This guy is one of those borderline cases where trolling appears just as plausible as authenticity.
There he sits, a stereotypical looking "American" with a base cap that makes yet another attempt at attaching "trendy coolness" to Christian faith, making some of the most trite, empty, naive and boringly laughable wannabe-arguments in favor of faith.
He looks into the camera with an ambiguous expression that can be read as lighthearted smugness just as well as ...
@unclesamsnephew666 Hmm ... maybe we should start with the dictionary ... evidence: "ground for belief or disbelief..."
You don't have to agree with the evidence for it to be evidence. It is strange, however, that you are so against something that you don't even believe in.
Now, if you want to get into a discussion about how the creation declares that there is a creator, we can do that. On the other hand, if you are just here to make insults then please don't respond.
"You don't have to agree with the evidence for it to be evidence" by that logic, I suppose you accept that salad dressing is my proof that aliens exist. it is not evidence if there is nothing remotely credible about it. a book written by men does as much to prove god exists as salad dressing proves aliens exist.
I find it strange that you are so against something that you don't even believe in (atheism) either!
"creation declares that there is a creator" - circular logic.
You don't have to agree with the evidence for it to be evidence by that logic, I suppose you accept that salad dressing is my proof that aliens exist. it is not evidence if there is nothing remotely credible about it. a book written by men does as much to prove god exists as salad dressing proves aliens exist
I find it strange that you are so against something that you don't even believe in (atheism) either!
"creation declares that there is a creator" circular logic
@pastorstevenball Ok grounds for disbelief? There are no grounds to believe!!!!You can,t agree with evidence if its not there!!! Strange!!! so if someone told you lies you would side with them???
And for your last statement we must be talking about the non exsistant God of the Gaps!!! Right?
At first I thought this was a joke. But really, if you don't believe in god, HE will condemn you because HE didn't give enough proof of HIS existence. Even if you led a good life? This god is a cruel, evil bully. Peace and love to all.
Scales and tape measures aren't exactly what we had in mind. You point out the bible and 'creation' and then deliver the ooold threat of judgement. By any and every definition, god is the most powerful and concrete thing in existence, yet a wisp of vapor has more substance. Get back to us when your god can do better.
Man, watching that was a waste of over 2 mins. All you said was, there is no proof for god but believe anyway or you will go to hell. A waste of cyberspace.
If god wants us to believe in him so bad, why doesn't he just hand us proof that he exists? Why does he want us to rely on shaky hunches, theories and rumors? Most of all, why is he punishing us for wanting a little more than a book (that looks like anybody could've written) as proof that he exists?
If i believed in every book I read, I would still believe that the boogie monster lives under my bed. Now doesn't that sound crazy? yeah, thats what YOU sound like to normal people.
Be encouraged. It's good to see this. People often take issue with the sin part. I get the feeling that people feel condemned all the time. There is no condemnation is Jesus Christ. Believe in him, then turn towards his him and stop rejecting him. That's all sin is. Rejecting God. Also forgive others. His holy spirit will help you to do that. Any many more amazing things. I hope that message can be an encouragement for people, and not feel bad.
@einsteinhawkins God wants me to forgive others? Well why doesn't God do what he wants everyone else to do then, and forgive those who stayed true to their scientific beliefs, instead of torturing them for all eternity like a big bully?
@Datoberry There is NO condemnation in Jesus Christ. Just a case of believing in your heart and confessing with your mouth. The Kingdom of God is near you.
@Datoberry God forgives every single sin there is, except not believing in him.
You must be 100% perfect to get into heaven. If you're not, you're going to hell.
It doesnt matter how good or bad you are, either perfect, or you're going to hell. BUT, if you believe in Jesus Christ, he let's you into heaven, because that's why he died. He died for the sins you did, so it's like you didn't sin. He took them for you.
You stay true to God and Jesus, and have paradise for all eternity.
@Datoberry You're not punished for your sins when you die (if you believe in God) Just heaven might not be as good for you as someone who sinned a lot less.
You can go to heaven as a murderer, and you can go to heaven as a generous loving person.
What you receive won't be the same, but being last in heaven, is better than being first on earth.
actually watching that is quite funny, you pretty much said don't waste your life, don't wait until its too late, but when you die and realise that there isn't a god, the ironic thing will be that you wasted your life believing in a fiction book that was written by a load of middle eastern farmers, just naivety led to it being a world wide phenomenal
oh wow, some parts of american are so far behind modern society, i hope one day there is no need for a "god" i mean who are the most extremist religous people in the world= middle east, southern american and other tribes in africa and south american, it because your centuries behind modern society... one day you will learn that what you believed in was fiction and you only believed in it because someone told you to! naive, very naive, i mean think for yourself, dont be a sheep
Ok feel free to tell me if I am wrong but if I have committed no sins and do not believe in god. Then for my lack of belief I am condemned a sinner THUS I must believe or I will go to hell. Remembering I have done nothing wrong. So god sends the innocent to hell............100% destroying the Christian look on god. To conclude, what I am deducting from this is that god is not our savour but an overlord with a fucking sweet system to gain followers. So on the whole virtues god of Christianity I'
You entire point is based off of an invalid starting point: "if I have committed no sins..." You have sinned and so has everyone else. Therefore, your argument does nothing to the image of God. Really, it isn't even a logical way to argue.
What you should be concerned about is standing before a holy and righteous God. Why should God let you into his Heaven? His standard is perfection, you can try to be perfect (and fail) or you can let Jesus be perfect for you. Your choice!
Yeah, the usual scare tactic - Everyone is born a sinner and will burn in hell for all eternity if you don't bow down to some invisible deity and pledge your life to the evil cult you call church (ignoring the fact that we're supposed to be made in gods image, so.... god is a sinner or what?)
If your god is really such a sadistic psycho I don't want to live in his "paradise" anyway... especially when there's people like you around
@JesusMcChristus Many churches are evil, like westboro, God didn't start bad churchees, he said to spread the word of his son. It's not God's fault that people are retarded and are bad Christian's.
We are made in God's image, We aren't made God. We sin, He doesn't.
And he's not a psycho, and you absolutely do want to live there. I swear on my life you do.
Thoughts of what is in heaven haven't entered the minds of man.
And I'm not sure what you heard hell is like, but the bible says very clearly
Not his fault? He supposedly created us, remember? He gave us the gift of curiosity and then gets pissed when Adam and Eve followed their god given instincts and ate a fucking apple and condemned humanity to a life of suffering? He gave us the ability to think and then gets pissed when some people doubt his existence? To some people he gave perverted thoughts and then gets pissed when they do horrible things? God seems to be a pretty poor creator. :D
@JesusMcChristus It's pitch black, so black you feel like you're suffocating.
There's these caves you can tour in, in some state, i dont remember which one, but they have lights in there, and you go in, and they turn the lights off and it's just as dark as it is in hell. so black you feel like you can't breathe, and people have gotten lost in there, and came out crazy.
In hell, you're just as hungry and thirsty as you are on Earth, except you NEVER get it. You're hungry and thirsty to the point
Let me ask you something: I consider myself a good person - I'm compassionate and helping other people makes me happy. I give what I can to help the needy and to preserve nature (which is more than those hypocritical clergy can say about themselves). According to that little brochure (bible) of yours, I'll still end up in hell because I'm an "evil" heretic - what's YOUR opinion about this? Do you agree with the cold hearted wasy of your church?
So what are you now if I may ask? Protestant, Jehovah's witness, ...?
I'm not aware of that particular part that says celibacy is a sin, however I think it's amusing how religious people choose to ignore certain parts of their holy book. People go to churches even though Jesus said in the sermon of the mount "When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men"
That's true, you're not supposed to be like that. But a church, that isn't hypocritical, and is spreading the word and love of God, doesn't fall in that category.
There is no such thing as a church that isn't hypocritical. Organized religion is all about power, control and the almighty dollar, nothing else. According to your bible everyone is a sinner and because church is led by man it is tainted by sin.
But anyways, I agree, organized religion IS about power, control, and money, not all of it, but most of it. But those people running the churches who only care about money, will end up in hell. Jesus says that he will say to those people he never knew them.
You can't go to heaven as a serial killer who believes in jesus and doesn't care you're killing people.
But if you honestly as for God's forgiveness, you will receive mercy.
Oh, so you let pedophiles and mass murderers into your heaven if they believed in Jesus but good people with pure hearts get thrown into a lake of fire if they didn't believe in him? You can be a total bastard as long as you believe in Jesus - how convenient. Your religion is extremely cold hearted and definitely not the path to enlightenment. If Jesus (the "real" one, not the psychopath you worship) would come back, he'd be ashamed for the way his teachings had been twisted.
@JesusMcChristus Not true. I didn't say that. If you're a murderer, obviously you won't be in heaven. But if you ask for forgiveness, you absolutely will be in heaven.
And you're saying it again. Pure hearts? No such thing unless you have Jesus. Because you could live a pure life, but you still sin. So you would still end up in hell.
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” (John 14:6)
You said that Jesus was your sacrifice and believing in him will get you into heaven even if you have sinned. So Jesus only died for SOME sins? Lying is ok? What about adultery? Or murder? And is not believing in him worse than raping a child?
@JesusMcChristus Lying isn't okay, neither is adultery or murder.
The bible says that jesus is what gets you into heaven, but that doesn't mean you can go break the 10 commandments, it means be mindful of the commandments and try your best to keep them.
A common misconception is that the 10 commandments were created as rules and following them gets us into heaven.
But they were created to show that NO ONE is holy. because EVERYONE breaks them.
You are 100% alone, and on fire, and the fire doesn't give off light.
And in you're mind, you have eternal guilt.
Imagine how guilty people can feel on Earth, in hell it's soooo much worse, and all you think about is all the times you had the chance to believe, you remember every time.
AND, you KNOW what you COULD'VE had.
Let's say you really didn't want to be in heaven with God, I guarantee you'd rather be in heaven than hell.
You've been in hell? Wow, you should be on Oprah or s.th. :D
Seriously, you sure write a lot of stuff, buddy. But you're proving my point - religion is all about oppressing and controlling some dimwits by feeding them some wild theories of what is going to happen to them if they don't obey. If there were just people like you around instead of those who actually use their god given brain we'd still be paying the catholic church our hard earned money for going to heaven.
@MrJack7828 Most people believe in God and God sees that in their hearts. It takes will power not to believe. And God sees that too. I wouldn't get into judgement on whether innocent go to hell. Jesus did recognize good people, and spent a lot of time with sick minded people in order to help them. He did say that sick people don't need a doctor. Jesus only wants to bless us. Just a case of wanting that from him.
The same old scare tactics "Wait until the judgement". What judgement? Who thought up that "bogeyman" to scare the simple-minded? Oh, it's written in your book. The same book that contradicts itself repeatedly and was written decades or longer after the events it purports to represent. The book about wishing for the day when you can die and join the heavenly host. "Get a life" I suggest to you. Enjoy this earthly existence and help others to enjoy it too, as most atheists do. Don't scare others!
So typical of fanatical christians to get upset when no one believes what they are believing. FYI Pastorstevenball, i am an X-pastor. Been there and got tired of fighting gods battles for him (when he is hiding away). The Great Flood never took place. Do you honestly think Noah went to Australia to get Kangaroos or India for the Bengal Tiger or those 1000s of creatures from the Amazon - you my dear friend have been seriously mislead. When we die thats it - so stop bluffing
You are right my friend, but you know there are many things which indicate the existence of God, Jesus Himself is God in flesh, you know that, the created universe, the creation of man, very different in capabilities comparing with the creatures around, the global flood, the age of man became shorter, different languages, Israel in Egypt, Israel as a nation, the bible, the prophecies fullfilled, and the ones to come. And finally, God will rule the world in Jesus from Israel.
What kind of God burns people forever - isn't God is Love but yet we see in the Old Testament He is portrayed to be a mass murderer killing women and children - don't believe me? read your Bible
@raymin1000 An advice, if you want to understand something, you must observe it from the beginning to end and carefully, even several times, so you will have and accurate idea of that. Your hypocrisy is shown by saying: "read your bible", if you dont understand the word "read", dont comment. the bible belong to the world of reality, and super-reality, if you live fantasies, the bible will be a fantasy for you, as I see you are now.
@qbulb. So part of the bible is open to interpretation? And if you get your interpretation wrong you will burn in hell forever.... What a cruel god indeed. Why not tell his people the truth in a straight way? Why keep them guessing? No, the bible needs to be taken literally otherise it is pointless and is just opressing the less educated masses who cannot be expected to interpret the bible. In any case; how can the statement be open to interpretation? "My enemies must be killed" is pretty clear.
All statements made by all people are always subject to interpretation. Even your comments posted on youtube are subject to interpretation.
You wrote: "My enemies must be killed" - now if all we look at are those words (that you wrote) without context or attempting to correctly interpret them, then we will not really understand what you are saying. That is what you are doing with the Bible.
@pastorstevenball . Sorry mate cannot accept you argumentation. There cannot be many statements in the bible or any other book for that matter that are more clear than "My enemies must be killed". If you can just "interpret" that into something that suits the christioan community better then you can interpret anything in the bible - this leads me back to evil god. Interpret wrongly and I'll make you pay... but I love you...
@qbulb. In the New Testament Book of Luke Chapter 19 Verse 27 it is written: "But those enemies of mine who do did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me."
In reading Luke 19:27 I conclude that the writer was equating enemies with unbelievers and I am taking the meaning of this verse as a literal command to the followers of Jesus to bring his enemies (unbelievers) before him and kill them. What is your interpretation of the meaning of Luke 19:27?
@suksdn Luke 19:27 is a parable. Blindly interpreting a single verse in a parable as a literal statement is a terrible method of interpretation. Even if you do not believe you should see that.
I believe God WILL reveal Himself to those who ask Him and it will be "proof" to them. They may not be able to prove it to anyone else but for them God will be real.
Why would you want to prove that god exists? Which god? What bible are we talking about? The one that teaches us to kill all unbelievers as jesus tought us?
@suksdn ...Jesus never taught to kill any unbelievers. God's Word says "Do Not Kill" It is Muhammed and Allah that tell Muslims to kill the "infidel" (that's you and me ...unless you are Muslim). Jesus said "Love your enemies" and "Love your neighbor". Jesus went about healing the sick, feeding the hungry, making blind eyes see and deaf ears hear. Jesus only said and did good. Jesus did not come to condemn you or me. He came to die for us that we might be save if we wish it.
so you say that we cant understand physics, maths, or even universal laws accordingly since god is ...well, WAY more complicated than that and we lack the ability to use what we know to scientifically stage test which demonstrate a theory
but you are 100% fine with understanding what god wants when it comes to belief and what happens after death (something that ..well, no one has done) and gods method for sorting folks out and into what categories and treatment? just checking.
agreed...up to no Bible verses to back it up...Benny Henny, the famous bunny-selling rosconian pastor once told me the world is not as flat as my Bible. He is right. The world counts on nothing but itself grows weary and fails. Look up Isaiah 40:28-31. Those who have faith in God donot grow weary or fail. God never fails. He says YES, NO or WAIT, to answer this pastor's questions to you. To Know about how the creation shows the glory of the Lord: John 1:1-5...that is the proof in the Good Book.
@maestroaxeman Proof in the good book:???Look at how God rewards child sacrifice for Jephthah, how he arranges the killing of Job's beloved children just because Job trusted God, how God commands his people to rip little girls from the bloody arms of their murdered mothers and take them home to share with YHVH's priests, how he approves of public rape to punish people. Look at the command to practice ritualized cannibalism! What a wonderful pattern for morality!
@lizazoon amazing how you twist the words to make it suit you. Job was tormented by the devil to prove his trust in God, and in the end he was rewarded 7 times for trusting, if you finish the story, Jephthah was PUNISHED for his shortsightedness, if you finish the story. AND the people wandered in the desert for 40 years in this generation that did those horrific sins, THEY were the ones who worshipped Baal, if I remember. Show me chapter and verse in your case and I'll show in later comments.
@maestroaxeman Amazing how you twist the words to fit your belief system. I read the words the way they are. You interpret, and there is no guide for interpretation. Any intrepretation is as good or as bad as the next, . There are more then 35.000 christian denominations each with a different view of basic scripture. Why would I accept YOUR interpretation as RIGHT ???
@lizazoon Alright, alright....jeepers...don't get all defensive! I am just pointing out three things you said. I will NEVER push my beliefs on anyone...and I really don't care what superstition or belief led these people to do what they do. I am usually passive about things. Go ahead. Attack whatever "god" you persist to attack. Atheists do that. GOODBYE. AND may your life be as full as it can right now. ENJOY. AND I SAY AGAIN, GOOD BYE.
@maestroaxeman Same to you my friend And has a final remark. Yes god(if he exists) has blessed me with a lifespan,anf fulfillment, that we will most probably never reach. ENJOY GOOD BYE.
@pastorstevenball But they did gain power, at least more than they had prior to being Christians. Their faith brought them recognition in their time, gave them political clout, and gave them some measure of influence over the masses. It also neglects that fact that Christianity was organized into a "religion" by political forces later in its life once they recognized its potential (i.e. the Catholic Church, the Romans, etc.)
Your statement just isn't true. Saul had much more power before he converted to Christianity. In their time, those who were around at the onset of Christianity did not gain any clout.
@pastorstevenball My point exactly was how, for example, the catholic pope the richest most powerful men in history all because of religion. It does not matter what happened when he made up totall crap like charging money for reduced time in purgatory all for money
The pope making money is not evidence that the original disciples did. They all died and did not get money/power/etc. They died for it because they believed it.
@zt1101 just to be clear, I would agree that 'the church' charging money for things like indulgences and lots of other things is wrong and a misuse of religion. There are also those fake healer guys that charge for miracles. religion can be used to make money and get power. But it did not start out that way. It should not be used that way.
@pastorstevenball I never said the original disciples did, but I am sorry I do not believe everything that is written in a book and I do not know what really happened back then, maybe they did try for money and power, but I do not want to change your views and I know religion does alot of good but I can't just believe in it. Especially when I see kids grow up and pretty much forced to believe in this stuff and cast out by their "families" when they dont.
Moses, and he said to them, " The LORD God of Israel commands go through the camp, killing your relatives, your friends, and your neighbors." The men of the Levi tribe followed his orders, and that day they killed about three thousand men. Moses said to them, " You obeyed the LORD and did what was right, and so you will serve as his priests for the people of Israel. It was hard for you to kill your own sons and brothers, but the LORD has blessed you
Exactly my point - god can't be proven scientifically. BTW, I was raised in a fundamentalist christian family. It's all nonsense, superstition, reliance on bronze-age texts written by ignorant nomads.
Look , I was raised in a fundie family in Knoxville - buckle of the bibie belt. As a kid, I was dragged to every tongues-speaking , faith-healing charlatan tent revival that came through town. I was exposed to more "christianity' than you ever were, OK? I'm here to tell you it's all BS.! I KNOW what I saw as a kid, OK? I know I saw people being given FALSE hopes, false promises,OK? Don't tell me otherwise!!!!! You're a nice guy, but I don't believe in your god, sorry
I understand where you are coming from. It is unfortunate that some people use Christianity (or religion) to make money or get attention. There are better ways to do both.
I would also say that what you saw is not what the Bible teaches as genuine Christianity. Don't loose hope, God is out there - seek him.
@pastorstevenball you can't prove a negative. so let's ask the question a different way: what evidence do you have of an intervening deity or what evidence do you have of a design? that would be the question. because if you can't prove god in any form......then what are all of you guys doing?
First. The statement "God exists" is a positive statement. But it is not a testable statement. God is not given to the scientific method.
Second. That there is order to the creation implies that there is a design to it. It is silly to assume that all the order in the creation is due entirely to random chance.
@pastorstevenball what order? the planet only supports life some of the time, the entire universe will die of entropy, not to mention we are on a collision course with another galaxy. show me examples that you think support design.
There is order to the universe. The fact that there is order is what makes it possible for engineers and scientists to design things. We rely on the order God set in place for survival.
@pastorstevenball by order do you mean laws of physics? because that does not constitute design. we already know that there are natural processes that create even the most complex systems. have you ever seen those rings of rocks that are almost perfectly spherical and are SORTED BY ROCK SIZE??? according to you that has to be designed. but in reality the sorting and patterns just comes from the rate of melting of needle ice.
@pastorstevenball that was an analogy to show that what looks designed isn't. also i don't claim that something came from nothing. your argument is circular. what order? there is only action and reaction. the laws are different for every universe no doubt. who says something came from nothing? where did your god come from?
@pastorstevenball i want to extend the previous reply. please show evidence that something couldn't have risen from natural processes. please don't say that "god did it" because what you are saying is purely belief. your belief is used to prove your conclusions.
@pastorstevenball hahaha good one. but not the same thing. show be an example of design. something that can't arise from natural processes. when you give me one i will retort with the process and how it works then you will retort by saying the physical law that the process acts on is god at work. more than likely. but prove me wrong. surprise me.
Show me that natural process can't arise from design. It goes both ways. If I have to show design without natural process then you have to show natural process without design.
But there are some examples - like the exploding beetle.
@pastorstevenball i really like that example. first let's start off by saying that we have observed evolution in so many different species. now suppose we find something that we need to do extra research or find it hard to trace it's evolutionary line. now suppose it was designed. that would mean that most animals evolve naturally and some are designed. since evolution is already proven that is what you would have to argue.
@pastorstevenball we haven't observed large scale change of course. however we do observe speciation and viruses mutating and evolving into new viruses as well as observing the finer parts of speciation like large changes over generations in species of insects. however the largest bit of observation comes in the form of plants. the evolution of plant life is very observable. not by me or you just sitting there watching XD but by monitoring or selectively breeding them into new forms.
I wouldn't consider selectively breeding to be the same as Evolution - it is not the same as one species evolving into a different species. One species evolving into a different species has not been observed.
@pastorstevenball speciation is just that. we do observe it. when we have a changes in a population of a species by natural selection, say little changes like that population has adapted larger beaks, variation in organs ect. , that one population goes through enough genetic change that it is genetically incompatible with with the rest of the population. that means they can't breed but only with their own. new species.
@pastorstevenball i'm not dodging the challenge. the exploding beetle isn't the only beetle to carry the chemical sacs it needs. many in that same family do. they empty much of the same chemical into it's anus without exploding and the final chemical making the "bomb" effect is still in that beetle family however stored in a different organ. so transitional forms are not only possible but very likely.
@pastorstevenball I am going to offer my input here as well here you are playing dirty as do most theists. Order does not indicate god (or any other supernatural entity) and is not an argument for or against his existence. The laws of nature are also not an argument for or against god as they could exist with or without a supernatural creator. Your job, as a believer, is to demonstrate that god exists by providing evidence (any real evidence will do) or by providing an argument that....
....that shows a given event/phenomena/law/anything really either could not exist without a supernatural creator or has evidence that better supports a supernatural creator than it does any other explanation. Until you can do that, you cannot expect your arguments to convince anyone and you will have to be content saying "I believe it, but I cannot explain it and therefore cannot expect anyone else to." By offering it to us as an explanation which we should accept you open yourself to rebuke.
@pastorstevenball Order does not equal design. Remember also that the supposed order to which you refer (by which you really mean consistent adherence of observable phenomena to demonstrable rules) can be described entirely in terms of energy and matter adhering to set patterns we call laws. Finally, the statement "God exists" is not proof, but it is testable. If god exists, then we can test if that is true. In fact, it has been done several times and each time the evidence comes up negative.
@pastorstevenball Any claim made is testable. Here is what we will do. You define what you mean by god, so I have a starting point, and I will offer you some experiments that can be used to gain evidence of his/her/its existence.
Here is the trick, you have to clearly define your hypothesis (god) so that it can be tested. I need to know what you believe to be true and what you believe to be false in order to create experiments intended to falsify the claim. That is how science works. We generally set out to disprove something as much as prove it, so I need a clear definition to work from.
The god of the bible is said to answer prayer, however studies have shown that prayer is no more effective in helping the sick heal than chance alone would predict.
The god of the bible is said to have flooded the earth and killed all but two of every species. There is no evidence of this whatsoever. Were this to have happened, we would expect that genetic diversity would be substantially less than it is today.
In regards to the flood, the sheer size of such a vessel as the ark would have needed to be(not the size the bible says it was) is impossible and the food requirements for the quantity of animals could not be accommodated.
@pastorstevenball That is testing it. You obviously don't understand the nature of evidence and scientific inquiry. These are all claims, made in your book, regarding god and they have all been shown to be false in repeated testing. I don't expect to convince you of anything though, so enjoy worshiping your imaginary friend.
@L571J Testing an attribute of something does not confirm nor deny the existence of that thing.
For example, if I say "you exist" and then say "you claim to know the scientific method" and then show that you do not know the scientific method it is not evidence that you do not exist.
In the scientific method the test should be designed to test the hypothesis, not a separate hypothesis. If you want to test "God exists" you must test it, not any other attribute of God.
@pastorstevenball So you are saying then that god exists, he just does not answer prayers? If the attribute is intrinsic to the object, then testing the attribute is the same as testing the object. For instance, if you want to confirm that I exist, you can test for my heart, which is intrinsic. Answering prayer is intrinsic to god as your bible defines him, therefore it is a valid way of testing for the existence of god.
You are abusing the scientific method. At best all you could say is that you are testing attributes of God, not the existence of God.
Besides, "no" is an answer to prayer. And when you take the Bible as a whole you will see that God tells people "no" when they ask for things. So, your test would be useless unless you could know what God's answer would be before you started the test. But you can't know that ...
You have not presented any evidence. You have only claimed to have evidence, which you have never clearly stated. You have not even defined the parameters of the test when you claim has been done to get the evidence.
@pastorstevenball Okay, make up whatever you would like. I see that you are not rational and as such will not be convinced by a rational argument. That is fine. You are free to believe what you want. I appreciate how theists can always make up something new when evidence comes along that refutes their claims about god. It is a good position to be in when your imaginary friend can do anything and there is no way to prove or disprove those things.
@pastorstevenball Furthermore, we are looking to accumulate evidence, not create and end all be all test. No such test can be created. We can only create tests that help to support or refute a claim. As it stands, all evidence that I have presented refutes your claim that god exists. That is not to say that the evidence is 100%, only to say that we are building a case. When you want to offer up some evidence to the contrary, have at it. We can weigh it all and see which carries more impact.
This guy fails at 1.33 to the end "noone can prove god exists"......then claims to "know" that god exists and what even happens after death with no proof LOL LOL
Steven, why do you expect me to believe anything you say? You take all your knowledge from a book, and what your parents and ancestors believe. Think for yourself, man. Maybe you should watch some of Patcondell's videos. If he doesn't open your eyes, I suppose whenever you pass away you can float away to your pretend, supernatural, unearthly place you call heaven. You might wanna pop a few hundred xanax's before you pass, too. And maybe take a few horse tranquilizers, too. And smoke a bowl.
1 - People believe in all kinds of things that they can not prove with "hard evidence" - if you think about the things you believe you will quickly find out that proof is not necessary for belief.
2 - It is impossible to come up with a falsifiable hypothesis concerning God. Therefore the scientific method cannot be carried out.
1 Yet you have not chosen to believe in Allah, Krishna, Mithras, Apollo or Wotan...
Why is that? My guess is because of your upbringing.
2 I think it is possible, please explain where my wind-metaphore fails,
if it does not, it can be proven simply by a double-blind prayer study, which have been done, and proven that the Lord finds his principles like 'I won't be tempted' far more important than health of christians
1 - Your question was not which God, but why believe without proof. If there is a god you think rivals the God of the Bible then we can discuss it - but understand that is a new question.
2 - If you think it is possible then please provide a falsifiable hypothesis. There is no need to use your wind example if it is possible to work with the real question.
1 I wanted to point out that you are basing your decision on what seems proof to you that the god of the bible exists, because otherwise you would have just as much proof for any other god, and you would have no reason to chose to believe in the christian god.
2 If you really wish I will do so, yet I think it should be the believer, not the non-believer, who defines God; then I will think of a way to falsify the hypothesis
1 - Belief in the God of the Bible is not the same as any other God. If you want to pick an alternate god we can have that discussion.
2 - God is defined by the Bible, not me or you. My request is for you to come up with a falsifiable hypothesis, not to falsify the hypothesis. I don't think you can come up with a falsifiable hypothesis for God. That is why God cannot be proven; because God is not given to the scientific method.
2 The reason I asked you to define him is that almost no christians agree on who God is, I'm pretty sure the bible defines God as:
an ultimatly intelligent, infinitly complex being who has existed for ever, and will exist for ever, who loves all people as sees them as his children.
We have no reason to believe that any eyewitnesses ever wrote about the miracles of Jesus, though I agree that some deluded Rabi will have lived in the area at the time.
The same is true about Krishna; his life and existance have been written down as historical fact, but we both agree that it is not fact.
2 I've just provided the hypothesis, I would like you to aknowledge it is a fitting one before I prove that it is falsifiable.
the hypothesis is that such an infinte intelligence exists
You seem to accept it though, so I shall continue:
God makes clear that he blesses his followers;
so one could see whether, statistically, a smaller percentage christians of christians dies because of natural phenomena than other people; this is not the case.
There have been double-blind studies testing the affect of prayer; there seems to be none.
I still don't see a hypothesis about the existence of God. Please, state your hypothesis. Just one post with one hypothesis.
Remember we are talking about the existence of God - not about God's intelligence or about the life expectancy of Christians, but about the existence of God.
After you provide a hypothesis about the existence of God, then we can see if your hypothesis is actually falsifiable.
"God exists" is an oxymoron.
OneParticleCharged 2 months ago
This guy is one of those borderline cases where trolling appears just as plausible as authenticity.
There he sits, a stereotypical looking "American" with a base cap that makes yet another attempt at attaching "trendy coolness" to Christian faith, making some of the most trite, empty, naive and boringly laughable wannabe-arguments in favor of faith.
He looks into the camera with an ambiguous expression that can be read as lighthearted smugness just as well as ...
twooffour 3 months ago
@twooffour
.. an ironical smirk trying HARD not to burst out in laughter.
I don't even know wh-
twooffour 3 months ago
No i didnt think you could prove god exists but maybe I thought you were deluded enough to think you could
TheEarthFirst 3 months ago
6. Believe in me! heh. I really do exist. I laugh too when people ask me for proof of Zeus. Those poor deluded idiots.
allyc1965 3 months ago
I can't tell if this is satire or if this guy is an Idiot?
kevyk135 4 months ago
and when you die you won't exist anymore thus me not being able to prove my point that "god" "he" "it" doesn't exist
th3m8ngtree 4 months ago
you call...
"see the way the creation declares the glory of the lord"
(those are words a mental patient might string together)
and
the bible (aka the "humanity enslavement manual" which was written by men)
..."evidence" you "can point to?"
neither of those are evidence.
and your claim to know what "he" wants is the kind of vain arrogance that warranted a good smiting in the old testament.
unclesamsnephew666 4 months ago
@unclesamsnephew666 Hmm ... maybe we should start with the dictionary ... evidence: "ground for belief or disbelief..."
You don't have to agree with the evidence for it to be evidence. It is strange, however, that you are so against something that you don't even believe in.
Now, if you want to get into a discussion about how the creation declares that there is a creator, we can do that. On the other hand, if you are just here to make insults then please don't respond.
pastorstevenball 4 months ago
@pastorstevenball
"You don't have to agree with the evidence for it to be evidence" by that logic, I suppose you accept that salad dressing is my proof that aliens exist. it is not evidence if there is nothing remotely credible about it. a book written by men does as much to prove god exists as salad dressing proves aliens exist.
I find it strange that you are so against something that you don't even believe in (atheism) either!
"creation declares that there is a creator" - circular logic.
unclesamsnephew666 4 months ago
@unclesamsnephew666 "salad dressing is my proof that aliens exists" - you are mixing proof with evidence; they are entirely different.
My logic is not circular - if you prefer I can rephrase it as "the cosmos declare that there is a creator."
pastorstevenball 4 months ago
@pastorstevenball
You don't have to agree with the evidence for it to be evidence by that logic, I suppose you accept that salad dressing is my proof that aliens exist. it is not evidence if there is nothing remotely credible about it. a book written by men does as much to prove god exists as salad dressing proves aliens exist
I find it strange that you are so against something that you don't even believe in (atheism) either!
"creation declares that there is a creator" circular logic
unclesamsnephew666 4 months ago
@pastorstevenball Ok grounds for disbelief? There are no grounds to believe!!!!You can,t agree with evidence if its not there!!! Strange!!! so if someone told you lies you would side with them???
And for your last statement we must be talking about the non exsistant God of the Gaps!!! Right?
boslembeast1 4 months ago
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At first I thought this was a joke. But really, if you don't believe in god, HE will condemn you because HE didn't give enough proof of HIS existence. Even if you led a good life? This god is a cruel, evil bully. Peace and love to all.
KevJJ888 4 months ago
Scales and tape measures aren't exactly what we had in mind. You point out the bible and 'creation' and then deliver the ooold threat of judgement. By any and every definition, god is the most powerful and concrete thing in existence, yet a wisp of vapor has more substance. Get back to us when your god can do better.
fdasherv 4 months ago
Man, watching that was a waste of over 2 mins. All you said was, there is no proof for god but believe anyway or you will go to hell. A waste of cyberspace.
TheEarthFirst 5 months ago
Mark 3:29 " But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven, but is guilty of eternal sin."
I deny the existence of the holy spirit. I just committed the unforgivable sin.
What do Christians recommend for me now?
Heathensrule 5 months ago
Wow.
Its0mar 5 months ago
brainwashed.
ga18homes 5 months ago
Couldn't of said it better myself. :) God bless
ilovebdowl11 5 months ago
You cannot measure or objectively describe god, yet you refer to him with a male pronoun? He? Isn't that a bit silly?
instigatetherole 6 months ago
@instigatetherole God refers to himself in the masculine, it would be silly to do otherwise.
pastorstevenball 6 months ago
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@pastorstevenball You're saying god has a penis?
instigatetherole 6 months ago
If god wants us to believe in him so bad, why doesn't he just hand us proof that he exists? Why does he want us to rely on shaky hunches, theories and rumors? Most of all, why is he punishing us for wanting a little more than a book (that looks like anybody could've written) as proof that he exists?
If i believed in every book I read, I would still believe that the boogie monster lives under my bed. Now doesn't that sound crazy? yeah, thats what YOU sound like to normal people.
Datoberry 6 months ago
if i cant belive in god then its his fault he should have created me a little stupider and a little more faithfull
anders092 7 months ago
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You can't prove it because there's no evidence what so ever!!!!
Magio03 7 months ago
If God is 'beyond' the scientific method then how do you know he exists?
coolioto 7 months ago
Dude i swear to false god you're more retarded then your false god
StayxXxEdge 8 months ago
@StayxXxEdge Just because he has a freaking opinion doesnt mean you have to slam him. Ass hole
bouncyoink1234 7 months ago
@bouncyoink1234 Suck my dick bro i can do as i please, and go bitch at the hundreds of others that slam this douche.
StayxXxEdge 7 months ago
@StayxXxEdge LOL.
Datoberry 6 months ago
lol. thats all.
SkelpYourHead 8 months ago
Be encouraged. It's good to see this. People often take issue with the sin part. I get the feeling that people feel condemned all the time. There is no condemnation is Jesus Christ. Believe in him, then turn towards his him and stop rejecting him. That's all sin is. Rejecting God. Also forgive others. His holy spirit will help you to do that. Any many more amazing things. I hope that message can be an encouragement for people, and not feel bad.
einsteinhawkins 9 months ago
@einsteinhawkins God wants me to forgive others? Well why doesn't God do what he wants everyone else to do then, and forgive those who stayed true to their scientific beliefs, instead of torturing them for all eternity like a big bully?
Datoberry 6 months ago
@Datoberry There is NO condemnation in Jesus Christ. Just a case of believing in your heart and confessing with your mouth. The Kingdom of God is near you.
einsteinhawkins 6 months ago
@Datoberry God forgives every single sin there is, except not believing in him.
You must be 100% perfect to get into heaven. If you're not, you're going to hell.
It doesnt matter how good or bad you are, either perfect, or you're going to hell. BUT, if you believe in Jesus Christ, he let's you into heaven, because that's why he died. He died for the sins you did, so it's like you didn't sin. He took them for you.
You stay true to God and Jesus, and have paradise for all eternity.
monsternotmikey 6 months ago
@Datoberry You're not punished for your sins when you die (if you believe in God) Just heaven might not be as good for you as someone who sinned a lot less.
You can go to heaven as a murderer, and you can go to heaven as a generous loving person.
What you receive won't be the same, but being last in heaven, is better than being first on earth.
monsternotmikey 6 months ago
actually watching that is quite funny, you pretty much said don't waste your life, don't wait until its too late, but when you die and realise that there isn't a god, the ironic thing will be that you wasted your life believing in a fiction book that was written by a load of middle eastern farmers, just naivety led to it being a world wide phenomenal
theshrews123 9 months ago
oh wow, some parts of american are so far behind modern society, i hope one day there is no need for a "god" i mean who are the most extremist religous people in the world= middle east, southern american and other tribes in africa and south american, it because your centuries behind modern society... one day you will learn that what you believed in was fiction and you only believed in it because someone told you to! naive, very naive, i mean think for yourself, dont be a sheep
theshrews123 9 months ago
honesty from a religious person you heard it here , You can't prove god exsists.
wcresponder 9 months ago
So if I don't believe your arbitrary assertion I'm going to be tortured forever? And you call me "friend"? LOL you're such a tool.
willzyx1980 9 months ago
SOAB cut off my comment what I was going to finish with is " I call BS"
MrJack7828 9 months ago
Ok feel free to tell me if I am wrong but if I have committed no sins and do not believe in god. Then for my lack of belief I am condemned a sinner THUS I must believe or I will go to hell. Remembering I have done nothing wrong. So god sends the innocent to hell............100% destroying the Christian look on god. To conclude, what I am deducting from this is that god is not our savour but an overlord with a fucking sweet system to gain followers. So on the whole virtues god of Christianity I'
MrJack7828 9 months ago 2
@MrJack7828
You entire point is based off of an invalid starting point: "if I have committed no sins..." You have sinned and so has everyone else. Therefore, your argument does nothing to the image of God. Really, it isn't even a logical way to argue.
What you should be concerned about is standing before a holy and righteous God. Why should God let you into his Heaven? His standard is perfection, you can try to be perfect (and fail) or you can let Jesus be perfect for you. Your choice!
pastorstevenball 9 months ago
@pastorstevenball
"You have sinned and so has everyone else."
Yeah, the usual scare tactic - Everyone is born a sinner and will burn in hell for all eternity if you don't bow down to some invisible deity and pledge your life to the evil cult you call church (ignoring the fact that we're supposed to be made in gods image, so.... god is a sinner or what?)
If your god is really such a sadistic psycho I don't want to live in his "paradise" anyway... especially when there's people like you around
JesusMcChristus 9 months ago
@JesusMcChristus Many churches are evil, like westboro, God didn't start bad churchees, he said to spread the word of his son. It's not God's fault that people are retarded and are bad Christian's.
We are made in God's image, We aren't made God. We sin, He doesn't.
And he's not a psycho, and you absolutely do want to live there. I swear on my life you do.
Thoughts of what is in heaven haven't entered the minds of man.
And I'm not sure what you heard hell is like, but the bible says very clearly
monsternotmikey 6 months ago
@monsternotmikey
Not his fault? He supposedly created us, remember? He gave us the gift of curiosity and then gets pissed when Adam and Eve followed their god given instincts and ate a fucking apple and condemned humanity to a life of suffering? He gave us the ability to think and then gets pissed when some people doubt his existence? To some people he gave perverted thoughts and then gets pissed when they do horrible things? God seems to be a pretty poor creator. :D
JesusMcChristus 6 months ago
@JesusMcChristus It's pitch black, so black you feel like you're suffocating.
There's these caves you can tour in, in some state, i dont remember which one, but they have lights in there, and you go in, and they turn the lights off and it's just as dark as it is in hell. so black you feel like you can't breathe, and people have gotten lost in there, and came out crazy.
In hell, you're just as hungry and thirsty as you are on Earth, except you NEVER get it. You're hungry and thirsty to the point
monsternotmikey 6 months ago
@monsternotmikey
Let me ask you something: I consider myself a good person - I'm compassionate and helping other people makes me happy. I give what I can to help the needy and to preserve nature (which is more than those hypocritical clergy can say about themselves). According to that little brochure (bible) of yours, I'll still end up in hell because I'm an "evil" heretic - what's YOUR opinion about this? Do you agree with the cold hearted wasy of your church?
JesusMcChristus 6 months ago
@JesusMcChristus It's not my church, it's the bible.
I was catholic for 16 years, and I'm not anymore. BECAUSE catholics do things that are against the bible.
You aren't allowed to pray to anyone but God, but they pray to saints and mary.
The bible says to watch out for the people who say they can't get married because they are false.
Priests say they can't get married.
You need to confess your sins to God, not the Priest.
God doesn't like repetition in prayer, and they pray hail mary 10 times.
monsternotmikey 6 months ago
@monsternotmikey
So what are you now if I may ask? Protestant, Jehovah's witness, ...?
I'm not aware of that particular part that says celibacy is a sin, however I think it's amusing how religious people choose to ignore certain parts of their holy book. People go to churches even though Jesus said in the sermon of the mount "When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men"
JesusMcChristus 6 months ago
@JesusMcChristus I am nothing, just a believer in Jesus Christ.
Christian. Simple as that.
That's true, you're not supposed to be like that. But a church, that isn't hypocritical, and is spreading the word and love of God, doesn't fall in that category.
monsternotmikey 6 months ago
@monsternotmikey
There is no such thing as a church that isn't hypocritical. Organized religion is all about power, control and the almighty dollar, nothing else. According to your bible everyone is a sinner and because church is led by man it is tainted by sin.
JesusMcChristus 6 months ago
@JesusMcChristus I responded and it didnt go through -.-
But anyways, I agree, organized religion IS about power, control, and money, not all of it, but most of it. But those people running the churches who only care about money, will end up in hell. Jesus says that he will say to those people he never knew them.
You can't go to heaven as a serial killer who believes in jesus and doesn't care you're killing people.
But if you honestly as for God's forgiveness, you will receive mercy.
monsternotmikey 6 months ago
@JesusMcChristus You're not getting it. You need to be PERFECT. NO SINS. It doesn't matter if you're a good person. You're not allowed to sin, ONCE.
BUT, Jesus was your sacrifice, SO, if you believe in him, he lets you into heaven.
He can't be a sacrifice to someone who doesn't even think he exists.
monsternotmikey 6 months ago
@monsternotmikey
Oh, so you let pedophiles and mass murderers into your heaven if they believed in Jesus but good people with pure hearts get thrown into a lake of fire if they didn't believe in him? You can be a total bastard as long as you believe in Jesus - how convenient. Your religion is extremely cold hearted and definitely not the path to enlightenment. If Jesus (the "real" one, not the psychopath you worship) would come back, he'd be ashamed for the way his teachings had been twisted.
JesusMcChristus 6 months ago
@JesusMcChristus Not true. I didn't say that. If you're a murderer, obviously you won't be in heaven. But if you ask for forgiveness, you absolutely will be in heaven.
And you're saying it again. Pure hearts? No such thing unless you have Jesus. Because you could live a pure life, but you still sin. So you would still end up in hell.
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” (John 14:6)
monsternotmikey 6 months ago
@monsternotmikey
You said that Jesus was your sacrifice and believing in him will get you into heaven even if you have sinned. So Jesus only died for SOME sins? Lying is ok? What about adultery? Or murder? And is not believing in him worse than raping a child?
JesusMcChristus 6 months ago
@JesusMcChristus Lying isn't okay, neither is adultery or murder.
The bible says that jesus is what gets you into heaven, but that doesn't mean you can go break the 10 commandments, it means be mindful of the commandments and try your best to keep them.
A common misconception is that the 10 commandments were created as rules and following them gets us into heaven.
But they were created to show that NO ONE is holy. because EVERYONE breaks them.
But as long as we try, and we believe in jesus,
monsternotmikey 6 months ago
@JesusMcChristus we're saved.
monsternotmikey 6 months ago
@JesusMcChristus where you should be dead, but you can't die.
You are 100% alone, and on fire, and the fire doesn't give off light.
And in you're mind, you have eternal guilt.
Imagine how guilty people can feel on Earth, in hell it's soooo much worse, and all you think about is all the times you had the chance to believe, you remember every time.
AND, you KNOW what you COULD'VE had.
Let's say you really didn't want to be in heaven with God, I guarantee you'd rather be in heaven than hell.
monsternotmikey 6 months ago
@monsternotmikey
You've been in hell? Wow, you should be on Oprah or s.th. :D
Seriously, you sure write a lot of stuff, buddy. But you're proving my point - religion is all about oppressing and controlling some dimwits by feeding them some wild theories of what is going to happen to them if they don't obey. If there were just people like you around instead of those who actually use their god given brain we'd still be paying the catholic church our hard earned money for going to heaven.
JesusMcChristus 6 months ago
@MrJack7828 Most people believe in God and God sees that in their hearts. It takes will power not to believe. And God sees that too. I wouldn't get into judgement on whether innocent go to hell. Jesus did recognize good people, and spent a lot of time with sick minded people in order to help them. He did say that sick people don't need a doctor. Jesus only wants to bless us. Just a case of wanting that from him.
einsteinhawkins 6 months ago
Christians should kill themselves and be with their stupid god I'll stay down here with all the hot satanic bitches
Melchesidek1 9 months ago
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Man you're so pathetic...
Laudrengen 9 months ago
The same old scare tactics "Wait until the judgement". What judgement? Who thought up that "bogeyman" to scare the simple-minded? Oh, it's written in your book. The same book that contradicts itself repeatedly and was written decades or longer after the events it purports to represent. The book about wishing for the day when you can die and join the heavenly host. "Get a life" I suggest to you. Enjoy this earthly existence and help others to enjoy it too, as most atheists do. Don't scare others!
knablim 10 months ago
I dont have an iPhone
I have an iPray =D
...im such a clever kid...
bailemcdavid626 10 months ago
So typical of fanatical christians to get upset when no one believes what they are believing. FYI Pastorstevenball, i am an X-pastor. Been there and got tired of fighting gods battles for him (when he is hiding away). The Great Flood never took place. Do you honestly think Noah went to Australia to get Kangaroos or India for the Bengal Tiger or those 1000s of creatures from the Amazon - you my dear friend have been seriously mislead. When we die thats it - so stop bluffing
raymin1000 11 months ago
You are right my friend, but you know there are many things which indicate the existence of God, Jesus Himself is God in flesh, you know that, the created universe, the creation of man, very different in capabilities comparing with the creatures around, the global flood, the age of man became shorter, different languages, Israel in Egypt, Israel as a nation, the bible, the prophecies fullfilled, and the ones to come. And finally, God will rule the world in Jesus from Israel.
JESUS is THE LORD!
xchris1800 11 months ago
@xchris1800 Amen and amen!
pastorstevenball 11 months ago
What kind of God burns people forever - isn't God is Love but yet we see in the Old Testament He is portrayed to be a mass murderer killing women and children - don't believe me? read your Bible
raymin1000 1 year ago
@raymin1000 An advice, if you want to understand something, you must observe it from the beginning to end and carefully, even several times, so you will have and accurate idea of that. Your hypocrisy is shown by saying: "read your bible", if you dont understand the word "read", dont comment. the bible belong to the world of reality, and super-reality, if you live fantasies, the bible will be a fantasy for you, as I see you are now.
xchris1800 11 months ago
Right on brother i have been a beliver my whole life and planning to. At least somebody has someone knows how to tell the truth
MrXDr3AMZx 1 year ago
Brainwashed
dtsbmx 1 year ago
@qbulb. So part of the bible is open to interpretation? And if you get your interpretation wrong you will burn in hell forever.... What a cruel god indeed. Why not tell his people the truth in a straight way? Why keep them guessing? No, the bible needs to be taken literally otherise it is pointless and is just opressing the less educated masses who cannot be expected to interpret the bible. In any case; how can the statement be open to interpretation? "My enemies must be killed" is pretty clear.
suksdn 1 year ago
@suksdn
All statements made by all people are always subject to interpretation. Even your comments posted on youtube are subject to interpretation.
You wrote: "My enemies must be killed" - now if all we look at are those words (that you wrote) without context or attempting to correctly interpret them, then we will not really understand what you are saying. That is what you are doing with the Bible.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball . Sorry mate cannot accept you argumentation. There cannot be many statements in the bible or any other book for that matter that are more clear than "My enemies must be killed". If you can just "interpret" that into something that suits the christioan community better then you can interpret anything in the bible - this leads me back to evil god. Interpret wrongly and I'll make you pay... but I love you...
suksdn 1 year ago
@qbulb. In the New Testament Book of Luke Chapter 19 Verse 27 it is written: "But those enemies of mine who do did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me."
In reading Luke 19:27 I conclude that the writer was equating enemies with unbelievers and I am taking the meaning of this verse as a literal command to the followers of Jesus to bring his enemies (unbelievers) before him and kill them. What is your interpretation of the meaning of Luke 19:27?
suksdn 1 year ago
@suksdn Luke 19:27 is a parable. Blindly interpreting a single verse in a parable as a literal statement is a terrible method of interpretation. Even if you do not believe you should see that.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
I believe God WILL reveal Himself to those who ask Him and it will be "proof" to them. They may not be able to prove it to anyone else but for them God will be real.
qbulb 1 year ago
@qbulb
Isn't that interesting. To those who believe no 'proof' is required and to those who do not no 'proof' will suffice.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
And how do you know what god thinks? Have you met him...?
suksdn 1 year ago
Why would you want to prove that god exists? Which god? What bible are we talking about? The one that teaches us to kill all unbelievers as jesus tought us?
suksdn 1 year ago
@suksdn ...Jesus never taught to kill any unbelievers. God's Word says "Do Not Kill" It is Muhammed and Allah that tell Muslims to kill the "infidel" (that's you and me ...unless you are Muslim). Jesus said "Love your enemies" and "Love your neighbor". Jesus went about healing the sick, feeding the hungry, making blind eyes see and deaf ears hear. Jesus only said and did good. Jesus did not come to condemn you or me. He came to die for us that we might be save if we wish it.
qbulb 1 year ago
so you say that we cant understand physics, maths, or even universal laws accordingly since god is ...well, WAY more complicated than that and we lack the ability to use what we know to scientifically stage test which demonstrate a theory
but you are 100% fine with understanding what god wants when it comes to belief and what happens after death (something that ..well, no one has done) and gods method for sorting folks out and into what categories and treatment? just checking.
destin325 1 year ago
@destin325
I didn't say anything about physics, etc...
The way we come to know things in the physical sciences is not applicable to God.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball Maybe thats just because he doesnt exist...?
eanielsen123 1 year ago
This is unbelievably LAME. God exists because the bible says so ? LOL
PapaJoe245 1 year ago
agreed...up to no Bible verses to back it up...Benny Henny, the famous bunny-selling rosconian pastor once told me the world is not as flat as my Bible. He is right. The world counts on nothing but itself grows weary and fails. Look up Isaiah 40:28-31. Those who have faith in God donot grow weary or fail. God never fails. He says YES, NO or WAIT, to answer this pastor's questions to you. To Know about how the creation shows the glory of the Lord: John 1:1-5...that is the proof in the Good Book.
maestroaxeman 1 year ago
@maestroaxeman Proof in the good book:???Look at how God rewards child sacrifice for Jephthah, how he arranges the killing of Job's beloved children just because Job trusted God, how God commands his people to rip little girls from the bloody arms of their murdered mothers and take them home to share with YHVH's priests, how he approves of public rape to punish people. Look at the command to practice ritualized cannibalism! What a wonderful pattern for morality!
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon amazing how you twist the words to make it suit you. Job was tormented by the devil to prove his trust in God, and in the end he was rewarded 7 times for trusting, if you finish the story, Jephthah was PUNISHED for his shortsightedness, if you finish the story. AND the people wandered in the desert for 40 years in this generation that did those horrific sins, THEY were the ones who worshipped Baal, if I remember. Show me chapter and verse in your case and I'll show in later comments.
maestroaxeman 1 year ago
@maestroaxeman Amazing how you twist the words to fit your belief system. I read the words the way they are. You interpret, and there is no guide for interpretation. Any intrepretation is as good or as bad as the next, . There are more then 35.000 christian denominations each with a different view of basic scripture. Why would I accept YOUR interpretation as RIGHT ???
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon Alright, alright....jeepers...don't get all defensive! I am just pointing out three things you said. I will NEVER push my beliefs on anyone...and I really don't care what superstition or belief led these people to do what they do. I am usually passive about things. Go ahead. Attack whatever "god" you persist to attack. Atheists do that. GOODBYE. AND may your life be as full as it can right now. ENJOY. AND I SAY AGAIN, GOOD BYE.
maestroaxeman 1 year ago
@maestroaxeman Same to you my friend And has a final remark. Yes god(if he exists) has blessed me with a lifespan,anf fulfillment, that we will most probably never reach. ENJOY GOOD BYE.
lizazoon 1 year ago
Hilarious video, keep the laughs coming!
MrChayeah 1 year ago
I dont know why people can not realize that religion has been created to gain power or money and then brainwashed to the lower generations
zt1101 1 year ago
@zt1101
your idea falls apart when you consider the fact that the original disciples of Christ did not gain money nor did they gain power ...
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball But they did gain power, at least more than they had prior to being Christians. Their faith brought them recognition in their time, gave them political clout, and gave them some measure of influence over the masses. It also neglects that fact that Christianity was organized into a "religion" by political forces later in its life once they recognized its potential (i.e. the Catholic Church, the Romans, etc.)
L571J 1 year ago
@L571J
Your statement just isn't true. Saul had much more power before he converted to Christianity. In their time, those who were around at the onset of Christianity did not gain any clout.
What happened later is a separate issue.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball My point exactly was how, for example, the catholic pope the richest most powerful men in history all because of religion. It does not matter what happened when he made up totall crap like charging money for reduced time in purgatory all for money
zt1101 1 year ago
@zt1101
The pope making money is not evidence that the original disciples did. They all died and did not get money/power/etc. They died for it because they believed it.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@zt1101 just to be clear, I would agree that 'the church' charging money for things like indulgences and lots of other things is wrong and a misuse of religion. There are also those fake healer guys that charge for miracles. religion can be used to make money and get power. But it did not start out that way. It should not be used that way.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball I never said the original disciples did, but I am sorry I do not believe everything that is written in a book and I do not know what really happened back then, maybe they did try for money and power, but I do not want to change your views and I know religion does alot of good but I can't just believe in it. Especially when I see kids grow up and pretty much forced to believe in this stuff and cast out by their "families" when they dont.
zt1101 1 year ago
@zt1101 Sorry, I assumed you saying "religion has been created" was referencing the origins of Christianity.
True Christianity never has been and never will be the same as popular Christianity. Peace.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
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zt1101 1 year ago
Delusional man is delusional.
C0nstellati0ns 1 year ago
Thebible is proof of god:Exodus 32:26
Moses, and he said to them, " The LORD God of Israel commands go through the camp, killing your relatives, your friends, and your neighbors." The men of the Levi tribe followed his orders, and that day they killed about three thousand men. Moses said to them, " You obeyed the LORD and did what was right, and so you will serve as his priests for the people of Israel. It was hard for you to kill your own sons and brothers, but the LORD has blessed you
lizazoon 1 year ago
Fail. You can't "prove" god exists. Even theists admit it's about "faith"
TheStringtheorysucks 1 year ago
@TheStringtheorysucks
Ha. If you had watched the video you would have seen that I say God cannot be scientifically proven.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball
Exactly my point - god can't be proven scientifically. BTW, I was raised in a fundamentalist christian family. It's all nonsense, superstition, reliance on bronze-age texts written by ignorant nomads.
TheStringtheorysucks 1 year ago
Pastor Steve,
Look , I was raised in a fundie family in Knoxville - buckle of the bibie belt. As a kid, I was dragged to every tongues-speaking , faith-healing charlatan tent revival that came through town. I was exposed to more "christianity' than you ever were, OK? I'm here to tell you it's all BS.! I KNOW what I saw as a kid, OK? I know I saw people being given FALSE hopes, false promises,OK? Don't tell me otherwise!!!!! You're a nice guy, but I don't believe in your god, sorry
TheStringtheorysucks 1 year ago
@TheStringtheorysucks
I understand where you are coming from. It is unfortunate that some people use Christianity (or religion) to make money or get attention. There are better ways to do both.
I would also say that what you saw is not what the Bible teaches as genuine Christianity. Don't loose hope, God is out there - seek him.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball you can't prove a negative. so let's ask the question a different way: what evidence do you have of an intervening deity or what evidence do you have of a design? that would be the question. because if you can't prove god in any form......then what are all of you guys doing?
ahhhhjjjj 1 year ago
@ahhhhjjjj
Two things.
First. The statement "God exists" is a positive statement. But it is not a testable statement. God is not given to the scientific method.
Second. That there is order to the creation implies that there is a design to it. It is silly to assume that all the order in the creation is due entirely to random chance.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball what order? the planet only supports life some of the time, the entire universe will die of entropy, not to mention we are on a collision course with another galaxy. show me examples that you think support design.
ahhhhjjjj 1 year ago
@ahhhhjjjj
There is order to the universe. The fact that there is order is what makes it possible for engineers and scientists to design things. We rely on the order God set in place for survival.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball by order do you mean laws of physics? because that does not constitute design. we already know that there are natural processes that create even the most complex systems. have you ever seen those rings of rocks that are almost perfectly spherical and are SORTED BY ROCK SIZE??? according to you that has to be designed. but in reality the sorting and patterns just comes from the rate of melting of needle ice.
ahhhhjjjj 1 year ago
@ahhhhjjjj
And the "rate of melting of needle ice" comes from laws that God set. Again, there is order. The order was decided by God.
Do you really think that everything came from nothing and just happens to make sense? If it didn't come from nothing, then where did it come from?
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball that was an analogy to show that what looks designed isn't. also i don't claim that something came from nothing. your argument is circular. what order? there is only action and reaction. the laws are different for every universe no doubt. who says something came from nothing? where did your god come from?
ahhhhjjjj 1 year ago
@ahhhhjjjj
God does not 'come from' that is part of what makes him God.
if it didn't come from nothing were did it come from?
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball i want to extend the previous reply. please show evidence that something couldn't have risen from natural processes. please don't say that "god did it" because what you are saying is purely belief. your belief is used to prove your conclusions.
ahhhhjjjj 1 year ago
@ahhhhjjjj
let me just quote one of your earlier posts ... "you can't prove a negative" ...
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball hahaha good one. but not the same thing. show be an example of design. something that can't arise from natural processes. when you give me one i will retort with the process and how it works then you will retort by saying the physical law that the process acts on is god at work. more than likely. but prove me wrong. surprise me.
ahhhhjjjj 1 year ago
@ahhhhjjjj
Show me that natural process can't arise from design. It goes both ways. If I have to show design without natural process then you have to show natural process without design.
But there are some examples - like the exploding beetle.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball i really like that example. first let's start off by saying that we have observed evolution in so many different species. now suppose we find something that we need to do extra research or find it hard to trace it's evolutionary line. now suppose it was designed. that would mean that most animals evolve naturally and some are designed. since evolution is already proven that is what you would have to argue.
ahhhhjjjj 1 year ago
@ahhhhjjjj
Evolution is claimed to take place over a very long period of time. We have not "observed" it.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball we haven't observed large scale change of course. however we do observe speciation and viruses mutating and evolving into new viruses as well as observing the finer parts of speciation like large changes over generations in species of insects. however the largest bit of observation comes in the form of plants. the evolution of plant life is very observable. not by me or you just sitting there watching XD but by monitoring or selectively breeding them into new forms.
ahhhhjjjj 1 year ago
@ahhhhjjjj
I wouldn't consider selectively breeding to be the same as Evolution - it is not the same as one species evolving into a different species. One species evolving into a different species has not been observed.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball speciation is just that. we do observe it. when we have a changes in a population of a species by natural selection, say little changes like that population has adapted larger beaks, variation in organs ect. , that one population goes through enough genetic change that it is genetically incompatible with with the rest of the population. that means they can't breed but only with their own. new species.
ahhhhjjjj 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball i'm not dodging the challenge. the exploding beetle isn't the only beetle to carry the chemical sacs it needs. many in that same family do. they empty much of the same chemical into it's anus without exploding and the final chemical making the "bomb" effect is still in that beetle family however stored in a different organ. so transitional forms are not only possible but very likely.
ahhhhjjjj 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball I am going to offer my input here as well here you are playing dirty as do most theists. Order does not indicate god (or any other supernatural entity) and is not an argument for or against his existence. The laws of nature are also not an argument for or against god as they could exist with or without a supernatural creator. Your job, as a believer, is to demonstrate that god exists by providing evidence (any real evidence will do) or by providing an argument that....
L571J 1 year ago
....that shows a given event/phenomena/law/anything really either could not exist without a supernatural creator or has evidence that better supports a supernatural creator than it does any other explanation. Until you can do that, you cannot expect your arguments to convince anyone and you will have to be content saying "I believe it, but I cannot explain it and therefore cannot expect anyone else to." By offering it to us as an explanation which we should accept you open yourself to rebuke.
L571J 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball Order does not equal design. Remember also that the supposed order to which you refer (by which you really mean consistent adherence of observable phenomena to demonstrable rules) can be described entirely in terms of energy and matter adhering to set patterns we call laws. Finally, the statement "God exists" is not proof, but it is testable. If god exists, then we can test if that is true. In fact, it has been done several times and each time the evidence comes up negative.
L571J 1 year ago
@L571J
My whole point with this is that God is not something that can be proven/disproven.
You claim that you can test "God exists." I think you are wrong. But just for kicks, what do think the test is?
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball Any claim made is testable. Here is what we will do. You define what you mean by god, so I have a starting point, and I will offer you some experiments that can be used to gain evidence of his/her/its existence.
L571J 1 year ago
@L571J
It is your claim ... you even said: "it has been done several times" ...
I am just asking you to back up your claim.
If you want my definition of God, read the Bible.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
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L571J 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball
Here is the trick, you have to clearly define your hypothesis (god) so that it can be tested. I need to know what you believe to be true and what you believe to be false in order to create experiments intended to falsify the claim. That is how science works. We generally set out to disprove something as much as prove it, so I need a clear definition to work from.
L571J 1 year ago
@L571J
My God is defined by the Bible. I claim the God of the Bible exists.
I know how science works.
You claimed that the statement "god exists" could be and has been tested. It is your claim, not mine.
You said it had already been tested.
Surely you understand that you don't need a clear definition to test God when (as you say) "it has been done several times."
Stop beating around the bush and tell us how God was tested and what the results were.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball Very well.
The god of the bible is said to answer prayer, however studies have shown that prayer is no more effective in helping the sick heal than chance alone would predict.
The god of the bible is said to have flooded the earth and killed all but two of every species. There is no evidence of this whatsoever. Were this to have happened, we would expect that genetic diversity would be substantially less than it is today.
L571J 1 year ago
@L571J
I must have missed something ... I thought you were going to give me some kind of scientific test with results.
Saying "there is no evidence" does not constitute a test or results to a test. I didn't see it.
Also, the hypothesis "God answers prayer" or "God flooded the earth" is different than "God exists."
You said the hypothesis "God exists" could be and has been tested. Please, substantiate your claim and stay on topic.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball
In regards to the flood, the sheer size of such a vessel as the ark would have needed to be(not the size the bible says it was) is impossible and the food requirements for the quantity of animals could not be accommodated.
L571J 1 year ago
@L571J
So, have you given up on "God exists" because you realize it can't be tested?
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball That is testing it. You obviously don't understand the nature of evidence and scientific inquiry. These are all claims, made in your book, regarding god and they have all been shown to be false in repeated testing. I don't expect to convince you of anything though, so enjoy worshiping your imaginary friend.
L571J 1 year ago
@L571J Testing an attribute of something does not confirm nor deny the existence of that thing.
For example, if I say "you exist" and then say "you claim to know the scientific method" and then show that you do not know the scientific method it is not evidence that you do not exist.
In the scientific method the test should be designed to test the hypothesis, not a separate hypothesis. If you want to test "God exists" you must test it, not any other attribute of God.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball So you are saying then that god exists, he just does not answer prayers? If the attribute is intrinsic to the object, then testing the attribute is the same as testing the object. For instance, if you want to confirm that I exist, you can test for my heart, which is intrinsic. Answering prayer is intrinsic to god as your bible defines him, therefore it is a valid way of testing for the existence of god.
L571J 1 year ago
@L571J
You are abusing the scientific method. At best all you could say is that you are testing attributes of God, not the existence of God.
Besides, "no" is an answer to prayer. And when you take the Bible as a whole you will see that God tells people "no" when they ask for things. So, your test would be useless unless you could know what God's answer would be before you started the test. But you can't know that ...
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@L571J
You have not presented any evidence. You have only claimed to have evidence, which you have never clearly stated. You have not even defined the parameters of the test when you claim has been done to get the evidence.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball Okay, make up whatever you would like. I see that you are not rational and as such will not be convinced by a rational argument. That is fine. You are free to believe what you want. I appreciate how theists can always make up something new when evidence comes along that refutes their claims about god. It is a good position to be in when your imaginary friend can do anything and there is no way to prove or disprove those things.
Take care.
L571J 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball Furthermore, we are looking to accumulate evidence, not create and end all be all test. No such test can be created. We can only create tests that help to support or refute a claim. As it stands, all evidence that I have presented refutes your claim that god exists. That is not to say that the evidence is 100%, only to say that we are building a case. When you want to offer up some evidence to the contrary, have at it. We can weigh it all and see which carries more impact.
L571J 1 year ago
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you cant prove God because God is a human idea.
poeticmurder911 1 year ago
This guy fails at 1.33 to the end "noone can prove god exists"......then claims to "know" that god exists and what even happens after death with no proof LOL LOL
devante11 1 year ago
"i can't prove God exists but believe in him anyways so that in case God exists you don't get sent to hell" <- your video summarized: amirite? x3
kuurina 1 year ago
Steven, why do you expect me to believe anything you say? You take all your knowledge from a book, and what your parents and ancestors believe. Think for yourself, man. Maybe you should watch some of Patcondell's videos. If he doesn't open your eyes, I suppose whenever you pass away you can float away to your pretend, supernatural, unearthly place you call heaven. You might wanna pop a few hundred xanax's before you pass, too. And maybe take a few horse tranquilizers, too. And smoke a bowl.
Kuhnfuze 1 year ago
prove that he is beyond science. you cant. you cant even prove he exists assuming he is outside of science.
TheBackcountryski 1 year ago
So should I CHOOSE to believe in all the other gods too, just to be sure?
two questions:
1 Why do you believe if you don't have hard evidence?
(That one will be easy to answer)
2 How can it be that it is impossible to prove that an interveining god exists?
And if he is not interveining, then there is no point in praising him...
To use the wind-metaphore that everyone will be familiar with; it's like saying "I can't prove it's windy because the trees aren't moving"
That means there is no wind!!!
wildsabes 1 year ago
@wildsabes
1 - People believe in all kinds of things that they can not prove with "hard evidence" - if you think about the things you believe you will quickly find out that proof is not necessary for belief.
2 - It is impossible to come up with a falsifiable hypothesis concerning God. Therefore the scientific method cannot be carried out.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball
1 Yet you have not chosen to believe in Allah, Krishna, Mithras, Apollo or Wotan...
Why is that? My guess is because of your upbringing.
2 I think it is possible, please explain where my wind-metaphore fails,
if it does not, it can be proven simply by a double-blind prayer study, which have been done, and proven that the Lord finds his principles like 'I won't be tempted' far more important than health of christians
wildsabes 1 year ago
@wildsabes
1 - Your question was not which God, but why believe without proof. If there is a god you think rivals the God of the Bible then we can discuss it - but understand that is a new question.
2 - If you think it is possible then please provide a falsifiable hypothesis. There is no need to use your wind example if it is possible to work with the real question.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball
1 I wanted to point out that you are basing your decision on what seems proof to you that the god of the bible exists, because otherwise you would have just as much proof for any other god, and you would have no reason to chose to believe in the christian god.
2 If you really wish I will do so, yet I think it should be the believer, not the non-believer, who defines God; then I will think of a way to falsify the hypothesis
wildsabes 1 year ago
@wildsabes
1 - Belief in the God of the Bible is not the same as any other God. If you want to pick an alternate god we can have that discussion.
2 - God is defined by the Bible, not me or you. My request is for you to come up with a falsifiable hypothesis, not to falsify the hypothesis. I don't think you can come up with a falsifiable hypothesis for God. That is why God cannot be proven; because God is not given to the scientific method.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball
1 Krishna
2 The reason I asked you to define him is that almost no christians agree on who God is, I'm pretty sure the bible defines God as:
an ultimatly intelligent, infinitly complex being who has existed for ever, and will exist for ever, who loves all people as sees them as his children.
wildsabes 1 year ago
@wildsabes
1 - Jesus is written of by eye witnesses, he is a historical personality. Krishna is not, he is myth.
2 - Are you going to provide a falsifiable hypothesis or not?
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball
We have no reason to believe that any eyewitnesses ever wrote about the miracles of Jesus, though I agree that some deluded Rabi will have lived in the area at the time.
The same is true about Krishna; his life and existance have been written down as historical fact, but we both agree that it is not fact.
2 I've just provided the hypothesis, I would like you to aknowledge it is a fitting one before I prove that it is falsifiable.
wildsabes 1 year ago
@wildsabes
hmm ... I saw a statement about who God is ... but I saw no hypothesis regarding God's existence?
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball
the hypothesis is that such an infinte intelligence exists
You seem to accept it though, so I shall continue:
God makes clear that he blesses his followers;
so one could see whether, statistically, a smaller percentage christians of christians dies because of natural phenomena than other people; this is not the case.
There have been double-blind studies testing the affect of prayer; there seems to be none.
Falsifying the loving God hypothesis
wildsabes 1 year ago
@wildsabes
I still don't see a hypothesis about the existence of God. Please, state your hypothesis. Just one post with one hypothesis.
Remember we are talking about the existence of God - not about God's intelligence or about the life expectancy of Christians, but about the existence of God.
After you provide a hypothesis about the existence of God, then we can see if your hypothesis is actually falsifiable.
pastorstevenball 1 year ago
@pastorstevenball Hypothesis:
God exists, and is regularly interveining in peoples lives
wildsabes 1 year ago