Close Guantanamo now - demo in London (part 2)

[donnyab1]

I say NEVER CLOSE GITMO, AS THEY ARE HOLDING SOME OF THE WORSE CRIMMINALS THAT I CAN CONCEIVE OF. EVERY TIME WE RELEASE ONE THAT PERSON ENDS UP GOING BACK TO THE TERRIOST ORGINIZATION THEY ORGINALLY BELONGED TO, AND EITHER KILLING OR INJURING EVEN MORE PEOPLE. WHAT A WASTE OF JUSTICE, AS PERSONALLY I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HOLD ONE BIG TRIAL AND SEND THEM ALL TO PRISON FOR THE REST OF THEIR NATURAL LIVES. THEY ARE NOT PEOPLE BUT ANIMALS WHO HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO REGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE.

[strongsean1000]

What the fuck is wrong with people. If it was up to me all the terrorist captured would be interrogated and put to death afterwards. People dont understand that the U.S. goverment puts these people in Guantanamo for a reason. Anyone who protest outside Washington for this matter is a stupid fucking bleeding heart liberal. What a disgrace. Who gives a shit about all these terrorist who hate America.

[antiamerican41]

obama lied when he said he would close Guantanamo Bay

[karatekla]

There are an 800 guantanamo camps waiting out there in the USA. The FEMA CAMPS. :-(

[dusty8512]

There is a big difference between an enemy combatent who is captured help as a POW and an ordinary criminal.

[beyzasmum]

respect to anyone who protests against tyranny and injustice!power to you guys, thank you you open the eyes of the ignorant and those who support a mediaval judicial system!peace for all mankind!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mia072]

those guys look super stupid lol

[jajajajajajaja11]

ME KNOW close it send them all here on full beniffits and a house

LET USA SORT IT ...BET SOME BIG BOMB GOES OFF SOON AFTER ITS CLOSED. AND WHY ARE THEY ALL BLACK NOT SEEN ONE WHITE YET ....

[NABILOFITCH]

If u want peace you should prepare for war .the world need a 3rd war it' will be in 2012 for sure after another facke teroriste attac and the next one would be nuclear that's way fema coffin are every where

[sharkyda1]

i reckon its even worse dan dat

[SGESupporter92]

Stop Guantanamo!

[noliberals123]

They absolutely need to keep Guantanomo open. Activists are annoying.

[venushalley]

yeah, so go and have a good time. It's just a collateral damage, when it happens abroad, right? Who cares it happens to your allies, right?

[Natdaprat]

Go into Gitmo for 2 years, come out and say the same thing.

[suckitandc]

i love cing dem suffer in Guantanomo Bay we need 1 of dem near da uk

[0900786012]

fuck u asshole. You bastards thrive on our oil aid.

[bertiethetoupee4]

Oh my God! I can't believe anyone can POSSIBLY agree with Guantanomo Bay! People have their rights stripped away, they are horribly mistreated. If we allow institutions like Gitmo then we make a laughing stock of Human Rights. Try and learn something about what's actually going on!

[Mann1979HH]

If everybody was as anti-social and anti-democratic, this planet would be hell! Don't you get it crimes like the existence of Gitmo only aggravate people an cause more crime and more terrosm and more insecurity, you arrogant ignoramus!

[nmeboy18]

Gitmo is wrong, I agree. Closing it, however, would not make the Jihadists rethink their efforts in the destruction of "infidels." If we close it, it should be for moral reasons, but we have to accept that it won't affect how we are treated.

[Mann1979HH]

The pure fact that gitmo is outside the USA says it all. If it was inside the USA, the would have to stick to their own rules. Gitmo is nothing but a crime, and everybody knows it. That reminds me of the song "I am an asshole".

[ermineermine]

MANN1979HH:

> that gitmo is outside the USA says it all

I

Indeed, it says a lot, but not 'all'--certainly not your SIMPLISTIC CHARACTERISATIONS.

The choice of location is certainly not random--there are reasons you would understand only if you have the intellectual capacity to be both informed and resistant to breaking it all down into lines suited for blogs, demonstration signs and rally chants.

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[ermineermine]

1 SIMPLISTIC characterisation does not mean the matter is SIMPLE to begin with.

(On the contrary, the former is the clutch of the INTELLECTUALLY-HANDICAPPED and the INTELLECTUALLY-INDOLENT.)

2 What the reflexes of the intellectually-handicapped and intellectually-indolent label as SINISTER is often simply COMPLICATED-BUT-INNOCUOUS ...

even a COMPLICATED METHOD OF HANDLING THE SINISTER.

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[ermineermine]

II

THINK: if war were officially declared between America and another sovereign country, would any of the latter's uniformed fighters find themselves in Guantanamo?

And therein lies the answer: Guantanamo holds two kinds

1 fighters of foreign nationality who do not belong to the army of a country; and

2 American citizens who fought against the government of their own country, alongside those in '1' above.

Have you the capacity to comprehend at least this point?

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[ermineermine]

III-A

Temper the urge to mouth 'Geneva Conventions' and 'international law' unless you know enough about them to not commit the same mistake in 'I' above.

FACT: Matters covered by law between nations are not of the type handled by domestic courts--why else did you think there was a need for international law to begin with? why else did you think sovereign countries needed to come together to agree on rules governing their own conduct towards each other?

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[ermineermine]

III-B on II-2

It can be coherently argued that someone fighting against his own country's government and on behalf of another foreign body is simply committing TREASON--thus should be charged of that before a domestic court, if not a military tribunal.

This is one view among several which make sense. Which still does not mean that other views also have as much merit.

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[ermineermine]

III-C on II-1

However, the same cannot be said of those belonging to II-1--

1 not when they do not belong to any country's armed forces;

(Just because you are a Saudi fighting in Afghanistan supported by Pakistani intelligence agents does not mean you belong to the armed forces of Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan or Pakistan.)

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[ermineermine]

2 not when the war they themselves declare/acknowledge they are fighting is not yet over;

(A common criminal mugging a Westerner on the streets of Hanoi, even if the victim subsequently turns out to be a US soldier, does not become a Vietnamese Army Fighter, nor gets sent to Guantanamo.)

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[ermineermine]

3 not when their own countries will not even take them back;

(FACT I: Countries which these people come from did not send them to places where they were subsequently found--they are individuals acting on their own accord and now facing the consequences of their individual actions.

(Thus nothing in what they do necessarily puts another country on any legal standing vis-a-vis America under international law.

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[ermineermine]

(FACT II: Countries which these people come from are themselves not immune to these people's addiction to toppling governments and killing everyone serving it--why would the Saudi, Yemeni, Pakistani or Chinese governments want within their borders someone who wants to topple them, too?

(Do you see many countries apart from the UK and Australia wanting their citizens back? Do you seriously believe that even these two countries' governments believe in these people's innocence?)

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[ermineermine]

IV-A LOOK BEFORE YOU SWALLOW

The matter of whether torture is indeed employed in Guantanamo deserves EXAMINATION.

REALITY CHECK: The mere fact that a detainee--of the type which would find himself there to begin with--SAYS it was done to him is no reason for the rest of us to SWALLOW HIS STORY HOOK, LINE AND SINKER.

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[ermineermine]

IV-B CHOOSE WHOM YOU PARROT

And one who hails from a country where it is accepted, if not widespread, especially one who fought for a group which zealously employed it against anyone they could get their hands on, has even less credibility.

A cop-killer shouting 'Police Brutality!' because he finds his handcuffs uncomfortable gets even less sympathy than The Boy Who Cried Wolf, and is no Rodney King.