Weaponized Medieval Wrestling: the Dagger

[DahrvichKnighT]

That's the kind of music medieval folk listened to the most.

[Abraleo]

Muy buen video, me gustó / Very good video, I like it.

[amritatva]

In my experience, these techniques are best done after applying some kind of quick inital attack to open the way. The opening parry is always used together with an attack to the upper body or the limb, allowing you to flow into the joint manipulation if things are going well, and back out of it if things aren't going smoothly. Sensitiviety counts, and strategy in entering.

[bidibum]

But the application? Are those technique possibles? They seems too affected.

[ArmeAntica]

@bidibum, of course they are possible. Most of the sequences in this video use a Principle of fighting called Pain Compliance, that is distracting your adversary by putting him in pain so that you can transition from one step to the next. Most of the leverages above are very painful and damaging for the shoulder. Pain compliance and destroying his form make it so he does not want to fight back. He has a lot on his mind! : )

Remember. Technique happens. It is not done. The video shows study.

[bidibum]

@ArmeAntica I've asked you 'cause I think that if you partner had continued the stabs you'll lose the arm 9/10, the first step, grab the wirst, is really, reeeeeally difficult already with the punch, I don't mind with a knife!

[ArmeAntica]

@bidibum, my arm isn't in line with the dagger, so he would not get me.  If he gets you 9/10, then your entire approach to what you are doing is wrong. I practice full-speed fighting with free attacks with my advanced students, so I know. They don't get me. ; )

Grabbing a punch isn't a good idea, generally. You can take his arm easily after you make forearm to forearm or wrist to wrist contact, but it is best to follow and synchronize with him instead of "grabbing" and resisting/fighting him.

[bidibum]

@ArmeAntica ok, I'm searching for in your channel; there's interesting vids, great job! Thanks for answers, tunr a blind about my donkey english xD

[MacUladh]

Not a bad demo. BUT WEAPONIZED IS NOT A WORD. LOL

[ArmeAntica]

@MacUladh, FROM THE MERRIAM-WEBSTER DICTIONARY:

"Weaponize: to adapt for use as a weapon of war"

It's a short trip from smart ass to dumb ass.

[MacUladh]

@ArmeAntica You got me there. It is a word. YOu just used it improperly. Still a good video.

[ArmeAntica]

@MacUladh, Glad you like the video, but I am using the word in the correct way.

Not only do I use it with the general sense behind its creation (which was 1957, in biological warfare, i.e. turning something deadly into something even deadlier), as these levers can rip your shoulder out by themselves and now you can do it while cutting and killing as the adversary is incapacitated;

but I also use it in the literal sense: taking something that didn't have a weapon and putting one on it.

[worldworks]

@ArmeAntica

He's not stupid it's just that people do not realize that empty hand martial arts techniques of every style and origin were developed from weapon's techniques.

[ArmeAntica]

@worldworks, I never said he was stupid. Mine was only a play on words because he was overly-confident and a little too arrogant about it, that's all. That's what fighting is about. ; ) He pushes, you let him fall down.

Also, there are certainly examples of martial systems that came from weapon fighting but to say that every unarmed style developed from weapon fighting seems an exaggeration. I think we likely pushed each other around before we grabbed a rock and bashed someone's head in.

[amritatva]

I've been training and teaching these EXACT SAME techniques for 15 years. It is identical to some styles of Pencak Silat. Are these illustrated in an old manual somewhere????

[ArmeAntica]

@amritatva, yeah, I felt the same way when I first picked up a copy of the Flos Duellatorum, the most famous Italian fight book (I studied in the Bujinkan, medieval samurai styles mostly, for years at the time). I was blown away when I recognized technique after technique, page after page.

These Keys, upper, middle, and lower, are specifically in the Flos but you find them everywhere in medieval fighting manuals. What I did here were freeform knife-holding variations upon those themes.

[amritatva]

@ArmeAntica Well, it's good to see. I appreciate those of you who are putting in the time to research and encourage a renaissance for historical, authentic WMA- wish I'd started doing it myself years ago.

Your quarterstaff work is excellent, by the way. But the music for this video....

[jettarulz]

I wish I had 1/2 knife fighting takedowns etc. MOnty you are the man:)

[FringeScience94]

Belle tecniche...ma non puoi andare in giro per strada con una Daga!

[ArmeAntica]

@FringeScience94, la tua osservazione mi sembra scontata.

La vera abilita' di difendersi non dipende dalla necessita' di avere delle armi con se'. L'allenamento deve includere tutti gli aspetti della difesa personale per raggiungere tale fine. Questo include sia la pratica con le armi sia contro le armi perche' vanno insieme. Pensare altrimenti e' illusorio. Non si puo' capire l'arma senza sapere usarla (e vice-versa). Il beneficio non risiede nelle "tecniche".

[FringeScience94]

@ArmeAntica scusa la risposta in ritardo..... anch'io sono convinto che per sapersi difendere da un'arma bisogna prima saperla padroneggiare e difatti nella mia arte marziale è incluso anche lo studio del coltello prima di approdare alla difesa. Comunque rinnovo i miei complimenti!

[ArmeAntica]

@FringeScience94, nessun problema. Quale arte pratichi? E' sempre interessante sapere in quale arti si trovano delle similarita'.

[FringeScience94]

@ArmeAntica Pratico Wado Ryu. Uno stile che fonde lo Shindo Yoshin Ryu Jujitsu e il karate di Okinawa. La difesa da coltello è uno dei campi di studio di pertinenza del jujitsu.

[ArmeAntica]

@FringeScience94, ah, si. Interessante.  Ho sentito dello stile, visto svariate volte dojo di Wado Ryu anche qui a Roma. Buon allenamento!

[spearthrowin]

superb!

you guys produce some of the best wma work I have seen

[Flow1987]

nice stuff man

[taitungknight]

Seriously scary stuff!

I'd love to learn. Only in Europe, I suppose?

[shulom1]

Hey is there instructional DVDs, or books for this? I'd rather learn European arts( being I am of European descent) than Asian arts( though no disrespect but we need to keep our martial arts alive too). thanx and nice work!

[cerkuenik]

Great moves, I just didn´t like the song!

[ArmeAntica]

LOL, thanks. I hear that at times about the music I choose...you can't win them all. : ) This is from Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star...I was shooting for the Epic Martial-Art-ness of that source.

[82gil82]

That was great,would love to see more free-form.

[Djemps]

Gotta love the upper Key! P.S. How's your translation of Mair's Sickle plates going? It looks like the Sickle uses many of the same concepts as the dagger. It might be a good companion weapon to train at the same time.

[ArmeAntica]

Hello! The sickle translation's been done for a while...but my students have these new messers and they just don't want to put them down! I can't blame them--I just got my new messer from Fabbri Armorum a few days ago and all I want to do is go through all of Mair's dusack plays one after another. ; )

You know, I see a lot of similarities in Mair all over the place. I've been compounding the dagger and messer work recently, but the sickle would work well, too, I think. All one-handers.