dont know where you got the notion that your upload is 100% accurate.i think you need to study our history a little more thoroughly..here are a couple of examples!! no mention of election that gave approval by a margin of 85% approval of treaty.this was not accepted anti treaty leaders thus civil war.. collins was not shot by ricochet .
There is no Irish republic until the whole island is free as specified in the proclamation of the Irish republic and read out by pearse on the steps of the gpo 94 years ago so until then u are flying the wrong flag and using the wrong name. A derrybhoy
@jdxv7.....so right you are. The Free Staters led by Collins divided this island and left the North to the mercy of autonomous British forces and blood-thirsty Unionist gangs and militias. It should have been complete freedom or nothing at all...,it was dreadful act of betrayal by Collins to sign such a flawed Treaty and abandon the ideals of the 1916 Proclamation. Tíocfaidh ár lá....from a Kerry republican.
I thought you said it was 100% historically accurate. De Valera went to London in 1921 to set the foundations for later talks. Not 1922 as you've stated. There is no historical evidence saying Churchill wanted to "re-invade" Ireland. Chruchill was sympathetic to the Unionists and was allowing to hear Carson's approach. And to say that Collins did what was best for Ireland is not historically accurate and can be deemed biased.
I expected better from this video. Also Grammar is poor.
@daver852 cathal brugha? he was a joke. he allowed his vanity and jealousy of collins get the better of him. and partition had been agreed on prior to the treaty.
Rory, you have been watching too many Neil Jordan movies. "Partition had been agreed upon prior to the treaty." Agreed upon by whom? Not the Irish government.
Brugha was not "jealous" of Collins. He was angry with him, first for subverting his authority as Minister of Defense, and secondly for negotiating a treaty that he regarded as a betrayal of the Irish people. Read the debates in the Dail -they're available online. By any standard, Brugha was a far better man than Collins.
@daver852 most historians could tell you brugha had a certain level of envy of collins which often clouded his judgement. not only had partition been agree upon but it was in effect. NI had separate home rule since gov. of ireland act 1920. also dev drew up his own treaty which included partition but not the oath. so there you have it.
Dev Knew what he was doing by sending Collins and Co, he knew they would get what he was offered, so, in reality, he set them up, knowing a civil war would start.
what have we now?. LISBON TREATY!!!. is that what our forefathers and mothers died for?.
@rory198, our ANTI TREATY forefathers would be turning in there graves with what is happening today in Ireland, now we have SF with another treaty, GOD BLESS ALL ANTI TREATY PEOPLE.
The Irish Civil War was one of the many conflicts that followed in the wake of the First World War. By the standards of the 'Great War' it was very small indeed; roughly 3,000 deaths were inflicted over a period of eleven months, probably less than the average casualties suffered on the Western Front during a quiet week At the same time,a very tragic time in Ireland...
That "were all out of bullets" excuse is a load of shite. The war of independence was growing more successful and efficient as each day went on. Right before the truce a shipload of thompson m1 sub machine guns were on the way in, guns america used as one of there first choice weapons a whole 20 years later.
Its a pity the video gets it wrong, as such there was no oath of loyalty to thr british monarch, the pledge of allegancedid not appear only a pledge to be faithful to the king as part of the a common citizenship of the Commonwealth
yes, pledge to the king = pledge to the monarch, another symbolic reason the IRA did not accept the treaty. Dev eventually accepted it but put the bible to one side. check it up and youll see a chara.
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I am sad to announce the DEATH of IRISH NATIONALISM,INDEPENDENCE AND SOVEREIGNTY at the age of 87 YEARS. Due to terminal Lisbon Treatyism and of humiliation of being told for a 2ND time that in a referendum the Irish people got it WRONG YET AGAIN. A coffin with a copy of the Irish Constitution should be buried at the same time as the signing of the Lisbon Treaty. Is there NO SHAME,people died for what the politicians are giving away. SOVEREIGNTY is like VIRGINITY once its gone its gone
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if de valera was so upset at the collins treaty why did he live his life between the years of 1922-1975 in a divided ireland,a fraud and a british puppet if you ask me.
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Kevin O Higgins got every thing he deserved. Never under any circumstance accepted partition. all we did was set up two sectarian states one Catholic and the other a Protestant state for Protestant people
i downloaded that from piratebay, i forget the name of the actual album but if you type in ''irish rebel songs'' i think its in one of them. I dont know if you can get it on CD. I wish i could be more specific :( glad you liked the video ;)
actualy, micheal had plans for an invasion of NI, and had orderd a firebomb campaign in NI, and assasinated Gen. henry wilson, and had armed the northern IRA. Dont worry, the IRA continues today and is rapidly riseing. Wont be much longer now and we will be free, brits and shinners out!!!!
that is true micheal did have plan to take back ireland the reason he did sign the tready was so he would have a large army to invade NI.but then he was killed by some of r one from cork...
the shinners today have NOTHING to do with the Sinn fein of back then. If anyone has legitmate claim over the title of sinn fein, its Republican Sinn Fein, not the sinn fein lead by well known informer martin mcGuiness, and gerry ''i wanna be abrit'' adams
But you defend Michael Collins for giving his support for partition and you point the finger at McGuinness and Adams. Can you not see thats hypocritical.
there is no real comparison, in overlooking is, the basics and such, it looks famillier, but collins had a totaly different direction in mind that gerry adams lol
What are you laughing at? Is this a game to you? playing Irish Republican in Cork. No game where i live and we rarely laugh when we talk politics. I wonder if Collins was a man from Leitrim would you have the same devotion. Its because of Republicans like you voting for the Free State that we have the Crown Forces in Ulster. If you going to knock the Republican leadership for taking the steps they did. Then be a man and knock Collins&Co for accepting British rule in Ulster.
collins dident accept british rule, as soon as he ''accepted it'' he was out ploting against it, arming the IRA in the north (who supriseingly favored the treaty, and keeping them quite in the south as not to ruin to Northsn plans).
Your ona bout the war in the north of ireland. That isent a ''civil war'' its a war against the native irish and the forgein settlers and the british invaders.
The British refuse to leave northern Ireland. Also british ancestors still remain there and appose a united ireland by arms, they were put there on lands taken from the native irish.
one part i dont understand is the assumption that the people in ulster supported the treaty. This clearly dosnt take into account the nationalist population. Why would they accept being left high n dry. I didnt even think the people of the north had a vote about the treaty.
It might come as a shock, but the northern IRA actualy supported the treaty, even in the civil war. Because they believed it was a stepping stone to totaly freedom as collins put it. But collins died before his plans could be acted upon.
Cheers Thuglordrpt. Its a part of history i hate(civil war) and the fact we dont know all the facts is frustrating. Always the british way to divide and conquer.
Up until the treaty collins seemed to do everything he could for one ireland. whatever happened while he was in britain discussing with the brits we will never know, but it definitely changed what seemed to be a long time ambition of his for one ireland. he knew a lot of his comrades would not accept the treaty and also that he would probably die because of it, so why do it? why risk civil war with your friends and comrades rather than fight the real enemy? what was it all about?
mabye he believed everyone was tired of the war, as victory was never fully assured. He knew the possibilities and i think he just hoped people would see it as he did. He also though NI wouldent last very long, so mabye he hoped as soon as NI fell apart, that by then people would see it was worth it?? We can never knew fully, for he said himself ''anything but a divided ireland'' yet a few years later thats what he settled for.
i was gonna use this on a paper im writing on the war for school, but your one way view is too risky to take for facts you should remake this and tell it from both sides, and you calling anyone who disagrees with you an idiot destroys your credibility. other than that its a nice video the music and middle speach were exelent
actualy i strongly agree with you lol never ever used a biased source lol i guess without knowing it i gave my opinion throughout the video. But i hope you find it a bit helpful anyway, and goodluck on your paper!!
im going to be controversal and say michael collins had good pr. and was on a personal level probably much more likeable than de valera fine gael have hijacked collins memory his personal views were closer to fianna fail or sein feins than fine gaels
the pro treaty side got what they wanted a irish free state not a 32 socalist democratic
republic, while catholic in belfast were left to be slaughtered in the belfast pograms of 1920 till 22 shame on the free state scum who hung brave republicans and used british weaponary to kill these gallent men , god rest cathal brugha , joe mc kelvey and liam mellows and all the otherswho gave there lives to break the english connection .
I am English. I salute the heroes who fought and died for Irelands freedom whatever side they ended up on, and curse the evil British leaders who diseased Ireland with their greed. I am proud to be English, but not proud of what some who were in power did to Ireland; a land whose advanced culture and civilisation was eroded by its neighbour over hundreds of years. Whatever you think of the divided brothers after the treaty - none of them were as bad as the foreigners who enslaved their land.
all information 100% historically accurate is it? this is a one sided pro-republican piece of propaganda!! Michael Collins was a hero and Develara was a scheming cad who wanted Collins out of the way because he was more popular than him. his Limerick raised maths teacher went on to dominate Ireland for generations after. when people like Collins had done all the work and given their lives. the pro-treaty side gave us what we have today!!
De Valera loved his country and his people. He let himself be called a coward by the Allies in the second world war to spare his people the horror of war after centuries of fighting foe their homeland. He bravely fought during the Easter Rising and became famoous for the fight his company put up against the Britsh forces. He gladly risked his life for his country. Collins and De Valera were both right and both wrong about the Treaty; accept it!
Far be it from you to label one of our Easter Rising veterans as a coward; a man who was the last of the rebel leaders to surrender in April 1916. He was willing to die for the liberty of his countrymen and only for his American birth he would have been one of the martyrs alongside his executed comrades. De Valera believed he was marching to his death; believing that his sacrifice would reap a new era for Republicanism. How can you call him a coward?
You say these things without any attempt to justify them. De Valera was no traitor, he dedicated his life to Ireland and the Irish people. If you want traitors take a look at some of the Irishmen who sucked the financial benefits of the Celtic Tiger dry and spat on the ideals of 1916 by openly eroding the strong Irish identity into an image of a money-hungry businessman who would tramp over the tricolour for a euro.
if you think im on youtube to convince stupid people complex things that they could never grasp, youve got another thing coming. You can read cant you?? Ive already suggested a book. Oh and your getting freestaters mixed up with republicans, and in truth, collins was a freestater on paper, he was a republican at heart, thats why he armed the northern IRA, and let a fire bomb campign AND killed lord wilson, and at the 4 courts he orderd bombs to hit the edges, thats why noone died in the shellin.
collins died a brit
ProvosAttYourDoor 5 months ago
It's from a live Wolfe Tones album. Not Eamon De Valera. They often read the speech before going into "A Nation Once Again."
Nd179 11 months ago
dont know where you got the notion that your upload is 100% accurate.i think you need to study our history a little more thoroughly..here are a couple of examples!! no mention of election that gave approval by a margin of 85% approval of treaty.this was not accepted anti treaty leaders thus civil war.. collins was not shot by ricochet .
jimmyriddle100 1 year ago
I'm not a hundred percent but I think the person talking is Eamon De Valera
BigT61588 1 year ago
I Think the person talking is Eamon De Valera
BigT61588 1 year ago
There is no Irish republic until the whole island is free as specified in the proclamation of the Irish republic and read out by pearse on the steps of the gpo 94 years ago so until then u are flying the wrong flag and using the wrong name. A derrybhoy
bigbadbrainz 1 year ago
Saddest chapter in an already blood soaked history.
Freshhhhh1982 1 year ago
the pro treaty left us in ulster 2 die!
jdxv7 1 year ago
@jdxv7.....so right you are. The Free Staters led by Collins divided this island and left the North to the mercy of autonomous British forces and blood-thirsty Unionist gangs and militias. It should have been complete freedom or nothing at all...,it was dreadful act of betrayal by Collins to sign such a flawed Treaty and abandon the ideals of the 1916 Proclamation. Tíocfaidh ár lá....from a Kerry republican.
danceflooroddities 1 year ago
My entire commendation just disappeared!!!
I love your work. I appreciate your sharing the results with us. I implore you to continue.
Many, many thanks.
evt1new 1 year ago
God could you at the very least gone through some sort of spell check before you uploaded the video , the punctuation is terrible
sgoodman111 1 year ago
could you not understand what the words ment with a a few typos??? i dont know who is worse, you or me!
Thuglordrpt 1 year ago
@Thuglordrpt If you can't make yourself understood, what use is your message? Edjit! There, understand?
NickDanger0001 1 year ago
@Thuglordrpt Learn to spell and capitalise, if you're going to post vids with text.
oisinparis 1 year ago
@Thuglordrpt You only misspelled two words...but grammatically, you failed completely :-) Good vid.
Microglia1 5 months ago
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ireland2day 2 years ago
77 brave anti treaty men rip
Naoighiallach379 2 years ago 2
I thought you said it was 100% historically accurate. De Valera went to London in 1921 to set the foundations for later talks. Not 1922 as you've stated. There is no historical evidence saying Churchill wanted to "re-invade" Ireland. Chruchill was sympathetic to the Unionists and was allowing to hear Carson's approach. And to say that Collins did what was best for Ireland is not historically accurate and can be deemed biased.
I expected better from this video. Also Grammar is poor.
MrBunnieman 2 years ago
If Cathal Brugha had lived, there would have been no treaty and no partition. He was the best of them all.
daver852 2 years ago
@daver852 cathal brugha? he was a joke. he allowed his vanity and jealousy of collins get the better of him. and partition had been agreed on prior to the treaty.
rory198 2 years ago
Rory, you have been watching too many Neil Jordan movies. "Partition had been agreed upon prior to the treaty." Agreed upon by whom? Not the Irish government.
Brugha was not "jealous" of Collins. He was angry with him, first for subverting his authority as Minister of Defense, and secondly for negotiating a treaty that he regarded as a betrayal of the Irish people. Read the debates in the Dail -they're available online. By any standard, Brugha was a far better man than Collins.
daver852 2 years ago
@daver852 most historians could tell you brugha had a certain level of envy of collins which often clouded his judgement. not only had partition been agree upon but it was in effect. NI had separate home rule since gov. of ireland act 1920. also dev drew up his own treaty which included partition but not the oath. so there you have it.
rory198 2 years ago
Dev Knew what he was doing by sending Collins and Co, he knew they would get what he was offered, so, in reality, he set them up, knowing a civil war would start.
what have we now?. LISBON TREATY!!!. is that what our forefathers and mothers died for?.
I think not, to much greed in all goverments now.
itsjustmacker 2 years ago
@itsjustmacker i think our forefathers fought for us to be able to decide whether we wanted the lisbon treaty.
rory198 2 years ago
@rory198, our ANTI TREATY forefathers would be turning in there graves with what is happening today in Ireland, now we have SF with another treaty, GOD BLESS ALL ANTI TREATY PEOPLE.
itsjustmacker 2 years ago
god bless the anti treaty men,
sean1920moylan 2 years ago
I'll never pledge to the King, or Queen, or Monarchy. Never. They can just shoot me.
Rentonboyo 2 years ago 2
@Rentonboyo thats a very irrational and immature stance. at the end of the day theyre only words.
rory198 2 years ago
The Irish Civil War was one of the many conflicts that followed in the wake of the First World War. By the standards of the 'Great War' it was very small indeed; roughly 3,000 deaths were inflicted over a period of eleven months, probably less than the average casualties suffered on the Western Front during a quiet week At the same time,a very tragic time in Ireland...
Nice song by the way
FreedomSaoirse 2 years ago
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That "were all out of bullets" excuse is a load of shite. The war of independence was growing more successful and efficient as each day went on. Right before the truce a shipload of thompson m1 sub machine guns were on the way in, guns america used as one of there first choice weapons a whole 20 years later.
fatherted101 2 years ago
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Its a pity the video gets it wrong, as such there was no oath of loyalty to thr british monarch, the pledge of allegancedid not appear only a pledge to be faithful to the king as part of the a common citizenship of the Commonwealth
sandyrow100 2 years ago
yes, pledge to the king = pledge to the monarch, another symbolic reason the IRA did not accept the treaty. Dev eventually accepted it but put the bible to one side. check it up and youll see a chara.
Thuglordrpt 2 years ago
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Say no to Lisbon and the Rothschild NWO.
reddwarfski 2 years ago
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I am sad to announce the DEATH of IRISH NATIONALISM,INDEPENDENCE AND SOVEREIGNTY at the age of 87 YEARS. Due to terminal Lisbon Treatyism and of humiliation of being told for a 2ND time that in a referendum the Irish people got it WRONG YET AGAIN. A coffin with a copy of the Irish Constitution should be buried at the same time as the signing of the Lisbon Treaty. Is there NO SHAME,people died for what the politicians are giving away. SOVEREIGNTY is like VIRGINITY once its gone its gone
sandyrow100 2 years ago
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GREAT!
Many Thanks!
grummeper 2 years ago
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if de valera was so upset at the collins treaty why did he live his life between the years of 1922-1975 in a divided ireland,a fraud and a british puppet if you ask me.
totes32 2 years ago
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Still at war, Up The RA!
red71red 2 years ago
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a very fine compilation,well put together. more please
hurraytoure 2 years ago
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Kevin O Higgins got every thing he deserved. Never under any circumstance accepted partition. all we did was set up two sectarian states one Catholic and the other a Protestant state for Protestant people
Sofaonfire350 2 years ago
Hi there.
Could you please tell me who is the person with the james connolly speech,can you get it on cd??
thanks..sensational video.
Tiocfaidharla2010 2 years ago
i downloaded that from piratebay, i forget the name of the actual album but if you type in ''irish rebel songs'' i think its in one of them. I dont know if you can get it on CD. I wish i could be more specific :( glad you liked the video ;)
Thuglordrpt 2 years ago
all good comments come on keep it up for 800 years
andyamaca11 2 years ago
Thank you for sharing this video with us. It was'nt easy for either side. God rest all of them and may they get their just reward.
mollynolan1 3 years ago
What is first song?
GTA188199 3 years ago
its called erin go bragh
Thuglordrpt 3 years ago
Thanks
GTA188199 3 years ago
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very well put togeather
dan1919breen 3 years ago
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keep up the good work young cyber worrior's... ..1916~2016.. unite and fight..
spinner1916 3 years ago
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thank god michael collins signed the treaty, other wise there would be war
beggo321 3 years ago
actualy, micheal had plans for an invasion of NI, and had orderd a firebomb campaign in NI, and assasinated Gen. henry wilson, and had armed the northern IRA. Dont worry, the IRA continues today and is rapidly riseing. Wont be much longer now and we will be free, brits and shinners out!!!!
Thuglordrpt 3 years ago
that is true micheal did have plan to take back ireland the reason he did sign the tready was so he would have a large army to invade NI.but then he was killed by some of r one from cork...
papadoc711 3 years ago
The South would not be a Republic only for the likes of the 'shinners' as you call them.
travelphotographer 3 years ago
the shinners today have NOTHING to do with the Sinn fein of back then. If anyone has legitmate claim over the title of sinn fein, its Republican Sinn Fein, not the sinn fein lead by well known informer martin mcGuiness, and gerry ''i wanna be abrit'' adams
Thuglordrpt 3 years ago
But you defend Michael Collins for giving his support for partition and you point the finger at McGuinness and Adams. Can you not see thats hypocritical.
travelphotographer 3 years ago
there is no real comparison, in overlooking is, the basics and such, it looks famillier, but collins had a totaly different direction in mind that gerry adams lol
Thuglordrpt 3 years ago
What are you laughing at? Is this a game to you? playing Irish Republican in Cork. No game where i live and we rarely laugh when we talk politics. I wonder if Collins was a man from Leitrim would you have the same devotion. Its because of Republicans like you voting for the Free State that we have the Crown Forces in Ulster. If you going to knock the Republican leadership for taking the steps they did. Then be a man and knock Collins&Co for accepting British rule in Ulster.
travelphotographer 3 years ago
collins dident accept british rule, as soon as he ''accepted it'' he was out ploting against it, arming the IRA in the north (who supriseingly favored the treaty, and keeping them quite in the south as not to ruin to Northsn plans).
Thuglordrpt 3 years ago
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Devs dirty set us back years..then the gobshiz adopted the british civil servant system ..what an enlightened gobshit
digitalpaddy 3 years ago
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Where was this war going about? I heard someting about Catholic vs Protestant is it true?
Ricardothe1337 3 years ago
Your ona bout the war in the north of ireland. That isent a ''civil war'' its a war against the native irish and the forgein settlers and the british invaders.
Thuglordrpt 3 years ago
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okay tnx
Ricardothe1337 3 years ago
collins was protestant,so na it weren't all sectarian
Bighairyfart 3 years ago
no he wasn't!
dingane 3 years ago
what was he then or do u want to play panto
Bighairyfart 3 years ago
no insult intended
Bighairyfart 3 years ago
a Catholic! look it up
dingane 3 years ago
what is stopping Ireland from being united today
fickenderbrits 3 years ago
The British refuse to leave northern Ireland. Also british ancestors still remain there and appose a united ireland by arms, they were put there on lands taken from the native irish.
Thuglordrpt 3 years ago
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Political Will and Economics. And in some cases Common Cents. You would then inherit the Welfare State of the North.
ballinameen 3 years ago
why i say this is because the nationalists never got a fair go in the north. the unionists ran a quango.
hotlips296 3 years ago
one part i dont understand is the assumption that the people in ulster supported the treaty. This clearly dosnt take into account the nationalist population. Why would they accept being left high n dry. I didnt even think the people of the north had a vote about the treaty.
hotlips296 3 years ago
It might come as a shock, but the northern IRA actualy supported the treaty, even in the civil war. Because they believed it was a stepping stone to totaly freedom as collins put it. But collins died before his plans could be acted upon.
Thuglordrpt 3 years ago
Cheers Thuglordrpt. Its a part of history i hate(civil war) and the fact we dont know all the facts is frustrating. Always the british way to divide and conquer.
hotlips296 3 years ago
Up until the treaty collins seemed to do everything he could for one ireland. whatever happened while he was in britain discussing with the brits we will never know, but it definitely changed what seemed to be a long time ambition of his for one ireland. he knew a lot of his comrades would not accept the treaty and also that he would probably die because of it, so why do it? why risk civil war with your friends and comrades rather than fight the real enemy? what was it all about?
hotlips296 3 years ago
mabye he believed everyone was tired of the war, as victory was never fully assured. He knew the possibilities and i think he just hoped people would see it as he did. He also though NI wouldent last very long, so mabye he hoped as soon as NI fell apart, that by then people would see it was worth it?? We can never knew fully, for he said himself ''anything but a divided ireland'' yet a few years later thats what he settled for.
Thuglordrpt 3 years ago
i was gonna use this on a paper im writing on the war for school, but your one way view is too risky to take for facts you should remake this and tell it from both sides, and you calling anyone who disagrees with you an idiot destroys your credibility. other than that its a nice video the music and middle speach were exelent
Maniaman213 3 years ago
actualy i strongly agree with you lol never ever used a biased source lol i guess without knowing it i gave my opinion throughout the video. But i hope you find it a bit helpful anyway, and goodluck on your paper!!
Thuglordrpt 3 years ago
thx its still very useful
Maniaman213 3 years ago
im going to be controversal and say michael collins had good pr. and was on a personal level probably much more likeable than de valera fine gael have hijacked collins memory his personal views were closer to fianna fail or sein feins than fine gaels
bouse23 3 years ago
the pro treaty side got what they wanted a irish free state not a 32 socalist democratic
republic, while catholic in belfast were left to be slaughtered in the belfast pograms of 1920 till 22 shame on the free state scum who hung brave republicans and used british weaponary to kill these gallent men , god rest cathal brugha , joe mc kelvey and liam mellows and all the otherswho gave there lives to break the english connection .
belfastandproud 3 years ago 2
I am English. I salute the heroes who fought and died for Irelands freedom whatever side they ended up on, and curse the evil British leaders who diseased Ireland with their greed. I am proud to be English, but not proud of what some who were in power did to Ireland; a land whose advanced culture and civilisation was eroded by its neighbour over hundreds of years. Whatever you think of the divided brothers after the treaty - none of them were as bad as the foreigners who enslaved their land.
spindrift1961 3 years ago
all information 100% historically accurate is it? this is a one sided pro-republican piece of propaganda!! Michael Collins was a hero and Develara was a scheming cad who wanted Collins out of the way because he was more popular than him. his Limerick raised maths teacher went on to dominate Ireland for generations after. when people like Collins had done all the work and given their lives. the pro-treaty side gave us what we have today!!
jarom676 3 years ago
De Valera loved his country and his people. He let himself be called a coward by the Allies in the second world war to spare his people the horror of war after centuries of fighting foe their homeland. He bravely fought during the Easter Rising and became famoous for the fight his company put up against the Britsh forces. He gladly risked his life for his country. Collins and De Valera were both right and both wrong about the Treaty; accept it!
nallyterrace 3 years ago
he was an crafty and excellant polititian, but a damn coward and jealous lout.
Thuglordrpt 3 years ago
Far be it from you to label one of our Easter Rising veterans as a coward; a man who was the last of the rebel leaders to surrender in April 1916. He was willing to die for the liberty of his countrymen and only for his American birth he would have been one of the martyrs alongside his executed comrades. De Valera believed he was marching to his death; believing that his sacrifice would reap a new era for Republicanism. How can you call him a coward?
nallyterrace 3 years ago
he was an amazing polititian, a traitor and a slimy cunt who couldent carry the responsibility for the treaty and had a big ego.
Thuglordrpt 3 years ago
You say these things without any attempt to justify them. De Valera was no traitor, he dedicated his life to Ireland and the Irish people. If you want traitors take a look at some of the Irishmen who sucked the financial benefits of the Celtic Tiger dry and spat on the ideals of 1916 by openly eroding the strong Irish identity into an image of a money-hungry businessman who would tramp over the tricolour for a euro.
nallyterrace 3 years ago
if you think im on youtube to convince stupid people complex things that they could never grasp, youve got another thing coming. You can read cant you?? Ive already suggested a book. Oh and your getting freestaters mixed up with republicans, and in truth, collins was a freestater on paper, he was a republican at heart, thats why he armed the northern IRA, and let a fire bomb campign AND killed lord wilson, and at the 4 courts he orderd bombs to hit the edges, thats why noone died in the shellin.
Thuglordrpt 3 years ago
thats your opinion and i have mine.
Thuglordrpt 3 years ago
good job. reading ernie o malley's books now . your film is'nt too for away.
aodhan01 3 years ago
Fuck the free state. All traitors now.
Unfortunately Collins' successors didn't share his vision, only thnk of themselves.
celtic96 3 years ago
Great video. A fantastic look at Irish History!
blunt1984 3 years ago