex and successful things can be produced without design (note the quotation marks I used to show irony).
This negates the need for a designer, just the ability to replicate and mutate, then to select only the most successful.
I'm not saying it's proof of biological evolution, but it is putting the theory into practice.
Encryptsan 1 year ago
@Encryptsan The application of the iterative, 'blind' trial and error method of mutation and natural selection to engineering and computing has proved that complex and successful things can be produced without design
I wonder if you read what you said back after writing it, you are trying to impose the false ideology that there can be a design without a designer and that can never happen in nature and life. You cant expect me to believe that there can be a design without a designer.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict
I can't expect you to believe it, but it certainly is happening in various fields of study.
All you need is mutation, replication, and selection.
Coincidentally, those 3 things occur in the wild as well, with DNA, reproduction, and natural selection.
So we know that the theory works, as is evidenced by computing and engineering, and we know that the elements are in nature. Need I say more?
Encryptsan 1 year ago
@Encryptsan vaccines or no vaccines man can still live, in biblical and ancient times people lived for hundreds of years without vaccine, all they used were natural means of curing themselves through natural sources, natural sources are the sources of all the medicine and vaccination used today by science.
I dont have problems with you "predictions" but please dont classify it as fact or truth, keep it as what it is (predictions).
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict
That's funny, because anthropological studies, archaeological evidence, and historical documents have shown that the life expectancy of humans prior to the 18th century was never above 35 years.
In fact we've pretty much tripled our life expectancy in the past century thanks to better hygiene and the scientific method.
Your claim that people lived for hundreds of years is literally unsubstantiated, and a complete fabrication.
Encryptsan 1 year ago
@Encryptsan That's funny, because anthropological studies, archaeological evidence, and historical documents have shown that the life expectancy of humans prior to the 18th century was never above 35 years.
That's a very big lie, evidences have shown that in ancient times people lived for more than 100 years old. That ideology that people never lived beyond 35 is totally wrong.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@Encryptsan The realm beyond the physical is the conceptual, or the or the abstract. A symbol's meaning is conceptual, so is the number system.
And who's idea is that? who made up that theory? and what made him come to such conclusions? there's no specific definition for spirituality, it varies from individual experience, spirituality can be said to be The state, quality, manner, or fact of being spiritual. We are spiritual beings, that's why after the body dies, the soul lives forever.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict
If spirit has no definition then it is a useless concept. You may as well say that a pen is 'spirit', at least you can prove that it exists then.
Even numbers and the meaning of symbols have links back to physical events in the brain. Your spirituality, by your own admission, has no links, thus can have no effect on the real world even if it did exist. It can not be proved, nor can a physical being hope to understand it even if it could be proved.
Encryptsan 1 year ago
@Encryptsan Listen, all i have to say to you is: Leave the things of the spirit to those who understand it, the world is waking up to the reality of God and spirituality that's why 95% of the world is religious. The truth is that spirituality is a personal journey and each individual experience differs from another that's why there's no one specific definition for spirituality. But it exists, its beyond explanation.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@TheLogicalThought Lol, Kent is not saying that creation is not religion. He's saying that evolution is ALSO religion as it is a belief system. You are misinterpreting what he's saying.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict
Evolution is not a religion. Where do you get that idea?
jrockzmyv382 1 year ago
@jrockzmyv382 You believe in evolution although you,ve not seen it happen before, you believe it happened "Millions of years ago" just cos you,ve seen fossils (which dont prove evolution by the way), that is a belief system, and a belief system is part of religion, you havent seen a fish evolve into man before, yet you believe it cos of one thing or the other. That is a belief system, a belief system is part of religion so therefore evolution is a religion.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict Evolution is theory, not a religion, theres a difference. We use theories to explain things we dont fully understand. Unlike religion, science doesnt work with absolutes, it requires lots of thinking and imagination. You might not like the theory of evolution or the big bang, but its the best we got till now and itll stay that way until we find new evidences, laws or better theory. Thats how science work, its neutral, nothing personal, you can still believe whatever you want.
yujuke 1 year ago
@yujuke Scientifically evolution is a theory, but subliminally, its a religion, you BELIEVE in evolution, you have not seen a fish evolve or leave water to evolve into a frog on land, but yet you believe that "millions of years ago a fish evolved into a frog on land", that is a belief system and a belief system is a religious thing. For evolution not to be a religion or a belief system, we have to see this things happen, saying "It happened millions of years ago.." is a belief system.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
Kent...We CAN fuse atoms beyond Iron. How do we else have the synthetic elements which are all higher elements than iron!
WoodyWeedPecker 1 year ago
@Korkzor very well put. nice job. I may end up using that argument at some point, hope you dont mind.
TheLogicalThought 1 year ago
@TheLogicalThought
Its the common argument...
It's weird because they are in essence digging their own hole, trying to tell "us" that we are religious too.... SO!? Even if they're right, it doesn't help their argument!
Cataclysm31 1 year ago
@Cataclysm31 Its pathetic that is the best that they can do. They know science has drilled holes that could hide a fucking mammoth in their "theory", so they have to stupidly call science and evolution a "religion" to try to hide their defeat
TheLogicalThought 1 year ago
for the first scientist we are talking about adaptation and survival especially when it comes to DNA and being logical. Because in the Biggining It requires it to be Created as a whole and given a plan for survival. This was given by an intelligent designer. Ofcourse its gonna have to change for survival, but it was given a solid starting point for it to grow. Now i want you guys to wipe the idea of the image man has given of god. An old man with a massive white beard.
Danielfallz 1 year ago
Evolution from a complex chemical soup to a living organism is very slow. Kent says, sure is don't even happen thats how slow it is. Great upload.
ofreshartist 1 year ago
this biologist has a really weird voice...
theREALiceveela 1 year ago
its funny close to the end of this vid he says that a cockroach had a bad design... dont call it a design dipshit because that means somebody made it in other words praise God
MrZannkimaru 2 years ago
He makes himself look like a smartass but funny enough he didn't hire an evolutionary expert or someone like Richard Dawkins to debate him about it.
It's like debating politics with a make-up artist.
AyeYirMa 2 years ago
@rationalanarchy
"the genes that produces the "teeth" to allow it to break from its egg are separate from the actually teeth making genes"
Didn't say that in the paper.
Regardless...it's a fact that chickens develop the basic structure for teeth in their embryonic stage...it's just that nothing ever happens with it. 1st paragraph, after the summary in the paper I sent you. ;o
So once again, like all evidence you guys show for EVOLUTION, we're working with something preexisting. *yawn*
planterzs 2 years ago
@rationalanarchy
That's EXACTLY the paper I sent you. LOL
Read it.
planterzs 2 years ago
@rationalanarchy
So bottom line, what does this prove? All specimens only "grew teeth" in the embryonic stages.
One through horrible deformities of existing gene code, and the other through injected rat genes. ;o
What am I missing?
planterzs 2 years ago
@rationalanarchy
That's what I said...by a mutation. Chickens already have the tooth gene in the egg. But the tooth falls off and they don't grow anymore afterwards. That's God's design. The switch gets flipped off because He didn't want chicken to have teeth. ;o
It might re-occur through some horrible mutation or deformity as the specimen in the 50's did (which died because of it's mutations).
And they also used rat genes...that was a man made experiment.
planterzs 2 years ago
@rationalanarchy
what the...my 1st comment disappeared.
Anyways...the scientists that did the experiment summarized that:
"The developmental process of the chicken embryo can act on generic information(the rat genes) to act in a species specific way (rat teeth in the mouth)"
We have yet to see anything that shows a gain of information from nothing. You guys use God's design to try to deny His existence. It's crazy. ;o
planterzs 2 years ago
@rationalanarchy
So to summarize:
God created chickens with a template design that included teeth for the embryo, but OF COURSE, certain switches are turned off because chickens don't normally have teeth as adults. LoL
Chickens can "grow teeth" two ways:
1. Maybe through some mutation that flips the switch on. But the gene was already there...it's part of God's template. ; )
2. Scientists pump generic tooth info into chicken embryos.
This proves creation dude.
planterzs 2 years ago
@rationalanarchy
How do you know what it does? How do you know 100% that it does nothing?
Fact is that we have never seen ANYTHING like evolution happening. You can talk all the garbage you want about genes and fossils and, etc, etc...goes on and on. Comparisons mean absolutely nothing because they are equally evidence for a common designer.
planterzs 2 years ago
What's next after that? Well, Linguistics is a good choice, I mean, the Bible clearly states that languages are from the Tower of Babel.
Let's not forget mathematics, since pi is 3 in the Bible, let's burn those heathen books.
Wonder how many more we'll have to burn before you realize that reality doesn't conform to the Bible, it's the other way around.
PaonSol 2 years ago
"...vestigial ostrich wing is not that the ostrich wing lacks any function whatsoever, but that it is a rudimentary wing unused for powered flight, its "proper purpose", as Darwin puts it."
See that up there? That's what I mean. They have a boxed in way of thinking. Everything on this planet has a body which is fine tuned, yeah there are mutations.
But you can't put your interpretations of those mutations as evidence for evolution.
BobH1337 2 years ago
Hahahahaha yes people who are fully rational are the ones with a boxed in way of thinking.
I really do feel sorry for America, though. It is a shame that the populace is so far behind that this is even discussed; you realize that over here in Europe, for most countries this is about as obvious as gravity, right?
The proof for evolution is so substantial you have to be willfully ignorant like planterzs here who dismisses links before he reads them.
PaonSol 2 years ago
If evolution we're true, we would see certain animals that NORMALLY have useless legs, feathers, etc. For example, some marine animal that grows backlegs and feet NORMALLY. Or some reptile with feathers and wings partially developed.
You can't take some rare mutation that we have seen one or two times, call it a leg, and say that proves evolution. THINK.
There is no "fact" that whales have genes to grow legs, or they would be growing legs.
planterzs 2 years ago
haha I did read the links. It's jsut that I have read everything on talkorigins before. That is a popular site.
But if you just think about what you're believing in...you see it doesn't make sense. You can't draw conclusions like that and call it scientific evidence.
Ask Jesus Christ into your heart. Read you Bible, it will clear your mind. Seriously. Lol
planterzs 2 years ago
No you haven't read everything there before, because you had never heard anything about how humans have the genes for tails, you're caught in a lie.
You are deliberately skimming it and then just dismissing it, you are being intellectually dishonest.
I'm not interested in Christ, this has nothing to do with him. It has everything to do with reality, and how you and your fellow Creationists try to retard the growth of civilization.
PaonSol 2 years ago
wrong account, but yeah. That's what I mean. We don't see an animal that naturally have useless limbs, etc. Those are MUTATIONS....simple!
We have these freakish things happening in the world because of the fall of man. In the beggining, the world was perfect.
See the different conclusions we can draw from the same mutations? ;o
planterzs 2 years ago
By "lame" connections you of course mean half the sciences we have.
I wonder, though.
Evolution is on the agenda, so we can throw Biology out. What science are you going for next?
Geology directly contradicts that the Earth is only 6000-years-old, so that would be an obvious choice. Let's throw that out too.
Next we have astronomy which also contradicts that the Earth is only 6000-years-old, begone textbook of Satan.
PaonSol 2 years ago
There's nothing on talkorigins that I haven't seen before. If there we're these supposed genes in whales for this, we would be seeing these "legs" quite often.
Those are simply mutations. It's similar to that dolphin - they call those two little stubs on its backend - legs.
planterzs 2 years ago
Fantastic - so you admit to lying AND plugging your ears when faced with evidence in the same sentence.
That whales have those genes and that humans have those genes are indisputable facts; this is what I was talking about earlier when you refuse to listen to proof.
You will never change your mind on anything, because you are a closed-minded absolutist.
Thank God we have scientists who share ideas and debate them rationally; more people like you and we'd be living in mud huts.
PaonSol 2 years ago
why do evolutionists think reproduction and natural selection proves evolution?
planterzs 2 years ago
First of all, "evolutionist" makes as much sense as "gravitationalist."
Second, it proves evolution just fine, we have observed speciation countless times and we find new evidence all the time.
PaonSol 2 years ago
It's a religion. Evolutionist fits just fine.
Animals vary, that's part of God's design. We have interbreeding, natural selection, and hereditary differences that show this.
But I wanna see a jellyfish turn into a hamster, a reptile turn into a bird, or some fossils that clearly show this progression. - OR living animals that show this progression as we should see TONS of these.
planterzs 2 years ago
Yes, and we have seen tons of these, but you've already made up your mind and you are plugging your ears every time you are linked to proof.
What you're *actually* asking for is something like a cat giving birth to a dog, and because you have no clue about how evolution works, you don't realize that if that happened, it would DISPROVE evolution, because that is not at all what it predicts.
Also, it's no more a religion than believing in gravity makes you a follower of its religion.
PaonSol 2 years ago
Oh once again we default to the "you don't understand" crap. No I understand perfectly. You guys are saying natural selection changes build up over time and then MILLIONZ of years later we're supposed to have something completely different. But tell me where do we see that or any evidence of that happening?
Everything I see on this planet is a complete functioning machine. We don't see some marine animal with huge growths with are developing legs, etc.
planterzs 2 years ago
typo
*which are developing legs, etc.
planterzs 2 years ago
I sincerely doubt you understand perfectly, because not even the smartest minds we have can claim that. This is a fundamental difference and problem with many theists, you're gnostic and believe in absolute knowledge. There IS no absolute knowledge; only our best approximations, which is why gravity for instance is called a scientific *theory* (the highest achievement in science).
PaonSol 2 years ago
You think that means something? - Saying that I don't understand. Tell me what I don't understand then.
But, there IS absolute knowledge - only for those who wish to see it.
Absolute knowledge is looking at biochemistry, looking at the smallest units that make up all living things, and saying "how the heck did this happen by itself?". Then you open your Bible and see verses that explain what evidence God has given you for his Creation. Romans 1:20 for example.
planterzs 2 years ago
Can you truly violate a theory? Is a theory simply an unproven view point, religion in this case? Theories are not facts!
How did life; the plants, animals, and man arise on this beautiful earth according to the evolutionary theory?
and
What anatomy shows evolution, the evolutionary theory?
What geography shows evolution, the evolutionary theory?
What physiology (who's physiology) shows evolution, the evolutionary theory?
What biology shows evolution, the evolutionary theory?
Thnaks
sopobiker 2 years ago
Yes you can "violate" a theory, theories are redefined all the time when new data suggests it's not entirely correct.
A theory is not unproven in any way shape or form, it is quite the opposite. A scientific theory is the highest possible scientific achievement; they're not facts indeed, they are more complex and they explain how facts work.
Evolution does not deal with the origin of life, that's abiogenesis.
As for the rest, go read about it, evolution is proven by many branches of science.
PaonSol 2 years ago
Science = knowledge gained by observation and demonstrable testing.
Evolution = animals arose from non-animals and plants arose from non-plant, common ancestry.
What science shows evolution?
sopobiker 2 years ago
A debate of three diluted children and one wise man.
Evolution = fictional story with no end of time
Creation = True story with an end of time
Find the Truth and save your soul! Repent! The last days are here.
sopobiker 2 years ago
the evolution's argument was so weak
Matthew23and9 2 years ago
Creation = Logic
Evolution = the twisting of the fallen human mind to escape being accountable to the creator.
9pt9 3 years ago
creation creation creation
wilstarmbel 3 years ago 6
Unlocking the Mystery of life 1-7 about DNA.
jesusLostChildren777 3 years ago